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So we can all agree:

There's not a single good F2P MMO.

> Discuss
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Star Trek Online and Dead Frontier are fun.
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planetside 2 is an mmo, its pretty good
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>>253284137
Path of Exile is good.
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>>253284137
I agree, there's not a single good MMO period. They're all shit, and so is this thread.
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>>253284137
Because f2p does two things. Ensure there will be done form of cash shop which will eventually lead to p2w.
draws in undesirable like BR Russians and Pinoys.
I'll only bother with p2p or b2p. get a job.
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I really like Vindictus for the combat but it's not a good game because it's run by nexon.
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>>253284137
Tera is probably the best. Great world, good combat, least jewish cash shop for f2p mmos.

Really grindy though and quests are absolute run of the mill
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dota 2
Ok no, but seriously there is none
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>>253284137
Rift's F2P is ok in that it doesn't really hide anything important in a paywall. The problem is that while the game is pretty solid in all aspects, it doesn't have anything to keep people in.
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>>253284352
Just put in high spec requirements and you'd get rid of most of the usual F2P shitters.
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>>253284418
>tera
>good at anything
>it's literally a shit fest of combat and quests
>the only reason anyone plays the fucking game is to make a loli character
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>>253284692
Name a comparable MMO with better combat
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>>253284418

I don't like the combat. It could have been better but there's still too much side of old MMOs in it.

But yeah that's probably the best if we don't count all these fuckng Koreans games that we'll never see.
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>>253284742
Well Vindictus is even a step above it, but it's not an MMO at all.
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LotR:O & Firefall.
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>Guys I want to play an MMO, but I'm broke. What are the best ones?

Just had to ask. Neverwinter is alright. Star Trek Online has become pretty good after a while. Rift is probably the best MMO that's free at the moment. Honestly, I like it better than quite a few pay to play MMOs.
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>>253284301
No it isn't. It's unoptimized P2W garbage.
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SWTOR and Tera are pretty good I think.

for the price
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>>253284723
nothing because they all suck assholes
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>>253284692
tera actually has nice combat and probably a good engine. If graphics weren't so hard on my eyes with all the colors and shit, it could actually have potential.
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Kingdom of Loathing
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>>253284137
>tfw I will fall back in love with Maplestory for several weeks at a time
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>ctrl+f runescape
>Phrase not found
ok
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>>253284137
There isnt a good P2P or B2P MMO either

since they add P2W bullshit now too
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>>253285248
Runescape was an MMO before grand exchange.
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Not a single MMO is good, in general.

But yes, F2P further ruins games.
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>>253285148
Please tell me you'd at least take the colors over brown and bloom.
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>>253284845

I heard a lot about Vindictus and Black Desert.

Why isn't Vindictus an MMO ?
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>>253285370
the bloom is no1 dealbreaker, at least you can usually turn it off.
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>>253285389
Because all the battles are instance based, only the hub towns have a shit load of people
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>>253284418
>least jewish cash shop
>paying nets you crafting boosts to make perfect pvp equipment years before a f2p user who will have to grind for years
Nope, try again.
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>>253285389
Because other than the city it's just instances. You never see more than a handful of people ever, there are no open zones or anything
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>>253285389
because it's zone-based (+probably servers) - it's not an open world in any sense.
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>>253285389
Everything is instanced.
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>tfw wildstar will never go f2p
Feels good.
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>>253285389
It's a lobby based online with shared cities. It's peer2peer.

It's like monster hunter but the "server select screen" is a city with people running around doing nothing.

It's not an MMO by gameplay definition.
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>>253284137

That's because you don't know any good F2P MMO's.

For example, this shit righ here. Entropia Universe even allows you to withdraw money and make a living of it.

Best part about it? It's completely free and has no cash shops
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>>253284137
DOTA2
>MFW I´m a cancer killing videogames and I don´t care
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>>253285704
I played Entropia for a while.

It's pretty weird really. It can be great, but it can also be brutal and make you feel down.

It's REALLY hard to get anywhere without investing actual money into it, too. I was lucky that I ended up in a position where I offered "mining services" for other people and would get a small cut from the profits.
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>>253285857
You don't know what "MMO" means, do you?
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>>253285857
How exactly is DOTA2 a MMO?
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>>253285951
>>253285931
Welcome to underage, they just call any online game "MMO" now
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League of legends
DOTA 2
TF2
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>>253284137
>download aura kingdom from steam
>its probably fucking terrible but i like the art style
>plan on making a waifu princess
>cant connect to server
>tried about 20 times

free 2 play a shit
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Lord of the Rings Online
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Silkroad Online in the old times, before Turk bots
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>>253285126
SWTOR is not good in any meaningful way.
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>>253286141
How the fuck are any of these "MMO"s?
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>>253285878
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>>253285951
MMO stands for massively multiplayer online. Now MMORPG is like WOW, FFXIV, etc. Now like TF2 is a MMOFPS.
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>>253286564
>TF2 is a MMOFPS.

32 players != "massive multiplayer"
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>>253284137
if you consider path of exile an mmo it is by far the best f2p
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>>253286564
Stop embarassing yourself.
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>>253285931
>>253285951
jeez grandpa. they massive multiplayer online battle arenas...
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>>253286564
There is nothing massively about TF2
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>>253286750
There's only one M in MOBA you retard

PLEASE tell me LoL kids aren't this retarded
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>>253286702
It's not.

>>253286750
Except it's not massive. 5v5 is not "massive". Age doesn't have anything to do with it, other than the fact that young retards such as yourself use words incorrectly.
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>>253285878
How is the playerbase and community stuff?

One thing MMOs really need is a good sense of community interaction
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>>253286929
A lot more mature than any other MMO, since everything is playing/earning real money all the time. Tons of 30+ year olds.

>tfw sitting on like 820 ped I can't cash out because need 1000 ped before you can do that
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>>253284137
F2P games are for poorfags and children. Any adult would want to avoid any form of cash shop. This is fact.
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>>253286474

I know that feeling. When I had my first ATH I nearly shat my self, because seeing 30-40k worth of shit in front of you is epic
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>>253285165
shit thats still around? I played that back in high school
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>>253286850
>>253286862
>>253285951
>>253285931
lol guaranteed replies as always

thanks for jiggle m8s
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>>253286929

EU probably has the best community of all MMO's, because it consists of mostly adults. Sure, there are kids and some retards, but they make only a small % of the whole community. Assholes and retards are dealt with quickly by community and they end up forced to create a new account (which is against the game's EULA).
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Alright, there are a bunch of toddlers in this thread who probably started playing videogames with the 7th generation who need to be educated a little.

The MMO is a genre that has no limits of who you can interact with/play with at the same time, other than how big the fanbase is.

In an MMO, every single player playing the game can go to the same shared zone and play the game.

If you can't do this in a videogame, it's not an MMO. Lobby based games are DESIGNED to have hard caps of 10/20/32/64 players.

If additional players are playing, they cannot physically connect to that server, because it's not designed to accomodate for more players than the game-mode limit.

Thus, it's not an MMO, but a lobby-based multiplayer game.

There is no rule or limitation as to how many players can or should enter a shared zone in an MMO. It's "as many as they feel like it". Yes, instanced maps exists, but they are not the entirety of the game maps/modes. They are also cancerous things within the MMO realm, but that is another story.

Hopefully some babies learned something new today.
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everyone shits on dcuo

i like capeshit much more than generic fantasy faggot
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>>253287057
Is there any fun if I just wanted to do small odd job stuff then? Seems like it'd be nice to just work for dudes and chat there.
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Any news about Black Desert Online ?

I was watching a gamplay and it looks fun as fuck. Any hope to see it in Europe or America ?
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>>253287162
>I was just pretending to be retarded!
You type like a kid, your opinions are those of a kid, your shitposting is that of a kid. You aren't fooling anyone.
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>>253287702
>you type like a kid

Lol
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Rift was okay despite the super bland lore and basically being a streamlined version of WoW. Though there were leveling and other boosters available it felt like the game was still designed around playing without them. You'd just end up skipping most of the quests, dungeons and areas if you used real money shit.

The only thing that bothered me about the game was that you'd have to buy P2W credits with real money (the smallest few € amount was enough) before being able to use the auction house to sell items. Stuff like that kills player based economy.

Our group of friends had a good amount of fun with it until one of them got the bright idea that we all should start playing ASSFAGGOTS
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>>253287472

But that's where most of the fun resides. Doing odd-jobs for some cash and meeting cool people. And the game is not about dudes only, it has a LOT of women playing. I know several people who married IRL thanks to that game.
One tragic story is about NeverDie and IslandGirl you can google that up.
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>>253287590
That's the game with the sieges, right? I sure hope it doesn't have treadmill fetch quests.
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>le epic MMOs are all shit a priori because I got bored of them maymay
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>>253284976
stop using terms you don't understand
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>>253287790
I see you attempted to adjust your writing a little, by using capital. Your insecurity is cute, Timmy.
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>>253287590
Beta for Russia is soon (Or now I think?) and that's about it. There's speculation for Q3-4 2014 or Q1-2 2015 so pretty much anytime from now it could be done. From what I gather, they're genuinely just looking to sort a publisher for the Western game.
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>>253287908

I don't know about the content, I just looked some combat videos and it really looks good.

I don't even give a fuck if it'll be a grinding fest or anything else, I just want a game to play with two friends of mine.

We enjoyed Tera but dropped it. I can't remember why tough
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>>253287909
No, they are all shit because they are designed to attract the facebook userbase in order to survive, since they only focus on huge budget ones.

When you have to dumb down a game to that level, the game ends up being shit. It's really natural.
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I still play WoW solely.

I don't PvE anymore. Have a few friends and we just PvP together up to around 2200 to get the elite gear and then just shoot the shit in BGs/World PvP (Emerald Dream).
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>>253284976
>p2w

I gotta disagree, the starter guns are good, nothing is extremely overpowered, the only advantagea membership really gives you is more resources
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>>253285546
So Guild Wars isnt an mmo?
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>>253288006
I'm not that guy you were arguing with, I just think it's dumb when people get upset over someone's grammar on a forum / imageboard.
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>>253288252
The first one isn't. You nailed it. It's a multiplayer lobby game.
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I played some free mmo that was pretty fun, i dunno if its dead or not these days but it was called Dekaron. Was a fairly ok mmo, very grindy though. I haven't played it in around 5 years though.
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DFO/DNF is pretty good
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I've been pissing about on Rift for a couple of days, seems pretty okay.
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>>253288304
You are making steady progress, Timmy. See, that's pretty good. This way, people can understand what you are writing more clearly. Good job!
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Surprised nobody mentioned Rift.
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>>253288771
Too slow >>253287836
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HYPE

To be honest I've always thought calling dnf/dfo an mmo is wrong since you can only have 4 people in a game at once. 8 in pvp
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>>253288252
Yep, first GW is not an MMORPG

Only an MORPG at best
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>>253288771
Yeah, it's only been mentioned 4 times before.
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>>253285204
I know that feel

Also, open question, I recently got into Star Wars and downloaded SWTOR last night. Other than >origin how long before I hate myself? I just wanted more Star Wars exploration
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>>253284137
>still playing MMOs
AMORPGs are more fun.
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Wakfu
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>>253284137
Agreed. Even if you had the best MMO ever made, the moment you made it F2P it would be absolute shit. Any game with a cash shop is instant garbage
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>>253288997
Travel back in time and play the best MMORPG that has ever existed then
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>>253288997
Once you realize that the game is a treadmill based around 5 people parties.

So, around 20 I guess.
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>>253289226
I've read about this. And heard mixed things, so I wasn't sure.

Bascially, I watched all the movies and played
KOTOR
KOTOR II
SWTOR (just dl'ed last night, currently level 4)
Republic Commando
Force Unleashed
Force Unleashed II
Jedi Academy
Republic Heroes (Fuck you, I liked the Clone Wars show)
The three SNES games (Super, S:TESB, S:ROTJ)

Again I chose SWTOR for just 'more' Star Wars. Other than shitty console games for DS & PS2, are there any good games for PC I'm missing?
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>>253284137
all mmos are shit
all of them
every single one of them EVER made is shit
call me in 50 years IF they solve the latency problem so MAYBE we'll have a massive multiplayer game that doesn't suck dick
>in after 4 player instanced games are mmos
what a fucking shitty thread
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>>253289226
>best MMORPG that has ever
It was okay.
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>>253289639
You heard mixed things because there is a category of people who has never witnessed an MMO before and mistakenly assumes that MMOs should be instanced light co-op games.

It's usually the people who started playing MMOs with WoW.
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>>253288023

Good good good good.
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Still hurts guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qcjoOdVHR8
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>>253288023
Why the fuck would there be beta for russia specifically?
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>>253290585
It had a good character creation but that was about it
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>>253289639
>No SWBII? Kill yourself.
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>>253291932
What the fuck are you doing?
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>>253290585
Is Champions online any good in comparison?
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>>253284976
maybe if you keep spouting more memes and buzzwords you will fit in better.
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Archeage is good.
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>We can all agree:

Then why do we need to discuss something that's already universally agreed upon?
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>>253291932
Battlefront II?

I have it was Battlefield with Star Wars wasnt sure how to take that lol. I did play Republuc Commando though. Decent FPS, shame I had to play with crap resolution though.
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>>253293131
By "we" he meant himself and his 3 neurons.
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>>253292973
Are you seriously defending Planetside 2?
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Vindictus is good, and all the pay shit is cosmetic.
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>>253293285

Exactly what I meant
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>>253293158
Battlefront is more like an arcadey Battlefield.
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B2P is the best system for MMOs
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How fucked will my ping be if I play from Europe (Belgium) on a Russian server ?
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>>253294630
Depends on how good your connection is. I doubt it will be more than 200ms, and it can easily be 100ms if your ISP isn't fucking your asshole.
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WoW private servers.
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>>253293634
But also the least profitable. Hence why very few MMO's do it.

It's all about the shekels.
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>>253296809
Pretty sure WoW, FFXI and Ragnarok Online profited more than any F2P MMO to date, being active for 5-15 years worldwide on a sub system.

F2P is only profitable for the low-tier irrelevant games, it saves them from extiction. When the other option is shutting down, F2P is better.

Doesn't make that the most profitable, bud.
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puzzle pirates is alright
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>>253284137
Path of Exile. And LotR is supposed to be decent.
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>>253284137
>Lotro
if you wanna go with a adventure focused mmo, dat being said, expect to drop some money every 10-15 levels(for quest packs and expansions) or grind almost as much as a korean mmo

>rift
if you wanna play wow, but you are bored of azeroth.
its does have a couple of new class ideas, but most of the variety is kinda worthless, since theres only 3-4 souls that are actually worth playing in your build.

>star trek online
ship combat is amazing, ground combat is horrible.
that being said, its pretty fun, problem is the fun is in leveling and the story missions. once you hit level cap, there isnt a lot to do besides grind for min-max gear.

>neverwinter
combat is more actiony, and classes feel unique. how ever most of the game revolves around "group questing" and I use that term loosely as there arent any predetermined roles and your contribution to the fights are barely noticable. pvp is dominated by control wizards.

>swtor
most of the story missions are "pants on head" retarded. dont expect to have much fun as f2p suffer heavy restrictions. mainly you are only able to run 5 dungeons or pvp battleground a week. f2p players dont get to raid. combat and classes are very similiar if not a complete clone of WoW

>runescape
if your focus is more on socializing and playing with the economy. its a poor mans eve online with a little bit of theme park thrown in. dont except amazing animations.

>secret world
the story and atmosphere are amazing, the combat is shit. most of the fun from the game is gonna be found in investigation missions and some of the dungeons. pvp is an interesting concept, but it usually boils down to everyone using swords.


word of advice, stay the fuck away from SWTOR. even if your a huge sw fan, its a painfully generic game with horrible writing all around.

id recommend lotro if you want something new yet strangely familiar.
secret world if you like modern day setting and like hearing about lore and 10/10 character dialog
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>>253297581


You just reminded me of Pirate of the Burning Sea.

When I had shit taste invideo game and didn't care about it.
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>>253288159
Not that guy, neither have i any idea of planetside, but being able to buy an advantage (resources, in this case) means its essentially P2W.
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I really like Spiral Knights, mostly for the godly sprite work and cozy feel of the whole game. Plus they fixed the whole Pay To Play bullshit some time ago.
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>>253297965
>exclamation point over head
Instant shit game trigger. It's become like an instinct.
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>>253298020
>>253297820
The thread is about MMOs
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>>253288159
I can't drive vehicules (especially aircrafts) because I did not spend money on upgrades for them. It like flying on an empty shell.
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>>253297970
Last time I checked the resources are used to buy vehicles from the spawnpoints, so yes, paying allows you to use vehicles more often, which is an advantage.
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>>253298208
Both PoE and LotR Online are MMO's.
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>>253288159
>resource-based massive PvP
>you can buy resources
>not P2W
You fuckers with your delusions are part of what makes those games shit. Just admit reality when it is in front of your eyes.

Same exact problem with GW2

>WvWvW is resource based
>you can buy resources
>"b-b-b-but it's not P2W!"
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>>253284324
my nigga
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I heard neverwinter is a fair F2P MMO
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>>253298447
>Path of Exile is an online Action RPG set in the dark fantasy world of Wraeclast. We're a small independent team of hardcore gamers based in New Zealand and have created Path of Exile as the game that we'd want to play ourselves. It is designed around a strong barter-based online item economy, deep character customisation, competitive PvP and ladder races. The game is completely free and will never be "pay to win". If you'd like to play, just create an account.

Developer description of their own game.
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>>253288761
you are mad as fuck
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>>253289018
No they aren't
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This thread was made to lure me in, wasn't it?
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>>253299249
Looks like shit but good, what game?
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My favourite MMOs are Pokemon, XCOM and Starcraft 2
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>>253298762
And what is that supposed to tell me? It's still an MMO.
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>>253299214
Yes they are.
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>>253299249
wut gaem pls
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>>253299601
Give me some reasons why then
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DCUO is the only F2P MMO that I enjoyed enough to actually spend money on.
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>>253299806
>>253299396
Kritika
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>>253299563
Can you see people playing the game as they move through the maps, those who are not in your party specifically? Thought so.

It's not an MMO. It's an online action RPG.

See where they only say "online"? If it was massively multiplayer online, they would have written MMO action rpg.

>in b4 I was just pretending to be stupid :^)
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>>253284137
Rift was fun for a solid month for me.
I didn't pay a dime and genuinely enjoyed it.
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>>253299976
JP only? IP blocked?
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>>253299563
>http://www.pathofexile.com/about/
>We do not classify Path of Exile as an MMORPG. It is a competitive online action RPG, and has little in common with games that are typically given the MMORPG moniker.
how don't you even know what the game you play is about? are you someone's girlfriend who just joined to play with your bf? are you some girl streamer that is only in for the money?
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/v/, please help a brother out and answer this; I've been wondering since I got so fucking fed up with GW2... is Aion any good?
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>>253300214
No and yes.
But your best bet is the JP version, since the Korean version requires a Korean cell phone number.
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Soon™
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>>253298476
>GW2
>P2W
And here come the retards
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>>253299976
I get this vibe that it'll be instance heavy, like Dragon Nest which I'm completely okay with. Combat looks neat enough, wonder how the PvP would be like.
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>>253300609
>Topdown MMO
why
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>>253300745
I wouldn't waste my time trying to play PVP on a game with a VPN.
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>>253300535
People praise it for the sieges. If GW2's WvWvW didn't interest you, chances are you will hate Aion.

If you thought that the WvWvW was too chaotic and you wished for it to be in a more controlled environment (like 30v30 only), then you may like its siege mode.

Other than endgame, it's generic MMO with generic fetch/kill quest and stand in one place autoattacking all game.

That's about it.
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Drift City with /v/ was fun a few years back but no one plays it any more

>TFW no good F2P Racing games till World Of Speed comes out
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>>253284234
>Star Trek Online
This. Lots to do, and none of it pay-walled.
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>>253300948
>Drift City

Holy fuck nostalgia
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>>253284418
>TERA
>Great World
You have horrible standards. TERA was one of the biggest flop MMOs to be released in the past 3 years. Horrible questing. Horrible cut and paste world. Not amount of fun combat will fix a game when the rest of it is a boring mess
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>>253300779
>third person MMO
>genre that is about having several players/enemies on-screen at once
oh god, why
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>>253300779
Because there are MMOs other than WoW?
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Anyone here tried Age of Wushu?

I haven't played it much but I thought it was really interesting and a step away from the sort of WoW clone mmo style that is most dominant.
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>>253285389
Black Desert isn't out.
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>>253300812
I wouldn't try it until it gets a publisher for NA, but what makes me curious is how it would play out. The combos, stun locking, etc.
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>>253300779
>people who started playing videogames in 2006
Ouch
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>>253301034

Pangya, Drift City, Maple Story, Ragnarok.

The days when /v/ was shit but fun. Instead of just shit
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>>253287590
http://mmoculture.com/2014/06/black-desert-north-america-and-europe-servers-in-final-negotiations/
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>>253301215
>I wouldn't try it until it gets a publisher for NA
Anon, you might want to sit down for this.
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>>253290370
>Latency problem
Australian detected
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>>253284137
DC Universe is fun.
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>>253299563
WHat is massively about PoE?
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>>253299976
The artstyle is weird, the colorful attacks don't mix well with the edgy grimdark backgrounds and enemies. I can just play DMC3 to get the same experience.
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>>253284234
>>253301024
Is it really? I started to play it and found the combat super tedious.
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>>253299976
>Those terrible stiff animations
Nah
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>>253301737
Find me an MMO with good animations and I will suck your dick over the internet.
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>>253301716
Well the ground combat is fairly boring, but if it's the space combat that you found tedious, then I don't believe it'll get any better for you.

If you haven't gotten to the space bits yet, I recommend sticking with it, as you'll be spending a good 70% of your time blowing ships up.
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>>253301489
retard detected
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>>253298221
This kids...

Hey i'm not going to spend a single cent on your game but i want all for free at the start.

you can get all items free except camos and other pure visual stuff
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>>253301904
Those aren't good. Get over it.
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>>253302037
Never said they were, still waiting for that MMO.
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>>253301629
Those games are just trying to be singleplayer games with unnecessary online, people walking on the background.

Not sure why they even exist.
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AQ worlds sucks!
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>>253301912
I found both pretty boring. Early in the game you had to fight Borg ships I think and I remember thinking
>god dammit, I've been shooting these same borg for like 10 mins with no variation
And I was only just over half done with the encounter. So that's when I stopped playing.
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>>253284137
Wakfu is still great
Eve is F2P
Mabinogi has been awesome for a long time. It's still playable. Kinda.
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>>253298476
In ps2 you will never have a resource problem, but, if you are a noob who dies instantly after spawning a vehicle thats your problem.

but m-muh p2w!!
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>>253302140
That's because koreans largely play all their games on internet cafes, the government actually funds developers and online publishers to make those game free available at cafes.

This is why we see singleplayer action games with online in korea, and players who come from a different place will get baited/confused by the existance of those, because we rarely play in internet cafes.
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there were lkots of good muds and nwn persistent servers, but i don't know if these exist anymore.

of course niglets on videogames board don't remember that
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>>253301086
>Anyone here tried Age of Wushu?
Yes, this game could be so fucking great if it wasn't for the fact that newcomers have no hope of ever in their life catching up to people who have been playing the game for a while. Powerlevel is 100% equivalent to time spent in the game.

I love everything about the game except for this fact, it could be fucking perfect.
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Are MMOs that go F2P and die off slowly making their money back on development and the like?

I mean did RIFT turn a positive profit before obscurity?
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>>253302449
So noobs going around being punished for being shit at the game by paying money is not P2W?

You are pretty desperate there.
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>>253284137
That's because P2W has an huge (and I would argue, detrimental) effect on the game development and design. If you design your MMO in the standard way, letting everyone experience the same difficulty curve and tools then players have no incentive to give you money. So you have to do things to get them to give you money. This usually involves making the difficulty/experience curve shit enough that players can't be bothered to grind it out and will pay you money to speed it up. Or it involves taking away tools and things players can do unless they pay you money. Either way is shit and ruins the game.

P2W games are just bad simulations of real life.
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Runescape. All the females have huge tits now.
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>>253300878
Same guy here. My story is:

I liked GW1 pvp. Got massively disappointed by GW2 proving crap in that regard.

I was hoping Aion could give me a decent pvp fix. Care to enlighten me some more?
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>>253302623
The combat was very boring back when I played. Beside shit ping problems, it devolved into spamming one or two skills until the enemy blocked, then guard crush and continue spamming your skill(s). There was basically no real force feedback either.
It was AFK2Win back then, I heard that changed.
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>there will never be a good sandbox game outside EVE for either F2P or P2P

Why live?
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>>253302449
>people genuinely defending paytowin now using mental hoops and excuses
so this is the future we are heading towards, eh..
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>>253302426

I was playing Wakfu/ Dofus when I was 12. I live in Belgium (we speak french).

I enjoyed it for a while but after a while it became lame as fuck. And it's still lame today I guess.
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>>253303118
Tree of Savior
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>>253302339
Eh, to each his own. I will say that the Romulan starting zone/leveling experience is probably the best these days, with a lot of variety and voice acting. But at least you gave it a shot, that's more than most chucklefucks give it.
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>>253303232
>I was playing Wakfu when I was 12
>release date 29th February 2012
Underageb& pls leave.
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>mfw planetside 2 is a theme park to planetside's sand box

The conversion could have been so simple. Smedley and Higby are betrayers, or just incompetent, or greedy, or all of those.
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>>253303058
>It was AFK2Win back then, I heard that changed.
I played it recently, like 4 months back and it still definitely is afk2win
There's just way too much waiting in the game.

>it devolved into spamming one or two skills until the enemy blocked, then guard crush and continue spamming your skill(s)
That only works at the beginning. Later on when you own multiple skillsets it changes.
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>>253303118
Apparently the audience got stupider on average, according to analysts and publishers.
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>>253303754
>I played it recently, like 4 months back and it still definitely is afk2win
Sorry, forgot my disclaimer that I was playing EU, which is a couple of months behind US.

I wish they would set up a fresh server on Wushu, I'd just on that in the blink of an eye.
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>>253302637

If you play the game u will notice that 50% resource boost doesn't matter because at first levels you need to wait 20 minutes or more to spawn another tank, aircraft... and the only form to decrease this spawn time is with certifications (obtainable only by playing)
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>>253284630
Did it work with Planetside 2?
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>>253303754
I was near max level and it was still like this. Scholars were spin2win, bettygroup was claw2win, everyone else was trying to survive by keeping the same one skill spamming at all time.
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>>253303265
Has line dungeons, has quest rewards for beating said dungeons, and the developers openly stated that those rewards are worth obtaining.

Not interested in trade-offs and compromises. Sandbox or bust.
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>>253303118
Join the offline space games party m8.
Fuck multiplayer.
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>>253303886
>>253303265

Well I mean currently released, the "best" ones are what? EVE and Dofus/Wakfu?
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>>253303928
Obtainable by paying as well for a lot of things. The bomber situation was pretty fun.
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>>253303407
>Dofus
>Release date September 2004
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http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD247CFCA5FEB8078
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>>253304148
Pretty much, yeah.
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>>253304053
Not really because of optimization.
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Realm of the Mad God is alright. P2W as fuck though
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>>253304115
>Scholars were spin2win
Sounds like you fought some bad people. Spin2win can be punished because there'll be a small timeframe during which red armour has run out but the animation has not yet ended allowing you to set up any combo you like.

I mean, sure, in group fights aka guild wars and school wars it's still the most OP skill ever, but I mostly played the game for small scale pvp and duelling.

Talking about small scale pvp the fact that people abused the fuck to get out of bounties with alts pissed me off quite a bit.
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>Archeagefags

when will you guys learn?
wildstar was the last straw for me, I'm not buying another MMO until I see one gaining 10m subs+ in a year
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>>253303928
Why are you purposefully omitting the higher levels from your analysis? Oh, right, because that one is affected by P2W.
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>>253304579

>the more subs something has, the better it is

Enjoy never playing anything again
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>>253304579
You should be steering the fuck away from mmos that gain lots of subscribers quickly and instead focus on those that are steadily gaining subscribers for a long period of time.
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>>253304579
Did you imply that WoW is a good MMO right there?
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>>253289639
Jedi Outcast, also look into the Rogue Squadron series.
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>>253304553
>there'll be a small timeframe during which red armour has run out
>mfw he really believes this
How SHIT do you have to BE to say something like that?
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Archeage looks promising.
But it might just become another huge cash-shop shit hole
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>>253304579
>Call of Duty is the best game ever made. 15 million players can't be wrong!
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>>253303407

Learn to read. I said Wakfu/ Dofus.
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>>253305039
Exactly, moron.
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>>253304858

Star Wars Racer, though you might have some trouble getting it to run these days...

PROTIP: emulate the n64 version
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>mmos garbage
>west trash
>korea trash
What a horrible genre
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>>253305153

Are you completly retarded or what ?

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dofus
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RIFT
You have access to just as much stuff without a single payment and it doesn't beat you over the face with real money required items.
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>>253304903
I believe it because I know it's true. I've been fighting a RG buddy quite often while I played scholar. We specifically trained for this and he ended up being able to pull it off consistently.
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>>253305326
>literally can't write a sentence worth shit
>thinks others are retarded
typical.
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>>253304903
It's the same faggots who think that monks are not broken in PvP because you have 2 frames to disjoint their attack that kills every class in one shot, with a specific item that takes up one accessory slot. And that is assuming that you are not statused.
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>>253299976
>dat stiff no weight animations
Just stick to good action games come from good old Japan, Korea can't make good game
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>>253305375
Stop taking 5 hours to press the spin button and maybe you wouldn't be so awful at this game.
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>>253301230
not the guy but playing shit since forever. Topdown MMOs are... I don't know, just go fuck yourself.
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>>253305470
>>253305470
>monks are not broken in PvP because you have 2 frames to disjoint their attack that kills every class in one shot
What game are you talking about anon? Because it sure as fuck ain't the Age of Wushu I played.

note that on my server the 4th class skillset hadn't been enabled yet
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>>253304615

you can kill with the starter weapons with the same number of bullets that with one that cost 1000 certs.

You die in the same number of shots as a free player and as a member

A member get 25 more resources in one wave ( a tank cost near 400 and the cap is 750
>p2w
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>>253305565
nigger the window of opportunity happens AFTER the spin ends, not before it starts up

How quickly I press spin2win has nothing to do with this
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>>253302118
EVE
Tera
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>>253305769
EVE and TERA both have horrible animations though.
Especially EVE.
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>>253305543
After all these years trying to be japan number 2, why korea still can't make good game?
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>>253305639
>you can kill with the starter weapons with the same number of bullets that with one that cost 1000 certs.
With premium shit, you can one-shot a dozen people from across the map. Without premium shit, you couldn't kill a faggot from 2 meters away.
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Fuck off. Not even the subscription based MMOs are good.
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>Rift's F2P is ok in that it doesn't really hide anything important in a paywall. The problem is that while the game is pretty solid in all aspects, it doesn't have anything to keep people in.

What exactly does that mean?
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>>253305543
>Just stick to good action games come from good old Japan
Such as?
No really, I can't think of many modern good action games from Japan aside from maybe MGR.
Even less on PC.
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any shitty game can be good if you're playing it with friends

see worm, the game /v/ played the shit out of despite how awful it was
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>>253305717
The amount of retardation in this post is so dense it influenced parallel realities to the point that even in these where you didn't make this post, it's still retarded.
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>>253305823

there is not premium shit, all the weaponry is available to all players.
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>>253305928
>PC
That your problem
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>>253305639
>getting more resources
>it's okay because the advantage is not massive
>that means there is no advantage!
Yeah, I'll stick to logic, you keep up with your fanboyism and sunk cost fallacy justifications.
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>>253302783
It's amazing how it still looks like it could be played on a PS2.
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>>253306032
Of course, paying a premium to get weapons is a choice every player can take, goyim!
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>>253284137
I find it fun
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>>253306045
Which ones on consoles then?
And don't you dare mention handhelds, all the beat em ups and action games there are even worse than Kritika in all regards.
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Firefall
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I really enjoy face of mankind
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why are there no good sci fi mmos? anarchy online was cool but its outdated and being managed badly
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>>253305928
Vanquish, Bayo, God hand, binary something ?
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>>253306225
>modern
And Binary Domain isn't a beat em up.
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>>253284234
2004 or something
>ST:O concept preview
>ship interiors
>more than 1 player on ship, each with his own role
>super cool specializing in role
>life on ship
>hardcore on bridge
>hang out with your buddies in the ship cafeteria while exploring galaxies

2010 and completely forgot:
>see beta
>download beta jerking off
>I drive a spaceship like a moped

Never again. Never again.
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>>253306080
It's a browser based Java game. Whaddya want?
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>>253287981
>>253288159
>>253292973

3 Dumb niggers in a row.

Somebody who pays SOE gets twice as many resources which means twice as much grenade spam, max spam, vehicle spam, air spam, etc.

Somebody who pays SOE also gets certs much, much faster, which means that if two players start at the same time and one of them pays, he will become much more powerful, much more quickly.

PS2 is pay 2 win, per the strictest definition of the term. There is no way to refute the fact that having twice as many resources is a significant, game changing advantage that scales exponentially the more people you have paying for the advantage in an area.

Skill and numbers being the same, if you take two outfits, the one that has more paying players will be able to accomplish more, every time.

The end. Discussion over.

We could have a discussion if paying did not grant you increased resources and certs, but it does, so there is no discussion. It is Pay 2 Win, because resources and certs are paramount.
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>>253284418
problem with Tera is that the whole ordeal about that game is fighting huge monsters
for me at least, fighting the huge monsters just isn't fun
so the whole game collapses immediately when the main draw of the game isnt fun
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>>253306162


what

I played like 5 hours of that thing

It was just... so unfun.

what did you like about it?
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>>253305982
oh so you're just shitposting at this point?
well have fun then
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Runescape.

Oh wait nevermind
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>you will never play SWG again

inb4 people post that dead raped husk of a body emulator
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>>253306326
Well I really enjoyed the role playing aspect of it. Met some good bros on the led side and ranked up until we created our own department. I remember getting Skype calls for raids on the prison at like 4am, good times.
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>>253306269
>action game
Well, just stick to your weeb shit korea garbage m8
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>>253304134
how do you even learn that game
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>>253304790
no, it's garbage but at least it's alive

(I wanted to come back for WoD but I ended up cancelling my pre-order after they stated that flying will be back in 6.1)
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>>253306283
Transformers Universe is browser based and looks way better than Runescape
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>>253306269
And what you got? horrible stiff no weight stun lock grindfest?
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>>253306631
>Comparing an action cover shooter to a beat em up
Full fucking retard.
And completely unnecessary considering the MMO market is literally flooded with those kinds of games.
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>>253305618
I forgot to say that it's Ragnarok Online, my bad.

There is a class that one-shots (literally oneshots, I'm not saying it deals good damage, LITERALLY oneshots) every 10 seconds or so; it is a medium-range single-target cast that with a proper PvP build, is about 1/10th of a second. Now, there is a time window in which you can hide to disjoint the spell, but it's not the cast-time, it's a very, very specific part of the animation that happens once the spell has already finished casting, it's about 2 frames. Of course, you have to take lag into account, and its random fluctuations.

People say it's balanced, because you CAN avoid it. What they don't understand is that you can get statused and so made unable to cast hide with the precise timing (curing silence takes time for the information to travel server-side, and curse cannot be self-removed except if a third party removes it for you), and of course, pushing one button as soon as you have it ready is a million times easier than having a strict time window to disjoint it.

It's no surprise, monks are about 90% of what the PvP consists of, despite there being several classes/builds.

Infact it's the only class that can effectively kill a player, because one-shot is always better than gradual damage, due to massive healing in the game.

But the monks (it's always the monks, of course) claim the class is perfectly balanced because one out of 30 one-shots get disjointed.
MMO pvp balance is... hilarious at times.
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>>253305841
It means that while the game doesn't jew you out with telling you to pay for the game, it also doesn't hold any appeal for you to play it for free anyway
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>>253306896
>>253306631
>Japan is so much better than Korea guys
>"What do they make nowadays that's so much better"
>PFFT, WHATEVER, STICK TO YOUR SHITTY KOREAN GAMES
Every thread.
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>>253305823
>With premium shit, you can one-shot a dozen people from across the map. Without premium shit, you couldn't kill a faggot from 2 meters away.
Confirmed for never having played the game.
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>>253307067
I don't understand what better about these korea mmo garbage?
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>>253307067
Hae Joo pls
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>>253307067
It' pretty sad that the only asian can make good game is Japan, i'm sick of this shit hole
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>>253303886
>tfw so much to see in LotRO

I haven't felt this sense of scale since Morrowind.
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>>253284137
There is not a single good MMO
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>>253307010

Ah, gotcha. I played Rift in the beta, didn't do release. It didn't pack a punch for me as other mmo's did.
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>>253304504
and hideous as fuck
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>>253303886
>have been playing videogames for a while
>be presented with a 50 hours long, mandatory tutorial that requires 15 IQ in order to reach the fabled "endgame", the fun part
>somehow people who have played games already are not annoyed by this
I will never understand how can people put up with handholdy MMO. It's like going to retarded class but not being retarded.

At some point you must say "alright, what the fuck is this, can you treat me like I got a brain for once? Can I do some engaging activity that is actually fun and doesn't feel like an autism contest in which everyone won by default?"
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is runescape better now with the legacy combat update
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>>253304579
a million flies can't be wrong; eating shit is awesome
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>>253308313
>I will never understand how can people put up with handholdy MMO. It's like going to retarded class but not being retarded.
You start with the premise that those people are not retarded in the first place.
That's where you're wrong. MMOs like the ones you talk about are specifically tailored for an audience that is too stupid to play any sort of challenging videogames, that is why the hard side of them are usually less than 1% of the entire content overall, and carefully placed behind several grinding/padding walls (so normies do not get mad that some competent people beat the content day-one, as it would make them realize how shit they are).
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>>253308639
That explains why dota 2 is so popular
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>>253303886
Pretty much the only nice thing about GW 2 these day.
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>>253309675
Lel of Lelgends is far more popular, so it must be an even bigger pile of shit.
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