Berlin

Hey useful thread for me as well.

Solo travelling to Berlin for 4 days, I'm very much into history and art (not modern). Any ideas?

>>1147987
>>1148392
hello friends,
here's a short list on where to go:
kreuzberg (pretty fucking cool)
friedrichshain (lots of hipsters, lots of techno, berghain)
neukölln (hippest and grittiest place around with cool bars)

>>1148406
Hahahahahahahahahaha what?

>kreuzberg (pretty fucking cool)
Disgusting neighborhood full of hippies, africans, and criminal Arabs ready to rob you
>friedrichshain (lots of hipsters, lots of techno, berghain)
Disgusting hippy neighborhood full of anarchists pissing and shitting on the sidewalks with antifa graffiti and stickers on everything
>neukölln (hippest and grittiest place around with cool bars)
Absolutely disgusting immigrant shithole neighborhood with arabic signs everywhere. No german anywhere. I live here unfortunately. Look out for the shariah patrols

You literally picked the 3 trashiest, worst neighborhoods in all of Berlin (aside from Marzahn but that's a different level of bad)

>>1148406
this (ignore this AfD boi >>1148420)

The east is cool, the west is like every other big city imo.

>>1148392
Check out the Museuminsel in Mitte.

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>>1148427
You don't have to be an AfD fuccboi to realize what these pieces of human filth are doing to the city. It's gone completely to hell the last 5 years.

Only hippie special snowflakes who claim that society doesn't get them thinks the east is cool. Do you think squatters and Antifa are cool? Everyone within 1km of Görlitzer Park is a druggie tweek who switches between "artist" and "muscisian" as their profession even though they've been on Hartz IV for years. Any normal, sane person thinks that the east is a disgusting cesspool of pure degeneracy. And I'm not even German.

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Got back less than a week ago.

I thought the east could be cool aswell until I visited and found out how horrible and run down it all looks. I already come from a post-soviet country so I don't need to see more of that shit.

Ended up drinking all week long with a group of friends instead. It was fun to taste all the different german beers. Cheap aswell.

If you're interested in palaces and large gardens, you can visit Potsdam for only 3.30€.
When going with a group I'd recommend getting the group ticket for transport, which lasts all day. The tickets are good because they can be used pretty much anywhere but they can rack up quite an amount with 2.70€ buying you 2 hours with no returns.
Wouldn't recommend not getting a ticket since the dudes they hire to check you can pop out anywhere unannounced and are gonna get 65€ per face, guaranteed, even tourists.
Learned that first hand myself. But play with fire, get burned, you know?

In short I don't know what to recommend. It's nice to just have a beer next to something cool like the Berlin Cathedral. The Reichstag is a bitch to get into, I was refused 2 times in the online registration form because large groups of turks and chinks were constantly pouring in.

In terms of museums, the Science Museum got the most interest out of me.
The Zoo was pretty boring.
The Brandenburg Gate was smaller than the pictures.

That's kinda it.

Anything about Medieval history?

>>1148568
Good luck finding anything older than 1945 in Germany, especially Berlin. Your best bet would be small, irrelevant towns that weren't important enough to bomb.

>>1148572
>Good luck finding anything older than 1945 in Germany
*Germany north of the Main

>>1148568
Well there is the museum of German history in Berlin that has a section about medival times.
If you want to see castles you're in the wrong part of Germany.
Berlin only has lots of WW2 and Cold war sites to see.
Unrelated, the museum of medical history is quite fun. http://www.bmm-charite.de/en/museum/our-museum.html

>>1148392
Don't mention the war

>>1148432
you seem upset.

>>1148568
especially Berlin's historic center was destroyed and not rebuild by the GDR because they wanted to construct some new socialist style of city like Stalin did with Moscow. Therfore the Karl-Marx-Alle was build but the plan didn't work out.
If you are into historical buildings you could to a day travel to Dresden by bus. For medieval architecture Rothenburg ob der Tauber in Bavaria is popular but that is far away. You could also visit Potsdam with the S7

>>1148432
>Kreuzberg
>Neuköln
>East

True Berliner here folks.

And yeah, just gonna take your bait and tell you thatI for one usually find squatters and Antifa pretty chill.

Görlitzer Park, Kottbusser Tor and Rigaer Straße.

Ok thanks lads.

Any place to pick up women? Preferably the non-paying kind. I heard Berlin is pretty sex-friendly city.

>>1149575
Kurfürstenstraße

>>1149575

>>1149582 is the hookers zone. Try Süß war gestern or rosies (if you don´t like electronic music) in Friedrichshain or Club der visionäre in Kreuzberg. Don´t be fucking annoying though. Those are Clubs suited for people not familiar with the scene.

>no rimming or any of that stuff
>no unsolicited touching or close dancing
>bugger off if they are not interested
>generally don´t try to forcechange signs of disintrest into a yes, if they are interested they will show you that

The club scene is very sex friendly indeed, but that is because in such venues there is a code of conduct based on mutual respect. If you do not obide you´ll ruin it for everyone and there is also a pretty high probability you´ll get kicked out and /or kicked in the balls.

Also, as a generall advice when clubbing: don´t get drunk and don´t dress up, you won´t get in that way. Going alone is best if you wan´t to hook up, nobody cares about that here.

>>1149719
>is the hookers zone
I was being sarcastic but I should have know that I was dealing with Germans...

You will catch AIDS, Herpes, HPV, syphillis, gonorrhea, the whole book if you fucking anything within 1km of Kurfürstenstraße and then get beat up by its pimp directly after. I feel spooked just walking down the street. You can see the pimps sitting in shitty BMWs with Bulgarian license plates and also peeping from the windows above the streets. All of them have bruises and black eyes too. I kid you not but I'm pretty sure I definitely saw an underage street walker there before, she had to be at most 16 years old and of course with a black eye.

>>1149728
>All of them have bruises and black eyes too.

Hot

>I kid you not but I'm pretty sure I definitely saw an underage street walker there before

Yuck, why can't crime be the kind I like and not the kind I don't

>>1149728
I konw youwhere not serious friend, but he probably didn´t. :^)

And Sarcasm is probably the only sort of humour Germans DO understand.

suicide circus is the most amazing club i have ever been to. there are a bunch of amazing clubs in that part of east berlin though. There are orgy clubs, and there's this one club that is super hard to get into where you party for 3 days straight. You have to be super well dressed in all black dress clothes though with attractive women all with the vibe they want

>>1149752
Are you from spain?

>>1148572
>ignoramud detected
There are plenty of medieval buildings and streets in Germany, but yes they tend to be in small(er) towns.

>>1149899
isn't that what he said though? or were you just looking for an excuse to start raving about shitskins again?

>>1149740
>Germans
>sarcasm
Nigger, what the fuck are you on? I've been in D-land for 6 years and by and large Germans do NOT do sarcasm. They can get it, sometimes, but often they will just be confused that you said something which must be untrue. Does. Not. Compute.

>>1149900
I just joined this thread, so I'm not sure what you're being salty about. Maybe chill out, m8

>>1149899
Literally what I said.

>>1149905
Not literally. You said it a lot edgier. You can find old (actual medieval pre-1400s is pretty rare anywhere) shit even in towns that were bombed.

>>1149719
Damn, that sounds like fun.

I'm a bit of an aspie so I'll probably be afraid to go there alone though.

>>1149928
>you said it a lot edgier
Are you actually serious or are you just pretending to be a German who takes everything too seriously and doesn't grasp humor

is prenzlauer berg cool? going to a gig in barghain in october and staying in generator there

>>1151319
Prenzlauer Berg is rather Hip and vibrant for Most plaves, but by Berlin Standards its qite Square. Sorry for sounding dickish, but thats Just how it is.

>>1152244
can you rec any places that meet berlin standards?

>>1152315
what are you looking for?

>>1151319
>>1152244
>>1152315
>>1152556
who the fuck cares? Tell me the 'coolest' spot and I'd go in the other direction. Berlin is absolutely filled to the rafters with arrogant narcissistic peacock posers and hipsters it isn't even funny. The pretension is off the charts. What the fuck do you get out of it really? You think you're infected with the 'cool' virus because you went to the same trashy looking bar as some artsy-fartsy unbearable cunts? The day there's a news story about a fire in some shitty hipster bar that's killed a couple dozen bearded faggots or their twiggy tweaking bitches, I will smile.

>>1152563
you seem quite upset for someone who doesn´t care. Chill out, it´s just fashion choices.

>>1152563

Most Germans come across as autistic, so at least leave them their exclusive hug boxes that you aren't cool enough by their own arbitrary autismal standards to get into.

I just want to mention that I think Germans are pretty good tourists, even when they can't speak the local language. I never had a German yell at me for no reason while I experience the opposite with Italian tourists.

>>1152732
>I never had a German yell at me for no reason
heh, try coming HERE and actually living as a regular person.

is tempelhof airport cool?

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>>1152882
Literally a big open field in the middle of the city wasting potential. There's nothing to it. Oh and the old terminal houses refugees now and it's all gated off from the public.

>>1152886
So you can't enter it at all?

>>1152887
You can enter a field. There's nothing particularly amazing about it. It's just a plain big open space in Berlin, which is useful for maybe flying kites or RC planes and shit. That's it. Hipsters picnic there, too.

>>1147987

>So i'm going on vacation to Berlin tomorrow, does anyone know some good spots there?

I'm going on vacation to Berlin tomorrow, does anyone know some good spots there?

fixed that for you ya girly millenial douche

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>>1148432
>Stiegl

>>1149901
>They can get it, sometimes, but often they will just be confused that you said something which must be untrue.

Germans acting straight on stupid jokes is them being sarcastic.

>>1153122
>sarcastic

you meant to say autistic didn't you

>>1153125
Yes, Anon. An entire nation has a neurological disorder.

>>1153122
No. Only sometimes, when their 'OK, it is funny time now for the next 60 minutes' humour-processing algorithms have been activated.

Germans acting straight on stupid jokes is them trying to understand the logic and then failing, because humour has intentionally faulty logic. That's what makes us laugh, basically.

I'm not saying Germans don't have humour or don't tell jokes. They obviously do, even if it is still (in my bilingual opinion) inferior to other humours. This is where it gets pretty subjective, because languages are integral to humour, so you need to understand two languages very well to fairly compare their humours. A lot of English humour plays off of double entendres or intentional confusions (the 'punch line' saved for the end which reveals a surprise perspective), but this sort of humour is harder to do in German simply because German grammar gives more info in word endings or specific articles (i.e. the cases), so you can't 'hide' punch lines in the same way. English also has thousands of words with 2 or 3 or more meanings, but German tends to use longer compound words, so one word = one meaning is a much more common.

But still, sarcasm and dry wit are generally not German specialties. They can be trained to 'get it', but it can take specific 'training' and explanations.

Germans are better at ironic overstatements, and German satire is OK (although German late night TV satire is utter dogshit).

>>1153128
"Autism" the way 4chan uses it has no meaning anymore. I think you know what anon meant.

>>1147987
olympic stadium is a must
tv and cinema museum is a must
jewish museum is v good
hamburger bahnhof is excellent if youre into modern art
book a visit to the reichstag dome
pergamon is good if you like ancient history
checkpoint charlie is dull
topography of terror is good but depressing

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>>1152887
You can enter the field on walk on the rotting runways but it's literally no different that any other grass field.

The buildings and former terminal are all closed to the public, unless you happen to be Muslim and in Germany illegally then you can enter them :^)

I however happened to be on the very last tour of the old terminal and underground bunkers back in 2008 before the tour company closed down.

>>1148420
>. Look out for the shariah patrols
Seriously? I heard about the UK / Sweden. Ok, it's not surprising though

Berlin fucking sucks, dirty shithole ... dont do it mang.

I figure here is a good place to post this: I have seen the vicious insults that similar questions receive, but I will risk it. I am a writer and I am currently working on my fourth novel, which I believe will be the culmination of all that I've come to understand until now. I have seen in the past that the best periods of productivity are when I am surrounded by creative, at least relatively intelligent people. From what I've gained from browsing this board and other sites, Berlin has attracted such people and for this, and because I can get by with English, I am thinking of spending a few months there while I complete my work.

My question is simple: am I harboring a huge misconception? I would hate to get there and find myself surrounded by pretentious hipsters (I could stay here if that's what I wanted) instead of the artists I hope to find. I only have around a thousand dollars saved up so I would be willing to work if need be, but that also means I would need to live frugally; any advice for this pertaining to Berlin specifically?

I have also been wondering about the busker scene over there. I have been playing accordion for a few years and would love to join a group of musicians with a similar taste in music (folk, punk, blues). Can I expect to find such musicians?

Again, I understand that this is receptive to a lot of unwarranted anger and I apologize if this upsets anyone. I am serious about doing this and know that enough of you are knowledgeable and helpful to believe that I'm not completely wasting my time with this post. I am planning to leave in the middle of September.

>>1153531
>would hate to get there and find myself surrounded by pretentious hipsters

i think you'd feel right at home

>>1153531
I dont know, you say you dont want to be around hipsters and then you go on how you want to live a bohemian lifestyle with like-minded individuals .... it really depens what you are looking for as a writer ... what do you want to write about? turbulent drug-fueled partyadventures in one of europes "hippest" cities or the next big adventure/fantasy novel etc.... the inspiration you´ll get there will go in a specific direction and will influence you hard or you might like it and roll with it.

Id say go for it, but try to stay out of drugs :)

>>1153533
>>1153534
I should not have been so specific: I do not mind hipsters at all and enough people have called me one that the title means nothing to me. What repulses me is a pretentious individual, regardless of what sort of life they live. In my work, no less than in my very life I strive for authenticity and so naturally, the pretentious offer nothing to me.

What I am looking for is a community of individuals who are at least somewhat aware of the potential of man; people who individuate themselves and who value ideals as much as reality, if not more. I already have the foundation of my novel completed and it has nothing to do with drugs or parties, but being around creative people with interesting lives and stories to share has always served to inspire productivity in me. I want to be around people who would abandon all comforts and luxuries in the world if only it meant their art benefits from doing so. I'm afraid this might be vague but I hope it might give you a better idea of what I am looking for.

>>1153540
My experience with Berlin hipsters was ... i have no couch and TV but a 1500 Euro MacBook and im stonned 24/7 of daddys money weed if thats authenticity for you than go for it.

Go hike in Lappland 400km without civilization, there you will find some autheticity and authetic people

>>1153541
I cannot imagine that anything could disappoint me so much as reading your experience did. You described what I could find here, what I found where I went to college, and what I fear would disillusion me if I were to find in Berlin. Needless to say, your description was not of the authentic artist I long to find. I appreciate your advice to go hiking, but such a physically tasking endeavor would impose on productivity as opposed to motivate it. However it is something I will keep in mind and perhaps once I am done with this, I will reconsider it. Until then, I can only hope that your experience does not represent the majority.

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>>1153540
>What I am looking for is a community of individuals who are at least somewhat aware of the potential of man; people who individuate themselves and who value ideals as much as reality, if not more. I already have the foundation of my novel completed and it has nothing to do with drugs or parties, but being around creative people with interesting lives and stories to share has always served to inspire productivity in me. I want to be around people who would abandon all comforts and luxuries in the world if only it meant their art benefits from doing so. I'm afraid this might be vague but I hope it might give you a better idea of what I am looking for.

I don't think you can find that anywhere.

>>1153548
>I appreciate your advice to go hiking, but such a physically tasking endeavor would impose on productivity as opposed to motivate it.
Depends how much you hike, if you go for 10km daily, you´ll get enough inspiration, authenticity, and adventures. I always write a diary when im hiking, always read, feels very good especially if its about nature (like i was reading LOTR)

... i also did some backpacking/hitchhiking through spain ... in rural areas you might find some authetic lifestyle ... but nothing really is authetic anymore in modern europe mang, civilization ruined everything, either hide in nature or go to a 3rd world country

>>1153551
If I believed this, I would likely commit suicide.

>>1153554
You are right in that it depends entirely on the work that is being written. I did a lot of writing while backpacking in the past, but it was all, to some extent, relevant. What I am working on now is a sort of introspective piece that can benefit little from the inspiration provided by nature. I have lived in 3rd world countries and seen authentic lifestyles (one could say that in such places, ignorance and poverty render authenticity a necessity and thus it ceases to become a virtue as it is in those who choose to be authentic) but it is more the authentic artist I am interested in since my work has much to do with this.

A sort of counter-culture certainly exists but I suppose it is up to the individual to determine if the people making it up are sincere or 'posers'. But a lot of it also has to do with practical matters: as I mentioned above, I have little saved up and need a place where a thousand dollars can go a long way while still offering me diversity in people who can speak English. Again, thank you for your thoughts.

>>1153531
>relatively intelligent people
>Berlin
I have bad news for you, son...

Berlin is fully half pretentious hipsters. Artists? Any artist who wasn't concerned with their wouldn't be heading to Berlin, since there are no fucking jobs there.

>only $1000
lol, sorry m8, but I think you should forget it.

>>1153548
Is it possible for you to not sound like a totally pretentious wank stain? If you write your novels like you write here, then it's pretty obvious you fucking suck. Please stop.

>>1153938
I'm sure many people have much less than a thousand over there and are able to sustain themselves. It seems to me that you are entirely clueless, no offense, if you think that job opportunities are the deciding factor for any artist who seeks to move. However I thank you for your input.

I watched this yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UjNCKNKtgM

And loved the people shown and interviewed. Are they pretentious according to your standards?


>>1153943
You contributed nothing and only revealed your own ignorance in believing that one should stop creating simply because they 'fucking suck.' I think you might have strayed a little too far from /pol/ or some other board that might appreciate your juvenile vulgarity.

I normally hate touristy things but the berlin wall tour was pretty cool, got to check out WW2 underground bunkers as well. If you're into nightlife tresor is pretty cool.

As some of the posters said Ive found most people to not be the friendliest compared to other places in Europe but I made friends when I was there even though I'm an awkward fuck. Berlin was the only place where someone tried to rape my friend on the way to her hostel so theres that too, never had a problem anywhere else but of course thats in isolated incident.

>>1153995
I live in Germany and have been to Berlin literally countless times, and know many people living there (including 'artists'). I visit a couple times a year or so, though I have never felt like I'd want to live there.

The difference is that they can 'sustain' themselves because they are citizens and get welfare, while living 6 to a flat in a dilapidated building. Yes, people move to Berlin because they think it is a 'creative' centre. However, you need people willing to pay you for your work to have work, and in Berlin, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an underemployed 'artist'. The market is saturated. There is a cohort of wealthier gentrifiers and local richfags, but Berlin has never been known for its wealthiness. You'll be much more productive heading for at least a mid-size city with a good economy.

As for the video, these are the kind of cringy dime-a-dozen foreign wash-up idiots treating Berlin like a playground that I promise you most locals are sick of.

>you hurt my fee-fees, go back to /pol/!!
Both posts are me. /trv/ has been my home board since 2008, and I've never been a /pol/fag. Wrap your cashmere scarf around and hang yourself from the nearest tree.

Your writing style still sucks. Do you ever get to the fucking point? Is it possible for you to not sound like a Moleskine-scribbling cunt who's trying too hard? [spolier] I actually work in a publishing company, and I can say with confidence that any manuscript you sent us would be immediately rejected [/spoiler]

>>1154020
I feel myself responding to two different posts at once, but it is an interesting challenge. I appreciate your comment regarding the buskers in the video as it reveals what I suspected from your initial comment, that you are simply a bitter, judgmental man. I did not cringe once watching that video; what about individuals who live according to their passions despite the hardship involved induces cringe?

Anyway I also appreciate the idea you probably inadvertently gave of living 6 to a flat in a dilapidated building. I am serious in saying that this interests me and if you are able, I would like to know more about how to find such a living arrangement (can I prepare it before traveling and how much would I be paying?) but although I have no set limit to stay in the city, I am going with the intention of finishing a piece I am working on that would benefit from my exposure to such people as I expect to find. I can make ends meet for a few months without finding a job there.

Your comments about my writing are nothing I haven't read before, but it does no more to me than the praise I have received from those who have read my works. I've been rejected and accepted for publication so I'm afraid I have to disappoint you in saying that your immediate rejection would be of little consequence. The chances that you actually work for a publishing company are comical but I choose to believe you because I am not ready to suffer the pity I would have to feel for you if I believed you went so far just to discourage some guy on some site.

>>1154042
>what induces cringe?
The passé nature of it all. Berliners are a pretty jaded bunch. Notice how many locals (besides police) those busker scum interact with? Few to none. If you want to a hipster circle jerk with other Brits, Spaniards or Americans, just make a craigslist post at home.

>even the momentary idea of getting something in Berlin without being present and looking for weeks
lol

Seriously, you're a terrible writer. You are not more expressive or intelligent because you beat around the bush and plant flowers while trying to get to your point. How close to being a wizard are you now? I work at a specialized scientific publisher, to be fair. I'd show you my work badge, but yea, no. I've worked at a more 'traditional' literature-slanted publisher too, but the money's much shittier.

>>1154047
I'll admit that you make a good point about the lack of interaction between the buskers and Berliners, but the intention of the video has to be taken into consideration. You don't see them talking to Berliners because it wouldn't serve for the purpose of revealing what the life is like; you do notice that plenty of locals sit with smiles on their faces and listen to the music though.

I suppose there's no point in doing so, but if it's gone this far I think I might as well say that you cannot be serious to believe that my writing style is the same for quick responses and the creation of fiction. Since you could do no more than work as a bystander to creation, I guess you have to be told that different works require different voices. I think what you see here is good enough for this site; I have made myself and what I want apparent and I did not strive for more.

But all that aside, I think you should go interact with some of them, if you are not too far detached in your self-imposed delusion of superiority. You call them scum without any reason besides your own disgusting prejudices; I am almost certain that they would not be so cruel.

>>1154057
>you do notice that plenty of locals sit with smiles on their faces and listen to the music though.

kek. Those are probably tourists themselves.

I'm a Berliner and for the love of God don't pester me with your shitty street """"music"""". I never asked for it. It's like shoving your dick in random people's faces indiscriminately, and personally I'd hesitate to call that art.
Buskers are nothing more than particularly annoying beggars.

>>1154057
>for quick responses
Yes, see, this is your quick response 'prose'. And it's terrible. The thought of your fully fleshed out 'masterpieces' makes me want to gauge my eyes out, or more preferably just break your fingers.

I've kept a blog for years, worked in journalism (a newspaper) for 2 years and wrote stories (money was shit, industry was shrinking, so I pulled the cord on that about 8 years ago already). I do quite a bit of scientific writing now. That's not really the point though, the point is that you do not exude 'read me'.

>>1154068
>personally I'd hesitate to call that art
I would never call it art and I hesitate it to call it music for to do so would be to place it along the works of the masters who gained immortality through their music. However I love them for finding the courage to do what they are passionate about. Whether they are artists or good musicians or not is irrelevant to me; I am just pleased to see people who are not miserable with their lives.

>>1154075
>8 years ago already
If you have been in the industry for this long then I can only respect you. I have not been writing for half that time. I did not disagree with your opinion toward my writing and I am entirely receptive to the likelihood that I suck, but as I mentioned above, receiving praise and acceptances for publication serve to disparage the effect of insults and the wish to break my fingers.

I am now editing a piece I wrote a year ago and see so much to change that I can barely go through a paragraph without rewriting so I think in time, improvement will come. But it seems inappropriate to go on about my writing on this thread dedicated to Berlin.

If nothing comes up, I will likely go there and if I find you are right, I will leave, or else I will stay. Thanks for your input.

>>1148420
hey rere, you have to deal with hippies and hobos if you want to see cool parts of cities. not news

>>1154068
>be me, american in Berlin
>drunk with friends
>singing "country roads west Virginia" and joking about the lyrics with my friends
>buy beer and head to a park
>mfw a busker in the park is shittily playing "country roads west virginia" on a shitty amplifier

>>1147987
For gore in jars this place.
http://www.bmm-charite.de