/who/ - Doctor Who General

>>86733412
Interesting how the Capaldi era "clicked" with more hardcore fans (who actually watch the classics and listen to audios) than fans who only watch Nu.

>>86733412
gonna link to here i guess

/who/ vs TARDISposting - which is better?

>>86733554
It's not an unfounded fear. The only area Chibnall seems to have any level of consistent success in is "moving soulful moments", and you need a few other things (like a plot) to make a noteworthy Doctor Who story, let alone one as good as HS.

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>>86733609
Like you even have to ask

>>86733412
>>86733532
Another clicker here, it was a very meta run so more hardcore fans appreciating it more makes sense. Doubt we'll get another era like that for a very, very, very long while (it invited itself with the whole 12 as 1, new regeneration cycle, etc, even if Moff and Capaldi weren't already gearing towards that style, which they were).

Chibnall era might be great though, but it won't be meta. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Stories are gonna be about companions/plots/locations/etc now, rarely the Doctor themselves, and certainly not the show itself.

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>tfw the Bradley Walsh rumor will turn out fake

>>86733779
Well, at least we know that Chinballs wasn't going to bend over backwards for those loud fangirls who left in 2010 (yet are still vocal about the show) and give them a young, handsome Doctor who makes out with his companions.

>>86733975
I'm 100% sure its real.

What's are Braderz like as an actor? I've only ever seen him as a host on The Chase.

>>86734025
YOU WERE 100% SURE ABOUT KRIS MARSHALL TOO

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Finished this today. Pure companion kino. The ending chapter was especially comfy, and after the Doctor and Sam being separated for almost four books, it was a satisfying reunion, and I adored the character development it provided for them both. It almost felt that the overarching plot of the... bug alien things, was squeezed in almost a the last minute - slotted around all the character moments, and not really confronted head-on until the end. It was an alright resolution to the "bad guy of the week" scenario, but the alien enemies very much took backseat to the character moments in the novel. I'm not complaining, though - that sort of thing is almost what I prefer (with exception for plot-lines that are uniquely interesting.)

10/10 would read again

>>86734104
Cheers

Cheers,
Jon Blum

>>86734025
I wouldn't be surprised if it was real but only half the story, and there will be a young companion as well (the idea of it being the daughter of Walsh's character makes sense to me, given Chibnall's strength in writing families).

>>86733993
Also a good point. I feel like Chibnall has a pretty strong vision for the show, it's been cooking in his mind for years, and stuff like casting Jodie and saying he's gonna make it a big public popular thing again sounds like he has a very set plan for what he wants.

>>86734104
Cheers, Jon Blum.
But seriously, that sounds great the novels went that characterkino route

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>>86733208
I went and found the book and scanned the page - it's a bit pixellated but I promise you that this is the original thing - I fucked up the article as I was writing from memory

>>86734104
The Blum/Orman gestalt entity wrote some of the better EDAs - just wait till you hit Unnatural History

>>86734188
Is that the end of the snippet? How fucking weird.

>>86734188
l m a o w t f

I’m just typing it up here so others don’t need to squint at the image:

>One of the autograph hunters who crowded round him [Pertwee] later was four-year-old Edward, whose father is a sword-carrying soldier in Horse Guards’ Parade, London.
>”Do you watch the programme?” Mr. Pertwee asked.
>”Sometimes,” Edward replied, “but mummy doesn’t like us to see it. She says it isn’t a nice programme.”
>Mr. Pertwee, unshaken, said; “What do you remember about the episodes you have seen?”
>”The Daleks,” Edward replied. “I liked them.”
>One of the reasons the BBC has made Dr. Who so terrifying, apparently, is that it goes out on Saturday at teatime. Guaranteed several million viewers each week, the corporation has the chance to hold its large audience for later programmes.
>But does the BBC care who it offends?
>”No,” said Mr. Pertwee. “If people feel the show is too much for them there is a little knob on their TV set. They needn’t watch. They can switch off.”
>But if nobody watches, Dr. Who will kill himself.

>>86734296
Yeah, that's the end - it's just at the base of a page about Season 8 with some cool Target Novel artworks. I can go and scan some of them but it'll take a while.

The one on this page was The Claws of Axos, but for some reason the Spaghetti-Axons are green.

>>86734353
>But if nobody watches, Dr. Who will kill himself.
wtf

>>86734188
What?

>>86734104
How would you rate the 12 books you've read so far out of 10?

>>86734422
Jon "Dr. Who Will Kill Himself" Pertwee

>>86734188
The final sentence isn't in quotes, so Pertwee probably didn't say that, at least not those exact words.

>>86734596
We'll never know because the rest of that article isn't there.

>>86734353
>>”No,” said Mr. Pertwee. “If people feel the show is too much for them there is a little knob on their TV set. They needn’t watch. They can switch off.”
Based Perts

>>86734784
Just think, this was before all the madness with Mary Whitehouse or even these days with episodes like MotOE being pushed back to like 8.30pm for being too visually grotesque.

Would anyone be interested if I scanned some of the Target cover art? Most if not all of them are textless and quite big - there's 1 bit of art on each page, so there should be about 130 of them in total.

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>>86734151
kek

>>86734166
>But seriously, that sounds great the novels went that characterkino route
It's that sort of stuff that I love from the novels - aside from the ability for them to explore stories that would have the BBC budget managers shaking in their boots if it was in a tv format, it also allows so much more extra time and detail to really develop each character. It's always nice.

>>86734236
The two Blum/Orman novels so far - Vampire Science and Seeing I - have been absolutely fucking excellent. They seem to put in a lot more character moments than most other writers for the EDAs, I love it. Not that I don't appreciate the stories that focus more on the general plot, but.. like I said, character moments are the most enjoyable bits for me.

>>86734443
Oh, god. I don't know if I could properly rate them out of ten, because I'm weird in that a book could have the shittiest plot ever but if it has good interactions between characters, I'll always look upon it more favourably than I probably should. For example: Option Lock (the 8th book) was a fucking chore to get through when it got to all the political shit, but some of the scenes - like the bit where the Doctor and Sam pop down to London to visit Pickering? Those were so utterly enjoyable that I forgot how much I disliked the Krejikistan subplot. Similarly, The Bodysnatchers had bits that didn't exactly inspire any sort of feeling, but then the climax of the story became a lot more exciting. Genocide was another one that got a bit bogged down by its plot at times, but it had really great developmental moments. Alien Bodies started out as... almost too bizarre, at first? But when I got further into it, and settled more into the wilderness years level of universe exploration and expansion, I ended up rather enjoying it.

I've read so many of the novels in such a short time period, they all kinda blend into one at points. I'd need to give them more thought and glance over them again to rate them properly.

>>86734982
I would!

>>86735089
>it also allows so much more extra time and detail to really develop each character. It's always nice
That's the great thing with all the non-TV Doctor Who really, they've got a lot more freedom and can slow down and really make stuff work.

I know plot kind of vanishes out my head quickly enough but character stuff stays so I'm looking forward to swinging around to these books eventually. I find the whole idea of a whole huge range of 8 stories in a different medium daunting, but exciting.

Doctor Who is dead.

>>86734788
l m a o Rob, you saw
>>86732239
>>86733280
right?

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>>86735239
RIP

>>86735293
F

>>86735210
Just compiling a list of them so that if you want a specific one I can go and do that unless you wanted all of them.

i like that literally no one cares that we can see what /who/res are on facebook, /who/ is too comfy to go the cringy doxxing route

>>86735418
Have we been raiding TARDISposting? If so holy shit send screenshots

>>86735529
No, just a few lame-os making whiney comments at them

>>86735263
nope i literally just got back, kek, good job /who/re

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Is she really that bad or is this just what happens when you have a circlejerk of RTDchads?

i gotta stop reading TARDISposting, it drives me nutty. their discussion of susan is the worst.

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>>86735210
>they've got a lot more freedom and can slow down and really make stuff work
Yeah, not just creative freedom - since they're not constrained by budget or limits of vfx - but since everything's not all condensed into 45min segments of tv, there's so much wiggle room to add a lot of little comfy moments that they otherwise wouldn't deem important enough to include.

>I find the whole idea of a whole huge range of 8 stories in a different medium daunting, but exciting.
It will be a pretty new experience if you're just used to the audios, but it's worth it. The characterisation of Eight also might feel a little different at first because you'll start to get a sense of his physicality more than you ever could in audios (since he's a fairly hands-on Doctor, I think getting a full understanding of how exactly he moves really adds a lot to his character) but I do think the novel vs audio character interpretations blend well together. Particularly if you choose to view the novels as having come before the audios entirely. Or something of that sort, at least. Timelines are all very confusing, and Eight's especially so. All up to you where to place them, really.

>>86735786
Ah yes, Adam Mitchell - a companion true

>>86735786
Anywhere that isn't explicitly pro Moffat is probably going to have a Clala hatejerk going on.

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This is the list of the scans, >>86735210

>>86735811
>Particularly if you choose to view the novels as having come before the audios entirely.
That sounds neatest to me. What you said about his physicality is really intriguing too.

>>86735907
Wew, so many. What's that calendar art like?

>>86736038
The calendar art is smaller than the rest of the bits of art, but they're still clear.

Reminder that when Chibs starts being relevant /who/ will forget everything they ever said about families in DW (waaa who needs them, waaa soap opera, waaaaaaa if you want families you are pleb waaaaa) and will deny that as hard as they can

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>>86733727
What's the splink meme about? Sorry, new to /who/.

>>86734188
I think the newspaper's intended message is that the audience can't just be ignored as Pertwee suggests to criticisms of the show's violence. A show can't survive without an audience, after all.

On a unrelated note, one thing that really pisses me off is the whitewashing of Equity's role in the erasing of episodes. The claim is that it's all the BBC's fault, as if they cared about keeping the programmes they would have negotiated better terms with Equity - but that ignores the fact that Equity's contracts were specifically designed to make television as disposable as possible!

Reminder that Jodiekino in one bong.

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>>86736071
I'd be pretty interested in those. Have you got any particular favourites of the covers?

>>86736072
I will always remember when the family was pleb.

>>86736171
Good points

>>86736144
Is that a ball of retrogenerator particles?

>>86733609
>>86736144
clearly someone from TARDposting
ignore them, they have shit memes

>>86736144
>he wasn't here for when one anon would post splink on the hour every hour
here's the classics that started it all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r1UiNZ3G4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AYcWdBaB9c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3glwsg2XyCw

>>86736212
NO NICK

>>86736144
It's a bizarre traffic safety advert Pertwee made in the '70s, which has been memed in all sorts of contexts (most recently Danny Pink Forgot To Splink)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r1UiNZ3G4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s75VEJoDE4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2WJR8z9VVE

>>86736267
Rob has anyone told you that you look scarily like Mark Gatiss

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what the fuck TARDISposting

>>86736382
I was gonna do a really edgy picture and put the tardisposting logo on it but now i don't need to

>>86736194
I'll go and do them in a moment - some of them could quite possibly be manipulated on Photoshop to remove the backgrounds. For example "The Face of Evil" is just 4/Leela with a bit of fauna encased in a circle w/ a blue background to it.

There are so many good ones there, but if I had to choose 5 good ones, I'd choose Dragonfire / Silver Nemesis / Horror of Fang Rock / Ambassadors of Death & Arc of Infinity.

>>86736382
madlads

>>86736382
a fucking disaster, that's what

>>86736382
The absolute madmen

>>86736382
All their memes seem to be about Nardole being le epic xd, or about Clara/Moff being shit

Like, I get it's shitposting but it could at least be more like simpsons shitposting where actual creativity is put into it

>>86736562
>implying nardole isn't epic

Fucking tripfags baka

>>86736742
I mean Nardole is based, but sometimes things get run into the ground so much that it becomes unfunny

>>86736795
How do they sustain the doublethink of Moffat era being irredeemably terrible, but Nardole being super based?

@cats do u like nicki minaj

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>>86736314
what do you mean?
help /who/res i think im being doxxed

>>86737173
dw i'm not gonna link or anything

but in a certain screenshot neo posted i think you were on it because /who/ was mentioned, the "fuck offeroli" dude

>>86737173
You know the sound the Tardis makes? That wheezing, groaning. That sound brings hope wherever it goes. To anyone who hears it, trip. Anyone, however doxxed.

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>>86737248
oh silly you, that wasn't me
at least i think it wasn't

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>>86737248
Here's rare dox: pic of Rob McCoy and Cats together

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My printer's scanner is a bit fucked so I'm gonna put them through Photoshop to crop a tiny bit of them in about 5 minutes.

>>86737441
looks kino

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>Ace slid into the hole she'd created, the bricks smooth and ickily warm. She found herself in a gleaming polygonal room. Thirteen sides, she counted. In each side, a sort of alcove, with the same live feeling about it, pulsing with life.

>Seven of the cabinets contained strange, organic messes of biological circuitry, and ... oh. Six contained people.

>They were half-formed male figures, white as the walls, their faces blank and their costumes basic. A kind of rot seemed to have set in, because the figures were mottled with a grey decay. The organic circuitry was growing about them, like it wanted to consume them but was being prevented. The figures were stirring, like plants searching for sunlight.

>One of the figures jerked and moved, its face forming a mouth which opened and croaked: "Is it . . . time . . . already?"

>"No," gasped Ace. "Go back to sleep, it's nowhere near time yet." The creature began to move, to fight its way forward.

>Real fear shot up Ace's spine, that old fear of mannequins and clowns. Things that weren't human, but pretended to be. Like the Doctor was sometimes.

- Timewyrm: Revelation (Paul Cornell, 1991)

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>>86737432
I know this might have been revealed to /who/ before but I'll show you it anyway this is a rare pic of me and Edge's lovechild

>>86737538
Looks like Cornellkino's back on the menu boys

>>86737441
ngl even though the book's not great the cover is kino.

Thread theme: https://youtu.be/jofNR_WkoCE

>>86737555
I actually just started reading these, and Eight's as well

They're pretty comfy

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>>86737700
I bet you did
I bet they are

>>86737555
>yellow tie
RUINED FOREVER

Anyone else watch sesska says? Tardisposting shits on her :/

Are you ready for Bradley Walsh?

>>86737901
Why would they do that

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>>86737762
Have you seen Eight's?

>>86737849
What's wrong with that?

whats the explanation for susan coming up with "TARDIS" in the first ep, yet all time lords using it later?

>>86737949
Susan's a precocious child and thought she was being original.

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>>86737914
I saw that post too, they made fun of her appearance.

>>86737924
No, what are they like? What if the only art I like is yours?

>>86737949
Early installment weirdness, stuff that happens/is mentioned in early episodes of TV shows only to later get ignored happens all the time especially in sci fi shows.

>>86737949
She's really the Other's granddaughter

sesska's voice and vibe is very soothing, shes the opposite of most reacters who are all hyper and performy

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>>86738013
Well the first one of Ten's that I saw was straight up fucking terrifying.

Eight first one has living art, which is hilarious to me for reasons I'm sure you can easily guess.

>What if the only art I like is yours?
...Aww

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>>86738376

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Scanon here, guess what I found in the book while scanning.

>>86738627
doctor poo more like doctor who

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>>86738013
>what are they like?
I'm very, very obviously not Edge, but given that I fucking love eight, and I've read all his Titan comics: they're are pretty cute. Not... a huge amount of substance in the initial few comics, but basically what's expected from really short adventures like that. The art is a bit hit-and-miss (sometimes really nice, sometimes a bit funny - particularly eight's face) but the companion is actually really interesting and there are some adorable moments. Pic related.

Neo - let's go

>>86737913
Yes should be a laugh

>>86736850
Probably the same way /who/ sustains the doublethink of the RTD era being irredeemably terrible, but Wilf being super based.
Not that it's really doublethink in either case, you can still hate something but find a single redeeming factor in it.

>>86738709
>they're are
nobody let me type ever again

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>>86738709
There's a little Edge in all of us.
Looks like a cute moment!

>>86738757
Good point t b h

>>86738741
Where are we going? Hi ho, let's go.

https://youtu.be/c1BOsShTyng

>>86738709
wtf josie a cute

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>>86738445
Here is the Sea Devils one, gonna send the other one in a moment.

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>>86738874
>There's a little Edge in all of us.

And with a little teamwork there can be a little bit of you in Edge as well

>>86733532
>>86733779
I think Capaldi's era clicked with many fans of the classics because it was always pandering to them a lot. Which is nice, but it started to feel noticable to me how many episodes felt like earlier episodes in either classic or nuwho. Ive probably said it here before but a lot of it felt too derivative. Dalek vs Into the Dalek, Magician's Apprentice vs Genesis of the Daleks, the Monk three parter feeling like the Martha three parter, the whole Mondasian Cybermen thing. Nothing bad though

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>>86739000
Woah that's awesome

>>86739008
! l-lewd

>>86739034
And then the First Doctor making an appearance his christmas

so you have been tasked with coming up with a canon reason for the roundels what do you submit?

>>86739034
I get that, but I fee like there's a difference between JNT style "I do references now, references are cool" pandering, and actually using the repetition as part of the story. So much of Capaldi Who is meta and about story construction that it doesn't feel like baseless pandering to me, there's a difference between the Macra randomly being in Gridlock, and a story about self-destructive cycles featuring Cybermen going in loops yet again and the Master facing their literal past.

>>86739230
Contains circuitry, energy and first aid, as well as some controls.

>>86739305
Sounds like someone we both know

>>86739305
ok but you could do that with anything why round divets and why specifically in the walls? what sort of mechanical function would they have?

>>86739496
Gallifreyan is written in circles, I assume it might be something to do with that.

What stories does /who/ watch/listen/read when they're in a down mood? Not in a down mood myself, but just wondering?

>>86739718
Very rarely have "down moods" so I don't know - I recently had a fairly serious fever and I watched Claws of Axos and Curse of Fenric. That was... interesting.

>>86739718
I find Heaven Sent hugely empowering. Dark Eyes, particularly 1, too in some regards.

>>86739230
creates a field. is part of the process that makes time travel possible. even in the tardis consoles with no roundels, theres a hexagonal mesh behind doing the time travelly field thing or whatever. thats the kind of explanation you can expect if i ever write for the show thank fuck theres no chance of that ever happening

>>86739718
like neo says, heaven sent. but i also like to watch the tv movie when im feeling down. its so dumb, but in a good way, you know?

>>86740066
Well, one explanation of how a Tardis was built was that it was a physical manifestation of a type of mathematics called a "block-transfer" computation, so if the tardis is literally math incarnate, you might not be far from the truth

>>86740151
It's very comfy and fun.

Imagine if the show didn't die in 1989, but McCoy regenerated into either an 18-year-old Tennant or a 31-year-old Capaldi?

>>86740181
one of the vnas has a quote about timelords being a cross between greek gods and the mathematics department in cambridge, so ive always loved the idea of core ideas in mathematics being central to the tardis. but then im a maths student, so i would like that idea

>>86740356
honestly i like capaldi as an older doctor, and i like how gorgeous his era has been. that wouldnt have happened in the 90s. i wouldnt change anything desu

http://www.doctorwho.tv/whats-new/article/mark-gatiss-empress-of-mars-was-almost-about-brexit/
Kek cuk

>>86740066
this even fits more so since a sidrat which is a predecessor to the tardis had glass panels with hexagon shapes in them

does anyone else think some of the fan references should be subtler from now on? for instance, this season i had friends asking me about the movellans and alpha centauri, because they knew they were missing something. i like the idea of the fan references being the kind of thing that casual viewers wont even know theyre missing. i wonder what chibs is gonna do as well

>>86740898
> i like the idea of the fan references being the kind of thing that casual viewers wont even know theyre missing
Same here. Overt continuity references always feel jarring to me, unless they are there to serve an important purpose in the story. Small nods that you won't even notice unless you are already familiar with the continuity are less intrusive and more fun to spot.

>>86741373
At least none of it's as shit as Attack of the Cybermen continuity.

>What did he mean by this

What did he mean by this?

>>86740898
Alpha Centauri was the one case where I'd say it went too far, because the fact it was Alpha Centauri was the entire punchline of the scene. If it had been an incidental detail in a scene which was about something else, I would have thought it was nice and not wanky.

I don't think the Movellans even got namechecked, unless I'm remembering wrongly?

>>86740898
The Movellans weren't namedropped though, they were just funky looking people getting rekt by Daleks.

>>86741773
yeah, the movellans dont get namechecked, but the scene is done in a way thats almost too self aware. you nearly have to realise its a reference to something, even if you dont know what

>>86741732
>>What did he mean by this
>
>What did he mean by this?
what did he mean by this?

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Next companion is the Brit equivalent of Jerry Orbach.

Definitely different.

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>Shit Trips 2 submissions

Remembr you have until the 30th to get in submissions. Have fun.

>book companions

>audio companions

>comic companions

>Martha Jones fic

>Class fics

>Thirteenth Doctor fics

Are all welcome.

What could Class have done to be successful and/or good?

>>86742911
>successful

Better marketing. Not being on an online only platform, and playing on BBCA before Series 10 started playing, rather than during.

>>86743052
I'm not sure why the BBC gave the cold shoulder to Class like that. Did P. Ness piss off a BBC Controller?

>>86742911
- A stronger concept than "some people in a school". I don't want to just say it should have been about someone from Doctor Who, because it's not like no original show ever got off the ground without links to other series. But it needed a hook to differentiate itself.
- Teen characters that were naturally likeable rather than continual ham handed attempts to be likeable. There's no secret sauce for this and even the best can fail at it, but Class was a ride of "when will the next awkward as fuck line be spoken".
- Not being sent out to fucking die on iPlayer.
^ The most important ones.
Also:
- Better, more distinctive antagonists. Shadow who?
- Less of a rote storyline, especially towards the very end. I loathed basically everything that happened in the finale (except the fact the genocide actually got done for once)
- This will sound weird but it could have inherited more from Doctor Who in terms of individual episode content. I thought the episode where Quill and them travelled into different species' afterlives using a conceptual engine was the kind of badass idea I'd like to see in Who more, but outside of that, it was all a bit dull compared to the parent show.

Doctor Whore.

>>86743240
Yeah, the likability issue with a problem with Class. None of the cast were likable, and the only interesting character was the crazed alien terrorist/freedom fighter.

And I love that Patrick's hook for the show was that it was British Buffy, because we don't already have Being Human, Dark Seasons, Young Dracula, Series 1 of Doctor Who, Torchwood, and so on.

>>86743143
The programme was awful. I think they were probably embarrassed by it

>>86743143
They wanted it to be a big success on their online BBC3 platform...but clearly didn't know how to fully work online platforms, and barely got marketed.

>>86743240
>- Teen characters that were naturally likeable rather than continual ham handed attempts to be likeable.

Eh, they were likeable enough.

>- Not being sent out to fucking die on iPlayer.

Definitely.

> Less of a rote storyline, especially towards the very end. I loathed basically everything that happened in the finale

The ending that you said you liked annoyed me, as it more or less seemed like an edgy fest. It's where the themes of peace and saying no to genocide in Who, that had carried over to Class got lost.

> I thought the episode where Quill and them travelled into different species' afterlives using a conceptual engine was the kind of badass idea I'd like to see in Who more, but outside of that, it was all a bit dull compared to the parent show.

It was the best episode in terms of content, but lacked the ensemble character dynamics of the other episodes.

>>86743695
Where did your trip go Immigrant?

In The Stolen Earth, why didn't Jack get some laser weapons developed in case Torchwood had to deal with Dalek attacks?

>>86743619
>Patrick's hook for the show was that it was British Buffy

Was that Ness's decison as a hook?

>Yeah, the likability issue with a problem with Class

I liked the characters. So did some others. Class's biggest problem was a lack of exposure--more people would like it, if more people had seen it.

>>86743788
Oh, thanks! I actually missed that; I had turned my trip off because I was posting in an unrelated thread.

>>86743695
>it more or less seemed like an edgy fest. It's where the themes of peace and saying no to genocide in Who, that had carried over to Class got lost.
You're not wrong, but the advantage of it not being Doctor Who is that it can actually go to those places. In Doctor Who, even seeing it get to the point of the hero committing genocide would be a step too far, such things can only be whispered of as implied backstory (then retconned out later).
But, freed of Doctor Who's limitations, there are still interesting things you can do and say once you've crossed the line. It was refreshingly ballsy. Probably the only thing that would hook me into a series 2 is if they actually went into the implications of that decision.

>>86743859
I love how I can tell it's you just because of the way you write.

>>86743859
If it wasn't his decision to call it a British Buffy, he never showed it in interviews. Surely he could've given his own hook in press Q&As or on Twitter if he didn't like that.

I unironically wish the Drashigs were in Class. They would've been better than the fucking Shadow Kin.

>>86743914
Yes, but "edgier" is not good. "Ballsy" is not always the right decison. Really, it was the genocide combined with all the other deaths that made it edgy. And in a series like this, the 'edgy' decison is actually the safer decison. The obvious choice is to have the teen children deal with the horrors of genocide. A more creative decison would have been having Charlie find a way around that violent act, in a way that wasn't just a cop-out.

>>86739230
Steal Whitaker's storage idea from the Daleks novelisation.

How exactly did Graham Williams die in a shooting accident. Did he accidentally dress up as JNT's ex during a BBC meeting, and Gary Downie shot him?

>>86743922
I hope that's a good thing.

>>86743993
Hmm. Good point.

>>86743859
I actually think the problem was in the concept: "Teenage Torchwood" is kind of a shit idea because it implies taking Torchwood, a show that was supposed to be Doctor Who for adults but ended up with the edgy teen tumblr fanbase and giving you a show thats aimed at Torchwood's audience but ended up with adults that didn't want to be talked down to by a teenage program.

Someone in marketing ought to have been shot.

Is it weird that compared to the idea of more recovered episodes, I'd be more excited if someone found a cache of unpublished David Whitaker and Robert Holmes Who scripts? I already know many of the missing episodes thanks to recons, but the thought of David Whitaker having written another Dalek script just before he died? Or if someone found Yellow Fever and How to Cure It? That would be cool.

>>86744577
It depends which recovered episodes we're talking about, but yes, new stories by esteemed writers would definitely be an amazing find.

>>86744577
How would Holmes have written 7 if he didn't die? Ignoring the "if Holmes didn't die, Ultimate Foe would have ended the show then and there" question.

>>86744577
I'm pretty sure a lot of those scripts exist still, no? I wonder if there's a way we could get the BBC to publish them in some format.

Perhaps Big Finish should adapt that Krikkitmen story Douglas Adams wrote before he cannabilized it and made it a h2g2 novel.

Doctor Who Meets Scratchman script when?

>>86744793
Briggs said with many of the planned actors for the movie being dead, they'd have to change so much it wouldn't recognizably be Scratchman anymore.

>>86744831
I don't mean an adaptation, I mean just the raw script.

>>86744577
Yellow Fever never got further than a storyline, and I'm not even sure it got that.
You can't find what never existed.

>>86744793
You don't want that, anon. The first draft was some decent Bidmead era stuff, but then the animation company made a shit ton of demands. It got two rewrites before someone accidentally showed it to Tom Baker assuming he was onboard along with the art(he wasn't yet). Then Tea Bags Baker threw his giant wang into everything and the production went dead behind the scenes.

Source:was an assistant.

If Scratchman was made, would it have been so bad it was good or just regular bad? Because I wish we could've gotten 4 and Vincent Price battling on top of a giant pinball machine.

>>86741453
what was wrong with it? haven't watched it in a while and don't remember anything crazily jarring?

>>86744559
>teenage Torchwood

That's because Class isn't a "teen Torchwood." It's a "young adult" show--meant for people old enough for some blood and deeper themes, but still young enough to appreciate some silliness.

>>86745199
Torchwood had blood, deeper themes, and much silliness though.

>>86745199
>That's because Class isn't a "teen Torchwood." It's a "young adult" show
"Young adult" is just code for teenagers because teenagers want to be adults.

>>86745229
True. But some people were annoyed by the silliness is Class, as if the show was confused, when Class was being a bit of both.

>>86745335
Class is specifically both in between a CBBC show and an adult show.

>>86745199
It's basically competing with its own parent show

>in between a CBBC show and an adult show.
Wouldn't that just be regular Doctor Who though?

Keep /who/ alive or Dawn French will bite off your toes.

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On a Facebook video for Trust Me. What did she mean by this?

>>86746803
More like Dawn French Fries amirite?

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>>86746803
watching daleks' master plan atm

>>86747293
I'm watching through Hartnell, and I'm getting close to Masterplan. How bad is it? I'm really not looking forwards to it cause it's so goddamn long

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How has your day been /who/?

>>86747235
The classic pleb symptom of thinking everything they see is part of some narrative revolving around them (i.e. "why are the BBC trying to push Jodie Whittaker in front of us?!" instead of "this is promotion for a currently airing show on BBC1 which Jodie Whittaker is the star of").

>>86747468
It's actually a lot of fun. A few filler episodes and not much actual plot but it's constantly moving and never feels like a chore.

>>86747468
I actually like it, it's got a few firsts for the show in it which make it worth watching for that alone and it doesn't really feel like it's 12 episodes long so far for me and I'm on episode 5 which is long already for Hartnell serials. It's got a good pace and good villains, along with a good chase-style plot which is keeping me invested in this story at least, who knows though I could end up hating this by episode 12. It might also depend on how much you can deal with reconstructed episodes cos boy there are a lot of those in this story.

>>86747468
The few episodes I've watched are either typical Nation writing or weird panto, like the Feast of Steven.

>>86747669
Episode 12 is by far the best episode of the story and honestly number one on my most wanted returns list.

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why is he just so good? no, dont answer that. i know why.

>>86737538
I generally like Cornell's stuff, so I'm tempted to give Timewyrm: Revelation a go. Do I need to have read any of the other books of the Timewyrm series to understand it, or would they just be helpful background?

>>86747816
No. All you need to know is there's an alien possessing people throughout time, and 7 and Ace are trying to hunt it down. Please read Timewyrm Revelation. It's one of the best Doctor Who books of all time.

>>86747872
Revelation is possibly the best thing Cornell's ever written.

>>86747816
I read it without having touched any of the previous three and I was good to go. Echoing the other anon's sentiment that you should read it immediately, it's brilliant and essential. Also sometimes considered the turning point of the VNAs and by extension a turning point of Doctor Who as a franchise.

>>86747872
>>86748033
>>86748113
Thanks anons.

Grabbing it from the book mega now and loading it onto the Kindle afterwards for when I've finished with Iain M Banks' Use of Weapons.

Reminder that Neo is a very nice person who helped to make me feel better when I was down in the dumps last night.

Thank you Neo! I feel better now.

>>86748282
Fack off yae specky wee gadge!

So which companions are secretly Zygons

>>86748282
We have a book mega? Link?

>>86748504
for
>>86748235

>>86748328
Everyone besides Susan

>>86748504
https://mega.nz/#F!AU4DHDwb!OSayDSboo27IvIYZ0GCCuw!YdwTxBJA

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Does anyone have any good recommendations/ reading guide for doctor who books and comics? I trusts /who/'s taste more than anywhere else.

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>>86749251

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Just finished Davros. The villain trilogy continues to be great - though it seems like a quick sidetrip to listen to Parkin's I, Davros miniseries might be a good idea based off the flashbacks to his pre-chair days. Molloy does a much better job when he's given an actual character-driven script - there were hints of it in his Revelation performance, but audio really lets him shine (similar to Colin, actually). He's pretty much on a level with Wisher and Bleach here.

>>86749251
Any particular Doctor you'd like? There's lots of good stuff.

>>86749567
Big fan of 1,5 and 8 but really anything if there are particular highlights from any doctor. Thanks!

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What did Jan mean by this?

Today I will remind them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz2IP0R6YgU

>>86749641
9 and 12 are also my favourite nuwho doctors.

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>>86749641
>>86750100
For 1, The Witch Hunters is a pretty solid pure historical, and there's one called The Empire of Glass where he meets Shakespeare, Galilieo, and fellow Time Lord (possible family member) Irving Braxiatel that's fun.

For 5, Fear of the Dark is genuinely scary. Goth Opera's also pretty good - Five seems to work well with horror stories since he's a bit more vulnerable and has had a companion die on him

8 has a lot of good ones - Father Time is maximum comfy, anything by Lawrence Miles will be packed with weird and fascinating ideas, and there's this one called City of the Dead where he's got amnesia and has to deal with actual black magic in New Orleans.

9 pretty much just has one good one, Only Human by the notorious Gareth Roberts. The best bit is Captain Jack trying to share a flat with a Neanderthal.

Don't know nearly as much about the comics, but the Six and Frobisher run from DWM seems to get a lot of love, along with two issues of Titan Twelfth Doctor where he goes to Vegas and plays Russian Roulette with one of Rassilon's old superweapons

Hope this wall of text helps, in some way...

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>>86750265
Thanks anon, best I can give you in return is a meme I made.

>>86749251
The VNAs are great books, as are the Eighth Doctor novels.

Fifth Doctor novel:

"Fear of the Dark" is a great novel, in which the Fifth Doctor is taken to his brink.

"Goth Opera" is good trad Fifth Doctor, with vampires. Evil 90s vampires.

"The Crystal Bucephalus" is one of the more unconventional Fivey stories, but is written by the dearly departed Craig Hinton.

Fifth Doctor comics:

All of Steve Parkhouses's Fifth Doctor comics are awesome; Parkhouse Who comics are widely considered some of the best Who stories around.

They include:

Tides of Time"
"Stars fell on Stockbridge"
"The Stockbridge Horror"
"Lunar Lagoon"
"4-Dimensional Vistas"
"The Moderator

The above can be found on vk.

Eighth Doctor comics:

The Eighth Doctor, as always, is a funny one. He has three separate comic runs, with different companions in each.

To start off, just read all of Eight's Doctor Who Magazine comics. Quite a few people consider that one of his best eras. Start with Endgame.

There's also Titan's 8th Doctor comics, which are pretty good as well.

First Doctor books:

The First Doctor's got a pretty good book run. "The Witch Hunters" is a good historical; "The Time Travelers" is great timey-wimey Who; "Venusian Lullaby" is often praised; and "Time and Relative" is a wonderful focus on Susan.

Eleventh Doctor's Titan comics run is one of my favorite Eleven eras ever.

Tenth Doctor's best novel is The Eyeless.

>>86750265
Is correct as well.

>>86749251
>not reading all of them
casual.

>>86750366
>>86750773
May I have a meme?

I'm sad we never got a 12 story where Craig Ferguson played Drax.

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>>86752027
There's always Big Finish

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>Torture someone by getting them to watch the best series of NuWho

What did TARDISposting mean by this?

>>86752270
But series 9 was shit anon. I respect your opinion that it was good though. But I think it's shit.

>>86752295
Holy fucking kek I legit thought it was series 8 in the picture, never mind

>>86752270
God damn I thought their meme power level was weak before but this isn't even trying, this is retard level

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wow, listen is seriously great. even after watching the entire nu-who up to this point i don't think i've ever actually had to sit back and think about how good an episode of the show was.

i've seen a lot of people say capaldi's doctor's seasons were poor but this makes me really excited to continue watching the rest.

>>86753319
There is at least one more of those episodes coming up before you hit the end of Capaldi.

>>86753319
>i've seen a lot of people say capaldi's doctor's seasons were poor
you fell for the meme opinion of plebs
enjoy capaldi

Every day I'm more convinced that Capaldi's era will be viewed in 10 years the way we view S25-26 now. As in, fan consensus adjusts to accept it as one of the best periods and underappreciated in its time.

I also think Clara will lose her meme reputation as "worst charactar evurr i wish she died" eventually, since most of that is fuelled by kneejerk resentment which will fade.

There should be a Doctor Who story about the dangers of personality cults.

>>86754341
Wasn't that the point of Journey's End? About how the Doctor has formed a cult of personality where his friends and allies are willing to commit suicide and murder in his name?

>>86754772
That was more like a "random thing brought up in Journey's End for like 2 seconds before becoming totally irrelevant".

>>86754772
Davros brings it up, yeah, but he's also an omnicidal maniac trying to blow up the universe so it kinda falls flat

>>86754858
More to the point it doesn't make sense. Most of the people who "died in his name" did so actually attempting to save other people's lives in circumstances that weren't even the Doctor's fault. And it's not like you can identify any point at which the Doctor was "radicalising" his companions e.g. Martha into being willing to blow up a planet.

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>this was three years ago

>>86733470
So now that the Moffat era is coming to an end, and Doctor Who will go in a totally new direction, what's your fondest memory from the past 7 years?
For me it's when I started actively consuming Doctor Who crap. I'd been watching NuWho since it started in 2005 but I never really got toys and DVDs until 2010-ish.
11 and 12 are probably my favorite Doctors, I have the most stuff from them.

>>86755980
Going to see the 50th anniversary in theatres. Everyone had such a good time, and had a ton of fun.

Also Tennant's butt in 3D

>>86755980
leak/who/
I started losing interest in doctor who in S6-7 but capaldi completely reignited my interest, reading those scripts then seeing the workprints was magical

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>>86755980
well seeing as how I've only been watching since very late 2012 here's some of mine

>watching Day of The Doctor live
>going to ReGeneration Who twice
>experiencing Capaldi's era from the start
and most importantly
>discovering /who/

>>86756115
>Also Tennant's butt in 3D
his ass is as flat as a board, edge

>>86756193
But it was in 3D!

Yeah he does have a hilariously tiny ass though

>>86756254
While 99% of the special was in 3D, tennant's ass was so flat that it was in 2.5D

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>>86756316
Anon, behave!

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>>86756316
you delet this right now

What are you listing to, /who/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0ArbRYRZzI

>>86757118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7azgumEwiQ
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlgdyrvoxI4

>>86757118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ47YPP7Ir0

>>86757118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8D7JWN9vYs

BT is pretty good to have playing in the background

I'm bored

>>86757118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANQguV4O51k

How many nimons has /who/ seen today?

>>86757950
half

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Scaroth reporting in.

>>86757118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuYzsrYSQx4

>>86758050
Why do you always use a tiny fucking picture

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>>86758171
Bigger Scaroth reporting in.

>>86758276
Is that like Bigger Luke

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>>86758691
Yes.

>>86744736
I forgot what happened with the krikkitmen. Wasn't it they loved cricket (the game) and the protags went to their past for some shit? That was the second novel, right?

I'm bored. Someone stream something.

>>86759330
Why don't you?

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>>86748282
Glad to hear that anon!

>>86753669
I agree

>>86755980
The whole of s9, magical times

>>86759330
Would claudia suffice?

>>86759611
Ah, I see you're finally awake. No, Claudia would not suffice. Thanks anyway. Also thanks for talking with me last night, you're cool. You watch HCF yet?

>>86759668
>finally awake
it's almost 5pm though

>>86759956
>>86759668

Timezones are a thing

>>86760040
neo is australian you know

>>86760071
I think you'll find that he's a time lord

>>86758070
/who/tube confirmed patrician
my favourite clash song is spanish bombs

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>>86736382

What the fuck is this shit

i dont like 6's regeneration in the last adventure/the brink of death

did not live up to the hype

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lol

>>86736382
facebook meme page is "ironically" racist, nobody is surprised

they're all rtdbads too

>>86761719
cats you are the meme master
how do you suggest we 'fix' tardisposting

>>86761719
cats how do we cull the facebook cletuses

>>86736382
ive literally been looking for a facebook group to shitpost in, cheers

>>86761739
>>86761763
we need our own facebook meme page to redpill the normies about moffat.

>>86761847
>/who/ facebook page/group
Ok
>with cats
Nah

fuck offeroli

>>86761784
nevermind /who/ is way better, those facebook niggers hate clara

>>86761920
they also all pretend to have watched classic who but actually havent, its fucking sad. look at their recent susan discussion, its a clusterfuck of people parroting TARDIS Core without understanding anything

tardisposting obsession with canon is embarassing

>>86761977
Ikr? They treat it like Star Wars

>>86761996
lay off the dox pls, /who/ doesnt need this

>>86762015
hey rob

>>86761996
Can we not do this? It was enough of a mess with Edge.

you know its off-season /who/ when someone gets doxxed and the thread is still dead

>>86761996
I just followed your trip in the archives and you've done nothing but shitpost, and only since Simm was announced this year. He's twice the trip you'll ever be.

>>86762111
A few of us already saw the dox on FB but we were all decent enough to not bring it up or post it here, this dramawhoring Bolin trip is just being a dick and people aren't taking the bait

>>86762116
are you implying that it's Rob McCoy? because we don't know that, and there are too many Robs in the world to make that assumption.

>>86762136
>a few of us
How many of you facebook fuckwits are there in this thread? You can all fuck off

>>86762154
...

>>86762172
Fuck offerino, if you were actually in the thread yesterday you'd see we were laughing at tardisposting, only 1 bloke here actually joined it. Quit trying to fit in and gatekeep /who/ ffs

i genuinely dont understand these memes. or is that the point?

the tardisposting meme page is a wretched hive of normies jerking off russell t. davies micropenis. the intricacies of series 9 may have flown over their heads but my fists won't. i have recorded every single one of their addresses and i will pay them a visit, punching them squarely in their pimpled normie faces. this is what you get for disrespecting the moffgod. this is what you get for discarding characterkino in favour of "muh fun" and soap opera drama. i bet you basic ass "whovians" don't even know who john wiles is. but i'll make you know. i'll SCREAM his name as i hit you. punch!!!!!!! JOHHNNN WILESS!!!!! take that!!!! and then i unsheath the katana, and shit gets real......... don't cross me again tardisposting

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>>86762343
Some are genuinely terrible misfires. Some were "le meant to be bad". Most are a mix - TARDISposting is mostly people that try and signal as "patricians" (whatever that even means in Doctor Who) by making """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""ironically"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" shit posts. Most of the users are literal teenagers so dumb shit like this happens.

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>>86762366
based cats

*teleports behind tardisposting*
heh, nothing personnel pleb

can someone post the post i just posted on tardisposting. i want to be a meme

>>86762425
no i meant, screencap >>86762366 and put it on TARDISposting

>>86762456
i cant

>>86762470
neither can i. its a shame they don't accept anonymous submissions. or do they. i don't know

>>86762500

okay this one made me laugh

These is literally, genuinely a whole new lower level of bad meming. These puts the "shit" in shitposting.

>>86762586
They're like in a whole other language

Not even the TARDIS can translate it

Edge, how's your fic going

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>>86762664
I don't write, I draw

>>86762693
are you doing the cover for st vol 2?
unrealted, how much doews a comission cost hypothetically?

>>86762708
Depends on how complicated it is!

>>86762741
what if it was for a piece of fruitt

>>86762757
...Why do you want a drawing of fruit, Anon?

NEW
>>86762849
>>86762849
>>86762849

>>86762839
just hyptoethcially how much would a drawing of fruit run me

juts a single fruit, not like a bowl or anything

>>86762741
how much to make something like
>>86762661 ?

>>86762863
Again it...depends. Like are you talking in full colour? A sketch?

Idk cheapest you could get a 5 dollar sketch or something I'd have to know what you'd like specifically to give you a better estimate

>>86762888
I AM NOT NEARLY THAT TALENTED

If I was that artist I would charge like $60 for something like that at least though, it looks like it took a really long time

>>86762920
whats the most expensive sort of thing uve charged before?

>>86762944
$200+ for a short comic

$75 for a full colour picture with three characters

>>86762974
what about non character things, like objects, like fruit or clocks or plants or things?

hypothetically if i wanted a drawing of an object in full color, but just one object, how much would u reckon, hypotheticaly

>>86763075
Honestly you might want to look for someone else for that sort of thing, I'm not used to drawing them and you could probably get something better for the same price from someone more experienced in that field

(15 dollars for a transparent background picture?)

>>86763123
hmm. whats your fields of expertise? whta u most comfortably drawing?

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>>86763159

>>86763183
porn? so people and animalia then?

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>>86763199
yea

>>86763251
have u ever drawn someonew u knew