They don't make kino like this anymore

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Was his verdict fair?

That whole era of history is bizarrely underused in film.

>>87819431
Fucking this

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I always liked this dude.

Poor guy got friendzoned and burned alive. Love hurts.

STAY ALIVE NO MATTER WHAT OCCURS

UH WILL FIND YOU. *UH WILL FIND YOU*

final 20 minutes or so are fucking flawless

the GREATEST heist film in the 21st century!

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>>87819249

Amazing film. The climax was spectacular. Magua was a great villain, ruthless with reason. Got it on blue ray at a good price recently.

If this were made today, would SJW's protest this film due to some of the bad guys being Indian?

>>87820679
Would definitely get boycotted for casting DDL instead of an actor with some native ancestry

>>87820679
More DDL appropriating Indian culture

Fuck Charles Dance.

Daniel Day put in a lot of physical work for this role.

>>87819249
is this the sequel to last sumari?

>>87820744
???

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>>87820679
They would say that it shows that the French got along better with their native mercenaries and were therefore more justified in taking over the New World.

There would also be a bunch of articles shitting on the british cuck guy even though he never did anything wrong and did the right, noble thing in the end.

>>87820872
Fuck this fucking culture. Goddamnit.

>>87820679
Yeah probably they'd demand DDLs character be an Indian and Magua as a white cis male.

>>87820868
He's a terrible actor compared to DDL. Check the facts.

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*Clannad starts playing*

>>87819346
Yes. Magua gets his revenge and Munro's lineage survives.

>>87819431
17th/18th century North America?

Northwest Passage
Black Robe
The Iroquois Trail
The Patriot
Fort Ti

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>>87822611

Magua is the man

>>87819249
WE WUZ MOHICANS N SHIET

>>87819807
kek

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>>87822892
Magua's gangster.

>>87822756
Of those I've only seen or heard of Black Robe, which is great BTW.

There are so many Western movies about Indians, but we know by then the Indians are mostly powerless and finished, and they're no real mystery anymore. It's just unified whitey rolling over the defeated and the doomed.

But early colonial North America has to be one of the most fascinating times/places in history: so many sides fighting against each other in complex shifting alliances across a largely empty and beautiful wilderness (that we know in retrospect is destined to be the most important region of the modern world).

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>>87819249
It's a good movie, with a lovely soundtrack. But it doesn't reach the levels of Braveheart, which they also don't make any longer...
thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pCv7k_Hzvg

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Can we all agree this is the most aesthetic weapon of all time?

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>>87823229
no

>>87823226
I rooted for the English in Braveheart. Longshanks was just that much cooler than the rest of the cast.

Find me a more Kino 10 minutes in film

https://youtu.be/8BxDpOu3cD0

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>>87823368
>rooting for Longshanks
for real? I mean.. this isn't exactly a Karate Kid situation we're dealing with here. But hey, as long as you enjoyed the movie.

>>87819249
That fucking soundtracks is one of the greatest ever.

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>>87819249
This movie is so fucking good. And the soundtrack.....

>>87823407
The music makes at least half of this. Guess the other half is mostly the patience with the cam/shots (nobody got time for that nowadays...), now that's Kino. It's excellent.

>>87823441
I heard the main theme playing in a bar in Bolivia last night bizarrely.

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>>87819431
It's a fascinating time period. I would recommend reading the book series, the Leatherstocking Tales, that this movie is based on, but it's a bit dated in terms of narrative and pacing and style. It's very long too, but these books were wildly popular in the US when they were released, so much so that they were depicted in many forms of 18th Century American art. This painting by the Hudson River School master Thomas Cole depicts the climax of the Last of the Mohicans. The public just ate it up, James Fenimore Cooper became a very, very wealthy man due to their success

>>87823528
Were there any Incan war parties nearby?

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>>87823536
>Lederstrumpf (leatherstockings)
>were wildly popular in the US when they were released
In Europe too. Home, sweet home of spaghetti western.

>>87819431
this. flintlock guns/muskets are fucking cool

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>>87823623
How BASED was old dude's weapon though?!
I still don't know what it is, but he wrecked shit with it.

Tho if I had to guess, it's an "Ancient Klingon War Hammerblade of Death" given to him by Warf when he was sent back in time by Q.

>>87823771
See>>87823229

>>87823771
Gunstock war club.

When the natives first saw Europeans with guns, and their magical killing ability, they fashioned weapons to look the same (cargo cult style) but without appreciating the operating mechanic.

>>87824005
>cargo cult style
For real? Amazing. And yeah, now I see the similarity in shape, but he's holding/handling it completely different... how did they develop this technique if they were trying to copy the magic of guns?

Re: colonial America, the Pocahontas story has been done a million times to death (and never well afaik).

Somewhat later time period but I'm surprised a movie has never been made about Tecumseh (afaik).

>>87824085
Presumably they already were fighting with clubs with blades in them, the difference is only slight.

Plus I doubt it was a popular weapon since they quickly got lots of guns of their own.

>>87823929
>>87824005
I musta skipped right over its mention above. Dope!

Now I have to make one of these bad boys for myself and murder some LARPers (never bring foam swords to a gunstock warclub fight, motherfuckers!)

>>87824085
People back then had a lot less information, a lot fewer people to discuss things with, and a lot less not-getting-shot-at interaction with Europeans than you'd think.

They just mapped the things they knew (knife/club fighting) onto the understandable parts of the weird superweapon (musket stocks).

>>87824184
There was an East German movie about Tecumseh in the 70s but otherwise it is definitely a very forgotten period, which is a shame. Tecumseh's war is a fascinating period. Many Americans were named after Tecumseh, including William Tecumseh Sherman

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>>87824184
Tecumseh was a badass motherfucker, no joke!

Cast Old Diamond Phillips and send those mothafuckin white boys back to the spirit world!

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>>87824328
Every other thing in the Midwest and middle Canada is named after Tecumseh (particularly odd when he fought the US: you know you're respected af when your enemies fall over themselves honoring you). Definitely had the most impact of any Native American on world history unless I'm forgetting someone (not a high bar), yet he's totally overlooked today.

On reflection I think his story would make a better tv series than a movie: way too much to pack into a movie.

>>87820679
Interestingly enough Michael Mann apparently found the book especially triggering because of how the colonists were portrayed as righteous or something

>>87824635
I agree, it's too complex to form into a 3 hour story, you would need a television series to really flesh out the political atmosphere of the time period and which countries sided with whom and for what reasons. Americans have a very short memory and few people are even aware of the atmosphere leading up to the Civil War, let alone 50 years prior.

>>87824946
I'm no SJW, but he kind of has a point. Though Cooper does honor the Native tribes in many ways, the Leatherstocking series is essentially about a man who is able to live among both the savage Natives and the refined, civilized colonists. But that was the mentality of the time period. It was completely non-controversial when it came out and even society's most liberal and progressive members of the time widely loved it.

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Movie about John Horse?

>>87824946
wtf i hate michael mann now?

>>87825050
The trouble is that modern SJWs can't see anything from a contextualized historical perspective. In their eyes there were ever only peaceful natives who were encroached upon by FUCKING WHITE MALES!

>>87822756
5 movies
Compare it to, say, medieval Europe

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Curious: was there any political reaction when Apocalypto came out (I didn't note it).

On the one hand it shows the brutality pre-contact mesoameriva (not inaccurately) so I'd think it'd 'trigger' a lot of people, but on the other hand the entire cast are native Americans and the whole movie is in a native language, and the characters are normal humans not stereotypes. Plus Mel Gibson.

Also an incredible movie of course.

The main theme is a huge nostalgia trigger for me, my dad used to listen to that all the time when I was a kid. Never actually seen the movie though, guess I oughta.

>>87825431
You should; it's worth your time.

>>87819431
because people either think they learned "everything" in school and are thus "bored" of it
or are caught up in political nonsense and think all colonial history is evil racism that should be forgotten
I find it fascinating honestly, I've gone diving in the Great Lakes and you can see hundreds of old shipwrecks on the bottom there

>>87824988
Seems like the British do these sorts of long historical tv series about their history all the time.

In the US if it's not about slavery and how evil white southerners were/are history seems pretty much forgotten.

>>87819346
I'm not sure. My gut feeling says no. Magua was a forward thinking man. His path may not have been the Huron way, but his way would've given the Huron strength and the ability to compete with the white man. Sachem's solution was to sit by and do nothing, and now they're limited to reservations. I daresay Magua did nothing wrong.

>>87823469
>ywn reload your musket at full sprint on a mountain trail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tjdswqGGVg

>>87825376
I distinctly remember some college students/professors going apeshit about how the Mayans were treated and by the arrival of the Spanish in the film.

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>>87825475
The fact that there were ship-of-the-line naval battles on the Great Lakes is something I'm sure 99.9999999% of people aren't aware of.

But of course what we really need in our history classes is more about trans women.

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>>87825721
>But of course what we really need in our history classes is more about trans women.

>>87825705
Iirc there's just a glimpse of a Spanish ship at the end, wut?

>>87825705
>the arrival of the Spanish in the film

Never understood how some people thought they were portrayed as "saviors", they always seemed very foreboding to me.

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>>87825721
When did this happen exactly?

>>87825924
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_Erie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engagements_on_Lake_Ontario

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>>87825924
lots of times
I've seen these ships often before all over, some are close to the surface and you can see them free-diving, others are deeper down which you need scuba gear for

there are also some more modern ships down there, gigantic container ships and others.

pic related is just lake erie

>>87825812
>>87825813
People were acting like mean old Mel Gibson presented the Spanish as saviors at the end.

>>87825924
A couple times on Erie, Ontario, and I believe Lake Champlain. The painting is from the battle of Lake Erie in the war of 1812 which is where the "we have met the enemy and he is ours" meme comes from. Crucial to the Tecumseh (put him on the back foot and ultimately led to the battle that got him killed).

But before you go down that irrelevant rabbit hole, let me point out that one guy who fought in the revolutionary war may have been a Muslim. Woke.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_R7bJahcwc

>>87826151
I took it as the old order coming to an end in an 'apocalypse', in a Mayan-time-cycle sort of way, with no real moral judgement.

>>87820718
But DDL character is white in the novel.

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>>87826066
>>87826148
>>87826174
Nice work boys.

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>>87823407
>mfw DDL fucking dual-wielding the muskets at 7:50

>>87827640
Not that this movie is trying to be particularly accurate, but there's no way someone could do that given the recoil.

>>87825506
Well the tradition of honoring your enemies is very European. It goes back to Saladin, who was despised for his position but widely admired for his intellect, bravery and cunning

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>>87827793
There is no point in fighting if you can't respect your enemy.
t. eurocuck

>>87827721
Wasn't Daniel Day-Lewis so in-character during filming that he was hunting for food during lunch breaks and shit? Like completely acting like he was living in that time period? It's possible he went full /operator/ and trained himself to be able to fire two muskets at once. It wouldn't be the most ridiculous thing he's done.

>tfw talking about DDL's method acting is forever tainted because of memes about him as well as the fact that Jared Leto acting like a cunt constitutes "method acting" these days

>>87827721
In the novels, Hawkeye lives to be over 100 or some shit. Realism is not in the spirit of James Fenimore Cooper.

https://youtu.be/OGibwA8bQzE

Daniel Day Lewis talks about how he trained.

>>87827937
Don't worry. There's "method acting", and there's the daniel day-lewis method. Nobody is confusing the two.

>>87827937
There wouldn't be the recoil without the balls loaded. Of those were loaded guns they'd fly out of his hands and probably break them.

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>>87828055
>I don't mind doing anything
>My body doesn't like it
this man.

>>87828083
>only 2 more hours of Daniel Day-Lewis acting left until he's retired
>tfw at least Phantom Thread will be DDL's swan song in the same way The Master was Phillip Seymour Hoffman's

crazy how we're getting PTA/DDL kino in only 3 months and we haven't even gotten a poster yet. I'm worried it's going to be a situation like Silence where the poster/trailer is finally revealed like a month before the release date and it flops because mainstream audiences will have no idea it exists, but I guess it has the marketability of being "Daniel Day-Lewis' final performance ever" to generate hype. Did they ever officially confirm the title? Or was it just rumored for so long that people just accepted it as official

>>87828055
For DDL play any rolls with his normal voice/accent? It's bizarre to hear.

>>87828469
phantom thread is set in london. i'd imagine that he won't use his normal accent though.

>>87819249
The ending was glorious. Saw it when it first came out. To this day I always think of the ending when making a big decision. If only the inexperienced son would have waited for his dad to help him out, he would have lived.

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>>87830217
>If only the inexperienced son would have waited for his dad to help him out, he would have lived.
That's an idiotic thing to say. Like all "what if" scenarios are utterly moronic.
>son waits for dad
>both attack bad guy
>son makes mistake
>dad helps son
>bad guy kills dad
>bad guy kills son
Now what if?

The theme of this film was taken from Scottish folk singer Dougie MacLean's soundtrack for a Loch Ness Monster exhibit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ2MGloZV4U

>>87819249
>period piece kino
Leave it to Mel, he's got more left in him.

>>87830217
>>87830455
>not realizing it was a book written in 1826
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_of_the_Mohicans

>>87831239
All movies are based on books

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>>87830455
Anons right, if the son waited, both the dad and son would be killed.

But bad guy would be distracted long enough that he wouldn't see a charred still alive Duncan slide down the cliff above him and slice bad guy in half from head to toe with his saber saving the day and winning the girl!

Duncan rules!!!

The End.

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what went wrong /tv/?

>>87831336
the book follows uncas a lot more than it does hawkeye. in fact, a good portion of hawkeye's lines in the movie are stolen from dialog between cora and uncas. the plot is essentially the exact same though.

>>87831380
Damn Mohawk scout.

>>87819249
We rented this and Shawshank Redemption at the same time. It took me years to remember which was which.

>>87819431

Very much so.

Nobody wants to talk about how fucked up the French or British were towards the Native Americans. Oh no, just the white settlers that moved west; somehow the old empires are devoid of guilt.

Read a book you stupid fucks.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgngFW4rqyw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vlcuvrM1po

They certainly don't. Although I'd much rather have a very high budget tv-series about the Napoleonic and American wars than a movie.

>>87832211

>no series about the Napoleonic wars

It drives me mad. PBS is doing a series on Vietnam like something has changed at this point. For FUUUUCKS sake.

>>87832261

The point to add being, to me; is that the Vietnamese welcome us now. They don't care that we were their enemies then. Now they want to share with us their rich culture, and their ideas. Everybody should think the way they do. We're the ones that attribute guilt, because nobody else has it. We say "hey you should be angry." In Vietnam, they ask "why." They're an amazing, inspiring people that everybody should see as an example.

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>>87832261
>No series about the Napoleonic wars

I guess I"m the only one who hated this movie?

>>87832619

There should be more. Rather than US vs Vietnam. It's very stupid and ignores wars that have gone on for centuries. The history channel in the US used to have features that had wars that went one throughout the centuries but now we just get "well what has the US done ever and HERE'S HOW YOU SHOULD FELL ABOUT IT."

It's sanctimonious crap and I really miss what history channel used to be. They used to even line up little 3D figures to help you understand their battle strategies.

I want my educational channels back.

>>87832789
>relying on cable channels for education
Why don't you just read a book you stupid fuck?

>>87832856

Well, I do but I loved the way it used to be displayed on television. Now all I CAN do is read books.

>>87832196
>Muh Noble savage
Why don't YOU read a book.

>>87828108
I'm a reenactor and you definitely couldn't dual wield. The ball increases the recoil but even a full charge rammed down is enough to bruise your shoulder. DDL would have broken his wrists.

>>87832994

The Cherokee had a written language and developed culture before anyone landed on the Americas. Otherwise no, they weren't noble at all.

The Blackfoot were the most vicious, savage fucks ever and directed a LOT of hostility from white settlers. If it weren't for them there may not have been so many war campaigns towards the Indian in the Northwest. I know that history on an intimate level.

Fury Road and Hacksaw ridge are the last films ive seen that i'd consider Epic's

>>87833200
neither of those would be considered epics.

>>87833084

To add- the other tribes hated the hell out of the blackfoot. Browning is a shithole (where the blackfeet have their reservation) and the Salish-Kootenai (where they have a reservation) have a veritable paradise. Guess which one knew how to trade with white people, or else was peaceful?

I'm half cree/cherokee and the other half is French. The Cree were as stupid as the Blackfoot and they barely exist now. White people are actually FOR retaining the culture of the native population. Unless you want to kil them.

>>87825721
>tfw playing as England
>tfw i'm wrecking shit left and right with my Ships of the line
>tfw a colonial power house
>tfw i get to kill scots as a bonus

life is good

>>87820775
>Starfighter
>Crusade
>Action Hero
>Boyscout
What a strange cinematic universe

>>87825337
The Black Knight
It's an instant classic

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>>87833695

We saw your Navy, and raised you an air force.

The Russians thought a massive army was a good idea. That was proven to pure idiocy in the Gulf War. We had a massive stable of tank killers in our air force just for dealing with Russian tank battalions.

Thanks dad.

>>87831380
He fought well, the ambush scene where he ducks then takes out a native with a club, fucking perfect.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2eAOqpIy2B0
1:57

>>87820872
>They would say that it shows that the French got along better with their native mercenaries and were therefore more justified in taking over the New World.
But it's true

>>87827323
>implying anyone would care

>>87827937
Daniel Day-Lewis is a tier of his own amongst method actors.

While filming Gangs of New York he caught pneumonia and almost died. He didn't want any medication or antiobiotics or anything because "they didn't have that in the 1860s".

https://track5.mixtape.moe/itrwgh.webm