Sherlock

Who's the angel?

>>78476988

That would be little Eurus, portrayed by Indica Watson. Isn't she adorable?

>>78476945
Its fine if Women Kill - the episode

s4e3 was probably the worst thing I've ever seen on tv.
Sherlock was never good

>>78477097
No.

She's literally imprisoned in a mental facility for life.

>>78477333
Yeah but everyone forgives her and she's all buddy with Sherlock now

>>78477097
no, that was The Abominable Bride

>>78477069
she's perfect
10/10 would cuddle

>>78477333
Yeah, the same one she was imprisoned in before with the exact same security measures.
Good job Mycroft.

>>78477383
By "everyone" do you mean her family? Holmses usually don't attach to randoms but are surprisingly loyal to their family.

>>78477383
that's the thing with someone being severely mentally disturbed, they can't be accounted for their actions.

it's the biggest piece of shit I've seen for a while.

>muh super intelligence lol
>fuggin insufferable bitch + lol moryarty lol
>let's take these energetic characters and stick them in a mouse trap

Moffat finally did to sherlock what he did to DW

fugg him

>>78476945
Loads of build up to a huge Moriarty master plan reveal that turned out to be the single worst episode they've ever made. The finale was genuinely dull.

Did the 'Final Problem' have a Solution?

>>78479210
Hugs. Not even joking. She just needed a hug.

>>78479210
Yes, the final solution you might call it.

>>78477069
>naming your daughter after an Afghani marihuana type

>>78476988
A fictional version of this lovable little scamp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDVaiwzU8yc&feature=youtu.be

>>78478775
It's okay, anon. You can type fuck on /tv/.

>>78478075
Oh yeah those deep family ties sherlock had with her, considering he never even fucking knew about her before the episode.

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>>78479210
The strongest solution of all.

The Saw traps were pretty fun

Yuros actress is pretty qt desu

>>78476945
just to get this straight

Mycroft the high ranking MI6 officer is squeamish about killing people

Watson the ex soldier wouldnt kill someone who was working with and then released a psychotic killer

Shelock the uber brain memory specialist forgets he had a brother (and sister)

and Moriarty decided to begin fucking with sherlock because a chick in a box had a 5 minutes chat with him

way to shit up the entire series

>>78480043
I don't understand why so many people think redbeard was another holmes
they say his name is Trevor and he's his best friend
he's even a ginger - where did you get the idea that they were related?

>when you killed off your best character but still wanna keep using him

http://is2.4chan.org/wsg/1484599244212.webm

>>78480043
>Mycroft the high ranking MI6 officer is squeamish about killing people


This is perfectly in line with Mycroft's character from the books. He won't deign to do things himself. In the books it meant that he had Sherlock bring him evidence collected at crime-scenes to figure things out with, because he won't go and do field-work himself. In the new incarnation he won't do field-work himself as in he won't go and kill people. He send others to do it.

>Watson the ex soldier wouldnt kill someone who was working with and then released a psychotic killer

This makes much less sense, but I'm guessing that they're going for "he did terrible shit in the war and now he can't bring himself to do so again or he'll end up killing himself" or some shit. Pretty shitty, however.

>Shelock the uber brain memory specialist forgets he had a brother (and sister)

He didn't have a brother. He had a best friend. And heavily repressed memories due to a childhood trauma is wholly realistic. It even explains his anti-social streak as a result of it.

>and Moriarty decided to begin fucking with sherlock because a chick in a box had a 5 minutes chat with him

No Moriarty was already fucking with him. That's how Eurus got interested in him. Still, that was the same boring "oh she's been around from the very start! :^)" bullshit that Moffat always pulls.

>>78479466
I wonder what the brother turned out to be after all this shit

>>78480182
because he was living with then is that isolated house in the middle of nowhere and the holmes family were retarded shut ins

but fair point ... the memory specialist just forgets his murdered best friend and the sister who killed him

>>78480030

Old or young?

>>78476945
So if Sherlock gave her a good dicking would she have chimped out? Thats what it sounded like she wanted from him...

My fav newspaper headline today: Sherlock season 4: Viewers declare finale 'incomprehensible bollocks' and a poor version of Black Mirror.

>>78480233
>he did terrible shit in the war and now he can't bring himself to do so again
except for that time he killed the cabbie, he was fine with that ;)

>No Moriarty was already fucking with him.
so this is after all that shit with the c4 and the swimming pool ? ... so the 5 minute chat was her convincing moriarty to make suicide part of the plan ??? oh and record a load of sound bites?

also when did Eurus lose her shit and hide in the burned up room ... it must have been after sherlock chose one of the three brothers ... weird fucking timing of that breakdown

No point in making sense of the finale. The writers want us to believe mind control is real and the sister is capable of mind controlling 100+ people at the same time.

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>>78480748
Is that a deleted scene?

>>78480790
You haven't watched it yet? It is in.

>>78480748

>that explosion
>timing the jump so the bitch below wouldn't blasted
>last scene shows the entire apartment intact with the floor intact and barely any damage to the apartment

what did British television mean by this?

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>>78481277
>mfw the headphones on the cow-skull were even intact
>mfw they just needed some new wallpaper and furniture

They sure did need to wait for Hudson to move away.

>>78480043
You forgot.
Mind Control

>>78480769
This made no sense after watching the entire episode.

>>78476945
Is this our new cunnfyu?

>>78481655

yes

>>78480748
>This episode isn't exciting enough, what should we add?
>An explosion.
>Genius, let's just throw a grenade in there.

>>78481508
Meant to reply to
>>78480748
Why do villains try to kill the protagonist(s) before their master plan?

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>>78480748
>Grenade arms in 3 seconds.
>Waits for it to arm itself.

>>78477383
They're just trying to keep her from having another chimpout.

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>>78476945
>Sherlock Holmes
>aka muh epic deductions man
>constantly uses arguments like "on the balance of probability"
>muh deduction man's deductions are actually inductive and addictive reasoning, what amounts to lucky guesses
>Sherlock fans aka tumblr have never reasoned well in their lives so they actually believe much deductions man is believable

Tfw to smart for aherlock

>>78480748
tough guys don't look at explosions

>>78482455
*abductive

>>78482345

The same reason they abandon their master plan at the finale point and have a mental breakdown after planning it for 5 or more years.

>>78482639
thought you were describing the writers for a second there

>>78476945
Just finished watching the last episode, came straight here. It's fucking tripe.

>>78482198
more like
>the trailer doesn't over promise enough
the lines from the trailer were so out of place in all the dialog - it's disgusting

>>78482639
Her master plan was to have Sherlock coach her down, you numpty.

>>78476945
It was shit, but as a fan of the original stories I liked the final monologue by Mary.

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>>78476945

It's over.

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>>78485028
>season 3
>97%
All those critics can't possibly be avid tumblr posters, and literally no one else could think S3 was that good, so what gives?

>>78485028
yeah because of all the whiny cunts they're never going to renew for a 5th. damn shame.

oh well, the ending was actually quite good in my opinion. took a second watch to realize what the fuck they were going for but i got it.

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>>78480196

>They work the mercenary, the autistic man

>>78476945
>>78477069
I have a new cunnyfu

>>78485028

>Season 3 - 97%

u wot

also The Lying Detective was top 3 of the series episode. Culverton Smith was fantastic.

>>78480472
For real the sexual tension between Sherlock and Eurus was ridiculous

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>>78476945

>>78485423
if I pull those headphones out would he die?

>>78480386
Both

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>>78485989
hahahaha

>>78485423
What a cool dude

>>78485989
This show is a cartoon.

>>78485989
Like 80% of that shit didn't happen

She had fuck all to do with what Moriarty did, she was an admirer because he was a master criminal himself, down with the kids and a total babe to boot

>>78476945
I was not paying attention at all toward the end. What ended up happening to magic mind control devil sister?

so watson had to saw off his foot to escape the well, right

like that was the answer to the riddle

>>78476945
I actually liked the second to last episode. the season final was the worst thing i've seen in ages. It's really obvious they decided to pander to the overweight tumblrinas with whacky fanfic-tier interactions between the characters and a female character so strong not even an avengers jail could hold her down.

I know it's trash but i can't stop watching.

Eurus: I have a master plan to finally break Sherlock!
Moriarty: Ah, wonderful! What's my part of the plan?
Eurus: Well first you, of your own accord, have to come up with a series of impossible mysteries for Sherlock to solve.
Moriarty: Okay...sounds like I'm doing a lot of the work...
Eurus: And then you have to let Sherlock outsmart you, and pretend to be so upset that you kill yourself.
Moriarty: So I pretend to kill myself?
Eurus: No, actually kill yourself.
Moriarty: So just...okay...once again, sounds like I'm doing a lot of the--
Eurus: Now, before you die, I need you to record some close-ups of yourself saying the following phrases...
She hands Moriarty a script which he leafs through
Moriarty: Most of this is train noises! Are you going to be doing ANY of the work?
Eurus: Oh of course! I'm going to dress up as Zoe Dechanel on a bus and seduce Watson.
Moriarty: Oh, that's clever! Wait, why?
Eurus: For...uh...to be a sort of mysterious and foreboding presence in Sherlock's life.
Moriarty: Right, in Sherlock's life. So why torture Watson?
Eurus: So I can shoot him.
Moriarty: Ah! Brilliant! Killing Watson will--
Eurus: No, no. Just with a tranquilizer gun.
Moriarty: But...why?
Eurus: To announce that I'm Sherlock's sister! And then he'll tell Sherlock!

>>78486421
Yep. Back to the cane again

>>78486509
Moriarty: So you're going to tell him you're Sherlock's sister and then shoot Watson...on the bus?
Eurus: Oh! No. I'm also going to pretend to be Watson's therapist, who will not be Zoe Dechanel.
Moriarty: So you can pointlessly shoot Watson with a tranq?
Eurus: Precisely! AND, to really be a nuisance, or something, I'm also going to pretend to be a girl that Sherlock will be investigating on an unrelated case that I'll have no idea he'll be investigating in 5 years because it would be literally impossible for me to anticipate that. But rest assured I'll dress up as someone related to some case, and that someone will leave Sherlock a note with "Miss me?" written in invisible ink!
Moriarty: Miss me...that's on the script you handed me.
Eurus: Exactly! I'm going to play a video of you saying "Miss me?" to Sherlock so he thinks you're still alive!
Moriarty: But I won't be...Ohhhh! So we're going to set up an elaborate mystery before I die so that it will appear to Sherlock that I've set it up after my death! He'll think I'm still alive, and it'll drive him craz--
Eurus: Right, right, but no. No, there won't be an elaborate mystery under your guise. Just little notes that say "Miss me?" Because in actuality it'll be me he's missed! Not you! Then once I've revealed myself as his sister, I'll make him go through a gauntlet of deduction! And thennn use those fun train sounds which you're going to record for dramatic effect!
Moriarty: But then...excuse me, madam, why do you need me for your plot at all?
Eurus: To confuse the audience!

>she is so smart can program people against their will just by talking to them even if they are aware of it

Its like Moffat read that /tv/ post about how Sherlock is written by stupid people to whom smart people are magic and thought "YES! Smart people are indeed magic"

>>78485028
>rotten tomatoes
When a 100% means it's a movie full of niggers a 75% is probably the best score to be honest

>>78486601
Tbf this actually is known to happen with certain prisoners

In some cases certain very clever and charismatic prisoners have notes on their files which label them as a danger due to having effects on their guards, and they have to limit all time spent with them. They're commonly associated with terror groups, and they're quite rare, but they do happen.

Moffat just chose to ignore that he could've based the plot in reality and wasted Sherlock's own sister as a cartoon character instead.

>>78486537
Moriarty: Why do any of this?
Eurus: ;)

>>78486662
Manipulation is one thing. Mind controlling an entire secret maximum security facility to do your bidding is just cartoon nonsense.

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>>78486601
>tfw this post seems pretty plausible compared to last nights ep

>Mark Gatiss, who also co-wrote the episode, proposed to conclude “the story we’ve been telling from the beginning.”

Isn't it obvious? The whole story was about Sherlocks secret sister we just revealed last episode

>>78479803
>The dullest solution of all

>>78486662

And writing her as charismatic and having a real political philosophy to convince people of like real world terror and cult leaders would be too hard so they just have her be le ebin brain hacker.

>>78486704
That's what I meant by that last sentence.

Moffat gave Eurus no significant interaction, except as Faith, which should've been a huge red flag to him, so there was no way to show some kind of charismatic effect, and then he chose to write himself fully into the ditch by explicitly using words like reprogramming and enslavement

Her name is spelt Eurus in the subs.

>>78486761
It's a shame because with good writing you can totally pull this off. Doesn't even need to be political or philosophical, but giving her proper dialogue with other characters and a bit of charisma would've made her a great villain

>>78480574
Cabbie was a bad guy, prison overseer was just brainwashed.

>>78486761
This concept would actually make a cool standalone show.

So... why did Eurus break out prison and put on a bunch of disguises?

We already know how. She used he mind control powers to gain control over everybody in the prison allowing her access in and out. It's makes no sense but that's the answer.

But WHY did she do all the rest of her Roger the Alien disguises?

Dressing up as a girl on the bus and flirty texting with Watson. Just to fuck with his marriage? Why would she care?

Why dress up as the daughter of a serial killer and get Sherlock involved in that case? And get chips with him?

Why pretend to be Johns therapist and listen to him pour his heart out and then reveal your identity and then tranquilize him and then do nothing to him and return to your fake imprisonment?

Mark Gattiss: Oh, go put some warm paste in your mouth

Sheeeit, guess it's 2 smort 4 me

>>78486864

I guess that's kinda what The Following was about, but that was verging on this where his philosophy is dude its edgy and badass to kill people lmao, at least the actor was actually charismatic and you could see him attracting shitheads though.

>>78486897
She was exceptionally lonely. That's how I took the Faith scene. She missed Sherlock, she genuinely just wanted to spend some time with him.

As for the Watson thing, to me it came across as her not being possessive of Sherlock. She wanted to see who he spent so much of his time with. Since John put a stop to it there's only so much to say about that, but since she chose to then reintroduce herself as his therapist, I think she obviously has some interest in John, but probably due to his association with her non-asshole brother. She is obviously mentally unstable and doesn't know how to have a proper relationship with Sherlock.

As for anything in episode 3, that was just Moffat being a faggot and not bothering to flesh out a major character and relationship in Sherlock's life.

As someone who did not hate season 3, and somewhat enjoyed episode 2 of this season. How was this finale so fucking bad? The power levels of Sherlock and his sister break any sense of realism that season 1 and 2 had

I had to force myself to finish the episode

>>78486897
>tfw ywn be patrician enough to understand Gatiss' creative genius

>>78486897
Eh there is plenty wrong with this story but half the stuff you wrote is easily explained in the story.

>Dressing up as a girl on the bus and flirty texting with Watson. Just to fuck with his marriage? Why would she care?

Because Watson is Sherlock's best friend and a parallel for the kid she killed because Sherlock got friendly with him and ignored her.

>Why dress up as the daughter of a serial killer and get Sherlock involved in that case? And get chips with him?
To find out how Sherlock has grown up and what he is like after all these years.

>Why pretend to be Johns therapist and listen to him pour his heart out and then reveal your identity and then tranquilize him and then do nothing to him and return to your fake imprisonment?
To get to know Watson more. And the tranq part is to bring herself to Sherlock's attention by threatening his best friend.

The rest of the episode however is pure nonsense.

>>78487030

it really is like DBZ where IQs are like power levels and they keep raising them absurdly until the antagonist is basically God

this episode was just Zero Time Dilemma in TV form

complete with MIND HACKS

>>78487029
>her not being possessive of Sherlock
I mean "her being possessive of Sherlock"

>>78486831
Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs was like this.

They mention he likes to get inside peoples heads, which makes sense given his background as a brilliant psychiatrist.

They tell us he convinced his cell neighbor to swallow his own tongue.

But he can't just control anybody he speaks too. He isn't able to get Clarice Starling to nust him out of prison or something nonsensical.

He makes her uncomfortable, even frightened and helps her deduce something of the background of the serial killer they're hunting.

He convinces her he's the only one that can help her solve this case and he is relocated to a special cell in the Tennessee courthouse.

He uses a pin to pick his lock and attacks the guards that come to drop off his dinner.

He escapes and later phones Clarice to thank her for her help and dissapears following an old friend he plans to kill.

Farfetched, yes? But still within the realm of possibility.

>>78486897
>>78487029
>>78487076
Regardless of the explanation I totally thought Sherlock and his sister were going to wind up in bed together when she was walking around London with him as Faith

>>78487030
>How was this finale so fucking bad?
Cause the entire crux and gimmick of the episode relied on Eurus being able to mind control people like poison ivy. There is no intricate manipulation, smart cunning plan or trick. There is no curtain behind which Eurus hides unlike Moriarity who says he can hack all the systems in the world but really it was only a big setup. She straight up mind controls people. Like fucking poison ivy.

>>78486897
>Dressing up as a girl on the bus and flirty texting with Watson. Just to fuck with his marriage? Why would she care?
Probably to sniff out where Sherlock was living and his location and try and have an excuse to hang around.

>Why dress up as the daughter of a serial killer and get Sherlock involved in that case? And get chips with him?
To spend more time with Sherlock and find out what kind of person he was and how he approached problem solving.
>you now realise that it also let her suss out Mycroft and Sherlock's relationship too

>Why pretend to be Johns therapist and listen to him pour his heart out and then reveal your identity and then tranquilize him and then do nothing to him and return to your fake imprisonment?
Well generally people are honest to their therapists so I guess it's the best disguise to find out more about Sherlock second hand.

>>78487030

It doesn't, they jumped the shark with this episode, though I suppose the series is already over.

As implausible as Sherlock can be, it's somewhat rooted in realism. Mind control is just on another level, it doesn't exist in the universe Sherlock resides in until that moment.

>>78486369

Sherlock hugged her, so she became good for a few minutes and went back to prison, where for no reason she apparently snapped even further and now spends 99% of her time in a catatonic state except for when Sherlock stops by to play the violin with her.

>>78487130

It's very funny how obvious it is Moffat wants to make his own Hannibal Lecter character but just isn't smart enough to write it.

>>78487030
Will there ever be any explanation given for why the Holmes kids are so absurdly smart when their parents seem to be normal?

Did the mother eat grey matter and blast mozart music while preggo?

>>78487030
Haha that's a good way to describe it. DESU that's what got me through it, realizing that it's just super saiyans with mind reading powers. Made it a lot more tolerable.

>>78487189
Their parents are also absurdly smart

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>most dangerous person on earth who likes to murder people for fun
>refusing to cooperate with the one thing keeping her alive (predicting terrorism)
>nah just leave her in the same prison she escaped from without effort last time, the folks can come visit too lol

>>78487221

has that ever been demonstrated? I thought it was le ebin punchline they were just normal people

>>78487157
Looking back at it I'm surprised they didn't do that for the creep factor.

>>78487168
Nigga literally everybody knows Sherlock's address, you don't have to sniff it out

>>78487284
the first time they were introduced the joke was that (shockingly) the father was a normal dude and the mother was a super genius
One of the season 3 episodes

>>78487180
S5 was confirmed in 2014

>>78487130
Not the best example.
Hannibal suffered from so much powercreep holy shit.
Silence of the Lambs/Red Dragon: He's a regular serial killer guy occasionally helping out with psychology

Hannibal: The head of the series goes so far up its ass that Hannibal is now a master of disguise fluent in every language that ever existed and Lecter is capable of mind controlling the sister Margot to rape her brother with a cattle prod and then Hannibal and Starling escape law enforcement after which Lecter manages to kill every police officer in his way, carry Starling to safety and then later mindwash her using his magic mind control powers to live with him and be his wife.

Hannibal Rising: The head of the series has gone so far up its ass that it's Hannibal: Dindu nothing wrong edition where he single handedly wrecks Nazi officers as revenge for Mischa.

Also Eurus is kinda a massive brocon for Sherlock just like Hannibal had a massive siscon for Mischa and Starling.

>>78487221
The mum wrote a book on mathematics. That takes intelligence but it doesn't account for the kids.

For the most part they seem to not really understand their kids and the boys don't seem to relish spending time with the parents because they're normies reee

>>78487360
I forgot that he could also mind control the pigs because they were scared of him.

wait a minute

so euros was the girl right? how the hell did those calls with sherlock work then? i'm pretty sure she was talking at the same time as the little girl in a few scenes. how the fuck does that work?

>>78487360
At least hannibal the TV series got S1 right before they went full fujoshit

>>78487426
They weren't talking at the same time

>>78476945
This episode should be renamed to "The Patriarchy"

>>78487360
I was only referring to Silence of the Lambs as an example. Red Dragon is pretty good too from what I remember but I don't remember what Hannibal did in that one specifically.

I've heard the sequels are trash and the TV show seemed on par with Sherlocks level of storytelling.

In SotL, he's a very intelligent sociopath who figures out ways to work people to his advantage.

Eurus is just a mind controlling magic person. No explanation is given for why she is developed this way as a child and it's never effectively demonstrated how she gets people to do her bidding. She just talks to you and snap, you are under her power.

>>78477517
>Yeah, the same one she was imprisoned in before with the exact same security measures.
>Good job Mycroft.

It's stupid but there's nowhere else. You might as well complain about Batman sending the Joker back to Arkham.

>>78487426
Crap, I completely forgot about that too. Like I sadi, I was not paying attention by the end. What was le ebin mindblowing tweest about the girl in the plane?

>>78487459
i'd need to rewatch it but im pretty sure euros makes some comments here and there when sherlock is talking to the little girl

>>78487518
>>>78487426
>Crap, I completely forgot about that too. Like I sadi, I was not paying attention by the end. What was le ebin mindblowing tweest about the girl in the plane?
That was eurus in her mind place

>>78487426

you saw she was changing her voice when Sherlock finds her since she is le ebin expert at every known human skill

>>78487497
>It's stupid but there's nowhere else
Potter's Field

>>78487518
The girl in the plane is the real Eurus and she is really a scared little girl. So please forgive her for
>Kill a child
>Killing multiple people
>Bombing a building
etc

>>78487491
I'm referring to the books which seem to be on par with the books.

Suffers from scope creep just like the Sherlock show.

>the man eating pigs set on me by the villain aren't attacking me because they are afraid of me as an apex predator

Truly shows/franchises should stick to one or two seasons maximum.

It's over lads, Sherlock has officially reached anime/soap opera tier, the inevitable fate of any tv show once it get popular.

>>78476945
Was Mycroft watching some weirdo rich person black and white porno at the beginning?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcXC6rqvQFo

>>78487497

I can complain about that too, it's well within Batman's capabilities to simply imprison Joker himself so he can't escape every weekend.

>>78487578
*on par with the movies

>>78487360
He didn't mind control Margot; she already hated Mason because he was an asshole pedophile who had molested her. And he didn't brainwash Clarice with magic; he used a shit-ton of mind-bending drugs.
The other stuff I'll give you.

>>78487592
>black and white porno

cuck kino?

>>78487616
Still it's just marginally more believable than Sherlock. Well I guess it counts as fandom pandering.

>>78487497
>It's stupid but there's nowhere else.

You could just fucking execute her. Especially when Mycroft says the only reason they haven't already done that is because she helps them foil terrorist plots, but now she can't even do that because she's catatonic.

>>78487546
when sherlock found her she seemed to be in genuine shock or something and was 'stuck' in her head

so during the whole killing room tests, she was what? going in and out of her head, being a frightened girl for a couple seconds then immediately coming out of it at the right moments to be euros again?

who the fuck writes this shit

>>78487310
They should've desu

The two had a lot of chemistry. Plus long-separated family members can develop sexual attraction due to some weird genetic reason

>>78487645
Hannibal is still a pretty entertaining book just for how batshit it is, but it can't be taken seriously at all.

>>78480472
>>78485823
All jokes aside they're siblings!?

>>78487645
Brainwashing with drugs is legit though

>eurus and moriarty have a child together
>season 5 takes place 20 years in the future where Rosie and Eurus's daughter are a lesbian crime fighting duo solving future crimes

>>78487740
So? Eurus was pretty hot, and neither she nor Sherlock seem like the type to care all that much about it

>>78487767
>season 5 takes place 20 years in the future

no, season 5 will be released 20 years in the future

>>78487740
Way better than Irene Adler.

>>78487690
Bipolar disorder is a real thing.
However it is written in a retarded way that Moffat thinks bipolar people work.

the thing that pissed me off most about this season was
>muh mary
fucking awful character and awful casting.

so now that they've dealt with Eurus, a woman so smart she can mind control people, what can they go up against next?

cant they just ask Eurus to mindrape (or literally rape) any advisory they come up against since she'll inevitably end up on better terms with Sherlock?

>>78487827
that wasn't really bipolar, that was more like multiple personality meme disorder or something

>>78487857
i think this is the perfect opportunity for them to go back to the original format, where Sherlock actually solves crimes.

If it ever comes back.

>>78487857

a rogue AI, the only thing on earth smarter than Eurus

who here /eurus+sherlock 4ever/

>>78487860
>>78487827
Look up reactive attachment disorder.

>>78487902
A rogue AI programmed by Moriarty

>>78487942
look up MOFFAT CANT WRITE WORTH A SHIT FIRE HIM IMMEDIATELY disorder

>>78487857
Honestly, I think they had it. Cumberbatch has become a marvel shill and Moffat is clearly out of ideas. They will probably make some special episodes down the road but over-arching stories are probably done with.

>>78487979
look up TUMBLRxREDDIT disorder

>>78487983
fuck over-arching stories

what i want from next season is 3 different mysteries that don't have any connection to each other and they just solve it.

>>78487959

to be quirky and gay

>>78480748

jesus

>>78488029
They never really did that though

>>78487979
You sound upset.

>>78480748

John's head ahhhhhahah

>>78487979
When he's good he's good, it's just that when he fails he's terrible

>>78487157
Sherlock walked around London alone in that episode, he hallucinate her the whole time... Not once has there been a scene with actual sexual tension in it, I don't see where people get this idea

>>78488158
No, she pretended to be Faith. It was explained at the end of episode 2

>>78480748
how the fuck did mycroft not get killed?

>>78487896
They actually have said exactly this.

Of course, Moffat won't be able to resist introducing something beyond outrageous like aliens or something.

>>78488257
Wtf

Why did he introduce his sister then? If just to send her back to jail an episode later? What a waste of a potentially important character

>>78488290
he should have just fucking shot her instead of Magnussen, it would make much more sense and actually developed his character

>>78488194
They are meta humans

>>78488362
no man is as cursed as the kinslayer, tho

>>78488290
That's all they do. Introduce characters and kill them off.

Mary existed to give Watson and Sherlock something to fight about and give Waton some "manpain" when she died.

All the villains are there to be cool and then die.

Trash.

>>78488257
kind of dumb if that's what they were trying to do, could have just gone straight back to that without wasting a whole season (or 2) on this nonsense

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>>78488194
>too smart to be harmed by explosions

>>78488406
>manpain
>>>/t/umblr

>>78488437
Surprisingly /t/umblr hates this episode as well

>>78488257
>Of course, Moffat won't be able to resist introducing something beyond outrageous like aliens or something.

I'm going to reply to my own post and elaborate on what the obvious shark-jumping would be:

Dr. Who crossover

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>>78488468
>Dr. Who crossover

no. please god no

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>>78476945
I am absolutely wet with anticipation for Moffat to get his grubby Scot fingers off Doctor Who.

Capaldi deserves better.

>>78488464
tumblr is mad that they didn't get their canon Johnlock gay ship, and also that women got subordinated to a white male (Eurus and Molly to Sherlock) yet again.

but also it was so terrible that nobody likes it

>>78488406
i hope you are not implying mary was in any way worth keeping around.

in fact, she should've been killed in season 3. Or, better yet, she should not even have been introduced.

the banter between Sherlock and Watson gone to the absolute shitter this season, precisely because of Mary. And her fucking dvds, fuck her. What a contrived fucking mess.

>>78488395
but your kin being a fucked up sadistic psychopath murderer that cannot be contained in any existing prison changes perspective. it would have been interesting, showed that even Sherlock cannot beat everyone in mind games and has to make a choice whether he wants to save people or play games with murderers.

>>78488464
Not surprising. Despite their obnoxiousness tumblr's always liked the character-driven Sherlock, not whatever that was. Given how they didn't even bother fleshing Eurus out of course tumblr would hate it.

>>78488523
Absolutely. Pointless character. Same with Eurus and pretty much every non regular.

We get the occasional villain who's pretty cool but they get killed off.

But Sherlocks magical devil sister is still alive.

>>78488523
mary ruined this show. 2 full fucking episodes dedicated to her and her backstory. what a joke.

>>78488177
She pretended to be faith off camera, it's implied that she disguises herself and meets Sherlock in his apartment... Once, as she gives him the paper. Every time after that is hallucinated... Even the satellite footage that Mycroft sees doesn't have her in it because she's not there

>>78488517
>but also it was so terrible that nobody likes it
Reddit like it.

>>78488621
nah, they hate it. m-my friend t-told me

>moffat actually thought the audience will feel sorry to Eurus at the end just because Sherlock didn't want to play with her
>he pulls this shit after showing her drown a kid and kill a bunch of people just for fun and games

I'm not even mad, that's amazing.

>>78488712
don't you get it anon? the past doesn't matter!

>>78488712
It could've been pulled off, if only the writer had cared enough to give the script some thought

>>78488700
Check r/sherlock

>>78488788
literally just browsed it, most opinions were negative, I saw only few retards defending it

Mary killed this show for me, super spy my ass, she's the least belivable thing on the show, and that's pretty impressive considering the amount of bullshit Moffat and Gatiss managed to come up with.

I actually felt physical pain when S4E1's "twist" was that its actually all about her. Fuck me, and fuck you writers.

Whose dick did she suck, honestly. This show's strenght was the dynamic of Sherlock and Watson. Yet, they went on to stick a shitty character in the middle that pussified both of them. And the best part is that she gets the last word in whats potentially the last episode of the show.

>>78488437

Killing off or marginalising important female characters just to further male character development is bad writing purely on a scripting level.

Just because triggered retards don't like it doesn't somehow make it good writing, I swear you people would argue that The Room is a masterpiece of characterisation of Tumblr didn't like it, bad writing is bad writing no matter your personal politics.

>no Tumblr didn't like ti so I have to love it

>>78488982
I don't know why they gave Mary the last line of the season. Giving it to John, Sherlock or even Mycroft, fuck even Mrs. Hudson, that would be fine, but Mary hasn't been around long enough to be at that level

Fuck that

>>78488982
>Whose dick did she suck, honestly.
Freeman's.

>>78488732
>thanks for ignoring my past :^)

>>78479210
Oddly enough Sherlock's Final Problem aired just 30 minutes after a special Holocaust edition of Antiques Roadshow.

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>>78489074
>uses the phrase manpain
>tries to play it off like she just doesn't like bad writing

>>78489077
the actress who plays mary was martin freeman's long term gf and they have kids together

now you know why she was so forced down our throats in the show

>>78489074
>ebin superspy Mary Bond
>important character
nigga just fuck off, she got much more screentime than she should have

>>78489178
fuck

>>78489077
should have been a voiceover of a blogpost from watson desu

the idea that any audience member felt a connection to mary and like her monologue was appropriate is laughable

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>>78488468
>No Irving Braxiatel to play the Mycroft to the Doctor's Sherlock like in the books/audios
https://my.mixtape.moe/hhnmwy.mp3
REEEEEEEE

Finally watching now. Why is Mycroft so lame and useless in this? I thought he was supposed to be the smarter brother.

>>78489748
he's completely out of character. it's fucking ridiculous. they could have used this episode to show how smart mycroft actually is, but no, instead he's just a bumbling pussy in it

>>78489748
>THREE master manipulators in one room
>none of them do any manipulating

>>78489807
This was a really weird shit on Mycroft episode and it didn't feel deserved. Are we meant to hate this character or something? I thought that he'd come around and the twist would be that he was faking it/knew more but apparently he doesn't.

Why do they keep teasing Moriarty's return without any intention of going through with it? It was so fucking annoying that the "5 years earlier" subtitle came long after he was shown, just to fool the audience.

The entire tease for series 4 was that Moriarty was back, but he LITERALLY did nothing but record a few shitty video clips. IT WASN'T EVEN HIS PLAN

>>78489880
There's nothing to manipulate.

>>78489149
Don't misgender me, m8.
She was literally introduced for manpain and it fucking sucked.

>>78489880
Why manipulate when you can outright brainwash?

>>78489904
>Are we meant to hate this character or something?
hes a privileged white male, do you seriously need to ask?

>>78489935
Is this your first year of watching Sherlock?

>>78489935
I don't get why people want him back anyways. Then again, I never liked this incarnation of Moriarty.

>>78489970
You know Mary Morstan dies in the books though right? They were kind of constrained by the source material to kill Watson's wife.

>>78489999
Fucking checked

>>78477069

Yes. She was very distracting.

>>78490038
>Mary Morstan is mentioned in passing in "The Adventure of the Crooked Man" and "The Boscombe Valley Mystery", but by the time of "The Adventure of the Norwood Builder" (after Holmes's return) Mary Morstan has died and Watson has returned to his former lodgings in Baker Street. Her cause of death is never mentioned.

Entirely in the background

>>78490038
>books
LMAOING@UR LYF

>>78489935
Moffat is always teasing some ebin plot twists, but doesnt think whether they make sense and is too stupid to actually pull them off, same shit in Doctor Who

>>78490038

> They were kind of constrained by the source material

Yeah man remember when Moriarty blew his own brains out on top of a building on the behest of Sherlock's secret long-lost sister.

Just like the books.

>>78487848

This

There's a good reason ACD basically ignored her existence after The Sign of Four and then killed her off before he restarted

Literally nobody cares and it baffles me that Moffat and Gatiss wrote her in and continued to force her in everywhere for absolutely no reason. Only acceptable payoff (what I was trying to tell myself would happen after S3) was that she was a plant in cahoots with Moriarty/basically female Sebastian Moran, and that she'd have to be taken down.

Nope.

It might have been slightly less painful if they'd picked a better actress than Amanda Abbington, as well.

>>78490133
Remember when you weren't retarded and were able to understand the underlying point of - nvm
>>78490095
Yeah but she still dies and they tend to try to keep the basic character arcs intact in spirit, where applicable.

>>78489807
They pay a lot of lip service to Mycroft's intelligence but they aren't smart enough to write a character smarter than Sherlock. They can barely write Sherlock in a way that makes him seem actually smart and not cartoonishly good at predicting shit.

>>78490038
in the books she died offscreen and was never spoken of again. kind of wish they did that here

>>78490186
"How do you write a supergenius?" You just assume they can figure shit out.

Not necessarily satisfying (they even made fun of him creating idiotic chains of reasoning just to put one over on people) but that's the plan man.

>Did all this fucking cruel, horrible shit
>Still got to just keep living the way she was before

Why is Eurus alive?

>>78489080

Its even funnier because they broke up in early 2016, and still had to film shit

that schadenfreude... I would feel bad for them if her character was likeable or necessary to the plot at all

>>78490265
Mycroft took control of the facility again.

A man of Mycroft's influence could pull some strings to keep family alive.

>>78490186
it's hack writing, they cannot write characters that are actually smart, so they get around it by making all characters fucking idiots so that the one designed to be the smart one would stand out. it only works for one character per episode though, so for example in this episode to make Euros seem smart they made both Sherlock and Mycroft retarded

>>78490147
Because people were starting to complain about Sherlock being about a straight white male and his straight white male partner. So they had to introduce a strong womyn.

>>78489904
They do shit on Mycroft a fuckton in this episode. I'm not sure what brought it about either.

>>78490246
You write super genius by writing meticulously planned schemes and plots that are layer upon layers. For example Death note is smart people turned up to 11 while remaining plausible minus the supernatural shit. Another explain is Watchmen. This however is Wizards not super genius.

>>78490436
Nothing wrong with strong female characters. It's just a shame that they thought that meant that Mary had to be made the same status as Sherlock and John.

Arguably Molly was a much better character anyway since she was a lot more real as a person.

>>78485028
Season 3 was beyond a joke. Those critics are RLM-tier idiots.

>>78488500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3bGYljQ5Uw

>>78490436
>Because people were starting to complain about Sherlock being about a straight white male and his straight white male partner
literally what are you talking about. what level or retardation you have to be on to be surprised that main characters in a show based on stories that have been around for over a hundred years are white males?

>>78490486
I think they'd have done better to evolve Molly too. Then again, if they'd gone in that direction they'd probably turn her into some weird Mary Sue strong woman.

>>78490486
Nothing wrong with strong female characters till you try to overcompensate and then you end up with bullshit like Mary and Rey.

>>78490515
Welcome to the new frontier of social justice, where people literally get mad when you don't cast a black person as a traditionally white comic book character.

>>78490576
Yeah but strength is defined through challenge, which is why neither Mary nor Rey can really be called strong characters in any real sense, but if they'd done >>78490547 and developed Molly, she would count.

>>78490619
They never could have pulled off developing Molly. No doubt she would have become insufferable if they'd tried. They have demonstrated over and over again that they're not competent enough writers for it.

>>78490515
Welcome to 2017.
Did you miss out 2016?

>>78480233
I can buy Mycroft wouldn't be capable of executing a man like that but to say he doesn't have "blood on his hands" as a spymaster is pretty comical

>>78490515
There are people who want to literally rewrite history because it doesn't have enough people of color in European history

>>78490515
And how sad it would be that two male partners would have to be interpreted as gay nowadays. I guess Laurel and Hardy are just historical anachronisms. Can't wait for the Laurel and Hardy remake where Stanley makes Ollie's fat jiggle like


gross, i don't wanna even finish that thought

>>78490460
Because Sherlock had to stand out as the better brother with the heart. Even though usually he's equally an asshole until it suits the plot.

>>78490705
You will find a lot of people like him in real life. People are okay with murdering others so long as they are not the one physically doing it.

>>78490755
>LoTR remake in 2020
>Sam and Bilbo are gay lovers
>Aargon is now a black man

>>78490805
>Implying Sam and Frodo weren't already 90% of the way there in the original

This has been commented on since those movies came out.

>>78477326
This, minus the never good part.

Really though, S3 might have missed a few marks and been more heavily reliant on character drama, but fuck at least it was above-average television. I'd sooner watch an episode of NCIS before I watch S4 again.

Shit how about that and Jeremy Piven period piece on Masterpiece? Maybe I'll watch an episode of that to get the metaphorical taste out of my mouth.

>>78480695
took the whole magical empowered female to new unimaginable levels. I'm tired of having shows ruined by sjw garbage

>>78490782
its out of character though, what you wrote is a very emotional pov and Mycroft is not emotional at all

>>78490961
>Mycroft is not emotional
Book moriarty isn't a homo either

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Why couldn't they just stick to the formula and not get all fucking weird about it? There's a million mysteries they could have done and none of them required Watson to have a love interest or Sherlock to hallucinate his tits off in order for the episode to be interesting. The movies have the same problem, but at least they come to a boil and pop before you have to wait another fucking year while living in pain.

Data and Geordi did it better as a side gig.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvdSlRZ3mRU

http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/16/sherlock-showrunner-season-4-finale/

WHAT A HACK

Wasn't John shot in the face in the last episode? How is he alive?

>kill Moriarty
>he's in half the remaining episodes
>kill Mary
>she's in half the remaining episodes

Why kill anyone?

>>78492002
>Some of the elements, from Redbeard to the water motif, extend back further into the series. How long did you know about the major elements of this finale?
>We started talking about him having a sister fairly early on. What if Sherlock had a sister? What would that be like? But we didn’t take it madly seriously. During the planning of [season] 3 we came up with the plotline that we wanted to do. But there are elements from it we’ve been kicking around forever. Some of them have accidentally worked out well. If you go back to “A Scandal in Belgravia” and look at Mark Gattis when he reflects that Sherlock originally wanted to be a pirate but suddenly looks very sad and haunted, it’s very much a long game.
this is so dumb

>Moriarty met Eurus 5 fucking years ago and planned all the shit between him showing up and this episode
What the everloving fuck

>>78492263
That's not what happens.

Eurus meets Moriarty because he's a successful criminal. He just records shit for her, but she doesn't plan anything for him.

Well, there was certainly nothing in this interview to make me regret canceling the 6 tickets I bought for friends and family and me to see this episode in theaters. What a disappointment.

I had wanted to see what made this show so special: Sherlock's brilliant deductions and his growing and complicated relationships with people who understand and love a fascinating and difficult man, most of all John, who was fascinating and difficult in his own ways. Instead I got a trashy, clicheed, sadistic, jumbled crazy-woman-in-the-attic plot filled with holes, and a bunch of loose ends from previous episodes that will never get tied up.

I absolutely loved most episodes of Sherlock, including The Lying Detective, and liked the others, even The Blind Banker despite its flaws, but I wish I'd never seen this last one. I think it will corrupt what I thought I saw and loved in the other seasons.

And I know it's just television, but dammit, in a bleak January with a hellish presidential administration pending, I did so want this particular episode to be charming escapism at worst and groundbreaking art at best. Instead, it was dangling Garridebs falling into the sea for no reason. What a wasted opportunity.

>>78492002
>She gets over it! Surely at a certain point you have to figure out that after Sherlock escapes tells her, “I’m really sorry about that, it was a code, I thought your flat was about to blow up.” And she says, “Oh well that’s okay then, you bastard.” And then they go back to normal, that’s what people do. I can’t see why you’d have to play that out. She forgives him, of course, and our newly grown-up Sherlock is more careful with her feelings in the future. In the end of that scene, she’s a bit wounded by it all, but he’s absolutely devastated. He smashes up the coffin, he’s in pieces, he’s more upset than she is, and that’s a huge step in Sherlock’s development. The question is: Did Sherlock survive that scene? She probably had a drink and went and shagged someone, I dunno. Molly was fine.
What a cunt.

>>78492367
I completely agree with you. I only discovered "Sherlock" back in the dark days of November, 2016 and binge-watched all three "seasons" on Netflix for two days straight. I fell in love with the series, with the characters, the writing, the excellence of all aspects of my first taste of BBC/British television. I was utterly charmed and a drop dead "fan" of the show and I was so anticipating these measly final three episodes, especially the series finale. What a poor way, what shoddy, lazy writing. You pegged it: This final episode was a completely wasted opportunity and robbed me of some of my love for the whole series. And that one of the creators/writers/actors in the series was so disinterested in the outcome and how viewers would react was just plain sad.

>>78492373
lmao

In what world is Molly not really fucking hurt by something like that?

>>78492373
>The question is: Did Sherlock survive that scene?
THIS IS SO DUMB

why has no one stopped moffat

What was that old lady giving Microft her number the last chapter about anyway? I was expecting for her to have a role in the finale.
Also, why the fuck is Mycroft smiling over an old film with his family all of a sudden? Isn't him supposed to not be interested in that stuff?
Everyone was out of character this whole episode, even Molly was being difficult for no disernible reason at all.

Frankly, this was such a wasted opportunity, with very little regard to the viewership and fandom.

This show queerbaited for 7 years, only to ridicule at the possibility at the end (its 2017!). The young LGBT community felt betrayed for completely throwing away at the end, and making them feel like idiots for seeing themselves on the screen. According to the original Canon, John and Sherlock were together in love (that was 1887 and not made explicit)

This is unfair to the fandom and LGBT community.

>>78492373
>I'm going to tease you about your unrequited love for me, but don't worry, this'll hurt me more than it hurts you

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the absolute madmen

>>78492434
She's fine

>>78492477
ok moffat

>>78492464
NANI?

>>78492455
>no reason at all
I agree with everything you said except that. Molly's developed a bit as a character to where she doesn't let Sherlock walk all over her so much any more, and is quite noticeably less receptive to him because she knows he doesn't return her feelings. She's been that way for quite a while and it makes sense considering how Sherlock's treated her in the past.

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>>78492462
They gave Sherlock a lot of undeserved and ooc emotionality in this season. I get where they were going with it, but it just didn't build right. Since when was Sherlock Holmes the "heart" of anything, and yet they seemed to be trying to turn him into this overly emotional good guy all the sudden this season.

There was no reason this should ever hurt him more than Molly after all the time he spent hurting her and when she was the one pining. I didn't mind Sherlock being bothered but that interview comment is just silly. Apparently everyone's emotions are just there for Sherlock.

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>>78490265
because she doesn't real, she's just another representation of sherlock's fear of himself

>>78492601
Damn, I knew I knew the actor.

>>78492455
Mycroft's writing in this was just bizarre. He was bumbling, overemotional and useless in spite of how intelligent he is. How do you have both Holmes brothers together working toward the same goal and have it not amount to anything and make them both emotional wrecks?

>>78492626
So will E4 just reveal everything was all one of Sherlock's dreams? I thought they already did that with the feminist episode.

>>78492605
>Since when was Sherlock Holmes the "heart" of anything

since ACD was writing about him tbqh

They hung the "three garridebs" guys in that ep in that ridiculous Saw parody situation because three garridebs is a story with a pretty famous/notable quote about Sherlock's "great heart", watson says something like "for once i caught a glimpse of a great heart as well as a great mind". I'm not bullshitting about it being a pretty famous canon quote but its also one of mofftiss' favorites so hanging the three garridebs like that in the most stupid way imaginable was clearly a sign, among many things, that this ep was fake a fuck

>>78476945
I've only seen a couple episodes but watched it the other night with my mother and it was possibly the worst episode of anything I've ever seen. I kept looking at her and scoffing that she loves it so much and she kept saying "it's never been like this before."
I literally laughed out loud when he starts waving his hands in the air rearranging the song.

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Eurus a cute

C U T E
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>>78492605
yeah it's like they tried to tell us he had already developed but didn't bother showing him developing on screen. he just turned emotional all of a sudden and then the writers handwaved it by having characters go on about how he's changed already and didn't you notice?

This season was the worst thing that could've happened to the show. None of the episodes had any real "mystery" to solve; they were all trying to be these epic and dramatic conclusions to the series, and completely failing at that. I wouldn't call season 4 a mystery show; it was more like a shitty crime drama.

>>78492605
>Knows this girl is about to blow up
>Still hesitates to just say I love you when she asks as a stipulation to her doing the same.

Emotional entanglement be damned, pretty much anyone would just be blurting that out with zero hesitation in this scenario. Sherlock especially should not have found that so hard.

The last episode was an affront.

The show is in shambles.
I wish they would just reboot or start over after the season 2 finale, only with smart writers.

>>78492626
lol kind of dumb if they do a fourth episode now, they've already burned the people who might have wanted to watch it.

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YOU JUST KNOW

>>78492690
I'm not saying it's completely false, but they built it up all wrong.

>>78492691
I feel like this happens with the ending of any popular series. It's always incredibly polarizing because the grand finale is almost always completely different than anything preceding it, to make the show/book/etc. go out with a bang. This causes some people to hate the betrayal of the roots, while others enjoy the fireworks.

To call this the "worst episode of anything ever" is overdramatic.

>>78480748

>TFW this scene and the final ending scene of "BAKER STREET BOYZ" leaping at the camera made your entire family burst into laughter

We stopped and bitched about a lot of things that happened during the episode, but those two scenes were the highlights. Sherlock's always been kind of a bad show that we watched anyway but holy goddamn hell that episode.

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Eurus x Irene Adler when?

also when's the next season coming up? in 5 years?

>>78492773
To clarify, Sherlock may have a great heart but he's never really portrayed like "the heart", or the moral and emotional compass. John is more of that character. It's almost like they switched places for some odd reason.

>>78492691
the episode was purposely designed to be bad and go against the entire story they have been telling and consist of nothing but horrible tropes and zero logic the whole time. havent read through this thread so i dont know what the consesus is but its obvious to me that it was completely fake and intentionally made to contradict the whole point of their show, it even begins with mycroft watching an emotional scene in a detective show and then getting interrupted by a fucking scary clown. so give some eps from season 1 a go if you want to know what this show is actually like because right now the show faking its own death to mirror ACD attempting to kill off the sherlock holmes series i guarantee this 100%

>>78492742
>Believing they could actually make a E4 in a week because some autists on a Taiwanese shitposting medium cried about E3

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>>78492802
>next season

>>78492435
Typical of all Moffat shows.

Woman is forced to tell a man she's felt unrequited love for that she loves him and feels that she is being made fun of.

But what about how HE feels?

>>78492823
It almost feels that way. Mycroft got shafted the most in this episode. He didn't even feel like the same character.

>>78480748
Why didn't they just throw the drone down the stairs when Mrs. Watson wasn't close?

>>78492823
If this theory turned out to be true and we get TKOL Part 2 then I will dedicate my 2nd novel to /tv/.

>>78492871
Yeah I think the feminism complaints are overdone a lot of the time but they're totally justified with stuff like this. That's bullshit that somehow it's worse for Sherlock than it is for Molly

>>78492823
i would actually take this at this point but i honestly think they just got lost up their own asses

>>78492811
Alright, that's a fair analysis. I do think, though, that ACD Holmes is much kinder and more gentle to people than Cucumber Holmes, and now I'm sure that this was very intentional by the creators of the show. Theyve said it themselves that this is about sherlock and john's friendship/relationship and the development of sherlock's character, i mean its in what, ep 1 that they bring up "he's a great man and may one day be a good one" (and then bring it up again in this Bizzaro World version of the show to 0 emotionally impacting effect), the show is about Sherlock realizing that he (and John) are only human, as said in the lying detective, and imo they seem to be showing us his transition toward that much warmer Holmes that we find in ACD.

>>78492802
I totally forgot that they hinted at her still being alive.
They introduced so much stuff in the past two episodes that didn't add anything to the over arching story.

>>78487680
Why the fuck would you exectue her? It's not like she's the most terrible terrorist in the world. She killed a kid when she was a kid herself, that warrants a lifelong psychiatric check-up. Then she killed like five people while trying to get the attention of Sherlock. Now she has Sherlock's attention and so there's no reason to think she'll do that shit again. Meanwhile she's in a secure unit with more strict guide-lines about what the guards are allowed to do and hopefully Sherlock's visits will bring her back into use for the government in a year or two.

The government keep actual mass-murderers alive if there's a chance that they'll be useful. They have zero reason to execute her, especially since if it went before a jury people would probably be more inclined to put her in psychiatric care since she's obviously mentally disturbed, so the government killing her would be bad PR if it got out, and with Sherlock and Mycroft knowing about her it WOULD get out.

>>78476945
I didn't understand how Eurus became so gifted manipulating people when she lived most of her life isolated from everything.
Her abilities imply that like sherlock she reads about stuff which is where her knowledge comes from but she can't get access to that stuff in her cell before she'd brainwashed everyone.

It's like she literally just magically had a degree level of psychological understanding.

>>78492731
My thoughts exactly.

>>78493002
They wanted to write her as a charismatic character, but forgot to do the writing part

>>78493002
Eurus is a literal wizard.
They keep her there to prevent hogwards from sending an owl to her.

>>78488594
>Even the satellite footage that Mycroft sees doesn't have her in it because she's not there


You mean the helicopter following him around? She was most definitely there in that shot, sitting at the bus-stop or whatever it was.

>>78492875
Yeah. None of them were acting truly in character, none of them were written fully as themselves. Look at the wonderful acting and character exploration that takes place in the previous episode. look at the camera work in that ep. listen to the score of that ep. All high quality and with attention to detail.

Sherlock literally puts on that deerstalker cap that he hates and only wears to appeal to the masses at the end of that episode, and right after that we get Eurus revealing that she is my original character do not steal, and in the next ep where nothing makes any fucking sense in any way at all, sherlock enters on his firstappearance wearing that cap, even though his only audience is apparently Mycroft. the episode ends with a gun in john's face and this next one begins with ignoring that completely and suggesting that sherlock's reaction to finding out his secret OC sister could have killed his best friend is to go rig up the paintings in mycroft's house to weep blood.

the ep was filmed on a budget of $5 in somebody's basement and grandma's house on a potato camera with a potato cameraman and no original music.

and yet somehow it took twice the length of time to film this ep than an average ep of sherlock.

its a fake.

>>78493045
>but forgot to do the writing part
IT KEEPS HAPPENING

>>78492916
Same but with Moffat I think they're usually justified. This guy just talks so much shit about women in general.

How about the christmas episodes where he portrays the suffragette movement is a secretive cabal of women wearing klan hoods who murder their husbands?

>>78476945
Second episode of this seasons was the only decent one.

>>78493002
To make things worse, she actively admits that she has no understanding of emotions and asks them to explain how they're feeling. You can't manipulate someone without a very, very deep understanding of how emotions tie into our logic. Another point on the "it was literally fucking mind magic" board.

>>78493090
Tbf the final scene in the therapist's office was shot really well, especially that scene where it was shot from directly above as Eurus starts pulling off her contacts and glasses and leaning over John.

That actually made her fairly convincing as a potential villain and I was pretty hyped for episode 3. Unfortunately they didn't bother to follow through.

>>78493114
Had a decent villain with a semi plausible plan.

Serial killer who happens to be rich and famous builds a hosptial so he can kill people without causing suspicion.

Drugging people so he can confess was a stretch too far but Toby Jones performance sold it.

>>78493090
And even though Sherlock can apparently predict weeks into the future to a fucking t, his more intelligent brother couldn't figure out that he was being played and bumbled around like a terrified child. Then he proceeded to do the same throughout the episode and was useless.

>>78493158
How did John survive getting shot in the face?

>>78493138
>You were laughing
>Oh wait you were screaming
>I can manipulate anyone

>>78493045
That isn't even how a proper charismatic character is done.

Such characters like Eurus does exist in real life and they come in 2 forms and are much more subtle. And not literal magic.

1. Is the criminal that is very connected and powerful. These are the most dangerous and most common type that always appear in shows. They are charismatic because they hold power and the power to use it against you.

2. This is the type of criminal that Moffat wants to write but can't. These are the serial killers that are charming and charismatic. Interact too long with them and you forget they killed and skinned their daughter or wife and ate her. These are the criminals that banter with you, ask you how your day is and what your favorite sports team is. What a coincidence, he also supports the same team. Interact with them too long and you drop your guard around them. This is when they are the most dangerous. A high profile example will be Ted Bundy. But make no mistake, prisons are filled with such people. Some terrifyingly good at appearing charming.

What Moffat wants to write Eurus as is a combination of the two. But since he can't fucking write, he gives her literal magic that gives her the ability of the above two archtypes but doesn't write her as such. Hence the episode falls completely flat on its face.

>>78493175
They say in the next episode it was a tranquilizer.

So she shoots and then goes back to prison? Airtight plan.

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>>78493061
Kek

>>78493175
It was a tranq
>>78493179
There are also others that are none of the above. Ideologues, cult-leader type personalities, even regular people with natural charisma. Bill Clinton's pretty notorious for that, actually.

>>78493190
She went back because she wanted to. They made it clear that she could have left whenever she wanted, since she can and did fucking mind meld with all the prison guards. She did all this to get Sherlock to go to her.

>>78493219
Those people rely on an external crutch to aid their deception. An idea, be it a religion, money, the allure of power to aid them in tricking others. There are plenty of them around as well and frankly majority of them aren't criminals which is why I didn't add them. Even the church pastor in your neighbourhood wields this in some form and unless he is diddling kids, he isn't a criminal.

>>78493176
Fucking exactly. She's so intelligent that she can manipulate everyone with her words alone since childhood, and yet she can't tell the difference between crying and laughing.

This would have worked at least a little better if she'd made it clear that while she doesn't feel the way other people feel, she still has a deep understanding of emotion on paper and can use it. They didn't even do that. It made no sense.

>Last episode Eurus was functional enough to impersonate three diferent persons (one of them for weeks)
>This episode she's a total derranged sociopath that can't distinguish a screaming from laughter

>>78493190
>>78493230

I'm not as certain about this as i am about the episode being non-reality but Eurus is just a representation of sherlock's fear of himself

we already saw him go down into the depths of his mind once when he was shot by mary, he went down the stairs and into a padded cell with moritary who was acting crazed and viscious and creepy as usual, this is just another version of that with sherlock confronting his inner fear of actually being a psychopath rather than a "high functioning sociopath" which he insists on correcting people whenever they call him a psychopath

honestly he's probably the one who killed his dog friend when they were children, which would "make him everything he is today", be something he wouldnt want to remember, and probably make him feel pretty bothered whenever he gets called a psycho

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>all these people saying Eurus should have been killed instead of put back in her cell with some new rules about who gets to talk to her

From everything we're shown it's very likely that her body-count is actually smaller than Mary's, or even John's. And she's thwarted terrorist attacks. All while having a legitimate mental disorder to blame.

>>78493161
I also enjoyed the twist that the girl sherlock saw, the girl on the bus, and the psychologist were the same person, not because it was clever but because even though they were the same actor I literally did not notice at all.

>>78493286
Nah the reason I added them is because they're actually particularly notorious for being dangerous in prisons.

Like I read that the first mentor of the founder of ISIS was that charismatic they had to place time limits on how long any prison staff was allowed to interact with this dude because they'd noted his ability to consistently have a magnetic affect on people.

And Bill Clinton just oozes charisma plain and simple.

>>78493331
>not because it was clever
I mean that because it wasn't clever, it was a fairly cheap twist to pull.

>>78493343
They attract you via subtle methods but really none of them have the effect of literal mind control like Eurus does.

>>78493138
Exactly, she keeps going on about emotional context in the episode which is one of the key things needed to understand another human being psychologically. If she lacks any form of empathy she can't form an emotional understanding of another person, and neither can she gain a more conceptual understanding of emotion through self reflection.

How does she even know how human emotions work from her only experience with people in recent times is being with guards, scientists, and public servants.

>kill Moriarty and Mary
>they're not dead

ok

>>78493302
and i mean in the abominable bride john asks him "what made you like this?" and sherlock says "nothing made me. I made me" then a dog barks and sherlock looks out the window and says "redbeard?"

i'm not gonna believe that this is just about some stupid fanfiction.net abomination of a sister feeling jelly that he had a friend to play with and wanting a hug, its gotta be that sherlock needs to embrace this dark truth of his past, which we dont know what it is but as i said i think he killed his buddy for science by accident and is forever haunted by it

eurus can be anywhere at all times and look like anyone because she is fear, not because she has magic powers and just likes to wander in and our of prison tranquilzing people for the lulz

>>78493230
And all cuz she wanted a hug from her big bro :^)

>>78493419
Oh really I thought magic was real

>>78492018
Tranquilizer round they said in episode 3, and there was no indication that was in the face.

Is Moffat by now Lindelof-tier?

>>78492959
>Then she killed like five people
That you know of.

alright i gotta get out of here for a while or my autism about this will keep me here forever

episode is fake, created to highlight the exact opposite intentions of the creators, from the beginning when sherlock enters wearing the stupid hat that represents sherlock's public front, interrupting mycroft's emotional detective movie with nonsensical horror movie antics and a Saw/Silence of the Lambs parody devoid of all feeling or connection to reality except for the scene with molly, to the end when we are told by mary speaking to us from a TV screen that character development doesnt matter, are shown clips from episode one and told that the characters we were shown in ep 1 are all they have to them and we should explore them no further, and then shown john and sherlock on a freeze frame suspended in mid-stride in front of a building that says rathbone, halting their forward development and freezing them in rathbone era adaptations because their only purpose is to retell the "legends" and freak you out with poorly filmed explosions and clown fights and not to pry further into the character's actual feelings because who they are doesnt matter

expect ep 4 soon, maybe mary will send it to you on DVD

S4 should have ended with Eurus drugging everyone with the memory drug from E2 and Sherlock staring at a picture of a person he can't remember and now will never remember.

Then tone down the crazy mind control powers (were they even necessary to the plot at all? The only time it was used for the guards to hold their guns up which could have been replaced with her replacing all the guards with Moriarty's people).

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>>78493930
Why is it that whenever any series ends people ALWAYS come up with some crazy theory to try to rationalize more to come, and that the ending was faked? This is just bargaining in the 5 steps of grief.