Guys, I would seriously appreciate any information you could provide.
I'm supposed to go to a university in Austria, Vienna (already spoke to the uni, summer semester, empty places left etc., got the requirements to get accepted yada yada), but guess what, I have no money. Not too surprising for a student, and a slav to that.
Reason I'm going is, I need to get my shit together, move myself. That aside though, my parent would be able to provide €250 monthly, and I would need to find a part time job, which would yield €350 max. ( Aus. law doesn't allow for more)
Total, I'd have €600 monthly, clearly not enough to survive each month.
I'm still missing about €200, as from what I've read online, you can get by just fine with ~€800. (I'll be living in a dorm, won't spend any money on unnecessary luxury)
Now, where the fuck do I get the additional €200 each month?
I already spoke to the Austrian federal aid people, and they aren't able to give me a grant, so that's out. Also, I'll already be working part time, so two part time jobs are out, since max. working time per week is 12 hours. Lastly, I really, really don't want to take a bank loan and have them take 20% of my salary for 20 years. Fuck. That.
Do you have any idea? This would mean so much to me!
already posted on /adv/ btw.
What are you doing at university?
>>1161765
Gonna do engineering, electrical or mech.
>>1161766
I'm not really sure how you're gonna make the extra money. Unless you did some cash-in-hand jobs to stay under the radar of the €350 law?
You need 2,400 a year. The easiest thing for you to do would be to ask every family member, "uncle", "aunt", and friend of the family you know of to loan you the money, maybe at 2% interest, maybe 0% if you are lucky (or maybe they can give a portion of it to you if you are really really lucky). With an engineering degree, you would easily be able to pay them back. This is not a lot of money. Don't be afraid or ashamed of asking for help here, especially with the degree you will get when you graduate, you have nothing to be ashamed of.
>>1161746
as a student in Austria you can work full time during semester break
>>1161767
>>1161777
Ok just found out that as a Croatian, Austria has restrictions for us, and without a working permit I can't even work part-time. I don't think they'll even bother when they know they can just as easily find someone else who doesn't have any restrictions...
>>1161771
No one to borrow from, honestly.
Look up scholarships and grants from various institutions both in your home country and in Austria.
>>1161784
pretty much this
You can try to find some work where you're just paid cash in hand but I guess it wouldn't be easy to find (I've never been to Austria however). The other options are borrow it, sell drugs, or just live frugally. How much will your rent be?
>>1161780
Do they have tougher restrictions on Croatia than the rest of Europe?
Is it possible to study in a better country?
>>1161795
300 euro, if I live in a shared flat.
>>1161796
Yes, they do. No, can't study elsewhere except German speaking countries, and also this university has many places empty apparently, I guess the other less shit ones are very tough to get it, saw on page of one of them say "16000 admissions for 2000 places" I was like wtf. no way I'm ever getting in there.
>>1161784
>>1161789
I've already checked all the Austrian grants, most are university related in a sense that you already have to had started, and gotten grades and stuff. But what about the first semester? Also, no one guarantees I'll be topping my engineering class. I've got Croatia left, and I know that won't work out. Well, gonna call around, see what info I can get.
Thanks to all so far!
Don't apply to or go to university when you cannot afford it. You can wait. Get a job, save money then go.
>>1161812
You sure you've checked "all Austrian grants"? I live in another Western European country and there are literally grants and scholarships everywhere and for every cause. There are books written about them and how best to get them because of the extent. Just keep on looking.
Living on 600,- € per month should be possible desu. How much are you paying for the dorm? There are decent dorms for about 250,- €.
>>1161817
In Wien? Do you live there? I was planning on getting the cheapest possible dorm, anything I can do to reduce the cost. I'd be getting €250 from my mum, and IF I was able to get a maximum paying student job (€330 or so) I'd have around €600 every month. And I really barely spend my money on anything, so this money would literally be living necessities only, food, residence, health, books. But this is only wishful thinking, I'm not guaranteed to find a lasting student job, or find a job every time the previous one terminates... it's basically luck based.
>>1161816
I seriously don't know where else to ask for a "grant", that would of course, be paid monthly. I asked the federal aid guys, and they were the only ones known to be who would give monthly allowances. The rest are scholarship for the top of the class, which can of course only be granted once you actually had gone through a semester. Where do you live though?
>>1161814
I really must go now.
>>1161854
You should look for single sum scholarships as well. Every penny counts. I'm from Sweden and I don't think it's very different here from Austria (or even Croatia). Are you a member of a church or parish of some sort? See if they have something. Or local and international foundations like Lions or whatever. Maybe there's a Yugoslavs in Austria Society or some bullshit like that, that give out something. There are literally thousands of organisations all over with way too much money that have grants in the honour of this or that. You just gotta find some half-suitable ones and make a convincing case.
>>1161867
I just looked up those maybe an hour ago. Seems pretty good, I will be looking into single sum aids.
But I a reliable source of around €350 every month though additional to what my parents would give, and single sums I would save for the worst. It would be perfect to be able to have a continuous honorary job as a student in Austria, but that might be a problem.
How hard is it to find a student job in Sweden for example? Are there international students working too?
>>1161868
Yeah there are students working here. The language is of course the main issue but there are loads of jobs that only require English.
Also do under the table stuff. Walk dogs, mow lawns etc. Offer to teach people Croatian (or English if you're really good at it).
It will be tough but if you really are determined to go you can make it I'm sure.
>>1161869
Dude, language is the least of my problems. They wouldn't let me admit to the uni if I couldn't guarantee that I will have learned German. It's absolutely necessary. I just worry about having a job continuously, because the way I see it right now, I'd have €250 from parents and probable but unreliable €300 + random single sum scholarships I manage to pick up along the way. Doesn't sound promising, even though I'd do my best to save every penny.
How long do people manage to keep student jobs? Are they like, one time jobs or continuous throughout time, excluding waitering jobs (no way in hell I'd do such a thing, my heart would blow up from anxiety)
You're true about maybe teaching people languages, I like languages, even though I'm nowhere near perfect fluent in English, I would maybe be able to teach by heart, since I've already forgotten so many grammatical nuances, the way I know something I communicate is just because I feel it's right. Same goes for my native language.
I'm really fucking determined, I'm stubborn and don't easily give up, but the worst part is everyone else telling me I'll fail. My grandma bitching about my uncle failing to do the same thing I'm up to, my mum being like "nugga you better give up" as soon as I mentioned the Austrian federal aid not being able to give money etc. In one hand, it's defeating and demoralizing, but in the other, in spite of all things I wanna show them how wrong they were for trying to have me give up.
>>1161746
Are you male or female?
>>1161874
I think you will be okay but if you are going to survive as a foreign student, be prepared to do a lot of things you wouldn't normally consider. Also waitering is not a tough job, like anything once you get over exposed dealing with people the anxiety will subside. Anyway just have faith that something will come. I mean tons of foreign students survive Uni, why not you?
Also your written english seems okay, perhaps you can just fib your way to an english teaching job, who the hell would be able to tell. Additionally have you considered being a tour guide? It seems like you have a knack for performance. The job is quite flexible with hours and you can make a killing if you really dedicate yourself to the job. It's especially good now given that is summer. Perhaps you should consider it.
For part time job, get a job in a hotel. All decent hotels provide meals for their employees, so you can save some money on food from that.
>>1161746
20% of your salary for 20 years is a lot of money anon. You don't need to borrow all that much
>>1161934
Guy
>>1161950
Yeah, it was a policy of some back. Later I found there are some here in Cro that offer you like €10k or so, and you gotta pay round 14k back, gotta start repaying one year after finishing edu. at the latest
>>1161938
I guess so, I mean I will do whatever is in my power to get some € flowing, but I've read that people have a hard time finding a part time job in any case, including Austrians themselves.
Haven't thought about being a tour guide ever, hh
>>1161746
Do they haw student loans in your home country? Can you get one?
>>1161966
Sorry I didn't read the thread.
>>1161746
>€350 max. ( Aus. law doesn't allow for more)
this is not true, you just have to pay for healthcare and stuff if you earn more.
>>1162400
Ok well, the thing I'm facing here specifically as a Croatian though, is that if I want to work over 10 hours they must apply the labor market test or something along those lines, where you can't get the job unless there is absolutely no one that can do your job, who isn't bound by the working permit. Which basically makes it literally impossible for me to do a job for over 10h. If you know more about this, please let me know!
>>1162403
>Ok well, the thing I'm facing here specifically as a Croatian though
go to the 16th district, there are a lot of ustasa bars there, say you want to work but need €350 on account and the rest off hand. good if you know thompson and some old "evo jure i bobana" songs
>>1161746
>Total, I'd have €600 monthly, clearly not enough to survive each month.
Congratulations on being retarded I guess, you can live just fine with $200-300 if you have paid dorm/other accomodations.
>>1162663
Well ok if you say it's doable, works for me honestly. Reason I thought that amount wouldn't be enough is cuz on a lot of Viennese uni sites they recommend €800-1000 per month, but I guess they took into account fucking around and spe nding the money on unnecessary crap.
>>1162624
Ahaha wow, good to know where I'll go if everything else fails!
"Croatian nationals still need a work permit for gainful employment due to transitional arrangements that run until 2020. If you carry out a job that is not subject to the regulations of the Austrian Act Governing the Employment of Foreign Nationals, you don't need a work permit.
Activities which are not subject to the regulations of the Austrian Act Governing the Employment of Foreign Nationals are: activities in the framework of exchange or research programmes of the European Union or activities in academic teaching and research."
https://www.oead.at/welcome_to_austria/legal_practical_issues/working/EN/
So, get a job at your uni and you can earn more without permission. After 2020 there are no limits for Croatia. Another option is to work at home in Croatia. Or in some other EU country like e.g Germany during semester break.
>>1162756
Thanks mate, but unfortunately the university I'm hopefully going to doesn't offer jobs to the students. I just messaged an Austrian catering company that's been recommended to me by some guy online, saying that they always employ new students. I will see how this goes, if there's a chance of them applying for a work permit for me. That would be a blast.
Do you want to study in Austria for one semester or for your whole Bachelor/Master?
If you just want to spend one semester there: I do not know if it is the same in Austria as it is in Germany but summer semester usually starts around April and end in September/October here. That leaves you with half a year now where you can earn money. Also, I do not know how much you can earn in Croatia, especially during winter without tourists, but let's say you could save up to 200€ per month. This leaves you with ~1000 in total. Don't you have any money saved?
You will never be able to study engineering, stay in the top 1% and receive scholarships while working 20hrs per week. Again, if it is comparable to Germany, you will have to do multiple Hausübungen each week during the semester. Otherwise you will not be allowed to partake in the finals. It is naive to think that you will ace mathematics, physics, chemistry, and probably some programming courses. If you happen to have enough free time to work, that's great. But do not take it for granted.
A friend of mine worked for multiple years to save money for his studies. Maybe this is an option for you?
>>1162948
>I do not know if it is the same in Austria as it is in Germany but summer semester usually starts around April and end in September/October here.
It's March-June and October-January in Austria.
>>1162948
I am not allowed to even work 20 hours anyway. Only 10. Also, I was planning to move there forever, or at least, for a very long time. So yeah, I planned to do the whole degree there. I have no money saved, as I'm not allowed to work in Croatia without the status of a student. I wasn't planning on both scholarships and work. I believe the university I planned for doesn't even offer them, so I would only have to try to be decent at school and work my weekly 10 hours.
slo here
Just came here to say I like your attitude and wish you the best.
>>1163617
Hvala!
The minimum is 400€ actually (it was 350 a couple years ago)
Austria and Germany are unfortunately one of the few countries that use the possibility of limiting their labor market for 7 years for new EU members from the east.
That said, Vienna is certainly livable on 600-700€. Hofer and Lidl (supermarkets) are your friends, go to clubs with no entry (e.g. Loco, Ride club, Bars around Schwedenplatz).
>>1163789
>>That said, Vienna is certainly livable on 600-700€.
Then why doesn't everyone live there? I need almost twice as much in Slovenia, I doubt a country that's ten times better is two times cheaper.
>>1163797
1400 euros in Slovenia? I hope you're kidding. You can live on 1000 euros a month in Norway, possibly the most expensive country in Europe.
>>1163798
I sincerely doubt it, except if by living you mean "dig a hole in the ground and sleep in it".
I'm serious - if it's so cheap, why isn't everyone from shit countries doing it? They can just live in a good country for a few years until they get NEETbux and live off NEETbux forever.
How come only ISIS is smart enough to do it?
>>1163797
shared flat 250€/month
Transportation: 15-20€/month (for students) otherwise 30€
Phone+internet 20-30€/month
Leaves you with 300-400 € for food and other things. It's not a lot, but if you cook cheaply and don't spend 50€ on booze every weekend
OP here, I think my main concern right now is actually getting employed... as mentioned above, there are special conditions in place for Croatians in Austria, and we need a new working permit for every single job we apply to. After a year has passed, then the labour market opens up just like for the regular folks.
Any idea how I'd go about getting an Austrian to give me a job, taking into consideration they have to wait 2 weeks from the Austrian Ministry of Labour or whatever to give out a working permit? Is this actually doable, or am I starring for a gangfuck considering that literally ANY other student from Europe can just show up without the working permit and get a job instead of me?
zašto avstrija če nemaš kapitala?
>>1164455
Imao bih kad bi me zaposlili u Austriji
>>1161854
600€ should be fine if you're not planning on partying/shopping excessively.
I live in a dorm in the 9th district for 380€/month and need about 170€ for food, clothing, drinks, etc.
>>1163798
these guys are all full of shit. For 700 euros (let's say, 7000 kroner) you can get a nice 2-bedroom apartment in Norway (not Oslo though). For 500 euros you can find a very decent room in a shared flat. Food is expensive here, but if you're not an idiot and you budget you can easily make it with 300/400 euros for food. Transport is expensive, but just get a bike, nigger. Alcohol is super expensive, good reason to cut back on it.
It's like these people cannot function without upgrading their iPhones every other month. No wonder they need 1400 euros in fucking Slovenia.
>>1164998
>in fucking Slovenia
be nice
>>1164999
hey, I love Slovenia. Lubljana is a great city, Bled is amazing, your countryside is so beautiful, Maribor was a bit dull but still nice. But there's no way you need that much money for that country.
I still haven't been to your seaside, but I hear the cities there are super comfy. Will try to get there in 2017.
>>1165001
>Slovenia
>seaside
>>1165033
There's a tiny bit, maybe ten miles, southwest of Trieste. Izola looks nice, but I haven't been there either.
>>1165044
Piran is pretty cool too.
So, any more job ideas regarding OP?