/tpg/ - Twin Peaks General

>no set design, feels empty and lifeless
>no interesting ideas for storylines and generally bad writing
>relies on gimmicks only instead
>those are unoriginal or just bad, unfortunately ("fuck you, albert", glove, andy and lucy, coordinates, riddles, ...)
>unbelievably bad acting (Horse, Bell, Lynch, Robertson, Dern, ...)
>unbelievably dull characters (one-dimensional at best)
>characters are introduced for no purpose
>storylines are introduced for no purpose
>everything is supposed to weirdly connect and make sense
>roadhouse scenes/songs (especially how they're shot/the extras)
>student-tier storytelling/editing (characters are shown walking up complete sets of stairs)
>stretched out needlessly, long takes have no particular effect
>everything above is literally cringe-tier in concept and implementation
>can't compare to the original series that doesn't have those problems
>obviously delusional and/or inexperienced fanbase perceiving it as particularly meaningful, complex or "deep"
>somehow the best thing in tv history

Hush; may I ask you all for silence?
The dreamer is still asleep
May the goddess keep us from single vision
And you to sleep

The dreamer is still asleep
The dreamer is still asleep
He's inventing landscapes in their magnetic field
Working out a means of escape
We'll cut across the crop circles

The seer says no
Not much time left for these escape attempts
Look at it this way
In ten years' time
Who'll care? Who'll even remember?
One dies like that, deep within it
Almost inside it
It's there for a reason

I'll give you my old address
And take that little book
To tear and cut the paper

The beginning is also the end
Time defines it, time defines it
It will end
Like close friendship
Nothing could be further
We forget the space between people and things
Is empty
We forget, and don't notice the loss

Crossing into venerable degeneration
It's that radiant pollution
The god with the silver hands surveys this vast contamination
The dreamer is still dreaming
The dreamer is still dreaming

In the heart of your heart
Your eye remains
Is that hurt you? Is that blister you call loveless?
Your whole life is a cold slow shock
Your whole life is a cold slow shock

Take all your time
Track the shabby shadow down
Through hissy mists of history

The dreamer is still dreaming
The dreamer is still dreaming

Hush; may I ask you all for silence?
Will he wake in time to catch the sunset?
Hush; may I ask you all for silent?
May I ask you all for silent?

So when is Showtime picking up On the Air for a new season?

>>87293614
>not liking based hawk
just go m8

dubs and red wig diane loves me forever

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>Only seeing her once

This is the real despair.

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L Y N C H E D 8888888888

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To the people who might have been confused by the end or think there's plot inconsistencies, while I won't go into any theories specifically or deny any criticism you might have. I do think it's important to understand several parallels drawn by David Lynch and where he took inspiration from to truly get what he was going for (or was trying to go for). I'm not going to explain any theory in and of itself, but I will try to lay a general line of thinking out on the table.

There's a clear inspiration taken by Lynch from a certain genre of anime, in particular the likes of Angel Beats (2010) and Charlotte (2015). Both heavily criticized for doing the exact same thing Twin Peaks did but it really does all fit together well if you're of an high IQ enough to understand and appreciate this type of story. I know this might come of as unbelievable but there's many similarities here and if you want a less complex version that might help you understand the Season 3 Finale of Twin Peaks I think it's best to have seen the aforementioned shows.
They might be a little rough, and things might seem odd. But that's exactly why it compares so well to Twin Peaks. You can see, going from the first to the second show the time that has passed in real time reflects within the show itself. AB (?) C (?). It's a rollercoaster ride much like Twin Peaks was (is? season 4?) and will likely help you answer many of the problems you might have had with the ending of the third season of Twin Peaks. They're diamonds in the rough. They're the crude oil running through the veins of our inner sanctum. But at the end of the day you can better understand Lynch as a person, a creator, and, most importantly, a human. What his eyes saw and what he tried to reflect. Through the works so brilliantly parodied by him that go beyond a subconscious mind.

If you've got 10 hours of free time, and want to understand Twin Peaks on a much higher plane, consume these 2 shows. Thank me later.

>>87293632
We better get some news in the next couple days.

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Did anyone find it weird how the characters in the Sheriffs Department seemed to barely react to there being two Coopers, not to mention the whole BOB thing? Most of these people had never seen anything supernatural as far as I know. Maybe it really was a dream.

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Sleepy Kyle :3

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>>87293611
Why doesn't he just keep the corpses of the actors who die and use them marionette style in Season 4? He can dub over voicelines with sound-alike voice actors.

I mean, there were retards in here who thought Bowie did Jeffries in S3.

I knew we'd get a Bad End when Julee showed up at the end of 17.

If you didn't like the final episode, you are literally a normie, total brainlet, "muh normal happy TV show conclusion!" mindless moron. This ending is the feeling of derealization, the feeling of something totally off, nausea, of being in a nightmare, being totally wrong.

And I love it.

Can't wait for season 4

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>>87293601
>instead of finding laura's body, pete went out fishing just like he intended to
;_;

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>Traps are gay

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>what year is this
did this scene make anyone else (extra) depressed

Things we got no satisfying explanation or conclusion for
>The guy that Andy was supposed to meet
>The black box in Argentina
>The Red Square that kept appearing on screens
>Who was phone in episode 2
>Hawk seeing the red curtains in episode 1
>That deputy's new car
Anything else I missed?

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COOPER YOU CREATED A TIME PARADOX

Did The Fireman and MIKE fuck Cooper over? If not, did Coop just misunderstand how "time travel" (electricity) worked?

What year is Cooper expecting it to be at the end?

>>87293656
JESUS CHRIST HE GOT US BY THE BALLS MORE THAN TWO DECADES AGO

>>87293684

Andy and Hawk were there when Leland died and Frank heard about it from Harry.

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>>87293701
same.

>>87293695
deadass?

>>87293703
>Who was phone in episode 2
100% sure that was judy

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?

>>87293704

it's the last part of the fireman's plan, he knows the last part of this is to wake laura back up

>>87293703
Red, Sparkle, Anyone at the Roadhouse, ESP. Audrey, Jeffries doing anything other than opening doors.

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>tfw no Coop x Pissfu sex scene closure

>>87293693
If you liked the final episode, you are literally a hipster, total faggot, "muh edgy TV show conclusion!" puerile pleb. The ending throws away all the shit people care about because Lynch has a hard on for Sheryl Lee screaming

Can't wait for season 4 though

>>87293724
That wasn't explicitly supernatural though as Bob didn't appear, Leland just looked like a raving lunatic with split personalities. Albert even said afterwards that maybe Bob was just a metaphor for the evil of men.

>>87293740
Look at the time.

10, the number of completion. whole
all of dale's friends gathered into 1 place, the sheriff's department, after his triumph over evil (Mr. C, BOB), prepared for a jovial celebration & reunion

8, infinity & obsession. can never be whole
dale makes another odyssey, this time with diane and laura, and ends up lost, confused, in a dark place, once again at the mercy of lodge spirits

dale cooper went after judy (jiao dai) and is lost forever
https://chinese.yabla.com/chinese-english-pinyin-dictionary.php?define=%E4%BA%A4%E4%BB%A3

in many ways this is reflective of the audience itself

>>87293701

Anyone else think when Coop stumbled forward he looked just like confused Philip Jeffries did in the original scene in FWWM? They both hunch their shoulders and try and point at something.

>>87293768
What year is it?

>>87293694
Isn't there still a really big chance that he's gonna get killed in the bank bomb still? I mean Andrew coming back and Ekhart baiting them with the safety deposit key didn't hinge on Laura Palmer's death at all.

>>87293754
uhh... sauce?

>>87293740
time and time again.....

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>Gordon will remember the unofficial version
>Gordon is played by Lynch
>Cooper entered our world before Laura woke up and ended them both
>the unofficial version is Twin Peaks itself

>>87293740
Did this really last 7 seconds in the actual episode?

>Laura's house is "THE SITE" where the principal and the librarian went to, and then FBI visited and principals head got blown up by the woodsman
>there is a white horse figurine above the FIREPLACE
>Laura just killed someone

This is the reality BOB wished for. BOB is in Laura, thats where season 4 will pick up on.

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holy shit guys lmao

check out dugpa

they're absolutely lynched to the extreme

>>87293754

Kino swimsuit.

>>87293701
Its great though, everyone thought we would be getting Coop enjoying coffee with the gang but we ended up back at square one not even knowing what to do anymore.

>>87293763
hawk's a lore fag though. he knows. and andy got lodged. frank's to busy looking at fish to get worked up.

i thought it was elegant.

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>post yfw Richard Coop, Linda, and Laura crossed over into the parallel universe where Blue Velvet happened, and Sarah Palmers house is the Beaumonts.

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>The reason she screamed wasn't because she was a rape victim troubled-teen with a drug problem and majorly schizophrenic, it was because she saw Cooper from the future hiding in the bushes

SHUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDAAAAAAAAP

>>87293601

>Laura is saved
>Pete, Catherine and Josie still existed
>Laura got wiped out

Piper Laurie confirmed for S4?

Guys, twin peaks was the only thing i looked forward to every week. It made me so happy seeing the characters I loved and them trying to save each other.

The ending just made me sad. It feels like my favorite thing let me down in exchange for another potential season. Seeing Cooper these past 2 weeks actually inspired me to have a better attitude, as autistic as that sounds. I don't know how I'm gonna keep going

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>he's trapped in another hellish reality, probably forever, already old and likely doomed to spend the rest of his life in mental and emotional anguish, forever dwelling on his failure to save yet another person he cared about and in the process erasing his lover/beloved secretary from existence if he doesn't lose his own identity first
How do you guys unironically feel about this?

>>87293759
I like this whole alternate universes/time traveling angle, but I feel it would've worked so much better if this had all happened by around midseason and we still had 6-ish episodes left to figure more stuff out.

Lynch just wanted to end in a cliffhanger though to bait Showtime into a 4th season.

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In what dream/timeline/universe does he take the cookies /tpg/?

>>87293798
Half of the people in that thread are singing its praises and talking about how they loved every scene (including that godawful Bob boxing scene)

Seems about the same as here

>>87293796
bob doesn't exist anymore.

>>87293798
I honestly don't get how people are this fucking reactionary over something that's meant to be mulled about.

Seriously, it's been what, six hours since the finale? Think about it for a few days.

>>87293703
Literally everything you can think of.

Diane was a mistake.

Her role could have very easily been Annie instead

There will be no Season 4, no movie. Let it end bros. This has been an incredible ride but there's no way another season or movie will be anywhere near as good as this. Just let the show end on the amazing lynching that was Part 18.

>>87293832
richard cool it on the cookies....

>>87293684
Andy was recently in the White Lodge. Lucy is retarded. Hawk believes in this stuff. Bobby always knew deep down there was some fantastical element to his father's work. Mitchum Brothers are just dumbfounded by it all.

>>87293814
I always thought she saw BOB in the bushes, this was not that far off but even better.

>>87293835
I wouldn't go that far. His pieces floated upwards, I bet they will gather back together.

What was Cooper's plan? Even if he got Laura home, Leland was still possessed by Bob.

>>87293703
Red square on screens? Oh shit, when was that I must have missed those.

>>87293861
annie was shit and has been soft retconned

>Time isn't linear
>Moves into all directions (both past and future)
>In FWWM it's showed how both Cooper and Laura interact with the future and the past at the same time)
>Laura's death was neccessary for the balance and flow of time, like a simple gear of a big Machine, get rid of it and the Machine will not work.

>By avoiding Laura's death, Cooper fucked up the flow of time , changing the past and the future.

How could you not get this?

Laura shouldn't be saved, but killed.

>>87293852
>it's meant to be shit

>>87293861
Too bad Lynch has a hard on for Laura Dern instead of a an actually attractive actress like heather graham

>>87293861
Yeah, but Annie was forced onto the show and Lynch doesn't want any Chr*stian themes in his works.

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>>87293684
>real Cooper finally returns to Twin Peaks
>the only person he interacts with his Andy for 2 seconds

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I'm still feeling so shook guys. The entire finale felt like endless existential horror to me, but that final scene just pushed me over the edge. That scream, the lights suddenly blowing out, the black screen, Coop's fruitless attempt to force things to somehow make sense, the utter desperation of those final minutes.
It shook me probably more than anything else I've seen. Jesus. How can anyone not get this?

Is it future or is it past?

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>>87293601
What year was it?

What happened to Audrey?

God damn I got lynched

i really hope there isnt a season 4. it wouldnt work

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>>87293885

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>>87293614

Honestly, I think the whole thing is Cooper's dream. He's been stuck in the lodge for 25 years. He's bound to be unstable, with nothing to do but fantasize about escaping and fixing everything. When Laura disappears in the woods and screams, he wakes up back in the read room with Mike sitting right next to him. And I think his dream starts again when Mike disappears and signals for him to go through the curtain. At the end, the dream collapses again because he is awoken by Laura screaming again.

Everything just goes too swiftly in the first 30 minutes of part 17 for me not to think it's a dream. And I think Cooper's face being superimposed of the scene might indicate he is indeed the dreamer.

>>87293703
Significance of Billy

And the supernatural origins of course, but that's probably never gonna get answer

>>87293861
This. Annie ages gracefully as well. Lynch just has a hard on for Laura Dern and wanted to film something else with her and Kyle. The sex scene was cringey because you knew how badly Lynch wanted to film that.

>>87293898
>film that encourages you to use your brain is shit

What I'm choosing to believe:
-Whether Laura is alive in Twin Peaks or not, this new reality is a dream constructed by Judy, and Carrie is both Laura and herself much like Richard is Cooper and Linda is Diane
-Maybe Judy is in Sarah, or maybe Sarah is inhabited by the Jumping Man and Judy is actually Mrs Tremond (not Alice, the original Mrs Tremond)

Right or wrong, I will be happy with another season/movie but also if it's done for good. The plot isn't important in the long run, what is achieved in that final scene is far beyond plot and will last forever.

>>87293876
laura was still old; it was still the current year.

dale was hoping to reunite laura with sarah.

dale did not realize that sarah was judy/mother, and did not expect to find an obstacle in meeting sarah

he only had to question himself about what year it was because he couldn't figure out what went wrong

>>87293933
Thanks, totally missed that... heh.

>>87293872
bob himself is small time now, though. sure HE wanted laura but he literally doesn't matter since mother shit out 74326598234592 eggs.

https://www.youtube.com/user/sesska53/

Has anyone else seen this ladies reactions to the episodes so far? She's about to get fucking lynched.

>>87293779
Considering how much Laura's death affected things though, it's hard to say.

>>87293658
now THIS HAS TO BE BAIT r-right?

>>87293898
t. reactionary brainlet

>>87293915
>How can anyone not get this?
It's almost like people have different tastes or something

>>87293701
It was depressing but brilliant, the ending was classic Lynch.

>>87293941
NONEXISTENCE

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Top: Lynch
Bottom: Everyone else

>>87293718
Most people believe it's Judy/Experiment/Sarah that fucked Coop over

>>87293945
That's not what I said.

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>>87293658

>>87293695
>ya blew it

>>87293930
Cooper was already in the Lodge before Laura died thanks to nonlinear Lodge time.

What if he's done this whole reality rewriting thing before, dozens of times already? What if he's creating timeline after timeline, fucking things up for himself and everyone each time?

Why would Cooper want to bring Laura back to her mom Judy if she existed in a reality where she didn't die?

With the direction of the last ep and changing names of characters and memories,

lynch literally invalidated our connections with the show up to that point.

Our connection to this feeling of being lost is with cooper (richard) who clearly is not being himself but has most of his capabilities in check, and laura, whos very presence is unnerving as shes not supposed to be alive, and has no recollection of why that is important. But laura trusts this man, cooper, as we do. His intentions are not exposed, but as we saw since he woke up at the hospital, we are led to believe cooper has his own plans to fix everything, as booper did to murder everything.

These two displaced characters are our only remaining sense of security with the finale until the protag finally realizes that something is wrong and we learn he actually does not know everything, and the resurrected heroine screams. the scream itself can have many reasons, but i believe it resonated with us not because it was shocking, but because it has been built up to that point thru a series of loss. note how cooper returned to twin peaks, defeats booper, and immediately leaves. there is no joyful reunion thanks to his ominous face overlayed. he is reunited with diane, then lost again. then we are reunited with twin peaks again, but everything's different. its twin peaks, but its not. THE AUDIENCE ENDURED IT ALL SILENTLY BECAUSE WE BELIEVED IN COOP. THE MOMENT WHERE COOP REALIZES HE FUCKED UP, HE IS LITERSLLY IN ANOTHER DIMENSION WITHOUT A FUCKING PADDLE, IS WHEN WE FEEL LIKE SCREAMING. AND LAURA OF COURSE DOES IT FOR US, ADDING ONTO THE PILE OF SHIT COOP NOW HAS TO DEAL WITH, WHILE WE ARE LEFT WRITHING BECAUSE WE WERE LYNCHED SO HORRIBLY

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What did she mean by this?

>>87293861
The whole Diane character/story was shitty. From unseen secretary to bitchy rape victim to soulmate. It was weird.

>>87293964
I think you'll find many truths depending on how you look at it. I acknowledge how unusual it sounds. But Twin Peaks is unusual and Lynch is a mystery.

>>87293982
What you said isn't what the previous person said either, friend.

I think there's just two worlds. Like Mike says between two worlds the magician longs to see.

>>87293791
That actually makes sense, Phillip Jeffries shows Coop the number 8 or infinity sign. It's highly likely Coop has been doing this for a very long time.

unironically love the leaping lad. best use of 4 seconds of screen time ever..

>>87293949
>The plot isn't important in the long run, what is achieved in that final scene is far beyond plot and will last forever.
The significance of the shows original run, and the cultural impact of 'Who killed Laura Palmer'? will outshine ending of the return, I guarantee it.

>>87293957
I can't believe people actually watch shit like this.

>>87294009
I'm not your friend

>>87294002
Christ what an ungrateful bitch. These people are allowed to vote?

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>was expecting happy ending with the gang eating pie and coffee
>got an EoE tier ending instead

just what I wanted

>>87293991
"It is 2:53 in Las Vegas, and that adds up to a ten, the number of completion."

Jeffries shows the number 8, or possibly an infinity symbol. This isn't the first time this has happened

>>87293701
Yeah, I kind came to the realization of what was going on at the same time as him.

>>87294001
Laura screamed at the end because her memory came back.

Not gonna lie I got a bit teary when Coop met young Laura and OH ANGELO kicked in.

>>87294024
I was just curious what someone outside of 4chan thinks of the return because I know zero people who are watching.

when cooper is standing on the street I swear I can hear those scratching sounds from the gramophone.....

>>87293773
Maybe. Jeffries didn't know what year it was either when he appeared.

>>87293802
I literally just finished watching it. I'm confused as shit, but I'm not mad or disappointed. I just find myself wondering how anybody who's familiar with David Lynch and the Twin Peaks universe itself could ever have expected any kind of positive ending.

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>>87293601
EVERYONE PRETEND YOU LIKED EPISODE 18

>>87294022
On the whole perhaps, but to the people who have followed intently this ending is so perfectly resonant.

>>87293991

I don't think there is a "timeline" at all.

The lodge space is the "real world" and the real world is just a dream.

From the perspective of lodge inhabitants a character from a dream can enter their own real world and live there with them, learning their complex rules. Through the lodge you can enter various dream-realities and mess around in there. That's why time is something they can rewind or move through, it's like a simulation for them or a movie they watch (the white lodge even has a movie screen there).

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>tfw big o did it better

Just got done watching it you guys its was KINO AS FUCK!!!!!!

based Lynch does it once again

>>87293701
It makes it worse when you think about what happened to Diane.

Cooper L I T E R A L L Y erased everything and everyone meaningful that has ever happened to him, even the last person alive who loves him. Even Laura as we know her is gone.

This guy used to be absolutely flawless when it came to being intelligent, so to see him completely alone and horrified and at a loss for what to do is heartbreaking.

>>87294056
no another season wouldn't be as good as s3

just let it go. it's been a wild ride, but the ride is over.

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>The Fireman took Laura as Coop was leading her through the forest and hid her from Judy as Carrie Paige.
>This is why Sarah/Judy smashes the photo of Laura - she has lost her
>But Coop still thinks Laura needs saving
>Wrongly trusts entities (MIKE and Jeffries) to put him on the path of being a saviour.
>Jeffries cryptically notes Gordon will remember if he speaks with him
>Thinks he went back in time linearly - thinks Laura is Laura just because she look like her
>He himself isn't Coop but 'Richard'
>While driving, it feels like someone is following them, but then it doesn't
>Upon the realization that the Palmer's aren't there, is immediately disorientated
>Doesn't even know what year it is
>Judy catches up with Laura - most likely by following Coop
This makes the most amount of sense to me, mainly because it has two functions:
1) A stand alone ending
2) A way to continue the series by relying only on three original cast members

>>87293779
Eckhardt gave them the key as a final fuck you to them after his death. He died because Josie killed him. Josie was only in a room with him because she was about to be taken in by the FBI for shooting Cooper, who never would've been in TP if Laura had lived.

>>87294056
please no. it would not work

>>87294002
What's this a reply to? This is fucking useless without context

You know why its called Twin Peaks?

Because you'll get a good glimpse into to similar but different timelines then turn 360 and walk away

>>87293771
Cole: "...an extreme negative force called jiao dai" => Lynch telling us that explaining things, completing things or handing things over to us is the worst thing he can think of doing.

>>87293894

(Cont.)

Cooper thought Laura's death was something that should be avoided because it was "forced" by the black lodge, when in reality it was something that should've been preserved.

Just like Dirk Gently and the time loop.

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>>87294028
How the fuck is this like EoE at all?

EoE isn't cliffhanger. EoE doesn't really leave any plots unresolved. EoE is even more clear cut overall with what is meant to be going on.

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all in her head desu

>>87293798
Personally, I'm just fucking baffled at the series, but I didn't hate it.

I think these reactions are from people who set themselves up with stupid expectations and expectations of what they think Lynch does.

>>87294092
some troll was bothering her

I just found what she said very weird

>>87293771
>jai dai literally means 'to explain'
>Cooper is searching for the explanation to what's going on
>the audience is obsessed with everything being explained and knowing who Judy is

We go so Lynched this season I almost feel bad.

I loved it

>>87294115
*record scratch*

>>87294088
Thanks, I thought there must have been someway Laura's death was connected but wasn't sure.

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>>87294115

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>>87294112
>>87294028
This was nothing like EoE. It was more like the third movie

I'm looking forward to Leland becoming a new spirit who possesses people in search of Laura, causing them to cry, dance, and yell "LAAURAA!"

>>87294117
Man, I just started the 6th season of Buffy (and 3rd of Angel), this looks like it will be a cool episode

Is "What year is it?" the new How's Annie?

BLURAY
FUCKING
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

>>87292743
hahaha

>>87294117
all in her mind?
how could i have ever been so wrong!

>>87294087
All I want to know is why was Coop suddenly so stupid

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The ending was good

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGUboLZx3Tk

I really hope we somehow get a 4th season but honestly, I'm glad to have experienced this utter madness with you faggots.

Goodbye, frenlos.

>>87294067
big o was trash. Wish it wasn't because damn production values. But ultimately it had a shit director

>>87294147
>watching the rebuilds

I think it's better to just imagine that those movies simply don't exist.

>>87294112
If you ignore the reset, you have two main characters alone in a fucked up world with no direction

>>87294056
There is nothing left to show.

>>87293833
I liked the Bob vs One Punch m8 scene actually. They managed to still make Bob scary even though Frank Silva is dead. If I didn't know he was dead I would have guessed he filmed all those facial expressions.

is cooper still alive or did he die when the lights went out too?

>>87294120
I'm 100% with you. My very first exposure to Lynch was Eraserhead when I was 15 years old, after reading it was an inspiration for Silent Hill 2. I learned the hardest way possible that he doesn't like making things clear for the viewer. I knew better than to expect something that was this much of a pet project for him to wrap up in a way that made any kind of immediate sense, and the only thing that confuses me more right now than the ending is what anybody else actually expected.

>>87294181
I never watched them (mostly due to comments like this) but what's wrong with them?

>>87294181
They're much better. You can see anno having matured as a writer.

>>87294120
I don't hate it either. No matter what, the last 17 episodes were absolutely stellar and better than anything seasons 1 and 2 had combined.

It just left me incredibly depressed, which I guess was the point, but also with a bad taste in my mouth. Lynch is a very old fashioned dude when it comes to happy and unhappy endings; they always come deserved and well-earned. This just felt really needlessly meanspirited.

>>87294164
He wasn't stupid. Don't forget that he isn't entirely Coop - he's part Richard also. And as another anon pointed out last thread, Coop thinks with his heart and not his head. He fails to learn from his mistakes and creates unforeseen consequences in an attempt to do the just thing.

>>87294155
It's okay, but 2bh, you already passed most of the REALLY good episodes. It took a nosedive in quality after S5.

>>87293817
Maybe Josie too, it was weird seeing her again in that flashback.

>>87294210
Cooper's probably similar to Jeffries in that he's no longer either alive or dead in the traditional sense. He's with the lodge.

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>saves Diane
>leaves Diane to go through the door
>meets Diane at the lodge again
>takes her with him to a parallel dimension
>makes her awkwardly kiss him
>makes her awkwardly fuck him
>he's so shit at it she reverts to some other personality and leaves him
>doesn't even flinch and instead drives off

>>87294092
She is mad at Lynch and wants to kill him

>>87294207
This. Especially the part where he got punched so hard he was sent to the depths of hell or some shit and fire spewed out.

>>87294217
not enough harem chuuni isekai for their taste. Not enough moe.

>>87294164
He thought with his heart instead of his better judgment and let his good intentions cloud his wisdom. So, basically classic Coop.

>>87294223
>Don't forget that he isn't entirely Coop - he's part Richard also.
Not even a shred of evidence to suggest this.

>>87294207
He was defeated by a new character that we had no reason to care about, without too much trouble at all. It felt like such a copout. Killed any scariness for me.

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Who were some of the influences for the new season? Bergman, Kafka and Kubrick are pretty clear.

reminder mike and the giant literally lead him here

wtf? coop was just following what he thought was going to fix things. they fucking tricked him.

>>87294164
>suddenly

>>87293817
Apparently Piper Laurie wanted to do this season but Lynch couldn't find a plotline for her.

>>87294032
where else has it happened?

>>87294115
>I dun goofed

>>87294181
There's nothing wrong with the rebuilds. Even the most die-hard Evangelion purist should be able to take a step back and accept that they didn't remove the original episodes from existence.

At the very least you should be able to enjoy them for the vastly improved fight scenes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdU8dyjgXU0

>>87294223
>He wasn't stupid.
"I'll just go back and stop her from being killed, i'm sure there wont be any lasting repercussions from meddling with time."
Seems pretty stupid

fuck twin peaks

fuck you guys for hyping me for it

i will not watch another season

this shit is fucking gay

fuck you guys

i'm done

>>87294257

>Coop always wants coffee
>Mr C refuses coffee
>Richard doesn't acknowledge it one way or the other

>>87294226
Actually, I thought season 5 was awesome and season 4 was pretty bad, even though its finale was my favorite episode of the series up to now

You can't beat having Angelus be the big bad, so I'm already okay with the show not being as great as it was because it simply can't (and Angel is a better show anyway)

what was the music in the credits?

>>87294223
>He wasn't stupid. Don't forget that he isn't entirely Coop - he's part Richard also.
source: your ass

We don't know who Richard is, and like I keep saying, we have absolutely no reason to believe another Dale Cooper doesn't exist in the new world. It's not like his life was tied to Laura's like everyone in Twin Peaks.

>>87294293
we don't care what you thought

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What's the point of this transformation if BOB was spawned as an orb and ended as an orb?

>tfw last time shitposting into early morning after a new episode

it's won't be the same m8s. may the road rise up to meet your wheels.

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Twin Peaks really encapsulates the madness of reality. We keep asking for a new season, a new episode, surely everything will be resolved next week right? We kept waiting for the next Sunday and then the next Sunday to roll around so we could start making sense of all of the loose ends. Now we get to the (as far as we know) series finale and the ending is as dark as it is definitive... so what do most normal people do? Start begging for a new season, a new chance to right the wrongs, fix the world and give us a satisfying ending that gets wrapped up in a neat little bow so we can move on with our lives.

But even if we get a fourth season, that'll never happen. It'll end just like this one, and it'll haunt us for the rest of our lives. Twin Peaks is genius.

An entire fucking season just finished and I still have no clue what happened.

>You're in the water
>I'm standing on the shore
>Still thinking that I hear your voice
>Can you hear me?
>At night I'm driving in your car
>Pretending that we'll leave this town
>We're watching all the street lights fade
>And now you're just a stranger's dream
>I took your picture from the frame
>And now you're nothing like you seem
>Your shadow fell like last night's rain
>For the last time
>For the last time
>For the last time
>For the last time

>>87294319
That's Sarah Palmer being prepared as a vessel for Judy.

>>87293614
>waaahhhh a tv show where a cast isn't needlessly picked off one by one like a glorified snuff film

>>87294237
How the fuck did gordon know about jeffries? Jeffries did the exact same thing as coop not realising what the date was and then he was gone.
So does that mean gordon can still communicate with jeffries somehow? and does it mean he will be able to communicate with gordon?

Maybe coop will visit gordon in his dreams

NONEXISTENCE

MIKE saying the fire walk with me poem was the best scene of The Return.

>>87294297
He's in a completely new world with no idea what happened to Diane or where Laura is or what he should do now. I think he can be forgiven for not having coffee on his mind just this once.

>>87294135
At that point, Coop heard a sound, didn't he? It was the same sound he heard when he was leading Laura through the woods and she disappeared. The same sound the Fireman was playing on the gramophone in the very beginning of the season.

Literally just finished watching. The one thing I am completely stumped about is whether the ending was intended to be a happy or a sad one.
I'm erring more toward the sad, that Coop fucked-up reality and rendered Laura's suffering worthless. I enjoyed it, but it's left me feeling pretty down and hollow.

What's the consensus /tpg/? Happy or sad? I am so confused.

> You've gone soft in your old age
> Not where it counts, buddy

What did he mean by this?

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>This is the water and this is the well. Drink full, and descend. The horse is the white of the eyes, and dark within.

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Could we have been any more lynched?

What did Laura whisper to Coop?

>>87294349
brgiss

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>after 16 episodes finally gets his mind back
>barely any screen time of him just being Coop, only in Twin Peaks for like 3 minutes before teleportation to some different dimension

He could have at least thrown us a bone and have him act coop like in the new dimension.

i was going to watch the finale and stay up all night having fun and memeing but instead i got spooked so fucking hard that im lying in bed hoping sleep takes me

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>>87294293

>>87294319
>sarah palmer as a thirteen year old girl in 1956

That'd mean she was seventy four years old in S3.

>>87294329
18 fucking hours of content and only the Dougie and the Ed + Norma storylines got resolved (and immediately destroyed and made nonexistent by idiot Part 18 Cooper)

>the frost and lynch logo was silent

who else got completely spooked by that?

Episode 16 is depressing as fuck in hindsight

>>87294373
Here, let me think for you. I know its hard to think and come up with opinions in 2017 when most people ask others to come up with opinions for them

Here you go

>>87294373
Clearly it was supposed to be sad, you autist

>>87294260
pfft

I cared about Freddy and his story of how he got his super powers. It was like a satire on capeshit.

>>87294381
"you can stick it anywhere you want"

>deep fried guns
Peak Americana desu

>>87294382
uhhhhh briggs. maybe I should sleep.

From what I understand, there's now four Coopers
>New Dougie Jones, the only Cooper left in the original timeline
>The Cooper from the new altered timeline who we haven't seen but should logically exist
>The original Cooper now stuck in an alternate reality
>Doppelganger Cooper, who's now stuck in the Black Lodge and on fire

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>>87294217
>>87294288
I genuinely believe that Anno made the rebuilds as a fuck you to the stereotypical loser anime fan who fawns over Evangelion but doesn't actually 'get it'. Where the original series bucks or even mocks the shitty tropes of the anime that came before it, rebuild is nothing but the literal worst of these tropes. It's like he made Evangelion again with all the standard embarrassing anime bullshit just to show people how fucking horrible that stuff is.

Mark my words, he'll never make 3.0+1.0 because he knows how much of a fantastic fuck you it will be to the drooling otaku retards who like the rebuilds if he never actually makes it.

>>87294185
Yah but it's not a mystery why they're there or where they are.

>>87294352
The line is NON-EXIST-ENT, anon.

>>87294397
LUL

>>87294395
>destroyed and made nonexistent
Still think this is a silly way of thinking about that.

>>87294335
stop making me want to kill myself

I was just thinking that the windows are open in the final scene of the house yet we don't see either of the two "people" supposedly in the house. creepy.

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>>87294375

>tfw this was a joke about Gordon's benis but also reflects the fact that David could have gone for a sappy fanservice ending, taking a bow as he received love and acclaim but it he's still the same outlaw Lynch that he always has been

Based.

>>87294373
It's definitely sad.

Cooper and Laura are trapped in an even worse world than the Black Lodge, and Cooper is showing signs that he might lose his identity. There's no way for them to escape or return to the old world and Cooper's transparent image during the sheriff's office scenes show him on the verge of breaking down.

So yeah. Bad end. This makes season 2's finale look like a happy ending.

>>87294393
wait, is the hatchling BOB or Judy? I thought it was BOB

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>>87294379
This was above the FIREPLACE in Laura's house, which is "THE SITE" where the Principal's head blew up. And there is a dead guy in Laura's house. BOB has something to do with this new Laura.

>>87294397
But that universe is still there. Everyone but Cooper got their happy ending.

>>87294393

Grace Zabriskie is 76 years old.

Cooper became Future Trunks or Marty Mcfly?

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>>87294373
>happy

>>87294393
The actress is 76

>>87294379
That fucking episode gave me nightmares

>>87294393

That really doesn't seem that outrageous. I know it'd make her older than Leland by quite a bit though.

>>87294397
Yeah, what we all thought was a great moment of triumph with Coop heading back into Peaks is just pride before the fall, in retrospect.

>>87294435
>BOB
orb spawned by the experiment
>judy
malevolent spirit from ages past, never explained
>experiment
malevolent spirit presumably created or released by the trinity test, also never explained

It's possible that Judy and the experiment are the same being.

>>87294435
That's debatable. You hear a horse right after the bug/thing crawls into the girl's mouth, and the horse is definitely a BOB thing. Also, the frog thing has a nose kind of like BOB.

>>87294375
He'd rather go to Chuck's than Sneed's if you know what I mean.

>>87294433
>This makes season 2's finale look like a happy ending.
That's what I told my friend before he started watching.

>I'm about to watch
>prepare your butthole
>uh oh why
>let's just say it makes the season 2 ending look like a happy ending

He got thoroughly Lynched.

>>87294451
looking pretty good for 76, desu

>>87294395
>destroyed and made nonexistent

Coop is in another dimension, the other dimension where those storylines are still exists.

>>87294443
Uh, Audrey?

>>87294385
I'm starting to seriously believe Lynch hates Cooper as a character.

>>87294406
It's not very satirical to have him actually fulfill his destiny and defeat Bob. That's just capeshit at that point

why did mike and the giant lead cooper down this path? they tricked him.

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>>87294373
Of course it was sad.

We got lynched into thinking it might turn out happy til the end of part 17.

>>87294306
>source: your ass
No, it's from observation. He doesn't act entirely like Cooper and the note refers to him as Richard. It's not a hard connection to make, nor is it a wrong one.
>another Dale Cooper
>exist in the new world
People like you complicate these types of stories to the point where more questions than answers exist, which is completely pointless. There's enough reason to believe it's just one world and a parallel dimension where the lodge, which not only makes it simpler but more realistic. Going the additional dimensions and multiverse route is capeshit-tier useless garbage

>>87294421
The thing is - the fuck do I care if Laura's death is prevented? Is that really the point of the series? Was I supposed to root for Cooper being a moron? What does saving her even accomplish, BOB is already dead!

Oh, she's supposed to go on to defeat The Experiment? Who even cares about that?! You have so many of these great characters and actors and you focus on those you've been jerking off to for the last like 30 years

>>87294389
iktf I'm kinda scared to shut off my laptop. That finale left me with such a weird feeling.

>Dougie Jones is back with Janey E and son
>the guy who cheats on her and loses thousands to gangsters
>this is supposed to be a good thing

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I've seen a lot of criticism so far but nobody criticized this scene. Fucking kek, this was the only time in the whole series I was Lynched.

The one, concrete thing I know after Part 18 is that Kyle Machlachlan is the best actor on TV. He deserves all the awards.

>>87294443
>But that universe is still there. Everyone but Cooper got their happy ending.
What are you basing this on?

>>87294115
>I've made a huge mistake

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reminder that King of Queens is part of the twin peaks universe

>>87294513
the new dougie was made from pure cooper

>>87294399
>>87294401
>>87294433
>>87294496
What about the arguments that he saved Laura from Judy? And that was the reason Sarah was spazzing-out and failing to puncture Laura's picture? She (as Judy) was angry she couldn't eliminate Laura.

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I'm just sad I can't watch anymore kino on sundays with you guys, there's nothing else I want to watch on tv these days.

>>87294451
>>87294456
Damn, good point. Grace Zabriskie was born in '41, so New Mexico Girl would be 15 years old. It fits.

New Mexico girl is a young Sarah Palmer, infested by Judy. Judy is also the experiment released by the Trinity test, giving birth to BOB. BOB subsequently infests Leland. BOB's host and Judy's host create Laura.

>>87294490
He's literally a gary stu though. Most likely his self-insert

>>87294513
That version of Dougie was made from the doppleganger.

>>87294490
He's probably say something like "if you want the old coop just watch season 1 and 2"

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>he defends the BOB Orb punching scene

>>87294514
what the fuck did mr c turn into when exiting

>>87294239
she didn't revert to another personality during the motel sex

she swapped with that universe's diane (the one who peeks out from the motel pillar) and that diane went in to awkwardly fuck coop

>>87294370

he wasn't too concerned about Diane to be honest

>>87294514
that was pretty funny
i was giggling

>>87294514
when you look at Lynch's non-film art you see he actually really digs this stuff

probably helps that he didn't grow up with image manipulation software

>>87294532
At what point does Sarah Palmer get possessed?

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WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO AUDREY

>>87294482
Having some version of a living Laura Palmer with him is Coop's only asset right now, so he's at least he's not totally hopeless.

>>87294520
Why would it not be? It shows it still exists in episode 18 when Dougie goes home.

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>yfw a washing machine turns up in S4 to sing 'The World Spins'

>>87294494
They just wanted their fucking garmonbozia, but they had to put up with Cooper for 25 years, where all he would do was drone on and on about "this damn fine coffee and pie at the Double R" and how "you should really use your Lodge abilities to help out the Tibetan people". They just wanted to get rid of him.

>>87294463
I think Judy is more ancient than the experiment. She's on the old Indian map, which obviously is older than the nuclear bomb.

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>>87294532
so is one tree hill

You guys are retarded, real Cooper went to Janey-E and Sonny Jim and now is having the happiest life possible.

>>87294542
>He's literally a gary stu though

How?

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Give me more stupid memes from this general I love you all.

>>87294501
>No, it's from observation. He doesn't act entirely like Cooper and the note refers to him as Richard. It's not a hard connection to make, nor is it a wrong one.
Kyle said in the interview that's been posted here dozens of times that Cooper with his memories back and everything is STILL COOPER. He's just more quiet and grim, and we've seen that for sure in this episode. Now that he's in a new world and has no clue how to proceed, he's not going to be cheerful and peppy.

Keep in mind that he woke up in a completely new hotel from the one he and Diane went to. It's entirely possible that Diane just faded from existence and he physically ended up in Richard's place the same way he ended up in Dougie's place.

But that's not the current hot new reddit theory so that's less appealing, huh?

>>87294569
Did the midget and the roadhouse even really exist?

>>87294532
Same with Donald Trump

Is there anything in the windows of the palmer house?

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>>87294579

>>87293943
Frost here with a piece of trivia for you. We actually used David's hands for the shot of Coop fondling Diane's tits.

TWIN PEAKS IS FUCKING GAY

YOU ARE ALL

>LYNCHED

>>87294433
>an even worse world than the Black Lodge
How? Is it a cowboy dystopia or what? Other than people being different, how is it bad?

>>87294569
You will NEVER find out.

>>87294538
Don't worry, there's guaranteed to be permanent /tpg/ threads given the amount of disagreement there is regarding the plot.

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>>87294600
whoops wrong one

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>look up my hot new "more coffee?"-fu
>she's married to THAT

just fuck my shit UP

>>87294491
But it was funny and ridiculous.

>>87294514
>Producers: Y-y-yes Lynch, that scene looks great! I think you don't need to make any changes

>>87294581
The nuke didn't create the Experiment. It created a portal to the Black Lodge where Judy/Experiment resided.

They really shouldn't have made this. They should have left it as it was.

>>87294552
There's nothing wrong with it. All the important Twin Peaks characters in one room to see Bob defeated.

>>87294537
Doesn't matter. Laura was better off dead. There's nothing that proved she was in any real danger while dead. Cooper didn't really save her; if anything, he put her back in the line of fire and now he's given her an identity crisis to deal with.

>>87294617
hey mark I dunno where lynch got those lines about the jao die but i'm sure it came from a brilliant mind. I would buy a book or three from him that's for sure.

Who was that hulk dude with the fake british accent that Lynch hamfisted into such an important role?

>season 4 will end up being a prequel season of the wacky shenanigans Cooper gets up to in the Red Room with MIKE, The Arm and other zany lodge spirits before season 3 starts

>>87294574
If that's the case, the ending of 18 isn't really the gutpunch I thought it was. It's only really sad for Coop personally.

>>87294415

Richard too.

>>87294514

Is this a screencap from the latest Myst sequel?

>>87294514
Briggs head reminded me of the Wizard of Oz

Who else enjoyed the Death Grips song at the end?

Does anyone else hear the scratchy gramophone sound when cooper and laura are standing outside the house?

what happened to Audrey?

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>>87293614
This is the correct take. Lynch isn't good without someone controlling him.

>>87294646
He probably originally intended it to be James but then he had a dream about a guy with a cockney British accent.

>>87294570
Well we know Diane is somewhere in whatever universe he's in, though she thinks she's Linda.

>>87294660
It's not important.

>>87294659
yes >>87294046

>>87293614
Despite all the memes I bet Lynch would have actually had Death Grips on if he had 100% control

man the reality switch halfway into ep 18 was very mulholland drive. i loved it. i loved the ending. would've been disappointed with closure and questions answered

>>87294631
What a great way to culminate one of the main storylines from 17 hours of TV

>>87294621
>everyone that Cooper has ever loved, everything good he's ever done, every meaningful connection he's ever made, doesn't exist anymore
>he's truly alone now
At least in the Lodge he seemed at peace come the end of FWWM.

>>87294661
So his only good film is Dune? Because he's had final cut on everything else.

>>87294641
Defeated by punching

The Return Missing Pieces when?

>>87294628
kek

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>>87294657
Judy?

>>87294610
No, watched it like a hawk cause I thought something was gonna appear or a light would flicker or something, but nothing.

Just Laura's name being called.

>>87294570
Gordon.

>>87294659
Yes, I thought so too.

>>87294640
they really should have, considering it's better than the first two seasons

>>87293932

Lynch can make anything work.

>>87294410
underrated post

>>87294579

lol

>>87294660
I suspect she was actually stuck in a coma from the bank vault explosion and that scene with the white room was her coming to realize her situation in the dream world.

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I love how buttblasted reddit is absolutely fucking L Y N C H E D

>>87294698
No proof of this. Who says she wrote the letter and left? For all we know, she could've just disappeared.

>>87294602
Sorry, but any information that exists outside the works of Twin Peaks is literally irrelevant - especially interviews. If you go by the interview, than the note Diane leaves behind is literally pointless.
>It's entirely possible that Diane just faded from existence
I have a reason to believe Richard is part Coop via information that exists within the episode. You don't even have that to enforce this point.
>and he physically ended up in Richard's place the same way he ended up in Dougie's place
And Dougie was full Coop? Are you serious? Also
>reddit spacing
>calls me reddit

>>87294641
Defeated by a character that has had minimal screentime and that few people really care about

>>87294514

>Twin Peaks: the point and click adventure game

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>>87294514
>mfw I saw this scene

just finished it, were the 2003-fags right?

>>87294702
Is it possible the other 'reality' is just Laura dreaming and Coop has somehow got himself stuck in her mind?

>>87294764
What are you talking about? Everyone there is sucking his dick.

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>tfw finding peace at the end of fwwm
>tfw when now

>>87293693

I like the ending if there's a season 4. Otherwise you can't compare this ending to the ending of FWWM.

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>shows up at the end just for ridiculous shit to be going on
>whatever, still getting cucked and my ex is fucking chads just a few feet away from me

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Is this guy important in some way?