Star Trek will never be as good as these three series again

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>voyager
>good

>>86759335
The last three seasons are DS9-tier.

I'm not sure modern audiences would bother to watch boring story driven science fiction that isn't about people shooting lasers at each other. Also in order to provide an inclusive vision of the future nowadays they'd have to include transgender otherkin and shit.

>>86759263
Once they realize the error of their ways they will try again in a few years to give us the post voyager series we deserve.

Unfortunately by that time many of the actors from the older shows will be too old or dead by then to make any cool cameo appearances.

What a shame.

>>86759380
>they'd have to include transgender otherkin and shit.
You don't have to make everything /pol/, you know. You can keep that to yourself.

>>86759392
>You don't have to make everything /pol/, you know.
the irony of this post

>>86759389
I don't need the original actors, it can be this timeline just somewhere else. Like maybe we could see a Federation relief effort to help rebuild Cardassia and the Klingon Empire. Like a Reconstruction in space series with new characters.

>>86759392
He's not wrong though.

>>86759419
I don't think you know what irony means, sport.

>comparing a shitheap like Voyager to based TNG

>>86759392
>you're not allowed to mention how the modern political atmosphere relates to a series that had overt political messages embedded in the setting
go cry about it in your safe space

>>86759425
That sounds like a neat idea, or maybe just another exploration episode, or just of a ship doing it's duties and regularly docking on starfleet bases and what not. Didnt TNG have a similar mission as TOS?

>>86759429
Maybe if you are autistic.

>>86759442
it is you who viewed it as pol. it could have just been a sentence. you decided to view it as pol and ironically say dont make everything pol.

>>86759452
You aren't offering anything constructive you triggered fucking faggot. You're just looking for (you)s in order to do the usual song and dance where you complain about whatever the bait of the week is.

>still no ST-themed sitcom located on Risa

>>86759464
>REEE TRANNIES AND OTHERKIN OMFG PLEASE RESPOND!
>woah, don't call me /pol/ friendo ;)

>>86759483
>>86759496

triggered

>>86759459
TNG was about exploration and establishing first contacts with new species, yeah.

>>86759507
>anyone who responds to me is triggered
No updoots here, buddy.

>>86759483
>guy mentions point directly related to topic of thread
>come into thread bitching about pol and trying to derail things
>people tell you to stop sperging
>omg stop saying things that aren't constructive
ok retard

>>86759389
personally i would have completely reset the timeline in this next series.
I would start set in the 24th century and had cameos from all 3 series. Some calamity threatens the destruction of the federation and earth and before everyone is destroyed Q drags a starship (enterprise?) back intime to the 1700's. The crew hide the starship on earth (does not work with enterprise really) and sail into the sunset on a tallship to live the rest of their lives in the 18th century. 200 years later an adventurous young boy named gene discovers the ship and has good convo with the holographic doctor learning much but after leaving never finds the ship again (don't really need this but lol) then move to the present and start the series in earnest with someone finding the starship.

>>86759553
>guy mentions point directly related to topic of thread
Stop kidding yourself, it wasn't. You and I both know it was just bait to bitch about (insert boogeywoogey here)
>come into thread bitching about pol and trying to derail things
I'm the OP, you can leave whenever you want. Maybe everyone is just sick and fucking tired of hearing you retards complain about trannies and whatever """not /pol/""" shit you want to derail with.
>people tell you to stop sperging
Reverse that, fag.
>omg stop saying things that aren't constructive
Because it isn't constructive. "wahh, wahh, abloo abloo, can we talk about trannies please?"

Kill yourself.

>>86759518
So they could probably get away with doing it again. I mean, it's fucking space! It's huge!

I think this was what made for such great television. I liked how the format wasn't completely serialized either. It was a cool new adventure every episode and often times reminded me of the twilight zone.

TOS mostly reminded me of the Twilight Zone, but then TNG refined the star trek format more and made it out to be what I love most about the show. If they just gave us a newer updated show that felt more like TNG with new characters in a progressed time period, then it would probably do very well among trek fans.

>>86759596
what

>>86759626
I liked DS9's unique overarching plot and how it dealt with the imperfections of the Federation moreso than the previous two series.

>>86759606
>I'm the OP
ok.
>already be in thread then start bitching about pol and trying to derail things

>Stop kidding yourself, it wasn't.
it really was. but nothing i say is going to stop you from bitching at windmills so w/e

That scene where Data started rationalizing terrorism. Holy shit.

>>86759682
Still posting, huh?

>>86759666
I honestly have never watched DS9, but from all the posts I see here i'm pretty interested in starting it at some point.

>>86759707
It has that Star Trek curse where the first 2 to 3 seasons are shitty, then it picks up.

>>86759638
instead of this new destiny series i would have set the next series in present time with the plot i out layed.

>>86759682
>you:"STAR TREK IS GONNA HAVE TRANNIES AND OTHERKIN OMG CAN WE DISCUSS THIS?"
>"fuck off, /pol".
>you:"woah man, I mean don't derail the thread...wow, nothing personal kiddo, just want to be on topic!"
You aren't fooling anyone so fuck off.

get real.

ST:NG I wanted to be good so bad that I forgot how bad it was. I put an episode on, shit episode.Then another... shit episodes. There's maybe one season of non-shit episodes out of the whole thing.

DS9 was unexpectedly good. I liked the continuity between episodes the the story arc, which was new to Star Trek. Cisco was the human hero, where you say "you stupid cuck!" every once in awhile.

Voyager? That shit aint' Star Trek. First episode: Kill all the white straight men save for the jail bird. Then it's laughable aliens with paper in their hair. It was so bad they had to spray paint a costume on Jeri Ryan to get guys to watch and pimp her out because there was no one for the almost universally white male geeks to relate to.

>Slow series with episodes that are 90% just people talking to each other to solve problems in constructive ways
>Willing to evenhandedly present both sides of a conflict instead of automatically defaulting to one or the other. Often there is no good answer.
>Mostly episodic so it can rely on lazy suspense and has to make every episode appealing on it's own merits. There can be an overall plot, but the focus is on a new situation each week.

It wouldn't just not last a single season it would never even be greenlit

Star Trek is dead, we might get a new "star treK" but it won't be star trek.

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>>86759720
good to know! thank you, i'll keep that in mind when i'm checking it out.

>>86759606
> nutrek and every other major piece of media is litterally set to be a modern sjw circle jerk and anything that doesn't circle jerk hard enough gets in trouble
>its just le /pol/ boogyman its not real!
You Couldn't be more disconnected from reality

>>86759765
>laughable aliens with paper in their hair
kek

>>86759765
>Next Gen
>is shit
0/10 bait

>>86759769
That's why netflix needs to pick it up or something. It's not good for cable TV, but it would go well on a service like Netflix.

CBS All Access is ass, Netflix is already established so I think it would work better.

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>>86759795
>nutrek and every other major piece of media is litterally set to be a modern sjw circle jerk
>its just le /pol/ boogyman its not real!
sure, retard. Whatever you need to tell yourself.

>>86759795
>You Couldn't be more disconnected from reality
>/pol/ is just a boogeyman
you need to be 18 to post here.

>>86759380
trek has always been pretty leftist. The real problem with the new series will of course be the atrocious writing, not leftist topics. Then again trek has always been philosophics for peasants. "borg are bad because muh fredoms" is about the extent of it.

>>86759769
>>Slow series with episodes that are 90% just people talking to each other to solve problems in constructive ways
>>Willing to evenhandedly present both sides of a conflict instead of automatically defaulting to one or the other. Often there is no good answer.
Implying there is no place for this on HBO or Netflix.

>>86759884
The word you are looking for is "progressively liberal", not the "leftist" meme. Also, good work on oversimplifying entire story arcs involving the Borg. You've clearly watched Star Trek.

>>86759884
>"borg are bad because muh fredoms" is about the extent of it.
The Borg are bad because they subjugate entire species without their consent, into a hivemind matrix that abandons their individual agencies as sentient humanoids. It destroys their entire population by ensuring they can never reproduce again. Over time, many species who become 100 percent assimilated, end up extinct.

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>>86759864
>doesn't refute my point
I knew you were objectively incorrect but this cements it

>>86760027
>he thinks he made a point
That's cute, you didn't.

>>86760053
>still no argument
See >>86760027

>>86760138
There's nothing to argue you dumb cunt.

>>86759263

Enterprise is as good as TNG and Voyager.

They just fucked up the ship design.

>>86759263
>25 continuous seasons and 6 movies between the years of 1987 and 2005

No wonder Star Trek went totally dead for 4 years and it took them 12 years to make another show. People were tired of it. In that 18 year span there was a constant flow of uninterrupted Trek.

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>>86759392
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>>86759916
When does it ever get beyond that? The borg are never shown as anything but evil.

>>86760149
But there very clearly is, and youve very clearly chosen to ignrore it because you know you are wrong and There's nothing you could possibly say that could refute the reality of the situation

>>86760321
Watch the fucking show.

please ban posters that reply to everyone

>>86760324
Or, there isn't an argument...

>>86759978
I know. They're obviously presented as evil communists who steal peoples freedoms. There is no nuance to them whatsoever. They could of course have come up with a plot where say, some poor wartorn people actually welcome the borg to make things more interesting, but as with virtually all other topics the series touches on its just good vs evil.

>>86759335
It starts out terribly. The first two seasons are basically trash. It gets better after they get far enough from the aliens chosen from the Klingon reject pile.

It would have been better had the alien species been better, but sadly enough it never does get fully rid off those.

>>86760343

everyone reply to this guy

>>86760326
I did. So I ask you again, when does it ever get beyond that?

>>86760397
Holy shit, just watch the goddamn show, nobody is cartoonishly evil in Star Trek...

>>86760356
I made a statement here >>86759795
, you could have proven that statement wrong but since it is objectively correct you cant and you know it so have instead decided to deflect for 10 posts, further indicating that i am objectively right

>>86759884
>The real problem with the new series will of course be the atrocious writing, not leftist topics.
Well I still maintain that the main problem is that people don't want to watch talking about allegorical aliens when no one is shooting lasers. But I was saying if the show creators wanted to maintain the 'inclusive evolved society etc etc' shit without people getting pissy about their specific demographic being left out they'd have to start including things that would probably be more weird/repulsive to mainstream audiences than black people.

>>86760397

Borg are malevolent communists that cast aside useless species and races.

It's actually a good depiction of a classless society where everyone is the same.

I'm sure it was done on purpose to counter the Feds = Commies routine. Feds are socialist or socialist-lite.

>>86760439
>It's actually a good depiction of a classless society where everyone is the same.
It isn't though because such a society could still allow free time and individual thought. It would just be deflection to compare your society to the borg when the most objectionable thing about the borg doesn't have a parallel in your society.

>>86760416
>you could have proven that statement wrong but since it is objectively correct
Fine, let me waste a post on this retarded fucking shit that you should be smart enough to figure out on your own.

How do you think that's an argument, huh? It's just sperging out about some media SJW boogeywoogey that doesn't even really exist. Attitudes in television and film change and modify over time, this is something that literally happens every 5 to 10 years you dense cunt. Let me guess, do blacks being in capeshit bother you? Or gays? Nobody actually gives a fuck outside of triggered brainlets like yourself. Are you being forced to watch these films? Are movies forcing you to spend 20 bucks on a ticket? No, they aren't.

So, you want to know why this has never been an argument? It's just you bitching and moaning about changing attitudes and themes in television and film that you and your conservative uncle don't apparently like.

In short, it's not a real argument, nor is it a real concern. So fuck off already.

>>86760518

You can argue that communism can only work when everyone thinks and feels the same.

>>86759263
>Star Trek will never be as stupid as these three series again

Fixed that for you.

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>>86760533
>It's just you bitching and moaning
the irony

>>86760439
Its not a good depiction, because people in communist societies are actually not all the same at all. Just because you have no classes doesnt mean people all act the same. Its like saying all members of the lower class act exactly the same, of course they dont. This is one of the biggest problem of trek. People/Creatures often just represent their species and lack individuality to drive home a point. Ferengi are greedy, Klingons aggressive etc. Of course there are exceptions but most of the time it holds true. The only species who gets to be nuanced are humans. In that sense the series is literally racist in the sense that everyone acts according to their race

>>86760533
>nothing has changed, its just very clearly changed!

This would be why you avoided arguing

>>86760411
Pic related is Hugh. Hugh was assimilated at a young age and Picard goes to great lengths to break him from the Collective and regain his individuality again. That isn't the first time though, in Voyager there is a whole group of ex-Borg who want to remain in their own Collective, then there is another group trying to undermine the Borg Queen's authority over the hivemind. TNG goes to great lengths to show the audience that the Borg drones are victims that can be rehabilitated despite the fact that Starfleet would rather wipe them all out.

You don't watch the show.

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>>86760610
I forgot to add the pic.

>extent of politics in trek was that you shouldnt call black people niggers ect. or be an asshole in general for no reason, including to women
>nutreck is an alt liberal fantasy where only people of colour and white women are a thing and the few oppressive cis white males that do exist are comic book villains

>trek has always been this way! Fuck off /Pol/ boogyman !

>>86760439
>It's actually a good depiction of a classless society where everyone is the same.

Except Locutus and the queen, right?

Wait... If they're all the same then why do they all have different numbers or names?

Why are you all so fucking dumb?

>>86760576
So again, you don't know what irony is or how I'm not the one bitching here, you are. Are you autistic?
>>86760601
>nothing has changed, its just very clearly changed!
I think you are illiterate, this is literally not even close to what I said.

You can stop posting at any time, autist.

>>86760648
>back to deflecting

>>86760635
>>nutreck is an alt liberal fantasy where only people of colour and white women are a thing and the few oppressive cis white males that do exist are comic book villains
Except it's not. You retards just keep making this up. Remember that fake ST Discovery article you spammed a few weeks ago, friendo?

>>86760665
Am I being baited here? Do you even know what deflecting is? Holy shit, go back to rebbit already. This is embarrassing.

>>86760635
>nutreck is an alt liberal fantasy where only people of colour and white women are a thing and the few oppressive cis white males that do exist are comic book villains
nice headcanon. Maybe is you screech about it enough times, you will get preteens to start believing it?

>>86760600
B-B-But muh Drumpft voters... they're all the same! They're all two scoop raysiss nazis that it's ok to hate and stereotype and marginalize and profile and discriminate against and subjectify and...REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

>>86760755
>/pol/ is a boogeyman

>>86760610
Yes I've seen the episode. How does that plot make the Borg more nuanced? The crew saves him and he slowly realizes that the Borg are evil and individuality is great. Then at the end he sacrifices himself to be borged again( if I recall correctly) to help the crew. Good vs. evil again.

>>86760600
>The only species who gets to be nuanced are humans.
Stop making stupid statements.

>>86760676
>>86760725
Prove me wrong. Both the trailers and comments from those involved have proven me right so far, point out specifically where and why i am wrong

>inb4 i dont have to!

>>86760755
I dont even... where did you get from that to something about Trump. I know its hard to understand but not everyone on this planet is caught up in constant democrats vs. republicans bitchfighting. Take your strawmen somewhere else

>>86760778
>surely throwing a tantrum about pol when something tangentially related to it was mentioned would never lead to people to act more like pol
all of this is op's fault for sperging out instead of just focusing on the specific subtopics they wanted to discuss

>>86759263

TNG and DS9 are some of the best sci-fi television shows of all time. They are works of art, and will still be enjoyed a hundred years from now.

Voyager does not deserve to be uttered in the same breath as them let alone put in the same category as them. I know some of you do it simply to troll and get (You)'s, but some of you are actually delusional or stupid enough to believe this.

Voyager had some of the worst writing of any tv show ever. Stunning, shockingly, appealingly bad. It is irredeemable terrible and anyone who defends it is either a fool or a charlatan.

>>86760822
>Both the trailers and comments from those involved have proven me right so far,
They literally don't. Why don't you understand this?
>point out specifically where and why I am wrong
how about the fact that not only have you not seen a single fucking episode, not only the fact that there is literally only ONE trailer out with any of the characters, but how about the fact that the only tangible evidence you even remotely have is in people's blog responses and the twitter posts of "literal whos" who aren't involved with the show?

Fuck off.

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>>86759263

>Voyager in
>TOS out

>>86760568
No you can actually not. You dont need classes to be an individual. And if you look closer at various communist societies you will see that obviously these people were just as individualistic as people in other societies. Even though in many you werent allowed to express various political views, but that isnt exclusive to communism

>>86759263
>1987-2002
>every year that went by was matched by a year going by in the 24th century

I miss those times.

>>86760868
>surely throwing a tantrum about pol when something tangentially related to it was mentioned would never lead to people to act more like pol
This has to be the most autistic defense for acting like a retard I have ever seen. "Don't tell me to fuck off, or I'll act like an autist even harder! That would obviously be your fault ;)"

Sometimes I need to be reminded that people with actual mental handicaps, post here.

>>86759335
I enjoyed Voyager because their main arch was getting home, stranded far far away for years.

>>86760858
It's called satire numbnuts. Stop taking everything you see so literally, like a stupid retard does.

>>86760940
i'm not defending anything you literal retard. i'm just stating the fact that you're a whiny baby and this leads to people trolling you.

>>86760800
>I am so intellectually stunted, that the only takeaway I got from the episode was that da Borg was ebul
Picard refuses to download a virus into Hugh against Starfleet's orders because the Borg are a sentient species with the right to exist. It's more complicated than "they ebul teehee". The Borg is a complex problem to Picard and Hugh represents why.

>>86760986
Yes, I'm obviously whining here. Silly me, I should have known that even if I even remotely use the word /pol/ in a sentence, I'm triggered automatically. Sure in convenient.

>>86760962
Yeah. Just like Gilligan's Island.

Trivia: Who was Gilligan? Skipper? Mary Anne? etc.

>>86760986
>don't call me /pol/, I'm warning you! I'll act like a retard if you do!
I hate how reddit destroyed this board.

>>86760906
TOS was trash. The films were great though.

>>86761017
>>86761058
You people have downs. Some idiot declared that people polposting in a thread after the op started crying about pol was proof that pol really was lurking and trying to derail the thread. I pointed out that people would be expected to polpost to troll op once op revealed how butthurt they are about pol. That's the only thing that happened in this exchange.

>>86760963
Or maybe next time write something actually funny or satiric

>>86761171
So again, despite most of this being revisionist history, your point is "don't call /pol/ out or else they will be inclined to act twice as retarded on purpose ;)"

If you don't see how autistic as fuck that is, you need to leave.

>>86760993
Yes, its an interesting conflict to Picard, but again how does that affect the depiction of the Borg? And how much more interesting would this situation have been if the Borg were shown to be more than just mindless villains?

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>>86761171
>/pol/posting
>isn't proof that /pol/ comes to /tv/
How ridiculously naive are you? Holy shit.

>>86761206
No. My point was "the inference that pol was really out to get your thread because people are now polposting is not valid". Stop trying to psychoanalyze the secret motivations people have behind their posts and just learn to read.

>>86760905
They litterally do though. Everything about it supports the idea that my assumtion is correct, mean while all you can do is sperg out and say "Youre wrong" without pointing to specific evidence that im wrong (pro tip:You refuse to do so because there is no evidence for you to point to because you are wrong)

>>86761206
Why are you libtards/trektards always pushing for more censorship of things you don't like or ideas you disagree with? Is it some kind of mental disorder that has been classified so I can read up on it?

>>86761270
>pro tip:You refuse to do so because there is no evidence for you to point to because you are wrong)
I can't prove a negative to something that doesn't fucking exist, you easily manipulated teenager. Why don't you show me a single example of your bullshit even happening? There is only one trailer even out. The show isn't even out. Nobody has seen it.

Stop sperging out about boogeymen.

It's high time for a ST-series with a predominantly non-human crew. human supremacy must end.

>>86761259
>the inference that pol was really out to get your thread because people are now polposting is not valid
Then you are stupid, mate. Stop making excuses for retards.

>>86761275
>following board rules and avoiding crossposting so threads don't get pruned
>is censorship now
You people are pathetic.

>>86761335
That's ridiculous. Who would even want to watch an all nigger Star Trek?

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>>86760242
>Enterprise is as good as TNG
This is like when people unironically defend the Star Wars prequels. It's just pathetic and embarrassing reveal how bad their taste actually is.

>>86761406
you mean ds9?
captain = nog
chief-engie = potato-nog
chief-scientist = woman-nog
kira = nog for cardassians
quark = barkeeper-nog
garak = outfit-nog
bashir = pooinloo-nog

>>86759380
Considering how many people praise shows where nothing happens and you could edit whole season into good movie, i'm pretty sure that lack of action is not the problem.

>>86761766
>but SJWs made Star Trek
fuck off.

>>86761533
>Considering how many people praise shows where nothing happens
like?

>>86761275
>everyone who responds to me is a libtard.

>>86762165
Seinfeld.

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strongly beg to differ, they could easily continue TNG with a new cast which has been discussed but never in talks for production, but hey gotta start somewhere.

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implying that the new STD wont blow trek fans away since they have a female lead, a gay character and more minority roles than any previous trek making it the most popular trek made to date.

>>86762252
>and more minority roles
Star Trek has literally always been diverse, you false flagging faggot.

>>86762252
>The Orville is an upcoming comedy-drama science fiction television series
why.

>>86762296
People like space comedy.

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It was Star Trek done right.

No faggots
No feminism
No PC
Less technobabble
More realism
More character
Interesting aliens
Solid storytelling

Trektards hate it because it isn't gay enough.

>>86762338
>he posts this in every Star Trek thread.

>>86762296
I'm looking more forward to Orville than that shitty new SJtrek show that uses that shitty JJ style.

>>86762338
why do all these people look photoshopped into the image?

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>>86762706
wasn't even the first afaik

>>86762706
How is this SJW? What are you even saying anymore?

>>86761076
Pleb, TOS is the only good Star Trek series.

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>>86761438
Daily reminder that Enterprise was the very best Star Trek series ever produced.

It was Star Trek done right.

No faggots
No feminism
No PC
Less technobabble
More realism
More character
Interesting aliens
Solid storytelling

Trektards hate it because it isn't gay enough.

>>86763677
Wow, twice in one thread?

>>86763600
(((tips)))

>>86763901
(You)

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>>86760415
>Nobody is cartoonishly evil in Star Trek
At least until DS9 anyway

>>86760533
Found the jew.

>>86764070
They weren't cartoonishly evil either.

>>86764117
>teehee you a joo
This your first day?

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>>86762338
>>86763677
I'm flattered Fellas... really... but especially by this guy >>86763677 Not only because awesome dubs, but because I would never use this one's >>86762338 picrelated with that.

Anyway... thanks again, guys.

>>86764322
You are just calling anything remotely progressive, SJW aren't you? Stop talking in memes you retarded faggot.

>>86764322
Are you using SJW as a pejorative? So it was bad that they had the first interracial kiss on television? Otherwise, just call it progressive.

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>>86762706
Newsflash - In-universe, they were both being telepathically forced to kiss against their wills. Neither one of them appreciated it, and they both felt violated.

>>86764497
I'm not that shitposter, bud.

>>86764412
SJW is a pejorative, Percy. It cannot possibly be anything else.

tng was written by bleeding-heart libcucks
ds9 was good but felt small in scale, some episodes were straight out of theater
voyager was best

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>>86759377
>The last three seasons are DS9-tier.
nigga what show were you watching?

>>86759263
>ds9, startrek that does not do any trekking
>angsty commander not even a captain

imbecile (You)

>>86759263
>Star Trek will never be as good as these three series again
ENT is better than VOY, imo.

I rated every episode and found my average rating for each series, and my ranking is apparently
TNG > DS9 > ENT > VOY > TOS

I guess TOS last feels a bit blasphemous but while the best episodes were definitely TOS, for every good episode there were like twelve of utter shit.

>Janeway
>good

she's crazy

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Name ONE (1) TNG/DS9/VOY episode.

>>86766641
The one with faggots in it.

>>86766641
inne rlight

>>86766606
That's a good thing. Look at Sisko. Crazy is great.
We already had the follow-the-rules types with Pre-movies!Kirk and Picard.

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>>86766641
For me it has to be The Wounded

>>86766641
Without looking it up:
The Best of Both Worlds
Q Less
The Caretaker

>>86766641
Nemesis

>>86759335
DS9 fags are totally deluded and like rabid dogs on this board.

>>86759263
>they didn't want to set STD after everything else
>We'll never get to see any cameos from previous Treks while they're still alive
>We'll never see Geordi commanding his own ship like he did in the Voyager timeline
>We'll never see Jean Luc go back to France
>Tuvok will never be an Admiral
>Harry Kim will never get to climb up the ranks and will forever be an ensign
>Worf will never be the Starfleet Ambassador to Qo'nos
>Sisko will never be discovered as assassinating a Romulan to get them to join the war
>O'Brien will forever be the only enlisted man in Starfleet
>We'll never see the rise of the Breen
>Cardassia will never be rebuilt
>Never have to deal with the fallout of the only real power in the Delta Quadrant (the Borg) suddenly being destroyed and the power vacuum that caused

What a joke. Say what you want about ENT, but it at least felt like a Trek show.

Just finished TNG and I feel empty inside. DS9 is fine so far but I miss the spaceship exploration feels, is it gone forever guys? Will Enterprise make me feel good again?

>>86766641
Encounter at Farpoint, The Emissary, The Caretaker(?)

>>86767047
>O'Brien will forever be the only enlisted man in Starfleet
what?
>Never have to deal with the fallout of the only real power in the Delta Quadrant (the Borg) suddenly being destroyed and the power vacuum that caused
I thought they only destroy the hub-system

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>>86761247
>Borg were shown to be more than just mindless villains
...but like man, they werent mindless vilians, at all. Fucks sake literally watch VOY or First Contact, but fuck Picard for that BIG MISTAKE NO ONE TALKS ABT
>chak-a-doodle-ding-dong gets lost on a planet full of de-assimilated borg drones from multiple different cultures n species
>Seven of fucking nine
>Sevens development over the seasons, going from "I want to be re-assimalated, you irrelevant bitch" to sacrificing herself to the borg queen for the sake of (janeway) the crew
>Seven and janways' interactions
>Seven of nines parents research on the
borg
>fuck sevens parents
>unimatrix zero or "special borgs get into heaven"
>janeway, tuvok, b'elanna volunteer to get assimilated to save borg
>the borg children
>icheb
>absolutely fuck ichebs fucking parents
Fucking pretty interesting situations

>>86760629
I want to adopt Hugh

>>86767242
>what?

it's a joke that almost every single person you see in the show is at least an ensign - except for O'Brien, who's a chief petty officer, so he ranks below everyone

>>86764677
TNG was optimistic

Maybe you're just a miserable little cunt

>>86764497
>that's not at all what makes Discovery bad.
I disagree in that I believe discovery to suffer from everyone bracing for impact on female characters not needing no man and being given mandatory "oh snap" moments when they are offered assistance by a man just to show them how much they don't need them.

I say this due to the initial backlash to criticism from the studio PR department focussing on sexist views instead of actual criticism. We're miles away from the Ghostbusters 2016 PR debacle, but this mindset of "Going on the offensive, focussing on the parts that everyone disagrees with to rally the troops" is nothing new.

In my opinion, Star Trek was at its best when it didn't focus on individuals fighting opressive systems, but when the Federation struggled to keep up their ideological supremacy in the face of reality, more often than not having to compromise as a result. Take one of the greatest Series villains, Dukat. What made him great, apart from Ayylmaos acting chops, was the fact that he was the main character of his own story. His beliefs were true, and his actions where logical in the pursuit of those beliefs. I can't be sure, but I think that the show creators made up the whole "Pah-wraith" arc just to turn Dukat into the villain everyone hates due to him being not hated enough, to little of a true villain, by the audience.

Quotes about how the Klingons show "The divided america" lead me to believe that Discovery is going to fuck this up majorly and give us some kind of virtue signaling instead.

Still gonna watch it, hoping to be wrong.

>>86766641
Encounter at farpoint, trials and tribulations, Demon

>>86759263
>voyager
>good

>>86767047
>We'll never get to see any cameos from previous Treks while they're still alive
Watch them. Timetravel shenanigans are sure to be part of this trek too.
>We'll never see Jean Luc go back to France
MORE MUD FIGHTS! WE NEED MORE MUD FIGHTS!
>Worf will never be the Starfleet Ambassador to Qo'nos
That's the STO timeline, right?
>Cardassia will never be rebuilt
This, so much this. Also Romulus. If they REALLY wanted to deal with [CURRENT YEAR] issues in ST:D, they should've gone full future and give us issues with how to deal with refugees from two proud, warlike civilizations that still have a lot of resentment towards Starfleet left. Give us a story about a group of Cardassian refugees trying to adjust to life on Betazed, only to, despite their best intentions, rub some betazoids the wrong way. Give us a young romulan boy joining a crew and going full Naomi qt3.14 only to radicalize himself further and further and finally blow himself up for the Tal'shiar in one episode, leaving everyone to deal with not only the loss of a friend but also the implications of fear towards any new romulan refugees that are going to grow from this.

>>86767139
Man I remember being where you are last year, and nah, I don't think that the comfy Picard and friends feeling can quite be matched. Maybe it's the theme song.

That being said, the other series are still pretty good, and do eventually help fill the TNG sized hole left over.
Dunno how far through you are but DS9 gets fairly addicting by the Dominion war.
Even TOS with Kirk etc. is worth checking out.

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>>86759377

DS9 sucked.
Stinky space hag et al.

also, nice dubs

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>>86762338
>It was Star Trek done right.

got some hot babes, too

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>muh prophets

It was a good thing DS9 had a great supporting cast, because Sisko was a shit character played by a shit actor.

Here's some dialog. Name the episode.

"They call us terrorists, but the truth is, they have been terrorizing us for centuries."

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>>86759335
Voyager is classic Trek whether you like it or not. Enterprise was already too much of a departure from the spirit of the series and felt like any random mediocre sci-fi series. New Trek is prue garbage and the people that back it deserve to be exterminated.

>>86772503
Do they grease long hair to keep it under a short wig like the one she wore, or do they just put it up dry?

>>86772503
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE

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>>86762252

>lens flare

FUUUUUUUUUUUCK

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>>86772503
TOS had some hot yeomans

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>>86767025

>>86772503
>Terran Empire
Why did the new movies not go there instead of Kelvin?

>>86774904
Because the general audience aren't 13 year old edgy summerfags like you are.

>>86774974
What does the Terran empire have to do with edge and summer? The fanservice you may dislike, but you can't tell me that you didn't enjoy the empire episodes, right? The DS9 arc is still one of my favourites.

>>86774723
When you rape someone, always make sure you tell them, "Just a minute", at least more than once.

>>86775056
>>86774904
Terran Empire is too retarded to live.

the humans are constantly back stabbing and torturing each other. trying to enslave the entire galaxy.

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Discovery should have been set in the 70 years between Undiscovered Country and TNG.

>>86775196
And that's exactly what happened. Do you even Star Trek?

>>86759335
Thought this for years but I'm watching it atm and its certainly not bad.

>>86764580
Sjws are contemptable people.

>>86775241
>tfw Francois gave away your table

>>86775268
Hungry people often say a similar thing about ramen noodles.

>>86775257
yes.

the empire fell because Emperor Spock reformed it into something closer to the Federation. then sometime during the early TNG era. the Klingons and Cardassians merged and took out the Empire. Which wasn't able to fight back because Spock neutered them.

>>86759263
>voyager
Kill yourself

>>86775268
thanks to nemesis and jjtrek lowering the bar.

>>86762265
>coming to 4chan of all places to defend minorities.

Did you get lost?

>>86775275
Not as contemptible as niggers, Jews and women though, right 4Chinners?

>contemptable
lol you loathsome piece of shit

>>86775943
>trying to defend sjws

I hope you burn.

>>86775103
its too bad grace whitney turned to drugs and booze after trek

>>86775943
>lol you loathsome piece of shit
Those are the SJW Neo-marxists.

Hope we see more of you run down on the streets. Its wartime.

/pol/ needs to leave

>>86759263
Kirk

Isis destroys historic art and apparently so do SJWs.

Keep statues up. Change names of schools and shit.

Right wing stop being racist. Left wing stop being stage one thinkers and spazzy idiots.

>>86760993
>Picard refuses to download a virus into Hugh against Starfleet's orders
Wow what a faggot. But blowing them up is perfectly acceptable right?

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UNION

>>86777750
Hugh was sentient, uploading that virus would be like putting a bomb in a hostages vagina and letting her escape

Voyager was mostly shit
>it's another chakotay native-american bullshit episode
>it's another captain proton episode
>it's another holodeck-year-2000 episode
>it's another Neelix episode
>it's another Janeway completely fucks up a chance to go home because she refuses to betray X principle while she already betrayed it 50 times before episode

That said there were some really enjoyable ones and I really liked the finale.

>>86777816
Let's see
>sacrifice one life so the borg no longer exist
>don't do anything and let the borg continue to assimilate entire worlds at a time, leading to billions of deaths or assimilations
Really activates my almonds

>>86777984
>muh greater good

This bullshit again. The point is there was a third choice, which he took - let Hugh go back, bring individuality to the collective and let it implode from the inside out

It didn't work, but it was the moral choice

>>86778065
Putting Picard in a torpedo tube and firing it is the better choice

I got CraveTV when I subscribed to HBO for free.

I get all star trek on demand! I'm so happy and haven't left my bed in days. Watching TNG all the way through for about the third time.

>>86759335
Voyager is definitely shitty compared to its predecessors but the OP's point remains valid. It will still never reach Voyager levels again, sad as that may be.

>>86778376
agreed

Why was Sisko's dad the niggest? He was from New Orleans not Angola

>President of Earth isn't human

the fuck is this shit

>>86779572
have you ever been to norleans? dark as fuck there

Just gonna throw this out here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d4tiSwoIHY
I found her dancing very easy to fap to.

>>86772503
Mirror universe series when?

>>86775379
So? That's a good setting for alternate Star Trek in my book.

>>86764762
Cultural Marxism isn't real, retard.

>>86764877
>you are an imbecile if you like DS9
Fuck off.

>>86759263
>tfw Discovery won't be comfy

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literal hero

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>>86775652
>"wow this 4chan place is so cool, better be pointlessly racist!"

>>86769764
>I say this due to the initial backlash to criticism from the studio PR department focussing on sexist views instead of actual criticism
This literally has not happened with Star Trek Discovery. It is all manufactured rage from /pol/

>>86781278
you need to go back nigger

>>86761462
>bashir
>poo in loo
Bro, crack a book or look at a map

>>86775652
Imaging being so fucked in the brain that you function like this.

>>86775977
>muh boogeywoogey!

>>86777000
>just come in a thread to instantly /pol/ post

>>86779750
He was President of the Federation you retard. Earth only represents Starfleet...Starfleet is human, Starfleet doesn't run the Federation.

>>86780984
>there are no mirrorverse-eps of TNG or VOY
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>86781386
Such edge

>>86777984
>sacrifice one life so the borg no longer exist
Picard would have literally been killing billions of drones if he used the virus on Hugh.

>>86781600
such butthurt

>>86781648
>deflecting any criticism of my autistic behavior as "butthurt"
That's a sign of autism.

>>86759263
Voyager was not that great overall but it had 3 good episodes.

I think you're speaking from a nostalgic point of view OP, even TNG which is everyone favorite pick has some truly awful episodes.....I don't know where they came from but I suspect there was a changr of writers who probably wanted to be working on something else entirely, I will look into it.

Only truly good series is DS9, anf even it has some flaws because it relies heavily on other series in order for it's stories to make sense, so somebody who had never seen Star Trek before might be confused.

>>86778065
>muh greater good
Welcome to literally all of trek

>>86781727
stay triggered nigger

>>86775241
>dat comfy uniform

>>86759380
>2017
>watching science-fiction
>Without cute meme animals
>or fun songs my dad mom played on the way home from school

And where are the quirky quips??
Not even once.

>>86777894
>the finale

I liked the episode, but would have liked some more epilogue. What happened to all those characters once they got home?

>>86775241
This. I want to see the adventures of NCC-1701-B.

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>>86781705
DS9 had some truly awful episodes too

>>86781869
That episode got Sisko his baseball

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>>86759380
>I'm not sure modern audiences would bother to watch boring story driven science fiction that isn't about people shooting lasers at each other.

>Arrival
>Interstellar
>Dawn of, Rise of, and War for the Planet of the Apes

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>>86781869
True that

>>86782156
Literally the best episode of the first season

>>86774904
Because that would be shit.
>Ernest Goes to Space

>>86782101
Critics liked those movies. Audiences didn't.
Who has more cash to spend?

>>86769764
>in the face of reality
Hmm

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>>86782288
>Critics liked those movies. Audiences didn't.

Demonstrably false. Arrival has 82% Audience Score on RT and made over $100m domestic on a budget of under $50m. The Apes movies are box office juggernauts (and have to be with the shit ton of money they cost to make). Audiences like Interstellar more than critics did, and it made over half a billion dollars worldwide.

>>86775196
I prefer the Terran Empire version of 1st contact to be honest.

>>86759389

I don't get why since Voyager ended all the series have to be before TOS. Couldn't they try moving forward, introducing new technology and species?

>>86773610
2009 Trek was a fun exciting adventure.

I didn't ask for it, but I enjoyed it anyway; I agree with RLM 100%.

>>86782218
You better report to sickbay

>>86782156
I liked that one. I'm also a VOY fan, although TNG is my favorite. I actually like VOY better than DS9.

>>86782560
>introducing new technology

What new tech was added after TNG brought in the holodeck?

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What is this shit?

they've had sentient robots for fucking years in Data, what the hell is this bullcrap?

>>86782872
Different quadrant

>>86782560
Because they couldn't think of any more advanced Science and Technology to make use of for sci-fi stories. Trek tech is already so damn impressive and most of the fringe science theoretical concepts have already been mined for plot junk.

What else would they going to use? Instant interdimensional intergalactic time teleportation ships?

Or worse, the bio-tech is better meme. Like what if the special genetically engineered nanobots producing organ that made it so whenever you took a green shit, you could eat that shit then travel through time. At that point it would be a parody of itself and feel like Rick & Morty.

You just end up with the same problems that happened ever you encounter new cultures, or fuck with continuity, and the series have already covered most of that stuff, at least in a handful of episodes.

I think going back in time was actually a good idea, rather than make the universe more complex and confusing, they can stick with their already impressive tools and gadgets and use a futuristic setting to reimagine current social issues, or better yet imagine upcoming ones, can this be done without being ham-fisted in while still being entertaining though? I honestly don't know.

>>86782806
>>86782980

Well, the idea of introducing new technology is more to show progress, but I think it's more important for them to have a story further in the timeline instead of going back.

>>86782560
>>86782980
The "Post-Voyager tech would be too advanced to be credible" meme is bull because JJTrek and now Discovery have and will show tech that's far more advanced than the TNG era.

>>86783044
>I think it's more important for them to have a story further in the timeline

It isn't.

>>86783119
I think you're confusing set design and prop aesthetics, with technology that is actually intended to be considered plausible and functional within the Trek universe.

Obviously things are going to look more futuristic because DIS is made decades later than TOS, but the crews should have the same tools at their disposal.

Both crews will have access to computers, but obviously in Discovery were not going to hear tape decks rolling around when they access them.

All long running science fiction franchises have this problem, look at Alien and Prometheus.

>>86783369
In Voyager, their journey across the Delta Quadrant would take 75 years at maximum warp.
In JJTrek, the starbase in Beyond is on the edge of the Delta Quadrant, with ships already going in and exploring it.

I don't care that much about how it all looks. I just want the typical Star Trek philosophical debates about the opposite sides regarding morals and values and the human condition etc etc. Star Trek Discovery's trailer showed none of that. If it doesn't have that typical fascist self righteous federation propaganda, it's not going to be Star Trek at all, which would be a bad thing.

>>86783309
This. Why exactly?

To be honest I would just prefer to watch a Mad Max or Walking Dead like show set during the "Post Atomic Horror" maybe with some human do-gooders and a Vulcan ambassador trying to rebuild civilization with idealism and ENT tech.

>>86783768
More like Fallout than Star Trek

>>86783649
Fucking exactly right

>let me be perfectly clear, I'd destroy this ship before handing any part of it over to the Kazon

Bitch you crazy

That shit right there, that's how mutinies happen

>>86784263
Yeah...but you know the USN would do the same thing.

Do you think the Navy would ever allow North Korea to capture a US sub with nukes? They would self-destruct and the crew's families would all have flags sent home.

I think that was fairly realistic.

>>86784263
as if you'd hand over your 60" TV to a pack of niggers

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>>86784263
>year of hell
>day 70
>most of crew dead, ship in ruins
>WE'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR SPACE

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nothing wrong

>>86784512
Are you Dukat?

He did nothing wrong.

Hey anons, I'm halfway through season 2 of DS9 and I'm still wondering when it starts to get a bit more interesting and exciting than it is right now

Friend of mine told me that the beginning and the whole entirety of S3 are really good, and the endings of S2 are also good but I'm not sure. The general pace of this show seems to be a bit off.

Also when the fuck does Worf appear? How long do I have to wait for Michael Dorn?

>>86784576
Why is the Gorn on the list? He was just plain stupid AND too weak

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>>86766606
She delt with some crazy shit man, shit Picard never did, or Kirk or even sisko
Fucking either destroy an entire race to send your crew home or strand your crew possibly forever in an unknown quadrant
Fuckin dealing with the constant threat of absolute absurd destruction for 7 years.
The kazon
The borg
De-assimilating a borg drone
time travel 3x, the third to get her crew home 70 years early
Fucking threshold
I'm sure I'm leaving a lot out but her 7 year stint in the D-Quad was not like the alpha quadrant or even dealing with shit on the gamma quadrant where they had the all of Starfleet to talk to to help them ect. Janeway was out there cut off from anyone to help her so she basically did what she had to within her own moral code to survive n get her crew home.

>>86784834
they attacked outposts in the firstplace because they thought they were being invaded and led to the that

>>86784817
duet is the first best GOAT episodes of DS(

>>86784817
You have shit taste, the second Worf appears the quality of the show plummets. Not saying there is a connection. But there is.

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>>86784576
Why was I not included? FULL POWER TO THE DEATH RAY!

The Borg Queen was a mistake.

>>86784934
it needs a lot of editing. i feel like nonhumanoids like the crystalline entity and others are left out. they got the tar monster tho

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>>86759263
Replace Janeway with Archer and I'll agree with you.

>>86784947
Which one?

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>>86784576
>doesn't post the full list

>>86784947
Everyone of them, the very idea

>>86784576
Why isn't sisko on this
He admitted to cheating stealing and extortion there's a gif of it somewhere but seriously I get that everyone else is but not him

>>86785004
>>86785131

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Stop breeding with aliens.

>>86785136
he did wrong

>>86785003
Fuck off.

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>>86759263
Star Trek had a good run and doesn't need to return.

>>86784576
>being a contrarian
>the post

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>>86785314
don't talk to me or my dog ever again

>>86784512
except they destroyed hospitals, libraries and schools and replaced them with Cardassian buildings. The space station wasn't Bajoran you fucking retard.

>>86785327
but I wanted to see more of Patrick Stewart where he's playing an actual decent role, and not playing a poop emoji

kms

>>86785402
>I only know Patrick Stewart from Star Trek and the Emoji Movie
I was 14 once.

>>86767047
What is there reason for doing a prequel in the TOS era anyway?
>hey look remember spock and klingon baddies?

>>86785396
I'll do what I want.

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>>86785314

>>86785533

Anon did you get cbs all access for the upcoming show?

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>/tv. is so fucking bad now, that we can't even get an even remotely decent Star Trek thread without /pol/ making it about identity politics and sperging out.
If you retards manage to ruin lotr threads next, I'm coming for you.

>>86785431
Maybe you were 14 once, fuck if I know. Maybe you are 14.

I don't know who you're quoting though.

If you're talking about his role in the X-Men, I'd tell you that I don't really like the X-men as a franchise, but you'd probably call me a fag. I've seen Patrick before in Frasier too, for like the one episode cameo that he was in. Oh and that silly Robin Hood comedy movie.

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>>86785582
and to watch the old ones

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>>86777800
You're in Quark's Bar, Grill, Gaming House and Holosuite Arcade when this guys slaps your Girlfriend's Assets. What do you do?

>>86785627
You do realize that Patrick Stewart has been acting since the early 1980s, right?

>>86785654
Gee, I never guessed. Next you'll be telling me water's wet and fire's hot.

>>86785584
orcs=niggers

>>86785584

they already have and honestly their memes are pretty funny when it comes to lotr, which is why it is so effective at ruining it.

>>86785808
>live in harsh mountain country
>industrious, building all sorts of machinery
>descend from the black forests
>once plunged the world in total war, forcing all races to band together to defeat them
>about to do it again
they're germans

>>86785713
Well when you say absolutely retarded shit like "teehee he played the poopie emoji! X-Men are le boring", you lead me to believe you aren't that intelligent.

>>86785927
>being this new.

>>86785945
yeah obviously. didn't he come up with lotr while serving in the first world war?

>>86785584
This is the worst /trek/ thread in a while. They're usually pretty comfy and even have decent discussions sometimes.

>>86786167
I'm OP, I really just wanted a comfy discussion about DS9 and TNG but I can't even have that anymore.

>>86784856
>Fucking either destroy an entire race to send your crew home or strand your crew possibly forever in an unknown quadrant
That's a no-brainer for any normal starfleet captain
only insaneway would struggle with that decision

>>86786167
This wasn't an official trek general though.

comfy
>>86786269

>>86786336
>he thinks there are "official" threads
KEK

>>86785136
he cock-blocked Bashir, when he was about to faddig Kira

>>86786425
OP didn't put /trek/ general in his post

>>86786649
>you are only allowed one Star Trek thread

>>86786731
That's not what I said.

>>86786731
it's sad but it's true. only one star trek thread and a mandatory 20 got generals

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>>86760600
The Klingons whole shtick is probably the most retarded.

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>>86787371