/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General

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take the red pill:
>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>extended pitch black scenes because of a lack of a competent cinematographer
>audio issues with microphone static left unaddressed because of poor sound design
>extremely poor editing with magically disappearing extras and production staff accidentally walking into frame
>somehow the best thing in tv history

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Room service.

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????????????

>there will never be a game where play as phillip jeffries between fwwm and s3
i know, i know, games aren't "art", but i don't know if i could think of something else i'd rather waste multiple hours on. i bet he was all over the zone. i wonder if he ever got back at the jumping man for shunting him through time

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>>87386358
How do I get in line to let Laura Palmer rape me?

>>87386396
Judy snatching Laura away.

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Please tell me at least this is a happy ending.

>>87386412
Whoa I actually like that.

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Judy is the House

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Friendly reminder that it's been confirmed that Eddie Vedder's Out of Sand proved Vedderposters right. (Pic is evil Cooper)
Listen https://youtu.be/pXth84G7dkM

>>87386416
that was evil dogie

>>87386416
It's not. Dougie still has a gambling problem and he's cheating on Janey-E. They will end up divorced.

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Do you think they had a threesome that day?

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>>87386461
lynch is a hack

>>87386366
*takes*

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>not only did Cooper ruin Laura's afterlife, he ruined Carrie's life too

Is there anything he can do right?

>>87386366
Fuck off OP.

>>87386390
does interacting with the Giant make you retarded?
is that why Andy is the one that could meet him and remember everything that happened?

>>87386412
Larua's an elk?

>>87386416
The only one you're gonna get.

>>87386480
More like Sheryl's face says she knows what Lynch is about to do to Moira to "induct" her to the Twin Peaks actresses club

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>>87386489
But Leland was the one who started it all, he was the reason for the first hobo invasion which took place in the past in episode 8

>>87386489
is it an epic statement on how reboots almost always retcon parts of the source material? is it? an epic statement? an epic statement on how reboots almost always retcon parts of the source material? epic?

>>87386478
Nah. Dougie v1.0 was made from part of doppelcoop and inherited some of his inherent badness. Dougie 2.0 is made from part of truecoop and thus inherits some of his inherent goodness.

>>87386403
LAURA. . . EASY ON THE CORN. . .

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>>87386398
That convenience store looked comfy as fuck

>>87386508
It's all you need. Lynch killed off the old cast anyway. Can't believe Bobby is a cuckold, again.

>>87386489
How exactly did he ruin Carrie's life? Looked like he got her away from some big trouble if anything with the dead dude in her apartment and the way she opened the door expecting someone presumably bad.

>>87386416
>retarded coop with no Lodge protection since they have no use for him

>>87386489
Carrie had a dude missing the back of his head on her couch, I doubt her life was all sunshine and roses before Coop strolled up to her door.

>>87386483
Fuck that movie was shit

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Did Mrs. Chalfont replace Sarah Palmer in her house in order to protect Laura from Sarah? That would make the ending fairly optimistic, then. Imagine how much worse it would have been if Sarah actually was there in her house, she invites Cooper and Carrie inside, then she takes off her face, smash cut to black.

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>>87386503
Why couldn't the Giant just speak in simply, plain terms and convey his message clearly?

>>87386552
i wanted to see more of that massive artdeco building in the mauve zone
those buildings outside the room above the convenience store were neat too

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BOB.. easy on the garmonbozia

>>87386588
Who is Sarah?

>>87386366
based hawk hater

>>87386478
That Dougie was made out of Cooper's hair. The real Dougie was alot fatter and retarded.

>>87386594
"IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN" was pretty clear

>>87386554
True, I suppose he showed enough to tie up their loose ends.

EXCEPT AUDREY

I just uploaded David Lynch's short film Industrial Soundscape here https://youtu.be/5xFt5gxowwo Thoughts?

>>87386366
Dubs confirm

>>87386390
One of the best character/supporting actors ever in the business.

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Why are you all so hung up on cliffhangers and trying to find meaning? Did you really not enjoy Season 3?
If you enjoyed it that's all that matters.

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>>87386461
Everybody compares Twin Peaks to Evangelion, but a better comparison would be Serial Experiments Lain, or Boogiepop Phantom.

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>>87386615
>gif
Stop posting this tumblr-tier garbage. Gifs are deprecated for webm, which is an actual video container as opposed to an image format.

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>>87386396
The two horns are the trees at glastonburry

the black eye is the motor oil portal

the other black dots are other portals (jack rabbit's palace, Hasting's coordinates). The hand reaching out is BOB's (pic related)

>>87386662
I enoyed the first 16 hours.

>>87386489
He fucks up literally every time he tries to save a woman, it happened with Maddy, Annie, Laura in FWWM, Laura in S3, and Carrie. Thank god he didn't get involved with Audrey, he would have gotten her killed too.

>>87386416
yes because that's the real coop. real coop sent a tulpa to find Laura which is why he acts so weird.

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>>87386659
>when minor characters used to mean something and were relevant to the plot or otherwise didn't take up excessive screentime with wasted plotlines that never resolve
What happened?

>>87386676
I've still never seen Lain, gimme a quickie to convince me to watch it

>>87386724
>>87386724
>>87386724
>>87386724
Actually something that would explain everything!

>>87386398
>Tfw no Lynch designed video game
It would be incredible

>>87386724
I think the reason Coop acts so much colder in Carrie's world is more likely because the joyful part of him was taken to make New Dougie.

>>87386740
It's some of the best anime has to offer. You have to be able to appreciate film, and art in general, to find value in it. If you watch capeshit, care about "fun" and cheap ideals of entertainment, then it isn't for you.

>>87386588
Yeah her power is to inhabit other people's houses as the faux owner in order to jog their memory about things that Laura whispers in their ear (like she did for Cooper in season 2). Also to give people the ring and paintings that bring you above the convenience store.

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>>87386712
You take that back. No one talks mean about my husbando, you got it?

>>87386682
I can't view webm's on my iphone though.

>>87386682
>tfw no scorched oil smell this season
>no one once utters the words black lodge
>no one says garmonbozia

Friendly reminder that the ending of FWWM is the true conclusion to the series, where Cooper finally managed to save / wake up Laura. The only issue is that they're trapped in the Lodge forever.

>>87386662
Nah, it should have been 9 episodes, I guess, it doesn't really matter if it exists or not, I guess that's Lynch's "dharma", because he like, meditates and stuff for ideas

>>87386507
Laura is the Muffin being lead through the Woods.

>>87386808
i she good or bad though?

>>87386758
it's a god damn shame. it'll never happen. imagine a lynch designed boss fight. halfway through fighting them both characters find themselves sitting across from each other in a room, or some other shit. i don't know because i'm not lynch
imagine macguffins as interesting as the ring or the blue box from mulholland drive

>>87386740
It's sort of like if Mark Frost wrote a cyberpunk story. There's an episode that brings up Majestic 12 and Vannevar Bush's involvement in the invention of the Internet.

>>87386646
I'm adding more of his short films to my channel on that link until they shut down my youtube channel. I just used the channel to troll with that Out of Sand link on the Vedderposts.

>>87386793
How about a brief premise or synopsis instead of justt stroking your dick?

>>87386822
Cooper talks about the black lodge heaps, and how he's supposed to "go back in". There wasn't scorched oil, but there were plenty of woodsmen. There was also plenty of cream corn (consumed by bad characters).

>>87386816
download VLC

>>87386816
You need to put your phone down and stop phoneposting. Also, why would you be retarded enough to own a device that doesn't have even basic features such as video viewing? Webm/vp8/9 has been a standard for years, even youtube serves webm. Don't use consumerist toys

>>87386850
What in the movie tells you they are trapped? They're really just hanging out there smiling at a strobe light. No one says they're trapped. People pull all this shit out of their fucking ass, I really think no one knows what the hell they're talking about when it comes to Twin Peaks.

>>87386816
Install VLC.

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>>87386537
>implying True Coop wasn't the one that went home to Janey E.

david lynch is a genius - who agrees?

>>87386896
>spoonfeeding
How about get some taste and discover art for yourself.

>>87386886
Sounds right up my alley, I'm a huge William Gibson fan

>>87386793
This on the other hand makes it sound like pretentious garbage for 13 year olds who think they're deep

>>87386922
They're not trapped forever, only for 25 years.

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>>87386944
Vedderchecked, dubs don't lie

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>>87386922
I prefer to remember things my own way, not necessarily the way they happened.

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>>87386907
>phoneposting
Lynch would strike you down. You're sick consumerist plebs

>>87386814
Your husbando ruined my waifu's existance, we're at a crossroads here amigo.

And once we cross it, we could be different.

>>87386898
Yeah, but no one ever says black lodge and the only time we see garmonbozia is when Mr. C throws up in his car.

>>87386937
>Dougie asks "Where am I?" with a grin and genuine wonder
>implying that happy, innocent man could possibly be the joyless detached shell we see in Carrie's timeline

>>87386822
>"I'm suppose to go back to a place they call the black lodge, but I'm not going"

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Why are you not meditating?!?! Lynch is the new king of it take a look here.

https://youtu.be/bI6mb5ZMh4c

>>87386955
Sadly the Lain fanbase is full of people like that but don't make them put you off from it

>>87386907
I have VLC but that still doesn't let you post webms from mobile

>>87387003
>Coop says "Damn fine coffee, hot too"
>implying that happy, innocent man could possibly be the joyless detached shell we see in Carrie's timeline

>>87387011
Rekt

>>87386937
>The scene where Dougie looks at Sony Jim and gets tears in his eyes
Coop just wanted a family all along.

In the scene where Diane asks, "Coop, is it really you?", I thought his eyes looked dark, like Doop's. Is the real Coop living in Las Vegas?

TFW I want to rewatch the original show, own the beautiful BR set but don't have a TV anymore. I tried plugging my PS3 on my 24inches PC monitor but I have no sound since I'm using speakers and I don't have any RCA cables/jack to plug it. I just don't want to download it even in 1080p since I own the goddam blu rays.

tin peaks is better than game of thrones, breaking bad, mad men

>>87386998
Postkino

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>>87386872
The closest we will ever get to something like this.

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>>87386358
They never answered my most pressing question...

>>87387002
Everyone who is familiar with the series knows what both of those things are from context. Why is it necessary for them to be constantly namedropped or displayed? Do your inner fangirl really need constant gratification like that?

>>87386955
Pretty much the same reason I've always avoided Lain over the years despite being interested. Same with Evangelion

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>>87386870
You can't get a meaningful answer to the question of whether someone is good or bad. I prefer to ask, "whose side is she on?"

>>87387047
>>87386781
apply yourself

>>87387082
that's some high fucking praise, is the game that good?

>>87386758
http://www.thecityofabsurdity.com/game.html
This was supposedly in the works (a game with woodsmen that abduct people in rocket ships fueled by logs). Although I feel like that concept was somewhat recycled in S3 (woodsmen living inside a travelling convenience store from the 50s)

>>87387094
The answer is obvious: Annie is okay and also no longer a part of The Return's timeline: "Norma has no family."

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Wait this Red Room isn't the Black Lodge itself, right? The midget says it's a waiting room. People just interchange the two terms, right? We haven't actually seen the Black Lodge?

>>87387056
Sonny Jim's blinking shows that the scene is reversed, black lodge fuckery going on and more lik Coop sad that Sonny Jim has something to do with it

>>87387018
He's still an FBI agent, and he knew she wasn't even a real person by that point. There's way better nitpicks.

>>87386955
What is pretentious about being able to appreciate art? Anyone asking for reasons to watch a given show or film, when they could find such information out for themselves within seconds, clearly cares more about their immediate entertainment than said work's artistic merits. It's sick consumerism.

>>87387191
Still would current Laura muh dik that shape...

>>87387253
this post is kino

>>87387191
It's like the purgatory they go to before going to the afterlife. Although officially Laura already went to the afterlife at the end of FWWM ( she was taken their by angels).

>>87387191
The room above the convenience store is most likely the closest thing to the Black Lodge we've seen so far. I personally doubt the actual Lodges are anything you could really "see".

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>>87386416
>...Home.
Maybe for that new Dougie but Janey-E and Sonny Jim are probably going to really miss that hour or two when they had a sentient charming husband/father.

>>87386366
so what? still like it

>>87387094
Annie died. The missing pieces show them trying to revive her. In S3, Hawk says she was a girl who went inside that bad place. Annie is dead or back wherever she came from.

David Lynch's short film "Bug Crawls" https://youtu.be/QV4iHZP0UbQ

>>87386758

I wish some horror game got him to do the art design. Doesn't even have to do any of the writing, just design some creatures and settings. Him working on a Silent Hill game is honestly one of my wet dreams. Maybe because that series owes quite a bit to him already.

Hell, the entire sequence with Mister C above the convenience store in episode 15 felt right out of Silent Hill.

>>87387291
NuDougie IS Cooper's charm. Why do you think Cooper is so blank after crossing "the border" with Diane?

>>87387358
No more talk about SH.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>87387331
Are these the same noises from the finale and the beginning of the series?

>>87387105

Serial Experiment Lain is terrible, and that's coming from someone who loves SF and has read / watched a lot of manga & anime looking for an SF "fix". It's like a cartoon version of a low budget Australian teen drama, right down to the music.

Neon Genesis Evangelion, on the other hand, is - now I've seen it in full - better than Twin Peaks: The Return. And that's coming from someone who loved (almost) every second of The Return.

>>87386366
your not entirely wrong i give you that

>>87387358
>Maybe because that series owes quite a bit to him already.

Like what? Alternate/Dream worlds? Lynch does horror sometimes, but not straight silent hill horror. Del Toro was the right guy for SH.

>>87386872
This is cringy as shit.

>>87387139
>literally the exact same argument
>not good enough
apply yourself

So what was the "zone" that Bill Hastings travelled to? Was it the convenience store? The red Room? The mauve sea / black & white castle? I don't think it was any of those?

>>87387379
I'm not satisfied with any explanation so far for that, but it was clear new Dougie was as braindead as always.

>>87387531
The exact same argument is better than what you presented, which was literally no argument at all.
Please try this time.

>>87387501
oh, is it cringy? are you cringing at my epic cringepost? are you cringing now? are you epicly cringing? are you epicly cringing yet?

>>87387571
Jack Rabbit's Palace. Didn't he see Brigg's head?

>>87387605
yeah

>>87387485

Silent Hill 4 was about a quiet guy called Henry who spent most of the game in his apartment, had a theme about birth and parenthood, prominently featured umbilical cords and the ambient noise in the other world consisted of sinister industrial noises.

Sound familiar?

>>87387628
cringe more bitchboy

>>87387666
nice trips

>>87387674
thanks they're cringetrips

>Billy
>Audrey
>Beverly
>Roadhouse folks
>Hasting's wife knowing Mr. C

>>87387585
They're the exact same argument, so they're the same, which means yours isn't an argument either. Try harder.

>Set up an interesting plot and interesting subplots for 16 hours
>give the main plot a shitty ending as a practical joke on capeshitters and modern audiences
>drop everything else
>LMAO none of it ever happened because of time travel
>IT'S SO DEEP AND INSIGHTFUL BECAUSE IT PLAYS WITH THE RULES OF NARRATIVE AND SUBVERCTS YOUR EXPECTATIONS PLEASE LYNCH LET ME DRINK MORE OF YOUR CUM AND EAT YOUR SHIT MMMMMMHHH
Modern art as a whole was a mistake, this show was the equivalent of putting your menstrual blood on paper and call it a painting

>>87387605
Well now I am.

>>87386366
So true

>>87387577

Episode 18 reminds me quite a bit of Inland Empire, both in mood and imagery. In Inland Empire, Laura Dern's character begins to take on aspects of the character she is playing, and then to re-live the life of the cursed woman the story was based on. I think that when Cooper enters the dark reality in which he is Richard, Diane is Linda, and Laura is Carrie Page, he begins to take on aspects of Richard, but is able to retain his memories and mission rather than ending up totally bamboozled like Laura.

which twin peaks character do you want to vore you

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>>87387666
Vedderchecking those satanic trips

>>87386921
Webm and vp codecs are owned by google and are hardly a standard. MP4/h.264 is a much more widely used standard that every browser supports, on desktop and mobile.

>>87387748
thanks that was just some cringekino of mine

>>87386890
>I was just trolling

I was wondering how Vedderfags would react.

Why is it that people assume Judy is the one who created the "alt dimension/dream world/whatever you want to call it at the end" when the Fireman is the one that gave Cooper clues about that place? Would he really be able to know much about a place Judy constructed?

>>87387739
You literally just copied my post and switched some wording. That's like claiming talking to a parrot is having a discussion.

>>87387742
Always remember.
There's one key difference between the person who looks at a piece of art and thinks, "I could have made that," and the artist:
The artist made something.

>>87387829
>vp codecs are owned by google
They're an open format.

>>87387424
The noise in Twin Peaks is similar, but more staccato.

>tfw you thought the vedder song didn't mean he was stuck as dougie, just that cooper becomes miserable
>cooper remembered all the horrible things mr c did and then lost all his loved ones
>he almost had a family, almost had diane, but it all slipped through his fingers
;_;

>>87387870
Yes, they're the same, and you thought mine was stupid. You played yourself fool.

I'm done rewatching S3. what a ride. AMA

>>87387870
You literally just switched some wording and copied my post. That's like talking to a parrot.

>>87387870
>That's like claiming talking to a parrot is having a discussion.
are you claiming it isn't? aren't there some really intelligent parrots? everybody that talks uses words other people came up with, anyway

>>87387853
>Judy's

there's a giant sign to spoonfeed it to the people that didn't get it sooner

>>87387940
why do you think we have any interest in what you have to say

>>87387577
Wrong. He clearly asks where he is when he's birthed in the Red Room. He's definitely not Cooper-level intellect, but he's sentient.

>>87387878
That's the oldest defence to any shitty piece of art ever made, LMAO AT LEAST HE MADE SOMETHING XD
I bet you think Piss Christ is a revolutionary piece of art as well, since it's also subversive. That's all it matters, right? A century of film was just faggots that could not understand that to make something good, all you need to do is shit on your audience

>>87387940
the dopplegangers all stopped existing because bob was destroyed, right? that's why the arm's doppleganger never came up again. not because of bad writing or anything

>>87387991
I think you completely mis-understood his post

He's talking about two different people. One who bitch on the internet like you, and ones who go out and actually create things.

>>87387907
The patents are owned by google and they could decide to change their mind and start charging for royalties at any point.

>>87387940
Can you leave and never return?

>>87387972
That doesn't really help an argument for it though considering it makes it totally obvious that's where Cooper needs to go. Would some evil being really hide something in that obvious of a place?

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>>87387666
Just let it go, dude.

>>87387991
piss christ is epic
and it pissed (lol) off some catholic fags so much they tried to destroy it, so it must be subversive on some level. i will give you this, piss mohammad would be significantly more epic

>>87386366
fpbp

>>87388030
if he doesn't love piss christ he's beyond hope

>>87388053
It wasn't hidden there, and it wasn't obvious

Coop's FBI/Lodge powers got him to Laura. He used his intuition and questioning of the right people to get himself there. He could also be getting help from the Fireman still.

>>87388030
Interior Semiotics was also made by somebody. Does it have intrinsic value because of that? Does Piss Christ? I can go take a shit right now if it makes you feel any better
Point is that being subversive just for the sake of being subversive takes no talent whatsoever and it's a spit in the face to those filmmakers who actually take their time to build up something and dedicated their lives to the art of filmmaking, anyone can pull a rug from underneath you and call it art

>>87388097
does that stand for something or is that a fart noise?

>>87386937
Why does Vedder look so much like BOB?

>>87386366
surprised there isn't a complain about product placement

you guys know it was a happy ending disguised as a bad one right?

>>87388098
even nuns love piss christ, if that one article I read is to be believed
one of them defended it from criticism by claiming it represented the dismissal of religion in today's world

>>87388121
stand for something

>>87387986
That's before he got out of the Red Room though. Coop was himself until his trip through the electrical socket fried his brain. Watch the home scene again, you're lying to yourself.

>>87388143
that's what i figure. they defeated judy, yeah?

>>87388120
Now you're mis-understanding MY Post

I'm not talking about art or it's value. I was specifically talking about your inability to grasp the concept of someone who is a viewer vs. someone who is a creator.

>>87388154
dougie?

>>87387577
>>87387986
When he was birthed he was a level-headed tulpa but when transferring to Las Vegas he became retarded.

>>87388170
They prevented Judy from getting to Laura.

>>87388156
You're talking about Cooper

The conversation is about the doppledougie that Cooper made in ep16

>>87388151
>even nuns love piss christ
funniest god damn thing i've seen written in these threads in a while

>>87388143

Got that feeling too. But why not be more open about it? Are Lynch and Frost ashamed of making something as pedestrian as a happy ending for their show?

>>87388170
They at the very least defeated her trap

she meant to force Cooper into becoming Richard, without remembering his life as Coop

but he stayed himself, and brought Laura back to her old self

>>87388216
same thing happened to Coop's new tulpa. Nudougie became retarded after leaving the red room in ep18

>>87388234
Lynch is all about good followed by evil

The most memorable one for me is the scene of Big ed and Norma reuniting, it's happy music and clouds, then hard cut to dark electric power lines and bad coop.

Episode 17 brings you up high, and 18 drops you down low

>>87388136
Watch for off or no product placement to see alternate dimensions.

>>87388105
>and it wasn't obvious
Laura working in a place called Judy's is pretty obvious

>Coop's FBI/Lodge powers got him to Laura.
What got him to Laura was noticing the place and just putting it together. It doesn't take FBI training or Lodge powers to do that. My thing is it's a little too easy for Dale Cooper, which makes me think Judy purposely wanted Cooper to find her, that is if she had anything to do with Laura's placement in the world

>>87388234
FWWM had a happy ending all things considered.

>>87388276
New Dougie is made from good, intelligent Coop

Old Dougie was made from evil Coop

Coop was the one that was retarded, Dougie was a normal ass guy with some bad habits (thanks to being made from bad Coop). So logically, this Dougie will be a much better person over all.

>>87388143

No, and neither do you. Saying it's happy is speculation at best. When Lynch does ahappy ending it FEELS happy, like the end of Inland Empire when the woman watching rabbits on TV weeps with joy and we see a bunch of Lynch weirdos and prostitutes having a party while a dude saws a log and upbeat jazz plays. The mood of episode 18 was monumentally bleak. Now you could argue that it's because the hero and the damsel in distress are deep in the evil realm which IS bleak, and like some say, you could argue the lights going out in the fake (?) Palmer House mean the illusion is being shattered by Laura getting her memories back, etc, but that's conjecture and the post-credits shot is extremely emotionally down as well.

>>87388143
That's what I think.

>I'm trying to kill two birds with one stone

He's saving Laura and defeating Judy at the same time.

>>87388333
triples!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>87388321
he was initially but became retarded like real coop when he left the red room. "Where am I?" shows he's not the scumbag real dougie was but "Home" proves he became retarded right after leaving

>>87388321
and when that tulpa dies/expires, cooper will remember having a loving family
i guess it really is a sort of happy ending, huh?

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I seriously can't cope with the idea that for all the good he did it all meant jackshit in the end and all of his love and kindness was rewarded with
>him being trapped in another hell world
>losing yet another woman he loved in an even more painful way than if she had just died
>failing to save Laura
>possibly losing his identity for good, wiping out Dale Cooper for good
It's actually ruining the finale for me, because while it is undoubtedly a kino ending, it's just too fucking cruel and actually makes the episode unpleasant to watch, especially compared to the previous triumphant, cheerful tones of the previous ones. Cooper didn't deserve this.

>>87388277
>comparing a scene to a whole episode
Bullshit.

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>mfw there will never be a sequel
>mfw everything is canonically retconned now and cooper is a broken failure who lived in his dreams

>>87388367
How the fuck does saying "home" make him a retard? Because he didn't say "I'm home"?

Going by your logic, retard Dougie shouldnt even know how to use the doorbell (or knock, can't remember which one)

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>>87387148
Its definitely worth playing through if you like games at all. I can't tell you how you'll feel about it.

Here's IGNs review from back in the day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5uI_J-5woc

>>87388170
I didn't get that impression at all. At the very least I do think they dealt Judy a huge blow, but not enough to defeat her. There's a tiny sliver of hope here but it's hard to see.

>>87388416
his commitment to justice continues to destroy any hope of happiness in his personal life
i do think coop won, though, he didn't fail

So, I'm taking it that the Fireman knew that Judy was in Sarah considering when he swiped the theater screen, there was a view of the Palmer house, like he had been watching it.

>>87388356
reddit!!!!!!!

>>87388506
so what nigger

>>87388417
What? I'm explaining David's style. I'm comparing his style...to his style.

There's many many scenes and instances of him doing this exact thing.

>>87388482
his facial expressions/smile are obviously dumb dougie

>>87388529
His ability to use technology is obviously not dumb dougie

The "dumb dougie" you're thinking of is actually Cooper coming out of a 25 year long mental absence from reality.

>>87388416
It's called Transcendence. Coop isn't always going to season one Coop forever. Especially if he's a spiritual being and his human emotions are no longer needed or lost on other spiritual beings.

Rewatched the pilot
>That music
>That engaging but still unfurling tone
>That 35mm
>That color correction
>Everyone is happy and young and attractive
>Actually emotional, actually funny, actually scary
>Cooper is naive and idealistic but still a very moral man

Compared to the finale
>Gross digital look
>Shit tier soundtrack
>Cooper is miserable and loses, unpleasant to watch
>True Detective Season 2 tier pacing issues
>DUDE IT WAS ALL FOR NOTHING LMAO

What the fuck happened?

>>87388607
you got LYNCHED happened.ahahahaha.

>>87388587
If he had transcended to a Lodge spirit, that would actually be the best possible end for him, but there's nothing to suggest that he did.

He failed, he knows it, and now all that's left is a shell of a man whose sense of self is possibly going to be supplanted by a wife beater or whatever the fuck Richard is implied to be. It would be better if he had just stayed in the fucking Lodge for good.

>>87388607
Don't forget the beautiful set design and production, compared to the intentionally ugly new season.

>>87388607
The characters grew up and the world they live in changed for the worse.

>>87388653
>intentionally
face the truth.

>>87388648
>walking through the red room with purpose
>hand swirling motion to affect the curtains
>hears MIKE speak forward instead of backward

>>87388587
should i pour all my money into transcendental meditation so i can transcend too

>>87388607
TD S2 is kino

>>87388607
>>Shit tier soundtrack
Dean Hurley's work is great on this series, and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. Say what you want about the roadhouse performances, but Dean's ambient music is unnerving as fuck. And that last track during the credits, which I'd bet money was made by him, puts a chill down my spine

>>87388581
it's heavily implied that this new tulpa is the mind/experience of incapacitated Cooper. A copy of the Cooper we saw on episodes 3-15

>>87388524
So sometimes? it's inconsistent and therefore untrue. Does a whole good movie after a depressing one?

What you are thinking of is variety, comic relief or juxtaposition. And EVERYBODY does it.

>>87388416
I have a theory that Lynch's new hateboner for Coop is his way of expressing his bitterness and anger to all the Coopfags who were pissed about FWWM and slammed it because it didn't continue his story. I am 100% sure now that all the haters are looking at that movie now and WISHING that was the kind of ending we got for Coop; at least he looks somewhat happy being with Laura.

Or maybe I'm wrong and Lynch just hates Cooper now for no reason. It happened with Audrey, and from what I recall, he used to love her character too.

>>87388725
What exactly did Angelo do on this new season?

>>87388672
Lynch always intentionally uses vintage aesthetics - music, fashion, sets, etc.

The Return takes the time to show ugly 00's fashion and big computers. It's a criticism of modern television

>>87388762
>being this delusional

>>87388745
Lynch isn't an hateful person
He doesn't operate on hate

>>87388729
It's a copy of the Cooper we saw wake up as himself. He plucked out his hair and told MIKE to make a new Dougie

>>87388742
I can't tell if you're trolling. It's pretty clear, so I dunno how else to explain it. Lynch loves contrasting light/dark, happy/sad, beautiful/terrifying. it's in ALL of his work. Not just TP, not just movies.

>>87388686
Then why does he look so helpless and horrified in the last few minutes of the episode? By your theory, he should have immediately recognized Alice Tremond as a Lodge spirit, exposed her, and started setting things right. He should be able to see through everything and have no trouble returning to the old world.

>>87388607
>Cooper is naive

Yeah right. He shows those hicks he does it downtown. Eccentric and rougish, but not naive.

>>87388756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kv0gvFWgSs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBZYRl90bos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id75c8HGAxw

and the one that plays when the kid gets hid by Richard's truck
and I think there may be a few more

>>87388807
Except people who think they've seen a film on their FUCKING telephone

>>87388830
When he switched places with Richard, he took on parts of that reality's Coop. Kyle confirmed in an interview he was told to play Richard as "harder" than Coop. He's struggling to keep his identity as Coop. He's stuck in an unfamiliar world not under his control. At the end he is confused because he's unable to do the curtain thing or find a portal. He reaches out his hand in a searching motion. That's when he asks what year it is, when he's uncertain of the reality he's in.

>>87388876
Wait, Kyle confirmed the Richard theory? That's big news if true.

>>87388876
link to article?

>>87388876
I don't think he hates people who do it as much as the idea itself of watching films on such a tiny screen. I myself don't understand how you could watch anything other than a short youtube clip on your phone.

>>87386366
Is he serious or just baiting? Haven't watched it yet.

>>87388917
>>87388923

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/twin-peaks-kyle-maclachlan-finale-1202547022/

He was… different. The way it was described to me, he’s just a little harder. So it was another variation, sort of a subtle variation obviously, compared to the other two, but a subtle variation of Cooper. And so that was that last hour, Watching him navigate that.

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>>87388830
Coop doesn't know about the Tremonds/Chalfonts. It was Chet Desmond who encountered them.

>>87388953
Well too bad, your post said "hateful person" and he clearly hates watching movies on your phone

>>87388607
The 90's are over my man. Life will never be comfy again. The change in tone just reflects our reality.

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>Laura disappearing in the lodge in part 2 is the result of Cooper going back and interfering with her in 1989

>>87388981
The point is, if he's a Lodge spirit now, he would know.

>>87388482
>>87388321
You weren't paying enough attention. You can see the blank Dougie stare in his face, and he only seems capable of single word sentences again. Leave your wishful head canon behind and watch the scene.

>>87389037
But isn't the lodge supposed to transcend all these dream realities or whatever they are?

>>87386366
What else is to say here than dubs confirm. dead-on.

>>87387790
He gave off some bad Coop vibes though. It was the strongest when he and Diane were having sex, he was just staring straight up lifelessly.

>>87389083
He used a fucking doorbell

that's something a retard with one word sentences wouldn't be able to understand

leave your wishful head canon behind and join the rest of us in reality

>>87388820
Look. Light and dark imagery is presented in thousands of movies, be it lighting or mood. He's good at, but not the only person who does this.

So one scene is dark and the next light? Right? OK you said, one episode is light and the next is dark? Which is it episode or scene? Transitioning to a lighter or darker scene and tone is something everyone does. Not just Lynch.

>>87388964
This gets posted in every fucking thread - its got to be ironic at this point. This guy is here more than the jumping man poster

>>87386358
Who did Doppelcoop call after he killed Darya?

>>87388964
Since everything he said is correct, probably serious. Doesn't mind baiting people who disagree I guess. I wouldn't bother with it if I were you.

>>87389083
I can see the blank Dougie stare in original Coop, especially in ep 18.

>>87389124
>everyone does it

What the fuck is your argument? I'm explaining to you Lynch's style, not everyone else's. This is something he loves doing constantly, and is in a lot of his work.

>>87389158
>>87389167
Thanks, lol. Now what do I make of that?

>>87388807
CBS ruined Twin Peaks for David Lynch. They made him reveal the mystery he never wanted revealed and it caused him to basically leave the show outside of doing his performance as Gordon. He came back for the finale and basically shit all over everything they wrote after Leland's death; he killed Windom Earle, Cooper wasn't allowed to give up his soul to save Annie, some nothing character that was inserted to appease Laura Flynn Boyle because she didn't like Sherilyn Fenn, then ended it with Cooper trapped in hell while his doppleganger went around and caused ass sorts of havoc.

Then he got to make his movie, how he wanted and people shit all over it because it wasn't le coffee and pie bullshit, so he just dropped it for good until Frost called him up a few years ago. I don't think Lynch really cares for Twin Peaks all that much anymore, he only came back because it gave him a vehicle to try new things and be creative. He doesn't really care about giving Cooper and Laura happy endings.

>>87389124
Also I'm not just talking about Light/Dark

I'm talking about opposites, contrasts. Beautiful blue roses on a white picket fence, and then worms crawling in the dirt. Happy suburban 50's life, followed by grimy underground drug empires.

>>87389120
I see no problem with retard Dougie pressing a doorbell. Actually look at his face next time. Actually process him saying nothing but
>Home :^)

>>87389164
Ray.

>>87389201
He's serious.

>>87389212
I agree with everything except this:

> I don't think Lynch really cares for Twin Peaks all that much anymore, he only came back because it gave him a vehicle to try new things and be creative. He doesn't really care about giving Cooper and Laura happy endings.

There's interviews where he shows real love for Twin peaks and the characters. He talks about enjoying jumping into that world and figuring out the character's lives.

>>87389212
>I don't think Lynch really cares for Twin Peaks all that much anymore, he only came back because it gave him a vehicle to try new things and be creative
People need to stop spreading this meme around. Lynch has never given the impression that he hates Twin Peaks. Maybe he hated the behind the scenes drama and the reception FWWM had, but that doesn't mean he hates the idea, the characters or the world.

>>87389232
If he's a retard, how can he operate and understand a doorbell while not understanding how to urinate?

>>87389212
It's not really about a happy ending for me, he didn't want it to end period, as per episode 17 twin peaks has been pretty much erased completely since Laura never died and Cooper never came to Twin Peaks to investigate it, then he moves on to a different mistery box he has no way of solving
It's an even bigger fuck you than just giving it a bad ending, especially considering how he shot 16 hours of red herrings that were ultimately pointless and went nowhere

>>87387291
Dougie can talk now, he says "what's happening to me?" with genuine expression in the red room

>>87389201
He's serious but he's wrongIMO.

>>87389337
The idiot you're replying to thinks he became retarded when he left the red room, but not too retarded to remember how to use a doorbell

>>87389083
What you hear has just as much validity as what you don't hear. He might have been quoting Shakespeare seconds after, we don't know though. It cut away.

>>87388981
Didn't Donna tell Coop about Tremonds/Chalfonts in S2?

>>87389343
So watch? Not watch?

>>87389212
>They made him reveal the mystery he never wanted revealed
Honestly, this would have never worked. There's only so long you can keep that mystery unsolved. What did he want to happen? Did he want to have Cooper and the rest of the sheriff's department gradually forget about it and instead take a bigger interest in Ben and Catherine's wacky Ghostwood shenanigans? Or Josie's dumb shit? Or whatever teen drama James and co were getting up to?

For the type of show he was making at the time, Laura's killer would have had to have been found eventually.

>>87387002
plus mr c tells darya "i'm supposed to go into a place called the black lodge," so even that nothing of a complaint is answered

>>87388482
MIKE rang the doorbell for him and ran away before they opened the door.

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>>87386682
>getting this mad over a compact media format

Jow De

>>87389224
Yeah him and George Lucas share the same style.

>>87389328
>erased completely

It lives on, healthy and vibrant minus the Garmonbozia factory that was Laura Palmer's death

One thing that was forgotten about was the second trip to Jack Rabbit's palace
Why did Garland make note of two trips, when the second didn't happen? So much for Briggs "seeing all this"

>>87388981
>>87389388
Donna took Cooper to Mrs. Tremond's house in season 2, but the old lady and her grandson weren't there anymore and the person living there had no recollection of them, sort of similar to the end of episode 18. Then the lady living there(also named Tremond) gave Donna a letter, which was a page from Laura's diary about her dream of the red room, the same dream Cooper had.

>>87389388
Found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db9to1uazmU

Turns out regular Coop isn't much smarter than Dougie

>>87389421
Just give it a try. Decide for yourself

>>87389516
It's like poetry, it rhymes

>>87389524
Bad Coop went there

>>87389428
It was always Bob, but I don't think he wanted it manifested on someone like how they ultimately made it Leland. He wanted his paranormal shit to keep Cooper's attention while the Twin Peaks shenanigans went on in the background.

>>87389534
So heard that last name before. So what? What's the argument here. What's the significance?

He should have told the lady "wait... I've heard your last name before. Welp, good night"

>>87389554
Why did they need to know that? Leaving a separate date makes it seem like they need to go back there at that date

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Why is this .Webm so terrifying?

>>87389523
I appreciate how they didn't show the new Twin Peaks and left it up to your immagination, but still it's a matter of fact that nothing from s01e01 to s03e16 never happened. Everyone may be better off (or not) but it might as well be another town since it's not the twin peaks we came to know.
I accept that's what he wanted to do but it's not really for me, I don't like do-over endings

>>87388830
He did recognize the Tremond/Chalfont names, but he didn't know what to do. He was beaten until Laura 'woke up.'

>>87389603
It was when Naido gets chucked out into their world

they had to be there to retrieve her

>>87389624
*ever happened

>>87389600
Are you serious? In that scene he learned that the name Tremond is connected to some lodge shenanigans, ho could've made the connection.

>>87389624
>I accept that's what he wanted to do but it's not really for me, I don't like do-over endings
HAHA L Y N C H E D
No but seriously man, I feel the same way. Sucks that you can't say that around here without jumping through hoops to prove your loyalty to Lynch though.

>>87389673
All he knew was the Donna's story didn't fit correctly

It's just a last name to him

>>87386366
top kek, too fucking accurate. lynchedfags are eternally btfo

>>87388981
however, cooper heard both names from hds when following up.

>>87389624
>but still it's a matter of fact that nothing from s01e01 to s03e16 never happened

No it's not. That timeline is just a parallel universe. When Cooper saved Laura in the past it created a separate universe where she's alive, it didn't rewrite the previous timeline.

>>87389523

25 years of life get erased. Probably there were children and young adults born in that timeline that wouldn't have been born if Laura Palmer didn't die (and not just Richard Horne). What happens to them? Non-existence?

Fucking HATE time travel, I can understand why the Chinese government banned it. This is almost like the final season of LOST.

I'm starting to be convinced by the "Laura was trapped in a dream which Cooper entered to save her and she wakes up at the end" theory

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>>87389632
I know about the first date, but I'm talking about the second. It made it seem like they had to go back to Jack Rabbit's Palace. And it didn't really look like a warning for them to be on alert for Mr. C on that date because it's too vague to be a warning.

>>87389749
>it didn't rewrite the previous timeline.

I think it did. They show Laura's body on the shore, and then it CGI's into nothing. If it was a separate universe, we would just see an empty shore. Instead we get a literal visual explanation of erasing.

>>87389777

Holy fuck, the dead guy in her living room is really the guy that Bobby killed.

That's why there's a fucking dead guy in her room, because Laura in 1989 just witnessed Bobby kill a guy which she feels guilty about, so he's there in her dream in Odessa and she wants to get away.

>>87389749
How do you know? The Carrie Page universe is a completely different world entirely considering that it clearly deviated before 1989.
But I guess the existance of another world is enough to confirm that parallel timelines are a thing in the Dreamscape and thus that the original didn't get erased? It makes sense, but by that point we might as well have gotten some resolution on Shelley, Bobby and Audrey instead of dropping them entirely

>>87389627
Somebody said that Richard Coop gives less fucks and we get the cowboy scene. If he really was going for broke, he would have barged into the house if it was really that important. And maybe see who is feeding that woman the answers.

>oh
>she don't know
>so I don't know
>derp
*lights out*

>>87389756
Children like Richard
Horne or the gooey boy in the screaming lady's car

Anyone else like FWWM more than the return? Not saying the return's bad (I really enjoyed it), but FWWM has a different, more "magical realist" tone to it, if you get my meaning. It feels weird and dreamlike, but it also feels more grounded in reality. I think that's partly because of the effects (everything is done via practical effects / cross fades, rather than CGI / stop motion), but also because of the music.

I think that's mainly because the Return embraces showing the big picture in the surrealist / supernatural (semi-explaining the lore, showing the ocean / void, showing tons of different supernatural places that are connected, showing an alternate timeline). As for events in the real world, they are shown more subjectively (subplots are cut off / discontinued, some stuff is clearly meant to be parody, etc).

Meanwhile in FWWM we see more of the real world and the characters who inhabit it, and more cryptic snapshots of the spirit world. It introduces the convenience store, but that's it. We also see characters behave more realistically around supernatural stuff.

In the Return, nobody freaks out / gets weirded out by supernatural events. I can understand Cooper and the FBI (and Hawk to an extent) being familiar with it, but the other characters don't react to it realistically. Maybe that was the point, though.

>>87389749

That's pure conjecture. If anything, the repeated references to "living in a dream" and Cooper's face superimposed over the screen suggest the timeline where Laura died was un-made by Cooper travelling in time. So the only proof that it ever happened is in Cooper's own head, hence "living in a dream".... Someone else's memory of a cancelled-out timeline.

>>87389799
hmm

>>87389682
Were all anon. Just be 12 year old fan boy next thread.

>>87389516
if you can't make out by now that it's the extraordinary combination of intensity and subtlety with which lynch achieves this effect of contrasts that marks his style, i don't really know what to say.

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>>87386552
>even chuck's ain't chuck's anymore in-show
dudn't get any bluer f a m

>>87389823
I'm also only realizing JUST NOW of the Son becoming the Father / Father becoming the Son weirdness of Richard Horn / Dopplecoop vs Richard and Linda / Dale and Diane

>>87386712
The message is that women just can't be saved.

>>87389793
Nope.

>>87389837

yeah it's way better

>>87389697
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnOecWIJw9c

Throw this in to the mix. Now he knows 2 names that are connected to the lodge, both mentioned by the house owner at the end.

>>87389878
Very compelling counter argument. Also your points are well reasoned, I appreciate the response. Also I accept your defeat.

>>87389799
She's Carrie, but he's still Bobby? Yeah, nah.

Bobby killed Jean Renault's brother with Mike.

>>87389857
Fuck off.

>>87388607
>The revival was so bad that it killed both Albert AND The Log Lady

>>87389926

What?

I'm talking about the deputy from Dear Meadow who Bobby shoots at the end of FWWM right before S3 Cooper intervenes and "saves" Laura.

Laura is Carrie Page in her dream just like Diane Selwyn is Betty Elms in her dream.

>>87389900
Sorry anon. I meant to type Nice.

So, I guess I have to rewatch the show to try and figure out which scenes are set in OT (original timeline where Laura died) and NT (new timeline where Laura did not die). Although I kind of can't be bothered now. At least in LOST the purgatory/alternate timeline "flash sideways" scenes could be argued to provide some insight into the characters inner wishes, but none of the characters, old or new, in Twin Peaks, are developed enough to be worthwhile.

Shit, I really enjoyed watching The Return, but fucking time travel, man. Fuck.

>>87389997
really? That sounds plausible especially if you're a phone poster

but you could just be someone fucking with me also

>>87389967
Oh yeah. Was the deputy not Renault's bro. But my point still stands.

>>87389967
That wasn't the deputy from deer medow, the actors just happened to look alike but they were two different people

>>87390008
oh shit, I bet all the scenes with Ed and Norma are set in the new timeline. Shelley calls her daughter to get a piece of pie with her, then bobby shows up and shelley isn't there at all. I guess Dougie playing baseball with Sonny Jim is also in the new timeline. Nadine probably watches Jacobi in both timelines since they show that twice.
Nice catch, I can't believe I didn't realize what was going on, I am retarded

>>87389837
I like FWWM more than the vast majority of the televised series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgwtjVJmHtI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQtm1eznrtU

>>87389967
The shooting is in missing parts and before Cooper shows up. Laura is killed that night.

>>87390030

no you're fucking wrong as fuck

>>87390080

but Cooper changed the timeline by saving her

>>87390024
It is. I'm a very negative person and nice autocorrected to nope. Have a bad day.

>>87390103
literally two different actors m8
the guy bobby killed was just a random drug dealer

>>87390112
You tried to be nice and look what happened. Let that be a lesson

Seriously though I appreciate you and I think you're a good person. Have a good day.

>>87390103
Up to that point he did. Unless he unbirthed her, that doesn't make sense.

>>87390135
Good day corrected to bad day.

>>87390120

it's the same guy

>>87390064

>Nadine probably watches Jacobi in both timelines

That's a good one.

Anything with Richard H. is OT... I wonder, is Audrey happy and sane in the new timeline?

Any scenes with Richard Horne must be OT.

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>>87390120

>>87390205
At this point I believe that Audrey has been dreaming about the new timeline while in the old one, which is why the Arm repeats the phrase she said within the dream

>>87390205
What if Laura's death affected Jacobi and sent him down the bullshit /x/ tier life?

>>87387742
>wanting a plot resolved because art is escapism for you
I'm lmaoing at your life dude

>>87390267
The guy in Carrie's house was shot in the head, so you're not really proving much.

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what is his endgame

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>>87390498
So was the dealer/Cliff, although from the other way around.

I'm not convinced that the guy in the Carrie's room is supposed to be him though, I was just pointing out the dealer is Cliff.

>>87390278

That makes a lot of sense. Well, it doesn't make any fucking sense, but it seems like a valid possibility for this show.

What the fuck happened to Audrey?

>>87390564
The entire dialogue is so fucked. Lucy repeats the lines "Which one?" and "It could make a difference" twice, while the insurance guy doesn't respond to any of her questions but just says disconnected lines, while repeating the "I'd like to see Sherrif Truman" line further in the conversation.

>>87390574
The Coop I know said "I am the FBI". The Coop in Odessa doesn't give a shit about the dead guy, or who murdered him.

>>87390564

Do you think Frank is sheriff Truman in one timeline and Harry is sheriff Truman in the other?

Is that why Harry got cancer? exposure to lodge radiation in owl cave or something?

Black fire? There are a lot of cancer patients in twin peaks...

>>87390672

Timelines

I hate to say it, but there really just isn't enough meat on the bones in this series. Feels like there's too much fat. I think Lynch and Frost went overboard on vagueness, it almost feels like they've done it in a mocking way.

A real plot twist to the series woul've been Lynch just ending the series normally.

>>87390726
yeah since you mention it what the fuck was with ashley judd's character's husband

So what was the deal with the zombie kid?

>tfw it's now confirmed that there will never be audrey x copper
Wtf lynch

>>87390828
To show the results of Cooper's absence / BOB running amok / Lodges seeping into the real world. The world is growing darker, the Lodge is able to affect reality without the need for hosts like Leland. Even if BOB is destroyed, the world is still too corrupted by Judy and the Lodge at this point.

>>87390828
she was sick

>>87390828
Symptom of a world falling apart

>>87390722
Because it wasn't relevant at all at that point. Coop was trying to get Carrie/Laura to Twin Peaks, why bother with a random dead guy, it's not part of the mission.