Oh fuck this, I'm 27 hours in and can't take it anymore,

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>>253980985
I would just stop now. It isn't for you, which is a shame.

Innocent Sin is better than Eternal Punishment.

>>253981260

Goddamn, I dropped at Caracol boss fight, those Nazi flying tanks, I only bothered to summon 2 personas up to that point (the ones I wanted needed humongous amounts of cards that I totally wouldn't grind for), so I couldn't defeat them.

Guess I'll just watch the ending on Youtube now.

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>Start game
>Remember that even the anon that recommended it said the gameplay is ass
>"I'll endure it for Heart-tits"
>No Maya
>Go looking for the guidance counsellor
>No Maya
>Lisa is cute
>Still no Maya

It's just hard to go back to before glorious Press Turn.

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>>253983016
I find it easier since I don't like the press turn system.

>>253983273
I played a few of the games that came out on the DS, but not for very long.

I wish every series had a modding community as autis- I mean dedicated as the Morroblivion guys.

>>253983729
You better not be implying you had anything but undying passion for Strange Journey.

Welp, just watched the ending of IS, sad stuff, gonna try EP now, though I'm afraid that I'll end up dropping it as well if it has the same problems of IS.

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>>253986027
I honestly wouldn't even bother.

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>>253986357

Fucking hell.

It seems I have no choice but to play it after all, care to give me some tips to make the it less soul crushingly tiring?

Persona 1 and 2 have atrocious gameplay, downright some of the worst in the entire MT series.

The people who worship it are generally just doing so out of love of the concept, story, or simply a love of being a contrarian to P3/P4 because they're more popular.

If you want good characters, music, and more refined gameplay in another MT subseries, try Digital Devil Saga. They recently put DDS1 and DDS2 on PSN.

I'd almost recommend the Raidou Kuzunoha games, but by all means their gameplay is pretty terrible in a different way (clunky action games rather than RPGs). Or, you could give Devil Summoner: Soul Hacker a try, though the characters/plot aren't as indepth.

>Gamestop selling SMTIV for $20
Sweet.
>Game has $27 of DLC
FUCKING GAMESTOP

>>253986867
Hey, IS is better than If.
And 3, holy fuck that game is bad.

You shouldn't need to rely on summoning persona in IS. Just use the handouts from Philemon

>>253986867

I actually loved both Devil Summoner 1 and 2, they were my first SMT games.

Dropping P2 is hurting so bad, I honestly wanted to enjoy it to the end.

>>253986027
IS's system is better on the PSP than decade old EP on the PS1,

It's a damn shame, also I enjoyed P2, just wish it used a fusing system instead. I didn't mind the combat, the fuse spells and the story is damn fun. But getting new Personas is a damn chore

>>253986876
can't wait for P5 to be dlc riddled

>>253986876
I dont own a DS so I wouldn't have known

but SMTIV has DLC?

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>>253986867
>Persona 1 and 2 have atrocious gameplay

>first person dungeon crawling
>guns with different ammunition types
>persona affinity systems
>demon negotiation with personality traits that help match what type of response to use
>everyone can use multiple personas
>two different story quest for persona 1
>both games tie together well in the end with many of the characters from 1 appearing in 2
>multiple armor slots for persona 1
>no stupid social link padding

Can you explain this to me because I'm struggling to see how persona 3 or 4 are anything but down-grades with dumbed down game play.

Don't worry about fusing up more Personas, the storyline ones are good enough that you can autobattle through the whole game, which you should be doing

>>253987745
SMTIV is 3DS, not DS. And yes, it's DLC riddled because it was produced when Index was dying.

>>253986867

wow dude fuck you, Raidou games are good.

>>253987802
P2 didn't have first person dungeon crawling

Demon negotiation was dumb and i'm glad its gone.

Everything else is cool and I missed in P3 and 4

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>>253988048
>Demon negotiation was dumb and i'm glad its gone.
>It's one the core game-play mechanics of the entire series
I like it because it's helping me ease me into the system, but that is your opinion

>>253988398
Yeah but the other games of the series give you a demon based on successful conversation

P2 gives you fucking cards, and you need to do like 20 of them to summon one persona

That being said, I still think demon persuasion is stupid, and Raidou had the best system in place

>>253982720
Keep going anon Maya is worth it.

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>>253989049

she's just so perfect

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>>253986993
I haven't played If, but I thought that was just a copy-paste of SMT1/2 mechanics, which I can still stomach more than P1/P2.

>>253987383
Have you done DDS then?

>>253987802
Having more mechanics doesn't mean having better implemented, better realized, or more satisfying mechanics.

>>253988398
It doesn't do a good job of "easing you into it" since it's so radically different and grindy. That and each game changes negotiation mechanics, and it's pretty shitty in the most popular SMT game that have it.

>>253980985
Eternal Punishment is far worse in terms of gameplay but better in terms of characters
Also if you're 27 hours in and haven't beaten it you're doing something wrong it's not very long at all

>>253986993
>Talking that much shit about 3.
Come on man.
That's not cool.

>>253989424
>Have you done DDS then?

Not yet, though I have both pirate copies here in some drawer, been planing to play them for a long time now. Should I start with Nocturne first then DDS after?

>>253989424
>since it's so radically different and grindy
I've been playing smt 1 and I'm not really seeing a difference expect that in p1 you can make demons flee if you scare them or inflict a status effect on them if you make them happy.

>>253986993

3, while having a weaker plot than 2, has great gameplay mechanics, It's really hard going back to 1/2 after playing it.

>>253990102
but the game play in 3 is devoid of so many things.

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>>253989541
>Also if you're 27 hours in and haven't beaten it you're doing something wrong it's not very long at all

I shit you not

>>253990318

It's simpler, I give you that, but it was for the best.

>>253990579
but why was it for the best?

>>253990425
You're right, I beat IS in 20 hours

>>253989238
IXQUIC THE GREAT WARRIOR IS BEST PERSONA,PROVE ME WRONG

I'm not much of a MegaTen player but I've noticed in the games I have played that the Guns never seem to do very much...what exactly is their main purpose supposed to be?

An easy turn when you don't have an ice skill to use on a fire demon, so you just use "ice bullet" for example?

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>>253989872
I'd go with DDS1/2 just because it'd be a bigger change of pace in gameplay along with having a chance of outdoing the parts you liked of Persona 2.

With Nocturne, you'd be getting rid of the bad gameplay for something better yet a bit similar, though the demon negotiation is some of the worst in the series. But there's almost no story/characters worth speaking of.

>>253991301
In some games some demons can only be damaged by guns

>>253991301
Really? In my experience guns tend to be overpowered, Strange Journey and DDS being exceptions

>>253990667

Well, they:

>Removed random encounters
>Simplified the whole Persona summoning process
>Removed demon negotiations, which seem fun in the first hours in past games, but ended up turning into a chore as you progressed
>Simplified the dungeon crawling part, which was, for the most part, pointless in P2 (remember looking for bombs just so that Leo guy explode the buildings anyway? or the Giga Macho store?)

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>>253991301
A human-exclusive attack non-reliant on stats for the damage output usually, giving more variety in the types of damage you can do.

I like it because it lets me make a human who can provide offensive support despite their strength, being in the back row and still able to do some damage if they don't know magic. Alternatively, it's rewarding when you pour levels into Strength and end up with a human whose melee is stronger than their guns.

>>253991339
>though the demon negotiation is some of the worst in the series.

Lord have mercy, I'll go with DDS 1 and 2 then, thanks a lot for the tip, you just saved me from more heart crushing disappointment.

How about playing P2 with cheats on a phone emulator? Just to skip the grind and get the story

>>253990425
Christ man, that's pretty awful, have you just been getting lost at every opportunity or some shit?

>>253991759
Random encounters in RPGs nowadays just plain piss me off

>>253991759
>simplified the Persona summoning process
When you say it like that it doesn't sound like a boon but by God it is, minmaxing personas in P3/4 (especially P4G) is actually fun

>>253992046
I did that

>>253992102
Then you better not play DDS or smt games in general

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>>253989541
nigga I had like 68 hours gameplay on IS
I got all the legendary weapons and shit but still it was decently long especially not being padded with s link shit

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>>253992046
>cheats

But that's not nice, anon

>>253992423
Did you get any Fool?
Getting them was so fucking bullshit.

>>253992040
If you do ever get to it, just know: It is the most random in the series. There's really no personality reading involved, choices and items you give will give different responses every time from the same demon for no reason. The goal is getting demons who have negotiation-related/command skills, but it's still just ehh then.

>>253992102

It all depends on their rate, if it's abusive, then the fun part of gaming becomes non-existent.

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>>253992046
I'm thinking about it instead of grinding for a certain Persona to beat the Metal Lisa/Eikichi/Jun in EP so I can finish this fucking game already

>>253992760
No fuck that, I'm not a masochist.

>>253986867
>Persona 1 and 2 have atrocious gameplay, downright some of the worst in the entire MT series.

P1 had the best gameplay of the entire Persona series. I was disappointed when 2 dumbed it down so far, only for 3 to completely kill the series.

>>253990860
Wait, wasn't that the brown loli?

>>253993698
Yeah

>>253988048
>Demon negotiation was dumb and i'm glad its gone.

I wish people like you were gone

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Can people tell me how to finish P3? I am about to give up and try P4.

I fucking loved P2, shit was fun as fuck, dungeon layouts were alright. Story was great.

However I am like 20 hours in P3 and it is becoming a chore and I loathe pretty much everything about this game.

The dungeon layout is the same fucking shit recycled over and over and over again.

Shadow designs are fucking god awful and seems like they did this to save money.

Not many characters are enjoyable. Too much social sim for my liking.

Main complaint is the dungeon layout and tartarus. It is so fucking god awful and lazy. How the fuck do people like this shit?

will I enjoy P4? Is Tartarus in P4? If not do the dungeon layouts get better?

>>253989541
>>253990425
>>253990710
It took me around 32 hours to beat IS. I don't know why I always take so long with these games even though I never get stuck.
For comparison, I'm at Naoto's dungeon and I already clocked in 30 hours of gameplay.

>>253993772
So this is from EP? Fuck, I've only finished IS but it seems like I already spoiled myself unwillingly.

>>253980985
I'm with you OP, i'm 25 hours in and i can't deal with this slow bullshit anymore. I got to this insufferable caracol piece of shit dungeon and i don't have the patience to deal with it.

>Persona 2 thread
Huh, convenient.

Would I be missing out on anything playing Eternal Punishment first? Shit is on sale on PSN right now, wouldn't mind seeing how it is since I enjoyed P3FES, SJ, and SMT4.

>>253994019
tartarus is not in p4 but the dungeons aren't any better

>>253994019
Tartarus isn't in 4, different dungeons, but similar design, of hallways, the aesthetics are different, and i guess some dungeons have some sort of trick to em

Social simmy though

>>253994226
No, that picture is from IS

>>253994019
Persona 4 is the same shit but chunked into far more manageable, 10 level dungeons that change each story beat.

It also actually has something resembling a plot compared to P3.

>>253994019
P4's as much if not worse about the social sim aspect, and all of the characters are fairly happy-go-lucky if you can stand stereotypical teen writing.

It also recycles a lot of the P3 shadow designs.

>>253987802
I liked P1, except for ENCOUNTERS EVERY STEP

>>253994308
Just emulate the PSP version of Innocent Sin.

>>253994780
So avoid Eternal then?

>>253994308
You will miss Maya's characterization because she is silent in EP
Just pirate IS

>>253994308
>Would I be missing out on anything playing Eternal Punishment first?

Yes, lots.

Play Innocent Sin first, otherwise some things in Eternal Punishment won't have the same impact. Also, be sure to have a lot of patience, since both games didn't age very well (if you are reading the thread you might have noticed this already).

>>253994932
>So avoid Eternal then?

No, EP is the direct sequel of IS.

Ever played Shadow Hearts 2 and watched the ending? it's kinda like that.

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>>253994763
Estoma is an ability that wards off weaker foes, use in combination with demon negotiation for pic related

>>253995252
>implying I still didn't get millions of encounters

>>253994019
P4 has almost exactly the same dungeon layouts, and is a pretty faithful sequel in general. If you don't like P3, odds are you won't like P4.

>>253989541
Eternal Punishment has worse gameplay than IS? How did they manage that? I already decided never to play IS after discovering it had worse gameplay than most NES RPGs, how could they make the sequel even worse?

>>253996142

He was comparing EP to the IS PSP remake, which is understandable, considering that the former is a decade older.

>>253996142
You actually have to grind in EP since handouts can't carry you.

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>27
>still posting on /v/

>>253996738

You've been smoking that shit again, didn't you, Ivan?

>>253996738
Man the only time he even says 27 is "27 hours" as in he played the game he's talking about that long

how bad is your reading comprehension

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>>253993462
It definitely had the best dungeons at least. I was so disappointed by the fact that they switched to third person dungeon crawling, and randomly generated dungeons are the worst.

>>253994019
>Not many characters are enjoyable. Too much social sim for my liking.
>Too much social sim for my liking
Oh man, if you think P3 is bad about this...

>>253996738
>Being so underage you're not even 30 yet

Get out

>>253987802
BUT ITS TOO SLOW, WHY AM I IN DUNGEONS ALL THE TIME I WANT TO TALK TO MY FRIENDS MORE WAHHH

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEL29W3PFBU

post more music ho

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>>254000297
YOU'RE GOING TO KILL THE PERSONIFICATION OF ALL EVIL AND LIKE IT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfjLIrOLMJs

>>253988912

And Raidou dropped it for demon negotiation in 2.

>>253990425

>Emulator

No wonder you think it's taking so long.