/trek/ Comfy USS Franklin Edition

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OTP

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>>87097948
*blocks your path*

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>>87098111
You think they sat around and talked about how many spoonheads they killed and how?

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>>87098202
just imagine if they'd gone to that romantic cabin together on Bajor

>>87098111
>It's a Keiko deliberately sets up a romance between Kira and Miles so she can revel in his torment as he is unable to go through with it episode

>>87098265
woah, I didn't even think of that

Maybe she was always a pah wraith and just liked tricking him

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>>87098265
>>87098327
She just wanted a three way.

>>87098390
SLUT

>>87098390

Which one sits where?

>Keiko was much better as a pah wraith than as her usual self
what did the writers mean by this?

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>Kira, her husband miserable
(In Tamarian this statement expresses a feeling of exquisite joy and bliss)

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>O'Brien boredom simulator

is there any better way to pass the time?

MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEESSSSSS

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>>87098500
Kira, when she sat on his face
Keiko, with her mouth full

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>>87098689
>>87098746
what game?

>Guinan in Ten Forward With Q
(Tamarian: a situation where a person is acting like a retard for no discernible reason)

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>tfw

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>>87098834
Stage 9

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>>87098111
>that alternate timeline where Bashir puts the baby inside himself instead of Kira

TNG is good except when Deanna Troi's mom is around. I just skip those episodes now.

>>87099106
>he doesn't rate Lwaxana episodes

This is how we know you're underage

>>87099106
DO YOU HATE FUN?

>>87099121
I'm almost 30. I wish I was a teenager.

>>87099106
I like them.

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>>87099082
>that alternate reality where every character is played either by Marc Ailamo or Andrew Robinson

>>87099106
"Half a Life" was good. The crew's reactions to her are worth the price of admission.

>>87098821

Very good.

>Stage 9

neat

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more like DEAD squad ahahaha

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>>87099106
I like Lawaxana better than Q desu

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I'm in love with the tactical officer

>>87099482
Can you imagine her with cosmic powers? Everyone would be constantly naked and fucking. What a slutty little gmilf.

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>>87099482
You are objectively wrong

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I'm contractually obligated to post ENT in /trek/ threads.

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>>87099814
The character with actual human problems is somehow worse than the character who is lolsorandom God.

Okay.

>>87099872
I dropped that after the first episode.

Does it get better?

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this is Damar. Say something nice about him

>>87099959
Damar, the kanar drank

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>>87099959
You're my third favorite Cardassian.

>>87099954
just watch it already and don't be such a pussy

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>>87099954
Some people hate it some people love it

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>>87099959
He may be a dirty cardie bastard, but he sure knows his kanar

>>87100113
REED ALERT
REED ALERT

>>87099529
She looks like she's seen some shit... like herself in a mirror

>>87099529
>>87100361
reanimated with neural stimulators natasha yar.

>>87099950
The character who everyone hates for being genuinely obnoxious and irritating is better than the character everyone hates because he playfully forces the crew into entertaining and novel situations

Okay

>>87099529
she look like a rejected character model from one of those western porn visual novel that are full of shit writting and terrible looking 3D modeled protagonists with 0 animation and a fuckton of weird fetishes, but that I still play for a bit before I delete them while full of shame and yet re-download them a few weeks later

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>>87100586
You sound like this sort of degenerate:
https://youtu.be/qD4EVXkfe0w

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>>87099950
>>87100566
They're both good in their own ways. No fighting!
Lawaxana is sexier

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>>87100616
But anon, I am this sort of degenerate

does anyone have the TOS viewing guide?

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>>87100893

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>>87100493
>the last scene with three captains saying the "To Boldy go"-line and the three Enterprises in the background

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Any ideas for Riker weight gain fic? I'm one of those degenerates

>>87101384
He becomes trapped on an alien world that seems like paradise. Beautiful women tend to his every need, constantly feeding him. As he is fed more and more, he begins to lose his memories and will to leave the planet. Data has to save fat Riker after several crew members fall prey to the same food trap.

>>87099954
It does, but it was a long road getting there

>>87100953
>not just watching them all

Plebs

>>87101384
the ultimate form of martial arts is part sumo.

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>Pink skin, have you ever heard of... The Dominion?

>>87101630
why didn't he ever refer to Travis as black skin?

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>>87101874
That's the thing. He never referred to Travis.

>>87101984
Nobody did, Travis was shit

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>>87102005
i liked his backstory but it sucks that ENT got cut short just as it was hitting its stride

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>>87102005
There was nothing wrong with his character other than being underutilized. The man manually flew behind a meteor to maintain stealth. That's pretty badass.

>>87102083
yeah, they really ignored the Earth-Carrier-Ship-era of space-exploration except for the nausicaan-incident and that one attack while he was on his "home-ship":

>>87101453
This is good stuff, someone who can write should write this

>>87099959
Greatest taste in alcohol in the known galaxy, regardless of the timeline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R3EnZdhYok

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>>87103051
I love these videos.
>ywn drink wine with Casey

>>87100761
Did Barclay pull apart Cockring's moonshine still for that? I'm surprise he didn't get decked.

>>87103142
wait, barclay was in first contact?

>>87103181
briefly, yeah. He basically just swooned over Cochrane a bit.

>>87103051
>"football"
lel this commercial is so american

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>Kirk in the warp core dying
(Tamarian: Denotes a person ripping off other, better artistic works)

>>87103983
the single most embarrassing thing trek has ever done
not spock's brain
not code of honor
not profit and lace
it's into darkness

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Who would be in your all star crew?

>want to live in this reality
>would probably be a huge sperg like barclay
at least i'd have my holodeck waifus

>>87104192
Archer
Riker
Scotty (1)
Crusher (worst doctor but so pretty)
Odo
Data
Seven

>>87104192
all TNG except for hologram doc and OG Uhura

>>87104279
Solid

>>87104141
>profit and lace
speaking of wich I just saw the damm thing after everyone told me it was awfull, and it turned out to be a kinda funny ferengi episode and even the quark crossdressing isn't that unnerving
so why does everyone think this is shit ?

>>87104579
Have you watched the rest of the DS9 Ferengi epidodes?

It's shitness requires context

>>87098265
>miles, his stomach empty
>keiko, her eyes slanted

>>87104613
yes I did and it just follow the trail with the grand nagus shagging Quark's mother and Quark's mother being a ferengi feminist, it isn't that bad after all. I'm willing to admit that I'm an easy audience but there was some funny moments in it.

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>riker and salad at ten forward
>salad on the ocean
>riker, when the chair broke

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>Hey Julian, what's grey, orange, and beautiful?
>I don't know, Miles.
>A cardy on fire!

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>>87105008
>not wanting to motorboat those ridged cardie bewbs

>>87099559
>gmilf
It's gilf. Kill yourself for saying gmilf.

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I've been playing the XCOM 2 expansion since it came out yesterday and over half the new voice actors are TNG cast members. You even get soldiers voice by Marina Sirtis and Michael Dorn. It's comfy, would recommend.

i have to admit one of the biggest things that attracts me to star trek is they achieve world peace, by the 24th century no less

i might be retarded or unrealistic, but it's cool to think about

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rate my change jar, /trek/

>>87105603
To get there they went through the Eugenics wars in the 1990s, the Bell Riots in the early 21st century and then WW3. At which point someone invented warp and the Vulcans came in offering us vast technology and knowledge if we got our shit together.

Not like the world decided one day to unite, greed and fear of xenos brought us together

>>87105638
4/10 Ok but clearly generic and mass produced

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>>87105676
>tfw this will never happen irl

>>87105603
But that's ironic considering they never really focus on the human world peace, but rather the intra-galactic lack of it.

>>87105676
I guess that explains why we still have a lot problems with the Cardassians, Ferengi, etc

I know Q at least implies the human race could one day be more powerful than even the Continuum, but I wonder if that's because of enlightenment or in spite of it or what

>>87105638
jelly/10

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>>87104926

>regular travel outside the milky way never
>stuff happening beyond the 24th century never

why does everything have to be a reboot or a prequel

>>87105638
I rike it anon. Where'd you get it?

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Did the mirror universe happen because Hillary won? Or are we in the mirror universe with a Trump victory?

>the more you think about it, the more pointless the answers

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>>87099872
And I'm not. That's the difference between you an I.

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Friendly reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.

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>>87098821

>>87101984
I loved the outtake of that scene where Archer says, "We found the pictures in your room."
lolol

>>87101453
>>87102827
Sounds like TAS episode, "The Lorelei Signal".

>>87105638
gay

>>87106374
>that image
ow the edge

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>Finally get to Star Trek V
>It really is as bad as everyone says

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>>87107286
Star Trek V is kino

>>87107317
Good direction, bad script. Everything until Kirk arrives at the planet of peace is great though.

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So is there a reason Voyager didn't go home after they could reach warp 10 and cure any side effects?

I'm almost done TNG, pretty good show. Episodes vary from great to dumb. Are any of the other series actually worth watching or is there a significant drop off in quality?

>>87107485
TOS

>>87107485
DS9 has some great episodes i honestly like it almost as much as TNG

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>>87107445
>bad script
Ain't that how it always goes

>>87107485
DS9 is as good after a couple seasons. More political and character driven, less sciency. Voyager has more bad than good. I liked Enterprise but that seems to be an unpopular opinion.

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>>87107485
Watch DS9, it's a direct sequel to TNG and I think it's great from day 1, but some people say it gets great variously at the end of season 1, or 2, or 3.

>>87107513
I don't mind a bit of camp but I have heard that TOS is super campy? This true?

>>87107534
Is this the one with tons of TNG character cameos (O'brien Warf, etc)

>>87107485
TOS and DS9 for sure. Some people like VOY and ENT. Personally I like ENT.

>>87107647
yes and they have more character development on that show than they did on TNG. O'brien's character is honestly one of the best in all of Star Trek

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>>87107647
>Is this the one with tons of TNG character cameos (O'brien Warf, etc)
Worf and O'Brien are main characters in DS9, though Worf won't show up until season 4 which is the first season after Star Trek: Generations.

>>87107647
TOS is very campy, but that's what makes it so great.

>>87107777
Quads of truth. TOS is god tier 60's television.

>>87107469
Because that entire episode is a joke

>>87107485
Well it looks like I'm definitely going to try DS9 after TNG, I need the comfiness of Star Trek to continue forever.

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>>87107485
Daily reminder that Enterprise was the very best Star Trek series ever produced.

It was Star Trek done right.

No faggots
No feminism
No PC
Less technobabble
More realism
More character
Interesting aliens
Solid storytelling

Trektards hate it because it isn't gay enough.

>>87107469
>salamanders

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>>87107871
>when they just shoop your head onto a bodysuit

>>87107974
lol wtf

>>87105313

>You even get soldiers voice by Marina Sirtis and Michael Dorn.

Neato, also gotta love Michael Dorn's voice acting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37lf4n6lxX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KApOTWPH6k

>>87107974
Awww

>>87105313
>>87108095
Slightly related, but Reed Alert is one of the cohorts in Diablo 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUx8uWZRy2E

>>87098148

>that hand

>"Watch it, Sisko" edit please.

>>87104192
Sisko
Riker
La Forge
McCoy (reboot)
Worf
Sulu (OS)
Dax

Who will be the first of the TNG cast to bite the dust?

My money's on Colm Meaney

>>87104192

Sisko
Riker
Geordi
McCoy
Worf
Data
Jadzia

>>87104192
>Kirk
No explanation needed
>Spock
Most potent first officer
>O'Brien
Best engineer
>Bashir
Super-human doctor
>Reed
Only security chief that doesn't regularly get beat up
>Data
Could do everyone's job
>Sato
Speaks every language

>>87107974
I really want to know the terrible consequences of that happening will be.

>>87104613
I liked the one where Quark defends the idea of profit to the Prophets.
>Prophet Motive
...was the whole point of the episode to invoke this cheesy wordplay

>>87108652
Colm is only 64, one of the younger ones

>LeVar, 60
>Marina Sirtis, 62
>Worf, 64
>Frakes, 65
>Gates McFadden, 68
>Brent Spiner, 68
>Poop Emoji, 77

I think it'll probably be Fatty Frakes.

>>87108652
>>87108883
It's going to be Stewart or Crusher.

>>87104192
>Kirk(TOS)
>Spock(TOS)
>O'Brien
>The Doctor
>Tuvok
>Data
>Seven of Nine

>>87108883
>Poop Emoji

lel

>>87108883
>>LeVar, 60
ocular cancer
>>Marina Sirtis, 62
colon cancer
>>Worf, 64
back cancer
>>Frakes, 65
testicular cancer
>>Gates McFadden, 68
ovarian cancer
>>Brent Spiner, 68
Alzheimer's
>>Poop Emoji, 77
Stroke

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Daily reminder that Captain Benjamin "Blast the Spoonheads all to Hell" Maxwell did nothiny wrong.

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>>87104192
Jadzia as the Captain
Riker
Trip
Bashir
Tuvok
Data
Garak as the Counselor

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>>87109375
>Garak as the Counselor
I'm all for this.

>>87104192
Looks like whatever faggot made that chart intentionally searched for the shittiest pics they could find to make the Ennterprise crew look bad. Faggots. Every. Fucking. Time.

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>>87109559
They probably never even watched Enterprise desu and just grabbed the first thing off of google images.

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>MFW they should have filmed his scenes first

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what the fuck was her problem?

>>87109966
They just wrote her like a typical asian wife would behave.

>nag
>can't cook a decent meal after her husband works his ass off
>husband eventually starts hanging out with his coworkers at the bar instead of coming home

>>87104192
Where the fuck is polaski?

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>>87109186
>>87108689
>not picking Geordi

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>>87110440

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>>87110440
>We take The Captain's Yacht, we rendezvous with The Enterprise, we go in, take care of O'Brien - "Hand over the Azn, Potatoboy" - then we grab Keiko, we go over to Ten Forward, hole up, have a cup of synthale and wait for this whole thing to blow over.

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>>87110583
>that grin
he seems so accomplished

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Why were Dax episodes so shit?

Was it because Terry was bad as an actress?
Was it the writing?
She had quite literally some of the worst episodes in the entire franchise.

>>87111500
>Was it because Terry was bad as an actress?
>Was it the writing?
Both. Terry a shit, and the writers didn't establish her as having her own personality, just an inherited one.

>>87111500
she was a shit actress. Very beautiful, but she really didn't have anything else going for her. I still can't remember any of her episodes, I only vaguely remember some being about Klingons and half the time she talked about Curzon.

>>87111584
You mean the ones with the Dahar Master?

The only good Dax episodes are the ones where she has to be carried by klingons.

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Friendly reminder that he'll do nothing wrong

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>>87108652
Probably Frakes.
>>87108883
Agreed.
>>87108974
I don't think it will be Crusher. McFadden is in great shape (pic related). She claims she still has the ability to ride a unicycle.

>>87099954
It starts being good in season three, almost immediately.

>>87101561

Thank you!

>>87111834
That brought it to the forefront, but I think it was mostly clear in the episode "Dax" that she's just Kurzon in a woman's body, all her insights and conversations are from him or another host.

Challenge to everyone, especially Jadziafags: Name something about Jadzia's personality that didn't come from one of her previous hosts.

>>87104192
Its time once more for the weyoun cruise
>captain: weyoun 6
>first officer: weyoun 5
>engineering: weyoun 8
>medical: brunt FCA
>security: weyoun 7
>bridge bitch (ensign): weyoun 4

>>87112926
Science

>>87112926
Her love for Worf

>>87113106
No her prior hosts had been in the sciences too

>>87113161
No they hadn't name one previous host that was a scientist

>>87113212
Wasn't Tobin an engineer?

>>87108652
hes dead inside but in seriousness probably poop emoji

>>87113381
Pilot, and even if he had some engineering skill that's very different from an astrophysicist

>>87113438
Tories was the pilot, Tobin was the engineer. But I see your point. You mean as in academic/studied sciences, not applied stuff.

>>87113460
The difference between Scotty and Spock or Geordi and Data, etc

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>>87112926
Why? The whole point of being a Trill is that you have access to previous hosts. I like Jadzia because of her confidence. Where she gets that from doesn't matter. The point is that she kicks ass and it's inspiring to me because I personally have no self esteem.

>>87110440
>the virgin chief engineer walk

>>87113513
Geordi and Data isn't a good example, Geordi kept up with Data on virtually all scientific aspects because he was a literal genius.

The Scotty and Spock comparison works great though.

>>87113658
Or say, O'brien and Dax

>>87113699
Yeah that works.

>>87113460
>Torias

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GUYS

I got unbanned.

I just made this to celebrate.

>>87114052
what did u do?

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>>87107469
It did.

>>87109364
You're wrong, but I appreciate that you put some effort into it.

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>>87109375
So basically this then.

What is the best battle?

>>87112926
What was in Ezri's personality that no previous host had in their personality?

She can't even claim to be the first socially-awkward loser, since Tobin Dax was like that before Ezri copied him.

>there are people on this planet that think the Founders did nothing wrong

amazing how disgusting people can be desu

Reminder that Janeway made Vice Admiral before Picuck even made Commodore

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which era has best Federation uniforms?

>>87114561
Commodore doesn't exist in the 24th century. A 1-pip admiral is a Rear Admiral (Lower Half).

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reminder that he did nothing wrong

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>>87114567
Movies II-VI of course.

>>87114643
It did for the first half of the 24th century. I suppose by 2379 or whatever nemesis was it was gone though.

>>87114856
>24th century Starfleet ranks changed the system slightly, deprecating the commodore grade, instead calling officers of that standing "rear admiral lower half." The lower half rear admirals (such as Gregory Quinn and Mark Jameson) wore one triangular admiral braid on their shoulders, while upper half rear admirals wore one triangular braid and one rank pip beneath it (as Savar did). (TNG: "Too Short a Season", "Conspiracy")

>>87114334
But they didn't anon. The wrong side won the Dominion War.

>>87114784
nothing beats TOS movie uniforms

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>>87108883
Frakes isn't that fat, or at least not fat enough to die before a man 12 years his senior (even though he's aging well).

>>87114052
Take your shitty Facebook memes somewhere else

>>87098821

So Tamarian is literally just Noun + Prepositional Phrase. Fairly simple for such an indecipherable language in the show.

I wonder if you can order Tamarian sentences with the prep phrase before the noun, or is it rigid structure. hmm

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>>87115167
>TMP had the same costume designer as WoK

Fucking how

>>87115317
anon, his eyes uncovered

>>87115317
>So Tamarian is literally just Noun + Prepositional Phrase. Fairly simple for such an indecipherable language in the show.

Not exactly. In the show, they use metaphors. For example
>Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
You can't know what the hell this means without first knowing the mythological story.

>>87106275

I don't know but prequelitis has been really setting in hard since the 2000s. Everyone wants to go "Okay now make a show/movie about one of those amazing things a character mentioned happened even though it could never live up to the hype and will obliterate continuity!"

Also something about people losing hope in the future I guess.

Tbh part of it, I think, is that the quality of writers is so shit that they can't advance a story with established elements anymore. Too risky. Now it's just rehash with a known ending.

>>87115317
Data mentioned it in the show. They understand the grammatical significance, the structure of the sentences was relatively easy to figure out.

But Tamarian language was all about mythology. They communicated by citing specific mythological items from Tamarian culture, which the Federation wouldn't have any clue about because they literally have never been able to communicate with them.

It's like trying to say "Icarus, when he flew too high" to try and tell someone not to be too cocky.

>>87115428

It has the meaning of a metaphor, but the literal structure is just Noun + Prep Phrase. What you said is Noun & Noun + Prep Phrase, which is basically the same thing but with an extra coordinated noun. I get the idea that it acts as a metaphor by saying "I am conveying an example that defines a general type of event/action" though. I still don't get why the universal translator couldn't process that and realize "oh it's using specific scenarios to act as statements of a type of action occurring." Aside from the fact that the writers were probably limited in how complex they could make the puzzle, I guess.

>>87115517

True, but after a while you'd think context would give the UT some idea. I mean, it has to include context in its algorithms or it would be the most useless technology ever. lol

>>87115544
Because the Universal translator doesn't translate nuances. It translates literal speech into english grammar, so that we could understand it.

But the universal translator doesn't differentiate what the English-sounding "Temba" would mean. Because it doesn't have any influence on translating the meaning of metaphors.

That's like saying if someone said "You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet" it should be translated discretely as "You must take risks to achieve something, even at a cost."

>>87115544
>I still don't get why the universal translator couldn't process that and realize "oh it's using specific scenarios to act as statements of a type of action occurring."

How is a UT supposed to identify a metaphor? A phrase like, "you're fired" doesn't mean anything other than "holy shit this guy is on fire" unless you have a pre-knowledge of cultural context. These aliens came up to crew and started spouting obscure metaphors. The sentence structure has nothing to do with the mystery.

>>87115610
Icuras his wings unfurled
>moments from disaster with the implication that its ones own hubris that will cause the disaster
Without knowing the story the first sentence makes no sense, if you do know the story it makes perfect sense and conveys layers of meaning

>>87115618

I think it does do that, doesn't it? Some languages explicitly mark parts of speech, others uses context/nuance. So if the UT didn't have that capability interspecies communication would be extremely stunted. It wouldn't be as fluid as we see it in the show.

>>87115724

I wasn't saying it had to do with th emystery, just noticing it.

But I think the UT would need to know metaphors. Even if it didn't know what it was a metaphor for, I feel like it would know a metaphor was occurring.

>>87115753
Its not perfect and loses layers of meaning, as Jack and the autisim crew demonstrated when they listened to weyoun in his native language instead of letting the translator do it

>>87115724

Like if a part of speech happened and the UT couldn't identify it as relevant to the convo, it filters it through a range of possibilities that would then make it relevant: is it some sort of non-literal statement, list non-literal statements, is it this, is it that, is it a metaphor, then predict what speaker would be saying if it was, spitting out the most likely/coherent statement. Something like that is what I imagine.

>>87115807
Not if it had never encountered those metaphors before, once they understood they probably could reprogram them to interpret

>>87115845

I was just thinking of that scene, actually. It does kind of imply that the UT misses some nuance. But it would have to be a spectrum right? It includes enough to make conversation fluid a good 80-90% of the time, but only misses very slight things like Weyoun's lil slip.

The UT is such an interesting idea but is even less plausible than warp power technology at this point lmao

>>87115901

Yeah it wouldn't get the meaning, but it might do something like >>87115876 to figure out it is a metaphor.

And is it ever said if they managed to reprogram the UT to process Tamarian? or did they just bring in translators and do it the old fashioned way?

>>87115939
Probably depends on the race, Vulcan would probably be near perfect 1:1, Vorta probably not, you can also think of it as English language translations of books, some work well others lose something in the translation

>>87115753
It translates speech from a different language into english based off what the new info would mean in english.

You're making a fundamental misunderstanding. Sure, abstract idiosyncracies get translated, but because they have a defined relation to what they could mean in english.

Think of it this way. Translating from Japanese to English is difficult because there's a lot of language connotations that are lost because Japanese is so much more context based. But even then, the translation is capable because the general meaning of a statement in Japanese means the same in English.

But the difference with the Tamarians is that their language takes on meanings within itself. If someone translates a Japanese metaphor to English, they do so by either localizing the meaning or explaining the meaning in a translator's note to some greater aspect, expounding on what the actual sentences mean.

There are a number of haikus translated Jap-to-Eng that don't make much sense until you are told that certain characters are used that have a double meaning. They have some supplied meaning that can't directly be inferred.

Now with the Tamarians, they knew absolutely nothing about them, but that only they were "incomprehensible." So how, without even the basic founding of simple sentences, would they be capable of understanding the more nuanced phrases?

That's the thing with the Tamarians: They lack that intermediary step of language that you can directly translate like "Hello my name is" because they go straight into metaphors that have deeper meanings to explain things.

We didn't even know what the Tamarian captain was named by the end of the episode. That's how distant they are from understanding one another.

>>87115991
Its never said that was just me speculating that a program could probably be written to improve communication by understanding the metaphors, maybe

>>87115428
"Children of Tama" - Tamarian
"Darmok on the ocean" - loneliness, isolation
"Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" - cooperation
"Darmok and Jalad on the ocean" - new friendship and understanding gained through a shared challenge
"The beast at Tanagra" - a problem to be overcome
"Kadir beneath Mo Moteh" - failure to communicate/understand
"Zima at Anzo" "Zima and Bakor" - danger/hostility arising from miscommunication/misunderstanding.
"Kiteo, his eyes closed" - refusal to understand
"Kiazi's children, their faces wet" - do not cry
"Temba, his arms wide/open" - signifying a gift
"Temba, at rest" - when a gift being offered is declined
"Mirab, with sails unfurled" - signifying departure/engines to full/fleeing
"Shaka, when the walls fell" - failure
"Sokath, his eyes uncovered/opened" - understanding/realization
"Kailash, when it rises" - a necessary loss or sacrifice
"The river Temarc in winter" - be quiet/silence
"Zinda, his face black, his eyes red" - anger or conflict, also can indicate pain or discomfort, possible indication of inability to survive (either self, or other party)
"Rai and Jiri at Lungha. Rai of Lowani. Lowani under two moons. Jiri of Ubaya. Ubaya of crossroads, at Lungha. Lungha, her sky gray" - greeting between two different cultures/races
"Uzani, his army with fists open" - to lure the enemy towards you by spreading your forces
"Uzani, his army with fists closed" - to close rank and attack after luring the enemy
"Chenza at court, the court of silence" - not listening
"Kira at Bashi" - to tell a story
"Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel" - successful first contact between two alien cultures, or to work toward a common goal

>>87116044
>by the end
until*

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>next star trek movie starts
>nu kirk and nu spock are on the roman planet. fighting as slaves
>suddenly it all vanishes and revelas a holodeck, and this guy.
>The Doctor tells him. that isn't how it happened at all, and they look nothing like Kirk and Spock
>he reply, "but isn't it more exciting this way?"

>>87116190
This is supposed to be a comfy thread, not a cringe thread.

>>87116190
>>87116233
>barclay unironically wrote this

>>87107871
Only to go completely off the rails with the "muh nine eleven" season.

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>Computer, create a historically accurate replica of a 22nd century starship, designation: Enterprise
>Add a complement crew common for that era
>Begin to simulate Captain Jonathan Archer journey aboard the NX-01 Enterprise from day 1, objective mode
>Add music: Faith of the Heart, season 1. 500% volume. Continuous loop.
>Safeties off
>Initiate program

>>87114567
First Contact/End of DS9

Still pissed that the Voyager crew never adopted them after they started doing facetime with earth

>>87116803
Why would they waste resources on their ship to change the outfits?

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What's the most impactful scene in Star Trek history and why is it this?

>>87116871
They wasted resources creating the new rifles from first contact, in short Janeway is fucking insane

>>87116044
>But even then, the translation is capable because the general meaning of a statement in Japanese means the same in English.

I'd disagree with this. There is a big gap even though they're both human languages, unless you mean they have recognizably similar stuctures. Otherwise, you still need ability to process nuance to get this.

And Idk what you mean by >but because they have a defined relation to what they could mean in english

no new language they encountered would have this, regardless. So the main thing the UT needs is recognizable structures.

The central issue of Tamarian was that it was structurally alien. They don't use general verbs with clear semantic roles, they just have individuals paired with metaphor prep phrases.

And their issue wasn't understanding nuance, it was understanding anything at all.

>So how, without even the basic founding of simple sentences, would they be capable of understanding the more nuanced phrases?

I didn't say they would have understanding of nuance in Tamarian, I said the UT should be able to realize that it has encountered non-literal phrases and predict it to be a metaphor, even if the context is missing. It's not really about it knowing what the metaphor means, just understanding the structure of what is there.

There's a difference between automatically knowing what a metaphor means, and knowing that you have encountered something that fits the structure of a metaphor. If it can figure out it's a metaphor, it's not a huge leap to "oh, metaphors are fixed structures citing certain situations to describe general actions, must get more input to know what situations are being referred to."

So what I mean is, it would be able to figure out that it is a language comprised of stated metaphors, and thru logical subroutines or w/e technobabble it would realize how they're using metaphors.

>>87116871
They weren't exactly roughing it at that point - at least not the same way those poor bastards on the equinox were.

Also, clothes and uniforms wear down. You need to replace them. There is no reason no to standardize with the current trend when you make the replacements

>>87116803
I never really liked those uniforms. Too much grey/black. IMO they were inferior to the s3+ TNG uniforms and early DS9/VOY variation.

>>87102005
He wasn't shit. He wasn't anything. He had like one line every 5 episodes

>>87117143
He had one line every episode, it was in his contract.

>>87105938
So how did first contact happen when tng Terran Star Empire Enterprise wouldn't have met Q, wouldn't have fought with the borg or travelled back in time, and wouldn't have had Worf to say "assimilate this!" as he shoots his purple space bazooka at borg drones attempting to hack the deflector dish?

>>87117346
Without a hitch, since the Borg didn't fuck up his first prototype.

>>87117717
Commanding Officer: Benjamin Sisko
First Officer: Spock (original series)
Chief Engineer: Miles O'Brien
Chief Medical Officer: The Doctor
Chief of Security: Odo
Helmsman or Operations Officer: Data
Other Bridge Officers: Jadzia Dax and Seven of Nine

>>87117542
Jadzia because she has the appeal of being an actual character and mature women are sexier than timid pixie girl spasts

>>87117542
Jadzia because she's a slut like me and we sluts have got to stick together.

>>87117542
Jadzia. Sorry Ezri, you just had one season.

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>>87116872
>the greatest starship in Federation history destroyed so Sulu and Chekov wouldn't have to sniper a few extra Klingon grunts

>>87117542
Ezri. I'm not into necrophilia.

>>87117983
Oh, so you're not the guy always posting pics of Nana Visitor's corpse on the back of a golf cart?

>>87117966
Kirk didn't want to risk the lives of his friends and he sure as fuck wasn't about to let the Enterprise get taken over and used for nefarious purposes by the Klingons, plus Starfleet already made it clear earlier in the film that they were going to decommission her soon anyway.

>>87098111

How many of you agree with me that O'Brien often wished he was back in his virtual reality prison rather than live with Keiko?

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>>87118058
Visitor isn't even best grannyfu.

>>87099106
I've unironically jerked it to nude Luaxanna more than once

>>87118112
>taken over and used for nefarious purposes by the Klingons
Interestingly, it was a dropped plot point that Kruge had stolen his Bird of Prey from the Romulans, and instead it became a Klingon mainstay for 25 years.

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>>87117743
>having King Nigger captain the USS Autism

>>87118612
>be /pol/tard
>watch star trek
C O G N I T I V E
D I S S O N A N C E

>>87117143
>>87117245
"Yes, sir."
"Aye, sir."
"Aye aye, sir."
>The Many Lines of Travis Mayweather: A Retrospective

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>>87118714
>In our century, we've learned not to fear words

>>87117143
>>87117245
>>87118730
In the last seasons, they also started shafting Reed Alert and Hoshi to focus on Archer, t. /pol/ and the Trip

>>87104192
Picard
Chakotay
Scotty(reboot)
EMH
Tuvok
Data
7/9

>>87118832

It's kind of typical Trek syndrome that as the show goes along they stop pretending it's some kind of inclusive ensemble and stick to only the protag & fan faves. Original star trek ends up being mostly Kirk, Spock & Mccoy, TNG ends up being mostly Picard, Data & Worf (tho slightly more balanced because Riker & Troi aren't forgotten, and Beverly finally gets like 2 eps), and Voyager ends up being mostly Janeway, Seven, and the Doctor.

DS9 is the only exception really.

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>>87118859
Reboot Scotty is a meme character, from meme writers, actors and director. He's a parody of a satire, and Simon Pegg will never portray Scotty as the dedicated, resolute 2nd Officer he always was on TOS.

>>87118952
Good point. It's sad, but true. Travis definitely got the worst of it since he got shafted as early as season 1.

>>87118989
>dude I am scottish and love to drink!
>not a meme character from the star

>>87118989

Not the anon you replied to, but I didn't realize how much I agreed with this until now.

James Doohan is a literal saint and made a hilarious but somewhat multidimensional Scotty with amazing charisma. Simon Pegg is generic Gen X nerd. Not bad, but not great.

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>>87119051
>another DS9 soap opera faggot that's never actually watched TOS

>>87119065
>James Doohan is a literal saint
So true. What a great guy.

>>87119092
Ha ha ha 7 years ha ha ha.

best scene in ds9 desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VhSm6G7cVk

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>>87118612

>>87119092
that's literally what he was
he was barely a character in the series to begin with
he had 3 traits:
>loved to drink
>a kilt in his cabin
>complained about doing his job/when people entered the engine room
the only time he does something is when is accused of murder or has to climb in a tube to save the day with meme science

and it's not my fault DS9 is the best Trek ever made

>>87113544
The more you reveal about yourself, the more I like you

>>87119151
Watch Taste of Armageddon again.

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>>87119138
Pretty top tier. But nothing will ever top the final portion of In the Pale Moonlight for me.

>>87119092
that guys a retard, but why would you ever think ds9 fans don't like and watch TOS? I think the 7 years have taken their toll bud

>>87119199
>dude, just take the easy way out we are babylon 5 anyway not Star Trek

>>87114213
>Holodeck maintenance
>not Barclay
It's like you want Moriarty to take over your cruise

>>87119241
>le babylon 5 meme
The 90s were grimdark galore, it was just the trend of the decade.

>>87119241
If you actually watched B5 and DS9 then you would understand that DS9 and B5 are as different as Green and Purple.

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>>87119199
>garak says he can get a data rod but needs to trade a bunch of explosive medicine for it
I bet he already had the data rod and used the biomimetic gel to blow up that senator's ship.

>>87119138

It really is the best. Moonlight is kind of overrated, though still good. Ds9 had so many actors that fuckin owned their scenes. You don't usually see such a high concentration of genuinely interesting and charismatic characters.

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>>87119289
Why would you think that? He's just a simple tailor.

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>>87119289

best trek character

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>>87119289
Garak a cute!

>>87119326
>You don't usually see such a high concentration of genuinely interesting and charismatic characters.
This is probably DS9's greatest strength imo and it probably wouldn't have been as easy if the series didn't focus on a stationary setting.

>>87119371

>tfw Eddington is a smart version of the "hitler did nothing wrong" meme

I think he would have said anything he could that he thought would make Sisko doubt his resolve though. I could easily see him making a contradictory argument that letting him go would best fulfill the principles of the federation. Never bought into his moral outrage. He was too much cult of personality.

>>87118989
I agree with all that, but I like what I like.

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*blocks your path*

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>counselor, do you know what its like to be a balding 30 something year old virgin junior lieutenant who has no future prospects? do you know how it feels knowing that you are and always will be a failure? is that not reason enough to simulate your image with a well endowed body in the holodeck for my recreational purpose?
is barclay /ourguy/?

>>87119570
Picard and SIsko were bald, he has no excuses for being such a fuck up loser virgin

>>87119570

Nah he's liberal af, you can just tell he wouldn't mind online anonymity being b&. TNG is the pinnacle of neoliberalism, only the villains on there would have anything ideologically in common with this place. Or, ironically, Bajoran characters.

If anything, he's probably one of those obnoxious virtue signalers. You can just tell from his face.

>>87119570
Yeah but he got to pork that Dabo girl

>>87119570
>member of starfleet
>stationed on the fucking flagship
>a failure

>>87119646
Frankly this place would be ideal for Cardassians.
>surface-level anonymity
>info that you don't really get from mainstream places
>info that you can also fake very easily and spread rapidly
>if you do more digging, the anonymity can be circumvented
Obsidian Order probably had messageboards like this.

>>87119570
What stops everyone from getting ripped in the TNG era? Get on the holodeck and conjure up a personal trainer. Let your replicator control your diet. Use advanced medical analysis to maximize your gains. It can't get any easier than that.

>>87119698
This is how Picard seemed to regard his science officers.

>>87119698
This and his dedication to Voyager is downright heroic

>>87119746
It's the future, people have moved beyond such lowly pursuits as gains.

>>87119701

I don't think so. Cardassians were like actually disgusted by non-comformity. We just see characters like Garak being into it because he's been forced to the fringes, and Dukat because he lost his mind. Your regular normie Cardassians would hate the idea of uncontrolled anti-mainstream discourse being allowed to flourish. /tv/'s cardassian worship is one sided imo.

>>87119832
You mean misguided. Worship is by definition one-sided.

>>87119746

I think the idea is that they were all healthy without needing to push their bodies to any kind of limits. I mean, most of them are actually in pretty good shape. But being super built would probably look garish or primitive to them.

>>87119777
just started voyager, when does /ourguy/ show up?

>>87119889
Season 7

>>87119889
Season six, episode ten.

>>87119856

Yeah, and it's obviously one-sided since it's a TV show. Obvs I think its misguided, but to be more accurate, I think if /tv/ posters hypothetically met cardassians the respect wouldn't be mutual. Cardassians would never respect individuals who saw themselves as or tried to be subversive. They'd only support subversive humans as a way to undermine the Federation.

>>87119889
After you've gotten really annoyed and stopped watching the show.

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>>87119879
Oh how far humanity has fallen from the days of the first warp 5 explorers.

>>87119879
fatriker.jpeg

>>87120640
>>87120640
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>>87107871