I've seen him discussed in trek threads countless times

Tuvix + Neelix + the flower should have produced Sisko. Everything else plays out the same. That would have been a much more satisfying and entertaining ep.

>>86839094
>Tuvix
*Tuvok

I also want to see Tuvix + Neelix now though

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>3 deaths, 2 undone
Needs of the many, my friend. Tuvok and Neelix seem to have the memories of Tuvix. That means he never really dies, he just continues to live two separate lives.

>>86839208
>Needs of the many, my friend
Only relevant when the one _volunteers_ to die.

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>people will defend ENT

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Tuvix was a healthy black Talaxian Vulcan hybrid cut down in his prime. #justicefortuvix

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>>86839352
Better than Voyager.

>>86839208
Tuvok and Neelix died. Then Tuvix died. Then two replacements of Tuvok and Neelix were created, unidentical in spacetime coordinates and therefore not exactly the same as the aliens who died. Three died and two abominations were spawned. What moral calculus makes this right? Has pro-transporter propaganda brainwashed everyone in this society? Is that why no one cares about which specific iteration of Harry Kim is serving so long as he's close enough?
*tears down statue of Gene*

>>86839362
He would never. Admiral Trump would respect Tuvix's right to exist then tell Janeway she was fired.

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>>86839424

>>86839450
>as he's close enough
They did this with O'Brian too, and technically Data's head.

Neevok was too powerful he had to be destroyed.

>>86839495
Data's head is still Data's head, it was just aged for a few hundred years like Bender's head in Roswell that Ends Well.

O'Brian is the same too, just from 3 hours in the future.

I don't have

M O N E Y P R O B L E M S

Imagine if Farscape and Voyager were somehow the same show, they would have kept Tuvix around forever.

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>When will the switch go down?
>Tonight, right before the transfer. From there I'll be able to hook up with some friends with the Maquis
>Are you sure you want me to have your life?
>I've moved on, but you obviously still love her
Will left to join the Maquis as Thomas. That's why Riker was such a dipshit who allowed a 30 year old Bird of Prey destroy the Federation Flagship.

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>It's Raining Men! Hallelujah! It's Raining Men! Amen! I'm gonna go out, I'm gonna let myself get absolutely soaking wet! It's Raining Men! Hallelujah! It's Raining Men! Amen!

GRAND NAGUS

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>>86839450
>*tears down statue of Gene*
*runs you over with my shuttlepod*

>>86839208
Tim Russ has gotten crazy looking the past few years.

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THIS BITCH....

Tuvix: Please help me Kess, the captain wants to murder me. I don't want to die!
Kess: Fuck him Janeway I want Neelix back so I can dump his ass in 2 seasons. Kill him.

>>86839941

Tuvok: Best Vulcan ever.

The 'Tuvok Investigates' episodes were always top tier. Especially the one where he out mind-fucked the mind-fuckers, and then was cool as a cat a second later.

>>86839978
Tuvok is why Terrans and Humans will always be bros.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxHNU1LrR4

>>86839951
The way Janeway just transparently caves in to this ~2 year stockholm brained old rape victim pisses me off.

>>86840031

I've always wanted to see what it was like when Tuvok was undercover and Janeway was his handler. That's a side to the characters that was hinted at and never explored. Same with the Maquis. Same with the evil Caretakers.

They never gave Mulgrew a chance to make her character develop, they gave her four or five personalities that were randomly assigned per episode. But Tim Russ was solid in every episode, the ones that focused on his character, and the ones that didn't, and maybe because they hardly ever focused on him, he got to also be consistent.

And let's face it, he's two centuries old. He's not going through any kind of major character development. This is just the few decades he spent in the DQ to him.

>>86840076

It was a fairly transparent mother-daughter thing they were trying. Even more transparent with Seven. The rumor was that Kes would rebel later in the show, but she left instead of Kim.

>>86839450

The self is the mind, the vessel is irrelevant beyond allowing the mind to exist. Two became one, then one became two. Nothing was lost, no lived experience ceased to exist, which means the practical consequence of death was avioded.

>>86839657

I can see why he'd think Julius Caesar would be predictable, but I wonder if Garak would like some other Shakespeare better.

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>>86840514
I think he'd prefer something like 1984 or Brave New World
>Doctor, these 20th century humans were really on to something!

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>>86840514
I think Garak is a Tennesee Williams guy.

>>86840514

Maybe Titus? He'd at least get to watch Humans acting completely insane.

>>86839057
She literally did nothing wrong and you are all hypocrites. It's easy to say she did the wrong thing when isn't your life on the line.

>>86841542
They were already dead. And even then, not really.

>>86841655
They weren't, they were stuck inside Tuvix and she freed them.

>>86840514
I'm not /lit/ buff, so what would pass as "repetitive epic" in our literary history?

Whatever that may be he'd probably be in favor of.

>>86839649

Imagine if Farscape and TNG were somehow the same show, they would have kept the two Rikers around forever.

>>86839057
man i just started voyager and i gotta say that kim is such a fucking virgin

>>86841832
the virgin ensign vs THE CHAD LIEUTENANT

Species #9283
The Sneeds (formerly Species #0001 Chuck's)

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>>86842012
*punches you in the face for your low-quality content*
*gets cheered on by child in the audience*

>>86841765
imagine if that show was then murdered

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>>86841940

>>86841718
Star Wars
>>86841765
You mean kill one of them off at the end of the next season with an eye for maximum Troi breakage
>>86839450
Alright who let Admiral McCoy access an extranet terminal?

>>86839424
must have missed that ep

THIS IS NOW OFFICIALLY A /TREK/-THREAD

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>>86829582
>ATTENTION TRAVAILLEURS BAJORIÉNNE
cardassians or klingons speaking french must sound so ridiculous

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"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs"

>>86839424
They should have never done the Time Warp10 again.

I don't like DS9 or unironically gay humour.

>>86844023
>unironically gay humour
It's just our resident "man with XY chromosomes, no wait, gender dysphoria".

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>>86843574
"Commander, let me tell you about my sexual organs."

>>86839057
tunigs

>>86842885
Would you please stop posting that nazi frog?

>>86839450
>Then two replacements of Tuvok and Neelix were created, unidentical in spacetime coordinates and therefore not exactly the same as the aliens who died.

These people use transporters daily. They obviously believe in arrangement-functionalism (the mind or soul arises out of the arrangement of atoms, not the particularl atoms in those arrangements).

>>86839424
Is that julia louise dreyfus in the back row?

>>86844274
It's not really about souls anon. It's about your consciousness. I don't really feel like explaining it but people have written a lot about it.

>>86844525
Yes, I know. I studied philosophy of the mind anon.

And I'm saying that in a society where people willingly walk into transporters, they probably believe consciousness arises from the arrangement of the atoms. Continuity isn't important. Therefore, as long as the transporter has perfect accuracy with the reconstruction, it's no more dangerous to your consciousness than falling asleep.

>>86844564


I feel as though the original post lampshading "pro-transporter propaganda brainwash[ing]" automatically reduces your responses to nothing more than bloviation.


I studied your posts anon.

>>86839057
>What the fuck is wrong with Janeway?

She's a murderer.

>>86844639
>all responses that are counter to my opinion are invalid propaganda

Shit tier belief system you have there. How do you sleep at night?

I literally mean that: how do you sleep at night, believing as you must that since your consciousness is not continuous, you're going to die, and something that isn't you will wake up in your body?

reminder that consciousness/souls are real in star trek and they exist despite the body

>>86844670
Why are you lashing out about a tongue-in-cheek post just because it gloriously predicted the boring drivel you would generate in response?
Oh...

>>86844717
Why do you think someone questioning your belief system is "lashing out"? Why so sensitive?

Also, nice "prediction"

>"hey guys, I'm so retarded unf I bet someone will call me retarded unf"
>"retard"
>"haha got you"
>

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>>86844709
reminder Akuchimoyaism is the one true faith.

Reminder that sisko is a war criminal who should have been subject to court martial, stripped of his rank, and imprisoned.

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>>86844911
Agreed.

Eddington and the Maquis also were not on a Federation world, technically, but a world inside the demilitarized zone which should negate all of the previous arguments that neglect this fact.

>>86844709
I'm perfectly fine w/ this because I don't want death to be the end.

>>86845657
How can there be an end when the universe is eternal?

I studied mind physics.

>>86845784
>How can there be an end when the universe is eternal?
Good point, I too believe in the law of conversation of energy.
>>86845459
#justiceforeddington #jesuisjavert

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>>86839057
>you will never have a suit that fly

I don't appreciate DS9, gays, or digest responses. Good bye.

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>>86844911
How could there be war crimes, when there wasn't any war?

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>>86839057
Computer, take the record of interior optical sensors around Captain Janeway at the exact moment she made the decision to end Tuvix's life, expand by 5000%. Increase the humidity of the holodeck by 200%, extrapolate the scent of Janeway's moist vagina and begin venting into the atmosphere. Loop the audio, visual and olfactory systems on a 5 second timer. Disable safety protocols and start program.

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>>86839843
>both sides....

>>86845877
>digest responses.
someone's got an upset stomach

>>86843574
That took you long enough. You're slipping

>>86843528
>cardassians or klingons speaking french must sound so ridiculous
what about Data speaking perfect German?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jNDUn6IL7s

>>86846137
>Colin Ferrel as thumb
>Ronny Cox as full size
WHAT?!

>>86847089
and better yet, what does Jellico have to do with his post?

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Janeway was very close to Tuvok. She would have known how much he hated everything about Neelix. Tuvix would have been a fate worse than hell itself, for Tuvok, so she did the right thing by him.

kill marry fuck

Keiko, "tell me about your sexual organs", Neelix

>>86839057
>What the fuck is wrong with Janeway?

the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one..

>>86841711
It makes less sensecwhen you think of how the transpoter works. It arranges the molecules in the target location to recreate what is being transported then it vaporizes the original. Effectively cloning something then killing it.

Essentially, if the transporter were modified, all three could have survived

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>>86844083
Go on...

>>86839951
More like eight episodes, iirc.

>>86844274
>>86844525
>>86844564
>>86844639
Doesn't even matter, Broccoli was conscious during the datastream or whatever and Merryweather in ENT says you can feel yourself in both places at once. I think what it does is simulate your mind in the buffer, link that simulation to your brain so your consciousness is transferred to the buffer as your body is deconstructed, then does the opposite with the new body.

>>86845459
>>86844911
It's less a war crime than almost all the firebombings of WWII.

>>86847089
>>86847121
It's a site bug, sometimes images uploaded at exactly the same time get their thumbs swapped.

>>86847089
4chan uses UNIX timestamps to create filenames, if two images get uploaded in the same millisecond then they can get mixed up.

>>86850547
so basically they get merged like Tuvix

>>86850620
that's meta

>>86839057
i dont really like voyager

>>86841718
Buddenbrooks. Book by Thomas Mann, horrible, but got him a nobel prize

>>86839649
>>I've moved on, but you obviously still love her

This is surprisingly deep an arc.

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>>86850620

>>86839649
Tom Riker was a mirror universe Riker.

>>86851239
no

>>86840031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXtjlHmZiQI

>>86851384
WE AIN'T FOUND SHIT!

>>86851360
Trek rules state that if transporter fucks up and beams in duplicate that duplicate is the from evil mirror universe.

>>86851384
RELEASE THE FORCE FIELD.

The Romulans should have been more like this.

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BAJORAN WORKERS! YOU HAVE NOT SURRENDERD TO CARDASSIAN SECURITY! IF YOU DO NOT DO SO IN THE NEXT 4 MINUTES I WILL BE FORCED TO RELEASE NEUROCINE GAS INTO THE ORE PROCESSING FACILITY

TRAVAILLEURS BAJORIÈNNE! VOUS NE RENDIEZ PAS À LES FORCES SECURITÉ CARDASSIÈNNE! SI VOUS NE COMFORMEZ PAS DANS 4 MINUTES JE SUIS FORCÉ DE AFFLUE LA FACILITIÉ DU TRANSFORMATION MINERAI AVEC GAZ NEUROCINE!

BAJORANISCHE ARBEITER! IHR HABT EUCH DEN KARDASSIANISCHEN SICHERHEITSKRÄFTEN NICHT ERGEBEN! FALLS DIES IN DEN NÄCHSTEN 4 MINUTEN NICHT GESCHIEHT WIRD DIE ERZVERARBEITUNGSANLAGE MIT NEUROZIN GAS GEFLUTET

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>making your season finale be a recap episode
What did they mean by this?

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If Voyager was more like Farscape Species 8472 chick woulda joined the cast as a side character.

>>86851648
That Q Who went way the fuck over budget and they put off making up the deficit for too long.

>>86851716
No it was because of the writers strike GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT IDIOT

>>86851648
>Troi growing a stache
what!?

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>>86851760

>>86851788
This is a Reddit response

ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS

I BANGED KIRAS MOTHER LAST NIGHT

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>>86851798
You're right, I shouldn'ta backed off when I'm so CORRECT.

>>86851848
It doesn't matter if you're correct, the slow creep of Reddit """humor""" and infestation of their culture into 4chan is a huge problem that no one talks about

>>86851682
>thought that was Janeway for a second
why the fuck didn't Chakotay and Janeway bang? They obviously wanted to.

>>86851943
Using reaction images to encapsulate a response started on 4chan years before reddit was a thing.

>>86851952
Chakotay knows you don't stick your dick in crazy.

>>86851848
why did TNG have such a small budget, even in later seasons they always had to struggle with their budget

>>86851952
He only bangs pure girls like seska.

>>86852003
Every episode of TNG cost like one and a half million, before inflation.

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>>86850093

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>>86839424

This is what season 5 would have been if they let Fred Freiberger produce it.

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>>86839208
best vulcan ever gets hooked on fuckin crack

>>86851648
I actually kind of riked this ep

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>>86841940

Yoink.

>>86852819

Are the holoprojectors out of alignment again?

>>86845840
it should be #jesuisvaljean you pleb
Eddington is Valjean, Sisko is Javert

>>86839208
Why did Tuvok turn into Armond White?

I want to see Ezri multiple FERENGI'D

>>86849809

So its fine to kill someone because you miss your dead friends? Thats a pretty fucked up way of thinking, especially since these federation pricks are always presented as super moral. And dont tell me Voyager would have been doomed without Tuvok and Neelix. Tuvix was shown to be able to take over their tasks. Not that Neelix was important anyway. They just murdered Tuvix because they missed their friends, thats it.

>>86853195
I wonder what Armond's favorite episode would be?

>>86853321
SO FUCKING WHAT! they existed first and they NEEDED Tuvok, he was essential to the crew.

>>86853385
And, like I said, Tuvix took over his job, so they didnt need Tuvok anymore. Sure, they existed first. then they died. so what

>>86853422
If your friend got "combined" with Neelix what would you do?

Was Locutus of Borg a unique life form? It's easy to argue that he was yet people have no qualms killing him to bring back Picard.

>>86853490
Not murder him, thats for sure. Imagine two of your friends are dead but you can resurrect them by murdering some innocent bystander. Would you really do that?

>>86852892
wait, are these telegram stickers? do you have a link to them?

>>86853587
Absolutely. I have no attachment to that random jerk. Plus 2 for 1 is logical.

>>86839352

It followed the same formula as TNG and DS9. Bad first two season great third. They canceled it too early.

Dont worry though everything will look like gold compared to the new one.

>>86845840
>>How can there be an end when the universe is eternal?
>Good point, I too believe in the law of conversation of energy.

Ya but for us it only matters if shit is in motion. If we reach heat death its fucking done son. Maybe we are destined to purposely restart the big bang.

Or maybe the universe is larger then we can see and all our theories are shit.

>>86845892

The best thing about Star Trek is that its a vehicle for good performances from guest characters. And since you can cover them up in makeup you get the chance to bring talent back again and again.

>>86851943
Lol, muh meme purity

>>86853618

Yep, telegram.

https://t.me/addstickers/Pepetrek

>>86854358
thanks man, appreciate it

>>86854369

No problem, I'll add more as I see them.

>>86852003
>>86852085
On a recent rewatch I was surprised at how few effects shots there were in TNG. Also each episode maximized use of the Enterprise interiors. Truly, a masterclass on economy. Still looked miles better than any sci-fi being made at the time.

>>86853352
"Sub Rosa is quintessential Star Trek kino. Anybody who doesn't like it is a Fake Fan who hates Star Trek."

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>>86855173

Anybody watch Black Mirror?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH85obU350E&t=24

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>>86839450
>Is that why no one cares about which specific iteration of Harry Kim is serving so long as he's close enough?

The Harry Kim that's serving is exactly the same as the one that they lost, up until the moment they ran into the anomaly. There isn't a "real" Harry Kim. You're treating the two Voyagers like a highway, with the other Voyager branching off the main highway. It's not though, it's more like a road with two equal forks in it.

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Better question, who was in the wrong here?

Tuvix was a shared condition experienced by two crew members after an incapacitating accident.

Tuvix talked about being his own person, but he was not. He wanted to replace two people, who had lived and struggled to reach that point, by the sole virtue of possessing their memories and knowledge. He wanted to be Kes' lover, Janeway's advisor and friend as well as cook and tactical officer, despite claiming he was a true individual.

He was not. He was an amalgamation of two crew members. He was not distinct from them at all. He did not die , because he was never even born. He was a condition that was cured, restoring two genuine people who had roles in many people's lives due to the fact that they lived ones of their own. Tuvix only sought to live both their lives, selfishly and impossibly.

Tuvix was not worth more than the sum of his parts.

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>>86855269
tfw harry kim is more effective than most security in the Federation

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>>86855237
These are the voyages of the USS Callister. Its continuing mission: To show you that technology is bad. Like, what if we had technology, but bad things happened? To boldly show you that bad technology will kill us all!

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>>86855413
What's the difference between Jadzia and the Wormhole?
There's still a few alien species that haven't been inside the Wormhole.

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>>86855832
>that time she admitted to fucking Bones

>>86847900
Kill Neelix, Fuck Keiko, Marry Sexual Organs

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Since this is a Star Trek thread I want to bring up a few quick points from my most recent DS9 run through.

>When the Romulans enter the war they had an opportunity to bring in a Romulan character that would act as their head military strategist. This character could have interacted with General Martok and Captain S that would have resulted in three formally warring groups working together while butting heads. It would have also given us insight in the Romulan Empire. Really a missed opportunity.

>This next point is fucking minor but annoys me every time I see it. In the final episode as Kira and her spoonhead companions storm the Dominion stronghold they get to a locked door and have a good laugh. That laugh is the fakest laugh I've ever heard. It makes my skin crawl.

>>86855832
Honestly I quite like how Jadzia was a bit of a slut considering how Kurzon was a massive man-slut. Ezri must have been influenced by Worf to calm it down a bit.

>>86856499
Isn't that sort of the point right? That it was forced laugh because of how depressing the situation was? Or do I have that wrong?

>>86856626
I think the laugh was supposed to be a genuine laugh at the how much they had overcome only to be stopped by a door but man it was like you asked a 10 year old to fake laugh.

>>86855832
Cutest Starfleet Captain.
Cutest counsellor too.

>>86856727
>Ezri
>Starfleet Captain.
You're delusional.

>>86856727
You are wrong as two boys fucking.

Literally 7 of 9, B'Elanna, Dax, Kira, Crusher, and Worfs tall as 1/2 Klingon wife off the top of my head are more attractive.

>>86856769
I would pay fortune to watch Star Trek: Aventine instead of Discovery.

>>86856821
>DUDE everybody should be a captain LMAO
You are the reason that the Star Trek books are garbage.

>>86856871
People shit on Jake a lot, but I'm just glad we finally had a main character who didn't get hard every time someone mentioned Starfleet

>>86853980
>Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Reptile Xindi #5
no leaning though

>>86857148
Why did they turn to manlets?

Okay okay, so, guys, guys...
A prison.
Every cell is a holodeck.
Obviously some safety protocols will have to be... reimagined, but think of it.
y/n?

>>86858149
great premise. Brings up the ethical question of "why do we imprison criminals? revenge, retribution, reformation, or just to keep society safe?"

>>86858149
Not okay with it
Holodecks should be used for experiments, pleasure or torture

>>86858309
A holodeck can do all of those, so you can have the same prison run by two administrators and see one as a brutal vindictive hellscape without end and one as a educational societal reintegration simulation where nobody can get hurt.

>>86856871
>Star Trek books are garbage.
Man this is an understatement. I thought I'd give them a shot and pick up ST Voyager: Homecoming that leaves off right where the show ends. It's fulls of errors and the characters are overly emotional as if we are reading about an immature version of them. It's mostly lazy writing that doesn't feel like star trek but a teen novel.

>>86858387
or maybe the victims get to choose their assailants fate.

>>86858449
Damn that's a good angle.

>>86851641
Which translation does the 4 minutes start during?

>>86844911
>Maquis wuz gud boys, dey dindu nuffin, dey was talkin' bout goin' back to scool, bouts to get they lives on track, muh colony needs moh replicators fo' dem programs.

>>86858449
Sounds more like Black Mirror than Star Trek. Better question is what other races' prisons are like, Klingon thunderdome prisons, whatever the fuck the Ferengi have etc;

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You know how when watching porn it loses it's impact and people increasingly will find new fetishes to overcome their desensitivity to what they are viewing? Imagine that in the holodeck.

>Computer activate Barclay 69
>Increase women's height to 9 feet and infect them with pon farr
>Increase aggressiveness by a factor of 7
>Generate a image of Counselor Troi who will watch and call me a bad boy
*deep sigh*
>Disengage the safety protocols and have sick bay monitor my vitals signs
>Begin program

>>86853622
What if you could only get 1 of the 2 back?

>>86858622
You can manage this like I do hard drug usage...3-4 times per month

>>86858395
I don't think any of the novels are considered canon, thank God.

>>86855269
Vidiians are such vile creatures, they need to be exterminated for the good of the universe. At least the Borg have the excuse that they're basically amoral computer, Vidiians are genuinely evil on a level that was never seen before in Star Trek.

>>86859000
>Janeway confronts the Vidiians who stole Neelix's lungs
>JANEWAY: So now I am left with the same choice you made. Whether to commit murder to save a life, or to allow my own crewman to die while you breath air through his lungs.
>MOTURA: It must be impossible for you to understand how any civilised people could come to this. Before the phage began, we were known as educators and explorers, a people whose greatest achievements were artistic. I myself am a sculptor of note on my world. All I can say is that when your entire existence is at stake--
>DERETH: You don't have to explain yourself, Motura.
>MOTURA: If the consequence of this act is a death sentence, so be it. At least it will put an end to my suffering.
>JANEWAY: I can't begin to understand what your people have gone through. They may have found a way to ignore the moral implications of what you are doing, but I have no such luxury. I don't have the freedom to kill you to save another. My culture finds that to be a reprehensible and entirely unacceptable act.
Why didn't Janeway remember these words in Tuvix?

>>86858549
When the recording says it in the language you understand, it's a very sophisticated program that looks up your personnel file and synchs up with the life support system in your quarters.

>>86858597
How can you not have seen The Undiscovered Country? It's the best Star Trek movie by a long way.

>>86858709
Yeah but imagine you had the ability to create and "hard drug" you wanted without consequence. Even at 3 or 4 times a month shit would get crazy. I mean the holodeck is essentially the means to create a fantasy without legal or financial constraints.

>>86852892
Is that a smug ezri?

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>>86859218

>>86851682
Janeway was such trash. That Chakotay dick belonged to Seven of Nine.

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>>86859277

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>>86846137
>>86847089
Please sit down on this biobed.

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>>86859189
True, Id have to get into some deep Vulcan tier candle meditating to not fall prey to this vice

>>86851648
Writers Strike

Same thing that fucked Heroes

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>>86839057
I've never really watched Star Trek except for the occasional episode of the original series with my dad, but once this episode came on the TV behind my bar when I was at work and business was dead so I just sat down and watched it. It really caught me off guard and was very intriguing, is the rest of the series like this? Which incarnation should I watch?

>>86856499
Nobody wanted Romulans

Remember how when they first got the Defiant they had to have a Romulan officer on board to operate the cloak so the Fed couldn't copy it?

Remember how they dropped that shit like a rock because nobody liked the Romulan?

>>86859811
>Nobody wanted Romulans

Where did this vote take place other than in your head?

>>86859811
>Nobody
The crew or the fans/producers?

>>86859697
Start with TOS (which begins strong but becomes weaker in the third season), then watch TNG, then watch DS9.

or

Start with TNG (which begins weak but becomes stronger in the third season), then watch TOS, then watch DS9.

>>86859697
The usual answer is to start with The Next Generation (the patrick stewart one), with the proviso that the first season is mostly ass.

If you're not willing to sit through total ass to get to the good stuff, then start with Voyager. Or The Original Series if it still holds your attention, but be warned it is VERY 60s

>>86859697
This episode is from Voyager

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>>86859697
Star Trek deals with morality a lot but it's not the exclusive focus on the show, and as they're all written by teams of writers, it can be very inconsistent. Voyager especially.

Use pic related to decide where to start, you'll probably end up going back to anything you skip when you're invested enough in it.

>>86859811
It was actually because they couldn't think of anything for her to do. War episodes would be no problem, but they'd struggle the rest of the time, or risk making the show too serialised by bringing that into every episode.

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>>86859883
>Voyager
>the good stuff

>>86859697
TNG then DS9 then TOS best episodes then the movies. TNG S1 is shit though so skip most of it

>>86859905
>How about 80s Action/Sci-Fi?
>No
>The Next Generation

This is a trollpost right?

>>86859811
>Nobody liked the Romulan
but she was a qt

>>86859697
watch either the Original Series or The Next Generation first. TNG is easier to get into tho the first season is weak and the second is so and so (has some goat episodes tho). After that it's great. Then watch Deep Space 9, great show as well, tho different in style from TOS and TNG. After that the quality drops a lot. You might enjoy Voyager, but I found it boring as fuck. If you didn't grow up with it then I doubt you'll enjoy it as well. Enterprise was kind of in a bad position - first two seasons were shit but it got better. But it only had 4 seasons (last episodes being a huge fuck you).

>>86859965
>This is a trollpost right?
Yours? Clearly. Nobody who has seen TNG would say it's an action sci-fi series, or has an 80s aesthetic.

>>86859697
Chronologically including time travel episodes

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>>86860030
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1A2zPqVq5w

you lying or you trolling

>>86860067
You're lying or you're trolling. TNG is 90s as shit.

>>86859697
The episode is from Voyager, but Voyager is an inconsistent mess because the writers didn't give a shit.

For example, if you watch the OP episode (Tuvix) then Captain Janeway says
>"There's nothing wrong with killing someone in order to save someone else"
but if you watch Phage (>>86859180) then Captain Janeway says
>"Killing someone to save someone else is reprehensible and entirely unacceptable."

Which Janeway should we believe?

>there will never be another good star trek show set in the tng/ds9 era

hiring z-grade writers is bad enough, yet they keep going BACK in time instead of forward as well

just end my existance

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>>86860067
Been a while since I actually watched it...

>>86860122
maybe the teleporters fucked up and created two Janeways that have been in cahoots to take turns stepping into their shared life so that neither of them have to die

>>86860179
>Eventually we will have a Star Trek series set in the 19th century

>>86860179
>z-grade
?

I agree that making prequels is a mistake, but STD has some A-grade Trekkers writing for it.

>>86860226
There are a few ideas I wouldn't mind seeing:
>A series or mini-series about the unification and pacification of Vulcan
>A series about Kahless and the Klingons
>A series about Kahn Noonien Singh and the Eugenics Wars.

>The initial TNG casting included a role of Lesley Crusher, a 15 year old girl

Would it have improved the show?

>>86860372
Never gonna happen. Suck it up and read the books.

>>86860377
If it meant that Will Wheaton wouldn't have ever become the insufferable online presence he is, then yes.

>>86860377
yes
well, I mean she'd still be shit, but at least it wouldn't have been Wesley

>>86860417
You mean you aren't enlightened by him calling you a racists and sexist pig? It's amazing watching the tech community evolve in to what it is over the past decade. It's trendy to find the biggest cry babies you can get your hands on and put them in charge.

>>86860478
There's a reason that the 80s stays in the 80s.

>>86860502
I mean, I go a little more to the right every time he insults me, so I guess he's changing me. Just not in the way he wants.

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>>86860502
>tfw tradie

>>86853503
>Cure for Borg infection
>Not counting on the tiniest possibility that Borg assimilation could lay dormant for decades
There's no reason to mourn for Locutus, anon. The Federation has a hollow victory on their track record.

>>86860377
girl (female) or girl (male)?

>>86839424
wh
what

>>86839424
>when people say white people have no culture and you're like "umm no, try again sweetie" x

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>>86843431
>>86844295
>>86862027
I feel old when I consider that I know Scott Bakula primarily as Sam, a man unstuck in time hopping back and forth into the bodies of celebrities and scjmoes who loved during his life time, and you kids know him as this.

>>86862225
>iktf
Chakotay is Hector from "Night of the Comet" to me

>>86855401
They did the right thing. They would have all died if they hadn't made Sim and Sim was only going to live 15 days no matter what so it was better than he sacrificed himself for Trip. It was a hard choice, but Archer did everything right.

>>86851952
Janeway was a true lesbian at heart.

You just know she had her way with 7 of 9 a couple of times.

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>>86862225
IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING
IT ALL KEEPS TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING
DOWN
TUMBLING
D
O
W
N

>>86863440
He does a good southern accent

>>86862225
Same.

Shit. Dean Stockwell is 81 and still working. What a fucking trooper.

bump to save tuvix

>>86865485
friendly reminder that Janeway did nothing wrong

>>86860122
I dont know how you would take an organ back from a vidiian. Wouldnt that just ultimately infect the organ recipient with the phage and leave them way worse off?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SePfKKxbMCk

>>86865573
They'd probably technobabble the transporter biofilters to mhnnhn whatever and it would be fine, if Janeway wanted to anyway.

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>>86859980

>Then watch Deep Space 9, great show as well, tho different in style from TOS and TNG.

Bit too different a style for me.

>>86867022
Seasons 1 & 2 had very hit or miss episodes. Better season 1 than TNG in my opinion, but still bad overall with few exceptions like Duet

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>>86867022
>>86867163
>Being this much of a pleb
I bet you started on the first shap too

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>>86867022

>>86867311
It's funny, because he looks exactly like what a fa/tg/uy would look like in the Star Trek universe.

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>tfw it's a cyberpunk Orion Syndicate episode

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>>86867539
was this intentional or coincidental? I am unfamiliar with that world.

Tuvix was annoying as fuck. I'm glad Janeway got rid of him.

We also needed a spin-off series of the Voyager crew as they are in "Living Witness" going around the Delta Quadrant.

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>>86868004
Definitely intentional. The only thing anyone can say for sure about the Wadi is they love games.

>>86856667
agreed
>>86856499
Again agreed. It was a missed opportunity. They had even introduced a character who could have fit the bill - but it seems they dropped it (her?).

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#TLM #TuvixLivesMatter

>>86860067
>ambojitsu
and it was never seen again

>>86868383
I just imagined them as degenerate gamblers initially, but now I get it...they represent an obsessive /tg/ archetype more?

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>>86868642
Everyone involved was taken out by Operation Holographic Yewtree

>>86867668
It's weird when the writers insert this dystopian stuff into Trek, especially when it's apparently full of Federation citizens happy to work for/with a totally criminal organisation

>Janeway probably thinks an abortion is a woman's choice
>murders an actually existing person so that two potential people can exist again
Really makes you think

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Why is this allowed?

Roddenberry never would have allowed this. I mean just LOOK at those dabos

>>86867668
>tfw we will never get a Star Trek series set on group of colony worlds at the edges of Federation space
>where The Federation 'controls' things in name only
>where crims and gangstas run rings around Federation Security on a daily basis because all the talent and resource is dragged into the centre of the Federation

>watch Voyager
>episode 3x05, False Profits
>the Voyager crew find a way to get home tho it will be tricky and they have to time it right
>they get fucking outplayed and distracted by fucking Ferengi
this episode made me so mad. the people on the planet weren't really that badly off and were just being exploited. Once the Ferengi drop off their lives would've become better, or hell, they could have just revolted and gotten all their fortunes back or anything. The Ferengi aren't immortal. Why the fuck did Janeway decide to get involved?

>>86869701
Because Janeway gets irrationally obsessed with something once she pursues it. Her stubborn nature is rivaled by none.

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>Prepare for ramming speed!

Why didn't the Federation use Emergency Command Holograms to retire old starships like this during the war? It's a great tactic.

>264 posts
>98 IPs
>not a single good argument about why Janeway was wrong for fixing the teleporter accident called Tuvix
Woah, so this is the power of the Trek fanbase

>>86869794
Well Worf almost did it with the Defiant during First Contact with the Borg cube.

Gave me pretty hard laugh when I watched it the first time.

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>>86869794
>you are like a little baby, watch this
>fucc

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>>86868804
>apparently full of Federation citizens happy to

I like to think of Picard as an intensely political figure within the Federation and Star Fleet.

Raised at the literal heart of the Empire relatively next door to the imperial capital.

There is a reason a man like that ends up as Captain of the Federation flagship. His politics fit the bill. Everywhere he goes is a projection of power by the Federation and it is always the insidious 'soft' power play.

>related
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hdiuRMK3UQ
>also dat 'For You' from Garek

If this type of 'insider' exists within the Federation (we see families, generational members of Starfleet, judges, the Trill) then there has to be an 'outsider'.

Someone who loses the game. We never really see a story about them. How they some bump along within the Federation 'order' of things. We see glimpses. Bashir and his parents. The Syndicate. Even as early as Tasha Yar and her back story.

Always at the edges but never in full focus. Would love to spend some time in that world. Right after the Dominon War would have been the perfect time to explore. But no. We will never see it.

>>86860377

Yeah, I mean at least I could have masturbated to her then.

>>86869939
>sacrificing the one with the tactical advantage

>86860837
>tellmeaboutyoursexualorgans.jpeg

>>86869953
This is sort of what they did with The Maquis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpUHa9_pJ0

>>86870003
They didn't have the time or ships to evacuate the Galactica, but the Pegasus had already prepared for a suicide mission and left all non-essential personnel behind.

>>86869939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so10dKbhorI#t=7m19s

Best soundtrack

>>86869149
If roddenberry where alive, he probably would have fucked her before hiring her

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>>86870798
Bajoran woman were probably the prettiest women in the galaxy. I understand why the Cardassians wanted to occupy them.

>>86839657
Can't wait for next month with GothamS04(starting on 28 September,every Thursday on Fox) : Dr Ra's Bashir crazy shenanigans in Gotham City!!!

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>>86870798
F

>>86868804
The most weird part is that fed citizens don't use money and full employement is part of the federation constitution, so how does it come that you can bribe a starfleet officer or even create a criminal organisation inside the federation. And even if the orion syndicate operate outside federation territory why would any human want to live on a planet full of mobsters and criminals when he can just take the first transport to earth ?

>>86871771
You need money to buy anything the Federation can't or won't provide you for free, like non-replicated goods, or anything at all from non-Federation planets. And hookers.

>>86871771
I'm guessing that being a Federation Citizen must be a very basic existence. We have only really seen the upper class of Starfleet and not really the average joe.

>>86871771
There will always be people like Sisko that don't the Federation seriously and can be corrupted

>>86871974
>people like Sisko that don't the Federation
Wait, he didn't the WHOLE Federation, did he?

>>86871771
btw how do starfleet personnel pay their bills at Quarck's if they don't get paid ?

>>86872113
He sends the bill to the federation which covers all the expenses

>>86872113
Unexplained, fan consensus is they must be getting a stipend from Starfleet as they were deployed outside Federation territory.

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>>86839057
>what the fuck is wrong with Janeway?

shit character. shit writing. shit series.
and the only way either neelix or tuvok deserved to end was as a phaser burn stain on a carpet. FUCK BOTH OF THEM BTW. neelix for being a greasy pedofile clown befitting of being trek, and tim russ portraying the most shitty vulcan in the history of trek.
Voyager is fucking garbage.

>>86872227
>*unbefitting

fuck autocorrect

>>86851483

Will Riker is the duplicate, so that would make him the mirror Riker.

>>86872200
They were employed by the bajoran government who probably paid them which was put back into the stations economy.

>>86873181
They weren't employed, they were requested to help and protect them, and Starfleet didn't charge Quark for rent or energy so I doubt they would to Bajoran nationals either, nor accept payment from the government, I'm not sure how the station could even be profitable other than attracting people who would then spent money on Bajor.

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I feel bad letting Trek threads die, bump

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>>86875260
Ok, then post based side characters.

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>>86875328
Obligatory virgin lieutenant

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>>86875328
>Why Anon, I've not seen such graphic fantasies since Jean Luc

Who was a better captain, Sisko or Archer?

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WTF....this changes in season three...It was unexpected and frankly I was unprepared

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tfw no qt kardassian gf to SPOON

>>86875588
Barclay was our guy
>does his job well
>highly skilled with computers
>never bothers anyone
>constantly bullied by chads riker and worf
>spends day jerking off in the holodeck

>>86875613
>She will never listen to your disgusting fantasies about her that she pretends to be appalled by but is actually turned on

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>>86875641
Archer, the more he is dissected the more you respect him.

Cared the most for the crew
Was the most endearing(friendly)
No support system like the others
Terrific diplomat(mostly)

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>>86875716

>>86875749
But he is downright heroic at the end of Voyager
We would have fucked that all up

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>mfw watching Conspiracy for the first time
why the fuck did star trek suddenly wander into The Thing territory and at which point do the events of this episode get addressed?

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Friendly reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.

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>the year of hell
>kes visits it during her reverse time traveling
>tells voyager about them
>the year of hell episode
>HOW ARE THE TORPEDOES GOING THROUGH OUR SHIELDS
>they are chroniton based
>they didn't know this initially

???

>>86839057
they had to reset things back to the way they were. it's just how serials work.

it's why i find star trek a bit unsatisfying overall as they only ever seem to flirt with an issue and never resolve it properly.

>>86875920
The concept was too expensive to keep using, that species won't show up again and got reworked into The Borg, though I don't think there's anything in-universe which connects the ideas up. How are you enjoying the show so far?

>>86875613
>Anon, why are you thinking about Will gaining weight and a 40-foot tall version of my daughter?

>>86876107
>How are you enjoying the show so far?
it's great, halfway through season 2 now
after having watched it with my dad as a toddler and understood nothing, it's rather refreshing to go back and actually enjoy the show for what it is-- it's just that the tonal shift from the rest of season 1 in Conspiracy caught me off guard
plus the fact that high-ranking star fleet officials getting controlled by alien brain parasites wasn't at least properly addressed in later episodes bothered me

>>86858622
>infect them with pon farr
>infect
Isn't the pon farr a neurochemical imbalance? I mean, I guess Vulcans can spread it via mind melding when attempting to initiate mating, but I would use the word "afflict".

>>86875948
The whole time I was watching the episode I was waiting for them to explain this, but they never did. That's Voyager I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIGxMENwq1k

Rewatching TNG again.

Life is good.

I can't believe this show is as old as I am. The special effects are still realistic enough even though it's 30 years old. Wow.

>>86867022
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>>86843574
>>86844083
Here's a webm for next time

>>86859918
Yeah, this is why you don't make another series of a franchise when the writers, etc, aren't into it and/or look down upon the material. I mean, it's not like you have to be a superfan, but you have to appreciate what makes a franchise good before you go about writing and creating new material to add to it.

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>>86876806
>I can't believe I watched it when it first aired, me and my neighbor every Saturday night.

Gonna re-rewatch it when im done with ENT.

>>86875646
The first episode of season 3 was really unexpected for me. I thought there was going to be some sort of magic reset button time travel to undo the attack on Earth. Bricks were shat.

>>86877398
They were saving the Magic Reset Button for the beginning of season 4.

>>86876806
The TNG Blu-Ray transfer is proof that us early millenials really did live in a golden era of sorts.

Other than some of the shit prosthetics, it's damned beautiful today as it was then.

Though, not sure which you are watching, assuming it's the Blu-Ray, do you have sound issues? I swear the music and effects on mine are far louder than the audio.

>>86877398
Yeah , Im just into it and don't really know whats happening, they were looking for Xindi in the expanse and T'pol gave trip a back rub.

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>>86877531
>ywn never get any sort of rub from T'pol

>>86839057
>No excuse
Yes of course, two crew members should have to be erased so 1 new one can stay.

>>86839208
This. Most males are just full retard.

>>86839450
Well if you wanna go that route, everyone who uses a transporter dies.

>>86875785
I don't know if he's underrated, but he is underappreciated.

>>86872227
>Tuvok worst Vulcan
Pleb tier taste, anon. Tuvok is clearly best Vulcan and Tim Russ is bro tier

>>86859905
>Nemesis
>Voyager
>Bad
>DS9
>Good
StarTrek shills are the fucking worst. This is how we got Jar Jar Abrams Trek.

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>>86877589

>>86869701
>>86869778
>Because she's a wooooman!!
>Cue screaming and whining about Voyager
Seriously, I'm to the point where I'm pretty sure sterilizing everyone on 4chan might just save the species. You faggots praise DS9 and more every time I see one of these threads FUCKING ENTERPRISE, but shit on one of the most interesting Series. What a bunch of monumental fucking retards. And all because a woman being captain makes you furious little virgins.

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>>86839057
>tfw your friends realize they like their old friend better so they murder you to bring him back

>>86877947
>7 years

>>86875716

What is it about cardie girls that makes them so sexy?

>>86877739
>7 years

>>86878178
Blue spoons and neck ridges.
Exceptionally libidinous.

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Trek died with Roddenberry.

Live long and Lobster

>>86878354
Star Trek didn't get good until Roddenberry was no longer running the show.