>Katana is a weapon type on its own, seperate from other swords
European blades just look more generic. It's probably more about the novelty. Katanas look different from your everyday double edged sword. Video games operate on the rule of cool, so if something looks unique or awesome, they've gotta have good stats.
we think that we can at least laugh at losers like this on the internet but then we realize that in fact we've been the real losers this whole time. then we continue to laugh at ourselves as our lives sink deeper into despair.
A katana is a motorcycle bro.
>you will never wear a kimono and sing Japanese boy just for shits and giggles
>implying anyone knows anything about using any sword
practicing cosplay poses in front of the mirror doesn't count, autists
LIKE FUCK I CAN'T
It can be done either way. They just hated Shields so they usually went two handed, but Miyamoto is a good example of one handed.
I'd really like to see Glaives, or Nagintas, or whatever more frequently though.
It's not hard to read the actual treatises and get a general idea.
are you trying to tell me with a straight face that claymores aren't downright beautiful swords?
Fuck Katanas; Scottish swords are where it's at. They're far better forged, as well. I like Katanas; I think they're gorgeous weapons, but I'll take a a claymore or some other longsword over a weeb fantasy anyday.
>They just hated Shields so they usually went two handed
I don't really know anything about sword play, but it was my understanding that katanas are made for a more mobile fight, side-step and swipe, side step and swipe, whereas longswords are made to be smack at each other and on shields.
I'm not sure how many tid-bids you pick up on /tg/ are actually true.
The styles were different, but they weren't any more mobile than rapier equipped Europeans really. In all honesty they used to use shields but armor made them fall out of favor, like in Europe.
I just think mainland Asia is more interesting for the most part, there's a lack of of diversity in Japan I'd argue.
>If we're operating solely on cool, why arent flails more common?
Because a mace or war-hammer does a better job of caving in heads without the worry of collateral damage. Flails are fucking dogshit.
No shit Europeans words are stronger than Katanas you dumbshits
European swords were made to break bones covered by armor while Katana was made to slice flesh on people who didn't wear thick armor
The Miao Dao disagrees
>Raiden's sword in Metal Gear Rising is actually closer to a Miao Dao than a Katana, and he even wields it like one.
Not really. My point was that Flails can't be cool because they are dogshit. You can't fucking duel someone with a flail, the whole fight takes on a David and Goliath vibe and the guy with the flail gets wrecked every time. Holywood has ingrained this in us.
Gosh that is a nice sword. I love swords. Every type of sword there is. But that is a nice fucking sword.
>weapons are organized into tiers
>Claymore sword is in a higher-tier than the katana
>maces, hammers, and axes are all in the same category
>axes dealing bash/blunt/smash damage instead of cutting/slashing
That is silly. I like those swords, but their handles always seem silly to me. They look uncomfortable. I like big long handles.
>katana does more damage to armored enemies than a regular sword
>tfw Mountain Blade is still the only rpg with good AND realistic axes
I hate how retarded axes always are in games
Hi swords are fun
Lindybiege is cool and all but lately he seems to be talking more and more about stuff he doesnt know about.
>Swords do damage to armored enemies
>They aren't halfswording
To be fair, I like both.
Normal axes and hatchets as welp as the crazy huge ones.
I just love throwing some axes as a means of offense.
The great axe knight is my gotcha force main because that's what his special is: unlimited throwing of big ass axes for 10 seconds.
Katanas are actually more effective against armored opponents than unarmored ones. The vengeful earth spirit forged at its center—at exactly the 500th fold, before being folded over another 500 times—not only strengthens and sharpens its pure Japanese steel, it's thrown into a fury at the mere taste of inferior metal (especially dishonorabu European) and will rend platemail like it was cloth.
>with great skill:
jian > katana > long sword
>i know how to use a sword skill:
long sword > jian > katana
>i want to kill shit skill:
long sword > katana > jian
>i want to kill shit dead, forever:
>character is a simple knight with a European long sword
>Final weapon is Katana
>Sudden Kendo master
Of course a katana made of superior japanese steel and folded over 1.000 times is going to cut through western armor like tissue paper.
No weapon user can ever hope to defeat a wielder of the Speedforce.
>all swords are just listed under one weapon type
>your character that uses longswords suddenly has the training to use greatswords, rapiers, broadswords, shortswords, all types of swords despite each sword requiring a different skillset/knowledge base
Yeah but then they occasionally make them shittier than others to continue whatever narrative they're after.
Their power levels bounce around rapidly, being able to throw a punch faster than light should break the laws of physics with the Inertia behind that.
Oh shit nigga one of these threads.
>Year of our lord 1096
>Not kicking the crap out of Kebab on their hometurf.
what the hell is the guy on the left doing.
>Certain swords can only be used two handed
>Certain swords can only be used one handed
>Shields cannot be used in the main hand or two handed for extra stability
This may sound silly to expect it from every game but Demon's/Dark Souls spoiled me when it came to this. I think a lot more games should have this.
Besides getting his brains smeared on the inside of his helmet? halfswording. You kinda use the sword like a spear, better to guide it into gaps in armor.
oh shit i meant to say the guy on the right.
is that something that would actually be useful in any situation?
Its true though, if someone knows what they're doing with a Jian you're kind of fucked unless you're good at dodging, can keep a distance, or are wearing some kind of hardass armor.
The katana is over rated as fucked and was used by jackass samurai to kill eachother and also peasants. Its good at cutting people up but thats about it.
Long sword is still the most effective and fucking things up in general and is fairly retard proof.
Mordhau. You use the pommel or guard as a hammer. It actually did work, if the guy is too armored for you to hurt him with a slashing blow and you can't get in a thrust you don't have much option. Obviously an actual war hammer or pick or something would be better, but it works.
>ts true though, if someone knows what they're doing with a Jian you're kind of fucked unless you're good at dodging, can keep a distance, or are wearing some kind of hardass armor.
Same with any sword, are you retarded?
>The katana is over rated as fucked and was used by jackass samurai to kill eachother and also peasants. Its good at cutting people up but thats about it.
Yeah, same with every sword again.
>Long sword is still the most effective and fucking things up in general and is fairly retard proof.
>fairly retard proof
what do you even think that means?
Partially because of weaboos and other japanophiles, and partly because westerners for some retarded reason seem to take stupid Japanese bullshit for fact. It'd be as retarded as believing king arthur and his knights stories are 100% fact.
History channel doesn't help, I still remember they've done more than one retarded katana-dicksucking documentary about muh folded steel and heat treatment. It's like some motherfuckers seriously don't know Japan didn't invent that, and actually discovered it way later than any Europeans.
The katana is over rated yes but it is very good at what it does. In a video game terminology it min maxes to do the most damage to a person wearing no armor or japanese armor in a single stroke. What it lacks in durability and practicality it makes up for in being hard as fuck to deal with if your opponent is unarmored and coming at you with something that isn't a spear or bow.
>In a video game terminology it min maxes to do the most damage to a person wearing no armor or japanese armor in a single stroke.
You likely don't know anything at all about Japanese armor.
>What it lacks in durability and practicality it makes up for in being hard as fuck to deal with if your opponent is unarmored and coming at you with something that isn't a spear or bow.
>spear or bow
You mean the most common weapons in Japanese warfare?
>enemies are wearing plate armor
>easily slice right through them and cut them in half like they are made of butter
really something that happens in movies more often, but this shit pisses me off
Because it's entirely possible that, what was considered high quality iron in Japan at the time, could probably cut through their low quality iron. Of course, instead of attibuting it to the fact that Grorious Nippon's iron is the shittest of shit they attributed those feats to forging techniques that sound complex but were actually outdated in the western world when they started using them.
If this was video game sword fighting than the bashing moves would be charge moves with guard breaking properties and the half swording would just be the defense option but who the fuck uses defense in a video game
>European blades just look more generic.
What is the Gladius?
What is the Zweihander?
What is the Claymore?
What is the Falchion?
What is the Rapier?
What is the Estoc?
What is the Sabre?
Fucking weeaboos man.
>Strongest katana in the game doesn't even look like one anymore
While we're on the topic of swords, can anyone explain what the purpose of the little section in pic related was?
Swords first or just whatever's the most interesting?
How effective would this actually be, I have no idea when I saved this
My favorite is the Dwemer spear in this picture
>Katana or Longsword, doesn't matter
>You will never be a master swordsman
>Traveling the land, winning all the fights and all the bitches with your swordsmanship
>you will never be musashi miyamato
these would probably be the most painful of the weapons posted so far, with the others you could die quick and have it over with, but these would be a slower more painful death
While I'm not a fan of Katanas I do have a soft spot for Wakizashis, they seem more lethal and there's some funky stories about them, my favourite being the one where Ninjas used to put them in Katana sheathes to trick Samurai into drawing slower for 'da honorabu combato' then they'd rip it out lighting fast and shank them before the Samurai could draw.
Here's the Maori version I believe
>tfw no south american or stone age rpg
life is suffering
Maori's usually used Patus in battle, those teethed blades were used to cut up flesh after a battle
>old maori guy teaching us this shit in primary
>kid asked what they did with the flesh
>'ae we ate it hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo'!
>my favourite being the one where Ninjas used to put them in Katana sheathes to trick Samurai into drawing slower for 'da honorabu combato' then they'd rip it out lighting fast and shank them before the Samurai could draw.
that's pretty fuckin cool. Even if they get their sword out in time they're going to block somewhere there isn't even a blade, because they're expecting a katana, get all off balance and then you just gut them.
Nigga, maces win EVERYTHING
Yeah okay pussy, have fun with your broken arm
More like preservatives for your organs that are now jam
Swing this bitch around like you own a big ass oak tree and no one will step to you
Alternatively, whip out one of these
Nothing can't be solved with a big stick
Yeah Ninjas were pretty mad, there's another one about some ninja waiting all night inside a toilet until the Daimyo came to take a shit and he stabbed him up the ass. I think Samurai just hated Ninjas because they had such devious ways of killing people.
>Nigga, maces win EVERYTHING
In a duel between someone with a sword and a mace, the sword user would win.
Swords have greater leverage, range, and thrusting ability. Maces are a battlefield weapon only. You're not going to hit someone who's paying attention with a tiny lump on a stick.
Maces aren't Sauron heug bro
You'll get as tired as swinging any other weapon with the added bonus that you'll rattle someone's brains, crush bones with a single swing, and make your enemies pray
actually the trick was that they wore it on their back. If a katana is on your back it's too long to draw out with your arm in one swift motion.
Wearing your sword on your back was basically like coming to a meeting unarmed and considered a gesture of good faith, but ninja spies would put a wakizashi in a katana sheathe, which would be plenty short enough to draw. Even if the other nigga didn't have his katana on his back, he would probably still be caught extremely off guard.
The Khopesh is a sexy fucking weapon, but I also get the feeling that it would be pretty shit in combat compared to more modern swords.
There was one in Morrowind, but other than that I can't think of any others offhand.
It was never a really popular weapon for whatever reason.
It's a front-heavy club. It has to be, or else it won't transfer enough energy to be worth it. It's going to tire the fuck out of you.
Also, short range, now that I think about it, is a must since a long handle will MURDER your wrists.
Now I'd like to discuss this more
There's a reason that those folks that spar with blunt weapons these days don't use hammer weapons, they can murder the fuck out of someone
If both parties are equipped in the same manner, the difference between main arm, then I'd have to go with the hammer
I still don't understand how the fuck one is supposed to hold a kris.
Hold it one way and the crossguard spike thingy is in the way, hold it the other way and the pommel curves into your wrist on the other side.
Are you supposed to hold it like a pistol and just stab with it or something?
That's different, though, because rapiers were the weapons of the common dude skewering other dudes on the street. You'd have a rough time going up against an armoured opponent with one.
I used to think Sikh's were wizard people when I was a kid because when I first saw one I asked him if he was a Wizard, he said 'why would you think that?' and I said because of your hat, he laughed and said 'why yes I am' then went on to show me lots of magic tricks.
That one I just posted is so fucking sexy, nothing compares. Dat wood.
Got a few more pics that are nice, but nothing like that one.
They're daggers bro
Hold them like those anime kids would hold the sticks in gym class
Not really. Thrusting swords like that were pretty common on the battlefield when plate armor became very common. They weren't all super flimsy either, some were quite sturdy.
I still love these black powder hybrid weapons
They seem impractical but man, I'd be the coolest fucker on the field
No because casuals would throw a hissyfit
Longsword vs Katana is old hat, everyone knows Longbow vs Yumi is the new hotness
Yumi poops on longbow, longbow a shit.
Because it is thicker and doesn't flex like a longsword, it will bend instead of return to it's original shape when stressed enough.
Also, instead of absorbing impacts, the whole blade may warp and become useless.
katanas, as well as other curved swords are usually better for mobility and you can usually outplay some guy with a large sword by successful parrying and out maneuvering, but some weapons like spears, greatswords, maces are more effective in a battlefield situation.
Sure is katana bending in here.
You got one part sort of right
Thanks for trying tho
katanas definitely keep an edge and cut better but in their own time they were ineffective due to the shitty metal quality, you won't be penetrating thick steel armor but you definitely could cut off someone's limbs if you were skilled enough to get at the joints between armor
One, the sword really doesn't need to be sharp on the lower half, since you don't do any cuts with the Strong of the blade and with draw cuts you're still getting the sharpness from the top half.
Two, you're likely wearing gloves.
Three, you can grip it without putting all the pressure on the edge.
Still, it's not that bad, even if you do cut your finger a little occasionally.
Katanas are superior to longswords in terms of killing potential. (Superior armor penetration, superior against non-metal armor and flesh)
Longswords are superior to katanas in terms of durability. (More flexible design prevents permanent damage to blade)
Both are good sword designs.
This is what I'm talking about. It doesn't absorb the impact and vibrate. The soft spine bends and the hard edge keeps the shape it acquires, ruining the blade.
Dude, not even Samurai liked katanas
>katanas are too stiff and will warp unlike longswords that are made to bend
>I'll show you!!
>shows an image as evidence to what he just said
I have problems with how they did this example, I am not quite sure they had the best katana they could get, and taking a sword and just slamming it down onto a stationary piece of sharp metal is a terrible testament to how it performs on a battlefield.
Japan has crap iron. Even if blacksmiths in Japan were the most amazing ones in the world it'd still be made out of far shittier material than European weapons. That is why Katanas don't bend. They have a cheap, soft, iron core with a tiny amount of hardened metal covering the edge, simply because the ore required for the more advanced alloys are so rare so they try to use as little as possible. Hence most katanas have a good edge comparable to European swords, around a low quality metal body. If they had better metals on those isles it might have been different.
Why would you even stab at plate armor? You're just going to ruin the point and it's not going to transfer any meaningful amount of energy through.
You should half-sword and slam the pommel into his gut if you really want to hit them in the chest.
Or, do the sensible thing and go for the gaps.
This is proven fact
Everyone's hated katanas
Naginata and Yumi don't get enough love because of misinformation
Nah, the guy swinging it made it. Also,
>being split by a harder metal
>mfw you're amazed
>stabbing plate with slashing weapons
Katanas do not have superior armor penetration. Katanas are not designed to penetrate armor. Katanas are designed to cut, not penetrate, and they are designed to cut through clothing and leather, not metal.
The katana vs longsword debate is retarded because both types of weapons come from different battle climates. A longsword design has to compete in Europe where metal was much more abundant and thus fighters tended to wear metal armor. A katana is from Japan, which has much less metal deposits and the iron that they do have is of poor quality, hence they didn't wear much metal armor. The katana never had to be designed to penetrate metal armor.
Also there's loads of longsword designs, you cannot simply say "longswords look like this". There are straight ones with more flat tips, there's ones where the entire blade is like an thin triangle meant to punch through armor, etc. A katana generally has kept the same design though, again because the lack of quality metal in japan kinda stopped their arms race.
Now you get it
You know what's the fastest way to win a war?
Arrows and spears you stupid cunt
And I never said that. I just explained how the blade handles under stress and gave an example of what could happen.
It's not a matter of smithing or material. If you're going to use the soft spine - hard edge style, then this is going to be something that happens.
Most modern reproduction swords are made out of modern spring steel that acts nothing like these katana would.
Meanwhile the master race is enjoying the best of both worlds
and here comes the spearfag who has no idea how war works, if you equipped every soldier with spears I can assure you that your soldiers would be quickly overrun and slaughtered due to the lack of power in close combat, a spear does not beat an opponent who can dodge and circle around you, it is for stopping cavalry charges because you do not want to run into it.
Finally someone who gets it. The katana was made to cut down unarmored opponents.
It also has always been much more of a ceremonial weapon compared to a European sword (which had ceremony associated with them too of course). This, because a katana was actually a fucking rare thing in a country like Japan that wasn't overflowing with metal. Where even serfs had swords in the late medieval period, katanas have always been restricted to the elite.
Basic sword terminology:
>The strong is the third of the blade closest to the crossguard.
>The weak is the third of the blade closest to the tip.
The weak is the part you want hitting your opponent in a strike, since it goes the fastest and imparts the most force.
The strong is the part of the sword that you want hitting your opponent's weak when you parry, since it's the part of the sword that's the hardest to push out of position.
You never want to hit someone with your strong, and you never want to parry someone's weapon with your weak (unless by "parry" you mean "chop the other guy's hands off while he attacks", which is a perfectly good way to defend yourself).
As such, you'll find that a lot of European swords (and probably swords from elsewhere, too) have a radically different blade geometry on the lower third, since it's supposed to take hits, not dish them out.
>He doesn't understand flexing and bending
A katana has a soft core and a hard outer "shell" making it sharp but if you apply too much pressure or even dare to clash it with another sword it the outer shell will shatter and the inner core will bend and stay that way, making the entire weapon useless.
Samurai never fucking used katanas as more than displays of status, last resort weapons and to cut down prisoners/peasants which is the only thing its good at, piercing with it is retarded, their iron was always shit and rare.
Their entire armor was pretty much leather, wood and folded paper because everything else was simply too rare.
Europe has iron everywhere, in Nordic countries they just collected earth, put that shit in a smelter and had simple iron from anywhere.
They had fucking steel swords that were durable as fuck, cut, smashed and pierced everything including your mother.
Adding to that Iron/Steel armors and constant wars made the entire arms race in Europe high level as fuck.
The chinks generally used spears and bows and europe had similar weapon types, with the addition of maces
You're fucking serious, aren't you?
The naginata is commonly thought of as the woman's weapon, because the wives of samurai would usually use them.
Most of the time, what happened was, that a katana broke, bent or shattered and was then cut up and re-purposed as a naginata.
so you are telling me with a straight face that an entire army with just spears would win a war? that is a straight up lie, they are purely for stopping charges and essentially forming a wall of pointed ends, if the enemy flanked you from multiple directions you'd be fucked because once a spear takes down one guy it is not going to be able to kill another for at least 5-10 seconds, it's for a specific purpose like every other weapon.
Not sure but there's a channel called 'scholagladiatoria' on Youtube, that dude is historian and his weapon videos are better than Lindybeiges because he's a historian as well as a FEMA instructor. He mentions a lot of medieval and renaissance German, Italian and French weapon masters who wrote Treatises on medieval combat. Check him out.
stop getting your military maxim from Rome Total War and actually read about Spear Infantry in history, they're like the fucking staple of every pre-gunpowder army for a reason.
Wow. Its pretty shitty how you guys made fun of that guy in the kimono.
>wife has a nice sense of humor
>likes dressing up just to be silly
>makes husband dress up even though he doesn't want to
>he even cooks for her
that feel when this is exactly what i want
>make comment about picture
>ask for source
Ok, it was on this german tv show where this blacksmith made a bunch of swords, I might be able to dig it up on youtube, but dude.
How the fuck am I supposed to assume you wanted source for the previous post when you're commenting on my post?
This gif is also from that. I'll try to dig it up.
It's a fucking hammer. If you hit someone with it, it will be like hitting them with a fucking hammer. The fist design is closer to s sphere tip than either a flat or pointed tip so you'll get a medium amount of penetration, but it's still a fucking hammer. It'll pound the shit out of anybody.
armies didn't use only spears and bows, it's obvious swords had a purpose even in large skirmishes, stop trying to pretend like that didn't happen, there were spearmen, and they were there to stay infront and push up/stop charges, not to go in and fight the enemy.
>you never want to hit someone with your strong
It's fine to hit someone with your "strong", it's just that you don't want to get close enough to someone to do it
Also, putting the "strong" at the end of the blade would require everything below that point to be strong enough not to break when hitting someone with it, making the weapon very heavy in relation to its length.
Why do I see so many arms and armor threads on /v/?
I know we're on /v/ but not everything in video games is the truth you know.
What >>243352758 is saying is correct. They've been the stable of gunpowder armies as well, even, until the idea of line infantry was conceived. And even then pikes were used by the Spanish in huge combined arms tactics.
When swords long since stopped having a use in an actual battle, long pointy sticks stayed on as crucial weapons of war.
spears are cheaper and faster to produce than a swords, hammers and maces, so it makes no sense that other weapons were "second options". they were produced for different combat roles and used appropriately.
Its a replica of a historian katana, the things were shitty, if you think there is any way it could have either cut or stayed in shape with the way its produced then you simply don't know shit you pleb
did you even fucking read what I said? I never said armies didn't use spears, just that an army comprised only of spears would not be 100% effective, you don't need to be duelling for them not to be appropriate in every single situation.
I'll humor you because people really need to pick up history books more
Never did I imply that you'll win a war with only spears, maybe you could though. However, we're discussing Japanese warfare, in which katanas were worthless decoration on the battlefield. The main weapons of the Japanese armies were the Yumi(which they used on fucking horseback), the Naginata, and the spear. Because even in the East, every tactician knows that the best way to win a war is from afar, you stupid fucking cunt.
You really don't know anything about war, history, or armaments, so please, just lurk and don't post anymore. Yes, Im mad
You're an amazing idiot. You think the bulk of armies just split up and let people engage them 1v1 willy nilly? No you faggot, they bunched up together, and pointed shit tons of spears in front of them.
But they do go in and fight the enemy, that's the whole thing.
If a wall of spears is heading towards you, you are going to get fucked up if you don't get out because your sword is not going to reach.
"Oh but I will go around the wall of spears and flank them!", you might say. Yeah, too bad there's a wall of spears there too.
These are not phalanx formations, these are trained packs of soldiers that know how to point spears towards the sides too.
"Oh but I will go around in a wide berth"
The spears simply turn with you.
The only time that an army of swordsmen might take down an army of spearmen is if they hugely outnumber them. Even if there was full plate that magically was impervious to all pikes, it is not going to get you close enough to kill the spearmen because you're being pushed back by a wall of sticks.
No he's actually right. Swords were a sidearm and so were blunt weapons. A lot of weapons used were repurposed tools as well like many hammers and axes. Spears and polearm weapons were the time equivalent of a rifle with everything else being more of a pistol or shotgun in comparison.
That was the basis for this entire string of shitposting you've done. Because you thought that katanas were used seriously on the battlefield. Look at all the people calling you out on your ignorance.
You're seriously just fucking with me now
you are seriously mistaken, I quoted a post that said "a war can be won by using only spears and bows" which I said was wrong, I never mentioned katanas, they are only useful in battle against opponents without metal armor
Look,I know you're just going to dismiss everything and worship your nippon sugoi sword, but the reason that katanas break and get bent when hitting hard stuff is because they're made of mostly shit metal with only a high quality edge on it. It's a ceremonial weapon from a country where metal was incredibly rare to fine, which was different in Europe where it was fucking everywhere and made it possible to have an arms race with the stuff.
>On a battlefield
This is what happens when you don't beat your children
the point the poster is making is the guy is using modern materials for his longsword yet classic materials for the katana, which is completely unfair, if the katana was crafted like it was by masters but used proper metal, it would be a much more effective weapon.
You never want to hit somebody with the strong because it's inefficient. It's like clubbing someone over the head with a gun. Sure, it probably happens every now and then and sometimes it might even be a good idea, but it's not what the weapon is designed for.
And it's impossible to have the strong at the tip of the blade. It has to do with body mechanics and leverage, not the physical dimensions of the weapon. Whether you're using a mace, sword, or pike, the bit that's closer to you will be better for parrying than the bit that's farther from you.
The result would be the same, since the way katanas are made means they shatter and bend instead of flexing. If you made them out of a solid piece of tempered steel it might flex, but that's not how a katana was made.
Japan did not have the quality of materials Europe had, so their swords were mostly made of shit metal.
What's with all the katana babies in this thread?
It's never this bad in /v/ arms and armor threads
why the fuck do you nerds care about ancient weaponry
this is the most useless shit ever. I'll just shoot you with a gun and shit all over your mace or claymore or whatever, you fucking dorks
>hitting the gaps in full plate armor with a spear at a range where the armored guy can't retaliate
This isn't impossible, in theory, but it's really not a tactic you want to rely on.
I literally explained in the post you are quoting why I am so sure. Japan had low quality metal compared to Europe. Katanas were made with an inflexible, rigid and fairly soft metal body while only the edge was quality metal, welded on to give it sharpness. This creates a sharp, rigid, blade that stays bent instead of flexing.
European swords of the same era were made out of a single piece of quality tempered steel, which means they act like springs and flex and jump back into shape.
If you're going to be bashing these two metal objects together, they're both going to bend like crazy. But a katana does not flex, so it stays bent or shatters, while a European longsword simply bends or gets compressed and springs back into shape without breaking.
This is because Europe has a fuckload of good quality metal in the ground whereas the Japanese isles barely have any, and most of their iron was shit quality.
yeah it's much better just to try and use your body weight to shove it through his chest armor, though in a 1v1 it would be easy as fuck to parry/dodge a spear and run up and kill the guy
you dumb niggas
katanas are good at what?
slapping metal aganist metal?
punching armor out of metal?
cutting naked people?
also CUT, you have to swing then pull your blade towards yourself.
>but i can stab
nigga you're using one of the most awkward ass weapons to shank someone.
Hence the whole use of spears was to mass them, they don't require much training just discipline.
Like people have said several times now, spears were a weapon for armies, swords were a ceremonial weapon. Swordsmen were not meant to face massed spears and would be fucked if they had to since they couldn't get in striking range.
ok spears were more effective for mass war but calling a sword a "ceremonial" weapon is kind of stupid, they were effective for bodyguards, special forces, guards, etc. combat where you are not charging into a wall of spears
dude, a good spear absolutely DESTROYS heavy armor.
Even if he DOESN'T just stab you in the throat/armpit/groin/face or waist, he STILL has a metal-reinforced wooden staff he can use to beat your brain into jelly even EASIER because you're wearing a metal that AMPLIFIES the concussive vibrations on your skull like a tuning fork.
Anon, have you actually ever seen or participated in a sparring match
Trust me, spears are fine
Scroll up and read the posts by the guy thinking battles were 1v1 skirmishes
No, no they were not, they were ceremonial
Axes, hammers, and fucking HALBERDS are better weapons
Why the fuck do you think the Vatican army STILL uses halberds
There is no point. The forging process used for katanas were done out of necessity to make up partially for the shit quality steel.
The ultimate steel has always been a blast processed iron with the right carbon content to be strong yet flexible, tough yet can keep an edge.
Using modern techniques to make a katana will just be wasteful and the end result will still worse than a molded sword out of a single piece of iron.
Say that to my face fgt, I'll go through ur armor like nothing
this is true but I didn't think the spear guys in this thread would understand, after your spear charge breaks their spear wall, you aren't going to be killing the rest of them with spears, you send in the soldiers with swords and maces and such
people consistently forget that spears are excellent for just beating people with until they're too disoriented to avoid a solid thrust. The shaft gives excellent leverage, and the speed of either end on a good swing makes 'em ace for breaking collarbones shins and wrists. Spears certainly aren't the be-all end-all, but they're a hell of a lot more adaptable than they usually get credit for.