And, as years go by and no EP3/HL3 is announced, the mystery still remains.
What is inside it, /v/?
>Just wait until E3 2014
>Just wait until E3 2013
>Just wait until E3 2012
>Just wait until E3 2011
>Just wait until E3 2010
>Just wait until E3 2009
>Just wait until E3 2008
>Just wait 7 months
Well, its quite possible that the aperture sciences seen in the portal games are not from the same dimension as the Half Life games.
Half life could have the only serious Aperture Science.
Valve it's just taking it slowly. Perfection requires time.
I think the borealis has some kind of weaponized portal / teleport hybrid technology. Something incredibly dangerous.
but the longer they take the more hype it generates at this rate we'll all have to be dead a buried for that to happen but by then all the kiddies wont even give a fuck about valve or half life
Remember how mindfucked you were when you saw the amazing detail of Gman's face in 2004 and couldn't believe that graphics could look like that?
That's what they're going for. Source 2.
>What is inside it, /v/?
Nice quads, but no. The Portal universe revolves around a scientific organization who, after a certain point of despair, lured homeless people into sadistic experiments that almost always resulted in death, and was later taken oven by a turned-psychotic AI who murdered every employee with neurotoxine.
So no, just because it has a horrible fanbase of "le cake and potatoe maymays XDDD" 12-year-olds, that doesn't mean it isn't an incredibly dark universe.
Which is basically just the Oculus Rift
Not even shitting, whether you or I think it's a gimmick or not, VR technology is the next big thing in gaming to the masses and the enthusiasts
Now that it's known about, you can bet HL3 will be launched and primarily advertised on this stuff
Portal is not that cartoony ass.
It's much more creepier than Portal 2.
The whole facility felt creepy and isolated even before Glados tried to kill you. Those empty observation rooms gave me the creep because it felt like someone might be me.
Valve has no commercial incentive to release Ep.3 or HL 3. They make enough money with steam, Hat Simulator 2 and pretty pretty princess gun dressup. Why would they take the risk with a big AAA title when their current shekel farming scheme is far more profitable than it could ever be?
I think they confirmed that portal 1 takes place around the same time as the half life series.
Glados even comments about the surface being fucked.
It's why they shoved portal 2 an undefined time into the future, to disconnect it from half life.
So, spoilers, no matter what happens at the end of half life 3, the planet will have a breathable atmosphere, still be mostly covered in water and will have at least one field of crops.
It contains my hope for the future of video games, It's been lost for quite some time now.
i already don't give a fuck about half life. its games were great in the context of when they came out, but pretty mediocre by today's standards. /v/ would call it shit if you all didn't have nostalgia goggles on
Someone with webm post next.
Valve doesn't make games anymore, they rely on trading cards and other market items purchased by the legion of idiots that make up the majority of steam.
>mfw CS:GO fags that don't play for fun but for crate/sticker/weaponskin drops (to not sell but to show-off) are in the same game with me.
never really understood why people keep saying ep3, gabe n already confirmed they were dropping the episodic model years ago
i think what was supposed to happen is source engine was supposed to get phased out by some bigger and better engine, and hl3 was going to feature it. but, with the way they've been playing it (or at least the way it seems) they have been upgrading source engine so much that they probably outgrew their interests in continuing the series. instead theyre focusing on le dota and steamOS
I meant that they shoved the portal canon so far into the future that nothing from it (Beyond the events of portal 1 and the events that happen inbetween the games) will effect the half life canon unless they involve time travel.
HL3 is coming out this year, and it's going to be a surprise announcement with no fanfare, no press junkets, no anything.
1. Valve has released a game literally every year since 2001. They haven't released anything yet, and all the major game conventions have passed.
2. Why does everyone forget about that leaked JIRA that fucking confirmed that at 56 people at Valve are actively developing HL3? And that was last year!
3. All of those "3" hints in all of the Valve videos.
>All of those "3" hints in all of the Valve videos.
You realize that is now just a running joke and it's probably safe to bet that it doesn't actually mean anything other than Valve goes on the internet, right?
>implying its not going to be a launch title for steam machine or source 2 or both
they know people are going to eat this shit up no matter how disappointing half life 3 is. they also know its been way over hyped and there is no way it will live up to expectations. so they're holding off to generate maximum hype so they can make a ton of money selling hl3 along with as much other hardware/software they can. because after that its over, golden age of pc gaming will be finished and valve will never be the same again.
Also, >>253361134. The feeling of isolation and constant observation in the first game is brilliantly well-done. While it's hard to deny that Portal 2 is a better game in nearly every aspect, it just wasn't that immersive when it comes to displaying the loneliness of being in a huge abandoned laboratory.
You've heard of Half Life 3. We all have, the legend, the curses. Some foolishness about it releasing just next year. A year of hopes. Buried beneath a blood-red steam... a bright, shining monument luring gamers to their doom. An illusion that you can play again, get your closure. Waiting for it, though, that's not the hard part. It's letting go...
valve literally created an infinite hype generator
they dont even have to touch hl3, they just need to keep toying with us to make us grip onto false hope so we keep using valve things
not that i mind using valve things, but i mean cmon...
gordons wife was a spy for BM.
they had a daughter by the name of chell.
wife infiltrates AS.
AS bring your daughter to work day.
cave dies but puts his trusted cowoker (gordons wife) into glados FORCEFULLY and against her will.
glados kills all of AS.
gordon loses his wife and daughter in one day.
he becomes mute and distant of his coworkers at BM.
>yfw you load up steam and the announcement is a hl3 logo, countdown timer and a preload button.
A giant portal gun. The kind that can transport the entire combine empire in one swoop. Thats why the combine want/need it. Theyre not having great success taking over earth, so they need more numbers.
If it was a fake Valve would say something about it, Valve gave Valvetime those leaks just like they did the Episode 3 concept art. I'm almost positive Valve is "leaking" shit like this themselves to let the dedicated know its coming
Gamescom, its coming
Do you guys think they're going to include a dynamic lighting element to their engine? I don't know how it works: are a lot of modern engines built with that capacity, and devs just don't bother or is it vice-versa?
All I know is that I would thrust my money down Gabe's pants if they make that an active inclusion in their games. Playing L4D3 with dynamic lightning in and of itself makes the game more immersive, despite the less-realistic feel the series has been going towards.
i kinda want it to come out,but then again i dont.
no doubt it will not live up to the hype,the series is really great so far,but there is the chance Valve could fuck it up.
i dont know man its just weird,this is a series to be considered one of the best of all time,its kinda hard to make sequeals while keeping that kind of prestige
>we'll never know what it was
Being a fucking amazing game for its time? I wasn't around PC gaming at the time but watching a lot of videos I think it was just the quality of their product build... and probably it was just a really fun game and great story.
Portal 1 was before the 7 hour war, Portal 2 was years after. Reactivated Glados talks about the Combine in Portal 2 and how you really don't want to know what's going on up there.
That's bull. Gordon's only in his twenties. To graduate high school, get a PhD, get married, have children, and find a job with a crazy science facility in such a short time, and balance all that shit? Next to impossible.
Yeah my fear is that it's going to be infected with motion blur and bloom characteristics but I don't really think Valve can stoop that low, despite their recent business practices.
But the Combine had already won and taken over the planet years before Gordon showed up at the train station. With Aperture involved, would assume that there is some sort of portal technology on the ship though.
>Implying it won't be snow physics
The future is now, anon
Also >>253364981, dynamic lighting is the holy grail
I wish people would stop clamoring about HL3, I know some of you have woken up to the idea that Valve isnt the developer it once was, but the everyday shitter still wants HL3 and thinks it will hold up to the previous titles.
Expect a "cinematic experience"
There was a game that tried this and IIRC it was a multiplayer game as well. It used those Physx dedicated physics cards, and the entire map was blown to shit every single time. It was a disaster, players just cannot use a fully destructible environment in any way that is fun.
Don't you understand? The half life series ended, the Combine won, on Earth at least.
After closing the portal, the advisors sucked out Eli's brain and learned all the secrets of the resistance. From this they were able to crush the remaining human force and re-open the portal. Gordon was either killed or put in stasis by the G-man in order to fight on another world the combine try to invade.
But humanity didn't die out, just civilization. After potentially thousands of years Chell wakes up in the Aperture labs deep underground. The field she sees is the result of the agricultural revolution of a new human civilization.
Humanity will never evolve further than this due to the presence of headcrabs and other nasties and the lack of water from draining the oceans.
Glados said that at the end of Portal 1. It likely took place immediately after the 7 hour war. Portal 2 takes place who fucking knows how long after, because like >>253361393 said, it's so all the fucking crazy shenanigans like moon portals and whatnot don't become part of HL canon.
That's a technicality and doesn't address my question about modern engine standards.
Real dynamic lighting would be something akin to that F.E.A.R. .gif that's always posted, but on a larger scale in respects to how tech has advanced since then.
When they first added Portal to the HL universe it wasn't a problem. But then Portal 2 came out. And Portal 2 added this stupid le funny xD backstory to Aperture Science that I feel ruins the mood of the Half-Life universe.
We will, in Half Life 3.
>This experiment completely enraptured the audience. Upon seeing it, Newell remembers thinking, "F**k yeah!". This one experiment is said to have been worth stalling everything else at Valve for the three months of brainstorming.
>A few days after the science fair, Newell summoned Weier and the team to his office to ask them if they would be willing to look into making F-STOP a prequel to Portal, as he thought it was probably the big, unexpected idea that Valve needed for a sequel.
>players just cannot use a fully destructible environment in any way that is fun.
Top-notch graphics for its time (Not as revolutionary as 2's graphics but still great for the time), good gameplay and one of the craziest trips ever in a videogame, from a scientific laboratory to the weirdest dimension ever.
In many ways, it was truly the 2001: A Space Odyssey of vidya, mostly for how unique it was and for how fucking sensless and mind-fucking it got towards the end.
If anybody can pull off a cinematic experience, it's Valve. I mean, they basically fucking invented it with HL1 anyway. I guarantee you, all the crazy shit that Valve's been working on behind closed doors, like, I don't know, VR and sign language, will come together to turn the modern "cinematic game" formula on its head.
So basically HL3 will never get released now because they've waited too long and built up too much hype and expectations by letting it stay conspicuously silent.
But let's rewind the story. What happened with Episode 3 that caused it to originally get delayed eternally and then drop off the face of the earth? Everything was going great beforehand. Valve quickly releases episodes 1 and 2 at the proper times, and then... nothing. What was it about episode 3?
I disagree. Writing a GOOD time travel story is hard as hell. You have to determine what sort of time travel your story will use and the ramifications of what that entails, and keep the entire thing logically consistent.
Now, if you're talking about removing the multiple universe time travel shit and just taking the setting of Columbia and making a good story out of that, then yeah pretty much anybody could make a good story. The problem was that Levine changed his mind entirely about what the story was supposed to be a few months before it shipped, and he could not handle the concepts he was trying to write about. He fucked it up bad. Even if it was just retreading ground that Bioshock had already explored, it would still have been a better story than what we got.
You think they don't know?
Glados in Portal 1 mentions she's the only thing standing between "us and them"
them likely meaning the Combine. Glados managed to hold off the Combine and keep them out of Aperture.
I mean, for all of Aperture's unethical and deranged experiments, they did actually come up with some amazing shit- They created a fucking quantum tunneling device in the fucking 50's- technology that involves miniature black holes.
They also managed to invent/discover a substance that is effective for use as a surface for those portals. And, some time around the 90's digitized a Human mind.
Not to mention some of the other not quite as noteworthy, but nonetheless interesting stuff they created that you interact with in Portal 1 and 2.
>A few days after the science fair, Newell summoned Weier and the team to his office to ask them if they would be willing to look into making F-STOP a prequel to Portal, as he thought it was probably the big, unexpected idea that Valve needed for a sequel. Weier was a little shocked: Portal was such a sensation, such an outright phenomenon, no one wanted to be responsible for trying to one-up it.
>But as the team worked on F-STOP, it did not become Portal 2, and it would take Valve nearly a year of intense development before they figured that out.
You can just change it to this and it fits perfectly
>But as the team worked on F-STOP, it did not become Portal 2, but Half-Life 3
I get the feeling that all the episodes were being worked on simultaneously, but something really, really serious went wrong with episode 3 in the planning stage. Like, they could not accomplish what they wanted due to tech constraints or something. They must have literally had nothing by the time EP1 was done and presumably no more progress after EP2. That's probably why they kicked the development of other titles like TF2, Portal and L4D into high gear around ~2006, because they knew they'd need games to full the ever-expanding time gap for episode 3. And then, of course, things spiralled out of control with steam and TF2 hats and sequels and F2P and I wouldn't be surprised if Valve still hasn't gotten any work done on EP3. Or better yet, only Gabe has been working on EP3, and it will be his life's ultimate masterpiece, when it releases after he dies of heart failure in 10 years.
but source 2 is a new source engine. you can't call it 2.0 because that's implying that it's just a new version of source (which titanfall is a new version of source believe it or not) when in reality there's going to be as much of a difference in engine as there was from goldsrc to source.
Portal 2 takes place a LONG time after 1. Portal 2's events are irrelevant to the HL story as anything more than references to old Aperture's accomplishments, due to how long after 1 it is. Portal 1 is what takes place in the same timeframe as the HL series so far.
It should be worth noting that this is why the Combine are so set on getting whatever is inside the Borealis. Because they can't get into Aperture
Agreed, but it drives me crazy just thinking about what it was about Ep 3 that made them give up in the first place.
I've heard all kinds of stuff. People say "they couldn't think of anything revolutionary and knew it would just let people down" but that only applies when talking about HL3. The HL2 episodes were basically just expansion packs. They didn't need to be mind blowing or super innovative. Ep1 and Ep2 certainly weren't: they were just more of what was great from HL2. And there was no reason why Ep3 shouldn't have been able to work out similarly.
I wish gaben would at least give us an explanation or something
I remember a conspiracy, started by an obvious ruseful but nonetheless interesting YouTube comment which stated that Chell actually died in Portal 2 and the ending symbolized her ascension to a paradise based on Greek mythology.
My thoughts on the matter is that Valve probably felt that they were pushing their magnum opus out the door too fast and they didn't want Half-life to be completed through a couple of rushed episodes (HL3 was originally supposed to be all 3 episodes put together)
They are probably waiting for technology to catch up with the ideas they have to make it a true sequel to one of the best reviewed games of all time.
When each Valve project reaches completion it delays all other projects because most people focus on finishing the upcoming game.
The sudden acquisition of Left 4 Dead probably delayed Episode 3 and after that initial delay there was no point in continuing with the Episodic development because the point is that the releases are released constantly. Also this episodic development probably could have not worked in consoles either.
With the delays probably Episode 3 evolved from a small game into something much greater, so it probably turned into Half Life 3. The last major delays were DOTA2 and Source 2.
I think after Source 2 is completed Half Life 3 will be next.
I think they will get back to it when they have literally nothing else to work on. Like, what do we know they're working on right now, game development wise? Dota 2 is still pretty actively developed, although I don't think the team for that is even that big. TF2 less so, and really its life cycle seems to be winding down. Presumably SteamOS is taking up some resources, but I haven't even heard about any of that in a while. So presumably they're working on something new right now, possibly a sequel to one of their current franchises, with the only ones that really seem to make sense for them being a new L4D or a new HL. Or else it's some crazy unexpected Willie Wonka shit, which is just as likely.
I would really love if somebody gave me an explanation as to why there are sooo many instances of people thinking the Frozen snow physics demos are real-time. I realize the anon here isn't outright saying that but he's implying it and it just reminded me of this weird pattern. I've just never seen an instance of confusion between real-time and prerendered so pervasive as this one and I don't understand why.
Valve has an A team that exclusively works on new games, a B team that makes those online games like Dota 2 or Alien Swarm or CSGO and the C team that creates patches for existing games
Half Life 3 was probably going to have a focus on VR. Which means that Facebook delayed the project when they poached the Valve employees working on VR
and you know this how? the same guys who worked on HL2 jump around TF2 and Dota 2 often.
Half-Life 3 is going to have a focus on F-Stop
VR was just a bump in the road
Funny thing I just realized, all panoramic screens around the elevators in the beginning of Portal 2, supposedly displaying the last Aperture technology ever conceived, have a copyright symbol with some 90s date (1997, if I'm correct) on the bottom. In the Half Life storyline, that was the year where the Black Mesa incident occurred. Therefore, Aperture Science stopped working around the same time Black Mesa did.
I just brought the oreange box and now i finally understand why half life 3 is so beloved.
I think that L4D3 is probably just a remake of the previous games for next-gen consoles and a tech-demo for Source 2. It's probably gonna be released this year.
They're working on them both, they're just "leaking" more on Left 4 Dead 3 because that information is safer. They don't have to worry about leaking too much to spoil the surprise because nobody is waiting for L4D3, they'll release them both in a pack like the orange box.
>the mystery still remains
It's going to be something really boring like the Borealis was lost in a teleportation experiment from the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in October 28, 1943 but ultimately led to some success after mysterious wreckage discovered in New Mexico on July 9, 1947 and then taken to Black Mesa and KXTA in Nevada for further experimentation which eventually led to WW2-era scientists exploring the border-world Xen with an "incident" occurring in an 1983 experiment in Montauk Air Force Station and so Gordon will end up fighting Nazis in the 1940s.
Guy who posted that gif here. I haven't seen anybody think that it was real time, but the point I was trying to make is that if we could get even a crude approximation of something like that in real time, it would be amazing. It would require a cutting edge machine, but would still be amazing.
oh boy you are in for some fun
that's a lie no you aren't everyone on /v/ is too lazy to set up a server and also there aren't any good unified up-to-date infopics for setting up a pyspades server maybe I should do one
Source 2 is already here. They just need to complete the Left 4 Dead Trilogy before they can start working on HL3.
We don't actually know, outside of the fact that it made Gabe Newell say "FUCK YEAH!" and it was so cool that it basically stopped all work at Valve for three months until everyone's minds were unblown. They WERE going to put it into Portal 2, but for whatever reasons, they didn't.
Well those Source 2 leaks seem pretty legit and so are the ones saying that L4D3 is in development.
We have almost nothing in HL3 so far other than finger mechanics and that it's going to be fully playable as a multiplayer game.
They'll finish both their trilogies (or extend their sagas?) at once.
Valve has been "leaking" their own stuff to Valvetime for awhile, google Source 2 leak. Usually valve leaks get shot down within a month if they're fake, Valve had no comment about this and the JIRA leak so its safe to say its a high probability of being real.
Everyone is forgetting the most important part of HL3.
>We have almost nothing in HL3 so far other than finger mechanics and that it's going to be fully playable as a multiplayer game.
Like I said, valve is selective leaking. If they gave up too much about Half-Life 3 other than it being actively developed since shortly before Portal 2 it would spoil the surprise. HL3 has been in development since right about F-Stop and Portal 2 separated, its more than a coincidence.
>I think that would be way too much work.
They have over 100 members in their "Source 2" group, and the leaks suggest that this group is also in charge of fine-tuning the games involved in the launch and ports of Dota 2 and TF2.
I think it'll be more comprehensive like HL2CTF and more.
It's allegedly from a presentation on Source 2 with multiple pics
Do people really expect HL3 to be good when valve hasn't actually put out a game in like a decade
And the stuff they've been doing to other games (L4D, Dota, TF2, etc.) has all ranged from "ok" to "questionable"
>most Berserk fans will die before it's finished
Not even Valve knows.
They're waiting for the next big tech marvel so they can do something that hasn't been done.
that's basically a nice way of saying "a gimmick". Because essentially that's what the physics in HL2 was.
I honestly just want them to wrap up the half life story, I really like it.
>they also have Eli's mind
Wait, so that's the reason those Advisor things stab shit in the head?
I thought they were just, you know, consuming them for nutrients or whatever.
That makes more sense.
> valve hasn't actually put out a game in like a decade
I've considered email Gaben asking if he's ever received emails from people who told them that they were dying and were saddened by the fact that wouldn't be able to see HL3.
I had figured it would be in poor taste though. Plus people die all the time.
F-Stop was that gimmick, they've been making Hl3 since 2010.
I can't wait for the inevitable stupid ass portal tie-in 'eastereggs', microtransactions of a full priced game, and the all but confirmed gimmicky gravity gun battle against a flying brain bug from starship troopers.
i played the original half-life in 1998 and it is still basically my favorite gaming experience, but i am not nearly enough of a drone to slurp up the recent garbage valve has been putting out
At first it was kinda cheeky, "teehee we're so secretive so it must be good!" Like, okay, I get you're keeping us in the dark, it's your MO. Then understanding turned to resentment as the radio silence continued with not a word on its development. Now resentment has faded, to be replaced with something worse: a total lack of care. EP3/HL3 could cure cancer and solve world hunger and give us all free jetpacks, but even if it did I still wouldn't care. It's just been far too long, nothing is going to make me care about it anymore.
>Do people really expect HL3 to be good when valve hasn't actually put out a game in like a decade
Shit bait bro.
>2007 - The Orange Box (Portal, TF2 and Episode 2)
>2008 - Left 4 Dead
>2009 - Left 4 Dead 2
>2010 - Alien Swarm
>2011 - Portal 2
>2012 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
>2013 - DOTA2
So uh, what actually is Valve doing?
They've got 330 employees or something, what the hell are they up to?
Everything is out, and there's shit all being done for most things.
Besides some minor updates, and the occasional holiday updates, CSGO, TF2 and DOTA2 are all more or less done.
I'm honestly confused by this.
I am expecting something to be announced at Gamescom.
Either Left 4 Dead 3 or Black Mesa.
>being this much of an asspained consoleturd
>anyone who criticizes valve must be a consoleturd
this is why people laugh at drones, don't you have microtransactions to spend your money on?
I think it's less that they've released games, and more that they haven't had any games that they themselves originated and worked on since...Episode 2?
TF2 is a sequel to a Source implementation of a Quake 3 mod.
Portal is a student project developed into a full game, and now has a sequel.
L4D originated at another development studio before Valve bought them out, and also has a sequel.
Alien Swarm is a remake of an UT2k4 mod in Source.
CS:GO is a sequel to a Source port of a HL multiplayer mod.
And Dota 2 is a remake of a WC3 custom map.
If you're going off of games that originated at Valve and were based on ideas that started at Valve, you've pretty much just got the Half-Life series, and we're swiftly approaching a decade since a release. Dude's not that far off the mark.
guys, dont you remember the entire leak fiasco with half life 2?
valve is keeping hl3 under wraps because they don't want another leak scandal, and so that they won't have any pressure from the public to release on time
to this date, even with baneman trilogy, i still think that american psycho was by far the best Christian Bale work.
IT MEANS NOTHING'S BEEN ANNOUNCED WITH ONLY 5 MORE MONTHS TO GO.
WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME
>Portal 2 is a better game in nearly every aspect
Not counting graphics, this is entirely false.
>HL style OST in the first game
>pointless Glados origin story
>completely ditches their tone of the first game in favor of Looney Tunes comedy
>puzzles that hold the players hand at all times with visual (very few white spaces) and audio clues
Portal 2 was a good game but the first game was better.
>being a hat-starved consolepleb that pretends to be mustard race
>Portal is a student project developed into a full game
The student project was a different game. Portal only shares some gameplay mechanics with it. All the story and character concepts were created by Valve's own writers.
>If you can't enjoy the original
I'm not sure I get what you're going for here anon, Black Mesa wasn't a shitty casualized version of Half-Life or anything, it was the same thing pretty much.
The areas, enemies, everything.
They paid attention to keep it the same.
Visually Black Mesa is pretty nice.
But the game play just doesn't fit. HL1 being made into slow-poke HL2 style feels terrible, and my biggest gripe is that they cut out parts of the game that they just happened to not like, which is absolute bullshit when it's a remake.
It shares all of the gameplay with it, because Portal and Narbacular Drop are literally the same game. You shoot portals, you keep momentum when you go through them. Story doesn't matter.
try to talk shit bro, by even using those phrases you are confirming you joined steam in 2010 and praise it to fit in.
keep trying though, its cute. you already admitted to even giving a fuck about hats. you are the cancer bringing the pc community down below the level of consoles
No idea what you mean by "Looney Tunes comedy." I absolutely love the writing and personally think it's a perfect extension of that of the first game. I loved Cave Johnson, I loved Wheatley, I loved the other spheres and that one doomed free-thinking turret and the GlaDOS origin story that yes, strictly speaking, didn't need to exist, and I really really really loved the ending. Call me a faggot but that may be the closest I've ever been to crying at a video game.
IMO the easy puzzles where the main problem, and it was pretty obvious that level-design-wise they were struggling to expand on the mechanics of the first game meaningfully or introduce new mechanics that had any sort of potential.
The maps are needlessly fucking 'detailed' which means they added in a bunch of stupid shit to look pretty, and then as the game progresses it looks lazier and lazier.
They removed tons of aspects of the maps to make them faster, including part of surface tension which is probably the best chapter in HL to begin with.
The void acting is garbage, and the HL2 ai is complete shit in the setting.
Face it, the original is better and kids that can't get over the 'aged' graphics praise black mesa.
>The plot involves the plight of a Princess "No-Knees," so named because she is unable to jump
>unable to jump
They absorbed another small team that made the game and polished it
They have since made the team redundant after portal 2's launch
>L4D 1 & 2
Again, same story
Not sure if they still work for valve but that was another project they absorbed into their mass and put some spit shine on and then slapped the valve label on
See portal above
>Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
Again, see above. Invented my Gooseman and Cliffe, then bought out by valve
Well everyone knows this one isn't valves. Just Dota with updated grafix
And even then they've done a lazy job and brought the game out before everything is finished
>Valve hires the people who made a specific product
>They now work for Valve
>They finish, publish, and release, and develop and update the game
And yet somehow it's "not Valve's."
Jesus Christ you people are fucking stupid.
I can tell valve is already starting to get too big. Some of the minor stuff is starting to slip through the cracks. I doubt they could handle developing a fully functioning 3d world anymore.
>if two games share the exact same gameplay mechanics, they are not the same game
Are you dense or something? Please, define how the two are different from a mechanical standpoint. I don't give a shit about story or graphics, because we're talking about the game proper here, not how it looks or what you hear when you play.
The team behind Narbacular Drop created it as a student project, and were then hired by Valve to turn it into a full game. Both games involve portal mechanics and manipulating objects to solve puzzles. I'm not dissing either one by pointing out that they're the same, and it would make sense that they are considering it's the same people working on both.
Have you played Narbacular Drop? It stood out to Valve because of the creative gameplay conceit of portals, but everything else about it was decidedly student-gamey. The level design wasn't exactly mind-blowing and game mechanics sort of came out of left field (what exactly was the turtle for?)
>The team behind Narbacular Drop created it as a student project, and were then hired by Valve to turn it into a full game.
Yes, which makes Portal a Valve game.
I'm not sure what your point is, overall - Narbacular Drop was the precusor to the game that became Portal.
>They absorbed another small team that made the game and polished it
Come on man, that's horseshit and you know it.
They just copied the basic idea (portals) and hired the guys to help make it.
They didn't buy the full game, make it a little prettier and then release it as their own.
>Team makes a game
>Valve hires the team, shines it up and makes it look pretty with their resource staff of graphic designers and story writers
>Brings the game out with Valve logo attached
>Fires the team after in some cases
The point is
Valve hasn't developed the gameplay in most of their core titles
They didn't invent the concept for these games
What did they make solely? A story based first person shooter in physics engine? Pretty good but they can't coast on that forever when they refuse to discuss why the sequel hasn't been talked about in forever
>Valve hasn't developed the gameplay in most of their core titles
>They didn't invent the concept for these games
Who the fuck cares?
They're Valve games, and Valve is responsible for maintaining/updating/developing them further, which they have in nearly every case (except maybe Alien Swarm).
>ou want them to recognize that being really good at Half-Life level design is not as nearly as valued as thinking of how to design social multiplayer experiences," Newell said.
We're never finding out
You bet your bitch ass, I did.
>They didn't buy the full game, make it a little prettier and then release it as their own.
What parts of the game did valve have a had in then?
Because past momentum persisting through portals and using them to solve puzzles and traverse the environment, there isn't a whole lot to portal
You cant just design the graphics and story and music for a bunch of video games and call yourself a developer. Technically I suppose you are but you're not exactly a very good one if you can't put out a good original idea
>You cant just design the graphics and story and music for a bunch of video games and call yourself a developer. Technically I suppose you are
Sometimes I can't believe the shit I read on /v/.
I don't even know what your point is in trying to say they're different. MY point is that Portal as a game concept was created outside of Valve. They had no hand in coming up with it, so saying that they developed it is disingenuous. Or at the very least should be asterisked.
Im not trying to strike a definition for what is and isn't a "valve game"
My point is valve haven't sucesfully designed any winning gameplay formulas in a fair while now
They're last good game they developed being the HL2 series.
They didn't design the gameplay for dota, portal, l4d or CS
>they also know its been way over hyped and there is no way it will live up to expectations
People say this, but do you guys really expect soe life-changing experience within the game? I'm just hoping for more of the sober tone and fun gameplay of HL2. That's it.
>currently playing HL2 for the first time ever
>it's nice I guess, but kind of slow and repetitive
>tfw too old to truly enjoy it
I wish I could go back in time and enjoy HL 1&2 when they were fresh, when the hype train was at full speed.
life is suffering
It took 9 years to develop TF2.
Of course, it wasn't hyped up and not so much of a direct sequel to a story-driven game, but it shows that when Valve makes a game, they take time. Also, a new Source engine is also rumored to be coming soon, which probably took up time.
I'm not one of those people who go
>I-it-its coming this E3 guys, I kn-know it!
but its quite obvious that they're being quiet with it on purpose, just to fuck with our minds.
>Valve games aren't Valve games
>if its not Gabe and Mike Herrington coding in a basement flat its not a Valve game
No fucking true scotsman in full effect
>My point is valve haven't sucesfully designed any winning gameplay formulas in a fair while now
What winning gameplay formula exist in the Battlefield games? Dice didn't invent FPSes.
What winning gameplay formula exists in Need for Speed? They didn't invent racing games.
"Original idea" is a shitty standard to hold modern video games to. Generally speaking, it's really only indie games that excel at this.
Valve made a game that was super popular, and then made another, and then another. Who cares if they didn't think of it? They hired the people that did, and continued to develop, polish, and support it past release.
Now Valve is focused on the business of Steam.
>Valve made a game that was super popular
Except they didnt
They hired the team that did
Ergo: They cant make a good game without someone making it for them so they can buy it out
hell i was right about the 2010 join date.
do whatever you want, i have no reason to praise steam or valve, and if you think the average steam user is somehow better than console players just because of the platform, you need to enter the real world.
half-life is just the cold war in space.
the combine (canonically called the universal union) are the soviet union. xen is a communist border country.
g-man is either a USA-equivalent agent who's job is to destabilize the soviet union and it's border countries, or just a war profiteer making a profit.
the combine and the USA-equivalent are the two most powerful groups in space, but can't fight each other out of fear of MAD.
USA-eq. uses g-man (who uses earth) to fuck up xen and the combine regime situated there. The combine know the USA-equivalent caused xen to go to shit, so they fight back by invading earth and making it a combine state. the USA-eq. then continue being shady fucks and help fund the black mesa scientists who work for them to form a "resistance" group. this is why the resistance is entirely run by black mesa scientists.
dr. breen became a communist puppet leader.
eli vance and dr. kleiner are directly tied to the USA-eq., basically osama-bin-laden during the cold war era afghan war. Eli has his doubts about the motives of g-man, whereas dr. kleiner does not.
g-man had eli killed for not wanting to through with the designated plan; to capture the magic space nuke aboard the borealis and use it to attack russ-I mean the combine overworld.
dr. kleiner is an evil fuck and betrays you in HL3.
Sure they did. No one else made the game. Valve did. Doesn't matter if the developers who were hired didn't think of the idea while working at Valve.
Valve published. Valve released it. It's Valve's. Your argument that it's somehow not Valve is just silly.
>Valve dont make good games
>They hire the people that do
So people who make good games work for Valve?
Therefore Valve make good games, by having people who make them work there.
Valve can be credited for Half-Life, but basically everything else they just absorbed and cashed in on.
However it is 100% truck all they do not is focus on gimmicks within steam to jew people out of more money.
Well you use Steam actively so it's kinda ironic that you would complain about it's users to much.
>Valve can be credited for Half-Life, but basically everything else they just absorbed and cashed in on.
So everything else they released by hiring the developers to make the games they want are "cash ins"?
Jesus Christ you guys worry me a lot.
>They absorbed another small team that made the game and polished it
Nebular Drop was some fantasy game with aliens and shit. It was some tech demo made by students at Digipen. It looked nothing like Portal.
Stop playing chinese whispers on /v/.
Apparently /v/ believes a developer can just buy the rights to every good game made by smaller devs and then call themselves a great game developer
If I didn't know I'd say you guys were
Hey, if we made a Half Life/Portal General in /vg/, precisely to debate on these rather interesting theories while bitching and moaning about the lack of HL3, would anyone here browse it?
>they hire people who make good and popular games
Isn't this what a good game company is supposed to do?
what i would like to see from half life 3 is slightly less linear levels. i mean its fine and all but it would be better if it was kind of like return to castle wolfenstein. sure its one path but theres different places to go from the path
it would probably self-destruct, but it would also be a good place to conveniently assemble conspiracy theories.
the nice thing about 4chan is that it's just as much your board as mine, so fucking go for it and see if it works.
Is Gman even on our side?
What if the USA-equivalent is the real USA from an alternate dimension?
WHY THE FUCK DID YOU RESPOND HOLY SHIT JUST REPORT AND MOVE ON HES STARTING A FLAMEWAR BECAUSE HE DOES NOT LIKE THE THREAD IN FACT HE IS PROBABLY THE SAME GUY SAYING VALVE GAMES ARENT VALVE GAMES
The thing is half-life has absolutely no story, it's just a series of random events held together by fanfic story thrown together in people's heads based on the facts.
If it ever comes out it will be shit, and it will be lauded because everybody has their own little version of half-life's story in their head and nothing valve ever comes up with will be able to hold everything together, especially considering valve has no idea how to write story.
Micro-transactions are not a problem per se. Games like DOTA2, CS:GO and TF2 are examples of good implementations of that.
If you play games online (and you do) you are already take part in the community.
>doesn't know that announcing reports is against the rules
How is anti-semitism related to console wars?
Fakefactory shit is disgusting. No, Beta Alyx is best Alyx.
>I still find it weird that he was in this. Did that project actually go anywhere?
An alpha got released and it was awful.
Gabe was a fan of the guy making that project, I think he was a well-known fiction author.
Half-Life is their baby. They may seem focused on their multiplayer games but I doubt they would do something so bad that it fucks up the franchise that made their company. Call it wishful thinking but I reckon it'll be a pretty damn great game if it ever sees the light of day.
>Although the first video games appeared in the 1950s, they were played on massive computers connected to vector displays, not analog televisions. Ralph H. Baer conceived the idea of a home video game in 1951.
>When Baer was eleven years old, he was expelled from school in Germany because of his Jewish ancestry and had to go to an all-Jewish school. His father worked in a shoe factory in Pirmasens at the time. Two months before Kristallnacht, he and his family escaped from Germany.
That's actually true, how interesting.
Posting images is something that is normal in image boards though.
inside the borealis (which is actually at near bedrock, the bottom of the ocean but remaining exposed to the surface by sheer ice cliff walls rising around it, formed by its decent) is a non-euclidean space of unknown, but assuredly vast interior dimension (this is where all the water that is seen missing in HL2 has actually gone). Combine completely controls the surrounding area, has actually encased the entire ship in a massive sarcophagus structure (from within which the stolen footage glimpsed in EP2 was shot), and it is their only real interest on Earth.
The interior is a mix of mostly urban and industrial areas, occupied by a mix of androids, humans, and misc. flora/fauna. The arrangement is surreal and fantastical.
You look out over a seemingly endless prairie, but as you walk across it watch your step; it's actually a series of 'green roofs', in a massive block of skyscrapers, only tenuously and haphazardly bridged. if you look down you will see blocks where the street bustles with activity, and others where it is choked by snowdrifts several meters high, still others that look like war zones fit for C17 itself, and many that are akin to dioramas, devoid of life but with all the manufactured accoutrements arranged in waiting, as if the entire block were constructed in a single piece just days ago (it probably was).
If you descend to the street level, in one of the more lively and civil regions, you will find street vendors offering steamed bullsquid tentacle bunches, and you will be able to purchase them (or the ratburger, or the headcrab soup served in a paper bowl, or the pure beef franks, or the antlion nectar candied nuts, or the mushroom dumplings, etc.).
>Cave Johnson is probably living inside of the dimension as an immortal being
Any of you motherfuckers seen the Valve offices?
I bet they're just in there kicking it while officially adding in Steam Community hats to TF2.
Finished Episode 2 in 2007
>"Damn, that was great! I cant' believe I'm going to have to wait until 2008 to play Episode 3. It would be absolutely horrible if it came out in 2009 though, I would hate waiting that long"
>HL3 is going to surpass DNF in wait time
>we all know how that story ended
>Statistically, multiple Half Life fans have died waiting for Episode 3 to come out.
DNF went that way because George Broussard didn't want to tell anyone their shit sucked or that they had to work. Valve have still been putting out stuff and raking in Hat money.
>Gearbox will be the ones who finally get to make HL3/Ep3
>still watch that aging E3 trailer every now and then
>it still looks exciting and awesome as fuck
>you'll never get to play the real DNF
>there are people on /v/ that were 10 or 11 years old when episode 2 came out
>there are people on /v/ that were 8 years old when Half life 2 came out
I remember buying the Orange Box in my first week of college. It was the first game I bought digitally on Steam. I feel old now...
Valve had planned a pretty nightmarish on-screen fate and death for him, that they were forced to cut for rating purposes. He was supposed to have spent the intervening years (between around the time of his last recording and Portal 2) as a (conscious) brain in a jar - which you would use as a step as the only means of exiting the room, definitely killing him (SQUISHING HIS BRAIN WITH YOUR FOOT). there are audio files of this scene still in the game files.
>What if the USA-equivalent is the real USA from an alternate dimension?
mother of god
>"Eh, it'll probably be out before I finish high school"
>"It has to be out before I finish college"