The Private Report on My Lesbian Experience with Loneliness

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From Kabi's twitter

>>2308390
>>2308391
I just don't understand this woman.

>>2308429
I think that's a pretty normal thing to try, though usually with sweet stuff and not savory condiments.

But yes, she is... unusual.

>closure
Good end as a story but doesn't she still writes about her depression and anxiety? Anyone have her 2nd book?

>>2308429
> mayo and ketchup
All I can think of is implying licking off a mixture of cum and blood, and I'm pretty sure that's not it...

She still gay?

>>2308466
>>2308429
Mayo and ketchup is literally Big Mac sauce

>>2308466
A lot of people put it on food because they taste good. I read it as a visual representation implying that eating her out is delicious.

>>2308389
Jeesh, this story hits way too close to home.

>>2308477
>I read it as a visual representation implying that eating her out is delicious.
Has she even done that?

>>2308471
>>2308466

It's Ponzu, not ketchup.

>>2308518
>I actually came on /u/ today to ask if this was finished good to see it was. Hope she keeps drawing a what not I quite like her style.

Me too, I am worried she will have more trouble making relatable characters when not directly writing about herself though.

>said naked males had no effect on her
>now says she only read /y/ porn to the extent that she knew nothing about how her own body worked
Odd things are happening.

>>2308394
>can't work because a girl is stripping on your workstation
#canrelate

>>2308438
it's on yuri project iirc

>>2308528
She was presumably too repressed to read lesbian porn.

Good conclusion
Somber

>>2308550
Stop putting your morals on everything.
The story is of a lost and confused person, not of a repressed one.

>>2308552
Did you see the page where she can't even write the word 'sex'?

>>2308550
More likely it's just that BL is such a big part of fandom for female otaku, even someone like her who previously didn't think of herself as interested in having sex would be quite likely to get into BL.

In regards to liking girls & being into BL, I think it's plasible that it's a little of column A(repression) and B(popularity), when I was younger yuri felt completely forbidden, I didn't want to be 'weird', and at the same time BL was very accessible, the community + content felt very easy to traverse. Nowadays BL doesn't interest me at all but I was very much an avid consumer for even awhile past when I could be honest with myself and look at yuri/lesbian porn/etc. of course, I dunno what the author's exact experience in that matter is

>>2308389
Wow, this was great. So /u/ do you have a "secret nectar"?

>>2308528
Because with yaoi it's not related to sex with her. Like while there is sex, mentally it doesn't hit for her. While with het or yuri it is linked to sex with her.
Kinda a reverse of it doesn't count if you're both girls.

>>2308569
That part hit me pretty hard because I realized I don't.

>>2308587
It affected me because my first reaction to hearing about killing themselves is 'I wonder what they were going through' and I never considered that the reason could be 'absolutely nothing was going on in their life'.

>>2308528
It may be a matter of drawn/3D difference. She read drawn porn but when it come to photos of naked men, she won't feel arousal.

>>2308569
Yuri.

>>2308429
I dont think anyone can.

>>2308552
One of the main recurring themes is of how she's squished herself down into a child person so as not to disappoint her parents, which couldn't be a more glaringly obvious allegory for repression if anyone tried.

>>2308556
I think it may be a combination of both desu

>>2308569
Nope, and its basically a synonym for what I've been thinking about the past few years.

The thing is depressing as fuck. I read several chapters and gave up. I rather NTR than this because at least there's a chance for a happy ending.

>>2309210
The happy ending is that she finally made a manga and enough people are reading it that it even got translated to English.

>>2309210
>>2309212
Yeah, the ending is shockingly optimistic and upbeat compared to the rest of the manga.

>>2309212
Didn't her mother still treated her like shit

>>2309226
I never got the impression her mother treated her like shit in the manga, they just had some differences in opinions and her mother respected that reasonably well

Do you think she has had a proper sexual encounter since the prostitute?

>>2309236
Didn't she continue seeing prostitutes, or am I misremembering?

>>2308569
I think that I do, but I'm pretty sure that it's considered stupid.

>>2309270
If it wasn't considered stupid, there would be no need to keep it a secret.

Wow, came to /u/ on a misclick and discovered this lovely work. Lucky me.

Some of this hit the issue on the nail for me, but some is completely foreign. Lovely work though, I'm glad for her.

Her life is identical to mine except for
>overeating episodes
>mommy clinging, incest desires
>hating gender identification
>passion for and success with manga

>>2308389
Is she autistic?

>>2309393
No, an autistic could never be so introspective

>>2308528
>Odd things are happening.
If you're on 4chan you should know by now that 2d=/=3d

>>2309393
>autistic
>introspective and self-aware

>>2309393
maybe

autism is different for girls. they can fake communication better and they tend to fixate on internal stuff rather than external.

>>2308569
>So /u/ do you have a "secret nectar"?
A few things and a few who's, thankfully.

I feel like I've got the same thing as the author since I can't get over any motherly type girls in both anime and RL. I don't know what to do.

>>2310132
Doesn't that just mean you have a type, and a rather beneficial one at that?

>>2310133
Maybe. But I feel like this is a bit of obsession and I've also been quite clingy with my mom as well.

>>2310140
But do you have the same incestuous tendencies like the mangaka, i.e. getting excited at your mom's naked boobs or being happy that she looked at your butt/touch your body?

My type is motherly girls as well, and I'm a goddamn koala to my mom, but I have none of those desires described above towards her. I felt nothing to her nakedness and would be disgusted if she touches me inappropriately.

>>2310150
I really can't tell. I once looked at her boobs accidentally when she was changing and I couldn't stop thinking about how nice they looked.

>>2308528
On twitter I used to follow several female artists in lesbian relationships who drew a shit ton of yaoi fanart or wrote only m/m fanfic

this seems to be a thing for some lesbians

>>2309239
in another thread someone said she and the prostitute became friends and stayed in contact... maybe that happens in the 2nd story

>>2311152
Might be because of how alien it is. With someone of the same sex you relate and project your own feelings upon them. With the opposite you can see them as someone completely different so there's not that same connection, so you can manipulate them a bit easier or have them do strange things without feeling the dissonance you'd feel with someone of the same sex.

>>2308429
A subset of Japanese are quite fond of mayonnaise. I compare it to a lot of Americans I know who are obsessed with hot-sauce. They carry it around with them and put it on all of their food. They talk about different flavor profiles, scovilles, etc. They're even more annoying than wine enthusiasts IMO. I've even seen mini Tobasco key-chains used in restaurants.

>>2312256
For real?

>>2320283
To be fair, jap mayo is way different than ours.

>>2308552
Anon she was clearly repressed. It wasn't even subtext, she just out and says it.

>>2308569
In my third year of college due to several incidents I basically came to realize that most of the people I hang out with didn't actually give a shit about me as a friend so I cut myself off from them, and for about a year I was in a really bad state mentally.

I ended up meeting a new group of friends who accept me for the degenerate yurifag that I am and I feel like being with them saved my life.

>>2308569
Writing. Talking about writing. Getting better at writing. Finding something I care about enough to put my all into and not get bored with it. Struggling with doing it and finding ways to bring myself back to it.

Creating. Creating anything really. Writing is my medium, but creating things that I enjoy, that other people enjoy; that's my nectar.

>>2325898
>>2325972

This too. There are so many times when I think about my behavior and how controlled I have to be around everyone else, but having friends that I can be myself around, that I can talk to, and that they can do the same with me has been wonderful and being apart from them for long amounts of time when I don't want to be because of work or some other duty or responsibility really sucks.

When I'm not with them, all I can think about is my self-control. Even in situations where I can be a little relaxed or I become too relaxed in a situation where it would be reasonable to do so, I find myself falling back on being self-conscious about my behavior. I don't have that sort of anxiety or self-awareness with my friends, and when they call me out on my shit, it doesn't feel like they're just being angry with me or trying to put me down, but a genuine sign that they care and that they want me to be better just as much as I do.

I related a lot to Kabi in this because I've never really done anything sexually either nor given any thought to what would happen if it does, but with my friends...I don't think about it that much if at all. They're part of that nectar too.

>>2325979
And if we end up going different ways, I can always make new friends, or keep creating. It's late and I've blogged enough. Thank you for listening.

>>2325972
>>2325979
>>2325980
Tripfag go home.

>>2308390
weird

>>2308389
Anyone else find this really hard to read because of the second hand embarrassment?

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>>2337703
Relax. Take it easy.

>>2337703
Breathe deep and contemplate on every time you embarrassed your self. Now the author is not mimicking all that embarrassments you had, all your embarrassments have become materialised and it became her. your embarrassments are no more a part of you now.

So this one was not her first or last work if im not mistaken, any idea if anyone on the internet picked up all her stuf and its translating it? I like how she draws.

>>2339000
The first one was licensed & out sometime next month I think. Second one hasn't been licensed yet but it probably will be.

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>>2308528
it's not unusual for lifelong lesbians with no interest in having sex or relationships with men to watch gay male porn, or read yaoi manga. Strictly /u/ material is unfortunately a niche taste among my peers.

The majority of lesbians I know IRL either don't watch porn, or watch gay male porn. It's really rare for them to watch girl on girl (even "realistic" girl on girl produced by and for lesbians). Bislut girls that I know tend to watch hardcore hetero videos, or male-gaze (fake) lesbian porn.

I've never heard of gay men watching (fake or real) lesbian porn. I don't know why things are this way. It seems bizarre to me, but that's just how people are.

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>>2340521
Is it gay porn aimed at men or women that said dykes enjoy?

>>2340536
I don't watch it myself, so I can't be sure. From what they say, and from what I know about the industry, I think it's mostly created with gay male viewers in mind. My brother does search engine optimization for some companies (including major porn companies). He's talked to producers and relayed some of the interesting stuff back to me.

Apparently, when counting numbers alone, women make up a very large number of the viewers for gay porn. That makes sense, women are 50% of the population, and gay males are way way fewer. However, despite their sparse numbers, gay men surge ahead of women for gay porn when you count the actual number of videos watched. Gay men watch more videos per browsing session, and have browsing sessions more frequently.

>>2340521
That's super fucking weird. I would never want to watch men do anything.

>>2340521
>>2340716
This seems like something that older lesbians are into. The ones I've talked to have these ideas about porn being inherently exploitative of women (even porn made by and for lesbians). They can't watch it without worrying a lot that the actress is faking it, supporting a drug habit, or being coerced somehow. It's not that they don't care about these things happening to gay boys, but they somehow are able to be in denial about this being a possibility with gay boys.

And they're from an older generation that is less familiar with anime, and probably doesn't know how good and plentiful /u/ material is. Although the women I know who don't watch lesbian porn probably wouldn't like /u/ either. I assume that they would say it's "inauthentic". Even a pretty realistic (autobiographical even?) work like The Private Report on My Lesbian Experience with Loneliness, I think wouldn't meet their standards.

>>2340573
>Janky search engines know detailed information about the sex, orientation and other demographic info of people trying to hide their identities to search for porn.
>My dad works for Nintendo.
Any way you slice it, you lack credibility.
>>2340940
>I am the Lorax. I speak for the trees.
And you sound like an ass.

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>>2341440
>Janky search engines
top porn sites are among the largest, most technologically sophisticated, most BIG DATA -esque companies in the world.

>My dad works for Nintendo.
that's fair.

>And you sound like an ass.
mean, but maybe fair. I was just speculating though. not making value judgments. just trying explain things how I see them.

Why do you think lesbians are often interested in gay-male porn and yaoi? or do you deny that this is even a phenomenon in a thread about a semi-autobiographical manga with a lesbian protagonist who likes yaoi?

>>2344852
>most BIG DATA -esque companies in the world.
Handling lots of data doesn't make them sophisticated. Compared to a big 3 search engine, the whole industry is nothing. Hence, janky.
>often
This manga and the people you've met are too small a sample size to even call it a trend. You talk shit about data indexing, but don't understand statistics.

>>2345044

Here's your (You).
Now >>>/b/egone

>>2345044
you have no evidence to contradict it though. you're just criticizing the "porn analytics" + "IRL anecdotal evidence" as being insufficient. what evidence do you provide to back up your own assertions?

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>>2348698
I didn't assert much. My equally anecdotal evidence of dykes I know not liking porn containing any dicks is sufficient to cast doubt on yours. You mean needing a larger sample size?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination#Tables
You'd need like 25 dykes and another 25 porn consuming women to confirm or deny a trend towards YAOI preference. For serious research, 1000 each would be better.

>>2340521
Ehh, I can't really wrap my head around that. As someone who is attracted exclusively to women, I can relate to that page when the author has no reaction to the male body at all. Even when it comes to animated boys I feel nothing but indifference (in a sexual sense, I can appreciate their character traits) for them. I will say that the only RL lesbian porn that I enjoyed involved two teachers going real slow and taking their time with taking off clothes, but then once the actual sex started my interest sort of tapered off. Still my favorite lesbian porn though, purely for the intimacy of it that wasn't as present when they started having sex. So it's the intimacy between two women that's the best for me, and I can't see how as a lesbian, I would be fulfilled consuming intimate yaoi. Maybe they like it just because there's a lot of it, it's hard to find stuff where it isn't just two girls going hard at each other.

>>2354015
She wants to keep sexuality at arm's length, but is terribly lonely. So she enjoys intimacy as a voyeur, between people she assumes she's in no danger of being attracted to, but are visually skirting the line between genders in most cases. Everything takes place in an abstract world with no danger of overlap with the reality of her everyday experiences where such thoughts are forbidden, but they are still the stuff of other women's sexual fantasies, which she can appreciate more as an artist. It's obvious if you've ever been a repressed NEET.

>>2309393
Nah, she's just having I Just Had Sex Moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o

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yarg!

>>2309958
>>2309475
are you confusing autism with retardation again?

>>2360976
No you are conflating autism with a variety of personality disorders.

So I just got my copy in the mail from Amazon. The paper and printing quality is a lot better than many other manga
but
god
DAMN
did Seven Seas strike the fuck again.

I was hoping they would publish a straight translation of the source material but hell no. It's really obvious they've taken a lot of creative liberties with the translation and I'm honestly really disappointed. If Solo Exchange Diary gets published through Seven Seas as well I probably won't buy it

You just can never win in this world, can you? At least we get to see Nagata go for a bonus round of spaghetti in the extra chapter

>>2361455
I've felt that regret every time I buy yuri from them. I really don't know why I keep buying their shit since I already have the jp versions.

>>2361455
Dare I ask for any examples?

>>2361455
yeah my favorite panel >>2340536 was changed to "I want an older girl to spoil me!" which is a minor thing, but it irked me because if a girl is older, then wouldn't she be a woman? Still glad I bought it though

>>2361473
- Word meanings are altered or changed. There's also deletions here and there. Comparing SS with the Tetsu translations, I can see that the SS team was obviously translating to make dialogue read more naturally in English. For instance:

>Tetsu: [At all times of the day, my brain would decide to give me these insane impulses to eat (overeating impulses) which I couldn't do anything to control.] [I only managed to stay standing there through sheer force of determination.]
>SS: [But I had no choice in the matter. A desire to eat would suddenly take over my brain, so powerful that it almost drove me mad. I could do nothing in that state of binge eating, which was a serious problem.] [So then, what did I do? I gritted my teeth.]

In many cases the SS translation comes off as artificially casual. It read as less of a single person's chronology of her own life and more of a fictional character's chronology as written by some committee.
Most of the issues I have with the SS translation have to do with these kind of edits. Like >>2361500 said, they're obviously minor but they show up on almost every page.

- Awkward translation choices: These happen a lot, especially where a couple of short sentences is mashed into one sentence that spans two word bubbles. One glaring example is the part where she's finished bombing a job interview, and one of the interviewers followers her out and wishers her luck on her manga:
>Tet: [I really meant it.] [Good luck with your manga!]
>SS: [Good luck...] [...with manga!]
Adding a big pause in the middle of this sentence is odd, doesn't add much and breaks the flow of the dialogue. Just read the SS out loud to yourself and you'll probably notice how awkward it really is.

- Localization of terms. Some japanese terms are changed (konnyaku becomes yam cake) or are given footnotes for the plebes (dojinshi). I also have a sneaking suspicion "prostitute" became "escort" to avoid anything ~*problematic*~.

>>2361589
- Finally, there's some inconsistencies between the Tetsu and SS translations regarding ages and dates (Kabi hires the prostitute in May '15 in Tetsu but June '15 in SS, for instance) but without a raw to check against, I can't tell which version is correct. I've heard that Tetsu's version also has errors so I'm going to just assume that both parties are innocent until proven guilty.

Western slang: It crops up, although thankfully sparingly. For example, SS has Kabi thinking the word "garbagy" which I am willing to bet doesn't exist at all in the original, even as a Japanese analog.

Finally, I want to be fair to SS. The translation does pull itself together in some instances, usually during the parts where Kabi analyses her own issues and hang-ups. In these cases the translations are more direct and don't fuck around with wording or phrasing.

Overall I still would have bought this book even if I knew that Seven Seas was going to translate this the same way they translate all of their work. Though I probably would have waited until it was in stores to save shipping. I don't think that the translation is so awful that it ruins the original work, although Kabi's intentions are obscured at times. I'm just really disappointed that Private Report was given such a middling translation. It's a great work of non-fiction and I've read it three times from first page to last since I first found it.

What I really don't like is how the manga was almost instantly shoe-horned into the LGBT subsection the moment it caught the attention of the publishing and graphic novel communities in the Anglo West. A lot of the promotion and discussion of the manga among the pros focused exclusively on the lesbianism angle, almost to the exclusion of Kabi's internal struggles and her socioeconomic troubles. By contrast, when this first blew up on 4chan and elsewhere last year I only really saw people connecting with Kabi as a troubled individual.

>>2361628
(cont.) I personally connected with her through those two pages where Kabi struggles to haul herself out of her futon while the normalfags are able to punctually go to school and work without any effort. And her description of working at a bakery part-time as walking on nails is basically how I feel towards my own graduate studies. Finally her description of the "sweet nectar" is a flash of genius and led me to see a big festering hole in myself.

Pretty much every fan of Private Report I've come across loves the manga for nearly identical reasons and I think it could have been established as a great graphic novel on these merits alone, rather than trying to cram it into the culture wars 2.0.

tl;dr seven seas delenda est

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>>2361628
>shoe-horned into the LGBT subsection
This is a damned crime. This bitch could be the voice of my generation, but some dumb cunts who think their magic vagina powers let them see what comics are good and what are evil automatically claim her because she's gay? And she doesn't even get to weigh in on it before the damage is done because of the language barrier. Fuck this Earth

>>2344852
I think Japanese girls have been brainwashed into a strict no sexual and pure lifestyle by society and therefore female sex ed is like forbidden. There only outlet has been male stuff and even that is only drawn male x male. The last panel from that page explains this perfectly.

Thank goodness this shitty trend is dying.

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>>2361644
Wait a minute. Pic related is from an anime that functioned as a sex-ed lesson for young girls. There are terms missing in this equation.

>>2361636
The comic is titled "My Lesbian Experience"

>>2361636
I wouldn't really suggest that any *one group* of people is responsible for this situation. I think that what's going here is probably the intersection of several different trends that push people (on both sides of the fence) to instantly try and categorise every piece of media they consume.

Primarily, what I see is that the media we consume is becoming more and more something that we consume because it's part of our identities. We search out for content of all kinds not merely to seek enjoyment but to seek an enjoyment that expresses what social group we belong to, what cause we're for/against, and so on. This is in turn because a lot of our consumption is now done out in the open. We share what we buy not just through face-to-face interaction but through permanent Twitter, Instagram and Facebook posts. By buying the "right" books for the "right" reasons we can trade real capital for cultural capital that we then trade for improved standing within a group of peers.

This kind of conspicuous consumption is millennia old, but social media is accelerating and multiplying the connections, making them too powerful for many creators to resist. They are no longer just one force driving consumption but an omnipresent force that influences every association and purchasing decision that many people make. Producers must therefore bend to these demands whether they want to or not. Using identity politics is a shrewd business decision for everyone involved since it almost guarantees entry into a dedicated market that has an almost bottomless appetite for content that confirms its own beliefs, right or wrong. Conversely, producers and commentators are almost guaranteed to be punished if they try to be nuanced in their promotion or discussion, since you're spreading yourself think and risk failing to connect to any major market segment at all.

>>2361636
>>shoe-horned into the LGBT subsection
>This is a damned crime.

Because this manga transcends beyond your typical manga?

Stop being entitled

>>2361651
Most of her problems aren't because she's a lesbian. Hell, she started finding solutions for her problems after, maybe even BECAUSE she realized she's a lesbian.

>>2361652
(cont.) I'm sure that editors with their magic vaginas are still able to influence what we see to some degree, but if anything social media has DRASTICALLY curbed their influence. Before the internet (and cable, to an extent) most people had to be content with what editors picked to print or broadcast in TIME or CBS news. Now we can choose exactly what we want to read and watch, when we want it and how it'll be delivered to us. And we're all choosing to gorge ourselves on the literary equivalent of big macs and skittles every day rather than try to shop according to a reasonably healthy diet.

This is our fault. We've made this situation and everyone, regardless of political persuasion or lack therof, is largely content to perpetuate it.

>>2361660
That's true, but you can see how people might read the title and be drawn to the "lesbian" aspect, rather than the "loneliness"

I'm also thinking that Kabi knows this and is playing up this angle (or her publishers made her do it) with a manga cover of two naked women on a bed about to fuck.

I mean that's kind of hard to miss.

>>2361656
Not who you're replying to, but I personally do think that a lot of more valuable discussion on Kabi's internal hangups and her relations with her parents' expectations of didn't happen because the book was stuck in the rainbow ghetto.

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Anyway, I can see this discussion easily veering into /pol/ territory, so let's talk about the bonus chapter, short as it is.

(For those that haven't read it yet, pic related is a good summary)

>>2361670
Where is the bonus chapter

>>2361672
In your local bookstore or on Amazon, sillybuns

>>2361672
If you don't feel like blowing $15-20 on this you can easily read the bonus chapter in a few minutes at your local bookstore. For those that are truly too lazy here's a complete plot spoiler:

>Kabi hires another prostitute
>Kabi tries to cover up her identity but fails
>Prostitute shows up, announces she can't do much because she's on her period (sad trombone noise)
>Kabi asks prostitute if her coworkers told her anything about her
>prostitute says no but then immediately recognizes her as the manga girl
>they get to the love hotel and are given the shittiest of all rooms
>prostitute asks Kabi about her bald spot
>Kabi mirin prostitute's massive tiddies
>prostitute gives Kabi a scrub
>Kabi wants to reciprocate but cannot because of spaghetti
>They get on the bed but Kabi is still stiff
>She manages to touch prostitute's massive tits though. gj
>She paid for the budget session and it ends real soon
>prostitute asks her if she had fun and Kabi lies and said yes
>Kabi goes home and wonders why she feels hollow
>Kabi realizes she didn't even bother to hug the prostitute and spergs out
>Kabi ends by saying how she gets shot through the heart whenever she sees the term amateur virgin and resigns herself to keep on truckin'

>>2361679
That sounds depressing. She didn't really make that much progress.

>>2361679
>>Prostitute shows up, announces she can't do much because she's on her period (sad trombone noise)
Is this fraud?

>>2361683
Well, she is stable at least. These problems don't go away after a few months.

>>2361689
Not really. She's upfront about it and you have the option of declining or rescheduling since you pay at the end.

>>2361697
I always thought pros took payment up front.

>>2361500
It was "onee-san" so I kind of see how they'd go with "girl".

>>2361589
>Comparing SS with the Tetsu translations, I can see that the SS team was obviously translating to make dialogue read more naturally in English.
Your example shows that both translations tried to do that.

>These happen a lot, especially where a couple of short sentences is mashed into one sentence that spans two word bubbles. One glaring example
That example was one short sentence in Japanese. "I really meant it" wasn't part of the Japanese.

>>2361628
June is correct.

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>>2361795
Apparently not Japanese lesbian pros. You should read the manga we're discussing.

>>2361820
>Your example shows that both translations tried to do that.
The Tetsu scan is more awkwardly constructed. Interjecting a term in parentheses in the middle of a sentence doesn't help.

>>2361795
When she hires the first girl she pays her before they leave the love hotel. This second girl is from the same agency, although they could have their own personal ways of getting paid.

Either way, the point I was making was that the second girl was upfront about her period and gave her client a chance to back out. It would be fraud if she concealed the fact.

Wait she got another prostitute? What have I been missing ever since the last one? I thought the manga was over when she realized sex with a girl was "heh" after the prostitute was impressed she was so virgin.

>>2361876
>The Tetsu scan is more awkwardly constructed. Interjecting a term in parentheses in the middle of a sentence doesn't help.
In that case that's a problem with Tetsu. I thought that was being cited as a complaint about SS.

>>2361898
Read my earlier posts: I generally find SS' translations to be overly casual to the point where they feel forced.

Tetsu is awkward, but given the subject matter a direct translation that reads a bit awkward is more fitting for Kabi.

I won't argue the point anymore, since a lot of it is my own opinion. But it's a recurring theme with SS as we can see from some of the other replies in this thread.

>>2361887
I get the feeling she's using the prostitutes as an ersatz behaviour therapy to get over her problems with intimacy. She tries to feel up the second girl and gets a TINY bit further than she did with the first where she was completely stiff.

>>2361948
>Tetsu is awkward, but given the subject matter a direct translation that reads a bit awkward is more fitting for Kabi.
Did the awkwardness lead you to think Tetsu was a direct translation?

Here's a very direct translation of the example:
>With no choosing of the time my brain would be taken over with a desire to eat that was like I would go mad and a state (overeating impulse) that I couldn't do anything about by myself would come so I would be troubled. If I say what I did, I intently resisted,

>>2361961
Actually I may have broken a relative clause at the wrong point, so more like:
>With no choosing of the time a state (overeating impulse) would come in which my brain would be taken over with a desire to eat that was like I would go mad and I would be unable to do anything about it by myself so I would be troubled. If I say what I did, I intently resisted,

>>2361948
I just want Kabi to orgasm or feel a bit sexually pleased. Is this such a weird request?

>>2361976
same. She deserves some sexual pleasure after so much suffering. It's sad that even after hiring prostitutes she's so unused to being close to someone that she can't enjoy it normally.

>>2362008
I was wondering if at some point she said she has done it to herself, because from what she has written it's like she has actually never felt any sexual pleasure.

It's weird, but even I dated a girl who had never masturbated.

>>2361976
She needs to smoke some weed next time she sees a prostitute so she can relax. Is that legal in Japan?

>>2362161
>Is that legal in Japan?
Not even close

>>2362161
>smoke some weed
People suggesting this normie meme should fucking kill themselves. Substance abuse to solve your problems? Do you think that's an acceptable solution? Or that it would be of any help at all? Why don't you just suggest heroin straight away from the start, so you don't even have to lift your ass from your fucking chair to enjoy something?

>>2362201
>heroin = pot
i mean, it is fucking stupid. but you do sound like some kind of D.A.R.E. fanatic right now

>>2362201
You know pot is being used as medicine these days right?

>>2362210
not that idiot anon but smoking is still retarded even if it's not cigarettes

>>2361679
Wait, she paid for service but she only touched her breasts? She could've spend the whole time just fondling the breasts and have fun

Anyone has any comparison of the original jap release and the SS release in terms of paper and print quality? Making space on my shelf for only one and if the SS ones is good enough I may buy that even if it's like 15 bucks more where I stay.

>>2362443
The paper and print quality is way better than usual SS quality since they printed it in full color like the original jp version. Color prints always need thicker paper though so the jp version also uses good paper too.

I always prefer the jp release since the english version ditches the dust jacket/inside cover art and obi.

>>2362452
Much obliged anon, thanks for the answer. Good point about the dust jacket and obi, although the reason I considered the SS release is because I can't nihongo. Then again, I do most of my reading online now anyways, guess I'll get the nip one for 15 bucks less.

>>2362210
Honestly, it's the same for me, which is falling on substance abuse instead of finding an actual solution to your problems. I don't have anything against people doing drugs recreationally, because I couldn't care less about them or whatever the fuck they do, but, if they're going to suggest other people to use drugs to solve their problems, I'm going to go after them like a fanatic.

>>2362243
>muh medicine
The way I see it, medicine hinders evolution and it's usage only allows for overpopulation. Anyway, the fact that it is used as medicine won't change my ideals. If you were to suggest other traditional medicines I'd react in the same way, since I believe humans have to work their own way out (or, with the help of their peers), not rely on medicine or drugs, since they will never achieve actual success otherwise (imagine your problems are chemical reactions, and drugs are catalysers that while hastening the process, will decrease the output amount of the desired chemical).

>>2362481
Take your dumb shit to some other board or website.

>>2362481
I want tumblr to leave. This including any cancer like Okazus and shit. I can't cringe more even if I wanted to.

>>2362481
Christ, you're actually retarded.

>>2362614
I never said I wasn't.

>>2362610
tumblr? Did you even read what I wrote? Or is that the only insult you know in english?

>>2362745
Calm down, tumblr.

>167cm and 38kg
Damn. I'm the same height and even when I wasn't eating right I was only around 100 pounds. I had the sunken chest and protruding ribs and all, but I never had the boney legs like she got. Although I can't imagine going five days between showers, I hate even being sticky.

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>>2362481

>The way I see it, medicine hinders evolution and it's usage only allows for overpopulation.

You just went full baka. Never go full baka.

>>2361961
>>2361965
Does that read as awkward in Japanese?

Direct translations are almost never good at expressing the feeling of words.

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>>2361976
>>2362008
Were you guys too busy fapping to actually read at that point?

>>2362897
What? I mostly enjoyed this manga because of the whole depression thing along with eating disorders. Sure, the lesbian thing is intriguing, but I fortunately couldn't relate or feel any second-hand embarrassment simply because I didn't go through any of that.
>>2362765
>153cm
>34kg at my worst
If I'm this short and looked like fucking Eugenia Cooney or whatever her name is at 34kg, I don't want to imagine how a girl that tall would look like at 38kg. As for the showers, it depends on each person, I could literally go 2 weeks without a single shower and not smell because I don't sweat and am always cold, and although I felt disgusting and guilty because I love showers, your will to do anything remotely productive is dead. Thinking back then, I can't go back to not taking a shower every single day now. What the fuck.

>>2362897
Also, she never mentioned masturbation, which was my point all along.

>>2362481

Wow that edge, I think I'm bleeding. Please don't throw out "evolution" like it somehow justifies your distorted ass world-view. I swear Darwin could power the entire planet with how fast he is spinning in his grave 24 7.

It's nice to be a perfectly normal person with the luxury of problems you can manage yourself or with peers, but that really just isn't the case with a lot of people. Good thing we evolved big ol brains so we could invent some good ass medicine.

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>>2363138
I don't care about your "point", windbag. You said something that contradicted the manga. I posted the page that refuted it. That's all.

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>>2363203
You're fucking retarded, why would you care, really. You mentioned a point I never mentioned or intervened in and then "refuted" the point I never made, true autism speaks louder. Or just retardation, like I initially said.

>>2308569
I do, but if I wanted to pursue them I would have to abandon responsibilities to my family.

Kind of like how George Bailey has to abandon his dreams of travelling the world to take over his family's Savings & Loan. He either has to let Potter take over his family's business or permanently defer his dreams in order to support others who cannot fend for themselves.

Is there any private report on /u/'s lesbian experience with loneliness? I'm a dude and not lonely at all, so I can't write one obviously.

>>2364310
I don't think there are real girls on /u/ either though. I bet there are only ropleplaying fags and ftm traps here.

>>2364313
I am a cute girl(male)

>>2364310
Unfortunately I'm a virgin who would rather buy figs and manga instead of prostitutes.

>>2364313
Eighty percent of /u/ is female.

>>2364348
it's 50/50 senpai
every poll has had those results.

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>>2364383
>using non lesbian reaction images on /u/

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>>2364381
Polls are unreliable on 4chan. Marble cake, etc.

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>>2364391
Please don't revoke my gay card

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>>2364718
I know that feel too much

It's progress. She managed to touch the girl back somewhat instead of coldfishing it.

>It did feel good
Oh my god finally. The sexual pleasure I wanted her to feel.

Unless she meant touching the boobs felt good.

>>2364709
god damn I could land a cessna on that prostitute's forehead

>>2364398
5 demerits. You're on thin ice

Are these prostitutes she's seeing exclusively lesbian prostitutes? Is there a large enough market for that?

>>2364787
She looked up a lesbian escort service, so yeah. They do exist.

>>2364787
I've read that there's a big market for it in Japan, but I do have to wonder if total demand would be enough to support a dedicated lesbian deliheru.

Maybe it's like Lyft and Uber where drivers work on both platforms. Except the girls would be working for both lesbian and hetero agencies

>>2361455
>straight translation
That's usually their problem if anything. Centaurs life suffers when they say shit like goat-folk when they could say satyrs

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>>2364707
Why is it in JPG?

>>2364787
Sure, there are tons of lesbian prostitution sites.
Here's a couple if you're curious:
http://yuri-shinjuku.net/top.php
http://lesbian-tokyo.jp/cast/

>>2364787
I've heard that every lesbian in Japan lives in Tokyo or retreats into the internet, so in that one place, yeah. There's also reverse trap hostess bars and the like.

>>2364856
>reverse trap hostess bar
What's that like? Do they all dress in tuxedos or just in jeans and a shirt?

>>2364869
I only know about them from a documentary about host clubs in general. I've never been. Dinner jackets and short hair seemed to predominate. Also, since you just made me put this in my browsing history, I'm gonna put it in yours.
http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2015/05/27/lesbian-hooker-service-in-kabukicho-targets-gaijin-gals/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHAOPHb3ngQ
These girls are cute.
>They are without bear
Indeed.

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>>2364878
>foreign ladies find Japanese women attractive
I won't dispute that. I even share Kabi's taste for older women, since some Japanese girls age like fine wine. I was browsing that lesbian prostitution website that they link to and you can even have the girl dress up in a costume. I want the policewoman to give me a deep cavity search. Unfortunately, I am already older than any of the girls.

http://yuri-shinjuku.net/girlInfo.php?id=702
>105cm bust
yes please

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>>2364879
Does this mean the women who go to these clubs claim to be straight?

>>2364902
>no pet bears allowed
How cruel

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>>2364902
Sounds like it. This website: https://tokyogirlsupdate.com/guide/dansou-bar-prince-nakano makes it seems like women also claim to go to these reverse trap bars because they can look at cute "guys" without having to actually be around men.

>>2364913
Japan really elevates playing pretend to an artform sometimes. Also, in retrospect, Maria+Holic was essentially the reverse of this w/ some S&M play thrown in.

>>2364902
Pretty sure any girl who is into danso (as an expectator) is at least bisexual. If she's straight and into it then it's just a slippery slope from there.

>>2364878
>>foreign ladies find Japanese women attractive
I'm sure there are a lot of great interracial yuri as a result. Interesting that there is no hostess labeled as aggressor?

>>2364940
That's probably a separate club.

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>>2364947
Do they allow bears in there?

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>>2364948
>>bears
Yea and huntress' too, slow poke.

>>2364955
I'm just saying that leaving my pet behind is unbearable for me.

>>2364995
I can't bear any more of these jokes, anon.

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>>2365017
Yes you can. Calm down and get your bearings.

>>2364707
>unintentionally super gay

Now I need to know what it is.

>>2364733
She did it! I'm proud of her.

>>2365023
Bear in mind, the joke landscape on /u/ is often bearren.

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>>2365226
But with a little effort, we can thrive on only the bear necessities.

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>>2365023
>>2365226
>>2365578

jump

>>2309210
I read posts like this and often think that people behind them must be living pretty terrible lives if they can't handle an inocuous piece about bad feelings.

I know it's just a prejudice of mine, but whenever people tell me they didn't like this or that movie or book because it was too sad, I think less of them.

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>>2370699
You think less of someone just because they're often sad? What an asshat.

>>2370998
What that nee-san was
>whenever people tell me they didn't like this or that movie or book because it was too sad, I think less of them.
There are people out there who won't watch a sad movie/read a sad book because they might be made to be sad from reading it - so they just avoid it at all, as if saddness is a "bad" thing, or an emotion one never wants to experience.

Which is absolutely wrong, and a terrible opinion. I look down on people who never want to experience anything but their naive happiness too.

>>2370998
I think I didn't make my point well enough. It's not because they're often sad (that would be depression, actually, and that's another can of beans), but because they cannot handle their own frustrations or fears well enough that a simple work of art becomes too overbearing.

I get legit mad when people say things like Grave of the Fireflies or Oyasumi PunPun are shit just because "it's so depressing". Both of those works are great on their own right and have faults of their own, and one doesn't point to any of those with a judgment like that. It's a poor opinion, and says more about the one talking than the thing they're talking about. They'd be clearly lacking in emotional intelligence if they cannot look inside themselves and point this out.

In the end, it becomes another way for them to shove their insecurities onto me, and I get upset as a result. It's what happens.

thump

>>2308429

it's symbolic, it doesn't have to make sense

>>2371008
>>2371004

For me, it tends to be that I just don't like to watch stuff that's going to make me more depressed than I already am. I prefer to consume media like that when I'm in a good place, mentally speaking.

>>2371008
>they cannot handle their own frustrations or fears well enough that a simple work of art becomes too overbearing.
I already have to handle my frustrations and fears for most of the time, I don't want them shoved in my face when I'm trying to relax with my hobbies. Is that too much to ask for?

I agree that judging a work negatively because it makes you feel bad is supercial and dumb, but that's an entirely different issue from not wanting to read something because you know it's going to be depressing. I liked Punpun when I read it a few years ago, and I still do, but it's definitely not something I'd choose to read again today.

>>2377750
As someone also struggling with depression I get what you mean - but I also still can't agree. I just feel that the "negative" emotions so many people are afraid of feeling are truly important. Sorrow, anger, despair, etc are painful to even read about if you truly connect or can find similarities in your life, but I think that there is something to be gained even in a "bad place" mentally speaking. Enough that, even in the depths of my own despair, experiencing stuff like this isn't a negative.

>>2378402
Maybe only if you have vanilla depression, but that shit combined with OCD (intrusive thoughts/thought loops) is fucking torture.

>>2378411
But anon, I do have OCD. You're preaching to the choir here. I just figure that if I'm going to have all of those terrible thoughts regardless of my actions, I might as well read something along the way.

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>>2378402
>I get what you mean

>>2378414
Nice enough if it doesn't make your brain eat itself alive then. I'm going to continue to stick to fluff when I'm really in the hole though.

Any group working on translating of the sequel yet?

https://comic.pixiv.net/works/2308

>>2381053
Nope.
http://safe.yuriproject.net/res/20361.html

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!!

>>2308389
I found this manga right next to My Hero Academia at Barnes and Noble and I'm just laughing at the thought of kids and parents trying to find shounen manga and finding this.

>>2308389
Is this comic as depressing as the name might suggest?

>>2386402
It fucked me up, but that's mostly because I can relate to having a shitty job.

>>2386402
It ends on a pretty positive note, but she does go through some shit that will hit you hard if you've ever had to deal with depression.

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First parody I've seen of her bookcover. It had to happen. I don't know what the title is, though.

>>2388454
Suhabe sugite resu something ta something kimashita report kurupin

>>2388677
You've got け, ズ and に wrong

>>2388677
Translation for the moonspeak impaired?

>>2388901
It's the same title with lonely changed to lecherous

>>2388904
Thanks!

>>2388680
Being sleep deprived is great. Here I was thinking I had mistaken SO for N again, too.
>>2388901
I am on that category too, sorry.

>>2388991
Sleep deprivation doesn't typically make you forget the alphabet, sis. Shitpost less, study more.

>>2389021
I didn't forget it, I misread it. I posted that last post at 5 am, too. I'm dumb on my own merit, but the shitty reading I made the other day was highly influenced by sleep deprivation.

Where can I order this in Japanese? I want to give her my money and I want a physical tankoban.

>>2389149

If you are in the US, Books Kinokuniya has it.

http://www.kinokuniya.com/us/index.php/fbs003?common_param=9784781614427

Whenever I read this I have this strong urge to find an escort somehow, but it seems really scary and daunting. I'm not even that interested in sex desu. I would only do it to be held and kissed and feel loved. Anyone else?

>>2396774
If you hire a hooker and don't get laid you've just wasted your money

>>2396777
Like I said I'm not really interested in sex. I just want someone to pretend they love me for awhile.

>>2396793
How bout them phone sex?
>Hi I want you to pretend that you're my long distance gf and you love me and ask about my day. And then I tell you about the mac and cheese I had and then you'll say how unhealthy it is and that you wish you could be here and make me a home-cooked meal using your great grandmama's secret recipe. Quick, I can only afford ten minutes.

>>2396797
You're very funny

>>2396793
Prostitutes aren't actors, they probably won't know what to do, while billing you sex prices.

I think they actually have what you are looking for in Japan though

>>2396774
>>2396793
Go find an actual girlfriend, my dear.

>>2397007
If I could get a gf why would I be thinking about getting an escort.. nobody is going to settle for me at this point anon. I've tried online dating, I've tried irl dating, I've tried Tinder (yuck). Nothing. It's been this way for years. What can I do?

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>>2397038
Date me!

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>>2397113
b-but I'm not very attractive you see..

>>2397166
So no different than my original plan

Take /soc/ shit to >>>/soc/

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MODSSSS

>>2397245
Just start reporting and don't kick up a fuss.

>>2396774
From the sound of it, those are services they offer, and finding one is as simple as googling it if you live where it's legal.

>>2396860
>Prostitutes aren't actors
Everyone in the service industry is an actor.

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>>2397508
The line between the mask and the face is a blurry one.
If you spend so much time being someone else, would it be wrong to say you are that person?

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>>2398183
>I pretended to be an onee-sama on /u/.
>now I am an onee-sama.

>>2308389
Why am I relating so much? Except for the incestuous feelings/clingy to mother part,overeating episodes and hiring a hooker ever I can relate so much it hurts.
I just want to be loved already but I'm too spaghetti and nervous to be in a relationship.
Kill me.

>>2402155
I have the same predicament and I'm total shit at giving advice, but there are loads of people out there just like you. Maybe try looking for groups of people that share your interests?

>>2402370
>look for groups of people that like yuri
That's a dangerous and terrible idea.

>>2402376
Shit, you're right.
Maybe wait until we make breakthroughs in waifu technology..?

Shout out to all my homies who have had their parents confuse the book for porn because of the cover

>>2404802
>implying I live at home
summer

>>2404802
I buy my own books with my own money.

Do you have to get mummy and daddy to buy your toys?

>>2404812
No I bought the book with my own money

I just live at home to save on rent because my parents live right next to campus

>>2404803
>>2404812
>not inviting your parents over to show them that you're flourishing on your own and buying all the porn manga you want

>private
>publishes it as a manga

>>2404844
It's just a bit Engrish. That wasn't in Japanese title. It might be confusion over private vs personal.