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Are there any video games with endings that undermine the entire plot?

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Are there any video games with endings that undermine the entire plot?
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Bioshock infinite
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silent hill downpour
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TF2
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Fight Club.

...

Oh wait, that whole game undermines itself.
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Dark Souls
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Mass Effect 3
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Bioshock Infinite
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>>253526749
>>253526889
How?
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>>253526761
Only the very good ending did that.
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>>253526924

you kill yourself in the past so the game did not happen.
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>>253526854
Not only did it undermine the plot, but the whole game.

If the ending was different it wouldn't have gotten nowhere near the amount of hate
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Sanic 06
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>>253526702
Sonic 06.
It's for the better really.
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>>253526924
Drowning one Booker doesn't fix anything because there are still an infinite number of universes where he still goes on to become Comstock.
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Entire plot shit the bed in the last hour of the game
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>>253526702
AC III
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Star Ocean 3
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Ocarina of Time since apparently the only thing keeping you from simply going back home and fixing everything is finding Zelda...but you can travel back in time anyway.
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>>253527229
All "Comstocks" die because Booker is drowned before he accepts the baptism.


>>253527020
Eh, I wouldn't call that undermining since the story continues with the original Elizabeth.
The plot just ignores the time-travelling paradox
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Final Fantasy 8. Come to think of it, every Final Fantasy but 6 and maybe 4.
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Star Ocean 3 you tykes.
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The 3rd Birthday.

Fuck everything else, that ending was cool had it not ruined the entire game and series.
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Wild Arms 5 just because it pulls Time Travel out of nowhere and one character is forced to live the events of that game for all eternity

god I was pissed
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>>253527759
Final Fantasy _1_
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>>253527679
>All "Comstocks" die because Booker is drowned before he accepts the baptism.

but then it also creates a parallel world where Booker was not drowned before becoming Comstock and this cause the events of the game happens.

IT DON'T EVEN FOLLOW IT'S OWN "LOGIC"
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>>253527630
You could only travel back in time to the point when you pulled the Master Sword. Zelda sent you back to before she had you open the Door of Time.
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>>253527679
Yes, but what I'm saying is that, according to the way the game defines the rules of the multiverse there are still an INFINITE (more than a quadrillion trillion, literally an unending amount) of universes in which Booker isn't drowned. There are still trillions upon trillions of Comstocks out there.

Literally none of the events in the game matter because a single universe is completely insignificant.
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Battleblock Theater
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>>253527759
8 was a mess once Ultimecia came out of nowhere in disc 3 and the shitty romance happened
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>>253527679
Not only does it undermine the story, the original Elizabeth is still alive I believe, and there are a bunch of other parallel universes with Booker. That's what Burial at Sea is about I believe.

I haven't finished BAS yet, but it seems that Booker once again lost a girl due to gambling, and Elizabeth is there to help them reunite, probably because she's been through the same thing before, in the original game.

So Bioshock Infinite does not undermine itself at all.
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>>253528580
I think the Infinite DLC shits on the other Bioshocks.

Something about one of the characters being Elizabeth using some gender change Tonic
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Kingdoms of alamour
rouge galaxy
asscreed 3
darksiders 2
fallout nv
fable 3
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>>253526702
MGS3
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SMB2
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>>253528417
The booker you play is a real Booker. He doesn't go through with the baptism, thus he isn't drowned out of existence.

>>253528580
It's more complicated. I hope you finished Bioshock 1.
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>>253528423
But Zelda still insists on killing Ganondorf first for some reason even when you meet her. And that was before the timeline shit.
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Ghosts 'N Goblins
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>>253529612
Is there such a thing as a "real" Booker when parallel universes are involved?
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>>253528548
It was still comfy as fuck.

Dat Esthar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fCa_B_A98I
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>>253527091
>>253527117
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>>253529781
>Actually beating Ghosts 'N Goblins
>Not realising it was a huge joke and that you were the punchline
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>>253529781
The way I differentiate is: A real booker doesn't grow through with the baptism and becomes an alcoholic detective
A Comstock grows a beard and becomes a prophet
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>>253526854
thisX1,000

They originally promised 16 different endings tailored to your choices throughout the 3 games.

They give you a choice of 3 endings that are not affected by your in-game choices.

THANKS FOR THE PILE OF SHIT EA
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>>253530049
there is a difference between "betraying it's own 'logic' " like what Bioshock Infinite did and "it never happened" like Sonic 06
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prince of persia

but it was still satisfying
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Heavy rain
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>>253526854
>We'll give you a choice on how to handle us, Shepard!

>Fuck, we'll just LET YOU kill us all at this moment, I don't even care.
>Or take control of us, that's cool too. I mean we only spent the last two games trying to kill you all, but whatever.
>Or we merge because... I don't fucking know, just because DON'T QUESTION IT.
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>>253530581
eh that's not what happens
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>>253530159
Unfortunately there's nothing in the game to distinguish this other than "because the writer said so"

Especially with Burial at Sea which throws the whole entire "Drowning Booker killed all the Comstocks" theory out the window
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Silent Hill Homecoming
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>>253530923
It feels like that's what happens.

Reapers basically just roll over for you.
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What would have ultimately changed if she had simply died at the start?
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Catherine.

Which is a good thing because it fixed the plot holes.
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>>253526854
This.
I still want to know why they bitched out of the obvious conclusion that was built up from game one right up until those last 10 minutes.
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who here has played any of the tak games, 90% of people ive asked dont know what this is and i really love this game the platforming is great, the music is godly, and the art in general is eye candy that makes you want to dry-gasm when you meet the artists
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>>253526980
every ending did that except for maybe one of the neutral bad endings
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>>253531139
Well, I guess that's where
>>253528441
comes in.

The only Comstocks that can be affected are those that drown by Elizabeths hands - and the Elizabeth of the BaS-booker died as a baby.

It's a bit far-fetched, though. Maybe the writers really didn't give a shit
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>>253528532
The ending was too sad for me to laugh at the musical number.
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>>253528096
>The 3rd Birthday.
>Fuck everything else, that ending was cool had it not ruined the entire game and series.

Toriyama's penis took too much control over the game
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>>253531801
>Maybe the writers really didn't give a shit

didn't the director outright state that he only out in the time travel bullshit to make the game seem "smart"

like what Hideo did with the Big Shell crap in MGS2?
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>>253532082
Levine said he was inspired by Dr. Manhattan

take of that what you will
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>>253532082
>>253532342
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>>253532342
That would explain why everyone was indifferent to the ending instead of angry.
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>>253532342
Who?
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>>253532475
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>>253532475
Levine
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>>253528548
>Ultimecia came out of nowhere in disc 3

>Main antagonist hiding in plain sight since Disc 1
>Ten years later you still fail to see the majesty of this game

Remove yourself.
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>>253532723
No, Dr Manhattan.

>>253532720
so naked blue guy?
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>>253526702
Mass Effect 3
The ending completely shit on the theme of all three games.
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>>253532032
Wholeheartedly agree. It was also a battle for me, between my penis and brain, because of Aya's outfits and the stupid plot.
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>>253532475
>being this underage
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999
I was digging it till the true ending. Fuck that bullshit
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>>253532825
Yeah.

Read watchmen already
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>>253532854
Except for Refusal.

I will still consider that canon
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>>253532769
>>Ten years later you still fail to see the majesty of this game

because it was boring and dull having to draw my ass off. It was such a let down from FF7 and 9

>>253532891
never read/saw Watchmen
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>>253526702
Still fucking mad.
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>>253532910
Glad to see someone else with sense around here.
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>>253532910
>that gif
wut?
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Assassin's Creed 3.
The ending of the game literally goes against everything you've learned about the Assassins vs Templar conflict (aka, freedom vs control) and is essentially a bad end in the eyes of every single one of your ancestors, your allies and literally everyone with a brain.
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>>253531242
She could have at least touched up the city a little bit before offing herself.
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>>253533084
I saw the ending of 3.

How the fuck is 4 possible?
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>>253532937
With Control you literally become a god.
On my second playthrough I've come to terms with that conclusion.
Space Jesus, died in game 1, was resurrected from the dead 3 years later in 2, ascended to godhood in 3.
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>>253532971
If I recall didn't Hideo want to end it there but some higher-up say it was too depressing and made him change it?
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>>253533084
Mind spoiling it? I don't want to watch a whole youtube video
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>CTRL+F
>NO FUCKING BLACKWELL
THE MOTHERFUCKING BLACKWELL SERIES
THAT SHIT WAS AMAZING UP UNTIL THE FULL RETARD ENDING, SHIT
AHHHHHH

At least I can appreciate their value as adventure games, still. The plot up until the ending of the fifth game is interesting enough.

Also, you should still play them.
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MDK.
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"We were in a video game all this time?"
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>>253532473
>>253532720
>>253532825
>>253532932
>>253532952

It's been awhile since I read Watchmen, but Manhatten could see the future up to a certain point as Tachyons emitted from what is assumed to be a Nuclear blast goes backwards in time and completely shrouds his future-vision-powers.

Where the fuck does that come up in Bioshock Infinite?
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>>253532475
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>>253533325
I never played 3 but I only remember some full retard shit with Aliens being behind human history.
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>>253532952
>It was such a let down from...9
8 comes before 9 you jackass
>dull having to draw my ass off
Mass Effect had Mako segments, Thief had zombie segments, Human Revolution had those boss fights. Only an entitled shitlord thinks an entire game sucks because of one flawed feature.

Also
>FF7
>good
Pick one
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Far Cry 3's "bad" ending
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>>253533529
>8 comes before 9 you jackass

I got my PS1 late (FF9 just came out) and FF7 was on the PC

>Only an entitled shitlord thinks an entire game sucks because of one flawed feature.
that is a key gameplay mechanic
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>>253533681
You're right, I'm sorry.
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>>253533483
It doesn't. In BaS the premise is that Elizabeth knew everything and still chose what happens
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Borderlands

>the mytical Vault has bountiful treasure beyond your wildest dreams!
>its just a bullet sponge tentacle monster that drops some cash and then you get a black screen

Fucking bullshit, I tell ya. So bad it made me hate a game (and series) that I otherwise enjoyed.
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>>253533325
Basically, you "have the choice" you can't choose anything else of either taking a solar blast to the face that is so powerful it will send the world back into a "stone age" OR you can free Juno, who will stop the solar blast from frying everything, then proceeds to enslave mankind because of reasons.

Desmond chooses to free Juno.
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>>253533590
The story wasn't about rescuing the friends, it was about the protagonist being awesome and them holding you back
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>>253529613
because he has to be stopped in every timeline because the timelines branch, when they stop ganondorf in the past that does not stop him in the other timeline
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>>253533285
Pretty much yeah. I still don't know why I accept that Big Boss shit as canon when none of it makes any fucking sense and retcons everything.
MGS is all about Snake defying his fate, or taking it into his own hands. he gets plaed like a bitch in MGS1 by everyone, but fights for what he believes in, or for Meryl so it's ok. MGS2, the Patriots control the flow of information, but Snake tells Raiden "You are whoever you want to be, because post-modernism." MGS4 would have been Snake not turning into a biological time-bomb, but he chose to kill himself before he let that happen.
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>>253531139
No check the scene where the Elizabeths show up to drown booker. Those elizabeths are from world where ahe already tried to kill combstock. One of those elizabeths was the one at the beheading of anna. Burial at sea 1 is the result of elizabeth earlier attempts to figure out how to get rid of comstock.
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>>253529612
He does go through the baptism though. That's how he gets into the city, faggot. Did you even pay attention?
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>>253534365
they are talking about the one in Booker's past where he decides to become Comstock
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>>253528908
>rogue galaxy

Holy fucking shit the ending made me mad as fuck

>protag is a descendant of THE most powerful being in the history of the galaxy and is able to tap into the power
>old faggot calls you a "commoner" while they take Kisala away

I'm still fucking mad to this day.
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Far Cry 3 if you picked the "good" ending
>WOO YEAH KILLING FEELS AWESOME
>Shit I'm a monster I shoved my thumb in my bro's bullet wound what the fuck
>20 minutes later
>FUCK YEAH I LOVE KILLING PEOPLE WITH THIS HELICOPTER GUNSHIP TO RIDE OF THE VALKYRIES
>5 minutes later
>Oh no killing horrible I'm such a bad person
Fuck you Jason Brody
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FF7
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>>253533875
well at least in 2 they take the piss out of it to a major degree. in one dlc they even make a crack about the ledge where you could cheat and kill crawmerax easily.
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>>253534586
did you miss the credits where they took her back?
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>>253534614
>implying either of the endings were good.
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>>253534921
Yeah they were both shit but I found it particularly annoying with the one I mentioned
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>>253534749
No, I'm mad that some old faggot has the audacity to call the most powerful being in the galaxy a "commoner" and act smug about it
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>>253532937
True, that's what i chose because it was the only one that made a lick of sense for just about any rendition of Shepherd.
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>>253534194
They aren't aware that the timeline branches. And correct me if I'm wrong if there has been an official statement, but the timeline branching isn't set, as in they all actually happen. They can be taken more as "What if...X" hypotheticals and the player just gets to glimpse the arc/play out the story as if it did happen.
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>>253534705
At least they know they made a shit game
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Not an ending, per se, but it's certainly relevant to this topic
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>>253535570
and the black screen is just icing on the shit cake
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>>253535374
no they all happen, Hyrule historia comfirms it, and I'm pretty sure Zelda knows it branches, being the owner of the triforce of wisdom
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>>253533206
4 is possible because at the end of 4, juno basically says "the world wasn't ready for me to take over yet, so i'm gonna wait a bit"

it was the most blatant infinite milking excuse i think i've ever seen, and while i already felt bad for people who actually followed the story after 3, i really felt bad for them after 4, since the only way they will ever see anything resembling a resolution to the story is if the games stop making a profit and ubisoft has to kill off the series. the fact that fanboys still defend that shit is unbelievable
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>>253535570
better than chrono trigger.
there, I said it.
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>>253535779
god, why is everything that is takes place outside of the Animus so fucking retarded
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>>253531146

And the war effort thing was pointless, it could have come into play in the extended ending, where you can reject all the options, instead rejecting the 3 retarded endings is "LOL YOU LOST"
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>>253534586
I'm usually the first one to defend characters having their own dialogue, but at that moment I would have loved an option to say "I AM A LIVING GOD GIVE ME YOUR PRINCESS SO I MAY IMPREGNATE HER"
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I think dr manhattan is possible the shittiest character of all time.

He has infinite power, probably the most over powered character in all of fiction, and he squanders it.
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>>253536179
I don't know man, comic Deadpool is pretty OP.
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FFX-2 undermines the ending to FFX and FFX-2's ending is undermined by that god awful novel.
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>>253535870
Nice bait
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>>253528441

This. This is my problem with most multiverse plots.

I'm ok with fixing our own universe because we're living in it (by our, I mean the one the protagonists are in)... but when we start fixing the problems of more than one, I start thinking "hey, what about all those universes where the Earth got hit by a meteor and all life died, and the ones where the Nazi's won WW2, and all those other much worse ones."
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>>253536179
>probably the most over powered character in all of fiction, and he squanders it

Except for every fucking Marvel and DC character, and they're much less realistic about what they do with it.
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>>253535720
>This is an introduction to the history of Hyrule, told chronologically, which weaves together the numerous Legend of Zelda stories. Is it a legend? Is it an accurate history of a cycle of rebirth? There is evidence that the story of The Legend of Zelda begins with Skyward Sword.

>This chronicle merely collects information that is believed to be true at this time

Can you point me to where it says that they all happen? I think it's open to interpretation about what actually does happen and (until shown otherwise) believe that the split timelines are "what if" scenarios.
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...Nier?
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>>253536179
That is the point dude. He is powerful but is not much of a credit to humanity as he is a galactic neet.
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>>253532971
>This comic

Every fucking time. Whoever created this was/is a genius.
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>>253536179
What about the interdimensional guy with the unpronounceable name who only lives to troll superman?
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apparently Persona Q
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>>253536583
well the evidence is that zelda insists on defeating ganon before sending you back in time.
if they are what ifs, then it does not make sense.
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>>253532910
what was the point in breaking the fucking window
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>>253528321
AND TWO
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>>253530923
eh that's basically what happens you bioware loving faggot.
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>>253536984
Well here is a quote from the Hyrule Historia that leads me to believe that different timelines are in fact simply possibilities, not parallel timelines with different occurrences.

>If the Hero of Time is defeated, a different timeline will unfold. (Turn to page 92.)

Note the 'if' part, which I would assume implies that none of the timelines "happen" but if they did theoretically happen, that's how the events on that timeline would be placed.
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MGS4

It's an 90-minute cutscene that proceeds to shit over the entire franchise.
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>>253537416
The 'if' part IS an alllusion to parallel universes though. That's how the theory works.
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>>253534229
>none of it makes any fucking sense and retcons everything.
It makes perfect sense before and there have only been minor retcons.

>MGS4 would have been Snake not turning into a biological time-bomb, but he chose to kill himself before he let that happen.
The MGS saga as a whole seems to be conveying the theme that everyone is constrained by destiny and has to make the best of it with what they can. That's why despite Snake being optimistic in MGS1/2, he ends up being manipulated and controlled all the way until the end of MGS4 and is basically a tool. It's also why Bis Boss will eventually fall from grace and become a mad villain despite Elisa believing in him and him trying to fight for peace.
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>>253532769
Nah, he is right. the game is pretty shit.
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>>253537639
Where is it stated that it strictly has the meaning that there are parallel universes? Where does it state that they aren't simply possible outcomes and that each timeline actually exists?
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>>253538338
But 'possible outcomes' is what parallel worlds precisely means. That's one theoretical idea of what parallel worlds are. That the one you get to experience validates each world.
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>>253537673
No one thinks any of it makes any fucking real sense. MGS series is a popcorn flick. Do you think kojima cares about the series? He has been trying to get out of it since MGS1.
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E.Y.E: Divine Cybermancy (maybe?)

The Old Republic
Mass Effect 3
Metal Gear Solid 4
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>>253537685
Yes kind man.
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Fallout 3
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Enslaved

Game is a massive pile of shit. The only thing going for it was the character driven story until they pull some bullshit with a twist ending. The game just fucking stops and we get nothing from it.

M Night Shamalamadingdong would cringe
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>>253526854
There really isnt a better example of this this than Mass Effect 3
Not only did it undermine the story of it's own game, it undermines the story of an ENTIRE TRILOGY.
AND on top of that, for those who followed the story and found out for themselves, the had to make a $180 investment overall AT LEAST
It's just shit on all levels, "undermine" is a gross exxageration
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>>253527229
>There's an infinite number of universes where each of us are Comstock
>In an infinite number of those we are named Comstock
>In a vastly larger infinite number of those we are named something else entirely, but commit the same acts.
>There is currently an infinite number of mes typing this exact same message, but with different hair styles
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>>253539184
>exxageration
i meant understatement
fuck
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>>253533498

Do you have the "For god's sake, Laurie, swallow it or spit it out, just don't swish it around like a mouthful of Listerine" one?
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Jet Set Radio
It didn't help that the remake was worse
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>>253537416
>Reading the English one
There's no if in the Japanese version. That's an issue of translation and temporal language in English. In Japanese, this issue doesn't arise, and there is no conditional language.
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>>253539317

>There are an infinite number of yous typing this exact same message except you're a grill
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>>253539728
There sure is, Anon. There sure is.
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>>253535570

Thanks for shitting on a game I loved, killing the characters, and then saying that it's just not for me anymore after getting called out, Kato. You blind prick.
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>>253526702
MGS2
although that was kind of the point
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>>253527480
>Charles Lee burned down my village and killed my mother
>What's that? Lee is innocent and it was Washington who did it?
>Gee, I better kill Lee anyway and then play bocce ball with G-Wash (this actually happens)
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KOTOR 2
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>>253541121
that deosnt really count does it? The game was clearly rushed and unfinished
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>>253526702

Deus Ex HR.

You literally push a button to get the ending you want.
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>>253538718
wtf? A retard cosplaying as a bat signal?
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>>253536631
To be fair that was kinda the point
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>>253541381
>>253541121
And more importantly, it wasn't rushed by the studio developing it, but by LucasArts. It was supposed to have an epic ending as planned by Obsidian.
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>>253541589
the ending (illuminati shit) was the worst part. But because it was the plot to the original game, they had to include it.
Giving a choice to how things turn out for a fucking prequel is stupid as well because there is already a canonical "correct" answer.
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