Will /tv/ ever stop getting BTFO? http://variety.com/2017/t

I liked it

Heck yeah. CBS can suck a dong!

I haven't watched it, but I probably should. I don't mind Seth's humor but it can be hit or miss. The real charm this show will have is Seth's huge boner for Star Trek. That guy is a huge fan, and I would really enjoy to essentially see his version of the show. I think he respects the source material too much to make a cheap shitty "funny" version of Star Trek.

Actually not as bad as I expected and I fucking hate seth macfarlane. Will probably watch a couple more episodes

>>87673589
I did too man. I'll admit the first episode was average with stupid jokes but you could see glimpses of a potentially good show.

>>87673650
Basically the reason why I tuned into the show. The fate of the show relies on the ability of Seth to write. I'm not sure if he can do it or not.

>>87673650
The show is really much more like TOS/TNG Star Trek than it is like Family Guy or Ted

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>>87673589
Same here. It was pretty fun, and the jokes didn't get too obnoxious or feel out of place.
I'm looking forward to seeing how racist they'll let the robot get.
>>87673650
It was pretty respectable to Trek stuff, though I like how they're making it feel more casual and not taking themselves too seroiusly, like the black dude drinking a coke while flying the ship. It was a small thing, and not really 'that' funny, but it worked, also the thing with the hot glue.
I'm wondering how much fun they'll end up poking at Trek as it goes along, like mentioning the one bathroom thing or something.
Good start so far.

>>87673228
I think the show's biggest problem is that Seth is the lead character. If he cast someone else I don't think the ratings would be as bad.

>>87673228
Those are some pretty mediocre ratings.

This show will get canceled soon.

"Seth is a bad actor" is a new CBS talking point btw. Expect to see variations on this posted endlessly by CBS in the days leading to the launch of STD.

>NBC won the night with a 6.5 and 17.7 million viewers.

Dayum! NBC completely annihilated FOX

Y'know what this show legitimately needs?

The writers that saved American Dad; The writers that left Futurama.

>>87673850
Why don't you discuss the show instead of discussing conspiracy theories?

>>87673589

I liked it too.

Reviewers are literally worth nothing.

>>87673869
>Saved American Dad
>Show that got exiled to a network that nobody watches
>Ratings lower than a late night informercial

>>87673867

>amerifats love handegg

shocking

Seth is a legitimately bad actor. This has been cited in everything he has done, from Ted to a Million Ways to Die. The guy just can't act. He's painful to watch on screen. Every moment is cringe worthy.

>>87673918
>FOX damage control
LEL

This show did just a bit better than the latest season of Big Brother, a shit reality show that nobody cares about.

>>87673899
American Dad was saved before it moved to TBS, you realize? The writers left Futurama when that was still cancelled, too.

>>87673956
It was never saved.

>>87673817
The ratings were 2nd behind Sunday Night Football retard.

>>87674008
Way, way, way, way behind football.

And just a bit above a shitty reality show. The damage control in this thread is hilarious.

>>87673850
But what if he is a bad actor? or are you determined to shut down all criticism of the show?

>>87674160
You must be a Emma Roberts fan

>>87674182
don't really know of her tbqh
Was there a point you were making?

>>87674238
Emma Roberts sucks at acting but still has many fans

>>87673228

It's goofball scifi, who can't love that? You have to be a human asshole not to.

>>87674024
Why do you hate fun man?

>>87674284
Dunno why I would be a fan then

>>87673228

I liked the use of practical effects

The quips were mediocre though

>>87674319
Me either

except a few fags /tv./ liked it. You have to ignore half the jokes but its fine.

>>87674329

It wasn't sharp, but it wasn't dull either. Give them time. Did you watch the first Star Trek TNG?

>>87674008
Well then that must not be what I was talking about. I'm obviously talking about critical ratings you stupid fuck
>17% positive
Rub your two brain cells together before posting

>>87674513
>RedditTomatoes
Who cares.

>>87674290
You didn't get the notice? If a show isn't pushing some kind of political agenda or satirizing modern culture it's baaaad.

>>87674513
im glad im not as bored as you

Just tried to watch this.
Is it supposed to be a comedy?
It looks like a parody of ST but it's boring, unfunny and played straight, with an awful divorce drama. Looks like a bootleg Star Trek.

>>87674581
>It looks like a parody of ST
can you elaborate on that

>expect Family Guy but in space
>or Red Dwarf with Seth's humor
>get an actually good space sci-fi show
Color me pleasantly surprised, really looking forward what this show will do in the future.

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Look, it's ok to like a trek fan series, but shilling it constantly will only cause it to eventually receive backlash here. Unless that's your plan you CBS fucks

>>87674424

i actually thought the voice actor for the alien robot thing was data for a second

was it intentional

>>87675147
it stinks they need to make it different

>>87673228
where can I watch this online?

>>87675238
https://www.fox.com/watch/2ae78a0e3d34f92628300a8ad460b3ec/

>>87675267
oh I didn't know fox would just show their shows for free, thanks, anon.

Hoping it's like Galaxy Quest, to a degree.
Looks super expensive for a fox tv show.
how the fuck did Seth get the ok for this.

>>87675500
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I watched it to support Steve's voice actor. He's given me so many laffs while watching American Dad. Having Seth as the main character is fine as long as he stops making those ebin """"jokes""""

>>87673228
It was pretty decent and has potential. For a pilot it was good.

Once the universe is expanded and the characters are allowed to flanderize it could be amazing.

>>87673589

i enjoyed it, too.

>>87673897
>Reviewers are literally worth nothing.

i never read reviewers and critics. they're just people who may or may not have the same taste in shows as you. you might as well ask random people on the street their opinion on the show.

Wait so which /tv/ got BTFO? The guys saying 'It'll probably be better than Discovery' or the ones saying 'HURFA DURF FUCK SEFFARLINE XDD'

>>87674424
This.

Hell even with TOS it was considered shit until the movies.

It was very weird experience to watch a supposed comedy/spoof and only enjoy serious parts.

>>87678535

you. are. weird.

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>>87673850
>implying he isn't

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>>87673776
>also the thing with the hot glue.
I like how they future-ed it all up, yet it was still recognizable as just a plain old glue gun.

>>87673228
Good, it shows promise. hopefully people will return. Also there are some qts

I really think the whole plot with the XO being his ex-wife is pointless and cringy. However either than that it was a solid pilot episode.

>>87680231
I will watch this just for No 1

>7.3 million total viewers

In a country of 315 million people this is considered a success? Some shows have half the population of my country watching them

>>87680896
Since there is 400 channels to watch, and the show doesn't cost that much, it is a success.

About 7.32 million people watched the show. It going up vs. Sunday night football which is a huge rating monster so that a great result.

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>>87680896
These are the ratings of every other show on the network for comparison

The Simpsons did once get a whopping 33 million viewers. 27 years ago.

>>87681072
>Scream queens that low
That waifuist must be sad.

If you want to see really depressing stuff, look as Syfy viewership numbers.

>>87673589
this

>>87678669
Beside the scene where they asked evil alien about marital issues, none were funny. Strangely, even orge didn't make me laugh, even though if you described me this scene, I'd think it's the funniest shit.

>>87680231
The odd thing is I found stuff like this much more funny then some of the intended humor.

Also It was enjoyable show, I liked it.

>>87673228
/tv/ was right we clearly recognized it as the kino it is

>>87673228
Now watch as ratings drop to a half of that by the fourth episode.

>>87681329
That's because futuristic props are a trope, and this subverts it. Remember how McCoy's medical instruments were originally artsy-fartsy salt shakers? They actually got plain old salt shakers out of the cafeteria to be salt shakers in that salt monster episode.

This is something that was spray-painted to pimp it up to look like a futuristic prop, while still being clearly recognizable as a glue gun with a CO2 cartridge up its ass, and a few coats of Krylon on top. Subverting tropes is high comedy, and the pilot episode is hinting that that's exactly what we're going to get..

>>87681144

doesn't syfy earn via cable subscriptions instead of advertising revenue like the networks? networks look at ratings because advertisers look at ratings to decided whether to buy ad space in a show or not.

>>87673228
I feel like this is gonna need a season to hit it's stride, but I doubt Fox will give it a chance.

>>87681742
Maybe they get a big chunk from cable tier money, but they still run commercials.

Halston Sage is a goddess why do they have her made up like that?

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>>87674513
>He takes RT seriously

They've been so off the mark so many times it's a wonder they are used as a metric.

How long do we have to wait for a comfy holodeck episode? They're my favorite in Star Trek.

>>87681924
I like that they are making the holodeck cool in this.

>>87681907
she's going to form a relationship with the black guy and there's going to be sex jokes about her being too rough in bed mark my words

>>87681965

Well she is a Jew so it is to be expected, not that I'd watch this trash but I'd like to look at more pictures of her.

>>87681742
Yes and no, they do get money from subscriptions, but they also need ad money.

One reason why only the expanse gets a ton of funding

>>87674024

I didn't particularly like the show but a 2.3 in the demo is pretty fucking good these days.

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>>87680896
Please tell is what country that is so we can laugh
let me guess, random balkan shithole, and the show you all watch is eurovision

>>87674024
Most shows would kill for a 2.3 vs. football

>>87673850

After which gears will shift to apologizing for STD.

>>87673228
It was okay, nice surprise.

Can't he get sued by Star Trek for infringing on their IP?

>>87681920
I noticed that in the past two days, someone removed the RT link from The Orville wikipedia page. I was amused.

>>87673650
I kinda can't stand his face. Like literally his actual face. Even so, the pilot was pretty strong. Some of the jokes were a little forced, but the actual plot was shockingly like something from a real Trek episode. It didn't feel like a parody plot.

Super interested in seeing more of the big alien dude who took control of the bridge. In the trailers I thought he'd just be a lame Klingon ripoff to bounce jokes off of, but he came off more thoughtful and closer to a Vulcan. That robot design is neat to, its riding that razor edgy between corny and fitting to the setting.

I thought this was fucking great. The jokes were a little stiff but it was damn fun. Don't really get the horrible reviews.

>>87683550
Believe me, we're looking into it. Enjoy your show while it lasts, nerds.

>>87683550
You can trademark a futuristic sci-if action adventure show. They don't use anything that's trademarked.

>>87684683
Well, let's do a little test. When STD comes out and is shit (because we know it's going to be shit) let's see if the reviewers that praise it are the same ones who are giving Orville poor reviews.

If that happens, then you have the answer to the mystery.

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tfw her pussy can crush anything

>>87680231
For those of you who haven't seen it, yet, that's a sleek space pew pew fucking glue gun.

>>87684921
>she will never molest you in a turbolift

>moved to a different timeslot by week 6
>officially cancelled before the last episodes air
Cap it

>>87673228

The first half was comfy as fuck TNG tier then the action started and the show went to shit.

If the show stays like the first half I'll watch it but if it stays like the second half then I'll drop it.

>>87681733
Wow... guess you're right. Didn't think of it that way. Guess my "intended humor" comment was completely fucking dumb. Guess I'm a dummy! Thanks for the info!

>>87684918
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The reviews for this show are bad because the show sucks, not because of some politics. You've taken so many red pills you have brain damage.

>>87684918
No, let's not do that test. Reviewers are allowed to dislike this show without being STALKED by the likes of you and your alt-right cronies.

It was fun for a pilot episode. The background music, sound effects, commercial cuts all felt like they were trying for TNG which I'm fine with.

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>>87681965

>t. the black guy had the funniest lines

>>87685019
this is /tv mate if it's a show that you and the reviews agree about, reviews are the word of god, if it's a show you and the reviews disagree about, reviews are paid sabotage done by rival companies

>>87681214

Faggot, gb2r

>>87682124
>Please tell is what country that is so we can laugh
Germany

>>87673228

Do people watch sports anymore?

Are they going to compare the ratings to Don Lemon next?

>>87685074
>>87685019
Weird how two political comments right after the other. I didn't say anything political. In case you're too dense, the rest is if CBS has deeper pockets to pay reviewers than Seth does.

Le alt right boogeyman tho

>>87686053
I think the word "politics" there was in the context of "corporate politics". Either way, probably just a rectally ravaged """critic""".

>>87683572
It's really hit or miss. At least with imdb ratings it's fairly consistant whether it alligns with your tastes.

Any good metric sites that aren't trash or paid for?

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The Orville is the Donald Trump of Space Opera

>>87673228
If they focus mainly on weekly adventures and moral dilemmas and keep the shit jokes and cuck drama to a minimum it could be an ok show. Seems like we're getting the reverse.

>>87684866
>Holodeck
>Moronic bridge placement
>Diversity in space

Yep they are gonna get sewey'd.

>>87686395
>tfw a negative review makes you want to watch it
Thank you, forever butt-blasted leftshits.

>>87686411
None of it is copyrightable.

>>87686395
>the only purpose of the lost-in-space The Orville seems to be to as a way for Fox

Jesus Christ

>>87686395
It's weird how Seth is 100% liberal but liberals fucking despise him anyway

Reviewers mad because it's not as D I V E R S E as the new Star Trek

>>87686395
Wait so it does get political? Holy shit I can't wait for /tv/ to get BTFO again because MacFarlane sure as hell ain't conservative or even moderate.

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>the absolute state of television ""critics""

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>>87686577
It doesn't seem to matter that he's left of Bernie because he never got the memo that the only time you're ever allowed to speak about black people, women, gays or Muslims is to talk about how precious, valuable and intelligent they are

>>87686522
He spends about 2% of any show he makes taking light shots at a couple liberal positions.
Which basically makes him a pariah in SJW world.

>>87686621
his face seems to differ here compared to the poster

>>87686621
I can't wait to see how inverted the one for Discovery is

THAT WENT SOUTH SO FAST not exactly being Daniel Day Lewis shit aside, these guys are staking their entire series on Sasha from The Walking Dead. Fucking Sasha!

>>87686950
What's wrong with Sasha from The Walking Dead? Is she bad?

I dropped the show around season 2.

>>87685192
*Siiiiiipppp*

>>87685074
They are comparing their past reviews not watching them while the piss, anon.

>>87673650
It's super respectful, moreso than the JJ Abrams film. Like when they launch the ship, no cheap gags recycled from Galaxy Quest about scraping the ship against the spacedock, no fumbling about at the controls, they just launch the ship like they did in Trek shot for shot with some great music, great angles of the Orville model, and get on with the show.

>>87687003
She can't act for shit.

>>87673776
>like the black dude drinking a coke while flying the ship

If you want it to feel authentic, then you don't think of it as coke, but "grape drank", or "purple".

>>87687068
This. It's almost more realistic than ST because they can joke and shoot the shit more on their off time. But all of them seem competent at their jobs on the ship and when shit goes down they play the space opera straight.

>>87686621
the kino of the people

>>87687156
Purple drank is a drug concoction. Grape drank is Kool-Aid. Do you even have any AAVE credentials?

>>87687156
Check the script, it was Nigronian P'pl D'rnk, a time honored beverage.

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>>87673228

Reminder......

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Honestly? Probably not.

>>87687457
What does this have to do with Orville?

>>87687515
>One Episode
>Already on low tier

C'mon

>>87687517
CBS are attempting to paint Orville fans as hardcore racists.

>>87673589
I did too. I was really surprised by the opening and really liked the crew by the end of the pilot except for that bitch XO. She can go die in a fire somewhere.

I don't like Adrianne Palicki too much on the show, I think she brings down the quality.

>>87687630
std is their frontrunner for that shitty internet only service they're trying to push. someone coming out with a series that isn't full of WE and follows shit the fans have been waiting over a decade for is a giant threat to it. expect cbs and some reviewers to shit all over it for a while std bombs.

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>>87687660
His ex-whore of a wife really needs to have that disgusting face wart of hers removed. It's not a pretty sight in hd, and I found it very distracting in every scene in which she was prominently featured.

If she won't have it removed, then they should at least retrofit her character into one with a pinhole spycam in her forehead.

>>87673228
I enjoyed Ted 1 & 2 but don't find Family Guy funny at all. Will I like Orville? and how is the ex-wife character? Looked like a shit character for forced drama.

>>87687826
Have you ever seen a person in real life? That's pretty tame as far as imperfections go

>>87687515
>cowboy bebop
>high
>above both red dwarf and futurama
AHAHAHAHA nice try weeaboos.

>>87687887
>Have you ever seen a person in real life?

Of course, but people in real life don't appear ten times bigger in hi definition to me in my living room. And neither do their disgusting face warts.

>>87687515
>low tier

We have very different tastes.

>>87688059
You could always ask the person holding you at gunpoint if they'll change the channel.

>>87688218
If I wanted to look at disgusting face warts I'd watch Ren & Stimpy.

>>87687826
I think it's cute, like Rachel Nichols' skin tag in Continuum.

>>87687630
Source?

>>87688442
>>87686395

>>87687733
>while std bombs.
That's the thing though. The first episode will premiere to big numbers. Then it disappears behind the paywall where no one ever discussed whatever system streaming sites use for "ratings" and the SJWs will get to screech about how successful STD was. Fuck this shit.

However, there is a work around. Voyager premiered to 25 million viewers and is generally viewed as bad Trek. Enterprise premiered to 15 million viewers and is generally viewed as even worse Trek. If STD isn't hitting 15 to 25 million for that premiere, it's dead comparatively.

>>87688612
>comparing 90s viewing numbers with 2010s viewing numbers

>>87688612
>Then it disappears behind the paywall

this is where it'll bomb regardless if it was good or not. the death sentence was set the moment they decided to attach it to their online service.

>>87688612
Are television shows in 2017 really expected to match ratings from 2001? Seems like television has a lot more competition now

>>87688733
Television gets lower ratings across the board. Though this competition also adds a chance of revenue.

Paywall viewers would be more valuable, but there probably won't be enough of them.

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>>87688733
It's a tactic to use against the inevitable deluge of pro-STD bullshit a la Fembusters.

>>87688714
Yeah, it won't get shit for viewers in the US on that service. The fact, however, that Netflix is basically paying for production of it mitigates any CBS risk though.

>>87681072
Happy to see Lethal Weapon was renewed. That show is way better than I ever expected it to be.

Not only did I enjoy it, I watched it twice.

>>87674513
This guy thinks a show is good or bad based on what he's told by critics instead of forming his own opinion.

How many brain cells are you rubbing together, guy?

All the ratings talk made me look up the ratings for The Orville premiere. It seems to have scored 8.6 million viewers. Is that good?

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>>87684921
It's probably all filled with weird ridges too.

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>>87688612
>Enterprise premiered to 15 million viewers and is generally viewed as even worse Trek

Many other factors were involved in the fact that Enterprise got "poor" ratings. DS9 and Voyager had already turned off the fans to Star Trek. Then Enterprise, which is actually the very best Star Trek ever produced, was released on UPN, where it was nearly overwhelmed with so many extended, annoying, hawking, commercial breaks,some of which appeared as "screen boogers" durring the show itself, that it made the show very difficult, if not impossible, to follow.

>>87684921
Can she swim really fast by queefing?

Critics must really, really hate MacFarlane for these reviews to make sense.

I can actually see this being successful. It's fun. Making the characters less stoic makes it feel more modern. Best new Star Trek in a decade-and-a-half.

Feels better realised than Abram's Star Trek, in part because they aren't ruining classic characters at the same time.

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>>87687826
You're totally right. I also would not bang.

>>87689256
This day it's pretty decent I think. It's a premier so it will inevitably lose some, but it seems like a decent cushion.

>>87688503
But what is that screenshot from? A CBS press release or some review thats unaffiliated with CBS? std is going to be shit but I'm not about to watch a Seth McFarlane comedy just to spite CBS.

>>87689256
>>87689398
It's got one of the highest premier viewerships in recent years, apparently.

>>87688612
>>87689341
Enterprise premiered HUGE.

It just sucked, so its ratings collapsed fast.

i watched it and it was fucking terrible

seth macfarlane is so desperate to be a recognizable face. it kills him that he can walk down the street and nobody recognizes him untill he does steweys voice

If this show really gets of the ground i can't wait to hear scott grimes and seth macfarlane in the inevitable musical episode two of the best singers on tv today imo.

>>87689256
Ignore total viewers. you want A18-49 numbers. It did 2.8 in A18-49, so 2.8% of adults aged 18-49 watched it.

That's a good start, even though it will be inflated by its football lead-in. It premiered better than any new broadcast show last year and it did significantly better than Son of Zorn, which aired in the same slot last year, even though it aired for an hour rather than 30 minutes, which gives people more of an opportunity to tune out after football.

A good start is a good thing - as it isn't DOA - but you'll have to wait a few weeks to find out if has any chance of getting renewed. High-concept shows like this tend to be easy to promote but people tune out after a few weeks.

You all realize that if this show keeps going that pretty much every Star Trek actor is going to get a cameo of some sort, right?

>>87689639
18-49s are the ones who spend the most money on the products being advertised during the show, or what? Are ratings further broken down into income brackets amongst that group? How does this work?

>>87689665
Seeing as how Ed gives me a Roger Wilco vibe, I want a Two Guys from Andromeda cameo

>>87687152
Neither can Seth.

>>87689483
Huge is a bit of an overstatement. You're right though that its ratings dropped like a rock. Trekkies saw it wasn't being faithful to canon and took a hike. This is exactly what's going to happen to Discovery.

>>87673650
its definitely nice to see a brighter, optimistic sci fi again in the pilot...it has potential, but the first episodes was about a 5.5-6/10 for me,itit nits not a cheap funny parody, its pretty sincere about the premise, but the jokes are put in at the wrong times...hopefully itll improve in the next couple episodes, im willing to give it 5-6 more episodes

>>87673589
It was alright, I hope it gets even better

>>87689807
Seth isn't the lead in a series with 50 years of history behind it.

>>87689626
kill me already

>>87673919
as long as he plays his role as the striaght man trying to redeem himself as captain and be as competent as possible, he should be fine...
the ex angle is annoying, they need to make it into a jerry/elaine type relationship, theyd be best

>>87689875
Enterprise managed to eke out some good episodes despite Scott Bakula, I'm willing to give STD the benefit of the doubt.

>>87683550
Fair use for parody

>>87689756
National primetime TV advertisers generally buy based on 18-49 ratings. The logic behind it is somewhat tortured and rationalised bullshit, but the rough idea is that they have spending power, are less likely to be fixed in their ways, and don't watch as much other forms of media so they're harder to reach (think: old people like news shows and Wheel of Fortune, people aged 18-49 people don't).

Nielsen, who generate the ratings, provides tons of demographic info broken down into income brackets etc. TV advertisers do pay more for richer viewers and younger viewers (e.g. Modern Family ad rates were higher than TBBT for a long time because they were richer and harder-to-reach younger viewers despite TBBT getting significantly more viewers total and in A18-49), but in practice the A18-49 figure is what's the most important.

That's why The Walking Dead makes a shitload of money. It gets crazy ratings from a ton of young people.

>>87688714
>STD bombs
>we're not paying for another Trek show because you didn't watch the last one! here's more blu-ray remasters

CBS wants this show to flop.

>>87673228
CBS just got wood.

>>87681920
yup, they're especially worthless as rating tv

>>87689665
For a moment I thought it was Brent Spiner doing the robot guys voice

>>87689483
>>87689808
ENT's ratings dropped to the same level of VOY viewership after its premier and it followed the same downward trend that started with DS9. People were just sick of Star Trek and UPN's meddling didn't help at all. UPN canceled the series because Star Trek is expensive to produce, UPN was going bankrupt and there was no way ENT was going to get back up to TNG level ratings. ENT was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

>>87684921
i dont know how the writing will work around her superstrength

>>87689912
Didn't the ex get him the captaincy because her dad was friends with the admiral? It's the entire basis for the show. The show is ok and it did enough for me to watch next week. STD behind a paywall is idiotic.

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>hey, a thread about that trek spoof show
>let's check it out
>CBS CBS CBS CBS CBS CBS CBS CBS CBS CBS CBS
>STD shills CBS CBS CBS
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>87690040
Same way it worked around Data's super everything.

>>87689912
I would actually like them to use the divorced couple's gimmick as a weapon against belligerents on a semi-regular basis. Start arguing back and forth in a tough situation then getting the aliens involved in the argument as a distraction, similar to the way it was done in the premiere.

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How does it compare?

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i honestly enjoyed this and i hope this guy makes lots of racist comments

>>87690109
this

>>87690100
Hyperdrive is one of the worst shows I've ever seen. This is miles better. And isn't really a comedy.

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>>87690133
>>87690100

superior

>>87690109
Yes, this character has potential. I also like the Worf-like guy as the comedic straight man.

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>>87690133
>a yahoo! original

>>87689955
That's the frustrating part about Orville. There's potential for a great sci-fi series but it has to be a parody to avoid lawsuits. They either have to dramatically rewrite the entire idea or fill it with jokes to get past "fair use", and they don't seem to have very many good jokes to work with.

>>87690039
The downward trend was virtually replicated across all of TV though. Shit, here we are in a thread where getting 7 or 8 million people to watch the premiere of your new show is somehow good. It wasn't that long ago that this many viewers would doom your show if that's all you got for a premiere.

>>87690204

It was actually really good though.

>>87689972
Thank you for those informative responses!

>>87690238
I mean, yes, but Enterprise's ratings dropped like a fucking rock which is why it was cancelled. The show haemorrhaged viewers in its first year, losing 2/3rds of its premiere audience, and then kept dropping further in subsequent years. That's why it was cancelled.

>>87690376
>I mean, yes, but Enterprise's ratings dropped like a fucking rock
Again, that's wrong. ENT's ratings literally continued the same downward pattern started by DS9. The premiers for DS9, VOY and ENT would spike and then the subsequent episodes would go back to the same downward trend. Star Trek, as a franchise, was rapidly losing viewership from the moment TNG ended. ENT got canceled because UPN wanted TNG level viewership and that wasn't going to happen.

>>87690520
No, that's not wrong. Paramount didn't expect TNG viewers, they just wanted a viable show on a reasonable budget.

Enterprise was getting lower ratings on UPN than their black sitcoms (Girlfriends, Half and Half etc), Everwood and 7th Heaven at many times the cost.

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>>87689626
>musical episode

>>87690739
>Enterprise was getting lower ratings on UPN than their black sitcoms (Girlfriends, Half and Half etc), Everwood and 7th Heaven
Source?

>>87690801
http://www.tvratingsguide.com/2017/08/2004-05-ratings-history-abc-builds.html

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I'm itching to watch the next few episodes... I guess no game of thrones tier mistakes with releasing episodes early and whatsnot

>>87690287
bs, it was terrible, its only decent if you skip through tons of the boring stuff, if you do wach it watch it for the ai babe

>>87689912
At the moment it's kinda like Cox and Jordan from scrubs, where they bicker at each other and are two sides of the same coin, but then they both get turned against a single target and bounce off eachother well tearing it a new one.
I dig it

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>>87690109
and he will get away with it too, since he isn't a white male

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>>87690133
>Creator:Paul Feig

>>87691002
His racism is actually speciesism, not what you're talking about. Did you not grok the show? You seem like you didn't grok the show, or maybe you're just CBS.

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>>87690962

Hey the AT&T girl is a hottie, and I heard she does anal.

>>87690873
All but three of those shows were in earlier seasons than Enterprise in the chart you linked to and literally all but five of them got canceled.

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>>87691046
let me correct my previous statement,
and he will get away with it too, since he isn't a white human male

>>87691049
>I heard she does anal.
didn't know Uzbekistan produced such women

>>87691049
>I heard she does anal
wut

>>87673228
I actually liked it, even though I expected to hate it...

It looks more like star trek than the actual new star trek show...

>>87691131
>I didn't grok the show

>>87691120
Look, whatever man. Believe what you want, but why would a network cancel a viable show?

Enterprise was expensive and its ratings sucked which leads to cancellation. UPN were getting similar ratings with repeats of America's Next Top Model at a fraction of the cost

>>87691302
>but why would a network cancel a viable show?
It wasn't viable and I never claimed it was, dumbass.

>>87686395
>seems to go nowhere frat-boy fast
seething GDI detected

>>87690133
This show is very good. It's a shame Yahoo! didn't promote it anywhere but on their own site. I only discovered it in a search for "s01e01" on Pirate Bay.

>>87690226
Are you implying that no one is ever again allowed to make a show about a starship without it being either Star Trek or a Star Trek parody? Could you really be that ignorant of copyright law?

>>87692391
You don't know ANYTHING about the law. This show is going to get sued out of existence and if you aren't careful you might be too.

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>>87687915
>Hating anime on an anime discussion forum

>>87691613
>>87691302
Gentlemen. We all agree the show was not making money and that's mostly why it was cancelled. Let's not eat our own like the filth that are Discovery apologists will do when it gets cancelled after one season and CBS claims it was always the plan for it to be an anthology show.

>>87690133
Surprisingly good, and not just for Milana in underwear.

>>87692633
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>87689381
You got a point, it's easier to show a goofy side when it's not Spock.

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>>87687826
>>87688301
Stole the words out of my mouth.

I had high hopes. Should have known ((((((((MacFarlane)))))))) would fuck it up with SJW gurl power shit though. Dropped hard.

>>87686411
It's a spiritual successor to star trek with a bit of a comedic bent. It's not meant to be a parody.

>>87687515
Not the worst list I've seen. Just switch Outlaw Star and Firefly and its solid.

>>87694687
I don't know, how similar is a spiritual successor supposed to be?

>>87694537
CBS, please stop embarrassing yourself.

>>87673228
honestly I love this show. It's optimistic and sincere in an age of gritty reboots. It's the Star Trek we should be getting, not more JJ Abrams lensflare bullshit. Macfarlane respects the source material so I have faith in him to make something good.

>>87694537
CBS shills on suicide watch.

>>87673228
I hate everyone on /tv/, they are honestly beneath my notice and all them have inferior taste compared to my own. No, in fact, I am convinced I am the only one here with taste. Each loss to /tv/ is a victory on my account, the only one that matters in this board. Do not even claim I am one of you plebeians, you plebeian.

>>87694687
>>87694844
Even if it not a parody, it no were near close enough to be a copyright violation.

>>87694537
What girl power?

>>87673228
I already like the characters a lot. I'm going to keep watching.

>>87678932
What does CBS mean by this?

http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/filename/just%20a%20typical%20-tv-%20poster.jpg/

>le racist robot.
>does nothing
he's never going to mock the black guy for eating watermelon on the bridge and shit.

>>87695617
>stronk independent woman is better than the captain in every way.
>could be the captain herself but chooses not to
>complete Mary Sue
>fucking cheats on her husband but he's the bad guy because she can't do anything wrong.

>>87695909
He's never going to be written by an underage /b/tard? No fucking shit.

>>87695909
The robot is speciesist, CBS.

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>>87695909
I think we need more race-reality in our entertainment. I'm really sick of only ever seeing it on the news, lol.

Jesus Christ. Seth has what, 4 shows currently running on Fox right now?

CBS please stop. You're going overboard.

>>87695983
your defending a show where they argue about not wanting to wear pants on the bridge faggot.

>>87673919
But he was good in Ted because it played to his strengths (comic voice acting)

>>87687826
mole =/= wart

>>87686621
What is wrong with these critics?

>>87696113
They disagree with desperate Fox shills on (((/tv/))))

>>87696113
They're extremely angry that it isn't Family Guy in space or Galaxy Quest. They can't handle the fact that it's unironically Star Trek.

>>87687068
Very true, that was the moment I decided to give this show a full season of my attention.

>>87689381

This. Its literally what ST shouldve been after DS9. This is DEFACTO the best Trek since DS9.

>>87687068
To be fair, though, the guy in Galaxy Quest wasn't supposed to be a real starship pilot. That was the whole point of that gag.

>>87695947
She didn't come up with the tree seed trick AFAIK , plus she is slaving away for the captain and will suck his balls dry if he asked because she knows what a cheating slut she is. She had an alien penis inside her after all.

>>87677334
Holy fucking shit that guy is Steve! I literally like his character 10x more now.

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>>87686621
Ha ha, so a few (((critics))) are coming out of the woodwork with not quite so harsh reviews now that the public has had a chance to see it?

This is what it was two days ago.

>>87696113
Not SJW enough compared to their presumed darling show STD? Nah, just fucking full of themselves.

>>87674540
Reddit likes Orville as well.

I think all the critics laying into the show either thought it'd be Galaxy Quest as a tv series or have completely forgotten how rough sci-fi pilots almost always are. Encounter at Farpoint sucked, and Babylon 5 is my favorite tv series of all time but I can't rewatch The Gathering without cringing.

I mean hell, even Stargate SG-1 had Carter doing the "Because I'm a woman!?" cringe.

>>87696650
I have a tough time getting past Soul Hunter on rewatches of B5. Orville, please don't erect a firewall.

I dont think I have ever disagreed with critics more in my life. This show was really fun, cant wait to see more.

>>87681329
I think the funniest bits in the show for me were "Can I have drinks on the bridge? The old captain let me have drinks on the bridge." and the whole building rapport scene between the helmsman and the navigator.

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>>87696176
>it's unironically Star Trek.
Literally the only two ways I could argue against this statement is by bringing up canon differences, and that the Orville seems to be mostly staffed by people who don't care about proper ethiquette as much as usually on Star Trek, and neither of those are valid.

Depending on how the rest of the series goes, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being a Star Trek flavoured version of pic related.
Which if you don't recognize instantly, is the best anime you've never seen.

>>87684921
Yes, but lot's not talk about the actress.

>>87687068
>Like when they launch the ship, no cheap gags recycled from Galaxy Quest about scraping the ship against the spacedock, no fumbling about at the controls,
I was too busy having a hard-on right then to notice. But yeah.

>if you scrap all the humour you literally have a serious love letter to Star Trek

HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

>>87686577
Apparently the third episode is about the 2nd officer (The single gendered species) having a baby.

CBS isn't doing a very good job of sabotaging this show.

>>87685074

alt-right is a fan of Orville? i thought Seth was super liberal.

alt-right is a stupid fucking term btw, stop being such a tool and quit using it

>>87696947
discovery is already dumpster fire that isn't even airing on normal tv outside the first episode or on american netflix.

>>87685192

BASED BLACK MAN

>>87689341
I was living in Austin when Enterprise happened, and they didn't have a local UPN channel. TW cable made a special deal to pipe in the UPN channel from its San Antonio market, where that particular station was still hard to receive.

So I got to watch about a season and a half by downloading from Usenet. At some point, chunks started missing, possibly due to (((media))) companies fucking with propagation, and this was before PAR2, so he couldn't just post more segments. From what I heard, the later seasons were better, but I had already cut the cord back then, and still haven't watched them. I also missed a good chunk of Voyager from this bullshit.

>screen boogers
Damn I hate that shit.

>>87697042
Longtime Star Trek fan here. Thought The Orville was amusing. Not sure that I even want to watch Discovery. Discovery just seems like TOTAL shit. There isn't anything about it that I want to watch. I might watch it just because it's called Star Trek but... idk

>>87683550
They kept things just different enough.
Union instead of federation
Quantam drive instead of warp
Etc.

Shows like Andromeda were far more of a direct rip off.

>>87687515
>voyager above space above and beyond

>show already has two best girls

How does he do it!!!???

>The Orville has Penny Johnson
MacFarlane has already won.

>>87686411
The holodeck bit was great. Far more realistic than muh Shakespeare in the park syle shit we got in TNG.

>>87687515
>DS9 on God tier instead of High tier
>Bab5 on High tier instead of God tier
>Exo Squad on Low tier instead of Mid Tier
>No Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers even though you have other cartoons from the same time period.
>Outlaw Star and Nadesico but no Vandread.

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>>87690171
fucking thank you, i was thinking about this the other day and for the life of me i couldn't remember its name

>>87697105
Parchive existed in 2001, not sure why you needed par2

>>87687660
Given that Limey Ward is coming back to Agents of Shield, I'm hoping they right her off soon so she goes back as well.
She did a nice thing getting him the captaincy, but shows zero remorse over cheating, and Ed forgiving her would ruin him as a character.

>>87681072
>that New Girl drop in viewers
oof

If he would take out the random jokes he could literally have the most fun Star Trek in 20 years.

>>87686621
Critics hate fun. Just remember that most critics are art school level of retarded and would grade some edgy canvas smeared in period blood better than a high quality realistic paintpainting because the former "pushed the bounderies" or some shit. All while all most people want is a cool painting to hang in their room.

>>87690040
She's still an affirmative action hire.

>>87689129
I just hope they tone down the suicidal angle this season. Maybe focusing on revenge will help it.

>>87690785
I can imagine some kind of "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" plot twist that requires the crew to go into musical numbers for diplomacy with the aliens of the week. It's even scary how well that could work. That's the kind of humor they seem to be shooting for, parodying the tropes.

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>>87690133
>jews in space

Any Alara porn already?

>>87697478
>>87689129
macgyver was also better than it had any right to be

even if they turned mac into a murderer

>>87690921
I'd like to have copies of the incomplete preview episodes (after watching the final version) just for completeness.

>>87691049
>This cutie.
>Getting wasted on what has become the third worst Marvel character.

>>87696032
>Oh noes the character made a joke. Space Operas are serious business.

>>87695947
>>stronk independent woman is better than the captain in every way.

You say that because of his one comment? Are you not familiar with the term 'better half'?

>>could be the captain herself but chooses not to
>>complete Mary Sue

You should look up the meaning of a Mary Sue.

>>fucking cheats on her husband but he's the bad guy because she can't do anything wrong.

No one in the show said he was, in fact they were quite sympathetic to him. She even said she was very much in the wrong. Does apologizing make her a Mary Sue?

>>87697335
DS9 is god tier though. It is undeniably the best Trek.

>>87697698
>I can't follow a reply chain halp.

>>87696840
>pic related
I still haven't figured out the point behind the spinoff. The only reason I haven't dropped Galaxy Tylor is because the episodes are five minutes long.

>>87696840
>ethiquette

Could you elaborate? I feel like if the cast of TNG had a few lazy days with nothing happening (think of all the time spent traveling) there would be plenty of slightly inappropriate bantz.

>>87697814
No, I was replying to you faggot.

>>87697383
I seem to recall that the difference was with par2 you could generate more segments later. Anyhow, enough parts mysteriously disappeared that it was not possible to assemble a complete episode.

>>87697453
Would be kinda funny to have her kick ass in combat and then screw up sometimes during normal day to day stuff.

One of my only problems with the show is it looks like they haven't sorted out the crew's duties in the scripts yet. She's Chief of Security but was hailing the other ship. I would think either the robot or #2 would handle that.

>>87697894
Would be cool to have an episode that was just them getting sent on a mission a long ways away and instead of cutting to the planet after a commercial break the entire episode is them travelling and coming up with ways to break the boredom.

>>87698113
Aren't those basically the hollodeck episodes?

>>87697962
I didn't know that copyrigt holders were sending subversive elements into p2p groups back then.

>>87698041
Only women can work the coms, is a rule.

>>87698271
This was Usenet, still a sekrit club no grills, but a well known sekrit club with protocols that could be subverted.

>>87685650
Please tell us what show half of the german population would be watching.