/v/

>>254251959
people buy them

>>254251959
sequels tend to be 'more accessible' read 'dumbed down'
fucking michael bay effect

>>254251959
Early access, beta, alpha releases, price tags

>>254251959
replayability is at an all time low for most games
no content
rushed games

Degradation of quality to appeal to normalfags

>>254251959
The fact they're treated as products to be consistently rehashed, and eventually removed from their core fan base. And the way major publishers treat us like we're retarded.

that vidya isnt niche anymore

Too many games make the assumption that the player has the brainpower of a particularly stupid rock, and explain EVERYTHING to make sure they get it. Objectives and level design tend to get dumbed down in hte process too. After all, if the levels were complex, these hypothetical stupid rocks might not be able to beat the game.

early access shit
casualization
on-disc dlc
f2p with psw
online required in offline games
memes
untrustwothy reviews
unnecessary QTEs
<60 fps games
assfaggots
double drm
games with sequels every year

if i had to choose one i would choose casualization but i could go on, and so could you

they suck

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the total lack of any risk by developers.

Would it be so hard to make a game that's difficult, different or actually innovative?

>>254251959
The fanbases

Too much emphasis on graphics, not enough on gameplay

Moviegames (both games that are based on movies because they usually suck and games that play like movies because of all the cinematics, but more the latter)

$60 for a game that takes 12 hours to 100%

Day 1 DLC

>>254253408
>hypothetical stupid rocks
Well, there were those developer commentaries on Half Life

use to be iron sights
but, stalker cured that
now I hate console styled menus

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- games trying to be "realistic" as possible but while not being realistic at all, (see: Call of Duty, Madden, other shovelware)
- Games are AFRAID of being fun
- Games are AFRAID of being videogames (When was the last time you see a "Power-Up" or a "Bonus-Stage" in modern AAA releases?
- nothing new or original in the AAA market
- focus on multiplayer
- DRM
- Microtransactions, nickle and diming
- releasing and selling incomplete/unfinished games (See: Sonic 06 etc)
- lazy and arrogant publishers and developers (See: EA, Capcom)
- publishers/developers that radically change the tone of a series in order to "try and get more money" (See: Capcom)
- No depth
- No replayability
- No challenge/difficulty

no substance.

the 'AAA' titles these days are overbudgeted forgettable pieces of trash. The stories are generally shitty, they waste all their money on marketing, and the actual games tend to look like shit, play like shit, be short as fuck, and just in general not be very good.

Meanwhile smaller budgeted games made by a team who actually cares about gaming tend to stand out in the lime light.

>>254253463
and i will go on

>screen tearing
>no edgesmoothing
>store exclusive pre orders
>live streaming
>locked settings
>low fovs
>no local multiplayer

>>254253463
this
along with consoles hindering innovation

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Most games aren't more than 30 hours first playthrough anymore

>>254251959
Uplay/Origin/Social Club

because it prevents me from even wanting to try the games, shitty or not

>>254253870
It's unfortunate. AAA at this point is basically divided between faux-realistic rehashes, and wannabe "deep" games that think any actual mechanics are "too video gamey".

>>254254049
>all kinds of neat and innovated games were made on the SNES and shit
>people still believe this shit

Blame the fanbases more than anything else, the hardware is no big deal.

>>254254049
Consoles are not hindering innovation, Developers and Publishers are

The thing I hate the most... There's a lot, but a recent trend I really hate is every big company's reluctance to make the "true" switch to next-gen. Either have a new generation or don't, don't fucking half-ass it by releasing everything you do cross-gen.

Early Access

it's not so much Early Access being the problem it's the fact people are retarded enough to pay for it, and thats why it's a problem, fuck idiots.

In order for a game to be "art" has to be less of a video game and more of a walking simulator.

Progression systems that make you think you're achieving something, but you're only wasting your time.

Also, games that are built to never end. In my opinion it's immoral to create something like this, as when not taken in moderation, can cause addiction and damage someone.

>>254254021
Local multiplayer is dead, except on Nintendo.

A shame.

>>254251959
Everything being so hand-holdy and easy

>Playing link between worlds
>fuckin 50 bomb signs around a cracked wall
Why Nintendo? Why did you do this?

>>254254275
Then sometimes developers "innovate" just for the sake of saying they did. But then it becomes an unnecessary or underused gimmick.

>>254254128
>30 hours
u wot?
try 3-6 hours

>Early access games that don't get finished
>No demos
>DLC out of the ass
>On-disk DLC
>Season passes
>Mass casualization
>Too much DRM
Too much to think of.

>>254251959
at least half the budget goes on marketing instead of making the game better

>>254254393
The problem is that making the jump to next gen is pricey, and big companies hate spending money. For the time being, they're offsetting that cost by making a last-gen game and the porting it to the new consoles with microscopic changes. Softens the blow for those fucking jews.

>>254252027
This.

People are brain-dead. They happily purchase a game with day one DLC and all that shit.

How disposable they all seem to be.

GAME OF THE YEAR EDITION even if the game was shit

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they are shit

>>254254128
Most games longer than that have a ton of padding.

Strategy is dead. No good modern or cold war strategy games...

>>254251959
people complain the game is bad
or a sequel is worse when they haven't played any of them.

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either they are easy as fuck or soul crushingly hard but in a cheap artificial difficulty kind of way. I just want a decent challenge without getting my anus spread into the galaxies

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>>254254505

- Walking slow during dialogues
- Unskipabple cut scenes
- "Story over gameplay" mindset

I'm sure there is more but I don't wanna think about it since it makes me angry

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>>254254393
This is only happening now because the "next-gen" now is basically "last gen 1.5."

It's a largely superficial advancement compared to the jump from PS2 to PS3 or Xbox to 360.

Hell, the only reason why people are even buying those consoles is because the publishers are strong-arming them via exclusives.

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>>254254128
this is what really surprised me about this game

apart from being a very good game in itself to complete it took around 30 hours for me which really impressed me, considering most games this gen are 7 hours

>>254251959
When a game is focused on the story but the gameplay isn't engaging/fun enough for me to finish Borderlands 2

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>>254253620

>>254254604
Old games were not 3-6 hours, no

>>254254723
Sperg demographic doesn't like to pay for games.

>people thinking their opinions are the only correct one
>/v/
>tumblr
>developers catering to the loudest opinion

>>254254647
>>The problem is that making the jump to next gen is pricey
Then maybe, just maybe, they should have done the transition a bit later?

>>254254728
>people saying that games of today are hard
I'll never get this

>>254251959
Poor controls and interaction are the only unredeemable sins a game can have.

Thing is, it's much more common for that to be the case in older games, though it is still a problem.

>>254254673
Well, with so many publications out there reviewing games, even small-town newspapers, they can always find one willing to label their product as the Game of the Year.

notifications, shitty menus, DRM, logins, load times

pretty much anything keeping me from playing the fucking videogame

The general soullessnes that come from having a game made with so many people,
some if not most of witch don't even play games

>>254254739
I guess I hit a nail on the head.

>>254251959
The fact that reddit input is about 40% of a game

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>>254251959
>"Oh, you are a hero now!"
>runs through town
>"Kill 10 rats please."

>>254254907
Hey, maybe it's a little bit difficult to do?

>>254254892
i think you will find rts fans left after EA murdered C&C
all thats left is CoH or SC

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DLC

Seriously, this shit needs to stop and developers never do it right.

>>254254926
also what I hate is the people who think that since a game wasn't hard for them, it shouldn't be hard for others as if people do not inherently have different affinities.

but to clear up your confusion there are games that go into both spectrums. such as their easy normal difficulties are babycake and then their hardest or even their hard is a punishing chore

>>254254505
By this metric, life itself is damaging and immoral.

>>254254654
poorfag detected

>>254251959
the players

Western games too brown, weeb games too garish.

>>254251959
Simplification, monetization, but most of all, pandering. Devs pander to the marginalized as well as the lowest common denominator in order to push their sales, and it prompts other developers to do so when they're successful.

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>>254254505
>Games built to never end

You mean mmos?

>>254255251
I want names anon. Examples. There's nothing a clever person can't do to abuse AIs and mechanics written by humans themselves.

>>254255216
I don't get the filename. Despite the hilarious art direction, that scene has more budget put into it than entire other episodes of Naruto.

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You know what I really fucking hate?

Western games this gen have ZERO eyecandy

no attractive females WHATSOEVER, NOTHING SEXY in them

I'm not saying it should be the focus but it's at least nice seeing a half naked woman with big breasts or something like that every once in a while

Why the fuck does only Japan continue to put in tits and ass in their videogames? Are all western devs fucking gay or something

The pretentiousness annoys me. Nowadays a lot of devs get by just making mediocre games with generic, bare-bones gameplay, using the excuse that anything that could improve the game is "too video gamey", and their fans eat it up because suddenly it's so fucking deep.

>>254251959
Games are not what the trailers show.
And if they are, it's just those scenes repeated over and over and over again.

>>254255442
Kill yourself, Ruggadick.

>>254254128
>anymore
>snes games could be beaten in usually less than 5 hours. only the rpgs took longer.

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>>254251959
Old school RPG's used to accessable to all. You could just play the fucker and get by OK but to truly master it you need a fucking degree in D&D rules. Most now just require you to periodically spam the A button, then the B in case you need to block.

>>254255442
there is this cancer called being "Progressive"

>>254255304
I have a PhD in physics and make 300k a year.

I'm far from a poorfag. I buy games that deserve my money.

>>254255409
Nah dude, I think he means Risk.

>>254251959
PRESS X TO OPEN DOOR
NEW OBJECTIVE: FOLLOW WAYPOINT TO NEXT AREA
DLCs instead of free patches or proper addons
MODs you need to buy now
All this fucking marketing
The prices of games
Games in majority much shorter
Greenlight and his bunch of "hey i can haz gamez creation too & got muney lolo"
fucking casualisation and "olol i so geek i play angry birds and shit olol"

etc etc

>>254255442
Nice b8

The issue with gaming today is capitalism.

gaming is a money making industry, they no longer care about the games themselves, just how much profit the game can make.

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>>254255126
this

and unskippable tutorials

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>>254255292
Not if you make the right decisions and try to avoid dangerous situations.

Pic related, anyone can be good at a game, but what does it really achieve in the end?

>all these complaints that barely affect me
You guys need to play more handheld games and less brown n bloom westernboo dime a dozen movie simulators

league of legends

>>254255146
If transitioning is so hard, then, why is this the only generation so far where this shit happened on such a large scale, though?

>>254255558
They actually squeezed more because they were actually challenging.

I'm pretty sure someone would take to beat Castlevania IV around 15-20 hours on the first try

>>254255590
All RPGs went from being somewhat difficult to piss easy when you began leveling up and getting more stats. What the fuck are you on about? Unless you're some kind of retard who doesn't know what the fuck to do.

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>games these days

>>254255448
>Shallow Ops: The Line
>Bioshit Infinite

People will defend these games.

>>254255442

I agree

too many SJW devs like Obsidian and Bioware

>>254255009
this

AAA games today feel STERILE AS FUCK

>>254255842
Don't forget The Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls, Heavy Rain, Gone Home...

>>254251959
the fact that Dark Souls 2 is not Dark Souls 1

Dumbing down for consoles.

>>254255680
> but what does it really achieve in the end?
Entertainment, and mental engagement.

Like a book or TV or radio, but your brain will work better from the stimulus when you're done. Why, what did you think?

>>254255602
timestamp pics faggot

Nintendo and indie gaming is the only thing keeping video games alive right now in my eyes.

everything too easy
everyone is buzz cut white man with gun
female characters are all either manface or skimpy loli
it's creepy

>>254255602
>I have a Phd

OK anon, where did you get it? ITT Tech?

Phoenix Online?

Some black market scam?

Because if you had a PhD you'd be spending you time not on a fucking imageboard

>>254255894
>Obsidian
>SJW

They used rape as a plot device a few times in New Vegas. That's not SJW-friendly at all. In fact, the developers got complaints that people felt "uncomfortable".

>>254255420

example halo in legendary or gears of war in insane. Play anything below is a cake walk, but play it in those modes and the weakest enemy in the game will drain all your health in one shot and the only way to beat them is to rush for checkpoints or hide in a corner shoot one out and wait for your health to come back.

>>254255824
Nah, I tend to disagree.

Today, you get rewarded for exploring rather than trying to challenge yourself. This is destructive in the end, because you can't transfer these skills in real life. Being curious will only get you so far. You need to fucking deal with shit man. If you always win, what are you testing?

>>254255637
It's always been that way, except back in the arcade days earning money was tied to an increase in difficulty (not the other way around), all so they could squeeze the quarters out of you.

E.g. Battle Garegga is impossible to complete if you chain too many items, yet chaining every fucking item in sight is the intuitive thing to do.

People that self identify and form their personalities around being "gamers".

So many games look like they will be great from previews, but end up being bad. I want games with great graphics, storyline, and gameplay. Very few even manage to have one of these.

>>254255745
Maybe because the company's doing the innovation thought it was time but consumers in general weren't ready and didn't fully support it by buying in? Financial strains for consumers impacted the wellbeing of the gaming industry perhaps?

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>>254255542
I'm not that nigger, sorry mate

>>254255628
I'm serious here m8

this was the last western game I played that had an attractive female in it

What the fuck happened to Western devs this gen?

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>>254256134
Why do you assume, wealthy and intellectual people wouldn't like to visit 4chan? Projecting much?

>>254251959
They are mostly made to make as much money from possible, and as such are not of a high quality to appeal to niche markets.
And the boxes. I want my fucking big boxes back.

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>>254256146

go away Obsidiot

>>254256031
But barely any game nowadays stimulate your brain. Honestly, I go back to old games if I want to do that (and that's not a problem in itself since these games used to teach you patience, perseverance, determination and endurance. Also, a good bit of problem solving and memorization).

>>254256182
well arcades started off good and then slowly started to tank in quality once people started realizing that they could get away with that shit. Now gaming has gone back down that slope because instead of quarter-eaters you get throw-away experiences, DLC, and subscriptions. it's honestly the same shit scam designed to take your money for an overall worse gaming experience.

>>254256204
So it all comes down to retarded companies making dumb decisions. Alright then.

>>254256350
One man does not represent the whole company. Also, I remember calling Joshua a faggot when I first read this. Yelling at people over political correctness, yeah fuck you.

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>>254256329
What was your thesis on the anon?

Online multiplayer.

>>254255441

still looks like something someone would had posted on newground around 2001.

all the games look the same and there's not much room for them to grow

all the games play the same because no one knows how to innovate any more except maybe nintendo

all the new indie games that come out are goddamn 8bit pixel horseshit. i dont fucking understand it.

>>254256329

I know a few going for their PhD and some who got it and they really can't afford to waste their time. If you really have a PhD you mustn't be working on anything important.

>>254251959
Not about Today's games, but duelswalkers 2015 is fucking horseshit compared to 2014.

>Shitty cards everywhere
>No casual MP games like Garruk, Arch-nemesis, conspiracy etc
>No sealed (Fuck you wizards of the coast this was on 2014)

I like that there is a freedom to build a deck now, sadly the game lacks cards from the 2015 core set, and many deck types feel underpowered or just unplayable.

So all in all Magic the Gathering games are still inferior to Yu-gi-oh games.
>there will never be another tag force game

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Console devs putting graphics before optimization. If a game has troubles holding even 30FPS then clearly someone somewhere don't have their priorities straight. Worst of all you can't really do anything about it but pray that someday a performance fixing patch or PC port gets released.

>>254256171
Do you even Noob combo?

Also, only Gears 2 was shit on Insane because of two particuliar checkpoints (one before getting the boat, and the on-rails retarded section at the beginning).

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>>254256329
It's hilarious how hard you're trying to get us to believe that you have a 'PhD in Physics'

If you did, you wouldn't have enough time to post on a image board. Especially if it was in Physics

Big Bang Theory isn't real faggot

>>254255116
How would this even be remotely true? Where are you getting this info?

>>254256839
Dragon's Dogma....

>>254255442
western games are full of tna
western devs are just bad at illustrating them

>Games that try to be movies
>Press X to not die
>Cutscenes everywhere for the mundane shit
>People value story over gameplay

>>254256463
It's also an issue of big studios I think.

Back in the 90s and early 00s you used to have smaller studios, which meant that whoever had the brightest and most creative ideas had room to be vocal about them.

Now it's all formularized and cookie-cut, each staff member performs the small development tasks they're assigned, just a simple render will have three different people working on it.

tl;dr: There's no room for creative expression anymore.

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>>254256668
this

I know its fun to play with friends, but now EVERY game is trying to go for it.

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>>254256924
>>254256134
>>254256042
lurk more ladies.

pic related.

>>254255420
one example that comes to mind is civ 5. I like the AI to be smart and fight me with everything they have but they get advantages you do not and you get disadvantage that they do not. To me that just seems cheap. Games like timesplitters 2 would have enemies be percision shots but at least they would reward yoou with more objectives and more of the map

>>254253463
>unnecessary QTEs
Is there ever a time when they're necessary?

Are there any game mechanics that are 'necessary?'

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>>254256329
>PhD in physics
>Most physicists with PhD's work in academia
>300K

Wtf do you do?

ITT: people complain about stuff they'd complain if it wasn't in.

you're all fucking retards moaning about trivial things.

>>254256796
That's entirely likely since we've over churned the degree mills and lots of well educated people are currently having a hard time on the job market.

>>254255824

what about those of us who find an old game they never played, therefore having no nostalgia googles for it and find it better than most shit today?

>>254251959
multiplayer

>>254257103
Keep trying to pass yourself off as someone with a PhD. You're only making yourself look like a dumbass

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Games that make you go to a vantage point and mark enemies so you can see them through walls.

>>254257219
>Implying I would complain if there wasn't microtransactions in my game because I just love p2w

>>254257103


>>254256924
Fucking all my this.

>>254257182
This is actually true. People working with PHDs in academia are rarely rich.

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>>254257219
most of the things listed here are pretty game-breaking things that affect games significantly

you better get the fuck off my imageboard before I trace your IP, find out where you live and break your fucking nose

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>>254257034
>>254255624
>Press x to win/not to die/open door/etc.

What games actually do this?

>>254257374
The only dumbass is you.

Someone who has been here for a long time knows what's happening.

>>254256846

that's the thing, you need to noob combo your way trough and any other weapon is mostly useless.

>>254251959
Fucking pay 2 win shit.

>>254257028
>western games are full of tna

no they aren't

>>254257698
Shovel Knight? No, seriously.

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>>254257219
>I'd complain if there was no DRM or casualization

>>254257698
Shovel Knight, sadly.

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>>254257103
Name your specialty. BSc Physics with planetary science, MSc in Physicsfag here. I will give you a wee test with a simple question for someone so educated and yet not readily available on google.

I will assume if you don't reply you are full of shit.

>>254257698
Shovel Knight

Tacked on multiplayer when the game didn't have planned multiplayer (Tomb Raider 2013)

None of them are Bomberman.

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>>254257698

See

>>254253870

Not a single point listed there applies to this game

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>PhD in Mathematics
>any job I want
>300k starting

>>254257539
fable 2 final boss was press Y to kill him or wait a few minutes and your partner will kill him for you mid monologe.

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>>254251959
Think Online is garbage and it's all about the story. Had some fuck heads say that today.

>>254257835
I'm not full of shit my friend. See pic here. >>254257103

That's all the clues I'm giving to you.

attempting to make your game into a movie instead of worrying if it's actually fun to play

>>254257182
>>254257507
Actually there's been an increasing demand for physicists within the financial sectors, to fulfill quant positions.

A straight economics or finance degree won't cut it, acturial science and financial mathematics does, but those have a lower amount of applicants than the physics department.

Though according to my physicist friend, hardly any physicists want to work in the financial sector

>>254257698
Shovel Knight.
For physical retail release.... i dunno. maybe Kirby 3D.

>>254257835
you know that even if he is lying it won't matter in the slightest because whether you are rused or not he is still in the same position he was in before the thread and he's still anonymous. why are you pushing this so hard

>>254257698
Deus Ex Human Revolution

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>>254253408

THIS

>Pokemon games still have a tutorial on how to catch Pokemon

>>254257974
>Any job you want
Good thing you don't want to be a professional athlete or a physician.

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>>254258012
>Online is better than story
What disgusting game does this?

>>254257454
Okay maybe not that, but people are fucking complaining about online, there's nothing wrong with games having a multiplayer option.

DlC adds more to the game, unless it's some shitty weapon pack, then just don't pay for it. Do you expect Dev to add whole new areas of content for free?

Quest markers are fucking useful, might be over used but can you imagine searching the whole of fucking Skyrim for some stupid cave?

Bonus stages only fit certain types of games.

>>254257509
Lol bet you're the guy with the alleyway PhD

>>254257945
I fucking loved that game.

>>254257562
'HAHAHA! IM ONLY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED!!"

DLC and nothing but themepark mmos

>>254254423
Early access should be free

>>254256765

in the end they are not even true retro 8bit, because they all use colors, sprites and effects that wouldn't had being able to run on 8bit systems.

>>254257983
Final boss on lost planet 2 was the same thing. I spent like an hour shooting that fucker, just to find out all I had to do was walk up and press x to win.

>>254258346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqCLpEh6o-I

I loved it too, very polished and enjoyable experience

>>254258405
No I'm literally not pretending to be retarded.

I want to spoon feed you so badly but I'm not going to because you're making me crease.

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>>254258094
Because faggets think dropping "Physics PhD" gives them some sort of intellectual credibility. Trust me, most people who study physics are fucking autistic retards who can't tie their own shoelaces, myself included. Also I like being a twat online, hence being on 4hcan.

Half assed, shallow plots of things that were controversial maybe 5 years ago as an excuse for fucking terrible bullshit with the title "videogame" slapped onto it.

>>254258341
>Do you expect Dev to add whole new areas of content for free?

No, but I expect that content shouldn't be taken out before the game is released and sold to me later.

>>254257768
>>254257810
>>254257836
This.
One day I woke up, looked at my backlog full of 80 hour JRPGs, went "fuck it" I want something fun and just brought Shovel Knight out of the blue. It was actually kind of great, a bit easy though.

A lot less content, too many people

>>254258624
whatever floats your boat

guess I'm not pathetic enough to understand

video games are being too short.
everything is multiplayer
DLC i don't really care for it.

>>254258679
I pity the fools who will miss on a great game just because of "muh 8bit indie retro game" and "shilling." If they want to stay mad, so be it really.

>>254257173
The Dead Space games do QTEs pretty well.

>>254258624
I have a PhD in Maths and physics.

Suck on it you pleb.

Announcing that things are going to be DLC before the game is ever out.

>Persona 4 Arena Ultimax

How about you just put Adachi into the fucking game instead of making him pre order dlc?

Fuck you.

>>254258245
>a game whose target audience is children explains its basic concepts
>implying explaining your game mechanics is a bad thing
>implying there aren't new children with every release of Pokémon

Not everyone's been playing since RBY, anon.

Hell, I've seen adults who started at Gen V.

Though, if they gave you option to skip it, that would be nice.

for me, the biggest problem is blur

every wii and early ps3 game has to much fucking blur. I probably will never play gta IV and saints row 2

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>>254258341
>Do you expect devs to add whole new areas of content for free
>What are unlockables

Even then, there are DLCs out there that release content for free already

>>254251959
Early Access
Cosmetics taking over development time (see Valve)
DLC
Cinematic bullshit
Casualized short games
no replayability

>>254251959
Something to do with games being created by major publishers and companies with nothing but money in sight, not the developers wanting to make a great game anyone.

>>254253935
You realise what you just said is true but at the same time if a game isnt forgettable enough how would a gamer move on to other games and buy even more? WoW broke the gaming market until Activision broke WoW so players could actually move on to something else. This is just a very small example.

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>>254258704
Also I'm pissed off my tits and shit posting on the internets. I concede, you are correct sir. Consider myself burned.

>>254254128
Am I the only one that hates long games?

>>254258679
>a bit easy though
Try NG+

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>>254256193
This. Fucking. SHIT. And not just in gaming, but any fucking hobby "culture".

>>254256839
Holy fuck, this. I'm tired of console devs trying to compete with PC and make their consumers settle for shit. Who gives a fuck if the textures are slightly less quality or you use less polygons. Use the hardware to get games running at 60fps.

The way that social media is forced into every fucking produce/service provided.

The casualization of video games, which slowly crept in post 2006.

>>254254423
No, the idiots are people who have expectations of early acess and judge it as a finished product.

journalism.

>>254258341
>Do you expect Dev to add whole new areas of content for free?
Yes, because that's exactly what they used to do.

>>254258278
Arma, Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Grand Theft Auto IV

>>254258583
Actually loaned it to a friend, and that idiot couldn't beat the first boss on normal. Would also meet a lot of people on gears that said lost planet was too hard.

REMEMBER WHEN VIDEOGAMES DIDNT FOLLOW DEFAULT CATEGORY OF "GENRES" TO THE LETTER AND AVOIDED INNOVATION AND EXPERIMENTATION FOR FEAR OF SLIGHTLY LESS SALES

Otaku pandering.
It bugs me that the only people buying these games only look because the covers/promotional art looks like softcore porn.

>>254258665
>people on /v/ say stuff, it must be true

They don't do that. DlC means they work on the game after release.

I've seen people saying Day 1 DLC, but I've never seen that so it's obviously only done for shit games

>>254259313
Fucking when

>>254258679
Why do you have JRPGs in your backlog if they aren't fun? Wtf?

I hate minor effects which have a huge GPU usage which lead to a huge fps drop, then the fucking retarded director of the game tries to justify its usage for >muh cinematic feel

Journalists

Consoles continue to go for graphics over framerate, and are unable to get good graphics even then.

>>254259415
And then they try to defend it. That's just embarrasing.

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>>254258861
Oh so you studies half the Physics and half the Mathematics modules. How incredibly impressive.

>Implying a dual award is better than a single award.
>Implying Physics isn't just applied mathematics.

>>254259415
They use it because they -know- their shovelware product will sell to a niche audience.

SOCIAL COMMENTARY SHOEHORNED INTO MY GAMES
ITS OKAY I LIKE THE OCASIONAL DEEP SHIT IN MY PLOTS
BUT ENTERTAINMENT IS A PRIORITY
I DONT WANT TO PAY $60 TO HAVE AN INTERACTIVE DVD MENU TELL ME HOW MUCH OF A MONSTER I AM FOR BEING WHITE OR MALE OR DIGGING CHICKS

>>254257974
>Mathematics Degree
>Having any career choice

Top kek

>>254259747
>>254259768
You're just not getting it.

You obviously ain't been here long.

How absolutely every game is OH MY GOD THIS IS THE MOST HYPE CONSTRUCT THAT WILL EVER EXIST THIS GAME LETS YOU FUCK THE MOOOOOON for 6.99 pre order at Gamestop.

Then you have, "Foolish n'er-do-wells and their triple a corporate hogwash purchasing methods. Come experience MY game that is made in RPG maker and will never be out of alpha but it's Indie so it's automatically better."


It's not about the games anymore but rather the focus lies on who is making them and what kind of public reception they can garner.

>>254259209
What does it change?

The Social justice movement

Fucking SJW bullshit

>>254258245
I understand why it's there, but it should be skippable if you already caught a pokemon.

You can't do that shit by accident.

>>254251959
fps with rpg elements
>click on npcs, get some dialogue options
>click on containers, get list of loot
>click on plot items to get a cutscene and advance the game
>some stat points to distribute or skills to pick
OH WOW, IT'S JUST LIKE EVERY GAME EVER RELEASED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.

>>254256134
>Because if you had a PhD you'd be spending you time not on a fucking imageboard

What exactly do you base this information on?

Do PhDs no longer have leisure time or hobbies?

>>254259504
You know how it goes, you have fun until a point, then the grinding just gets to you.

Uncreative as fuck industry.

>>254259906
Two checkpoints per stage, double damage, no chickens.

If you really want to eat shit, you could put on the purple armor for a bigger damage multiplier.

>>254258587
"HAHAHA! IM NOT RETARDED, IM A FAGGOT!"

Social media integration.
Locking features behind grinding.
Loss of "true" unlockables.
No games have really cool secrets any more.

>>254259417
Star trek online has done it since day 1.

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>>254259928
>>254259932

>>254259973
>if you already caught a pokemon
So you're saying placement of the tutorial is partially an issue? They just have to put it before you can buy pokeballs/can catch a pokemon and you'd be happy?

>>254257698
Dark Souls was the last game I really got into, that didn't have a shit ton of bullshit in it.
Also Dishonored to an extent.

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Any Kikestarter game. Most are made by people who have little to no experience in the industry, have unrealistically set funding requirements (it's either way too low or ridiculously high), and there's no real promise as to what happens with the end product design and if/when it gets finished.

>>254260037
>posting on 4chin
>leisure time

Damn nigga, I knew you all were sad, but not THAT sad

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>>254260104

other anon here, the PhD shit is a fuck old copy pasta. Like the what did you say about me you little bitch, i will let you know that i am a marine etc etc etc.

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>>254259870
No, it is just a retarded meme that idiots go around quipping causing more idiots to actually believable this tripe.

>>254260180
I don't consider anything a secret/easter egg if you get an achievement for finding it.

every asshole acts like they're a genius game designer and then proceed to give us the same reheated shit we've been guzzling down since Half-Life 2.

>>254260260
no, I'm saying if you don't want to take the tutorial you shouldn't have to.

If they were afraid of someone accidentally skipping the tutorial without learning, checking if the player has a pokemon caught is a 100% guarantee they know how to do it.

As opposed to just asking "yes or no". If that makes any sense.

>>254260180
>no games have really cool secrets

Yeah, but that's more the internet's fault than anything. But I do agree.

>tfw you will never again experience pre-2000s gaming

>>254251959
Always online DRM.

>>254260191
That's a fucking mmorpg nigger.

Cinematic experiences, gameplay taking a backseat to story or being a tacked on afterthought

>>254260104
see >>254260374

It doesn't matter though. You'll be mad as fuck and call me a faggot like you just did because you wasn't aware of the copypasta.

It's ok mate. That PhD of yours really helped you this time didn't it.

>>254259417
Warcraft 3 had the Rexxar campaign finished in two post-release patches for free, and they also released additional Tavern heroes for free.

>>254260465
But it only takes a minute of your time.

Shallow "crafting systems" that are just hidden fetch quests

Weapons that break in literally minutes

>>254260409
And it worked perfectly. My job was done.

>>254251959

DLC

>>254260645
All tutorials should be optional all the time, period.

>>254251959
The people that play them. Some are silly shits and I'm alright with that. Then there are the elite autists that just want to try to ruin your game.

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>>254251959
watering down of everything
people just don't go deep anymore

>>254260645
it's not done fast at all. especially when you're watching someone do some shit you've seen a dozen times.


Pokemon intros are always the fucking worst.

>>254260842
I hope one day you accidentally skip a tutorial tat you actually need to go through and it fucks you up in some way.

>>254260528
Yet other mmos will charge for expansions. Can't think of anything else off hand. But what happened to when you actually got legit expansions? I stead of a couple maps and maybe a new game type.

>>254261006
GameFAQs, anon. GameFAQs.

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>DLC
>No fun manual stuff anymore
>Always story and graphics over everything else when it should be:
Gameplay > Music > Graphics > Story
>Tutorials
>Everyone using other games as stepping stones
>Indie devs that think pixel games are the way to go
>Zombies in every format
>Building blocks in any format
>A game that opts for multiple choice, but it ends the same no matter what
>Good / Bad system
>Speech systems that let you talk your way out of a fucking war
>RPG / FPS hybrids
>Any game where the world's fate rests on your shoulders
>Greenlight

Not exactly 'new' to games, but region lock and yearly releases of a title still piss me off.

>>254261131
I hope your dog eats your favorite video game.

>>254258245
To be fair, Pokemon is kind of a game for children...

>>254260568
>Implying that was me.
It wasn't.
Benn here years.
Never seen that one before. Learn something errr day on here.

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It's so hard to choose.

Lack of heart and passion put into a game.

That they're being called an "experience" like it's a fucking theme part ride.

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DLC is never done right, prove me wrong

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>>254260423
Exactly. I blame the XBOX 360 for destroying the entire art of completionism.

Tons of tryhard achievements for irrelevant grinding or handicaps, loss of ingame stat counters and unlockables.

I did my time with achievements, (36K total or so) but it became very soulless and unfulfilling and ultimately was the impetus for gaming becoming a hollow distraction, rather than a glorious hobby like when I was growing up.

So fuck you Microsoft, I hope you have to lay off everyone in your stupid fucking "TV" division and that locusts eat your houses.

>And then I realize that Smash Bros is coming out.
>And then I remember the feels.

>>254251959
>Nearly every game tries to put emphasis on story
>Story still sucks

>>254261206
>Gameplay > Music > Graphics > Story
Gay

To be maximum enjoyable it should be Gameplay=Story=Graphics=Music=your favorite porn
Don't you want to reach for the stars?

>>254256350
Well I do love me some dark skinned elves

>>254258245
Its a kids game though, new kids need to learn how. Its not designed for adults like you and I

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My most hated thing? The new-age consumer.

The idiot who will willingly pay $10 for two new weapons and a map. The people who are honestly lining up to buy a second copy of the exact same movie released a year ago with fuckall changes for the PS4 without a second thought. The (man)children who turn real aspects of games like framerate and resolution into buzzwords because the marketing departments know that they're easy targets. The college-age self-proclaimed "gamer", an actual mindless drone, a zealot to the shady term "PC Master Race" who believes Valve is completely free of ill will and is a company that can do no wrong. The pseudo-intellectual who will slurp up not-games like The Order 1886 that are created by developers who would much rather be directors and producers in hollywood, those creators who groan about including gameplay in video games. Those same pseudo-intellectuals who make big deals over non-issues like gay protagonists.

I'm sick of 'em. /v/ has become filled with them.

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>>254261418
bad company 2 vietnam.

New levels, new weapons, new voices, more fun

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>>254261232
>mfw I am a dog

>>254261519
Not if it means shitty music.

>>254257835
Not him, but what would you ask someone with a PHD specialization in Condensed Matter Physics?

>>254261598
Well I hope you get so fat that you can't lick your own junk anymore.

Lack of great writing. Seriously, tons of renown authors saying they want to write a video game and none get hired for the dirt cheap cost they would be, because some asshole who has been doing lead design for the past 20 years is still banking on the success of his first title, even though everything else has been trash since.

>>254261519
Music does more for the atmosphere than graphics.

>>254261780
How condensed do you like your matter?

>>254261206
I agree gameplay >story >graphics>music

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>>254261578
so your most hated thing is /v/

>>254251959
no local mutiplayer just online

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And honestly, I am still amazed every time I open a new game and find no manual. It instantly feels like I bought a cheap piece of shit from the flea market.

I was AMAZED that the ME3 N7 Edition didn't have a manual. Made it feel like such a complete waste of money. Cue my face a day and a half later when the Citadel teleported to Earth.

>>254261714
>>254261889
I talking about having all of them high tier. Not one lower then the other.

>>254261946
You haven't been around long enough to remember a time before.

>>254261929
A decent amount, but not enough to be offensive in polite company.

The general trend towards realism, shooters (especially FPS), and attempting to be movies. The "cinematic experience" really is toxic for videogames.

I have nothing against the FPS genre or the shooter genre in general, there's nothing inherently wrong with them, it's just that the market is completely saturated with them, and for the most part their art styles or rather, graphical styles, are trying to mimic real life.

>>254262026
Oh fuck, I forgot about that. Or the manual is like 3 pages. You feel like they don't even care about their product or you.

Anyways, off to take a lunch. Good talking with you anons.

>>254261946
In his defense /v/ is full of terrible people

>>254261418
Big Band.

Also
>prove me wrong
That's not how burden of proof works, faggot.

>>254262089
Oh, so Gameplay = Music = Graphics = Story.

The only game I know of that did this was Mega Man 4.

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Videogames are not being made with love anymore.
Its all about money now.
Sure I know that as businesses they have to make money, but they cared about what they pumped out. There is zero control nowadays.

>>254258245
Kids have the intelligence of particularly stupid rocks, so it is fine.

>>254252283

This is a close second. What I hate is the shoehorning liberal political agendas and trying to appeal to feminazi cunts.

>>254262089
Ah, misunderstood.

>>254262201
I agree, realism in gaming is over rated

>>254253481
That's what Kickstarter is for, publishers wouldn't approve.

I hate how short games are getting and how they lack replayability. Short 1player mode, no secrets, no unlockables, no depth to the mechanics, no reason to really play it again. Too many games feel like one long treck to point A to point B that takes a few hours, instead of games with actual design.

>>254253408
This one bugs me too.

early access

>>254251959
Two words:
"Cinematic experience"

>>254251959
multiplayer games full of tryhards using tactics they've seen on twitch streams that they suck to bad to actually pull off

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That they're trying to be films constantly. It's ok if the game is inspired by a film genre, but having half the game "emotional" pre-rendered cutscenes which look like they're trying to go for fucking Academy Awards isn't acceptable.
They're fucking GAMES, not EXPERIENCES and certainly not FILMS.
If someone walked up to you with a new version of Chess where you load a Blu-Ray with a 30 minute cutscene of "dramatic" "character development" for each turn and when someone is about to get a checkmate, you throw the board on the floor and discuss the "experience", you'd tell them to fuck off.

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>>254261889
I wish I could hug you, anon.

Spikey walls

Games seem to be afraid to be fun anymore. Everyone wants to tell a story, lure you in with the plot.

What happened to video games being purely about fun? Why did we get bogged down in appealing to the masses and social issues/justice/racism?

>Leveling, skill unlocking, and RNG in FPS and other action genres

>Pay2win taking over everything

>DLC replacing expansions

>The retarded sjw attacks over there not being enough women and/or minorities form people who never liked them until the BBT anyway

>>254262220
Manual is basically the seizure warning. But every since I was like 3 years old, I was reading and re-reading videogame manuals. I loved trying to find clues to secret levels or items long before you encountered them and shit like that.

Next time I have some money I'm just going to buy a bunch of late 90's strategy guides so I can get the old experience of reading about how a game plays in depth.

The biggest thing is that the case feels light, flimsy, empty now. I feel like I have purchased an insubstantial product. Like you probably never treated those free games from Cereal boxes very nicely, because the packaging was shit and the artwork was shoddy. Same with demo discs. But I threw down a hundred dollars and you can't even give me a fucking manual? Never again will I buy a new game, at this rate. And I bought MGS1 and Goldeneye on Day 1, motherfucker. Countless other massive titles, but still.

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There are thousands of things to hate, but I'll just go with one:

The sheer lack of any passion or love for the craft of making a great game. You don't get games like Thief anymore (just as an example). I don't even think most developers like video games, I think they just like movies - and shitty hollywood ones at that.

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>>254254654
>>254252027

>>254262575
this
Was just about to post this.

>>254251959
AAA titles and hypefags who think they're amazing

>>254259417
it was commonplace for PC RPGs and RTS to add new mini-campaigns and scenarios for free, multiplayer shooters would add official maps for free. Large amounts of new content would be bundled together and sold as expansions, not given out piecemeal and charging 10-15 bux each. They also would put out mod tools and map editors as opposed to today where many publishers are creating a closed system where the only new content is official and you have to pay for it.

God damn do I miss the 1995-2003 era of PC gaming. It was supposed to get better /v/, not worse ;_;

>>254262795
>I was reading and re-reading videogame manuals

The Age of Empires II manual was great for this.

Anyone get the feeling that people in threads like these don't play many games?

A lot of them coming out in recent years don't have any of these problems.

>>254251959
/v/irgins give Nintendo too many excuses for every one of there fuck ups. Its truly disgusting

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>>254262878
>>254262026
>Paying for video games

>>254262575
Holy shit. That image.
Fucking hell.
It's like they're intentionally trying to make the mass medium a bunch of fucking fags or lazy shits. If they had movies like rocky and rambo when i was growing up, it would have motivated to be more active. Now I'm relying on myself to be more active way later than I would have liked.

>>254263092
Like what? Dark Souls maybe, but what else?

>>254259415
At least they understand their fucking audience. Can you say the same of your favorite genre?

>>254261418
The Dark Souls DLC with Artorias might as well been an expansion

>>254261206
...what do yo like?

>>254251959
Everything is fps
Protagonists all have a similar gruff five o clock shadow looking MC
""Realism"", graphics and cutscenes have become more important than actual gameplay, ai in games has progressed a lot slower than other aspects
People who portray Valve as the second coming of jesus

>>254263220
>It's like they're intentionally trying to make the mass medium a bunch of fucking fags or lazy shits.
Oh, but "they" are.
See: Cultural Marxism, "The Cathedral"

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>>254262821
My dream is to make fun video games, which sole purpose is to be fun. People on here would probably just call them shit if I ever get to live my dream, but I will still love you.

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>>254261578
Don't worry, there's still hope. They're getting tried of the same old same old.

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>>254262132
Lol, fuck I don't know. Something conceptual, probably from QM, not something easily googleable.

What does E in E=MC(squared) stand for? Something real hard like that.

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>>254251959
Nothing, i enjoy them just like i did back in 1990, even the shit ones like CoD,Battlefield,DS2 etc and the great ones like Stalker, HL2, RDR etc

if you weren't so elitist you could enjoy them.

The moviefication effect. Everything has to "EPIC" to be good. This in turn makes everything very similar and shitty.

Take too long to actually start. Probably gonna sound like an ADHD faggot but games these days keep having a half hour long forced tutorial or scripted sequence where your character is moving on their own talking to someone else before some major attack happens to push you into the tutorial sections to learn the controls and stuff. It ain't so bad the first time but on repeated runs it's annoying as fuck.

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>>254263402
>more people are playing Black Ops 2 and MW3 than Ghosts

Man, not even CoD fans liked that game.

Button prompts are part of the game instead of just for tutorial boxes. Fuck "cinematic" games.

>>254254723
Wargame: Airland Battle my friend, Wargame: Airland Battle ;)

>>254251959
Nintendo is still alive. Getting real tired of all these >muh subjective childish taste in fun faggots thinking that Nintendo and their billionth rehashes are relevant.

But that'll go away once the Pii u flops out of the market and Nintendo either modernizes their games or fucks off

>>254263141
>Being poor
sure living at parents house its fun at 24....

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>>254263092
Ah ok so none of the games coming out in these recent years don't have/aren't focused on
>DRM
>DLC
>Multi-player focused
>Money
>Press X to win
>Pandering to specific audiences
>Casualization
>Microtransactions
>Pay 2 win
>Day 1 DLC
>QTEs

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>>254263409
But you can easily use google to see that it's energy?

I'm confused, am I being trolled?

>>254263621
sure having parents who buy you games its fun at 24