>People complain about "wasted slots" >Melee

>>253029353

Dark Pit

>>253029481
This.

>>253029481
/thread

Dark Pit is the most correct answer

>>253029481
probably will be a costume like dark link

>>253029353
There already has been such a character announcement and that is the Mii Fighter.

>>253029759

i hope to god that hes just a costume

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>Chrom

>>253029847
>not liking putin in smash

>>253029353
pretty sure Nintendo added in Pichu last minute to bring the CSS up to 25 so Nintendo could claim they "more than doubled the roster #" for the next game

Probably Dark Pit or another 3rd party rep that isn't Sorid Snaku

I do think Dark Pit will be an assist trophy tho

>>253030620
Also, they were lazy and cloning Pikachu was easy enough

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>we'll never get Raichu

>>253029353
Pichu
Seriously tho, K. Rool, especially his fat fuck incarnation

Holy shit, Melee had so many clones.

>Fox, Falco
>Marth, Roy
>Link, Young Link
>Captain Falcon, Ganondorf
>Pikachu, Pichu
>Mario, Luigi, Dr Mario

That's more than half the roster.

>>253030779
Dr.Mario was probably simpler. Literally the exact same model with a pill instead of a fireball. Played differentm though

>>253031276

The game was rushed and only had 1 year dev time. It was either clones or dedede. I'm glad they picked clones

>>253029847
Actually, not a lot of people were disappointed by Mii fighter. Maybe YOU were disappointed but you don't think that's literally everyone right?

>>253031726
>hatin on my nigga D Cubed

>>253031276
Sakurai has stated that in the time it takes to create one original character, he can make six clones. I personally wouldn't have traded Falco, Roy, YLink, Ganondorf, Pichu, and Dr Mario for ONE character. Would you?

>>253029481
What if he used different items and attacks? As in, he wasn't a clone at all, they just looked similar?

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>>253031726
>Hating DeDeDe

Get the fuck out

>>253029481
this. good thing it isn't happening and he'll just be a boss or palette swap at most. ;)

>>253031276
I'd say Falco, Ganondorf, and Luigi are distinct enough in their playstyles to not be true clones but yeah the roster was not Melee's strongest suit
>>253032092
>look, I posted it again!

>>253032092
Sakurai stated that Wavedashing was known before the game was shipped but left in. He didn't predict it would manifest as such a massive skill divide.

>>253029353
Pichu, duh

>>253032092

wavedashing is an obvious result of the physics. It's like rocket jumping or bunny hopping. The only issue is the devs didn't know it would be used how it is today

>>253032149
Well now we have Toon Link, three Star Fox reps for no reason, and a sword taunt.

>>253032436
Nobody really cares about Brawl though.

>>253032639
You don't speak for everyone though.

>>253032740
You don't really understand hyperbole though.

>>253029481
>>253029542
>>253029673
>>253032240
He's getting in, but he won't be a clone as so many of you think. He'll use other weapons from KIU.

>>253029353
They already did it, Rosalina.

>>253032902
>He's getting in

As a boss or palette swap.

>>253032910
Rosalina's not a clone you nigger

>>253032436
How is this even a reply? Like, because we had clones in the first game, now Brawl is ruined because if had a few more clones? Not even enough clones that would have freed dev time for a full fledged character. Who cares? You realize the time cost of remaking clones into original characters is on par with the time for a new character, if anything, your anger regarding clones would be better directed at newcomers with original movesets, don't you think?

Also, a clone is not always just a clone. Look up Luigification.

>>253029847
How the fuck is a customizable character with 3 unique movesets worse than Pichu who's a shitty clone?

>>253029353
Pichu was at least the character you go to when you wanted to utterly humiliate friends. The characters people are complaining about don't have that about them, they're just genuinely boring.

>>253032902
There is absolutely no reason why he should be a separate character

>>253032254
>>253032304
It was left in because it wasn't gamebreaking. Debugging is a lot tedious process that can also result in more bugs, when you are working on a small dev time, you have to think whether or not a bug is a big enough deal to attempt to fix. The lack of wavedashing in brawl is evident that they didn't care for it and if melee actually had a much longer dev time, it wouldn't have existed.

>>253032304
But of course he'd say that, why would a dev admit he missed a glitch and instead not just claim it was intentional all along? It's obvious, otherwise, why never mention it till way later when everyone knew about it and asked him about it?

I would be pumped as shit if they announced Pichu if he was actually different than a smaller/floatier Pikachu

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>>253029481
>Dark Pit doesn't get in
>His appearance in Palutena's trailer is actually foreshadowing a 2nd trailer continuing off the 1st one
>2nd trailer reveals Hades

>>253032254
>I'd say Falco, Ganondorf, and Luigi are distinct enough
No, just Luigi. Ganondorf is the worst case since he has jack fucking shit to do with C. Falcon.

>>253033416
>it's not in subsequent titles so it's a bug
Is retaining momentum into a jump also a glitch? They removed dozens of glitches throughout various versions of Melee from to 1.1 NTSC and PAL but wavedashing remained in all of them.

>>253033341
>at least
No, just no, he had absolutely nothing and is infinitely worse of a spot than any other addition in the series, by far.

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>>253033348
>Thinking Sakurai's favoritism knows any bounds

>>253032902
What makes you actually confident of such a shitty idea? That kid Icarus would, after ONE new game, receive two totally original characters, and not only that, but that one who could easily be a clone would NOT be a clone (even though Sakurai loves making clones) thus adding an enormous amount of dev time. What could possible have made that seem like a reasonable idea to you?

Honestly, had you even thought this through before you said it?

>>253033243
So you're fine with three Landmasters?

>>253033416
>>253033493

because it's not a glitch. see >>253032431

That's why he said it wasn't a matter of leaving it in or taking it out. It is completely an engine thing

Brawl was built from the ground up and uses a different engine.

>>253033795
then why no bandana dee?

>>253033341
>they're just genuinely boring.
Every other character is miles more interesting than Pichu.

why does dark pit even exist? he's just an edgy pit

>>253033910
>Sakurai
>Having anything to do with Kirby post 2003 other than being an adviser for Amazing Mirror
Pick one

>>253033897
>because it's not a glitch.
He himself said it was, it doesn't matter if it's a result from the engine, it's still an unintended result, i.e: a glitch

>>253034085
I still bet he loves kirby though.

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>>253034097

no he didn't and it's still not a glitch.

>>253033871
Personally? I don't care because I don't play Brawl. From the perspective of someone who thinks about game development pragmatically? Sure, I don't really care, I don't see the problem with clones sharing final smashes. If landmaster was actually fun to play as and against in the first place I think this wouldn't be a problem, and it has less to do with there being three of them and more to do with it just being a bad idea alone.

Since you sidestepped it, let me ask again, why bother getting mad about clones? Why not get mad about newcomers receiving new movesets, which is actually a much more significant sink of dev time that deprived you of developments you wanted. Clones are a tiny amount of game dev time, reworking them entirely is actually just adding more and more necessarily limited time. Brawl has a necessarily limited budget, so where else is it going to come out of? Because it certainly won't be new clones, which are not enough to equal even one new character.

>>253033336
>customizable character in a game celebrating Nintendo All-Stars that brings nothing interesting in terms of stages and music that has movesets that could have gone to actual Nintendo characters

That's how.

>>253034042
He's actually Pit if he could fly on his own. He's an alright guy, surprisingly.

>>253033897
They could still have it be implemented regardless of a new engine, the fact they went out of their way to not. Shows their disregard towards the bug.
I don't see why this is so complicated.

>>253031276
The only clones are Falco, Roy, Y. Link, Ganon, Pichu and Dr. Mario, the originals AND Luigi dont count as clones.

Clones are not a wasted slot because they take a tiny fraction of the work a real character takes.
They re use all the special move effects, they re use the move design, and they are mostly balanced around the original.
The only original work is in the model and all that shit which really is easy to do for a 3D game like smash, for a sprite based game it is more work but that is not the case here.
We are past the point when a system couldn't hold enough data space for multiple characters.
They don't assign a character limit before deciding the rooster, if a clone is created then the slots are increased.
Clones taking away real characters is one of the biggest bullshits around and only retards still believe it.

>>253035026

They did that because Brawl was purposely made slow and they limited movement option out the ass.

Shulk

>>253034884

that's exactly how I feel about miis. There are hundreds of ways they could have included miis. The fighting mii team would have been great

>>253033628
I'd love that, but I lost all hope when he didn't rip through Palutena's trailer. I was very disappointed.

>>253029481

Dark Pit will probably just be an alternate of Pit with a different voice and poses and shit. If he's an actual different character I'd hope sakurai would have at least make it so he's completely different playstyle-wise since there's a lot of shit to make a different moveset from in KI:U. I'd still be annoyed tho.

Any more Pokemon. Seriously, there are enough Pokemon reps, no more please.

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>>253029353
Even people who prefer Melee hated Pichu too, you dipshit, research more before posting kiddo

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>>253035784

>>253034821
I just want Ganondorf to be a unique character.

>>253034160

He does but he didn't make Bandana Dee a prominent character.

>>253035597

Pokemon is Nintendo's second biggest franchise, it and Mario are allowed to have as many characters as they want.

>>253036426
I do too, but so many people are used to Captain Ganondorf that they would bitch if he was changed in any way.
Hopefully Sakurai doesn't roll over for them. If he even includes Ganondorf.

>>253038786
Ehh, i think the only thing people like most about Ganondorf is his Brawl Side B explode thing.

>>253038786
Just let Black Shadow take Falcondorf's moveset and let Ganondorf get his own.

>>253038107
doesn't pokemon already have an equal amount of characters as mario?
why should it have more than mario?
waluigi ;_;

>>253039051

Mario has more if you count the spin-offs (Yoshi, DK, and Wario).

>>253038939
Black Shadow is a shit F-Zero character, though. Pico would be baller, though.

>>253038939

I recently spoke with Sakurai's cat, and he confirmed that Hades is the new Captain Falcon clone.

>>253039051
Because most of Mario's notable characters are split up between different franchises. Wario, Yoshi, and Donkey Kong are all also Mario characters.

>>253029353
Sounds like you've never had the pleasure of beating your tourneyfag friends with a pichu

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Calling Luigi a clone of Mario in Smash is like saying Ken is a clone of Ryu in SF

Another Fire Emblem rep

>>253042567
>is like saying Ken is a clone of Ryu in SF
There's a reason they're called "shotoclones"

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More grills

>>253032092
Then explain why multiple versions like 1.01, 1.02 AND pal (which is the final product) were made

Fucking faggot. Stop talking about this series

>>253045349
Cause it was an inherent flaw in the engine, and they'd have to rebuild the game from the ground up to get rid of it.

>>253042567
Except he is???

>>253045672

I'm talking about bug testing and fixes the new versions brought, momentum from directionnal airdodge is neither a bug nor a flaw, the devs wouldn't had fixed that, and trust me, it is doable by simply reducing the value of momentum while airdodging towards the ground.

>>253042567
It'd be more like calling Gouken and Ryu clones or something.

Ryu and Ken is more Fox / Falco or Roy / Marth