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>>1108380
Portugal is a fantastic place to spend a week but get the fuck away from the beaches full of package holiday English chavs and go north. There's lots to see and do in Lisbon; it's the most enjoyable city in Europe I have visited just to walk around in. Porto is very good too with a really nice music scene and great bars. If you are interested in history and culture you can spend a day in Guimaraes or Braga, too, and there is nice countryside and wine regions in the north, too. My favourite place in Portugal though is the town of Tomar. It's about 90 minutes north on the bus from Lisbon and it has an old crusader castle that was subsequently built on for centuries. It's a beautiful city for a day trip.

>>1109658
Not the OP but I'm planning on studying in Portugual for a semester. Should I pick Lisbon or Porto? I heard that Lisbon is pretty expensive and I would like to travel through Europe, but then again I'm worried that I would have a much better time in Lisbon than in Porto because there are more people and more things to see and do.

>>1106214
Sulyukta sucks
Lake Issyk is beautiful.

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What's up, OP? I taught English in Almaty for a year and might be able to answer some of your questions. Cultures are very similar and desu you couldn't even tell you were in a different country except for the landscapes. Congrats on this adventure you're about to set on, you chose a very RealTraveler™ destination.

>visiting nomads at the countryside
There aren't many nomads these days as most people live in cities. There's probably more nomads still living in Kyrgyzstan than Kazakhstan due to economic hardship. You can hop on a tour and see some nature and have lunch in a yurt, but that's not the real thing and will most likely be filled with old Russians. You could try hitchhiking, biking, hiking or however you get around to the countryside and try to meet some.

>climb a mountain( an easy one, since my physical condition is pretty weak)

Ala Archa is the one closest to Bishkek. Get a mangal and make some shashlyk with your colleagues.

>find historical places

>Kyrgyzstan
>Historical places
Chose one, anon.
If you want rich history then I recommend popping over to Uzbekistan, perhaps on a trip around the Stans once your contract is up?

>visit cool natural places, such as canyons, valleys, etc.
Literally anywhere in the country. Just go. Nothing stopping you from climbing up a mountain or taking your tent to the lake and camping there. I hear good things about the south west region and issyk kul is the popular destination for tourists. If you enter Uzbekistan or Tajikistan overland, you'll probably stumble upon lots of beautiful places. Just don't wander too close to the borders in the mountains on your own and you'll be good. There's lots of beauty in southern Kazakhstan that can be reached easily from Bishkek like pic related. Check out Charyn Canyon.

-try the weed/hash there
Most of the shit in Kazakhstan came from Chu. P good, definitely not WMD BLOW YOUR FUCKING BRAINS OUT good, but it kept me level and a few times I accidentally taught stoned.

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>>1106214
>-visiting nomads at the countryside

real nomads are mostly just in the south, not many left. During summer holidays there are many people living around the Issykul and have something like a restaurant in their jurta

>-climb a mountain( an easy one, since my physical condition is pretty weak)
the whole country is just mountains
>-find historical places

nomads dont leave anything. Close to Bishkek there is the 'ancient' Burana Tower in the middle of nowhere. But no local knew this tower during soviet times. There are rumors that i was build in 90's to get unesco shekels


>-visit cool natural places, such as canyons, valleys, etc.

litarlly everywhere outside of bishkek
tipp: Ala Kul


>-try the weed/hash there

it grows there like.... weed... you can see it sometimes on the side of the road growing outside of Bishkek
a local told me that its hard to get weed and they usually smoke hash.
And if the police catches them they beat the shit out of them... dont know what they would do with foreigner


Some more tips:
>car
You probably gonna need a car for this time if you want to go outside of Bishkek. Most used cars are from japan and Right hand drive. And they drive on the right side like in europe/america. So its twisted but u will familiaris fast.
during night oncoming traffic will blind you because many cars are from japan and rhd, it looks like they have full beam on
look out for open gully covers while driving
look out for huge potholes while driving
avoid stepping on any kind of covers while walking in the city, they are often just for decoration.


>food
is awesome and cheap. Try manti, shashlik, lagman and plow (usually just with reservation because plow doesnt tasteso good anymore if its warmed up). with 5 $ per person you can eat like a king in most restaurants
eat watermelons and honeymelons
watermelons cost 1 € for 15-20 kg during main season in late august/early september

If you hit Missouri stop in St. Louis.
Really good food and many micro/craft breweries as well as AB.
Local food
Stl style pizza
Toasted raviolis
Pork steak.
I have traveled a lot throughout America and say stl food if you eat at the right spots is on top tier list.

Which part of Michigan are you driving through

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>>1105953
it's not necessarily famous, but if you like grilled cheese hit up Cheesie's while you're in Chicago.

The best grilled cheese I've ever had and one of the best sandwiches I've ever had. They have 2 or 3 locations around Chicago as well as a food truck. If you go on a Sunday morning from 11-2 you can get a sandwich and unlimited domestic beer/bloody mary's/mimosas for $25, if you're into that.

Pasport and credit cards are the REAL essentiials. All the rest I can buy. I never overpack. Just logic thinking.

do you guys carry one of those string wallets around your neck for passport? I'm going to a place where I need my passport 24/7 for the first time and I have no idea how to carry it.
/noobshit

>>1104793
Absolutely not. Never ever use those.

a) they're useless if you need to get your shit out quickly

b) they're supposed to fool muggers, but literally every mugger in the world knows about them

c) there are way better ways to carry your essentials that you want to protect like a concealable pocket along your thigh under your pants.

>>1111670
Based OP. i would also like to know

>>1111670
balear islands in spain are good, just don't go to ibiza, that's the expensive one
mallorca is cool and peaceful
alternatively jump the ocean come to mexico and get lost in chiapas, a friend of mine runs a hostel there and tell me it's not that dangerous
personally, i would prefer mallorca

>>1111670
If you don't mind cold weather, you could always try somewhere in Canada or the northern parts of Scandinavia (though these might exceed your budget).

>>1111352
Sure thing man, Oktoberfest in Berlin is THE BEST!

it's just a generic picture from the country ... like I said will be there during the summer anyway, which should be good in terms of weather/daylight further north from Germany.

>>1111352
Just be aware of the several "no-go" areas in berlin. Don't take any trains at night and if you're a woman don't cloth yourself too smexy.

>>1111313

>how do people go backpacking

Not to be a dick, but is this a trick question? The "how" is pretty easily - not to mention obviously - answered. You buy a plane ticket, pack a bag, set off, and go around from city to city or locality to locality. You put in as much planning as you do or don't want to.

>>1111324
i think what he means is how do people go backpacking as a regular lifestyle, aka keep or find new jobs easily while affording and having the time to travel the world.

and with that I am also curious.

>>1111325
Be from a country where taking vacation is not seem as a bad thing helps a lot.
In other words, ditch US of fucking A, go to Europe or Australia or any other country where you can take 1 month off and enjoy the word instead of enjoying your office.
Or have a job that you can do remotely.

>>1111081
Squad be lookin fresh

Boko Haram is in northeast Nigeria and they don't dish out tourist visas. Ghana is safe as well as Tanzania. South Africa you have to watch yourself in the big cities.

>>1111081

Did you get that image from /b/ a year or more ago? If yes I reckon that was my semi-OC from a YLYL thread... Classic picture

>>1110851
>And what can you tell me about either place? Which neighborhoods are nice, how much and what kind of work is around if you know, etc.
Hello from San Francisco. I hope you know already that we are now the single most expensive rental market in the United States--a one bedroom in my pretty nice neighborhood goes for more than $3000/mo now, which seems completely mentally ill to me, and it's getting worse by the hour. And the market is quite competitive--you will be applying to any apartment you look at at the same time as 400 tech bros with six-figure salaries, and they're probably going to be ahead of you in line.

If you're interested in artsy/bohemian life, there are still pockets of interest in the Lower Haight (one of this town's few remaining economically and otherwise diverse neighborhoods, where some freaks with rent control can still afford to live), the Mission (but this is probably the most vicious frontline of local gentrification--prices are going through the roof and dull wealthy people are increasing their dominance of the neighborhood by the hour), Potrero Hill, and Dogpatch. The Western Addition has some pockets that remain relatively affordable but parts are dangerous ghettoes. The Tenderloin is San Francisco's most famous bad neighborhood, but it's very central, not as expensive as the rest of the city, and very interesting. It's also less dangerous than its reputation--it's mostly just depressing. You will meet a lot of junkies, dealers, and some of SF's lowest-budget hookers, and you will step over homeless people on every block, but you probably won't get shot. There are also a bunch of good low-end restaurants and a rising number of cool bars. More below...

The areas waaaay out West, by the ocean (Ocean Beach, Outer Sunset, Outer Richmond) tend to be a bit less expensive than more central hoods, and are generally not at all dangerous, but they're cold and foggy, and it will take you 45+ minutes on the bus to get downtown.

>>1110879
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>>1110879
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Frankly, if your interests are mostly creative, you will probably wind up doing what most of our creative/artsy/freaky types have done over the past decade and end up in Oakland. Oakland has a lot to recommend it--better weather than SF, great restaurants, slightly lower prices (but this is changing fast). Culturally, it's on the upswing, rather than SF, which is getting more and more sterile. And the good neighborhoods are really nice--at least as nice as any in San Francisco.

But the neighborhoods that are NOT good can (but are not guaranteed to) be very dangerous. Walk around any apartment you're thinking of taking both by day and by night. If you don't feel safe, you're not. Temescal is sort of Oakland's Mission district--was once working class Latino, got invaded in the 90s by hipsters who are now gradually getting priced out by yuppies and tech douchebags.

White folks are now moving into historically black Oakland neighborhoods including Longfellow (just across the highway/BART tracks from Temescal) and even West Oakland, but I don't know that they should. These are not neighborhoods where most people want to walk around at night, and won't be for another 20 years or more. And Oakland is in general less of a transit-accessible place than SF, where a car is not necessary for most people. The East Bay bus system is bad, the city's too spread out to be very walkable between neighborhoods (although many are walkable within themselves), and BART's expensive and more designed for commuting rather than local transport.

Jobwise, the local market is OK if you're educated and have specific skills, especially but not only related to technology---SF unemployment rates are lower than the national or California averages. If you're looking for service industry jobs (restaurants and bars), it can be very lucrative but it's extremely competitive. If you're looking for unskilled or casual work it's quite hard to survive.

Damn thank you for taking all that time to respond so eloquently. It's funny cause since I posted this morning I was asking a few people that have some relative know how about it and everyone's been saying sublets in Oakland or Berkeley, at least to test the waters. People could live somewhere their whole life but I highly doubt most people could describe the evolving social constructs and economic direction that well. What do you do out there and what's your living situation? Just curious because of that maelstrom of bullshit you just delved into hahaha.
To be honest the whole experience would be less about establishing myself into a life long career and more so what you assumed - mostly personal and social betterment and rounding out some edges. Idk I just want to find somewhere that resonates as home and take things a couple steps at a time (although foresight is something I want to keep in mind as well).
I'm digesting everything you said though and took screen caps too haha I know this response lacks in comparison but I'm on mobile right now and damn it all if this screen fucks calibration up every ten seconds.

Side note to anyone reading, what are some stable jobs that coincide perfectly with travel for you guys?

>>1110751
Oh and disregard the more southern countries also listed in the map as North Africa, because I have no interest in going there even if they were ultra safe to travel to.

>>1110757

Sorry not everyone wants to go to North Europe or East Asia.

Lebanon, Jordan, Morocco are perfect for you based on your post. The order listed is the order recommended, as they are all interesting, safe and cheap (considering you avoid tourist traps).

>Just go somewhere you aren't putting your mother in danger.

kys, senpai

As popular as the nomad route is among young traveling types, I'm currently working towards early retirement in a career path with similar starting pay. Learning to live really frugally while you're in the US, taking advantage of your tax-advantaged investment options, and saving as much as you can would let you retire by your mid 30s in a career that paid like that.

>>1110605
thanks for the input. I definitely see the appeal in that choice and would definitely be able to save the majority of my income(I despise materialism) and retire quite early. The issue is that I feel I would enjoy traveling in my 20's far more than I would in my 40's, and presumably (hopefully) committed to a family. I'd like to be that dude that has insane stories from his youth about travelling to strange places and getting into weird situations. (I already have quite a few from my short 3 months)

>>1110604
It will definitely affect your job prospects negatively unless you find someway to make it seem like an educational or progressive trip. You can discuss how you taught English or some science abroad. You can also always BS that you taught whatever your major was abroad and it cannot be checked really... But be smart about it.

My brother took about a year off after college to figure himself out, but he then got a job. Although, to be fair his prior boss from an internship recommended him after he had an unsuccessful job hunt for a while. He's a civil engineer from a pretty good university, so not like he's studying communications at bumfuck college. So take away from that, make sure you have some connections before you disappear.

Listen to music, podcast or audiobook.
If it's too boring, convince someone to go with you so you can share your boredom.

>>1110436
Make playlists for certain "moods"
When I have a long trip, I have playlists set up for
>driving in the morning
>driving in bad weather
>driving during sunset (favorite one)
>Driving at night

Makes it feel like much more of an experience, and helps you get there in the moment. Listening to NPR is pretty fun too.

I did Georgia to Seattle in five days when I got out of the army, and I only stopped for a tiny bit of touristy shit - I went to the big air museum in Omaha, I went to Mount Rushmore, the Indian museum, Deadwood, the missile Silo museum in South Dakota. The rest of the time I was driving, the days I did nothing but drive I covered at least 1000 miles a day.

I guess you could do it in three days, depending on the weather. I was just fine listening to music and looking out the window. Not sure which route you're taking, but I90 through the Black Hills, the Rockies, and around Yellowstone was some of the most beautiful scenery I've ever seen.

Pretty pessimistic. You look at how Chinese behave abroad. We're going to see more poorer countries become wealthy, and travel destinations will be full of people with even worse manners.

virtual reality

Hyper loop

>jetlag

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>>1109925
dont think about trips too much

>>1109928

not jetlag. This has happened even while flying somewhere in my same timezone

Hard to say, but I think that would be fine. Take me as a swede, when in Japan I usually spend around $94 a day excluding accommodations but felt like I was living like a king with the cheap food, restaurant food will be pricey in Sweden but groceries are fine.
Check out SJ for some travelprices by train, busses are a little cheaper but trains are worth it, rail isn't monopolized any longer so there are other companies too for intercity travel, I usually go with SJ though.

>>1109781
$100 per day is enough to visit the cities if you stay in hostels, but in the countryside (in Norway anyway) there are no hostels and price-wise a lot of stuff is tailored for older European and American with money. If you want to travel in rural Norway on the cheap you gotta bring a tent and hitchhike or take local buses.

>>1109952

Is camping free in a lot of spots like it is in the United States? I'd be there in summer so sleeping outside would be doable, but then there's the obvious problem of having a tent and transporting it around the country.