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>Katana is a weapon type on its own, seperate from other swords

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>Katana is a weapon type on its own, seperate from other swords
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Try using a Katana the way you use a longsword and see how quick you wind up with a broken katana.

Shitty inferior weeb steel
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>japanese developer
>japanese weapons are over powered
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>>243332763
European blades just look more generic. It's probably more about the novelty. Katanas look different from your everyday double edged sword. Video games operate on the rule of cool, so if something looks unique or awesome, they've gotta have good stats.
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>>243332529
Is this Ken-sama in an other dimension?
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>>243332763
>japanese developer
>western setting
>japanese weapons are overpowered
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>Katanas are supposed to be wielded with 2 hands
>Game lets you use it with 1 hand
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If you grouped a katana up with other 2 handed swords then you'd be swinging it around like a giant hunk of steel.
Katana would be kill before you could kill a rat
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>>243333194
But Katanas are gay as fuck. So following that train of though, shouldn't they suck ass?
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How whipper can a nigga do.
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>>243332529
>This guy has a gf he can cuddle with before going to sleep and engage in regular coitus
>You dont

Think about it.
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> yfw Ken-sama is actually alpha
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Well they are different swords.
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>>243333194
A Zweihander looks plenty good.

If we're operating solely on cool, why arent flails more common?
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>>243335027

we think that we can at least laugh at losers like this on the internet but then we realize that in fact we've been the real losers this whole time. then we continue to laugh at ourselves as our lives sink deeper into despair.
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A katana is a motorcycle bro.
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>>243332529
>you will never wear a kimono and sing Japanese boy just for shits and giggles
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>>243335291
But you can't duel wield motorbikes
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>>243332637
>>243334359
>implying anyone knows anything about using any sword
practicing cosplay poses in front of the mirror doesn't count, autists
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>>243333536
Ken-sama is a real guy, it's actually pretty funny to think just how out of context his picture has always been taken.
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>>243335528
LIKE FUCK I CAN'T
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>>243334241
It can be done either way. They just hated Shields so they usually went two handed, but Miyamoto is a good example of one handed.

I'd really like to see Glaives, or Nagintas, or whatever more frequently though.

>>243335550
It's not hard to read the actual treatises and get a general idea.
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>>243335697
But that's just two Katanas sitting on the ground. I bet they're never used at the same time. One is just a backup, Miyamoto Musashi be damned
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>>243333194
are you trying to tell me with a straight face that claymores aren't downright beautiful swords?

Fuck Katanas; Scottish swords are where it's at. They're far better forged, as well. I like Katanas; I think they're gorgeous weapons, but I'll take a a claymore or some other longsword over a weeb fantasy anyday.
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>>243336006
forgot pic
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>>243332529
Anyone who knows anything about actual weaponry and physics....

Knows katanas are fucking terrible.
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>>243335703
>They just hated Shields so they usually went two handed

I don't really know anything about sword play, but it was my understanding that katanas are made for a more mobile fight, side-step and swipe, side step and swipe, whereas longswords are made to be smack at each other and on shields.

I'm not sure how many tid-bids you pick up on /tg/ are actually true.
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R.I.P Ken Sama
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>>243336126
>tfw Witcher ditched the one-handed claymore look for the silver swords in 2
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European blade > Japanese Konata
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>>243336151
The styles were different, but they weren't any more mobile than rapier equipped Europeans really. In all honesty they used to use shields but armor made them fall out of favor, like in Europe.

I just think mainland Asia is more interesting for the most part, there's a lack of of diversity in Japan I'd argue.
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>Drying Pole is a relatively long katana
>Washing Pole is a really long katana, not a relatively short katana

For fuck's sake, From.
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>>243335182
>If we're operating solely on cool, why arent flails more common?

Because a mace or war-hammer does a better job of caving in heads without the worry of collateral damage. Flails are fucking dogshit.
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>>243337236
But blunt weapons were for armor, not fleshy stuff

>>243337040
nodachi
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>>243337236
You've just completely ignored his question.
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No shit Europeans words are stronger than Katanas you dumbshits

European swords were made to break bones covered by armor while Katana was made to slice flesh on people who didn't wear thick armor
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>>243332529
>>243332529
The Miao Dao disagrees

>Raiden's sword in Metal Gear Rising is actually closer to a Miao Dao than a Katana, and he even wields it like one.
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>>243336836

Not really. My point was that Flails can't be cool because they are dogshit. You can't fucking duel someone with a flail, the whole fight takes on a David and Goliath vibe and the guy with the flail gets wrecked every time. Holywood has ingrained this in us.
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>>243336274
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>>243333194
>>243332763
>not using superior middle east swords
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>>243335528
You just fucking watch me.
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>>243337774
meant to quote>>243337536
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>>243337807
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>>243335528
I'm sure there was a movie where someone dual wielded motorbikes. I'm not sure if it was a Hulk movie or a Hellboy movie.
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>>243337807

He will be in our memories
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>>243336151
Katana use, ideally, relies on finesse, so trying to use it one-handed is incredibly stupid, and completely pointless.
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>>243337678
Gosh that is a nice sword. I love swords. Every type of sword there is. But that is a nice fucking sword.
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>>243335027
>>243335267
she's probably fat though so it's ok
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>weapons are organized into tiers
>Claymore sword is in a higher-tier than the katana
>mfw weebs
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>>243335550
It's not sword/katana its swordPLUSkatana.
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>>243338203
Well he controls 95% of her diet so he could slim her down if he wanted to.
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>>243338173
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>maces, hammers, and axes are all in the same category
>axes dealing bash/blunt/smash damage instead of cutting/slashing
KILL ME
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>>243338203
If the picture in the OP is her, she doesn't really look fat.
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>>243333194
>European blades just look more generic.
>Saying this when most of the Japanese blades follow the same retarde design
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>>243338456
That is silly. I like those swords, but their handles always seem silly to me. They look uncomfortable. I like big long handles.
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>>243338173

Zodd, pls go
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For fags who don't know shit about katanas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLWzH_1eZsc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF1JV1eTZVw
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>katana does more damage to armored enemies than a regular sword
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>>243338832
Pretty much why I posted that sword.
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>>243338536

>tfw Mountain Blade is still the only rpg with good AND realistic axes

I hate how retarded axes always are in games
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Hi swords are fun

>>243338878
Lindybiege is cool and all but lately he seems to be talking more and more about stuff he doesnt know about.
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>>243339047
>Swords do damage to armored enemies
>They aren't halfswording
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>>243339203
To be fair, I like both.
Normal axes and hatchets as welp as the crazy huge ones.
I just love throwing some axes as a means of offense.
The great axe knight is my gotcha force main because that's what his special is: unlimited throwing of big ass axes for 10 seconds.
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>>243339638

>halfswording
>not mordhau
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>>243339047
Katanas are actually more effective against armored opponents than unarmored ones. The vengeful earth spirit forged at its center—at exactly the 500th fold, before being folded over another 500 times—not only strengthens and sharpens its pure Japanese steel, it's thrown into a fury at the mere taste of inferior metal (especially dishonorabu European) and will rend platemail like it was cloth.
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>>243339587
>through the sharp end
That's where he fucked up.
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>with great skill:

jian > katana > long sword

>i know how to use a sword skill:

long sword > jian > katana

>i want to kill shit skill:

long sword > katana > jian

>i want to kill shit dead, forever:

mace >>>>
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>>243340038
XD
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>>243339949
To be fair, they're all part of the same style of fighting
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>character is a simple knight with a European long sword
>Final weapon is Katana
>Sudden Kendo master
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>>243340127

>retarded dumb list
yours
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>>243339047
Of course a katana made of superior japanese steel and folded over 1.000 times is going to cut through western armor like tissue paper.
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>>243340127
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>>243332529
>being a filthy disgusting weaboo
>also not vidya
Kill yourself.
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No weapon user can ever hope to defeat a wielder of the Speedforce.
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>>243340541
Bitch aint got shit on the power cosmic
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>all swords are just listed under one weapon type
>your character that uses longswords suddenly has the training to use greatswords, rapiers, broadswords, shortswords, all types of swords despite each sword requiring a different skillset/knowledge base
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>>243332529
>gomenasai /v/...
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>>243340541
So is that the result of the writers saying "fuck it, let's just make him OP as shit?"
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>>243340951
That's my favorite weapon in Chivalry. Jack of all trades.
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>>243341020
Comic writers are terrible

News at 11
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>>243341020
Yeah but then they occasionally make them shittier than others to continue whatever narrative they're after.

Their power levels bounce around rapidly, being able to throw a punch faster than light should break the laws of physics with the Inertia behind that.
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>>243340541
except the world
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Oh shit nigga one of these threads.
>Year of our lord 1096
>Not kicking the crap out of Kebab on their hometurf.
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>>243341020
It's more than likely just a case of a writer not knowing just how fucking small an attosecond is
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>>243339949
what the hell is the guy on the left doing.
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>Certain swords can only be used two handed
>Certain swords can only be used one handed
>Shields cannot be used in the main hand or two handed for extra stability
This may sound silly to expect it from every game but Demon's/Dark Souls spoiled me when it came to this. I think a lot more games should have this.
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>>243341323

Besides getting his brains smeared on the inside of his helmet? halfswording. You kinda use the sword like a spear, better to guide it into gaps in armor.
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>>243335528
>>243338029


>Dual wielding motorcycles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UpOTHprtOec#t=2888
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>>243341643
oh shit i meant to say the guy on the right.
is that something that would actually be useful in any situation?
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>>243332529

>guy does most of the cooking

betamax
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>>243340270
Its true though, if someone knows what they're doing with a Jian you're kind of fucked unless you're good at dodging, can keep a distance, or are wearing some kind of hardass armor.

The katana is over rated as fucked and was used by jackass samurai to kill eachother and also peasants. Its good at cutting people up but thats about it.

Long sword is still the most effective and fucking things up in general and is fairly retard proof.
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>>243341834
Armour got so tough that it was more feasible you club your opponent
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>>243341834

Mordhau. You use the pommel or guard as a hammer. It actually did work, if the guy is too armored for you to hurt him with a slashing blow and you can't get in a thrust you don't have much option. Obviously an actual war hammer or pick or something would be better, but it works.
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Why does the myth or katanas cutting steel and shit exist? Who made that shit up? And why does it still exist?
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>>243341834
Watch and learn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi757-7XD94
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>>243342249
anime and japanese video games
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>>243342249
Other than stale pasta? fictional works
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>>243341913

>ts true though, if someone knows what they're doing with a Jian you're kind of fucked unless you're good at dodging, can keep a distance, or are wearing some kind of hardass armor.
Same with any sword, are you retarded?

>The katana is over rated as fucked and was used by jackass samurai to kill eachother and also peasants. Its good at cutting people up but thats about it.
Yeah, same with every sword again.

>Long sword is still the most effective and fucking things up in general and is fairly retard proof.
>fairly retard proof
what do you even think that means?

>>243342249
Partially because of weaboos and other japanophiles, and partly because westerners for some retarded reason seem to take stupid Japanese bullshit for fact. It'd be as retarded as believing king arthur and his knights stories are 100% fact.

History channel doesn't help, I still remember they've done more than one retarded katana-dicksucking documentary about muh folded steel and heat treatment. It's like some motherfuckers seriously don't know Japan didn't invent that, and actually discovered it way later than any Europeans.
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>>243342249
The katana is over rated yes but it is very good at what it does. In a video game terminology it min maxes to do the most damage to a person wearing no armor or japanese armor in a single stroke. What it lacks in durability and practicality it makes up for in being hard as fuck to deal with if your opponent is unarmored and coming at you with something that isn't a spear or bow.
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>>243337678
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Vg4O7g9js
How legit is this, besides the sheathing at the end?
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>>243342624

>In a video game terminology it min maxes to do the most damage to a person wearing no armor or japanese armor in a single stroke.
You likely don't know anything at all about Japanese armor.

>What it lacks in durability and practicality it makes up for in being hard as fuck to deal with if your opponent is unarmored and coming at you with something that isn't a spear or bow.
>spear or bow
You mean the most common weapons in Japanese warfare?
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>enemies are wearing plate armor

>easily slice right through them and cut them in half like they are made of butter

really something that happens in movies more often, but this shit pisses me off
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>>243332763

>western developer
>western weapons are overpowered

Big surprise, people like things from their own country.
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>>243342864
movies or video games wouldn't be entertaining of the only way to kill people in armor is to bash them in the head with a hammer
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>>243342249
Because it's entirely possible that, what was considered high quality iron in Japan at the time, could probably cut through their low quality iron. Of course, instead of attibuting it to the fact that Grorious Nippon's iron is the shittest of shit they attributed those feats to forging techniques that sound complex but were actually outdated in the western world when they started using them.
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>>243335131

>Doing the cooking
>Alpha
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>>243342624
>japanese armor in a single stroke
Their armor was made from the same stuff as the katana, the only use that a katana ever really got was suicide or killing peasants
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>>243332763
I remember FIFA 98 I think it was where the Japanese national team had the same maxed stats as the Brazil national team.
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rip Ken-Sama you saved japan from watery disaster with your peerless blade
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>>243341913
A longsword isn't what you think it is

Longsword is two handed and a duelling weapon

You're thinking of broadsword
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Maces are better than long swords and katanas
Halberds are for real men
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>>243343825
maces are shit, warhammers are far better
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>>243343026
Cooking is one of the manliest things a man can do, it was jews who let the women do the cooking and now we suffer from subpar dishes everywhere.
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>>243335267
Such is life
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>>243343665
Another misconception you can thank gaming/fiction for
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>>243343927

both are good
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If video game sword fighting was put up against real sword fighting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bdMfaymGlk
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>>243344508
If this was video game sword fighting than the bashing moves would be charge moves with guard breaking properties and the half swording would just be the defense option but who the fuck uses defense in a video game
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>>243341341
Who's the shadow behind Vel and Melentia?
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>>243345296
vendrick
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>>243344508
So what you're saying is that twin-blade was a viable weapon all along? Something don't add up
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>>243345401
Ohh.
That makes sense.
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>>243333194
>European blades just look more generic.

What is the Gladius?
What is the Zweihander?
What is the Claymore?
What is the Falchion?
What is the Rapier?
What is the Estoc?
What is the Sabre?

Fucking weeaboos man.
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>Strongest katana in the game doesn't even look like one anymore
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While we're on the topic of swords, can anyone explain what the purpose of the little section in pic related was?
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>>243345801
It's a second grip
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>>243345801
It's a grip in case you wanted to half sword
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>>243333194
Implications

Should I start dumping
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>>243345801
Half swording
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>>243345801
leverage
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>>243346041
>>243346003
>>243345962
>>243345947
Okay, that makes sense.
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>>243345965
Yes
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>>243346168
Swords first or just whatever's the most interesting?
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Dumper here
How effective would this actually be, I have no idea when I saved this
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>>243345801

It's a second grip.

You ever seen a Zweihander up close? They're fucking huge.
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>>243335027
I know the feel of having a gf and cuddling etc, but it's overrated by day dreaming forever alone manchilds.
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>>243340296
>tfw this used to actually be guaranteed replies
>sacred blacksmith aired almost 5 years ago
I'm gettin too old for this shit
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>>243345789
Bravely Default
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>>243346652

>five years ago
you fucking retard it was like a year a-wait
>2009
>2009 was five years ago
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My favorite is the Dwemer spear in this picture
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>Katana or Longsword, doesn't matter
>You will never be a master swordsman
>Traveling the land, winning all the fights and all the bitches with your swordsmanship
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>>243346652
Shame it turned into fucking nothing. I'm too busy reading other shit to bother with the manga if there is one
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>>243346984

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM5zxRQy6Fg
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>>243347118
Use a real weapon you pansy
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>>243347118
>you will never be musashi miyamato
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>>243347478
these would probably be the most painful of the weapons posted so far, with the others you could die quick and have it over with, but these would be a slower more painful death
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While I'm not a fan of Katanas I do have a soft spot for Wakizashis, they seem more lethal and there's some funky stories about them, my favourite being the one where Ninjas used to put them in Katana sheathes to trick Samurai into drawing slower for 'da honorabu combato' then they'd rip it out lighting fast and shank them before the Samurai could draw.
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>>243347639
Here's the Maori version I believe
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>>243346430
if the knuckles were proper points it might be okay

but yeah nah it's a piece of shit
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>>243347478

>tfw no south american or stone age rpg

life is suffering
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>>243347349
I'd say they're more useful for a battle than a duel
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>>243344095
D&D specifically.
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>>243347772
Maori's usually used Patus in battle, those teethed blades were used to cut up flesh after a battle

>old maori guy teaching us this shit in primary
>kid asked what they did with the flesh
>'ae we ate it hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo'!
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>>243347643

>my favourite being the one where Ninjas used to put them in Katana sheathes to trick Samurai into drawing slower for 'da honorabu combato' then they'd rip it out lighting fast and shank them before the Samurai could draw.
that's pretty fuckin cool. Even if they get their sword out in time they're going to block somewhere there isn't even a blade, because they're expecting a katana, get all off balance and then you just gut them.
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>>243347786
Nigga, maces win EVERYTHING

>Shield
Yeah okay pussy, have fun with your broken arm
>Armor
More like preservatives for your organs that are now jam
>Skilled opponent
Swing this bitch around like you own a big ass oak tree and no one will step to you

Alternatively, whip out one of these

>>243347998
Nothing can't be solved with a big stick
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>>243343026
You do realize that a man who knows how to cook is in the top three things basically every woman wants, right? As far as women are concerned, it's top tier alpha.
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>>243344283

Too bad maces are always shit in games. Really the best weapon against armor.
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>>243348127
How does that gun even work? Does it fire all three at once?
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Polearms can come too
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>>243348127
Only problem with mace is, that it's a big fucking hunk of shit on a stick, and it's gonna tire the fuck out of you.

Also, your wrists love it.
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>>243348086
Yeah Ninjas were pretty mad, there's another one about some ninja waiting all night inside a toilet until the Daimyo came to take a shit and he stabbed him up the ass. I think Samurai just hated Ninjas because they had such devious ways of killing people.
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>>243346965
Why don't we ever see this type of sword in games? They look fucking awesome and seem incredibly good for dismembering people.
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>>243348127
>Nigga, maces win EVERYTHING
In a duel between someone with a sword and a mace, the sword user would win.
Swords have greater leverage, range, and thrusting ability. Maces are a battlefield weapon only. You're not going to hit someone who's paying attention with a tiny lump on a stick.
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>>243347772

Are those sawfish blades?
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>>243348264
Yes

>>243348298
Maces aren't Sauron heug bro
You'll get as tired as swinging any other weapon with the added bonus that you'll rattle someone's brains, crush bones with a single swing, and make your enemies pray
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>>243348330
I'm pretty sure that's a western assassination. I remember reading about that in some book about vikings.
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>>243347998
>'ae we ate it!'
>mfw
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>>243347783
Macuahuitl are the coolest fucking swords. You sir, are my nigga.
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>>243347643
>>243348086
actually the trick was that they wore it on their back. If a katana is on your back it's too long to draw out with your arm in one swift motion.
Wearing your sword on your back was basically like coming to a meeting unarmed and considered a gesture of good faith, but ninja spies would put a wakizashi in a katana sheathe, which would be plenty short enough to draw. Even if the other nigga didn't have his katana on his back, he would probably still be caught extremely off guard.
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>>243346965
The Khopesh is a sexy fucking weapon, but I also get the feeling that it would be pretty shit in combat compared to more modern swords.

>>243348394
There was one in Morrowind, but other than that I can't think of any others offhand.

It was never a really popular weapon for whatever reason.
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>>243348485
It's a front-heavy club. It has to be, or else it won't transfer enough energy to be worth it. It's going to tire the fuck out of you.

Also, short range, now that I think about it, is a must since a long handle will MURDER your wrists.
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>>243348420
Now I'd like to discuss this more
There's a reason that those folks that spar with blunt weapons these days don't use hammer weapons, they can murder the fuck out of someone

If both parties are equipped in the same manner, the difference between main arm, then I'd have to go with the hammer
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>>243348643
>>243348394
Vyse got some swords like this in Skies of Arcadia
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>>243348485
I still don't understand how the fuck one is supposed to hold a kris.

Hold it one way and the crossguard spike thingy is in the way, hold it the other way and the pommel curves into your wrist on the other side.

Are you supposed to hold it like a pistol and just stab with it or something?
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>>243348643

The Mummy game on PS2 had em
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>>243336981
That's different, though, because rapiers were the weapons of the common dude skewering other dudes on the street. You'd have a rough time going up against an armoured opponent with one.
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>>243348873
I used to think Sikh's were wizard people when I was a kid because when I first saw one I asked him if he was a Wizard, he said 'why would you think that?' and I said because of your hat, he laughed and said 'why yes I am' then went on to show me lots of magic tricks.
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>>243335697
>putting comic book shit on your vehicle
Just kill yourself, you fat manbaby.
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>>243348580

That one I just posted is so fucking sexy, nothing compares. Dat wood.

Got a few more pics that are nice, but nothing like that one.
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>>243332763
>japanese devoloper
>they recognize katanas are great at slashing
>but shit against armor and very delicate

Thanks From.
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>>243348928

The hilt design makes it easier to slash, while the blade itself is easier to withdraw from bone.
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>>243348928
They're daggers bro
Hold them like those anime kids would hold the sticks in gym class
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>>243349069

Not really. Thrusting swords like that were pretty common on the battlefield when plate armor became very common. They weren't all super flimsy either, some were quite sturdy.
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I still love these black powder hybrid weapons
They seem impractical but man, I'd be the coolest fucker on the field
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>>243349337
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Are there even any games where you can utilize half-swording?
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>>243335291
>>243335697
Are you BAR B Q KING from /ck/?
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>>243349165
Wait, reverse grip? Seriously?
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>>243349554
No because casuals would throw a hissyfit
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>>243349554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7RYS6_9k0E
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>>243349429
Famas
or
Steyr AUG
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Fun fact: Katanas have superior penetration against armor compared to european longswords.
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>>243349429
>Press for pistol
>Hold for Anti-Air
I chuckled.
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>>243349672
They're just fancy daggers nigga
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>>243349554
In the first Witcher game, if you had maxed out Strong Steel sword, the last few hits were half-swording.
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>>243349780
See me after practice, anon
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>>243333194
I agree. I'm not a weeb but Katanas do look sexy with all its bullshit lore and stuff.
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Longsword vs Katana is old hat, everyone knows Longbow vs Yumi is the new hotness
Yumi poops on longbow, longbow a shit.
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>>243349780
Fact:
Because it is thicker and doesn't flex like a longsword, it will bend instead of return to it's original shape when stressed enough.

Also, instead of absorbing impacts, the whole blade may warp and become useless.
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>>243342397
>>243339949
So, your hands will still be fine by doing half-swording? That's neat to know
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>>243350031
Yumi is pretty cool, I love the tsumomi, but longbows are just cooler.

Volleys of death, fuck yeah.
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katanas, as well as other curved swords are usually better for mobility and you can usually outplay some guy with a large sword by successful parrying and out maneuvering, but some weapons like spears, greatswords, maces are more effective in a battlefield situation.
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>>243336006
>they're far better forged

uh, wrong
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>>243350095
Yeah, it's hard to not cut yourself if you're swinging it hard though. Much easier when wearing gauntlets.
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>>243350069


Sure is katana bending in here.
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>>243345965
that looks like some sort of anal toy
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>>243350206
Well
You got one part sort of right

Thanks for trying tho
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>>243350069
Fact: Katanas were made of a spring steel, and could often bend 90 degrees and return to their original shape.
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>>243334241
There exist both 1-handed and 2-handed katanas. Tactics Ogre had both each for different classes.
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>>243350295
Yes, longswords flex. That's what he said
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>>243350227

uh, no, it's not.
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>>243350227
katanas definitely keep an edge and cut better but in their own time they were ineffective due to the shitty metal quality, you won't be penetrating thick steel armor but you definitely could cut off someone's limbs if you were skilled enough to get at the joints between armor
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>>243343026
>Cooking
W-What?
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>>243350095
One, the sword really doesn't need to be sharp on the lower half, since you don't do any cuts with the Strong of the blade and with draw cuts you're still getting the sharpness from the top half.

Two, you're likely wearing gloves.

Three, you can grip it without putting all the pressure on the edge.

Still, it's not that bad, even if you do cut your finger a little occasionally.
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>>243349337
>>243349519

Is there some kind of official name for these types of contraptions? They're fucking amazing
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>>243350372
Only when forged by the master smiths of CORDU STEERU.
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Katanas are superior to longswords in terms of killing potential. (Superior armor penetration, superior against non-metal armor and flesh)

Longswords are superior to katanas in terms of durability. (More flexible design prevents permanent damage to blade)

Both are good sword designs.
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>>243342249
Chinese cartoons.
There is also a sense of mysticism with their samurai and ninja bullshit
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>curved blades and straight swords are the same
Yeh and daggers are the same too. Broadswords and rapiers are identical guys!
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>>243350295
This is what I'm talking about. It doesn't absorb the impact and vibrate. The soft spine bends and the hard edge keeps the shape it acquires, ruining the blade.
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>>243350743
yeah pretty much, a katana is only amazing if it's created with high quality steel by a master blacksmith
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>>243350808
for real?
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>>243350779
Dude, not even Samurai liked katanas
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>>243350956
So?
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>>243343665
Or an arming sword

most people in videogames swing longswords around like they're arming swords
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>>243350295
>katanas are too stiff and will warp unlike longswords that are made to bend
>I'll show you!!
>shows an image as evidence to what he just said
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>>243351112
Protip: Katanas still aren't good
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>>243350923
the gif looks biased as fuck

I bet the katana is bought from TV shopping center or something

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2mIuayVKbA
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>>243340541
I'm pretty sure Deathstroke stabbed the flash through the body
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>>243350923
I have problems with how they did this example, I am not quite sure they had the best katana they could get, and taking a sword and just slamming it down onto a stationary piece of sharp metal is a terrible testament to how it performs on a battlefield.
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>>243351196
Thats your opinion. Both swords have their strengths and weaknesses
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>>243350227

Japan has crap iron. Even if blacksmiths in Japan were the most amazing ones in the world it'd still be made out of far shittier material than European weapons. That is why Katanas don't bend. They have a cheap, soft, iron core with a tiny amount of hardened metal covering the edge, simply because the ore required for the more advanced alloys are so rare so they try to use as little as possible. Hence most katanas have a good edge comparable to European swords, around a low quality metal body. If they had better metals on those isles it might have been different.
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>>243343026
>getting mommy to make your din dins
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>>243350779
this is what weebs belive katanas arnt goot at anything
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>>243351270
His opinion is right
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>>243350295
Why would you even stab at plate armor? You're just going to ruin the point and it's not going to transfer any meaningful amount of energy through.

You should half-sword and slam the pommel into his gut if you really want to hit them in the chest.

Or, do the sensible thing and go for the gaps.
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>>243351297
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo&t=7m10s
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>>243351270
Nope
This is proven fact
Everyone's hated katanas
Everyone

Naginata and Yumi don't get enough love because of misinformation
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any good videos of someone using a zwei or similar and using both grips?
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>>243351347
>opinion
>right

huehuehuehue
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>>243351229
Nah, the guy swinging it made it. Also,

>soft lead
>being split by a harder metal
>mfw you're amazed
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>>243350956
only in the early days when a samurai was a walking fortress with 10 weapons on him. then someone discovered that speed trumped armament
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>>243351401
>dull longsword vs sharp katana
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>>243351419
>Katanas had no strengths at all and were completely bad

ok
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>>243351527
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>>243351401
>stabbing plate with slashing weapons
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>>2433515229
source?
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>>243350779

Katanas do not have superior armor penetration. Katanas are not designed to penetrate armor. Katanas are designed to cut, not penetrate, and they are designed to cut through clothing and leather, not metal.

The katana vs longsword debate is retarded because both types of weapons come from different battle climates. A longsword design has to compete in Europe where metal was much more abundant and thus fighters tended to wear metal armor. A katana is from Japan, which has much less metal deposits and the iron that they do have is of poor quality, hence they didn't wear much metal armor. The katana never had to be designed to penetrate metal armor.

Also there's loads of longsword designs, you cannot simply say "longswords look like this". There are straight ones with more flat tips, there's ones where the entire blade is like an thin triangle meant to punch through armor, etc. A katana generally has kept the same design though, again because the lack of quality metal in japan kinda stopped their arms race.
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>>243351553
Now you get it
You know what's the fastest way to win a war?

Arrows and spears you stupid cunt
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>>243351553
Compared to other weapons of war? yes.
They were for slashing plebs, not warfare.
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>>243351249
And I never said that. I just explained how the blade handles under stress and gave an example of what could happen.

It's not a matter of smithing or material. If you're going to use the soft spine - hard edge style, then this is going to be something that happens.

Most modern reproduction swords are made out of modern spring steel that acts nothing like these katana would.
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>>243350956
Meanwhile the master race is enjoying the best of both worlds
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>>243351641
like your mom's pussy
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>>243351401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLWzH_1eZsc
from the guy that made my stab my self using one of his styles with my sabre
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>>243351528
>le funny ruse face

source?
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>>243349332
>broadsword rapier

delicious.
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>>243351938
Schiavona?
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>>243351742
and here comes the spearfag who has no idea how war works, if you equipped every soldier with spears I can assure you that your soldiers would be quickly overrun and slaughtered due to the lack of power in close combat, a spear does not beat an opponent who can dodge and circle around you, it is for stopping cavalry charges because you do not want to run into it.
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>>243351745

Finally someone who gets it. The katana was made to cut down unarmored opponents.

It also has always been much more of a ceremonial weapon compared to a European sword (which had ceremony associated with them too of course). This, because a katana was actually a fucking rare thing in a country like Japan that wasn't overflowing with metal. Where even serfs had swords in the late medieval period, katanas have always been restricted to the elite.
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>>243351401
whats the point of stabbing that amour like that it would barly scratch the dude and you would just get killed
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>>243345801
Basic sword terminology:
>The strong is the third of the blade closest to the crossguard.
>The weak is the third of the blade closest to the tip.
The weak is the part you want hitting your opponent in a strike, since it goes the fastest and imparts the most force.
The strong is the part of the sword that you want hitting your opponent's weak when you parry, since it's the part of the sword that's the hardest to push out of position.
You never want to hit someone with your strong, and you never want to parry someone's weapon with your weak (unless by "parry" you mean "chop the other guy's hands off while he attacks", which is a perfectly good way to defend yourself).
As such, you'll find that a lot of European swords (and probably swords from elsewhere, too) have a radically different blade geometry on the lower third, since it's supposed to take hits, not dish them out.
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>>243350295
>He doesn't understand flexing and bending

A katana has a soft core and a hard outer "shell" making it sharp but if you apply too much pressure or even dare to clash it with another sword it the outer shell will shatter and the inner core will bend and stay that way, making the entire weapon useless.

Samurai never fucking used katanas as more than displays of status, last resort weapons and to cut down prisoners/peasants which is the only thing its good at, piercing with it is retarded, their iron was always shit and rare.
Their entire armor was pretty much leather, wood and folded paper because everything else was simply too rare.

Europe has iron everywhere, in Nordic countries they just collected earth, put that shit in a smelter and had simple iron from anywhere.
They had fucking steel swords that were durable as fuck, cut, smashed and pierced everything including your mother.
Adding to that Iron/Steel armors and constant wars made the entire arms race in Europe high level as fuck.


The chinks generally used spears and bows and europe had similar weapon types, with the addition of maces
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>>243351887
le sea kitties
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>>243352149
You're fucking serious, aren't you?
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>>243352292
No, I mean the guy swinging it made it.
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>>243351887
umineko
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>>243352149
supreme kek
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The naginata is commonly thought of as the woman's weapon, because the wives of samurai would usually use them.

Most of the time, what happened was, that a katana broke, bent or shattered and was then cut up and re-purposed as a naginata.
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>>243352330
so you are telling me with a straight face that an entire army with just spears would win a war? that is a straight up lie, they are purely for stopping charges and essentially forming a wall of pointed ends, if the enemy flanked you from multiple directions you'd be fucked because once a spear takes down one guy it is not going to be able to kill another for at least 5-10 seconds, it's for a specific purpose like every other weapon.
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>>243351478
Not sure but there's a channel called 'scholagladiatoria' on Youtube, that dude is historian and his weapon videos are better than Lindybeiges because he's a historian as well as a FEMA instructor. He mentions a lot of medieval and renaissance German, Italian and French weapon masters who wrote Treatises on medieval combat. Check him out.
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>>243352517
>that face
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>>243352517
Sources point to no
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>>243352517
>u mad bro
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>>243352149

I bet you think when the armies met the soldiers all screamed 1V1 ME FAGGET and they paired off in little duels?
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>>243352542
stop getting your military maxim from Rome Total War and actually read about Spear Infantry in history, they're like the fucking staple of every pre-gunpowder army for a reason.
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>>243332529

Wow. Its pretty shitty how you guys made fun of that guy in the kimono.

>wife has a nice sense of humor
>likes dressing up just to be silly
>makes husband dress up even though he doesn't want to
>he even cooks for her

:(

that feel when this is exactly what i want
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>>243352542
yes do you know nothing about warfare
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>>243352439
>make comment about picture
>ask for source
Ok, it was on this german tv show where this blacksmith made a bunch of swords, I might be able to dig it up on youtube, but dude.

How the fuck am I supposed to assume you wanted source for the previous post when you're commenting on my post?

This gif is also from that. I'll try to dig it up.
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>>243352101
I was thinking more Colada, but that works too
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>>243346430
It's a fucking hammer. If you hit someone with it, it will be like hitting them with a fucking hammer. The fist design is closer to s sphere tip than either a flat or pointed tip so you'll get a medium amount of penetration, but it's still a fucking hammer. It'll pound the shit out of anybody.
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>>243352517
why are jap girls such qts
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>>243351487
That's a beautiful axe blade, but man, it looks like it would fly off the handle if someone looked at it wrong.
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>>243352674
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>>243352101
Doesn't that mean broadsword anyways?
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>>243352786
>>243352758
armies didn't use only spears and bows, it's obvious swords had a purpose even in large skirmishes, stop trying to pretend like that didn't happen, there were spearmen, and they were there to stay infront and push up/stop charges, not to go in and fight the enemy.
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>>243352250
>you never want to hit someone with your strong
It's fine to hit someone with your "strong", it's just that you don't want to get close enough to someone to do it
Also, putting the "strong" at the end of the blade would require everything below that point to be strong enough not to break when hitting someone with it, making the weapon very heavy in relation to its length.
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/v/ - Antique Weaponry
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>>243352542

Oda Nobunaga dominated the sengoku jidai period utilizing primarily ashigaru which are spear wielding infantry.
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>>243352868
Are you serious? It looks like Michael Jackson after getting third degree burns on his face
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>>243352785
>implying I don't have the highest respect for Ken-sama: Master of the Shifting West.
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Why do I see so many arms and armor threads on /v/?
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>>243352542
Spears are the weapons of war. Others were the second option, until black powder
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>>243352791
nice edited bait image
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>>243352791
I already get an impression that he made the katana shitty on purpose.
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>>243352985
i-it's just the lighting
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>>243353001
weapons are neato. weapons are in all the good video games.
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>>243352542
I know we're on /v/ but not everything in video games is the truth you know.

What >>243352758 is saying is correct. They've been the stable of gunpowder armies as well, even, until the idea of line infantry was conceived. And even then pikes were used by the Spanish in huge combined arms tactics.

When swords long since stopped having a use in an actual battle, long pointy sticks stayed on as crucial weapons of war.
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>>243352439
Ah, here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVCWGwvctt4
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>>243352945
sure they did but most of the armies hat spears

as >>243352754 said they don't stand going 1v1 me
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>>243353026
spears are cheaper and faster to produce than a swords, hammers and maces, so it makes no sense that other weapons were "second options". they were produced for different combat roles and used appropriately.
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>>243353063
Its a replica of a historian katana, the things were shitty, if you think there is any way it could have either cut or stayed in shape with the way its produced then you simply don't know shit you pleb
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>>243353063

Yes you are right anon it is an anti-katana conspiracy.
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>>243343026
Take that shit to /ck/ and get blown the fuck out.
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>>243346430
Inefficient (why have two heads that do the same thing? With weapons, lighter is better.) but if you hit someone with it they'd definitely feel it.
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>>243353181
did you even fucking read what I said? I never said armies didn't use spears, just that an army comprised only of spears would not be 100% effective, you don't need to be duelling for them not to be appropriate in every single situation.
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>>243352542
I'll humor you because people really need to pick up history books more

Never did I imply that you'll win a war with only spears, maybe you could though. However, we're discussing Japanese warfare, in which katanas were worthless decoration on the battlefield. The main weapons of the Japanese armies were the Yumi(which they used on fucking horseback), the Naginata, and the spear. Because even in the East, every tactician knows that the best way to win a war is from afar, you stupid fucking cunt.

You really don't know anything about war, history, or armaments, so please, just lurk and don't post anymore. Yes, Im mad
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>>243352149
You're an amazing idiot. You think the bulk of armies just split up and let people engage them 1v1 willy nilly? No you faggot, they bunched up together, and pointed shit tons of spears in front of them.
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>>243353432
and never once did I imply the katana was a useful weapon in war did I. and there was no reference to the fact we were talking about japan.
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>>243353168
Thanks, but I still think the contest is biased.
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>>243352945

But they do go in and fight the enemy, that's the whole thing.

If a wall of spears is heading towards you, you are going to get fucked up if you don't get out because your sword is not going to reach.

"Oh but I will go around the wall of spears and flank them!", you might say. Yeah, too bad there's a wall of spears there too.

These are not phalanx formations, these are trained packs of soldiers that know how to point spears towards the sides too.

"Oh but I will go around in a wide berth"

The spears simply turn with you.

The only time that an army of swordsmen might take down an army of spearmen is if they hugely outnumber them. Even if there was full plate that magically was impervious to all pikes, it is not going to get you close enough to kill the spearmen because you're being pushed back by a wall of sticks.
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>>243332637
>Comparing ceremonial weapon to conventional weapon

Let's see you guys use rapiers in a battle with spears and see how you guys end up.
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Once again Ashigaru and their spears won the war not Katanas.
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>>243353289
Maybe the blacksmith just wanted to promote the long sword because he is german and respect his root?
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>>243353218
No he's actually right. Swords were a sidearm and so were blunt weapons. A lot of weapons used were repurposed tools as well like many hammers and axes. Spears and polearm weapons were the time equivalent of a rifle with everything else being more of a pistol or shotgun in comparison.
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>>243353754
>using a peasants tool

Nigga I will bring my plate armor and fuck you up, how is your spear gonna do shit in cqc
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>>243353632
WHAT

That was the basis for this entire string of shitposting you've done. Because you thought that katanas were used seriously on the battlefield. Look at all the people calling you out on your ignorance.
You're seriously just fucking with me now
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>>243353754
>grab spear haft
>stab the fuck out of you because your weapon isn't suited for close 1v1 combat
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>>243353860
it's going to puncture your neck before you even get into striking range. which of course was the whole point
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>>243353937
>grab spear haft
>another spear behind that one stabs you

RANKS MAN, it wasn't just one link of soldiers
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>>243353873
you are seriously mistaken, I quoted a post that said "a war can be won by using only spears and bows" which I said was wrong, I never mentioned katanas, they are only useful in battle against opponents without metal armor
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>>243353794

Look,I know you're just going to dismiss everything and worship your nippon sugoi sword, but the reason that katanas break and get bent when hitting hard stuff is because they're made of mostly shit metal with only a high quality edge on it. It's a ceremonial weapon from a country where metal was incredibly rare to fine, which was different in Europe where it was fucking everywhere and made it possible to have an arms race with the stuff.
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>>243353980
Hah
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>>243353937
>1v1 combat
>On a battlefield

This is what happens when you don't beat your children
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>>243354156
the original post was implying it was a katana vs a longsword in 1v1, i'm not talking about fuckloads of spearmen vs fuckloads of people with rapiers
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>>243354083
the point the poster is making is the guy is using modern materials for his longsword yet classic materials for the katana, which is completely unfair, if the katana was crafted like it was by masters but used proper metal, it would be a much more effective weapon.
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>>243354083
>implying they have to be made with shit metal
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>>243352949
You never want to hit somebody with the strong because it's inefficient. It's like clubbing someone over the head with a gun. Sure, it probably happens every now and then and sometimes it might even be a good idea, but it's not what the weapon is designed for.

And it's impossible to have the strong at the tip of the blade. It has to do with body mechanics and leverage, not the physical dimensions of the weapon. Whether you're using a mace, sword, or pike, the bit that's closer to you will be better for parrying than the bit that's farther from you.
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>>243354291
Not in the fucking least
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>>243354291
>>243354308


The result would be the same, since the way katanas are made means they shatter and bend instead of flexing. If you made them out of a solid piece of tempered steel it might flex, but that's not how a katana was made.

Japan did not have the quality of materials Europe had, so their swords were mostly made of shit metal.
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What's with all the katana babies in this thread?
It's never this bad in /v/ arms and armor threads
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>>243354503
>the result would be the same
Why are you so sure?
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>>243354369
>clubbing someone over the head with a gun
>inefficient
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why the fuck do you nerds care about ancient weaponry

this is the most useless shit ever. I'll just shoot you with a gun and shit all over your mace or claymore or whatever, you fucking dorks
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>>243352278
Chinks actually have good iron. They also invented blast furnaces a long time ago.

Japs, like thbrits and all islanders, dont.
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>>243353980
>hitting the gaps in full plate armor with a spear at a range where the armored guy can't retaliate
This isn't impossible, in theory, but it's really not a tactic you want to rely on.
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>>243354769
>not blowing the fuck out of your enemy
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>>243354663
Because you don't understand how katanas are made
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>>243354673
Compared to shooting him from cover a couple hundred meters away? It really is, yeah.
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Gunblades are the apex of weaponry.
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>>243354663

I literally explained in the post you are quoting why I am so sure. Japan had low quality metal compared to Europe. Katanas were made with an inflexible, rigid and fairly soft metal body while only the edge was quality metal, welded on to give it sharpness. This creates a sharp, rigid, blade that stays bent instead of flexing.

European swords of the same era were made out of a single piece of quality tempered steel, which means they act like springs and flex and jump back into shape.

If you're going to be bashing these two metal objects together, they're both going to bend like crazy. But a katana does not flex, so it stays bent or shatters, while a European longsword simply bends or gets compressed and springs back into shape without breaking.

This is because Europe has a fuckload of good quality metal in the ground whereas the Japanese isles barely have any, and most of their iron was shit quality.
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>>243354910
yeah it's much better just to try and use your body weight to shove it through his chest armor, though in a 1v1 it would be easy as fuck to parry/dodge a spear and run up and kill the guy
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>>243354534

bobbing and weaving is supposed to be done from the legs, if you bend down like that you're sacrificing your vision which leads to eating punches.
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>>243340541
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>>243354769
>implying I won't deflect the bullets with my superior nippon steel

This is the part where I post that copy pasta about teleporting behind you, and it being nothing personal.
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>>243354998
Can't katana just be made with material available right now, so that they don't shatter when swung with human strength?
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>>243354663
>>243354998
you dumb niggas
katanas are good at what?
slapping metal aganist metal?
no
punching armor out of metal?
no
cutting naked people?
ye
also CUT, you have to swing then pull your blade towards yourself.
>but i can stab
nigga you're using one of the most awkward ass weapons to shank someone.
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>>243355050
That weapon would be so damn good in dark souls 2
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>>243354663
Its proven that jap iron is shit, anon. No forging skills is going to change the fact that jap iron is brittle and weak.
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>>243355059
But that's before. What about now?
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>>243355064
>1v1

Stop this
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>>243355162
just wait for project beast, flintlock confirmed
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Most fights probably devolved into all-out brawls with combatants grabbing whatever they can to kill enemies, be it spears, swords or sticks.
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>>243355064

Hence the whole use of spears was to mass them, they don't require much training just discipline.

Like people have said several times now, spears were a weapon for armies, swords were a ceremonial weapon. Swordsmen were not meant to face massed spears and would be fucked if they had to since they couldn't get in striking range.
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>>243355235
no
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>>243355176
I think they have the ability to produce good iron now.
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>>243344508

See, the problem with videos like this is, it seems like the other guy isn't even trying. It's like acting more than actual fighting.
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>>243355151
>>243355231


>Can't we test historical weapons but make one out of stronger stuff that they historically were never made out of?

10/10 made me reply.
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>>243355292
>>243355372
Would this even work?
>jam spearhead into someone and shoot the fuck out of them
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>>243355273
ok spears were more effective for mass war but calling a sword a "ceremonial" weapon is kind of stupid, they were effective for bodyguards, special forces, guards, etc. combat where you are not charging into a wall of spears
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>>243353860
dude, a good spear absolutely DESTROYS heavy armor.

Even if he DOESN'T just stab you in the throat/armpit/groin/face or waist, he STILL has a metal-reinforced wooden staff he can use to beat your brain into jelly even EASIER because you're wearing a metal that AMPLIFIES the concussive vibrations on your skull like a tuning fork.

idiot.
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>Year of our lord 2014
>Still not liking Crossbows
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>>243355329

You're right they should start equipping the Japanese army with katanas now, I'm sure that the rest of the world didn't progress to some newfangled type of weapon.
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>>243355451
>>243355372
>using the spearhead and not the gun
spearheads make you look a lot more scarier and that's it.

>>243355482
spears mustard race
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>>243352517
I wonder, can someone get her face as a reaction image with fucking it up too badly?
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>>243355484
enjoy your lack of stopping power weak armed peasent
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>>243355532
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH8xokKmOM8
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>>243355292
What's the point?

The Romans had it right. Pilums were great for wearing opponents down with 50 fucking sticks stuck in them, their shield, and their armor.
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>>243355307
Anon, have you actually ever seen or participated in a sparring match

Trust me, spears are fine

>>243355441
Scroll up and read the posts by the guy thinking battles were 1v1 skirmishes

>>243355470
No, no they were not, they were ceremonial
Axes, hammers, and fucking HALBERDS are better weapons
Why the fuck do you think the Vatican army STILL uses halberds
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>>243355151
>>243355231
There is no point. The forging process used for katanas were done out of necessity to make up partially for the shit quality steel.

The ultimate steel has always been a blast processed iron with the right carbon content to be strong yet flexible, tough yet can keep an edge.

Using modern techniques to make a katana will just be wasteful and the end result will still worse than a molded sword out of a single piece of iron.
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>>243355532
ok first we are comparing historical katanas to historical broadsword and now you bring in guns, shut the fuck up.
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>>243355591
>stopping power
Say that to my face fgt, I'll go through ur armor like nothing
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>>243355470
>implying swords weren't also the bee's knees after the initial charge into the wall of spearpoints was over
Refer to the German landsknechte, Spanish sword-and-rotella dudes.
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>>243355595

Congrats Japan it took you until 2013 but you can finally make swords out of quality materials. Now it's equal to what Europe had about 1000 years ago.
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>>243355682
Not to mention they were using watered down techniques from the Chinese
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>>243355751
this is true but I didn't think the spear guys in this thread would understand, after your spear charge breaks their spear wall, you aren't going to be killing the rest of them with spears, you send in the soldiers with swords and maces and such
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>>243355067
People need to use knees more.
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>>243354910
people consistently forget that spears are excellent for just beating people with until they're too disoriented to avoid a solid thrust. The shaft gives excellent leverage, and the speed of either end on a good swing makes 'em ace for breaking collarbones shins and wrists. Spears certainly aren't the be-all end-all, but they're a hell of a lot more adaptable than they usually get credit for.
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>>243347783
Why can you make an obsidian sword the real world, but not in Minecraft?
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