Why do people on here try to claim that ASSFAGGOTS are the h

>>254456659
>Why do people on here try to claim that ASSFAGGOTS are the height of skill in video games?
Anyone who says that is either baiting or has only played MOBAs

>>254456659
>that picture
10/10

There's no way in fuck I'm watching a match of dota 2 so I guess I'll just agree with you op

>>254456659

Fuck Arena Shooters. Every time a developer tries to go back to "first person shooter roots," they go back to FUCKING ARENA SHOOTERS, repetitive shit that has no level design and is just a load of shit aside from occasional boss battles.

Multiplayer is awesome in them though.

>>254457034
>arena shooters
>no level design
Doom and Quake had some of the best level design of any single player FPS ever but alright son

>>254457034
Why are you talking about SP? You are wrong anyway.

>>254457034
>Duke Nukem 3D
>Doom
>Quake
>Unreal
>Serious Sam
>Blood
>Hexen
>Heretic
>bad level design
Fucking kill yourself right now.

>>254456659
>Why do people on here try to claim that ASSFAGGOTS are the height of skill in video games?
Who even says this?

>>254456659
That image is fucking spot on about fighting games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDHAm2YcR7I

>>254457362
>>254457196

None of those are fucking arena shooters (except for Serious Sam), shitlord. Painkiller is an arena shooter. The Shadow Warrior remake is an arena shooter. Doom is a real fucking fps, with actual thought in the level design.

>>254457034
What the fuck are you talking about? Which developers?

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>>254457629
>Quake isn't an arena shooter

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>>254457772
>Quake takes place in arenas

Not the singleplayer, summer.

>>254457998
That's funny since the same maps from the single-player (e.g. E1M2) are played competitively and QuakeWorld is one of the definitive arena shooters with Q3A and UT99. Stop pretending to know what you are talking about.

>summer
oh dear

>>254457998
>doesn't know the actual definition of arena shooter
summer

>>254457629
>None of those are fucking arena shooters
kek

>shitlord
Man reddit is trying pretty hard to fit in these days

>>254457196
>doom
>good level design

Haha no, same big empty rooms with monster than corridors between those

>>254458384
And just fucking how is a shooter that doesn't take place in an arena an arena shooter? How do these words fucking work together?

>>254458223
>Painkiller and Doom are the same type of game
No, anon, you are the summer.

I don't think anyone here seriously says that.

>>254458680
>Painkiller and Doom are the same type of game
Nice strawman retard, but they are both arena shooters.

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>>254457998
>doesn't know what an arena shooter is

>>254458680
>And just fucking how is a shooter that doesn't take place in an arena an arena shooter?
I seriously hope you are trolling right now.

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>>254458680

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>>254458680
>how is a shooter that doesn't take place in an arena an arena shooter?

>>254458680
By your logic Doom is an RPG

>>254459114
So CoD is a arena shooter

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I'm so clever guys.

>>254456659
Just the level of situational awareness required for arena FPS alone puts other competitive games to shame

>>254459114
>>254459067
>>254459025
Then what the fuck is a first person shooter? Why add a name to a genre that already has a name when said genre is split? A first person shooter is a game like Doom or Quake. An Arena Shooter is a first person shooter that takes place in arenas. How the fuck did the two fucking merge?

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>>254459270
>So CoD is a arena shooter

>>254459351
>le epic reaction image

>>254456659
Why don't more games use hitsounds and bright skins?

>>254459298
This isn't even funny or clever, you could that say Dota is just clicking on creeps. Of course aiming at fast enemies in a game with three dimensions actually requires skill to do so, and is nothing like aiming on a 2D web page.

>>254459507
>muh artificial difficulty
>muh skins
>muh realism

People love to shitpost MOBAs on /v/ because they're popular and F2P, but really I fail to see any arguments on here that amount to anything more than "I don't like the game and it's different from the games I like so it's shit." Seriously the arguments I see on here can be replicated and bounced back to things like fighting games and arena shooters with ease. Just look at what OP said about how knowledge and teamwork are nothing compared to arena shooter skill. That's literally a meaningless statement and could just be inversed.

When it comes down to it. The Internationals alone has a fucking stadium of people watching it and has the biggest prize pool in competitive gaming. It takes all of Evo, which is composed of many different games, just to rival the annual tournament of a single game. It's understandable that a lot of people try out Dota and LoL, but the number of active players is insanely high and while you can probably run LoL on just about anything these days, Dota 2 requires at least basic specs so it's not like all those players are just random people playing in their school libraries.

So yeah for all the random arguments people throw out, the fact of the matter is that people have been playing Dota competitively for years and it enjoys a competitive scene that's only growing. If that's not the product of a good competitive game then I'm not sure what is.

>>254458680
This is bait, no one is this fucking dumb

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>>254459345
>A first person shooter is a game like Doom or Quake. An Arena Shooter is a first person shooter that takes place in arenas.

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>>254459656
Fuck off casual.

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>>254459345

>>254459298
My thoughts exactly, Anon.

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>>254459298
>>254459656
These threads are always great for weeding out the redditors.

>>254459345
Arena-FPS is obviously a sub-genre of FPS how fucking stupid can you possibly be.

>>254459508
That's because skill shots for the most part are not a major element in Dota 2. Should we critique Arena Shooters for lacking the ability to buy wards or for lacking random shit that's in a MOBA? No. Part of the strategy and skill in chess is not how perfectly you can place a piece in the middle of a square.

>>254459868

+1

I laffed

>>254459934
Then what the fuck happened to FPS? There's obviously different types of FPS. Doom and Quake have corridor based level design with keys and secrets, while games like Painkiller and Serious Sam are based on killing all the enemies to open the door and move on, with ARENA based level design.

These two are not the same.

I really don't know what ASSFAGGOTS is supposed to refer to.

>>254459868
>same image posted every time someone disagrees with you

>>254459951
>farming creeps isn't a major element of Dota 2
HAHAHAHAHA

>Should we critique Arena Shooters for lacking the ability to buy wards or for lacking random shit that's in a MOBA?
No because this shit requires zero skill and adds nothing to the game.

What is this picture trying to achieve anyway? Pointless elitism wont bring back Arena shooters.

>>254460195
>OPs picture

>>254460154
PK and Serious Sam are heavily based on Doom and Quake, please fuck off with your underage shitposting.

>>254459868
Sorry I don't abide by your tribalistic principles about fucking internet forums.

All the gaming subreddits are cancer though

>>254459868
>"just shut the fuck up and stop bitching about reddit"
>a negative view of 4chan
>people bitching about reddit is hating 4chan and thus proves you're from reddit?
wat?

>>254459656
I've never even been to Reddit. Is this really the only argument people can spout when their baseless statements are challenged in regards to MOBA? As for company funded tournaments, do you even know what determines if a game reaches EVO? Anything can go to EVO so long as there's enough money involved.

That's why games most people recognize as bad fighting games, such as Injustice, have made it two years in a row or even something like Killer Instinct. It's also why games like Melee, which is suddenly hip to like again, have gotten a random surge in popularity.

Meanwhile games people recognize as being extremely complex and have high skill ceilings, like Virtua Fighter, have little to no representation. And it's really not about the lack of players. If they announced the games based on merit, people good at them would show up. It's all about the money and stream money. It's no surprise that the top game at Evo is UMvC3, a game not worthy of being the top of anything.

Both arena shooters and MOBA have enthusiasts willing to argue for hours about what makes their game of choice deeper than the other, but the fact is that when it comes to an actual competitive scene of people actively exploring the game on a professional level, MOBAs destroy first person shooters of all kinds.

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>>254460154
>Then what the fuck happened to FPS? There's obviously different types of FPS.

That's what he said, yes, it is a sub-genre.

>mfw this retard

>>254460162
Aeon of Strife Styled Fortress Assault Game Going On Two Sides

dota/lol/hon/etc

>>254460254
Why arena shooters are dead?
Does someone drop a nuke or all servers went ofline?

>>254460154
Arena isn't referring to the location of the battle you retard, it's referring to competitive battles.

If this was b8, you got me m8

>>254460225
If that was the case then point and click your way to victory. The act of targetting and hitting someone in Dota for the most part is not where the skill comes into play.

>>254460410
Based on doesn't fucking mean identical. They're different games. If you'd ever have fucking played them, then you'd know that.
>>254460540
>didn't actually read
don't worry, I won't tell on you

>>254460162
Because some retard tried to coin them as ARTS like Arena RTS but it was thought to be stupid unanimously and has been called assfaggots ever since

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>>254460154

>>254460654
Because the skill cap for last-hitting is incredibly low? The fact that aiming and moving in Quake has an infinite skill ceiling doesn't change the fact that these games involve a lot of strategy which is usually what decides the outcome.

>>254460526
>MOBAs destroy FPS of all kinds

Maybe for another year or two until gurl gaymers get tired of streaming their sad attempts at playing. It's a fad genre. Arena FPS have been around and are still heavily played, just not with the mainstream vigor that MOBAs are seeing right now.

Plus people love arguing about LoL vs Dota2 so theres that

>>254460580
skill ceiling is too high
casuals think its a bad game because they get BTFO as soon as they start the tutorial

>>254461014
Arena shooters have been around and are still played just like every other game and game genre have been around and are still played, but that doesn't really mean anything. Who the fuck even cares about arena shooters in 2014? To say MOBAs are a fad and then to act like arena shooters are timeless is extremely laughable. It doesn't help that even years ago when Dota was just a mod it had a competitive scene in the same light as things like arena shooters. While it only grew, arena shooters slowly reached graveyard status.

>>254460685
Arena shooters are FPS games with an emphasis on fast movement, dodging, lots of weapons (both hitscan and projectiles), lots of enemies in SP, DM-style MP, etc. Hence most old-school shooters fit this description. Level design is dependent on the game but does not decide the genre.

>>254461284
If you say so chief. When Jessica Nigri stops cosplaying as LoL characters and people are tired of grinding and the same LoL vs Dota2 bs, it's popularity will sharply decrease.

>>254461276
>skill ceiling
Don't you mean floor?
They are fun to play, but as soon as you try it online, there will be always someone with really high skill that will kill you after just respawing.

Is really rare when you finally face people with a skill close to yours

>>254461617
git gud

>>254456659
That map is so fucking shit for duels.
It makes the gameplay so slow, and doesn't really allow for movement at all.

>>254461726
k

>>254461786
What map?

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>>254461410
Well, that's fucking stupid. The games are almost entirely different depending on the level design.

>>254456659
>stale as heck picture
>[Embed] [Embed]

0/10

>>254461884
BECAUSE GENRES HAVE DIFFERENT GAMES HOLY SHIT YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARD

>>254461884
>this stupid nigger is still stuck on the definition of arena fps and thinks arena refers to the area you fight in, not fast paced, competitively played fps

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>>254461884

>>254456659
>>quakecon grand finals
>hitscan everywhere
Tribes 2 is better than this by far

>>254461884
>depending on level design
If you import a map from Deus Ex to Quake 3, guess what genre Quake 3 will become.

>inb4 pretending

>>254461884
inb4
>merely pretending :^)

>>254462436
>not using the weapon that hits someone instantly primarily and switching to explosives for close range

Did you ever play Arena FPS much?

>>254462436
Cypher probably has the best rocket launcher in the world. Tribes is casual shit compared to CTF in Quake, especially if it's CPMA.

>>254462436
The weapons are situational you idiot, and there is usually a pretty even balance between RL/LG/RG usage.

>>254456659

>SILKY SMOOTH 10 FPS

Why the fuck would you post the YouTube version? Are you trying to make us go blind?

twitch (d o t) tv/quakecon/c/4701324

>>254462562
I'm saying shooters with primarily hitscan is inferior to Tribes for instance. (not Ascend)

>>254462565
>tribes
>worse CTF than quake
>implying twitching around hitscanning everything is better than requiring intense teamwork and base management with generators, turrets, deployables and actually aiming projectiles ahead while skiing at bullet speeds

>>254456659
Cypher fucking DUCKED a rocket?
I've always wondered why Quake even HAS a crouch key.
Insane.

>>254462665
It's 30 FPS but yeah that is pretty bad for Quake, but most /v/irgins haven't even played it so I didn't think it would matter.

>SILKY SMOOTH 50 FPS
still bad for Quake

>>254462875
>teamwork
>not casual
pls

>>254457408
Dota players mostly

I've seen them compare their game to Chess and shit

>>254459868
>post shit tier bait image
>someone responses? Post another shit tier bait image
Why are you doing this
How can you be so utterly boring
Just lift some things or play some vidya for fuck's sake

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Q3A
Pros: Great fucking game
Cons: The fans on /v/ are insufferable

>>254463049
He ducks under another one about five seconds earlier as well, this one hits behind him though so still does damage, but about 30 instead of 100.

Cypher = Neo IRL

>>254459508

I think the point is that the original image is bullshit because anyone can make a game sound difficult by spouting a bunch of it's mechanics in a verbose way, and inversely you can make any game sound like casual babby shit by oversimplifying it's mechanics and making sweeping generalizations, without actually making any legitimate argument against it.

Basically arenafags don't know anything mechanically about ASSFAGGOTS, and thus any skill it may or even may not take to play them, but still want to shit on it because "no gorillion dollar prize for muh quake".

>>254464216
Well yes, these threads are nothing but shitty bait and anyone with a shred of intelligence is going to notice that
It's still annoying because the guy that made that image is so proud of it that he makes thread with it like every few hours and posts it in every aRTS thread he can find

>>254456659
Arena FPS are a lot more about memorizing map layout than anything else

>>254464681
>aRTS

>>254466060
What's the matter, you prefer the Riot term or the totally hilarious /v/ one?

>>254463983
>Neo IRL
Pretty much.

>>254466337
MOBA is the generally used term, ASSFAGGOTS is the most accurate, aRTS is only what valvedrones use.

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>>254456659
>Why do people on here try to claim that ASSFAGGOTS are the height of skill in video games

No one claims this

>>254466546
moba is was Riot kek games pushed, dota was always called ARTS pre LoL

>>254466546
I used arts before Valve thought about making an arts
It's a shame other companies caved in and started using MOBA so that the dumb unwashed masses knew what they were talking about
ASSFAGGOTS is convoluted as fuck for the sake of making a funny joke and it's not even particularly exact for including that many fucking letters

Why do you people care about this shit so much?

>>254464216
Circlejerking arenafags that can't even play the game they circlejerk at a high skill level. What else is new? Truly the worst.

>>254467134
>Circlejerking arenafags that can't even play the game they circlejerk at a high skill level.
Nice assumptions

>>254456659
Why don't more people watch Quake? I don't even play it but that was pretty exciting too watch.

>>254468271
Because most people are turned off by the fact that they know that they will NEVER be that good, whereas being good at something like Dota appears very much possible

Why do people keep posting in these fucking threads?

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Is this more accurate?

>>254469348
Why not? Go back to your single player visual novel simulator you disgusting casual.

>>254469362
>racing games
>equal amount of skill needed as ASSFAGGOTS

>>254469743
Mario Kart will always require more skill than dota.

>>254469743
You're right, they should both be one tier higher

>>254469743
To be fair DotA 2 has more RNG than Mario Kart 8.

>>254469362
I prefer OP's

>>254468271
Because I could just load up a fucking aimbot with a railgun and play as good as any one of those shitters?

>>254471056
What's funny is that you would still probably lose.

>HURR WHY WOULD I PLAY CHESS WHEN I CAN USE A PROGRAM TO MAKE ALL THE PERFECT MOVES FOR ME

>>254471056
>using an aimbot on LAN
good luck with that

>>254471056
>having an infinite skill ceiling for mechanical execution is a bad thing because it can be exploited by cheaters

You're right anon, better keep playing your zero-skill MOBA games to be safe.

>>254456659
>Why do people on here try to claim that ASSFAGGOTS are the height of skill in video games?
To bait idiots like you

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Obligatory reminder.

>>254472696
lel

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>>254472696
that owl with naniwa's hair

>>254472846
>there are people that still think this is some quality BTFO post
It's the equivalent of pointing at someone and laughing and expecting you've just made a proper argument

OP please let your thread die already, you got a whole 130 responses

Strike Vector takes the most skill

Everyone can go home

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>MOBA
>skill

AHAHAHAHAHAHHA

This bait is stale. Try something new.

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>>254473618
>SC2
>Mature and polite community
AHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAHAHHAHHAAHAHHAHAHHAAHAHHHAHAHAHAAAAHAHHAHHAAHAHHAHAHHHAAHAHHHAHAHAHAAAAHAHHAHHAAHAHHAHAHHHAAHAHHHAHAHAHAAAAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHAAHAHHHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHAAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHAAHAHHHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHAAHAHHHAHAHAHAAAAHAHHAHHAAHAHHAHAHHAAHAHHHAHAHAHAAAAHAHHAHHAAHAHHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

>>254471281
At least Chess programs involve math. An aimbot does what? Move crosshair to player. Shoot player. Wow so much skill. And the funniest part? When you arenafags shitters pretend like your games involve anything else but mechanical aim. B-but m-muh strategy! Muh item spawn timings! I-i need to keep track of one other player!

So how do I get into arena shooters?

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>typical MOBA player

>>254457441
Yep, that's why players like Bonchan constantly lose to randoms, and why JWong gets bodied in MvC2

:^)

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>reaction to ASSFAGGOTS on ESPN

LOL

>>254473819
Oh wow. I heard EG had a ton of member outside of the FGC but I've never seen any of them.

Neat.


I heard there's a trick with Wolverine in UMvC3 involving divekick and X-Factor that all EG members are apparently able to do. Even the ones that don't play Mahvel. Got coined the "EG Special" because everything in the FGC is the X Special

>>254473819
>A player famous for BM
>Used as the standard of the community

>>254473967
They would have responded that way if it was any game though.

>>254456659
I don't think anyone claims ASSFAGGOTS are higher skill than fighters or most fps's
That being said I like both dota and unreal/quake
The two genres can coexist
This whole thread is like comparing how futbol is better than basketball
It's fucking preference, quit being a cunt

>>254473167
This is so true

>>254473825
And calculating item spawn timings isn't math?

>>254473828
quakelive is f2p and coming to steam very soon

>>254473825
And math can be done by a calculator, just like aiming can be done by an aimbot

>>254473825
>thinks math is harder than aiming
How is kindergarten?

>>254474415
I don't know, games like Quake are much closer to an actual sport since they actually require physical finesse.

>>254475541
>How is kindergarten?
I know this is hard for a retard like yourself to grasp, but math is a bit more complex than adding two numbers together.

>>254473618

>faster means it's better

MOBAS like LoL are slower than SC2, meaning that you can think about every move more, which makes it more like Chess in a way.

SC2 is for autists who just want to mash on their keyboard for 20 minutes straight while abusing the next broken proxy build.

>>254476051
How is that relevant to my post? There is nothing left in mathematics that hasn't already been solved, but there is nobody with perfect aim, or even close to it.

>>254476051
I know this is hard for a retard like yourself to grasp, but Quake is a bit more complex than shooting the enemy.

>>254476365
>comparing mathematics and rooty tooty point and shootying
unless you're doing long range sniping or crewing artillery mathematics doesn't really have a place in aiming

>>254476551
He was obviously talking about aim in FPS games you retarded sperg.

>>254475963
I don't think so simply because most of those posts were ambiguous. They mostly said competitive video games were stupid not MOBAs or RTSs are stupid. But your theory is a definite possibility because mobas are slow and dull while quake is fast.

>>254476640
Most oldschool arena shooter pros were in-shape and white whereas most MOBA pros are out-of-shape gooks.

>>254476639
First person shooters can have ballistics

>>254476874
That's for casual slow-paced modern shooters. No competitive arena shooters would have that shit, it's pretty much artificial difficulty.

>>254456659
Quake Live on Steam when?

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>there are people on /v/ right now who support ASSFAGGOTS

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>>254459756
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Major_Tournaments

Fucking eat shit, you fucking retarded. While Valve do make an gorillion dollar championship once a year, it doesn't fund all of them. The scene is alive by itself, not because of The International.

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>>254478051
No you are a fucking idiot

>>254478051
>>254478505

why you have to be so mad

is only game

>>254478569
It's not about the game, it's about some retarded valvedrone pretending that DotA 2 would still be a big e-sport if it wasn't for Valve throwing money at it and pandering to casuals

As a veteran Quake 3 tournament player and winner, this shit pains me. Playing that game for close to 10 years gave me the most unreal reflexes I could ever have imagined. Especially since all I used was the rail gun.

>>254478505
Your point? I don't get it, we all know that DotA 2 got lot of money. But it is simple incorrect to say Valve fund them all. Valve fund (and not even completely since last year) a once a year championship.

>>254478725
But that's just wrong. There are thousands of teams out there. And only those 14 which go to TI see any real money. People don't play DotA only for TI. It's not viable to most of them.

>>254478839
>Your point? I don't get it
Yeah, it was already well established that you are a complete fucking retard. Stop posting.

>>254479021
Are you actually this stupid? Do you honestly think these other tournaments would have the same prize pools if it wasn't for the Valve influence?

>>254478725
>valve is giving your summer sale money to some chinese autists

Please try to explain your feelings in ten or less words upon viewing this comment.

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>>254479247
>summer sale money

>>25447904
BTFO.

>>254479478
This actually happened?

>>254475427
>not Q3A

>>254480291
where can i buy Q3A

>>254480291
>same game with 2% of the playerbase
For what pvrpose?

>>254456659

stop with this thread please

enough is enough

>>254480713
Just play QL, it's the same thing but free. You can buy all the Quakes on steam though, was on sale during QCon.

>>254480887
I bet you wish you could downvote it huh?

>>254459868

>>254480713
Steam or pirate it
>>254480729
Is not like he'll play online a lot, after getting his shit pushed in, he'll stick with singleplayer only.

>>254480926
how do i git gud

>>254480926
>>254481047
oh and do most people play with bots to start out with?

>>254481079
Practice, like everything in life.

>>254456659
But no one says they're height of skill in videogames.
But they sure as hell take more skill and decisionmaking than shooters

>>254481079
Learn the movement
>how to strafe jump and circle jump and rocket jump
Learn the weapons
>how to aim well with the main three weapons (rocket launcher, lightning gun, rail gun) and when to use them, also how to dodge against them
Learn the maps
>what positions are good etc

I recommend playing CA at first so you can get a feel for the aim and movement, then move onto the more complex modes

>>254481169
Q3A have a single-player that introduce you to guns and maps

>>254481370
But they don't you fucking retard, you are the the exact type of ignorant elitist that OP is talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdkDjsBiO58

>>254456659
why do you keep making this thread?

Are you autistic?

>>254460225
>Farming creeps is a major element in dota.
But that's fucking wrong. Compared to all the other shit in dota, creeps are about 5% of the content.
That's like saying grapping red is the basic idea of quake

>>254456659
they all need the same amount of skill.
arena shooters have been around longer and has much more dedicated players from the past.

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>>254481186
>>254481383
>>254481435
alright thanks you guys, this seems like it'll be a fun thing to get into

>>254482089
Old dorkly was so good.

>>254481624
At least 80% of the average game time is spent farming creeps, and having more gold from creeps is usually a pretty decisive advantage

>>254481798
>they all need the same amount of skill.
False

>>254456659
cypher stronk

>>254482089
Just have fun, you can always play online with bots, someone will show up eventually.

>>254456659
post your QL profil or fuck off.

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>>254457629
those are all arena shooters shitlord

>>254460516

>reading comprehension.
nigger you just went full retard.