/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General:

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take the red pill:
>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>bad acting (Bell, Lynch, Horse, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>storylines and characters are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>shot in digital in a way that doesn't compensate for the technology's disadvantages (looks bad)
>roadhouse scenes (out of place, badly shot, the songs, the bands, the extras, ...)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems (coherent/complex and beautiful sets, costumes and make-up/well shot/well acted/well written/magnificent multi-dimensional characters and character relations, music, storylines and gimmicks/creates a unique athmosphere as a result, changing the world of television forever whereas "the return" neither manages to do something established really good nor to invent something new)
>extended pitch black scenes because of a lack of a competent cinematographer
>audio issues with microphone static left unaddressed because of poor sound design
>extremely poor editing with magically disappearing extras and production staff accidentally walking into frame
>somehow the best thing in tv history

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croatia leaked season 4, real

>>87384307
swallow it

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Thready reminder that there will be no season 4.

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Guys what if the Bob sphere shattered into many fragments of Bob like Manus in Dark Souls? is it possible?

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Look at how fantastic the original film looks; it's charming, and has plenty of depth. Then the next, they have to filter and crop it to match the cancer 16:9 digital, and it loses any original semblance and looks terrible - even the clouds are muddled to nothing! But then the digital itself looks even worst, like spew. Defend this.

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Reminder that due to the events of episode 18 they never met and therefore never formed a friendship. Harry likely came into existence in a new reality with a new name and identity and with no recollection of Coop having ever existed.

They were never bros ;_;

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What happened to Laura's mom?

>>87384397
>he can't take the superior digital aesthetic
I bet you think Inland Empire is the worst film of all time

>>87384413
harry doesnt even exit

>>87384391
>everything wrapped up in a novel because thered never be enough money for the visuals to do it right on film
Im okay

>>87384307
The Return manages to accomplish one thing: the absolute dread of realizing your past is behind you. You are not the same as you were when you were younger. People get cancer. There's a new sheriff in town. The younger generation is taking over. You're going to get dementia and no one will care. Laura Palmer is literally not Laura Palmer anymore.

The waking world is always but a dream when the REAL world of the lodges, The Zone, and more are the constant. Time is meaningless, and events themselves are but a figment, like a dream. They get rewritten by those with access to the higher dimensions, those who can interfere with the "timeline" as it were. They were all but a dream.

If Gordon Cole can remember the unofficial story (and has likely spoke to Jeffries, knows his fate) then he has also accessed these higher dimensions like Cooper and Laura and therefore his earpieces have always been key.

Guys what if we're all actually in a dream?

>>87384397
Digital a shit

>>87384397
The overexposed look was a conscious decision I'm pretty sure. The top image is the same exact digital transfer, without the weird color grading.

>>87384391
Threadly reminder that Eddie Vedder confirmed he will direct season 4 of Twin Peaks

>>87384397
Top - natural world
Bottom - fabricated (digital) altered world

>>87384435
>superior
>when it looks worst than 30 year old film
"Digital" is cancer - it exists solely because it's cheap and convenient, which again adds to its cheapness to shoot on. Even the best current day digital looks worst than 16mm film transfers from film shot 60 years ago - an embarrassment. You must be a millenial twerp to think otherwise.

How would you feel if we never get a new season and get a Dougie spinoff instead?

I've just been Lynched. How will I ever recover after being a hater of Twin Peaks for so long?

My season ranking 3 > > > > > 1 >>>>2,fwwm

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THICC LIL MAMA

>>87384460
Mrs. Tremond be casting the "wake up" spell on Laura since she got listen-to-the-soundsed hard and became Carrie Paige in the altered reality, having lost the first 17+ years of her life to Judy's hex presumably. A new "dream", a new reality because of time interference. Twin Peaks is as it would have been had Laura phased out and Leo and Jacques got in a fight over Ronette.

>>87384289

>tfw thought it was "one chance house between two worlds" for years and it's actually "one chants out"

>>87384218
Well?

>tfw I genuinely though every little bit of Parts 1-16 were 10/10

>tfw 17 and 18 completely ruined them

I'm okay with the events in episode 18 themselves. It's the way that so much of what we saw this season was rendered irrelevant.

My biggest issue, though, is why couldn't we have seen Freddy's story?! With all the other scenes we had outside of Twin Peaks, how hard could it have been to introduce us to Freddy, a VERY important and central character, earlier on? Having him just explain his entire story in a monologue fairly close to the end removed all weight and suspense. That's THE one thing I simply can't come up with an excuse for. Unless it's some ironic rip on modern storytelling or anime.

>people LITERALLY wanted an ending where all the characters come together and have a party or something

Have you even SEEN Twin Peaks? Do you remember how season 2 ended?

>>87384519
you'd be right if you said that 7 years ago

Arri Alexa beats film

>>87384598
How can 2 hours of things you didn't like ruin 16 hours of things you enjoyed, you fucking idiot?

>>87384307
>>87384397
I'll never understand copypasta-ers.

>>87384546
i feel so bad for dale. he's seems so sad she doesn't know who laura is :(

>>87384629
People like you reply to them and give them attention which is why they do it thread after thread

>>87384610
I was hoping that was the ending with the expectation of season 3, and this time he would know this would be the end so he would have wrapped it up a little nicer. I'm not going to make that mistake again. I know if there ever is a Season 4 or anything similar, it will answer one question and raise 3 more.

>>87384625
Kek bit uncalled for

This scene is a lot creepier in retrospect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfhoPzfJ9Bc

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why is no one discussing this scene? it's absolutely fucking chilling and i have no idea what it means.

Freddy was perfect. A total punch in the face to people who wanted some big showdown with Evil Coop. I'm glad it was some nobody character, and not even the final episode. Lynch knows what he's doing.

>>87384598
How was anything rendered irrelevant by part 18?

>>87384647
Wow thanks captain obvious. /tv/ has the most horrible kind of people.

>>87384610

I honestly think most people are not upset with the actual ending, but that they had to sit through some painfully long takes to get there.

People loved episode 8. It made no sense, but it was incredibly entertaining.

If episode 18 had cut the sex scene and driving in silence scenes in half, and replaced it with fucked up Audrey white room shit and crazy log shenanigans, all culminating in Cooper asking what year it is, it'd be pretty universally hailed as a masterpiece.

>>87384307
based hawk hater

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VERY interesting, what could it mean??

Lynch connection to eraserhead maybe?

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>childhood is respecting David Lynch
>adulthood is realizing Michael J. Anderson makes more sense

>>87384673
see
>>87384413

>>87384624
Why do directors like Nolan, Tarantino, etc claim otherwise?

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>>87384639
>Cooper could have accepted that Carrie Page wasn't Laura Palmer and settled down with her, like he said he wanted to settle down and make love to a beautiful woman in S2 when he thought he was dying
>instead he couldn't let go and pushed Laura even farther away from himself

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>tfw we will never again have the ultimate comfy that was the first two seasons
Call me reddit all you like but it still hurts

>>87384629
autism

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so we all agree that Trent Reznor is the dreamer, right?

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>>87384584
Go back

>>87384694
lol

>>87384685
Then why did you reply to him? And why did you ask the question? You don't seem much better than the people you're so above

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I had a dream last night where I was masturbating. A voice of someone I don't know but recognised immediately anyway somehow told me that I should not worry since he was aware of it all, of everything. Then I woke up and I was masturbating. The switch from dream to reality happened so smoothly that if it weren't for the fact that everything is clear and not vague, I'd be willing to believe that I was still dreaming
If I really am the dreamer, what does all this then mean?

>>87384736
he was singing about sarah palmer in episode 8, right?

I liked how drawn out the last episode was. Since you know it's the finale, you keep screaming at the TV about why they're still driving. It makes it more intense. Then it sort of leaves you stranded, beautifully done

>>87384629
It's my own pasta, am I not allowed to repost if my opinions still hold true?

>>87384745
Just kill yourself already you insufferable nerd

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You should hang this on your balls

>>87384740
Die.

>>87384480
This is existentialism 101.

>>87384762
in every thread?

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>>87384717
>Agent Cooper will never get to go around Twin Peaks solving mysteries with his old pal Harry all while making time for the occasional cup of coffee and pie
>instead he is possibly forever trapped in some alternate nightmare reality where nothing is how he remembers it
oh god

>>87384650
>Lynch wanted to keep the murder mistery going in the original show becaude he felt it was the key that opened up the doors to twin peaks to go and meet all the characters and their stories
>Season 3 ends on an unsolved puzzle box but you are basically called an idiot and slapped in the face if you cared about the characters and their stories
I don't get it, is Lynch spiteful thowards the audience or the old producers who forced him to reveal the murder, and wanted to show them what it could have been before taking it away? Because he's always been vocal about how the murder of Laura wasn't meant to be solved because it was the gateway to all these other stories, not just for its own sake. While season 3 ends on an unsolved mistery, but it isn't gateway to anything, in fact all the characters lives are rewritten and what we've seen of them is rendered meaningless

>>87384717
>the adventures of Dougie Jones
>not maximum comfy

>>87384796
I've only posted 3 times, I'm the latter not the former. Check the archives. Why are you retard grouping me in with the spammer?

>>87384762
What do you get out of spamming it in every thread? How is that fun or productive to you?

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What the FUCK was her problem?

>>87384762
So you manage to get the first post in every thread, all day, every day? Do you sleep? You sound like an autistic neet who's fueled by shitposting.

>>87384767
Why are you so upset at my response when you fell for the copypaster's bait?

>>87384625
Because some random guy we are only told about ends up being the chosen one to kill the main villain of the series.

>>87384673
I understood and liked all the Cooper/Laura stuff in those two episodes. But the fact is that all of the Audrey/Billy or Red/Shelly stuff had zero bearing on Lynch's plan. Why include it? Honestly, if he had kept this at 9 hours like originally planned, he'd have his perfect FWWM followup and people could have just as few answers without being pissed off.

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>>87384810
Qts don't deserve such cruel treatment.

Fuck you Lynch.

>>87384776
I knew the hobo house was the same house from FWWM

>>87384762
Ignore them, these redditors didn't complain about vapid cuteposting, david lunch, and other mindless memes

Apparently only pasta that tries to raise points of discussion is bad because they are zealots unable of critical thinking

>>87384413
Explain this.

>>87384834
See >>87384832
I posted this >>87384397 and somehow I'm grouped in with the spammer?

>>87384701
mostly because of sentimentality rather than pragmatic/aesthetic reasons

film DOES look different than digital, but most of those differences are actually imperfections - e.g. grain, dust, artifacts, poor performance in low light, slightly weaker dynamic range, unrealistic color rendition.

some people may prefer those imperfections, just like people prefer the imperfections of vinyl, but digital at this point is objectively superior from a measurable standpoint. And I think, depending on the desired aesthetic obviously, it usually looks better.

interestingly though there are only two digital cameras I'd consider worthwhile. Arri Alexa and Varicam S35. DSLRs aren't good enough, RED isn't good enough, phones certainly aren't good enough. So it's still an expensive medium.

>>87384868
David Lunch is a fucking classic, you Pledditor.

>>87384655
What is Mrs. Tremond exactly?

>>87384868
There's no points being made, the spammer/you never responds to anything. How is that a discussion?

>>87384868
I hate all memes. This place never actually discusses anything.

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Jared, you madman!

>>87384762
It's not your own pasta and you didn't even post it in this thread. If anything you made minor additions (audio, crew filmed).

>>87384868
LUNCHED

>>87384836
What did Lynch do to all these people?

No one is dreaming, Coop just discovered that the black lodge/white lodge magic wasn't as powerful as he thought it was. There is some other force that really controls things which is preventing him from going too far and intervening in history. Read about it in my book when it comes out

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>>87384868
>not liking cute pictures of Sheryl Lee
>not liking hilarious puns of Lynch's name

Yeah head on back to Rddit.net buddy

>>87384906
Wait, why is she upset?

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>>87384452
i like this.

>>87384948
Lynch sucks out essence

>>87384868
>cuteposting
>vapid
you've never been dedicated to a woman like cuteposter was tbqh
I've got his back fuck off

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>>87384699
The ventriloquist puppet is right.

>>87384866
But we had the proof since the episode where Shaggy's head exploded. But if black lodge is curtains, what is house / woods? "Convenience store old gas station"? Jeffries is within the tree-halls, by the motel (or in it). But he's in White Lodge gear. If house is black lodge, why then Jeffries in it? Why woodsmen in it if they assist Mr. C and BOB? And Judy?

Did the Woodsmen take over after the nuke but somehow this didn't affect them during FWWM?

>>87384948
She probably wanted more screen time.

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Sheryl Lee is a gorgeous woman in all aspects and also a very talented actress!

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WHY IS /TPG/ SO BAD AT IGNORING BAIT POSTS AND SPAMMERS

JUST STOP GIVING THEM ATTENTION IF YOU WANT THEM TO STOP

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>87384906
fuckin kek

David Lynch is a pseudo intellectual like all of you smug reddit crossposters.

The Return has easily the worst plot of all television shows, it can't even manage to do the profundity it craves right. A load of shit.

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>Cooper goes into the lodge to save Annie, literally sacrifices his soul for her
>finally comes out of the lodge
>doesn't even ask about her, suddenly madly in love with his secretary

Was this ever explained? Is this just something we're pretending didn't happen, like Windom Earle? Have I been Lynched?

>>87384962
where is cuteposter?

>season 4 starts
>COOPER: "I had the strangest dream..."
>COLE: "SPEAK UP COOP I'M A FORMICA TABLE NOW"
>*microwave dings*
>COLE: "QUIET ALBERT I'M TRYING TO TALK TO COOPER"

>>87384909
No I made it you fucking IMPOSTOR

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>>87384994
time to cut through all the spam with a cuteposting thread!

>>87384598
>Yfw freddy is introduced in the first episode
>next to James was always cool

>>87384964
What is Lynch thinking in this picture? He looks to be coming to an unpleasant realization.

>>87384836
>stars in finale and acts like its nothing
ffs

>>87384965
That motel is the same motel from Fire Walk With Me, where Leland was going to bang Theresa, it's worth noting

>>87385029
Cute!

>>87384452

It could have done that without shitting all over the story. It spent 17 episodes doing that; and either episode 18 shouldn't have been added or it should have been followed by an episode 19. He picked the worst place to leave it. You don't get a free pass for defying convention, something is not inherently better or worse for being different, and conventions are not an innately bad thing.

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>>87385012
*CUTIEports behind you*

Heh... nothing personnel kid

>>87385039
>"he's on to me"

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>>87384965
Why did they turn black? Did their cigarettes blow up in their face when the nuke hit?

>Twin Peaks will never get a complete Criterion box
why even live

>>87385022
Kek, imagine pretending you made some one elses pasta.

>>87384921
the same thing he did to us

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>>87385012
I am right here, eating breakfast and contemplating calling in sick today because I can't shake this weird feeling of being on the edge of a bottomless abyss

>>87385075
Also, why did they turn from lumberjacks to hobos?

>>87385075
Retcon. Also, one of those guy's is the Electrician.

>>87385005
go back 2 reddit

>>87385008
Probably; not even Frost wanted Annie, it was just CBS.

>>87384996
but they're like the whole thread now

like the dirty bearded men in a room, they're in our house now. you are far away, cuteposter

The scene that Fireman showed Andy never took place — where everything was shaking and he was guiding Lucy. That was the timeline unraveling and their dream being snapped.

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>>87385029
Sheryl best girl as Laura, Maddy, Carrie, it doesn't matter who

>>87385109
illegal immigrants taking their jobs

>>87385123
Then why's she in FWWM?

>>87385031
No, him standing there silently behind James doesn't count. We should have seen just a little of his life in londontown and supernatural things happening to him as long as we're seeing all these other unrelated people.

Right before Laura screams you can hear her mother saying "laura.. laura.." from the first episode where she goes upstairs to wake her up for school and finds out she's missing. The whole thing was Laura's nightmare.

>>87384391
friendly reminder there's no definitive answer to this
http://variety.com/2017/tv/features/twin-peaks-david-lynch-interview-showtime-agent-cooper-1202445977/
>Would you do another season?
>I don’t know. You never say no. You don’t know what will happen. It depends on a lot of things.

>>87384921
>>87384836
Like Audrey's actor, she got a taste of fame and money thanks to Lynch

but they faded into obscurity and bitched like children thinking he owed them something. Go read Audrey's twitter rants, they're insane. She's a god-freak that is clearly struggling with mental illness.

>>87384452
all it accomplished was being terrible

Has /tv/ agreed on any theory?

I subscribe to the theory that it is not a "bad end" for Cooper. I think Lynch is trying to make it seem that way though.

>>87385111
But these ones came when the nuke hit, in black & white in Part 8.

>>87385125
Wouldn't it be that it actually did happen and that's why Lucy shot doppelboop later on but actually at the same time?

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>>87385172
>tfw you get BTFO by Lynch so hard you become a fucking walrus

>>87384610

Yes. And it ended that way because they were banking on another season. Now that they got one and they are probably aware it's not very likely they get another one, yes, I did expect a bit of closure and a sense of catharsis rather than another mostly open ending. Not an explanation, mind you. But closure. At least for Cooper.

>>87385063
This whole time we've been watching Dougie, we didn't really understand what it's like to be lost and confused.

But the final scene works so well as a culmination because we finally understand what it feels like to be totally lost, unable to know who is who or even what year it is.

>>87385008
Didn't seem like he was madly in love to me. I got the impression that he cared deeply about her as a friend, but that was all, whereas she was the one that was in love with Cooper.

The sex was irrelevant to this too because it "had" to happen for them both to cross over. Also, who would he ask about Annie?

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>>87385141
Sheryl is also wonderful just as herself, not playing a character

>>87385157
She was the only person to go into the Lodge with Cooper, someone had to give Laura the message. Pretending she didn't happen is different than a straight-up retcon.

>>87384629
They want attention. Also they delude themselves into thinking they'll change people's opinion by spamming the same post 20 times a day. For them (You)s= validation, as vapid as this sounds. They delude themselves into thinking they're oh so smart for trolling or "calling out" (but never debating) people they don't agree with, when in reality they're a mild annoyance to anonymous users on a chinese cartoon forum. Then they turn around and giggle to themselves, justifying this childish behavior as something clever when in reality they're just a miniscule pest, like a fly or mosquito.

If you view 17 as the actual end and 18 as some hypothetical epilogue, it's not so bad. Many shows work their seasons like that, such as Sopranos.

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>>87385008
LMAO at (you). Just another brainlet that gets caught up in minor details like 'the major events of the show' and can't just sit back and enjoy some prime Lynch kino. Reddit is that way, plotfag.

>>87384974
>>87384948
Not happy with lack of screentime, and they used studio recordings (just like with every other performance)

Audrey's actress also bitched about her minimal role

They would be nothing without TP, and they both act like spoiled, illiterate, mentally ill children.

>>87385160
it's like there was a better show happening off screen

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>>87385218
True
Other adjectives I would use are fantastic, incredible, and amazing

>>87384767
>insufferable
If you used this word in real life around me. I'd kick your dad's ass for having a little bitch boy.

>>87385222
this is how I'm coping to be honest, desu

>>87385167
who cares? Even if it happens it's clear they're never going to give twin peaks a conclusion out of spite for how the old show turned out, the interesting thing about s3 was the promise of an ending, now that we know it will never happen I'm not interested in watching another 18 hours of meaningless meandering

>>87384836

>David why are you dubbing all my songs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc2poJyhBKo

>>87385222
>if you make up your own headcanon, you can change the ending to your own liking
Wow, brilliant.

>>87385194
I still laugh thinking about how James did PR work and convention panels for The Return when they were basically non-characters in it. Big Ed almost had the same fate; I think all his character did all season was eat at the diner and get uncucked.

>>87385172
>>87385194
lara flynn boyle lost her mind too. everyone that comes in close contact with lynch ends up losing their mind.

>>87385218
>sheryl lee is the real wonder, not her characters

woa... makes u think

>>87385160
Nice backtracking. I just explained where he was introduced, and how early.

>how hard could it have been to introduce us to Freddy, a VERY important and central character, earlier on?

>>87385188
It's a good end. I don't necessarily think there was a specific meaning to the ending but the Cooper did exactly as the Fireman told him and it ended with the lights flashing so I think it worked.

>>87384965
Stop thinking of the Lodge like its two separate sporting teams. Some entities are benevolent, some malign, others seemingly indifferent.

>>87385200

We understood confusion and frustration and being lost specifically by following Dougie around for 16 episodes

>>87385274
is this real? holy shit

oh god it's terrible I need to turn this off but i'm not done typing aaaaaaaaaaaa *vomits*

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>>87385261
Would you agree on the adjective of worship-worthy or is that crossing a threshold?

>>87385261
late 90s fashion and hairstyles were so fucking disgusting

>>87384837
It's OP. All the best LotR threads start with shitty bait.

>>87385264
>nerd threatens me with violence

What if episodes 17 and 18 were actually shown in reverse order? What if the events of 18 came before those of 17, and that's why young Laura is shown disappearing twice?

>>87385190
>retcon

Google that word if you don't know what it means, because he just explained why they are different visually

>>87385273
Why are you even responding to my post. I never claimed they were going to make a conclusion to the series, I posted that information because someone was making false claims.
>I'm not interested in watching another 18 hours of meaningless meandering
Then simply don't watch it if it doesn't happen, retard.

>>87385274
AND she's completely out of tune

how does this even happen how do you JUST this hard???

>>87385274
Holy shit lmao.

>>87384974

That's just pathetic. James had a very minor role and he never seemed anything other than grateful for getting to be in it.

>>87385335
*if it does happen

>>87385340
if you knew what David did to her...

>>87385125
>>87385191
I think it was just communication of information

It shows two Coops splitting apart, and then Lucy looking at two spots

It's telling Andy that she will have to decide who is the real coop

>>87385307
Ironically Dougie is in a better place by not knowing.

>>87385157
Lynch wanted to try to fuck her one more time.

So does Frost's book make sense with the retcons now that season 3 has ended?
Is the Secret History a history of the new Twin Peaks in Carrie Page's world?

>>87385212
>Also, who would he ask about Annie?

Andy or Hawk.

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>>87385322
It might be true...

Once we cross, it could all be different.

>>87385304
They are, it's the lodge of White magicians and the lodge of Black magicians and they've teamed up on the Laura / BOB / Judy thing because fuck it

Cooper, with his ability to befriend everyone, has become a member and agent of both lodges.

>>87384397
Big if true

>>87385387
you have to read both

>>87384688
based based hawk hater poster

James had an important role: making sure one punch lad was in the sheriff station
Big Ed had a complete redemption arc storyline in a succinct amount of powerful scenes

Bobby's the only one who got cucked

>>87385020
Cringe

>>87385222
Also Breaking Bad

>>87385304
See Alaister Crowley book about summoning Judy (The Moon Child etc.) and the White lodge vs. the Black lodge and see it referenced many times in Secret History of Twin Peaks.

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>>87384443
That's right. By preventing Laura's murder you prevent his birth (because his father never met his mother).

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>>87385399
Considering I wrote 22 pages dedicated to Sheryl, I've probably crossed over some time ago

>>87385335
I'm just having a conversation, it wasn't meant as an attack to you, I replied to you because you brought up season 4
I was interested in a season 3 because they had stories to wrap up, s3 taught us that stories and characters are meaningless in the dreamscape because everything can be changed from the ground up into something completely different. So I have no real interest in watching a season 4 or 5 because it clearly won't feature an ending, and twin peaks is for all intents and porpouses over now that the events of the first 48 hours of the show have been erased from existance altogether
I can see where people are coming from when they say that this ending is pretty conclusive

>>87384460
I think the "unofficial" story refers to the way they killed BOB (allowing for the doppelganger to die properly). The Giant cheated by making it easy for himself. Mere mortal strength can't stop evil.

>>87385402
Yeah and to join the Lodge you put on the Sorting Hat but also always remember that Fear is the Mind Killer.

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>>87385274
>lynch's reaction in the editing room

>>87384629
I must remind them

>>87385222
If you don't understand the ending of The Sopranos, you weren't paying any attention to the last season. The creator even said so himself. It's obvious what happens.

>>87385506
impostor

>>87385240
Interesting way to put it, for sure.

>>87385296
Because that's not "introducing" him. He doesn't say anything until over halfway through the show, and when he does, it's a paragraph of highly important exposition.

Everyone here knows the general rule of "show, don't tell", and Lynch knows it better than anyone on the planet. That's why all the clunky expository dialogue in season 3 bothers me. >Albert briefing Tammy
>Betty Briggs and the chair
>Hawk retelling the events of S1 to Frank
It's the last thing you should expect.

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>>87385332
Naw son, it is in our house now. Shit happened when that bomb went off and Judy spewed nast. The TV tube or whatever that they crank in each was all normal before and now it's all burned up like them.

>>87385274
I think she started losing her voice in 2008, because in 2008 videos, they sound raspy. In 2005, she sounded like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9qpfWpPOSw

It's all an allucination of Dale Cooper in his last moments after he got shot in his room.

>>87385537
nope

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>>87384965
Black lodge =/= curtains. The true black lodge is more akin to the convenience store / motel, the space station, or the alternate reality Cooper woke up in. The red room is just a waiting room / nexus.

>>87385540
>show Freddy early on with James
>don't tell you he's important right away

You have no idea what you actually want, other than to complain

>>87385387
In Secret History, Laura died at 18 years of age in 1991
In Twin Peaks, she died at 17 in 1989
The murder wasn't prevented, just delayed. If bob is indeed erased from all reality, I guess her mother the jumping man picked up the slack and killed Laura in this new timeline
The Carrie Page world seems to be a different one altogether

>>87385502
>gif
I know your not from here, but we post webms on 4chan

>>87384694
All Lynch films are cannon in the Twin Peaks universe.
Even Dune.

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>>87385479
You're still doing better than Dale Cooper, who further ruined Laura Palmer's chances at happiness in death. I bet Sheryl would love your writing

>>87385283
That is, unless they can resist the power of the Lodge and remain pure.

>>87385508
You misunderstand. Look at each Sopranos season. It's always the second to last episode of each where the actual shit goes down. The actual finale episodes are more subdued reflections on whatever just happened. Same deal here. Ep 17 was the actual action/conclusion. 18 is the fallout from it.

>>87385387
I estimate that 96% of it is pre-Dale Cooper coming to town / Laura Palmer dying and therefore canon.

>>87384717

it hurting is exactly the fucking point

>>87385547
Wait I never noticed all the eggs she vomited up before. Does that mean that there are tons of those creatures out there and they all crawled up inside different people?

>>87385221
>dumb tl;dr for just forget about them guys

>>87385008
Whos Annie?

FWWM and now this, Sheryl Lee is so fucking good.

>>87385020

jesus christ

>>87385172
>>87385232
>implying Fenn wouldn't have become the biggest actress in the world if she didn't get typecast as Audrey.

>>87385579
Jacoby says her father did it and that claimed possession by a demon as did others witnessing

>>87384307
based

>>87385020
heh

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Fuck she did such a good job of looking disheveled and just "off"

I know people give Twin Peaks a lot of shit for the acting, but honestly I find it much better than many other shows currently on the air

>>87385579
There's a FUCKTON of discrepancies, more than just about TP. They got the date of the moon landing wrong for one.

>>87385325
Fuck off fag, 90's had best female fashion and hair.

>>87385221
>They delude themselves into thinking they're oh so smart for trolling or "calling out" (but never debating) people they don't agree with
Oh, so they are like LYNCHED posters

>>87385624
Thanks for the (You) hehehe

>>87385661
You're right, I forgot about that. Still, the dates and age do not match, implying that laura was indeed killed, but a year later

>>87385580
>your
I know you're not from here, but we post correct grammar on 4chan.

>>87385679
Its an alternate reality

>>87385675
>shows
Watch film instead. Watch Lynch if you haven't already

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Reddit is right, season 2 was waaaaay better than this garbage.

>>87385578
Except he's one of the most important characters in the show. He kills BOB. If he was just a buddy of James then sure, I wouldn't be complaining. Do you honestly not feel a little gypped that the main (or second-to-main) villain of this 25 year series was defeated by some rando we learn about at the last minute? He's alright, but it's gonna take a little more for me to care about him. Not a lot, but a little more.

>>87385675
She looked disheveled in season one.

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>>87385683
sure, if you're into little boys

>>87385621
maybe they're the woodsmen who showed up in the same time

>>87385621
Yeah and also that Sarah Palmer is only Judy since after "The Experiment" (the glass box contraption) allowed her to break through after giving chase to Cooper in pure-ocean-floating-space-capsule-living-room. She met up with final host, guided by her loyal Jumping Man.

Lots of them shits.

>>87385683
Same. I really like male fashion and hair at the time, especially what white people were doing, its a shame its looked won upon now.

>>87385675
she's the best actress on the show bar none, it's amazing how she shines even next to a vet like Kyle.

>>87385655
>terrible actress
>ugly as soon as she hits her 30's
>becoming the biggest

>>87385717
Those aren't even difficult or relevant questions. There are bigger questions at play here.

What did dopplecoop want with Judy?

>>87385683
I don't even get what that anon sees in that picture as being an example of terrible 90s fashion

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>>87385603
As this week goes on, I have an ever-growing feeling that something big is going to happen. Whether that big thing is good or bad I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised if I end up making the same face Coop did when he found out that Sarah hadn't lived in the house for a long time, if even ever

>>87385717
The humming noise was the bridge between two worlds, Sarah is possessed by the Jumping Man and the glass box was the Experiment. The rest of those questions are just pointless Mark Frost bullshit. Who cares?

>>87385729
How different is that from some FBI nigger showing up in town all of a sudden and doing everything. It should have been Hawk and Harry from your logic.

>>87385778
Yes, but those are questions that came up during the series that you hoped would be answered but weren't.

>>87385389
His time back in the Sheriff's station was far, far too brief and action-packed to have done that.

>>87385702
Do you really think that's more plausible than Frost being old and getting some numbers confused?

>>87385729
>Do you honestly not feel a little gypped that the main (or second-to-main) villain of this 25 year series was defeated by some rando we learn about at the last minute?

Not at all. Not every story needs the ultimate hero to defeat the ultimate evil. It's not that kind of story. You should have known what you're getting yourself into.

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>>87385788
Maybe we'll get lucky and Sabrina Sutherland will announce more Twin Peaks to come this Sunday!

>>87385764
>>terrible actress
implying that has ever mattered
>>ugly as soon as she hits her 30's
She was the hottest thing on the planet for a while and if she got a movie career instead of becoming some retard's mom she probably would have held onto her looks longer.

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you can hear laura's mom wake her up just before she screams (like waking from a nightmare).
laura's mom said the exact same words she said when going to wake up laura in the pilot.

this is almost as bad as how in lost they were dead the whole time.

Has anyone mentioned that all those David Lynch short films from 2006 onward that are on youtube managed to make it into The Return? Thinking specifically of the Naido/tumor/tulpa thing that was definitely one of them.

>>87385738
lesbians have there own style anon look at applegate completely different hair

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>>87385655
>it's called Boxing Helena, Sherilyn! I think it's the vehicle that will launch you to super stardom!

http://www.strawpoll.me/13871946
>implying people think the ending was positive

>>87385738
>The "ugly" character from an 80's sitcom
That's your example?

>>87385821
Yes, because there's more than just numbers that are changed. Annie is no long a beauty contest winner.

>The Archivist states Pete Martell played checkers, not chess. In the series, Pete assists Agent Cooper in his chess match with Windom Earle.

>>87385821
• Archivist knows the REAL scoop on the moon landing and put in the real date.
• Jacoby's right-brain/left-brain glasses blockout prevents him from accepting responsibility for Laura's death so he actually thinks she was 18 at first meeting

>>87385792
>Everything I dislike is mark frost
I bet you 10 to 1 the roadhouse scenes and Audrey's subplot were 100% Lynch

>>87385749
I can't think of male fashion from that time other than baggy jeans and spiked hair.

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We are like the CUTEposter who CUTEposters and then lives inside of the CUTEpost.

But then... who is the CUTEposter?

>>87385858
1/10 bait

Almost made me tear your asshole open with LOST knowledge

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>>87385852
I honestly don't know where they'd take it from here and also don't really want another season
I mean, where would they even go after the ending? Season 2 had a set-up with DoppelCoop and everything but now everything is either nonexistent or tangled up in several layers of dreams

>laura raped harold
anybody wanna explain that to me? or should i just get le frosted

>>87385887
The Archivist is playing with words, it's a metaphor not reality about his chess. Annie isn't a winner because The Archivist was outside of space and time during the contest.

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>>87385921
I could see some kind of movie, not necessarily another season, centered around Kyle and Sheryl. Think of how amazing that could be with how fantastic of actors they both are...

>>87385821
after they made such a huge fuss in the show about alternate timelines, yes
Though it was also an excuse for him to be lazy and avoid double checking anything

>>87385920
Listen again. You can faintly hear "Laura".

>>87385928
IIRC in Secret Diary Laura says she went to Harold's and forced herself on him, I don't think they actually had sex but she says she was filled with guilt making him feel unsafe in his own home

>>87385945
Alright, now scroll down and explain every other discrepancy

>http://twinpeaks.wikia.com/wiki/The_Secret_History_of_Twin_Peaks

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>there is an alternate reality where every conspiracy theory you can conceive is the truth

i'm having a hard time reconciling laura as a rapist, tpg. was it really rape? did she really rape harold?

>>87385798
Because Coop shows up right near the beginning of the show. And he doesn't just appear in the background, we immediately start learning his beliefs and idiosyncracies. I'm talking simple 101 stuff here.

>>87385825
>Not every story needs the ultimate hero to defeat the ultimate evil.
I'll bite, but I'd like you to back that argument up if you can. The whole show, and Part 8 in particular seems to highlight the duality of good and evil.

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>mfw just finished Part 18

What. The. Fuck.

>>87385989
>filled with guilt
>made him feel unsafe in his own home
so she definitely probably raped him.
wew

>>87385567
My man.

>>87385921
It would just be a show with Cooper, Cole, and Jeffries trying to thwart Judy, because all of the other charcters' plot lines have been wrapped up and are irrelevant to the story now. It probably wouldn't be all that entertaining tbqh.

>>87385976
I agree with the first part, I was responding to the LOST part

read again.

>>87386007
Right, it IS about good and evil. But not in a stereotypical Main Hero defeats Main Villain. It's more of good guys win against bad guys. The Fireman sent Laura to earth, and then talked to Coop/Freddy/Andy in order to help defeat the bad guys. They're all cogs in a plan, not one superhero built up to save the day.

>>87384307
Keep it up. We will win this fight agains reddit.

>>87386042
About 90% of The Return was irrelevant to the show, they still did it.

>>87385999
>>87385989

>>87386025
I mean I'm just recounting whats in the book but feel free to make your own headcanon idc

>>87386070
>we
>reddit
Jedus Christ

>>87385638
>see your career in 25 years

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>>87385948
While both are fantastic actors, pic related being the final shot of the series, as well as one of the first, doesn't really set up for things going forwards. If anything, it'd be a loop of Coop perpetually fucking up. If he hasn't already fucked everything up beyond repair, that is

>>87386020
I hope you liked it because expressing any dissent will get you downvoted here on /tpg/

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>>87386020
We live inside a meme.

>>87385999
I mean he made out with her of his own accord in FWWM when she was emotionally vulnerable. He was a beta orbiter, of course he wanted to fuck her the whole time, same with Donna.

>>87386042
>Big Ed and Norma finally find happyness
>Audrey is trapped somewhere
>Steven may have killed Becky and then himself
>next episode the last 25 years are changed completely so none of it mattered

>>87385675
Old and used up is disheveled.

>>87386070
REEEEE shut up plebbit I would literally suck Lynch's shrivelled prawn dry if I could

This season was ART, and David definitely wasn't stroking his ego!!!

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>>87386112
True.

I already felt the same way as your points but I want to believe in some fashion Laura can achieve eternal peace in death like at the end of Fire Walk With Me ;___;

>>87386095
>>87386134
there's no way i can post about this without projecting heavily
pretty much everything wanted to fuck laura, huh?

>>87385729
That's why it's likable, Freddie's kinda like the town itself, he's pretty normal and unnoteworthy on the surface but he has a lot going on underneath. His whole recounting of the Fireman incident right after you have the Andy scene at Jack Rabbit's Palace creates a contrast that makes Freddie's story just seem like a tall tale, something in life you know happened but you can't explain.

>>87386181
even her Dad did

>>87385788
School is starting.

>>87386060
The Fireman sent Carrie to earth though

Why can Gordon see it? Is it the same clip of Sarah screaming LAURA?

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>>87386181
I'm not really sure what you mean by that first sentence, but yes, everyone in Twin Peaks largely wanted to use Laura for sex first and for most. Notice how she largely dresses in conservative clothing, sexuality is projected onto her by the men of the town her whole life.

>there will never be a game where play as phillip jeffries between fwwm and s3
i know, i know, games aren't "art", but i don't know if i could think of something else i'd rather waste multiple hours on. i bet he was all over the zone. i wonder if he ever got back at the jumping man for shunting him through time

>>87385921
>>87386042
You both say this, but if another season was announced, you'd all be screaming like school girls.

Lynch & Frost aren't going to continue this unless they have something that really compels them.

>>87385945
I've been with you guys all summer, but these mental gymnastics over the books are just embarassing.

>>87386060
>not one superhero built up to save the day.
But that's a pretty good description of Freddy. Remember when everyone was theorizing he was Lynch's take on capeshit?

>>87386228
What? You mean Laura?

>>87385638
She may have the best horror scream I have ever heard in my life

That last scene chilled me to the bone

>>87386215
youngfags OUT

>>87386121
It was very powerful, but I didn't expect a bad ending. It left a bad taste in my mouth, call me a pleb or Lynched but I'm just being honest.

>>87386249
Then surely you read the original discussion about this line and the book itself and therefore know the truth

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>>87386234

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>>87386174
We don't even know if Laura as anything but a memory even exists anymore
That's some kind of eternal peace, right? Not existing at all and never having existed either
Now I need to go so that I won't miss the bus

>>87386170
>I would literally suck Lynch's shrivelled prawn dry if I could
And I unironically would too. Nice try at sarcasm, there, reddit.

>>87386249
>not one superhero
>one

There's multiple. Multiple people work in order to solve the goal. Lucy is the one who killed Mr. C, but that doesn't make her the hero.

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>>87384397
I miss grain in film

>>87386134
>He was a beta orbiter, of course he wanted to fuck her the whole time, same with Donna.

This. Harold was the worst.

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>>87386282
All that matters is she was real to us

>>87386290
Dougie likes his women like he likes his coffee.

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BOINGGGG

>>87386271
I can agree with that.

>>87386312
This
People acting like Laura was some rapist who took advantage of him is fucking hilarious

>>87386170
>Lymch's shrivelled prawn
He's not soft where it counts, anon.

>>87386285
i would suck his shriveled little prawn dry too, but ironically

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>>87385921
desu I'd be fine with Lynch releasing another series that's related (or not) with Twin Peaks.
Hell, he could release Ronnie Rocket, but have Dale Cooper in it, and I'd be fine with that. One of the many Dales trying to unravel and fix reality. Of course, it's easy to taint the series if you choose to attach it like that.

Alternatively, another prequel movie / series would be nice. I want to see more Chet Desmond.

COOPER : DOUGIE :: LAURA : CARRIE

We never see Kyle Maclachlan credited as two different characters, because the credits always start with him.

>>87386193
>. His whole recounting of the Fireman incident right after you have the Andy scene at Jack Rabbit's Palace

Jesus christ. He didn't tell the story until Part 14?! I thought it was a little earlier.

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>s2 finale
"what happened to audrey"
>the return finale
"WHAT HAPPENED TO AUDREY"

>>87386358
>>87386358
>>87386358

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>>87386241
So you can stare at his ass for 80 hours?

>>87386373
Was he autistic?

>>87386241
Imagine a VR experience where you watch your body get transformed into a teapot

>>87386365
Why do people care so much about Audrey? She's the least important character in Twin Peaks.

>>87386481
She's a pretty iconic character m8e. Love interest of main character and tried to assist in the investigation. Pretty big side character/plot in the original series.
More people have emotional investment in her than in Laura Palmer.

>>87386481
>Why do twin peaks fans care about the people of twin peaks? Lmao none of them are real it's all a dream LYNCHED

>>87385825
>Not every story needs the ultimate hero to defeat the ultimate evil.
That's almost what we got though. They asspulled an ultimate hero to defeat him instead of Coop

>>87386561
>Love interest of main character
Having a crush on the main character doesn't make her a love interest.

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>>87386481

>>87386580
You're just being a dick

You're ignoring almost everything I have to say and just replying to the one sentence you're holding onto. there's multiple heroes, and they have set up to them.

>>87386622
I've only replied to one of your posts, and I replied to the sentence that your post hinged upon

>>87386653
Oh okay, read all my posts then. And the one you just replied to. There were multiple heroes, not just Freddy.

Plus introducing him in the first episode isn't much of an "asspull"

>>87386622
Welcome to 4chan

>>87386729
It is an asspull when Bob has been built up since the first season.

>>87386583
He was obviously interested.

>>87386821
It's an asspull when some random anon doesn't like it

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>>87386481
she's more important than her helmet clad brother that's for sure

>>87385109

Lumberjack hobos

>>87386160
>>next episode the last 25 years are changed completely so none of it mattered

i like to think it doesn't work like that. coop did said he hoped to see the whole gang again one day. he looked unsure but i don't think it's because that whole reality will be erased. in a way... maybe you are right and this is the ultimate lynchpill: it's a story after all. they kind of broke the 4th wall a few times referencing to the show itself and it's place in culture, the fact that its been 25 years and so on ... twin peaks becoming kind of a cultural phenomenon , a tv institution who influenced a bunch of shows, 3rd seasons featuring an endless line of hipsters who must have beg like crazy to get in there, etc so by mock-erasing it all... it put things in perspective and maybe free some minds, clear the way for the future for something new.