Lets settle this once and for all. Fallout 3 or New Vegas?

>>254449923
No, fuck off. Everyone is sick of this tired old argument.

The poles don't lie.

>>254450041
Apparently I have missed this argument. How does it usually go?

>>254450345
Everyone agrees that NV is the better game but one special shithead who prefers NV pretends he prefers 3, makes up blatantly retarded arguments, and everyone flings shit for 400 posts.

Can we just stop with strapolls

>>254450561
Thank you. I will never bring this topic up again.

HOUSE > NCR = INDEPENDENT > LEGION

let's get this shit started

>>254451091
>Want to side with Leejun
>All NCR turns hostile after the White glove quest

Fucking nice, really fucking nice

>>254451190
My biggest complaint about NV is how NCR centric it is. You really can't afford to have them as an enemy, you lose too much beneficial shit. Same goes for rolling an energy weapons character and befriending Cass but going against the Brotherhood.

>>254450561
more like people prefer Fallout 3 then Vegas shitters have to come in whenever it is mentioned and start shit with their mediocre game

you know what? Here is what I think
1.Fallout 1 and 2
2.Tactics and New Vegas
3.Fallout 3

tired of seeing this which is better thing

>>254451409
You still have the Van Graff I guess

>>254450926
http://strawpoll.me/2173633

>>254451558
Unless you befriend Cass, iirc she wanted me to wipe them out, but fuck that. There was also a bug where Gloria would never restock her supplies, but my current playthrough has a mad that seems to fix that.

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>>254451091
>house
wow congrats on worst choice possible, House is for neckbeards who love athori8ty and actually think he is some benevolent mastermind when in reality we wants to turn Vegas into his own little snowglobe then fuck off alone to Mars with his robots

Followers are objectively the best and Caesar is second since he is like a more primal aggressive version of them

>>254451091
Why would you not go Independent? You got low self esteem or somethin?

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>>254451714
It really was an intense moment ingame where you kite them fromthe top of one of the building with a sniper and Cass defending stairs

>>254451409
there is a lot of cut content and im really disappointed Modders have yet to come around to fleshing out the other factions
I have a good legion mod but it doesn't add any actual new quests or areas for them, just restores some cut content with regards to their presence in the wasteland and their soldier equipment

>>254451714
You can convince Cass to go to the NCR for justice instead of killing the Van Graff's.

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I feel like I want to like New Vegas better. The gun variety is more diverse with additions like customization, not to mention feels better than in 3. Quests are arguably better written. And the characters are more interesting. But for some reason I still prefer 3. And I can't fucking explain why.

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>Play Fallout 3 first
>By the time I get to New Vegas I'm so sick of the gameplay I can't get into it

>>254451648
You're a big guy.

>>254450102
"Antonin, is game good?"
"Of course, Piotir! We Poles would never of be lying to you!"

>>254451465
Because that's what the polls are showing.

>>254451471
Then hide or filter the threads, nerd. You don't have to see anything on this site without your consent.

We actually settled this with a poll a couple of days ago

Results out of like 2000 votes were 80% New Vegas 20% Fallout 3

>>254449923
I enjoyed both equally

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>>254452520
>2014
>/v/
>can't use the words "big" or "guy" without Bane faggots invading

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>>254452298
I feel the same, Vegas is just too busy and the world-space feels so claustrophobic but lacking proper direction

I feel like if they had finished the game it would have felt a lot better but as it is, its just really coarse and hollow as a gameworld

Fallout3 had emptiness sure but it had a proper balance between open solitude and the towering claustrophobia of ruined locations and the city itself, however the claustrophobic nature was never grating or uncomfortable as in Vegas but rather almost homely

skulking around a cramped office building or sewer in Fallout3 was intense and often rewarding both for the thrills thanks to the great soundwork, lighting and enemy placement

its not a horror game obviously and it was never scary, but it was thrilling and did startle you at times, but it balanced that out with nice little rewards, even if that is just coming out from a dank ghoul filled metro to some light bathed gate out into an amazing vista of crumbling art deco edifices surrounding a large urban square

people who say atmosphere is not a valid praise are full of shit
Vegas was jarring and cluttered
FO3 was fluid yet contained

otherwise Vegas is a great game and I love playing it, but it just feels more arcade like than FO3 does and I feel no real connection to any character I make or the world itself, I just like to fuck around

>>254453532
no need to be a hothead here

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So, is this going to be the new New Vegas thread then? The other one's about to 404

Thinking about starting a new southern Legion character with personality loosely based off of Mud. Any clothes/armor raise the Luck stat besides the Reilly's Rangers getup?

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>>254453707
>Fallout 3
>Intense

Oh boy I love pressing V everytime I see an easy to kill enemy since the combat is trash within a copypasta metro tunnel

So what's this about Obsidian not getting paid for doing New Vegas because they missed by 1% on getting a mark on metacritic? How can anyone support Bethesda after that?

>>254454276

It's laughable that any company actually uses shit like that to determine payouts. How about just setting bonuses off copies sold? At least that's real.

>>254453707

NV isn't claustrophobic so much as it is awkwardly spaced.

The central area surrounding the strip is super, SUPER packed. But off to any of the corners is just blank space full of nothing but Cazadores.

That's why everyone says NV is just brown wasteland, even though a third of the map is riverfront and another huge chunk is snowy forested mountains. Because you go to both places like once and that's it. Shit, outside of that one mutant town and four named Khans that whole third of the map was basically empty. Except for Cazadores.

Seriously they show up basically everywhere with no rhyme or reason. It's like when Obsidian ran out of time they figured "better stick more Cazadores in here" and called it a day.

>>254454462
>>254454276

Anyone got a link for this shit?

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>my modded lucky 38 suite just went bust and won't load so if I carry on this save I'll lose all my hoarded shit
>last save where I can access it to save the stuff is from 3 hours of gameplay ago without counting savescummed time

>>254454237
eh to be fair this is with iron-sights added in since I hate Vats and how shit it is at any range
otherwise my assesment is accurate for me at least

>>254453986
im going for a Crit focus build right now, energy weapons, sneak, min-maxed for high int and luck

its pretty hilarious watching entire groups vaporize
I also have a signature weapon mod and am sticking with the Laser Rifle as mine

>New Vegas landslide
YES! I KNEW /V/ HAD GOOD TASTE!

I'm playing New Vegas as we speak. How did you play /v/? Would you recommend playing the game without turning on VATS for the entire playthrough? I feel like it's an instant win button at times.

Whats the difference between FOOK and PN? Is it recommended to only have one of the two? What do?

>>254454630

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116343-Obsidian-Lost-Bonus-for-Fallout-New-Vegas-by-One-Metacritic-Point

Right here. Really sucks for Obsidian.

>>254455014
Everyone hates VATS because it was overpowered as fuck in FO3, but in NV it's pretty balanced. Just do whatever you feel like.

>>254453707

/thread

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>mfw trying mods for the first time

How did I ever play this game without Realistic Weapon Damage?

New Vegas is a better game

But Fallout 3 was what started the whole thing, you cant really top the first thing

>>254455371

>feeling a connection to the world and your character when every quest is shit and nothing makes sense in the side quests or the main storyline
>nothing you do changes the pre planned ending

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>>254454512
yea I agree, there is nothing to make me want to explore, even if i find a cool area there is nothing interesting there, no loot, few locations, no just interesting things in the worldspace there
like I remember still from FO3 finding lots of little things even far out of the way
like the crazy preacher on the speakerphone somehwere in DC who sets off nukes if you go near him
or those radio transmitters where you could follow the beeps with your radio to a little bunker nearby full of some things to grab

even the quests
yea there were less named ones but they were all well thought out and implemented not to mention fun, compared to the multitude of filler in Vegas

like the one where you have to hunt down a number of former mercs for their keys, either handing them back to the ghoul thinking nothing of it or investigating further and eventually reaching the single suit of T-51b Armour and feeling like a wasteland god after

>>254454653
This was posted earlier. Like that exact sentence.

>>254455480

Except that they did since, as you say, NV was better. So you contradict your own statement. And NV was at least a real Fallout game with the way the world worked, the endings worked, and how you could influence things. FO3 was just a Bethesda sandbox set in the Fallout 3 world. Supposedly, anyway, since all they did to make it a Fallout world was copy paste elements from the old games with no cohesive plan behind putting them there.

I didn't play NV nearly as much as 3 just because it felt more of the same. Yeah it was better, but...It was still the same? I dunno.

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fuck you blender for being so shitty

fuck you max for not exporting when I need you to


goddamn I've come so close twice only to have the armor not show up in fucking GECK, and I have no idea where Tspace is in nifskope because I guess they changed that field to something else or some shit

>>254455737

Every quest in Fallout 3 is shit. Like, it's fine to bring up the exploration and so forth since, hey, it's a Bethesda game and that's what they do. But every quest was terribly written and made no sense, or was simply boring fetch shit. The one you mentioned was a series of fetch quests.

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>>254455778
Glad to see I'm not the only one who spends all day here,

Anyone knows how No Mutants Allowed feel about New Vegas? I know that they don't consider Fallout 3 as part of the canon.

>>254449923
Damn, F3 getting BTFO

>>254451465
yea, the polls reflect this

>>254456045
>fetch quest
man fetch quests are not a bad thing if they are implemented well as they are an RPG staple

all the quests in Fallout 3 were really well done and rewarding in the end as opposed to Vegas where i go through all this shit and feel like nothing has happened or that my character is meaningless ultimately aside from one bloke or another telling me 'wow great job you saved thousands"

>>254456154
No Mutants Allowed seem to generally at least accept it. Many still feel that 1 and 2 are better but they feel it is a worthy successor to actually rather good. The only big complaints I can remember are that Legion is too black and that the game has so much missed potential thanks to being forcefully rushed out.

>>254456154

Considering the two reviews of each game they posted, I'd say it's pretty obvious.

>FO3: http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=47347

>FO:NV http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=57162

Especially considering the NV article starts with:

>Fallout 3: New Vegas is a faithful sequel to Fallout 2: New Reno.

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>>254456443
I wonder who could be behind this post

Literally the only thing FO3 did better than NV were the radio stations. President John Henry Eden and THREEEEEEEEEEE DAAAAAAAAWG were much more amusing narrators that¡n listening to Mr. New Vegas playing Johnny Guitar for the nth time. And best NV Radio Station closes shop after closing the glorious State of Utobitha.

Fallout 3 had that gritty post apocalyptic city/wasteland setting, while at the same time had an American wartimey feel to it.

New Vegas felt too bright and saturated in comparison.

>>254456443
>rewarding
oh god, there's that word again.

what in the fuck are they teaching you kids in school now? why in the hell do you think you deserve a prize now everytime you open a god damn door or talk to someone?

>>254456680
>implying hearing three dog wasnt fucking annoying after 3 hours

>>254456683
Oh fuck me not this again

>>254456443

Are you fucking KIDDING me. Name me these great quests in Fallout 3. Jesus christ man are you shilling for Bethesda or something? The questing in Fallout 3 was easily the worst part of the game, from the main storyline to the side quests.

Nothing made sense, none of them were compelling, and were often written so badly that they were a straight up detriment to the rest of the game. If you're going to praise Fallout 3 at least praise the actually good parts of the game.

>>254456443
>all the quests in Fallout 3 were really well done
Which ones? I really can't remember a single one where I felt it was rewarding. The only side quest that does anything big is blowing up Megaton and the Tenpenny tower quests. Between the two, Tenpenny is shit and Megaton is even worse with the dullest quest and one of the crappiest morals of it all. Seriously, it wasn't fun, it wasn't amazing. The number of terrible quests was ridiculously high. That said, I enjoyed Fallout 3 even if I think it is the worse than 1, 2, tactics, and NV

>>254456639
the thing is I got cool shit and bonuses for those quests rather than just caps or some junk, and you can skip all of them if you wish, but loose the rewards

>>254456680
>So you fight the Good Fight with your voice

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New Vegas is superior in every single way.

>>254450561
>http://strawpoll.me/2172659
I guess I'm just not allowed to like Fallout 3 more. Thanks.

>>254455737

What gets me the worst about exploring in New Vegas is how lopsided the difficulty spike is.

One second you're trying to claw your way through DOZENS of Cazadores to reach a doctor, desperatley holding on to every single piece of ammo and scrap of healing powder.

The next, it's a pile of Bighorners. Like maybe a couple of slightly agressive bulls, but literally nothing else.

I'm looking at the worldmap right now and literally half the map is totally BLANK. Everything west of the ski resort and east of the Fort is empty. There's like two things after you go north of Outer Vegas and that's it. Which is bullshit, because it means the map presented in game is basically half as big as it looks, and there was no acutal planned content for that space for the most part, by the looks of it.

>>254456680
Mysterious Broadcast > Radio New Vegas > Enclave > THUUUUREEEEE DAWG > that shitty country station that played half the songs from Radio New Vegas

>>254456680
I was fine with Eden on the radio but Three Dawg got grating way too fast. Doesn't help it almost seemed bug to keep on playing Butcher Pete and he kept talking about how I rescued that little boy from the ants and almost seemed to forget I did anything else. New Vegas probably did but I didn't notice as much thanks to his more subdued voice in conjunction with a radio without any narrators and the fact the bgm music, in my personal opinion, was more appealing.

>>254456683
Probably bait but that's the thing. Fallout is post-post-apoc really. And the whole entire point is moving on, rebuilding, and being very gray. Hell, the 50s wasn't even supposed to be as big in it all, I really don't mind the whole 50s thing though.

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>>254456683
>fallout
>post apocalyptic

New Vegas PS3 was a goddamn travesty...bugs everywhere and 30 hours of gameplay deleted for no reason.

Despite this, both games were pretty much the goddamn same. FO3 was my intro to the fallout universe, so I enjoyed it more.

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>>254457393
I approve.

I wish I had a good voice so I could make my own companion mod and save the Nexus with one that isn't a fat girl's desirability wish-fulfillment.

>Using Willow
>EVER

>>254455095
There's a mod that makes it so you can have both.

>>254456830
>>254456841
as i said the you gotta shoot them in the head one with the Power Armour in the end, collecting the keys and the whole journey made the payoff even better

the two superheroes battling it out with you being forced to either kill them of make them come to their senses, with different material rewards for both which is always better than useless caps

the android quest, just all the options and the choice between letting him be or going in for the rewards, not to mention again getting some nice stuff in the end
even the broken bow and laboratory where cool locations to go through

Vegas almost all the quests were bland and felt pointless

the only ones I remember being really great was protecting the president, the Repcon rocket questline, and the cannibals in the casino

>>254456830

Brotherhood of steel quests
tennpenny tower quest-line
The pit
Operation: Anchorage
Broken Steel

>>254456885
You also got experience from doing quests always. You don't need cool shit and bonuses from every mission. That's not how real life goes. Hell, sometimes you'll get no reward at all for doing something. Hell, it could inconvenience things more than anything else. And I don't get the and can skip them all, the same can be said for Fallout NV.

>>254449923
We've had this same exact thread multiple times. New Vegas always wins the poll by a landslide. Why can we never have a Fallout thread without all this fucking NV vs 3 shitposting?

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>>254457705
>playing a bethesda RPG on console

You brought this upon yourself, son. I wish they didn't get so many sales for consoles so they could focus on making their games not shitty exclusively for PC

>>254457017
After all this time I still can't understand what's everyone's gripe with this line.

>>254458017
That's because you're Bethesda's target audience.

>>254457705

Lets be honest, there are some REALLY strong elements to FO3. Not as strong as New Vegas overall, but it has it's moments.

I mean we harp on the subway but going through it for the first time sets the mood for the rest of the game. It's dark, it's grimy, it's long, and by the end you're using every single item you can get your hands on to survive. You reduce skittish players to eating dog meat and FORCE them to scavange.

It gets easier after the first time, but it's a damn effective teaching tool.

>>254457238
on top of that many fo these locations would not even be marked down in FO3

thinks like an empty farm or a random shack

and even the interesting regions like as you said the mountains and ski resort have nothing there other than one short and rather boring quest
like all the potential of having a mutant village and all you get is some quest killing those coyote snake things

or even interesting factions, there are plenty in Vegas but only the NCR gets any real attention

everything else like the Khans, the Brotherhood, the Boomers, the Followers get nothing but their related quests for getting them to side with you on the main one and its really disappointing. even the legion gets next to nothing it might as well just be the enclave

>>254457948
I am sorry, I guess. I was unaware Fo3 vs NV was a common thing. If it makes you feel better, I got the answer to my question (70% for NV) and I will never make a thread about this again. ever.

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>Debating between both games
>Not using TTW
MFW

>>254457817
>two superheroes
Completely stupid.

>android quest
It was a stupid shitty blade runner reference that doesn't even make sense in the world. Machines in Fo are supposed to be big and clunky yet somehow they have an android that is perfectly synthesized to be human. It had some cool potential, especially if the actual android changed for playthroughs but it doesn't. The rewards are cool but that's the only real staying power it has.

>>254457907
>Brotherhood of steel quests
What quests did they even hand out? Was it the ones where they make you grab some random items for the future?

>Tenpenny tower
Only remembered for how shit it is and showing how pointless Karma is

>The Pitt
Actually a good concept. The concept itself is cool and it's basically the only morally gray aspect of the game but it's rushed as hell and obviously could have been far better.

>Operation Anchorage
Amazing it's a straight up hey let's go through this one pathway as enemies come to shoot. Screw dialogue and everything else.

>Broken Steel
Stupid and didn't do much of anything significant. Hell it made your choices even less meaningful and had stupid things like blow up the brotherhood for no reason.

>>254458017
Isn't it an intelligence or speech test?

>>254458194
I just wish they'd have put it sometime like 20 or so years after FALLOUT. At least then I could somewhat get most of it. It'd require some editing but the world would make more sense.

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>>254458745
>shit
>its shit
>I only remember shit
>its shit
oh wow

>>254458194
I don't think I ever scavenged because i desperately needed supplies in fallout 3
I'd kill dudes in a room, loot them, and just check the nearby containers for healing items, just like I do in any game, OR I'd kill dudes in a room, and then sleep in the conveniently placed bed in the metro

>>254459142
on higher difficulties I scrounged a lot

>>254457907
>Operation: Anchorage
WE HEARD OUR FANS LIKE COD, SO WE TOOK FALLOUT 3 AND MADE IT COD. EPIC

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>>254459254
Thats what you get for being shit

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>>254457817
>Da Vince Quest
>Boomers Quest
>Finding the Mole
>Finding the Bomb
>Khans
>Making Boone see the light
>Arcade Gannon's quests
>Cure for Nightkin
>Nightkin killing bighorners
>Veronica's Questline

Just at the top of my head, you fucking stupid faggot. You just want a +1 Weapon at the end of a quest, you're the fucking casual audience. Plus, almost all of these quests affect the fucking storyline.

Fucking Helios. Or the fucking trench warfare. You're fucking retarded. None of your quests affect anything.

>>254459308
I still have no fucking clue why they thought that was a remotely good idea given the nature of the gameplay

neither, they are both shit

>>254459086
It's true though. The Pitt was a delightful concept, don't get me wrong. It's just more of a sense of it had so much potential and it falls flat. Tenpenny is more annoying because they say the murderer has good karma yet Daring Dashwood has neutral? I suppose I'm being too serious on Tenpenny Tower honestly. It's just the ending absolutely leaves a bitter taste. The actual effort to make people agree or not was rather entertaining. The rest I still argue aren't that amazing. Operation Anchroage was fun and Broken Steel added some good stuff (more Prime, fixing up the terrible ending even if it guilt trips you, glorious Tesla) but it ends up feeling flat. Frankly, if anything I'd say that Point Lookout deserves some mention. It's not perfect but it hits some fun themes and I rather liked the quest that went into the psyche of the main character.

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>>254459254

>>254459427
Adding DLC, all of them have their appeals and good qualities and formed a general overarching story. I also really liked seeing all those Securitrons being built, the moment I first stepped into the Strip, and the conclusion to your revenge against Benny.

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>>254459363
>>254459741
WOW 2 (too) TOUGH

>>254459624
Said you and 21 other individuals

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>>254451781
House is the only capable person of keeping Vegas intact. He saved it from the nukes and from the wasteland once the dust settled. He also has all the resources he needs to restart a large civilization that others can learn from.

>>254460491
>Implying he doesn't just want a snow globe
>Ignoring all the mentions that his lore elaborates upon how his leadership causes anarchy
>Forgetting how he was in a coma for hundreds of years not doing one thing to help
>Ignoring Freeside

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This should remove any doubt NV is better

1/2

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>>254460935
2/2

>>254459923
>getting revenge against Benny
>not intentionally letting him trap you so he can escape from New Vegas
>not then freeing him in Legions camp and wiping out Caesar and his entire army in the process
>not doing all that and then being surprised when he comes back days later and trys to kill you yet again

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>>254460491
>keep vegas intact
what's the point?
he doesn't want to and will not create any 'civilization' he wants to isolate Vegas from the world and do away with all the 'tribals' which is basically everyone
the casinos are a means to an end and once the courier does his dirtywork he really doesn't need anyone else

its like you didn't understand the point of the snow-globes. he wants to take his little isolated world and then eventually leave with just his robots into space not giving two fucks about humanity or the earth

if anything Independent is better since it is still using his resources but actually here on earth to possible create that civilization you claim

the Followers are the only ones who are actively seeking to better the world and preserve the past as well as advance into the future at a sustainable level

and again Caesar is just taking the Followers philosophy but taking it to the next step and bringing strength and order to the largely eclectic followers organization

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>>254460797
>implying every other faction wouldn't cause anarchy
>implying things got worse for New Vegas instead of simply stagnation
>not ignoring the shithole that is Freeside

Plus, who's the only one capable of stopping this menace once it reaches the Mohave?

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House is a power hungry tyrant, who will rule with an iron fist
NCR is run by greedy corrupt politicians, and it sends it's under-trained recruits to go fight the actual wars while the Veterans are protecting farm land back in Cali
Independent has the worst outcomes of all the endings, because for some reason the Courier doesn't actually do anything with his robot army, and just lets anarchy reign
Caesar's Legion enslaves, destroys, or assimilates everything

What the fuck should i choose? Independent SOUNDED the best. I thought it would just be me protecting the individual tribes/settlements with my Securitrons, and protecting their rights

>>254460797
>>254461453
he's just a huge egotist who is defeated by his own hubris
which is why fedoras love him since they are nothing but ego and hubris

seeing his weak frail body only further cemented the will of Caesar

We can agree with this though

Fallout 3 DLCs <<< Fallout NV DLC's

Shandification.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvwlt4FqmS0

It's true, and that's exactly why New Vegas is better.

>>254461565
he would do absolutely nothing but keep his little world safe while everything else dies

>>254461637
Yeah, its bullshit. NCR is the best ending but independent should have been.

>>254461264
Well that's kind of why I liked Benny. There were just so many possible ways for it to go with him.

>>254461453
Followers are cool and I like them but they are the idealist. No matter what they do, they will suffer. Caesor's isn't quite the next step though. It's a rather dramatic leap that has a lot of stupid evil aspects to it. If only Legion had gained a bit more attention.

BoS>NV>>FO3

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new vegas is better
i like f3 more
both are pretty medicore games

>>254461960
This

>>254461783
So it's better that everyone dies instead of one resourceful group?

>>254461565
If House can't beat the tunnelers, nobody can. Especially with those Securitrons.
Also:
>tunnelers can't stand light, noise
>New Vegas is full of ????

>>254461637
>Independent has the worst outcomes of all the endings, because for some reason the Courier doesn't actually do anything with his robot army, and just lets anarchy reign

"canon" aside, this is total bullshit. That ending is nothing more than a make your own story and the future of the Mojave is most likely decided on how you played through the game, not what Obsidian shit out when they ran out of time.

>>254461721
Is this really the biggest difference? I mean he basically says he likes NV more because there is a more detailed and believable world. He says nothing about which one is more fun.

>>254460935

Ah, the horrible truth of it all. I love that bit on why the animations were so terrible, especially.

>>254461565
The thing is, none of the endings are joy. House's perks are that, for the time he remains, he will continue to make new discoveries. Catch is, he's a tyrannical overlord that doesn't give a flip about humans besides them being an ends to his means. He wants to control, to have a snow globe. NCR? The NCR are barely surviving and suffer from corruption in their government. Caesar's Legion just enslaves, destroys, or assimilates and is likely to burn out once Caesor dies. As per Independent, even its flawed. It has potential that, after a certain point, probably after Yes Man finishes his upgrades, it can lead to a better world but it throws the surrounding area into anarchy for a time and is the most variable ending depending on what type of character your courier is.

>>254462031
tfw NV is still one of the best rpgs in a while.

>>254462061
How does everyone die?

>>254462316
Exactly this, Independent literally just has the biggest problem with a real ending as it depends on how you played your courier. Unless they wanted to make dozens of possible different Courier endings.

>>254462628
I was referring to
>>254461783
>he would do absolutely nothing but keep his little world safe while everything else dies

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>>254461637
the point is anarchy IS the best option because these fantasies of the old world and 'civilization' are nothing but illusions as they always have been

progress is a myth, anarchy is the best option for everyone, followed by Caesar, then nuking everything for third

>>254461692
no the Fallout 3 DLCs were by far the best, Point Lookout's quests were some of the best of the New Fallout games and the Pitt was just a really interesting location, as well as Anchorage and the Aliens were just really fun times

the Vegas ones were decent but I found BigMT kind of grating with the "LEL SCIENCE" humour and abundance of giant damage sponges, not to mention just boring landscape

the best ones were Dead money being a concise and organized adventure, and Honest Hearts for me because it was an interesting landscape and I enjoyed the characters/plot for it

>>254462861
>progress is a myth, anarchy is the best option for everyone, followed by Caesar, then nuking everything for third
Someone sure is edgy today:)

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>>254462861
I think half of the reason I liked OWB is
>Mysterious Broadcast

>>254462859
everyone would die but him and his robots, that's not any better

not to mention if the courier could stop the tunnelers they would hardly overrun the entire west

frankly House is pathetic and manipulative
he didn't deserve to rule anything and his 'progress' is just more smoke and mirrors

>>254462861
Anchorage and Zeta were absolutely terrible from a story perspective, Bethesda killed the entire franchise's lore with

>LOL ALIUMS CAUSED THE WAR TOO BAD ITS CANON

>>254463098
it entirely is
there is never true advancement or regression for that matter
gaining technology doesn't equate to a natural good or a better human existence
nor do vague social changed make for an objectively better society

the idea of a natural progress is just modern historical revisionism picking and choosing a historical narrative which fits the myth of some growth from a previous dark era

The only real argument people ever have against the Legion is "Ceasar will die and it will crumble". Which, actually, probably won't happen, you'll just have a power struggle for a while before someone ascends to the throne. Just like in previous dictatorial governments in history. It will be bloody and brutal for a while, sure, but eventually things will get back on track and once that happens a real set of succession laws will likely be passed to prevent the same thing happening again.

The Legion still provides the best chance of real progress and civilization for the Wasteland, and they're willing to do what it takes to make sure all of the anarchistic bullshit finally ends. It's really too bad Obsidian didn't have time to flesh out their route further.

>>254462861
>the point is anarchy IS the best option because these fantasies of the old world and 'civilization' are nothing but illusions as they always have been

This is a bit extreme but honestly it's probably right.

Joining up with the NCR is basically a fantasy that if you hook up with these dudes in uniform eventually things will go back to "normal". Caesars legion promises safety for very few people, since for every one merchant who feels safe there are a dozen slaves and a dozen more child soldiers. House will occasionally use guys like Victor to put on a friendly face, but like victor under it is just a demand for control without a care for who gets hurt.

The idea that the mojave even NEEDS any of these jackoffs is laughable. Between the Kings, the Followers, the Boomers, and even the great families and the random little towns out and bout, it's been proven time and again that the wasteland is full of good, resourceful people who can restore and improve upon old world tech and build their own future.

>>254451970
That UI is digustingly large.

>>254463708

Are you fucking retarded? Medicinal advancements alone have made human life considerably better than it has ever been before.

Here you sit, typing on a computer talking with people from, potentially, around the entire PLANET, saying that gaining technology doesn't equate to a better human existence. Are you really that fucking stupid? Maybe you're just a dumbass edgy teenager, I'll chalk it up to that.

>>254463812
>Which, actually, probably won't happen, you'll just have a power struggle for a while before someone ascends to the throne.

The next successor is an overly agressive douchebag with no subtelty and their entire society is based on easily disproven lies.

Besides, for every empire that happens to, there are at least half a dozen where it just gets carved up among wannabes and dissipates, gone within a generation.

>>254462628
>Tfw NV is still one of the best rpgs in a while.
feels bad man

>fallout 2
>that one guy in the temple at the very begining of the game
>you can talk your way out of fighting if you play it right, you actually have to think

>new vegas
>max speech
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBAHzsqBmCA

>>254459142
>Kill Enclave soldiers
>Take armor
>Give to Outcasts
>Literally swim in all of your stimpacks and ammo

>>254461264
>doing anything else than murdering Benny the moment you see him.

I even do that openly. Fuck that piece of shit. Basically everyfuckingbody on the strip and freeside hates him to death.

>>254463708
We advance so we can get rid of human suffering, or at least limit it. We advance so we have the tools to better ourselves

If humans never created and used even the most basic of tools, we would have gone extinct a long time ago

>>254464250
Stop making me want to play Fo2 again.

If you don't play these games on Very Hard you don't get a vote.

Currently pretty deep in FO3 and my only complaint is damage sponge enemies (Super Mutant Overlord, especially). It's a great game if you play it on the highest difficulty and scavenge for things.

I'm going to wait until I extensively play through New Vegas +DLC to decide which I like more, but as of right now the only thing New Vegas improved upon was the shooting, because I feel like having so many factions to choose from severely limits your ability to have one super-long term character.

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>>254463820
the whole point of Vegas is this Old West aesthetic where you have these communities functioning independently and peacefully with far less violence and crime compared to the 'civilized' East, that is until the railroads and Federal Government began to move in and impose its right to rule over the people already living in this area well enough and inevitably making their lives a lot worse even if they did bring their convenience and technology with them

>>254464490
Come on anon, fire it up for old times sake

So what, exactly, is Fallout Tactics? Is it more combat focused? Is it the technical Fallout 3?

>>254464656

Which would be a tradeoff worth considering, if the NCR or Legion had any tech worth a damn. Both wind up using the same single shotguns and only marginally better armor, healing with the same powder and stimpacks, and not really showing themselves as better or worse in an individual sense.

>>254464250
They're is really nothing wrong with NV's speech check system if you actually roleplay in the game instead of just rolling a super high intelligence and metagaming

>>254464818
It's Fallout 2's gameplay with no emphasis on story, questing, or exploration. It's not Fallout 3 because it's a spin-off like BoS and it's not necessary to touch it to have a grasp on the franchise.

>>254464526
>Very Hard
I'm going to be honest, I've never played Fallout on any mode besides normal discounting hardcore mode. I've just never seen the appeal to it. All it does is make enemies more tanky and you less. Then again I downloaded Project Nevada to make a somewhat roundabout pathway to make the game more challenging whilst not making the enemies stupid tanky. And even then, it still doesn't solve the fact that scavenging everything wasn't the point of Fo.

As per your claim, believe me that having many factions won't hurt it. There's not a single character in 3 that really is super-long term character or significant. Even ignoring the factions, your companions all have their own unique stories and personality.

>>254464967
>neither is really different
And that is why NV is flawed; your picking a philosophy to back, not a faction. The end result is the same for most of these factions.

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>>254464774
>try and play fallout 2
>first part of the game seems to consist of being at the mercy of the RNG

Seriously, does it get any better? I'm not exactly having fun.

>>254464774
Never! F-fine. Should I opt for energy this time around? I've never actually done a Fo1 or 2 run with energy.

>>254464967
Also doesn't quite help that House has his bots and Independent involves activating a force of super advanced robots as well.

>>254465208
Yes it does, it's arguably the best game in the franchise.

>>254465117
FO3 is better the harder it is. Played it once on normal, could kill everything with a hunting rifle or assault rifle.

Play on Very Hard and you will know the sadistic joy of firing a mini-nuke at a group of baddies that would otherwise murder you before you could do anything.

It's a great experience.

>>254465361
Fuck yeah, energy weapons are the best weapons to use in 1/2 IMO

>>254463260
>LOL ALIUMS CAUSED THE WAR TOO BAD ITS CANON
source?

I love both, but I love NV more.

>>254465156
But that's the point of the two. Legion is blatantly bad, NCR has good people but corrupt government and greedy for land just as much as the Legion, House wants discovery and advancement, and then there is wild card. The part that matters really comes down to the philosophies, not the tech if it were House or Indep win for robots of doom

>>254465208
It gets better, it's largely considered to be the best. The beginning is a bit messy if you don't have a good unarmed/weapon skill though. But believe me, you will be overjoyed when you can actually nut shot children with a missile launcher.

>>254465494
I think my catch is, at that point why not player S.T.A.L.K.E.R. or Metro?

>>254457149
You're allowed to like it, just realize you're retarded for doing so.

>>254465420
Well how am I supposed to power through the first part? I want to enjoy the game, but getting raped in the face by the RNG isn't particularly fun.

>>254465593
Play through Mothership Zeta. Apparently the ship's main cannon is near identical to an atomic bomb when fired.

I'll let you figure out the rest.

>>254457149
No you're not, fuck off.

>>254465593
Zeta. They talk about how they were doing it so that humanity would die so that they could extract the resources out of the planet. It's stupid as hell.

>>254465908
>>254465861
aight ill look through it thanks.

>>254465593
Alien captive recorded log 17, too lazy to link it but that's the one that has some military dude giving ICMB launch codes to the aliens.

>>254449923
I voted I like both equally even though I never played 3 or New Vegas.

Why would I do that one might ask? To prove how dumb these straw poll's can be.

>>254465861
>Well how am I supposed to power through the first part? I want to enjoy the game, but getting raped in the face by the RNG isn't particularly fun.
I'd recommend looking up some guides if nobody explains. Sadly I don't have many tips myself, it's the part of the game I'm dreading actually.

Now i wanna go play NV, thanks thread.

>>254465969
Just know it's also widely considered the worst of the fallout 3 DLC.

If you want to truly appreciate the lore rape, you can by all means go ahead, but don't expect a particularly good time.

New Vegas has one of the worst ways to start an RPG I can imagine.
Anywhere that looks remotely interesting has blockades to keep the player from getting there until later in the game. The start of the game is just far too linear and there are too many areas that are impossible to interact with.

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What faction would a physical manifestation of the US Constitution support?
I can't decide between NCR, or Independent.
I asked last thread, but people were conflicted

>>254466272

This. It's just like... why the fuck are there even Cazadors north of Goodsprings, except so that you'll head south to Primm? It's the same god damned walking distance either way to the Strip.

Not to mention that it's directly east of fucking nothing. That entire stretch of map is actually BLANK and walled off.

>>254466150
If you do, make sure that the cowboy and samurai die by the end. Usually you'll want to take them with you and then abandon them to die, then loot their bodies for their unique weapons.

>>254466272
>Implying you can't just sneak away or use strategy to get through
It's not even true blockades. Just very difficult to get past. Besides that, it's got a good story if you travel around the planned route. But maybe I just like the fact that there are certain monsters that are scary as hell and block off paths unless you work to get through them.

>>254466446
Probably NCR.

It's basically the exact same system, right down to the widespread corruption and incompetence in the upper echelons.

>>254466446

Independant.

NCR is all about taxation without representation, and colonial powers pushing it's boundaries.

For true AMERICA you need to fight for your independence.

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Ive been trying to get all of these overhaul mods to work together following the instructions on this page
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/54398/?
Did I load these mods wrong or do I have the wrong version of a mod? I can't get this to work.

>>254466521
>Cazadors north of Goodsprings
Didn't they have some warning sign? I honestly assumed it was basically just because they tended to live there kind of like how mister claws that tear through my power armour decided to live in the quarry area.

>>254466272
This argument comes along in every thread and it's stupid. There are no "blockades" in the game. The Deathclaws are the only thing that slow you down from getting to New Vegas and they're not even that hard to get by, plus Going down to Primm, the Ranger Outpost, then on to Novac is a great path that has a ton of content people would miss out on if they just ran to Vegas.

>>254466446
enclave

>>254466272
It's not very linear at all though
Once you're out of the Doctor's house you can go anywhere you'd like. Far less linear than F3.
My frumentarii character snuck all the way to New Vegas past the Deathclaws
My cowboy sheriff saved Goodsprings
My revenge driven mercenary ignored everything, and just went straight after Benny
etc.

>>254465985
>poll's
You sure showed us.

>>254466549
I've played it before but all i didnt really care much about the lore.

>>254466808

Nah, they live there, but there's huge random territory gaps. They also live like five feet out from Bitter Springs for no reason in mass droves.

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>>254466808
No what are you talking about. Maybe if there were like signs posted, and people that tell you about the dangers, i'd be okay with it BUT NOOOOOOOO
I'm being sarcastic ;)

>>254463878
Yeah I never bothered to change it

>>254466920
Personally I think that Cazadors were designed by a developer to purposefully be THAT MONSTER just to seap in pleasure at how painful and irritating they are. Why is it that both are under bethesda? Yes I'm looking at you Morrowind

>>254466272
New Vegas has a route it wants you to take for your first game, basically just to get you really acquainted with all the factions and give you an idea as to who your character would want to help and who it wouldn't want to help.

After that first playthrough, you get a better grip on the game's mechanics and can very easily get past the cazadores/deathclaws

>>254467147
Not to mention there are 3 Stealth Boys in Goodsprings alone

>>254462331
Because you can't measure that, and there are more idiots with bad taste who think flat level scaled FPS lite is fun.

>>254466774
please help

I finally finished the F3 main quest after having read all the goofy synopses, and god damn I near pissed myself laughing when all that shit about everybody wants to start the water cooler, but nobody wants anybody else to start it came up.

>>254451190
>side with the Legion
>their arch enemy turns hostile as soon as they find out

TECHNOLOGY

>>254467346
put all the dlc above on the load order.

>>254467346
read the readmes, think logically, or go to /vg/ and whine to them

>>254467146

Honestly Cazador just fill every single requirement for a stupid fucking encounter.

It's venom lasts long enough to be an annoyance, and companions can't take antivenom.

It's small and moves fast in random patterns even when idle, so sniping it is basically a non-option. Even if you know what you're doing they live almost exclusively in narrow corridors and spot you after the first shot.

To make matters worse it's probably a better bullet sponge than a fully armored soldier. NOTHING should be able to take that many 40mm grenades to the face and keep going.

To cap it all off is how ridiculously common they wind up being. Groups of 4-5 of them every thirty or so feet is just silly.

>>254467346
Don't you need NVSE to get Project Nevada to work?

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>>254467606
Shoot the wings, and they become one of the easiest enemies to kill.

I only remember Cazadores being in the plains near Jacob's town, north of Goodsprings, and near that lake

>>254467831
project nevada was working, the game stopped working when I put in FOOK and all other files to make it compatible with weapon mods and EVE shit
>>254467503
ALmost all of the readmes only show fucking version updates and don't tell me much about anything.
>>254467498
Ill try, I also noticed I didnt install EVE, just the support
>>254467503
They are too busy talking about someones mc cuddle ability

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>>254468140

>>254467606
>not shooting the wings
>not being a wasteland cazador hunter by sniping them with your hunting rifle/trail carbine
>not making a ton of snakebite tourniquets

>>254468097
Can't say i know what FOOK is, i have all the other mods except PJnevada, so i'm not really sure how to help you with that. You should definitely try the nexus forums, those autists tend to have an answer to everything.

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>>254468140

>>254468339
>>254468519
these, alongside with the hunting shotgun and mercy

>>254468140
Really depends on what sort of character I'm playing.
If it's a cowboy then Chance's Knife, Lucky, and the named Cowboy Repeater.
If it's a desert ranger ala Wasteland lore then Chance's Knife, Maria, All-American.
If it's a tribal then melee weapons like the Bumper Sword.

I have to say /v/ I'm quite surprised.
I thought for sure the poll would show that roughly equal amounts of people preferred FO3, if not more.

Glad to know most of you actually have good taste.

>>254467443
Not like I've actively been killing NCR soldiers all around, I also was previously idolized by them, fuck

>>254461637
Depends. If you play your cards right, NCR ending is (debatably) the brightest overall outcome, but more often than not, with most choices, their reign is pretty shit.

>>254470919
And you betrayed them. gg anon