Get Me The Fuck Out of the USA

There are many many factors which will make life more difficult for you abroad instead of easier. Namely language, and being an outsider. That said, if its mainly benefits and state welfare you seel more of, this might be possible, but you should research to see what the requirements are.

Tbh i dont recommending startinf from scratch in a foreign country with a wife and newborn. But if you 2 are a good team and share the same goal, you can def do it!--tho id recommend spending a year researching and preparing. Id think youd at least need the basics of the language down, or have a job lined up before hand.

One thing ive learned is that you rly cant predict how you will feel about a place until you are there.

Short term, perhaps you would benefit from a new ciry in the US. Or if you can save the money, take your wife abroad for 2-4 weeks and explore your top3 picks as cheaply as possible. Good luck!!

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>>1255087
>I need to get my passport started and get this shit underway
Before you "need" anything else, you need to find a way of actually moving into Europe. It's not just a matter of catching a flight and walking into any old warehouse along the high street to find a job. You'd need a residency permit at the very least. Spend some serious time looking into this.
More to the point, the EU is the strongest market in the world. It was quite literally created to be a huge "industrial capitalist complex". Not quite what you're looking for, I'm afraid.

>>1255087
Posts like this make me cringe with their naivete. I'm sorry, m8, but despite all the hubub about globalization, borders still exist and you do not have the right to work or live in Europe. You can stay for 90 days unless you have a job and visa lined up.

>tired of western capalist country
>wants to move to different western capalist country
>thinks this will totally automatically fix shitty life and personality
>can't fully articulate why
>hasn't even done the most basic of research
>doesnt even have a passport
>trv

>>1255096
>>1255096
Thanks for the insight. These honestly are things I've looked a bit into, but figured rather than reading article after article, I could get some information from people like you! Thanks much.

>>1255097
The visas and such I've read about and looked into. I have a contact I've been friends with for a while in the area so a job and a living arrangement should eventually be in order. This is in it's infancy on my side, just wanted to get some opinions.

And maybe it is, but the benefits to it's citizens surpasses anything even remotely possible in the US. I work hard and I feel like I deserve a little more for myself and my family on that front.

>>1255100
Thanks for the failed attempt at your help, but those are things that are obvious and that clearly I'm not going to jump forward without. Thanks anyways.

>>1255108
>wanting opinions
>figured the majority of people on trv would be open-minded and informative
>they have
>4chan shows no mercy when it come to attracting digressive retards
>expects more backlash from Mr. Greentext

>>1255108
its not that he thinks life will be on easy mode or that he won't have to work hard in europe, its about what your country gives in return for you. safety, infrastructure, welfare, healthcare, a good society should reward its citizens and workers to contribute to the economy.

america fucking sucks in this regard. its one of the wealthiest countries in the west, the taxes are nearly as high as those in europe, and they still can't provide basic human rights like medical care and education to its working class.

>>1255176
Someone that actually knows what they're talking about. Thanks!

>>1255087
Learn the offical language of the country you're moving to.

Go to Panama

Pay 5 grand and buy a house there, boom you're cleared for a visa and you'll get citizenship with a few years. Cheaper economy, capability for dual citizenship, and the place is protected by the US military.

>>1255087
What a fucking loser mentality. Please do your best not to project this on to your poor child if you want it to ever have a chance at life.

>>1255087
Also, do you have any knowledge what so ever of European economies or labor markets? I suggest taking a look at the unemployment rates for your demographic in France and Italy.

You show up talking nonsense about the "industrial capitalist complex" without the ability to even speak the native language and they'll laugh in your face.

>>1255087
Austria's the place to go. I went to vocational school, then worked 40 hours/week for 4 years and now I only work 8 hours per week and get as much money as a full time nurse because of benefits. And when my previous employer fired me, I got about 6000€ in total from different insurances, organizations and my company of course.

Now I just relax at home most of the time and search for a job which doesn't bore the shit out of me.

threads like this are why /trv/ will forever remain one of the worst boards

>>1255087
Assuming the following:
>you only speak English
>you have actually thought this through (since from your OP it doesn't particularly show)

France and Italy are among the worst options to go to, looking at the current economy/job market. You'll also want to avoid Greece, Spain, Portugal, and any of the former Soviet countries.

I dont know to what extent residency/working permits are EU regulated or differ per country, but I think it's best to base your choice off how easy it is to get one.

It sounds like you're looking for a country with a socialist government, in which case the Scandinavian countries, Germany and The Netherlands seem viable options. They all have relatively strong economies, and fairly good social security.

That all being said:
>with the current flow of refugees from the Middle East and Africa, it's probably the worst time to try to get a permit in a European country
>Can't you just go to Canada?

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>>1255087
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald#Defection_to_the_Soviet_Union

/trv/ is not for your socialist delusions where you think you should be paid more. If you were worth more you could find a job that pays more easily. The fact you cannot do this is proof you are not worth more. The cost of living in the USA is so much cheaper than Europe, stop being a retard.

Also get the fuck off /trv/ and post your stupid bullshit on international.

I wish they made me a fucking janitor

>>1255419
>socialist

Man, get your facts straight.

I am from Germany OP, I could help you if you want more information, but there is one thing required for sure: you need to learn the language.
Therefor you will get a lot and don't need to put up with attitude like >>1255336

After all, it's your life and your decision. Also for you child.
If you care about his future: education is better here. University have not as high output as ivy leagues in impact points, but they are free, accessible and still very good.

Let us know.

>>1255442
www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Germany

No wonder OP wants to leave USA with people as you there.

P.S.: The fact that you can't be janitor is the proof you are not worth it.

Is this the right argumentation, yes?

>>1255458
>www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Germany


It's almost like op said Italy or France and you are comparing Germany.

No the fact I didn't apply to be a janitor is the reason I didn't become a janitor. This is still not the correct board for this dumb cunts thread.

>>1255087
>Bio:
>24
>M
>Family, one newborn (3 wks.) and a girlfriend of 2 years now
>IT centered education, certificates acquired, some college completed.
>The industrial capitalist complex of the American "dream" is holding me back from my potential. I'm an already easily depressed person and I think it's because of what I'm surrounded by and what direction this fuckhole is headed in.
Oh let me guess, you're not headed towards an easy graduation. You have probably dropped or failed classes already.

Anyone of any intelligence/work ethic caliber has a decent IT job while in college, or there is something wrong with them, something that moving to Europe isn't going to fix. You got pregnant before you were able to afford it, and now you're faced with big responsibilities and stress, and you decided to blame your nation, a country that the other world's IT workers try to come to work in. You might be lazy, addicted to idle online activities versus improving your education. Get a 2nd job in the time you aren't working or in school.

Oh , and Panama isn't such a bad idea. It's basically the US economy.
Why does it have to be Europe?

>>1255451
i feel you. I hate when /int/ /r9k/and /pol/ post their garbage here.

>>1255464
because OP is a retarded faggot that only knows the world through Hollywood movies

lamo he doesn't even has a passport and can probably only speak 1 language

Finish college, then you could legally migrate to France or Germany by going there and getting a masters degree (almost free)

>>1255176
>basic human rights like medical care
How the fuck is this a human right?
You dont have the right to recieve free goods and services.
Human rights are about things not being done to you not free shit you did not earn.

Get this trash thread off of trv please

>>1255087
Your life is shit because you're 24 with no real skills or education and you fucked some whore and didn't pull out.

Your best bet now is to join the military and hope Uncle Sam fights NK so that you get shipped off to Busan where some kimchi blows your brains out and your whore gets compensation.

>>1255463
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Italy&country2=United+States

Still you are wrong.
So instead spreading false information you could just try not to be human garbage for one day.
OP asked for help and just because you don't want to belive the situation in the USA is worse then in most states in Europe, you are not more right then him.
So back to /pol/ Reeeeing there and defending USA with all it takes.

>>1255455
Compred to the US all these countries are socialist as fuck

>>1255525
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs323/en/

Bitch, what are you talking about?
Of course it is a human right. Just because it doesn't work in the USA, it still is a basic human right.
I am becoming a MD, every one of our profession pledges to the Declaration of Geneva, there it even states you should help people independent of status.

Boy, since when did /pol/ neo-capitalist spilled over here?
OP works and get not offered enough, simply put.
Why he has a child is his decision, so instead of bothering how to kick the guy under you in the social ladder, you should ask yourself if it is not possible to improve the situation.

>>1255087
>moving from the US to a 3rd world country

>>1255610
Please look at the average salary. Wages are lower in Italy, whilst the cost of things aren't much lower, and higher in some case. A net cost of living increase relative to income.

Please shut the fuck up and stop encouraging dumb cunt posts on /trv/

>>1255615
>Why he has a child is his decision
His bad decisions do not mean I have to pay for his health care

>>1255673
since his wage is already low, it doesn't matter:
Dumb posts? Go back to you 5th thread about japan or the 6 about SEA then.

fuck off we're full

no more economic migrant leaches in europe

I don't see how you would qualify for a visa that would enable you to work in the EU. You could move on a student visa but the amount of hours you could work would probably be limited to part-time work and of course you would have to attend the institution and pay any course fees. Your other option would be through marriage and that doesn't look like a possibility either. You could maybe qualify from citizenship somewhere, I know that you can get Italian or Irish citizenship if a grandparent was born there.

>>1255943
>honest, educated white man who wants to provide for his family and is willing to work hard
>"fuck off we're full"
>millions of unskilled arabs, turks, and africans who come in with no intent of assimilation and poor background checks leading to extremely high rates of crime and unemployment
>"oh yes yes please come in, we always welcome more Diversity™ :^)))"
let me guess; German?

Germany may have exactly what you're looking for anon.

I suggest for maximum welfare you take on a state sponsored African bull, who will be required to sire at least one mongrel child with your wife and will need daily preparation.

>>1255087
>>>1255087
>More to the point, the EU is the strongest market in the world. It was quite literally created to be a huge "industrial capitalist complex". Not quite what you're looking for, I'm afraid.
both the EU and its individual member states have way more programs and laws to help families and workers from being overexploited.
from maternity leave to payed vacation to payed insurance etc...

>>1255087
move to thailand, and just start some kind of foreigner focused business like a titty bar or something

the UK is expensive and cucked like no other country on the planet

shit thread, similar problem but im actually a citizen, need to use it to test a function

anyway just move to latin america

polite and hope this shit dies sage