So it's pretty much agreed that this is the exact moment

>Make one episode more of a sitcommy story of a boy getting caught shoplifting and having to deal with the repercussions and moral guilt
>Simpsons nerds start to curse its name because of The Zombie Simpsons

Look I really like Dead Homer's Society, no other blog went meticulous to explain everything that went wrong with The Simpsons, but they're being jerks for attacking the episode.

the correct answer is "beyond blunderdome" There were great episodes after that but basis for decline was laid when that episode aired

>>87247703
nah i liked thay episode

>>87247703
this episode is classic. fight me irl

>>87247828
You really have to wonder why the writers thought the show needed a sitcom-esque "special episode" played straight with Bart acting wildly out of character. The jokes for this ep in particular are pretty paper-thin as well.

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No

You Only Move Twice started the decline of The Simpsons

>>87247993
>Season 11
Holy fuck man, I think most people would put the decline way before that.

The Principal and the Pauper

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>>87247703
No

Sneed

>>87248896
Ha...funny

>>87248708

I kno, but when I started watched simpsons from beginning during last couple months, beyond blunderdome simply hit me like "hey.. this feels like modern simpsons.. baad vibes"

>>87247703
>that episode where Homer starts to write his online conspiracy blog

the episode with the Sneeds feed and sneed was the true decline

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>Sneed-Ai (Formerly Chuck-Ai)

A Chuck falls in love with a Sneed.

Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the man's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls him, and is overjoyed to find out that he has a crush on him as well.

But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to the male, he only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the boy he called is not the same boy he fell in love with. In fact, he doesn't exist in this universe at all. He is the bear's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the male's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of his crush.

Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of FEEDS and SEEDS.

>>87248078
Bart was characterized as somebody who was much more interested in being seen as edgy than that bad a kid at heart. He was a softie next to Nelson, Kearney, Jimbo, and Dolph.

The Simpsons making its characters into stock caricatures helped accelerate the shows decline.

>>87249419
He is right in that the episode had very few real jokes.

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Why was Sneed such a prick to Homer?

>>87247703

The Principal and the Pauper is probably the official breaking point of the Simpsons writing

Simpsons jumped the shark with Principal and the Pauper and it officially died with Maude.

>>87249537
>>87249566
Based Principal and the Pauper posters.

>>87249079
Just watch something like "Simpson Tide" from season 9 and tell me it isn't liquid fucking dog shit

And I am a person who thinks "The Principal and the Pauper" isn't even all that bad

>>87247703
>season 7
lol it's like there's an ongoing pissing match to see who can like the least seasons of the simpsons before declaring that it "went to shit"

>>87247828
even when i was a kid watching this i hated this episode, and i didn't know why. It's basic and easy, and worst of all boring. Every aspect is predictable and formulaic

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SNEEDS, FEED AND SEED!

>>87249722
FORMERLY CHUCK'S

>>87249675
I think most people would say season 7 is great with the exception of "Marge Be Not Proud". It's the first episode that doesn't mock sitcoms, and instead just plays it completely straight.

>>87249255
>>>/a/

>>87249675
Seasons 5-8 are good, but they have a different tone compared to seasons 1-4. Some of my favorite episodes are post-season 4 because of that tonal shift. Season 9 and onward is bad though.

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>>87247703

During my most recent watch of The Simpsons I started skipping episodes around season 10 and quit on the episode with the hobo in the train car.

>>87249772

What's wrong with you? That episode was fucking great.

>>87250022
>TEH AUDIENCE WAS INVESTED IN SKINNER'S BACKSTORY, IT'S INSULTING!!!
lol harry shearer was being such a whiny little bitch in that quote

The last legitimately and consistently good Simpsons season was season 6.

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>>87249255

>>87250022
Total kino hair

>>87249255

Already a thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcVGDV67L-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_rz1bluG_k
http://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/keit-ai/list?title_no=36825

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>>87249255
>>87249359
>>87249508
>>87249722
>>87249763

>>87250340
Fuck off

It's a weak episode but you can't really blame them for doing something a little different.

>>87250340
>Season 11
It's shit

>>87249722

CHUCKS. FUCK. AND. SUCK.

>>87247703

If Dead Homers didn't write about that episode, nobody would even think it was the first bad episode. You fucking phony, OP.

>>87250340
haha
it's real, oh my god.

>liking anything past the Tracy Ulman shorts

Wow. This board really is full of plebs.

>>87250389
OP here, I've never liked this episode. DHS only summarized why it's bad.

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-They work for the mercenary, the sucketta man.
-Chuck?
-Aye.
-Get them on board, I'll call feed in.

>>87250340
Death of the Author. Just because Ian wrote it doesn't mean that's the only way the line can be interpreted.

Now to get back on topic, Chuck's Feed and Sneed?

>>87248078
>Bart acting wildly out of character

Except his character was always as mischievous young boy who liked playing pranks, not future hardened criminal. Spray painting El Barto somewhere is a lot different from straight theft

>>87250507
>Spray painting El Barto somewhere is a lot different from straight theft
how? you think young rebellious kids don't shoplift?

>>87250022

It's not true just because some Paddy said so.

>>87250507
>vandalizing = okay
>theft = WHOA, TOO FAR
I know Marge only draws the line because it's Christmas, but it's a pretty weak excuse.

>>87250656
Boys will be boys

>>87250656

So what do you think about Bart's Girlfriend then, when Bart thought stealing the collection plate money was too far?

>>87247703
This episode was great.
You sound like a massive faggot that enjoys flanderization rather than complex characters with depth and development.

Decline started later.
Around season 9 or so.

>>87250818
He only thinks it's bad then because she's stealing donation money from a church, and not just shoplifting random shit from a store.

>>87249255
>>87250292
https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139/1/Keit-AI-Tomoyuki-x-Seiko-Keit%E6%84%9B-%E5%A5%89%E6%96%87-x-%E8%81%96%E5%AD%90

>>87250913
Exactly.

>>87250936
Yeah? I mean it's completely different contexts.

>>87250913
>>87250936

"Jessica, you're turning me into a criminal when all I want to be is a petty thug".

I'm pretty sure shoplifting something of that price makes him a criminal. I WOULD say it's too far.

>>87250913
And in this episode he thinks it's bad because his mom chastized him about it and made him feel guilty.

Yeah, newsflash, little boys (which is what Bart is) can be influenced by parenting. Even the rebellious ones.
It's easy to not feel as guilty when you don't get caught.

>>87251036
Shoplifting is as petty as crime gets, man.

>>87250656
He never got caught spraypainting

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>>87250470
A truly daring synthesis

>>87250022
>Up yours, children

Season 9 still had Lisa's sax, the Cartridge family, The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons, Bart Carny, Simpson Tide, Lisa the Simpson and Girly Edition. They were all passable. "Lost our Lisa" was personally the episode that started the decline and season 10 was all downhill.

>>87247703
Bart is such a manlet. those heels just make it so much more cringy

>>87247703
The show went to shit with Marge vs. The Monorail. 1-3 were the only good seasons.

>>87249093
I am not a number, I am a man! And don't you ever for- Oh wait, I'm number 5.

>>87247828
I think it's fishing for new material at this point. We ALL KNOW the episodes that did it, but we need even more for more epic classic Simpsons tear downs to truly, epicly reveal the downfall of the show!

>>87253012
Most of those episodes fucking suck, dude. I'd even say that Simpson Tide is the worst episode of season 9.

>>87247703
The moment I realized the show is dead for good was when I saw the episode where Homer crashed into Kim Basinger's house.

>>87250533
>>87250656

>lmao all crimes are the same

Faggots

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>>87248669
>You Only Move Twice started the decline of The Simpsons

Yeah. A lot of people view it as an iconic episode but the writing is very lazy. It's one of the first episodes I remember with the terrible "dialogue states something then it happens" jokes.

If I remember rightly Marge says something like "the house is practically falling apart" then the chimney falls down. From the brief clips of recent episodes I've seen this appears to be their joke style now.

>>87250340
>tomacco episode was unironically one of my favs

>>87248757
>The Principal and the Pauper
This is the correct answer.

>>87247703
HEH HEH GET HIM MAW

>>87250340
???
Doesn't make any sense, get out.

>>87250340
>6'8

He's a big guy

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>mfw people say season 9 is "classic Simpsons"
Literally only four good episodes.

The real decline set in when Mike Scully became showrunner at the start of season 9

>>87254507
It's also why the only good/decent episodes of season 9 were from earlier production runs.

>>87254251
everyone knows you have to pick around in season 9, it is the season with the last of good episodes

>>87247703
No, the first bad episode is the one where Bart and Lisa go to a military academy for no reason.

>>87250340
More like Cuck's Feed & Seed, amiright?

I cringe at this episode because I was caught shoplifting during the same time frame
Brings back bad memories

>>87247703

This is such a good episode, captured the feeling of being a kid caught in trouble so well.

Lawrence Tierney played a good store dick

>>87250340

>it's a meme you dip :^)

Season 5-8 are only funny seasons of The Simpsons

Everything before is overly sentimental and low on good laughs, everything after is shite

>>87249537
This.
>>87249566
THIS.

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>>87258162
3 and 4 are great. Eat shit.

Homerpalooza is fucking zombie Simpsons, terribly unfunny, hamfisted guest spots, just nasty

>>87249633
Simpson Tide, in a sense, wasn't a real Simpsons episode

it was one of those weird Al & Mike episodes they produced occasionally while they were working for Disney

when it first aired, I was amazed how much I hated the episode. I had no problem with The Principal & The Pauper, and didn't know it was controversial until years later.

Simpson Tide, however was worse than Sadgasm and the Ke$ha opening combined.

I'm not so sure that Mike Scully is the worst person in the Simpsons universe. Al Jean seems more and more like a humorless hack who happened to be showrunner while the best writing staff in the world made him and Mike Reiss look good.

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>>87258162
Early Simpsons was great for it's time. Compared to everything else on tv it was pretty edgy too.
The first "real" t.v family.

I'm not sure I could pinpoint when The Simpsons "died," but I just could never get on board with blaming Principal and the Pauper.

It's just never stood out to me as being as bad as people claim.

>>87258421
What's wrong with Simpsons Tide? I'm curious.

>>87258556
They established a great backstory for Seymour Skinner in the first 8 seasons
>Weird Norman Bates-esque relationship with strict, domineering mother
>love of authority and rules
>seemingly boring as shit
>deeply troubled 'Nam vet

All to throw it down the drain for one absolutely pointless episode.

They shat all over one of the best characters.

>>87258600
the "In The Navy" sequence when the sub disembarks, especially how Smithers appears on the sub because he's gay

the jokes are mostly shitty throughout, but that part shocked me because the Simpsons never sucked that much before

what's a shame is it has that fantastic Rocky & Bullwinkle couch gag which was never used again. also the "it's my first day" gag was solid.

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M I S T A K E

>simpsons threads are back
Finally the retarded fucks who spammed that reddit piece of shit meme are dying of cancer

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>>87258991
What did he sneed by this?

I think the easiest way to plot the downward curve of quality is to just watch each Treehouse episode. By the time they get to season 9, the segment quality had dipped considerably especially with shit like Easy Bake Coven. Homega Man was still okay, but it was starting to dip.

>>87258979
Bill Oakley, Josh Weinstein, and Ken Keeler are better authorities on The Simpsons than Matt Groening

>>87258991

haha yes based lets just talk about le 8 golden age seasons from over 20 years ago over and over and over again

>>87259201
Yeah thats exactly what we should do tbqh.

>>87250507
He steals Jebediah's head in an episode and feels bad about it. The only difference in this episode is that he gets caught immediately rather than having him ruminate on his guilt.

>>87259201
Yes, whine all you want faget

>>87259201

Golden Age was season 4-6

1-3 is amateur
7 is where we get garbage like Homerpalooza

>>87247703
FUCK off
This is the episode that brought us "four finger discount" and "THRILLHO"

>>87259332
>not including 2 and 3 in golden age
Come on man. Those two are the best along with 5

>>87259332
Golden Age is 3-5.

6 was already starting to show cracks.

What's the best Who Shot Mr. Burns theory? And why is it this one?:

https://youtu.be/mIQzAJLKmUA?t=30s

Hot take: Season 8 is the best one

>>87259601
D E E P E S T L O R E

>>87249419
>much more interested in being seen as edgy than that bad a kid at heart. He was a softie next to Nelson, Kearney, Jimbo, and Dolph.
This. I think most people have forgotten because of what Bart turns into in later seasons, but early on, Bart wasn't cool. He was a loser who regularly got bullied by people like Nelson and Kearney; most of his antics in the earlier episodes were more about trying to look cool for them instead of mischief for its own sake.

SEASON RANKINGS

5
6
8
7
4
9
10
11
3
2
1

>>87259808
This.

I was the same way as a kid and I don't think I've ever related to a character as strongly as I related to Bart back then.

>>87259888

I'd put seasons 4,5,6 in the top 3 spots. Pretty much most of the memorable episodes are in those seasons

>>87249359
>not Smee's plees and bees, formerly maimens
If you gonna meme at least do it right.

>>87249508
The pH of the soil was too high.

>>87249255
Fuck this pseudo meme. It's always the same retarded weeb samefagging. It's not funny and literally nobody bit the samefagging cares.

>>87259419
Nah, 3/4. 5 shows some cracks like the space episode.

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>>87247703

The decline was the part 2 of who shot mr burns.

>>87261884
False. William Shatner is the sneed spammer.

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>>87259419

Patrician taste. Season 7 is the point of no return on the decline.

1-6 are "good" Simpsons.

2-5 are great, Golden is 3-5.

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>>87247703
I had no idea that the episode had a bad reputation. It's always struck a chord with me and been kind of a difficult watch because I could relate to bart's guilt about disappointing his mom

Can I get the super sneed me or the twin peaks gas station shoops?
They really make me think

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>>87264621
I got you. I save every Sneed-related OC, even the anti-Sneed ones.

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>>87259888
>1-3 below 9-11

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>>87264621

Bless you both gentlemen.
I love those images. Any others are also appreciated. I thought theyre pretty creative

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>>87247703
>>87247828
>>87247993
>>87248022
>>87248025
>>87248896
>>87250389
>>87256682
>>87259337
>>87264609
You all need to die. I'm older than you and was watching Simpsons since 1989. The correct answer is that the show BEGAN to decline in season 7.

>season 3
100% perfection
>season 4
100% perfection
>season 5
100% perfection
>season 6
100% perfection
>season 7
mostly good, but some garbage every now and then
>season 8
mostly bad, but some good episodes every now and then

The first truly horrific episode was probably the Frank Grimes episode. That scene with Homer in the car not wanting to go to work was cancerously unfunny.

this is now /sneed/ general>>87264778
>>87264839
>>87259128
>>87250470
>>87250254
>>87249722
>>87249508
>>87249359
>>87249255
based sneedposter

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>>87265095

Same. Born in 82, watching since 1989. Well I quit in 2000.

Watched the first 10 seasons a few years ago in a marathon and got a good perspective and my conclusion and season rating is EXACTLY like yours.

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>>87249537

>>87265095
I wouldn't say season 6 is "100% perfection", BUT, I do agree that season 7 had signs of wear, though I usually credit 6 as the start of the decline even though it was minor.

By season 10, it was over.

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>>87265168

>>87259888
5 > 3 > 2 > 6 > 4 > 7 > 1 > 8 > 9 > 10 > the rest

>>87266732
>4 being that lower
>2 being higher than 3-6
"Treehouse of Horror III"
"Mr. Plow"
"Marge vs. the Monorail"
"Brother from the Same Planet"
"I Love Lisa"
"Last Exit to Springfield"

That season was magical.

>>87265810
"See My Vest" was a low point, to be sure.

>>87267294
only great epiosde you listed was mr plow. i will never understand this board's love for the monorail episode or i love lisa. they're okay, good episodes, but not top 10 material like homer at the bat or homer badman

>>87264003
>implying the inanimate carbon rod isn't the best character the Simpsons ever had
Wew

>>87258799
But all that makes a lot more sense with the reveal he's been faking it all along. Specially the relationship with his mother, holy fuck.

It's pretty much confirmed at this point that the only people who hate this episode are little mommy's boys who feel so bad for putting their mommys through hard times when they were kiddie kids.

>>87265095
>The first truly horrific episode was probably the Frank Grimes episode.
The Grimey episode is one of the best of the series. It's almost a perfect deconstruction of how the show works. The thing people like to criticize it for is introducing the self-awareness that killed the show later on, which really has no bearing on the episode itself.

does anyone know if there's an episode where homer and krusty are both swimming in the sea at night and chief wiggum is trying to catch them or something? it's my earliest simpsons memory but i have no idea if i've just made it up

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>>87267418
You have awful taste.

>>87268073
1. unfunny jokes that aren't on Simpson's level
>HE HE YOU WISH
2. lame sitcom "deconstruction" that had been done to death by that point in the '90s
>THAT'S OUR HOMER XDDD
3. homer acting extremely out of character and worrying what other people think of him to that extent
>sitting in the car pouting, scared to go to work

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>>87249359

>>87264028
When I was a kid watching that episode during it premier I was so butt blasted. I legitly felt betrayed at how lame it was.

Anyone remember the contest that was shown after the end of the first episode during it's premier where if you guessed the shooter you could be in and episode or whatever? Did anyone actually win that or did they just quietly cancel it?

>>87264028
>dat pic
oof, getting out the old ass classic meems

>>87247703
Homerpalooza was probably the weakest episode of s7.

>>87269702

It's my go to pic to assert my authority.

>>87250022
this

I wish the Simpsons was never made, save us from this shitposting

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>>87270294
but the shitposting is so much fun

>>87270294
i wish you were never made, safe us from your shitposting

>>87250340
holy shit

>>87269802
Much Apu About Nothing

>>87270514
Missing the PTA guy.

>>87270294
have no fears we have shitposts for years

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>>87247703

reminder, sneed poster is an underage spammer

>tfw Sneedposting is evolving
It cannot be stopped