Warhammer 40.000 General /40kg/

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>>55420638
It's contagious rust, Anon.

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plastic aspect warriors when?

R8 my 2000pts DG list.

>HQ
Typhus – 164pts
Winged Daemon Prince – x2 Malefic Talons, The Suppurating Plate - 180pts

>TROOPS
x20 Poxwalkers – 120pts
x20 Poxwalkers – 120pts
x20 Poxwalkers – 120pts
x10 Plague Marines – x2 Blight Launchers - 218pts

>ELITE
Tallyman – Plasma pistol – 67pts

>FAST ATTACK
Myphitic Blight-Haulers – 142pts
Myphitic Blight-Haulers – 142pts
Chaos Spawn – 33pts

>HEAVY SUPPORT
Hellforged Leviathan Dreadnought – x2 Graflux Bombards, x2 Hellflamers – 339pts
Chaos Predator – Twinlinked Las. Cannons, x2 Las. Cannons – 190pts
Plagueburst Crawler – x2 Entropy Cannons, Rothail Volley Gun - 162pts

>>55420659
That's what she said

>>55420638
Me in the middle

gangsta tubs called spikey bit a fucking weirdo on their last podcast

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>>55420653
Reminder, imperial citizens, xenos are only good for cleansing!

>>55420683
lol you are funny dude

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>>55420688
Me under the blanket.

>>55420685

Tallyman is useless

You could take 2 units of 5 Plague marines, they can have three plasmas or two blight launchers each

Chaos spawn is shit

No bell guy for the zombies

No terminators

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>>55420653

>>55420683
After SoB but before Squads.

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1st for sickass black armor and other death guard stuff released WHEN

>>55420731
>Tallyman is useless

not that anon, but Rerolls to hit in the fight phase is pretty nice for zombies

>>55420731
>reroll all your misses in fights
>useless
haha
oh alright
hahah okay yeah
ha

>>55420688
do all your women look that unsatisfied?

>>55420747
>>55420748
Plus he effectively is an extra 1-2 CP.

>>55420743
>>55420743
fuck that looks badass....

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>>55420756
>caring about women

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>>55420683

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>>55420692
>cat owner
>went bankrupt
>fluffy fw
>reddit memes

>>55420692
>>55420781
what the fuck are you mongoloids going on about

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Should I stick to 3x Heavy Bolters on my standard Lemans or is giving them all 4 of them Plasma Cannon sponsons a better idea? I have enough tank commanders to give all of them orders if necessary.

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>>55420638

>chaos lord in termie armour
>chaos lord on juggernaut
>DV chaos lord
>DV chosen
>bloodthirster
>daemon prince
>skulltaker
>30 cultists
>30 bloodletters
>renegade knight

Is this sufficiently Khorne enough? I was going to get Kharne but I'm kind of waiting to see if they make new Berzerkers first.

>>55420685
>x10 Plague Marines – x2 Blight Launchers - 218pts

Why?

You can have six plasma guns or four blight launchers if you split in two

>>55420727
New here. Who is this sex godess

>>55420807
>new berzerkers
you're in for a wait and a fucking half, anon
also what does kharn have to do with fucking zerkers getting new sculpts
just get kharn

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>>55420743

>>55420807
Use FW zerker kit in meantime

>>55420756
Filthy Xenos always look like that after sex. It's a look of inner conflict.

>>55420731
>Tallyman is useless
I field 60 close combat only dudes m8, rerolling every fail to hit rolls for them is far from being "useless"

For the rest I guess spliting the Marines in two and giving them more special weapons, getting rid of the Spawn in the process doesn't sound too bad, I might try that.

>>55420743
I think thats really dark green, not black.

What's the cheapest dg character you can include? Points wise.

>>55420862
no its definitely black anon
im sure you know what black looks like

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Mortarion so blown the fuck out that the writer of the Death Guard codex is too ashamed to even tell the full story.

>>55420867
Character? Tallyman at 67 including his Plasma Pistol. HQ Character? Chaos Lord at 74.

>>55420867
one of the elites, is roughly 65-ish points

>>55420879
I agree with him. At the very least it's highlighted with green.

>>55420867

Plague surgeon is 59, Tallyman 60, Bell guy 63

>>55420903
Um, it's highlighted with grey, you can see it on his chestpiece. The foot looks green because they used shade on the boils.

>>55420911
tallyman is 67 and bellguy is 70, you forgot to add their plasma pistols

>>55420743
Looks a whole lot less overdesigned in black. GW really is fucking up with how the showcase models are painted lately, it makes quite decent or even good models look horrible.

>>55420903
its visible that its highlighted with green at spots but the armour itself is black

>>55420911
plague surgeon is 65, you forgot to add his balesword.

>>55420891
They retconned the iron cage in the SM codex, only fair to retcon some Wardian bullshit in return

>>55420922

Oh fuck me, I didnt know gear wasnt already added.

Why the fuck does GW do this? It's not like they can take any other gear in many cases.

>>55420946
They literally just printed it on page 26 of the Grey Knight codex. I'm sure GK and DG were both being worked on at the same time.

Death Guard writer just can't accept it

>>55420948
>Why the fuck does GW do this?

because they're fucking retarded.

>>55420949
cool, i was just thinking this

>>55420946
retconned the iron cage how?

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>>55420946
Actually I'd like to see Draigo and everything related to him removed entirely from the game and the lore. And I play GK myself.

>>55420948
To make it easier is they add gear options in the future.

>>55420921
Nah. It's definitely green. The chest looks more like they went all the way up to a nurgling green. And looking at it more I'd say the base is probably a abaddon black/incubi darkness mix.

>>55420946
But it hasnt changed from the IA version.

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>>55420743
And here's one more.

>>55420973
It now is a tactical draw from which the Imperial Fists withdrew under some gentle guidance from the Ultramarines, rather than the Imperial Fists getting decimated, having a desperate last stand and getting their bacon saved by the Ultramarines.

>>55420976
Oh god if that happened my gk friend would lose his shit sell his army and never play again
He always whines about something

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Why does a CSM Daemon Prince cost less than the Chaos Daemons version? They are virtually identical.

>>55421006
>Kangeroo terminator carrying a nurgling on the left

Nurglings a cute. CUTE!!!

Is Stern canon
badass waifu 2bh would commit heresy

>>55420948
So all points costs are on a single page and can be updated in Chapter Approved. Is also let's them easily add new datasheets down the line like the Anniversary Primaris Captain while referring you to the most updated point list to determine how much he costs.

>>55421024

Because he's more in line with space marines than with demons

Same reason why CSM can only take a limited part of demons in their armies.

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I'm really glad I started with Death Guard for 8th edition and not Thousand Sons as I originally intended. The DG codex is a wonderful mix of grimdark and fun stuff.

The rules themselves are great, and I like every unit, psychic power and so on.

The artist side of the hobby tickles my fancy too, I really like painting the DG models. Plus socially I'm meeting people and talking about things that I find interesting.

>>55421006
Now that's black.

>>55420867
plague surgeon, probably the most useful too.

If you're looking for an expendable summoner, there's a stratagem that removes any risk from summoning. If you're looking for a divine intervention challenge eater, beasts of nurgle can do that and are 38 points.

>>55420674
>yet you can't have bikes
>but WS can have dreads

>>55420756
They are confused that this human did well (eldar) or what sex is in the first place. (tau)

>>55421024
I suspect it's just because he's been updated more recently in that book than the index.

Minor daemons are all cheaper in the 2 CSM books released since the indexes as well.

>>55421041
What is a divine intervention challenge eater?

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Size comparison between Rubric Marines and Primaris Marines, please?

>>55420685
>cool fluffy stuff
Alright
>cool fluffy stuff
Nice
>suddenly FW shit

Yawn

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>>55421078

>>55421038
what orange is that? was in the market as i've been forced to mix for mine but that's about what i need.

>>55421099
Two thin coats of troll slayer orange and a wash of feugan orange

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>>55420802
I want an answer for this question too.

>>55420844
This is why I don't expect zerkers or noise marines anytime soon. FW basically already does it - i use 30 kakophini as my noise marines and I get A) compliments and B) people asking me if they're 3rd party. 3 sonic dreads sitting in my backfield and everyone knows they're FW but no one suspects the infantry for some reason.

>>55421023
Then he shouldn't play Grey Knights

>>55420802
>>55421126
As an Ork player I would say it depends on the main gun, if its anything that shoots at infantry i'd take the 3 HBs

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>>55420844
>>55420807
Blood Warrior Berserkers are pretty great too. Just be sure to convert the feet.

>>55421121
thanks - i suspected but you never know with the plethora of paints out there. adding to my shopping list so my poxwalkers can stop being 100% flesh and tentacles.

>>55421197
needs more chainblade

>>55420802
>>55421126
Battle Cannon, Lascannon, 2x HB is the best all around armarment for the Russ.

>>55421198
I plan to 'theme' my poxwalkers with colours, party cuz it's cool, party cuz it's easier to do and partly so you can tell what guy is from what unit.

My next batch could be yellow, or blue or anything really.

>>55421184
I have a feeling it would be the same, no matter the army

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>>55421029
Yes he even have his own model. And his fluff is much better than Draigo.

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>>55421236
No I mean the sister of battle

>>55421259

I want an updated Silas Hand model

>>55421259
Then no.

I miss cheap characters like cultist champions.

>>55421259
You mean Daemonifuge The Thrice Born?

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>>55421276
Me 2

want blue lipstick on my dick 2

>>55421236

The Daemonifuge Stern you absolute newfaggot

>>55421006
Greenfags btfo

Man why isn't Disgustingly Resilient just a Death Guard wide thing?

>>55421281
That's a shame she's hot

>>55421291
Yes, I do mean the Heretic Saint

>>55421165

So annoyed the sonic dreads got axed from forgeworld, how do you differentiate blast masters with the kakophoni?

>>55421085
>not liking Buffnought

No taste

>>55421320
check their FAQ, they tell you how to run them.

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>>55421259
Yes. She even has an old GW model. Specific details of her story are of course subject to possible retcons.

>>55421338
Nice. Can you get these still?

>>55421220
I was planning on theming mine as the zombified remnants of a penal legion with ones with improvised weapons as convicts/penal legionaries and the guys with rifles/coats having been the officers. The paint job got a little complicated because I accidentally bought gloss shade and had to hit them with matte clear... which force me to re-prime the clothing to get the paint to cover properly. The skin looks good enough I'm debating about gloss for my next batch as well.

So is everyone just going to run Stygies Adeptus Mechanicus because it's stupidly good?

>>55421337

Yeah i know theyre playable i meant the model

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>>55421349
No. Try ebay/recasters. And it's honestly not that great of a model.

>>55421349

Yeah for 200$

>>55421356
Mars/Stygies/Lucius

>>55421351

I had the same idea.

Then I plan on buying third party zombie IG and maybe make some ork and eldar zombies as well

>>55421374
>>55421375
Fuck. Might as well just modify a Sister.
Thanks for the info. Back to researching, uh, "anatomical diagrams".

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Can CSM characters summon greater daemons with their Daemonic Ritual ability?

>>55421401
Just give Veridyan a Seraphim backpack and you'd honestly be really close.

>>55421424
Yes, if you roll well enough.

>>55421427
Good idea

How bad is my list and what can i do to improve it.

Total: [107 PL, 2000pts, 8cp]

CSM - Alpha Legion

-Battalion Detachment

HQ:

Lord Arkos

Lord w/ Jump Pack, Plasma pistol, Power sword

Dark Apostle w/ Plasma pistol, Power maul

Troops:

9x Cultist w/ Autogun, Champion w/ Autogun

9x Cultist w/ Autogun, Champion w/ Autogun

9x Cultist w/ Autogun, Champion w/ Autogun

9x Cultist w/ Autogun, Champion w/ Autogun

Elites:

Hellforged Contemptor w/ Havoc launcher, Hellforged chainclaw, Soulburner, Butcher cannon

Heavy Support:

Hellforged Leviathan Dreadnought w/ Grav-flux bombard, 2x Hellflamer, Hellforged siege drill, Meltagun

-Vanguard Detachment

HQ:

Exalted Champion w/ Plasma pistol, The Murder Sword

Sorcerer on Disc w/ Eye of Tzeentch, Force sword, Plasma pistol

Elites:

Terminators -
. Champion: Combi-plasma, Power fist
. 2x Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power axe
. Terminator: Combi-plasma, Power sword
. Terminator: 2x Lightning Claw

Chosen -
. Chosen Champion: Combi-plasma, Power axe
. 5x Chosen w/ Plasma gun

Khorne Berzerkers w/ Icon of Wrath -
. Berzerker Champion: Chainaxe, Plasma pistol
. 14x Chainsword and Chainaxe

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>>55421097

Just to add to this so its a little easier to visualize;


The Plague Marine, despite walking forward in a bent knee pose (not full height extension) is taller (top of the head) than the Chosen and even the Rubric Marine (who is standing at full height extension.)

The Primaris Marine, despite being bent at the knees for a bracing pose and leaning in to line his eyes up with the sights on his Bolter, is still taller than all of them. If Primaris Marines were to stand at full attention with good posture they would even more noticeably taller than all three of them.

>>55421374
That must weight more than Exorcist. And you could club somebody to death with it.

>>55421540
>>55421097

To add to this even more, Thousand Sons are probably truescale

Primaris are custodes tall

Death Guard have different heights between marines. Some are shorter than the one depicted and some taller. There's one or two that would be almost primaris size tall

So knights still have the <Household> Keyword that still does... nothing. Why was that even added to the AM book?

>>55421541
That made me think, how do they do the blue effect on all the 3d white stuff, like the icons on the exorcist? Just recess shade it?

Looking at the new pre orders the hand of night cd says the audio drama ties to battlefleet gothica, does anybody who has listened to it know how it is tied?

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>>55421541
That's nothing.

>>55421604
Future proofing I assume.

2 idiot question - why DP in DeathGuard has option of wings but no point cost to it

Why deamons are in the book while they are not deathguard so no battleforged ?

>>55421604
Why wouldn't they? Mechanicus aligned knights are still part of houses.

What are the changes in the admech codex?

>>55421606
Recess shade of Nihilakh Oxide. Duncan's Celestine video covers it.

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123rd for Scythes of the Emperor

>>55421654
> why DP in DeathGuard has option of wings but no point cost to it

A typo in your $40 book

>Why deamons are in the book while they are not deathguard so no battleforged ?

as intended, apparently

>>55421604
Well they did change their tags to Questor Mechanicus and add the Strategem that key off it. Maybe whenever they do the Knights you be able to apply the household rules to the Mechanicus ones too. Kinda like how you can use CT with datasheets from the Index.

What's with sellers on Ebay being such fucking jews with shipping prices? I was looking for Primaris Intercessors and the only seller with free shipping was Hong Kong out of all places.

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>>55421621

>>55421654
>Why deamons are in the book while they are not deathguard so no battleforged?

Summoning or an allied detachment. It's just a convenience thing.

>>55421711
Entitled much?

>>55421669
Not yellow enough

>>55421669
127

>>55421382
Can I run several detachments as different Forgeworlds?

>>55421654

Mistake.

So you don't have to buy two books just to summon.

>>55421750
Yes.

>>55421750
Yup. That's probably the most competitive way to do pure AdMech to be honest. A Mars firebase with Stygies/Lucius forward elements.

>>55421750
Yes

What is the best anti horde unit in any eldar faction?

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>>55421586

This is a rough estimate but going by head-heights, the Primaris Marines are the closet to normal human proportions, the average person being around 7 1/2 heads tall with 8 heads tall used for idealized humans and 8 1/2 or more for 'heroic proportions' in artwork. Or a dozen if you are a GW artist.

They somewhat miss the mark of 'believable human anatomy', coming in at 6 1/2 heads, likely 7 if you had them stand at full attention. This still significantly better than the Chosen, who does not even break 6 heads tall, or the Plague Marine who might barely hit 6 heads tall if he stood with good posture. The Rubric is the second closest, coming to 6 1/2 heads tall at full attention.

Of course, the easy excuse is this is Games Workshop's 'heroic porportions'. They work well when on the table next to the poor, stunted anatomical proportions of Guardsmen, Eldar, Orks and so on.

As far as Primaris Marines and 'truescale' are concerned; lore-wise they ARE bigger than Astartes, which probably puts them closer to their Custodes counterparts.

>>55421778
>>55421779
>>55421784
Neat. So Mars Kastelans in the backfield with deepstriking Electro priests From Lucius or Stygies?

So how about that TTS episode?

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Should I buy a phantom titan? I really want to but I would probable never use it in a game. but I think it would give me a great winter project

>>55421792
Forge World's corsairs in ynnari/CWE
poisoned d6 pistols bby

>>55421015
Since the IF Index Astartes the Iron Cage has always been a stalemate and the Ultramarines intervened to stop the two from mutually annihilating each other. Nothing has been retconned. Ironwarriorsfags just meme it as a victory because they have no legitimate wins in their fluff.

>>55421726
How the fuck am I entitled? These sellers have fucking higher prices and more expensive shipping then GW most of the time.

>>55421792
swooping hawks from what i hear are amazing anti horde for craftworld, and they probably would be even better in Ynarri, against alot of marines I hear dark reapers. if you want to spend alot of money the shadow specters are amazing vs either MEQ or horde with their 2 firing profiles

>>55421803

I think Plague Marines are intended to look fat on purpose.

As for the Dark Vengeance marines, they're Thousand Sons tall and truescale as well. Marines always had big helmets in proportion to their bodies

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>>55421621
I used this guy as a giant chaos spawn for a few years. He weighs like 5 pounds, and ya that base is lead - he's attached with machine screws.

>>55421835
Isn't it D6 poison per unit not per model? People were discussing that last thread.
Shardcarbine arent bad for hordes.

>FLG Codex AM review

lol, they are so positive about it that it is almost sickening
on servitors
>That is honestly not a bad investment and if you are trying to fill out a Birgade, can give you some decent firepower.
>-Moderately priced unit that requires support to be at all playable.
>-Provides decent punch in range or melee if, again, supported.
>-Helps fill out a Brigade detachment for more Command Points.

yes they couldn't spell Brigade

>>55421818
Well its a model 1st and a gaming piece 2nd

>>55421855
Its per model

Is taking a Helbrute in Death Guard when you can take a Daemon Prince of Nurgle just a straight downgrade?

I just like the Helbrute model

>>55421803
How does shoving three extra organs into the marine even result in a taller body? The codex just says they grow even stronger muscles and bones (Although, that probably could be achieved via the existing organs as well).

>>55421875
Because he has ass cancer.
Also, you are posting on the wrong thread I believe.

>>55421878
I have 3 and planning on taking more.
I just like chaos naughts.

>The Cerebral Techno-Mitre: Graia characters can take this for +1 CP. Sweet!

~FLG on their favourite couple of AdMech Relics

>>55421878
You should prioritize just using what you like, anon

>>55421878
Taking Helbute over anything else is always a straight downgrade.

>>55421863
you speak truth

>>55421878
No. The Helbrute is a good heavy weapons platform. Go Twin Las + ML.

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>>55421885
Bodies are made out of bones and muscle, anon. More bones and muscle = moar hueg.

>>55420743
>>55421006
Plague models just don't work with bright pastel colours, even this secondary non-DG colour scheme looks better than the scheme they used.

>>55420963

GW has very strict guildelines when writing fluff, its ok for Chaos and NPC races to get BTFO but not muh Imperial Marines

Which is why the Death Guards big victories in the codex come against things like Iron Warriors, and Typhus humbling Huron instead of one of the millions of space marine characters.

>>55421873
D6 shots at 4+ poison i believe
What i dont know is if they have 2 each and if you roll once for the unit like lootas

>>55421885
>How does shoving three extra organs into the marine even result in a taller body?
The same way two organs outside the body make males taller on average than women.

>>55421885
The one responsible for biggermarines is half of the Primarch organ.

>>55421939
They didn't even do well against NPCs.
The Tau thing was a letdown that was just them popping into a Tau-Imperium conflict. Tyranids beat them off a planet by out-plague/poisoning them.

Only remarkable one was maybe them somehow giving Necrons a contagious plague somehow.

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What is the status of the various Chaos Legions after the Horus Heresy?

Did they all fracture and split up into warbands? I know Kharn split up the World Eaters. Sons of Horus are gone. But what about the rest? Are they cohesive?

>>55421983
It was contagious fucking rust, Anon. Pay attention. >>55420674

>>55421996
Iron Warriors, Word Bearers and Death Guard are the only ones that really stuck together.

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So, Predators and sponson weapons - Does one actually need them? Just naked Autocannon Predator doesn't seem too bad, and the tank will sit in the backfield anyway, so could I just be cheap on points here, or are they necessary? I mean, the Autocannon does what the Lascannon does, and if things come close enough to be in bolter range, I probably fucked up anyway.

What are the best online sellers for 40k? I only know of Wayland.

>>55421941
You get a lasblaster and brace of pistols by default. you can replace the lasblaster with another brace of pistols. I assume you can fire both in a phase, and when you fire one, you roll 1 die to determine all the shots fired.

Quick mathhammer: you can expect to kill about 8 conscripts with one brace of pistols round of firing from a full unit. 16 from two braces.

Which doesn't seem all that good. You pay 13 points per model for a reaver with two braces. For 10 models, that's 130 points.

>>55422016
I thought the Iron Warriors were all pretty splintered?

>>55422026
Ebay for specific stuff, maybe your LGS for general kits. Mine has an online shop and 20% off RRP. Pretty neat desu.

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This guy on sale on E-bay.

Is this a nice paintjob?

>>55421878
So blur the line. Nothing says he couldn't have ascended after being put in to the hellbrute. I use a Khorgorath from the AOS boxed set with dread armor plates, and a bunch of pistons/survos/crap from ad mech kits - his left arm is some sort of lightning claw from a (space wolf) dreadnaught kit, mostly just because I wanted an incorporated infernal bolter.

Just make it clear enough he's not a hellbrute. That should be easy if you're giving him a sword, axe, and/or wings.

I've seen people say wave serpents are bad but why is this? Every time I've played against them they seem to be pretty good.

>>55422055
Seems like it. Perhaps the highlighting is subtle to the point of invisibility, but otherwise I'd be happy if I got that.

>>55421996
Everyone splintered. EC and NL shattered before the Heresy was even over, really, and the IW had been used as garrison troops so they were all over the place too.

The Word Bearers and the BL are probably the two most organized.

>>55422043
>tfw no lgs in my shithole town

>>55421903
They still get fire frenzy in the DG book, right?
4 lascannons shots and two krak missiles are decent.

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>>55422036
Seems like Perturabo got them together again.

Calls them a Legion and you can't say that if it was just a big warband.

>>55422024
Sponsons are even better on backfield preds so that they can just sit and dakka.

>>55422080
Mine is also about 45 minutes away, but it's okay. They send everything they sell via postal service, and the 20% saving easily makes up for the 4€ it costs to send everything. But I also like to drive there myself and get everything in person.

>>55422055
Yes, it's probably a 7 or 8/10

>>55421885
One of the new organs enhances the function of all the others. So they'll grow bigger and stronger.

>>55422036
Sort of.

They're physically separate but they seem to be all loyal to perty still and consider themselves parts of the legion.

>>55421126
>>55421194
>>55421214
I planned on 2 Executioners and 2 Battle Tanks, all taking hull HB and Plas sponsons but LRBT + Las and 2 HB sounds better while being 4 points cheaper.

Considering I have all my tank commanders run Punishers with Las and Plas sponsons now I might just change their non-turret weapons too. I'm tempted to give Pask his Multi-meltas again.

>>55422072
Serpents are NOT bad. Theyre one of the cheaper transports even with bright lances and are survivable.

>>55421885
Because Cawl made better steroids.

>>55422123
Is the vanquisher still dogshit?

>>55422179
Everything 1 shot is shit because not many weapon profiles do over 7 wounds. You want to kill a transport a turn with your tank hunter.

>>55422087
Yup. They're the same as the CSM datasheet. They just get to move and fire without penalty per the DG trait.

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Progress is slow because I don't want to make any mistakes. Still need to unsprue all the guns, arms, shoulder pads and pouches, and then spray primer on everything.

>>55422179
Yes

>>55422055
Yes, that's an excellent paint job.

>>55422244
Tauboys

>>55422024
You want sponsons. A lot of what the Predator pays for is the durability of the base platform. Only putting one weapon on that is a waste.

Blight Launcher or Plasma Guns on Plaguemarines?

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Beast Status: Sighted.

Also, made a mechasnek to replace some lost legs. Greenstuff skills aren't exactly good.

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>>55422244
>Grey, half assembled Tau
You know, in 7th edition I would have made a joke about it, but nowadays, just paint them up nicely.

>>55422292
Both are great. Put one of each in a unit or take three plasma guns (with champion).

>>55421893
A little silly yes. But AdMech Stratagems are incredibly useful. "Unbuyung" you relic wouldn't be that bad if we're a generic relic.

>>55422024
Ask yourself if what the points you're not spending on guns are worth what you're spending them on elsewhere.

>>55422292
Against MeQ : Plasma
Against anything else : Launcher

>>55422311
You have accidentally made a chaos skitarii.

>>55422312
I'm sorry for being a total WH40K tabletop newbie

>>55421038
What colors do you use to achive such a nice orange prision suit

>>55422204
>>55422262
That makes me sad. I want a long barrel tank to be good.

I'm guessing the battlecannon outperforns it in every way?

>>55422330
Well, I was thinking of doing a third Assault squad for those points, but I guess I could do with just two anyway.

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any leaks on knights yet?

>>55422311
Better GS skill than me honestly. You should put serious thought into what the join with the torso looks like. I thought it was a Nurgle traitor mechanicus unit at first, and I don't know if a silver paint job in its current state would make it look convincing.
One idea you could use is to have a section of dead skin-graft looking join between the metal and the flesh, like it's got lots of stitches.

>>55422369
They're the same as in the Index

>>55422369
Literally nothing

Aw shiet beasts of nurgle AND plague drones both get more wounds in this codex. Plague drones are also 10 points cheaper for some reason.

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>>55422356
It's okay anon, don't feel bad about it. Play what you want.

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>>55422369
>tfw no calvin klein SOB-fu

>>55422369
Same as the index but they've got, two stratagems.
>increase invuln to a 4++ for a turn when shot for 1cp
And
>use the best profiles on the damage table for one turn 2cp

>>55422362
Every other turret weapon outperforms it. It's really, really bad. And if you really want to be disappointed compare it to the Basilisk.

>>55422369
is she all hips and no ass

>>55422404
And give your Knight Canticles for a CP. Pretty good with Cover or Re-roll shooting of 1.

>>55422416
The FW one basically rerolls everything and its still bad. Damn.

Vanquisher cannon needs something like 2d6 damage to be effective.

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So you guys mean to tell me this thing isn't cool looking?

>>55420946
I don't think not including it = a retcon.

Is Black Legion out on epub/pdf?

>>55422444
I like it, I might use the spikes it's got on either side and put them on the shoulders of a leviathan, if it fits.

>>55422444
I like it more than the white dwarf pics we saw that made it appear really long.

That image is also a good example of the negatives of GW's "only make artwork for existing miniatures" policy.

>>55422444
I like it. Makes me think of a love child of the Vindicator and Griffon Mortar.

>>55422444
Reminds me (in a good way) of the droid crawlers from ROTS.

>>55422444
It looks like a toy. It's the single piece armour. If it looked more like a tank with hatches and panels and such, I might be more ok with it. Or if it looked more like a daemon engine with more demonic features.

I'm just hoping the sponsons are optional, so I can use a medusa.

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>>55420687

>>55422416
>>55422432
Change its special rules to
>reroll all failed wounds
>on a to wound roll of 4 or 5 it deals a mortal wound, on a six it does d3
And it's damage can be
>3+d3 damage

>>55422432
If the Vanquisher could get bonus damage rolls like the Rapier Laser Destroyer but only against vehicles it could actually do its job as a tank hunter. Right now it is in a sad place, which is a shame since I like the Vanquisher and Exterminator, both pretty lackluster kinda like the current state of LRBTs.

>>55422495
The single piece armour bit is just like a mantle for the tank, if you look at it from behind it probably looks like a normal tank

>>55422444
looks cheesy

>With this bundle, you’ll be able to take advantage of the Adeptus Mechanicus Stratagem known as Knight of the Cog – keep the included Imperial Knight within 12” of the included Tech-Priest Dominus, and you can employ the Canticles of the Omnissiah rule to dominate the enemies of Mars in fine style.

Looks like will can keep Canticles to Knight after all. I hope this isn't overpriced at all who am I kidding this will be 2 CP / round or 1 CP / phase or something lol

>>55422533
I think it's 1cp per turn.

>>55422529
It still looks like a toy. Very little features, just mounts for guns and some spikes. If it had view slits, hatches, optics, anything, it'd give something. I don't even think it has a crew platform on the back.

>>55422505
>Foetid Bloat-drone
>two Plaguespitters
>Plague Probe
>158 points

>Plagueburst Crawler
>Plagueburst Mortar
>two Plaguespitters
>Rothail Heavy Gun
>156

Why are FBD so expensive?

>>55422372
Yeah. that's my current conundrum. Going to wait overnight for it to set, though, since at the moment I'd rather not try chopping at it. Plan is either to round off the greenstuff sections either side of the central seam, paint the upper bit before the tentacles start as the black fatigues and make it look like a crazy leg graft or to get a minor armour plate from a Kataphron or something and see if I can just armour over the join. The actual cables were going to be painted in pale skin with a red wash, rather than as metal, since that's the "servitor flesh" I've got in the rest of the army.

>>55422340

Well, they're Traitor Biologis, so not quite Nurgle but not too far off.

New Admech codex any good lads?

>>55422559
Finger tapping man says no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daG1Pgr94zA

>>55422559
There's some good stuff in there. Winters >>55422576 seems to have missed a lot of stuff because he's angry they didn't get transports or new units.

>>55422559
Nothing special. Some decent strategems, some decent relics. Mixed stuff. Forge World boni are mixed.
No new units. We got the Knights into our codex even though it's more or less a "here now keep quiet" kind of thing.
Beware of the vid >>55422576 here because this is a hell of a salt mine of review.

I think we still got a short end of the stick after the DG codex.

>>55422559
Passable. Didn't fix a few of the more retarded problems, since Rusties and Breachers are still terrible and there's basically no reason not to take Kasties over Destroyers, but they did give us a somewhat cheaper HQ, more mobility in the form of Deep Strike and Infiltrate and fixed the Dragoons up to a very usable state.

Warlord Traits and Relics were pretty crap, though. The best one is probably the one that just gives you a CP, and that's locked to Graia.
Decent book, but could have been SO much better if they'd bothered to put any real effort to it, since Admech could have been fairly simply made amazing had they just got feedback from five or so Mech players then sat the rules team in a room for an hour to hash something decent for all the subpar units out.

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>>55422404
>>55422385
>>55422375
poop. was hoping they'd get new weapons or at least the ability to use forgeworld strats.

oh well, not gonna stop me from playing mine.

>>55422463
Look on KAT for it.

>>55422604
Combining the two "+1 to repair" options is good and available to everyone.

Are centurion devs any good? They seem really expensive for what you get.

>>55422608
vomit

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>>55422608

>>55422604
Boy, I sure hope it would be possible to brew some shit with the Dragoons. I love me some robo-chocobo running the field tasing everything that moves.

>>55421294

Me too.

>>55422087
ya, but it sort of countermands their ability to move and fire since they have to stand still. I think blighthaulers are going to replace them for the most part if only because they move about twice as fast, get a 5++, disgustingly resilient, a third (plague) ranged weapon, and a bunch of other stuff for 18 points more. Not to mention they still have an ap -2 plague weapon in melee, while the dread gives any melee weapon with that loadout (although in fairness he's got +1 A and +1 wound);

>>55422635
Dragoons do have some excellent new bullshit available. They were also buffed to AP -1.

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>cute blight-haulers can be taken in units of 3
>units of 3 cost 426 points

>>55422639
Eh. It's not like you really HAVE to move and fire when you have 48"+ guns.

Imperial Guard currently only have Catachans and Cadians as plastic regiments so when the Codex rolls out with Regiment Tactics what is Games Workshop going to do? Recommend players convert or buy 3rd party miniatures to get Steel Legion or Desert Raider tactics? For most armies the difference between Chapter/Craftworld/Klan is simply a paintjob but IG need different model ranges to properly represent Regiments.

>>55422652
Yea, I saw that. Glad that robo-chocobo got buffed and now feels like a worthy unit to try out and wreck havoc.

Dream admech change

>Can use any imperial vehicle provided its painted sufficiently admechy

>>55422659
Yeah. They're costed appropriately. They're basically zoom-zoom Helbrutes.

>>55422551
Well practically - Fly + 2 mega plague flamers is a pretty big deal. While my opponents were getting used to 8th edition rules, I was regularly getting these guys up in range, hosing them down and then just sitting and waiting for a charge. They shoot overwatch, survive the charge and then scoot out in the next movement phase and hose them down again (cuz fly) and wait for the charge if anythings left.

On the other hand, I think they're just going to charge a premium for anything relatively fast in a DG army, especially if it carries heavy weapons.

>>55422678
My dream admech change
>transports

>>55422666
they still sell all the old metal models for the rank and fire guardsmen and not releasing heavy weapon teams or support wouldnt be uncommon.

>>55422312
>filename

I'd never noticed that the sleeping girl's armor is shiny and polished where the guy on the right having his lunch is all pocked and battle-scarred. Neat.

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>>55422678
Not so fast...

>>55422681
except about 60% more resilient, about twice as fast, and carry 4 weapons (2 of which are plague).

<3

>>55422678
This, and proper servitor blobs. It's not as grimdark as it should be, where the good guys still use lobotomised mechanical zombies en masse.

>>55422694
A transport based off the walker would be very cool.

>>55422678
>provided its painted sufficiently admechy
Yay for me who's shit at painting and probably can't use that...

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Y'know, if we don't sperg out for a bit, I think it's fairly entertaining to read the Codices as in-universe propaganda. Note how the very same event is retold in order to make Mortarion look as well as can be without outright retconning it.

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>not being able to use the transports and fliers that you make
justadmecthings

>>55422698
Optimistically we could see a massive multi-tier plastic model release.

>>55422635
If you feed them a steady diet of Command Points, Stygies VIII or Ryza dragons are fucking monsters who will be totally immune to most ranged fire and run around butchering any TEQ or Vehicle they see

How do you feel about every hit roll of 4+ becoming 3 hits

>>55422678
I just want the 7th ed Rad Poisoning rules back, at the very least.

>>55422712
>inquisition
>not getting all their gear from Deimos

So do you think they'll update the ancient plastic Terminators to Primaris truescale, or make a new set of terminator armour to replace the old dog-faced Indomitus?

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>>55422678
Horus Heresy Admech can do that with Lords of War, steal literally anything Imperial and tack buffs onto it like Tank Hunters for 15 points on big tanks. Adds a lot of flavour, even on top of the fact that Admech in that ruleset actually have a good level of customization and wargear options. Can't wait for FoC.

>>55422756
I more meant the "Authority of the Inquisition" rule.

>>55422742
>How do you feel about every hit roll of 4+ becoming 3 hits

This.
>Hello Infantry,
>I Am the Toaster Chicken
>Now you gonna die.

>>55422604
I almost don't think GW really looked at what AdMech players are actually running. There's still literally no reason to use Rustalkers or Breachers and the Neutron Laser and Icarus array are still pretty much auto-takes.

I'm happy with some of the changes but GW seemed intent on making as few actual unit changes as possible from the index.

>>55422717
And yet they are still shit.
Tells a lot about Hellbrutes btw

>>55422551
Bloat Drone is ok in melee while Cralwer is not even close.

Bloat Drone has fly which means it doesn't become useless if it gets locked into combat.

>>55422736

Even though the writing is utter shit I like this, it's more in line with the old codices, full of point of view short stories that gave more insight into the factions and that werent necessarily true or false

>>55422797
Well at least there's now hope for more point changes in the near future.

>>55422608
who is this succubus

>>55422741
Maybe thats the plan and they are making guard OP right now so the WAAC fags switch and pay them lets of good money for their overpowered cheese before they nerf it into the ground with chapter approved.

Nahh that makes too much sense and requires too much thought for gee dubs.

Is it really worth taking Mortarion?

He's not like Magnus who can move 36 inches + 2d6 charge and do 12 mortal wounds with one psychic attack. And he, unlike Magnus, doesn't have access to very cheap units that move fast and dish out respectable damage themselves. Death Guard are a slow and expensive army. I think they'll suffer from Primaris syndrome unless it's Typhus + billions of poxwalkers.

>>55422820
It's got Grey Knights and nuChaos involved. Expecting the writing not to be shit is naive.

Can enginseers be HQs now? I think I saw that a couple of threads back...

>>55422867
>Primaris syndrome
What's that?

>>55422773
It's not admech it's Mechanicum.
Admech are cucs compared to Mechanicumchad.

>>55422871

I was honestly surprised at how shit the fucking writing of the DG codex is. Like what the fuck, shoving one of those shitty thematic words every four other normal words. And it always says the same

>>55422878
They were changed over to hq choices in the index.

>>55422878
Yes. They're also the new cheap HQ option for admech.

>>55422888
The extra wounds and attacks don't make up for a lack of flexibility and low model count.

>>55422893
No. They were elite in the index. They are indeed HQ in the codex though.

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Is the Craftworld codex going to have Ynnari details or do I need to wait for a later release?

>>55421492
I play AL a bit, and I don't know if I would take all of those cultists over some bog standard CSM. I also don't know why you wouldn't double up on grav-flux on the leviathan for maximum dickery. Contemptor is pretty loaded for how fast they can be popped, but he will do good work. You also don't have any good way to move your berzerkers without using the AL stratagem, and I don't know if your zerker champ needs a plasma pistol. Personally I would consolidate most of the cultists into one squad so you could use that Tide of Traitors stratagem later in the game, and I would probably use the Forward Operatives stratagem on them and the zerkers to help the terminators when they deep strike, but that is just how I play

>>55422919
They said it won't feature Ynnaries IIRC.
The index is plenty enough for them to be top tier for now anyway.

>>55422736
They left out the part where all of the Grey Knights sit around and cry

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How do I make the Crisis Suit and Drone versions of my paint scheme more interesting? Also r8 my Shas'ui paint scheme

>>55422954
I have absolutely no problem with where they are now. I was just thinking that if they get their own stratagems/relics/whatever that that wouldn't really be enough to fill out an entirely new codex.

>>55422986
Maybe change the grey details to a different color that complements the main color and yellow.

>>55422986
Highlights and shades do a lot for a model, they will help enormously. Maybe change the light grey to yellow or green.

>>55422954
its not really about their rule being good enough its about how badly worded all their rules and and how soulbusrt requires a lengthy FAQ by itself.

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Given that the options for who can take the flail of corruption specifies "Blightlord Terminator" and not "Blightlord Champion" or "any model," I assume I can't give the flail to the champion.

>>55420743
Nothing's stopping you from yours black.

>>55423018
That's correct. The champ can't take weapons from the second bullet either.

>>55422913
Ah, okay.

Is the new DG really like that? They're still canonically from the original SM bloodline, and not limited by the codex's 10-man squad size limit.

combi weapons in blight terminatours - plasma ? melta ? or ... flamer !?

Go !

>>55422736
I see no reason to think codices are in universe propaganda. The idea that GKs have propaganda is silly, for example. Daemons, tyranids, and necrons having propaganda is absurd.

Draigo carving his name onto Morty's heart has to mean something other than the obvious, as a live daemon primarch wouldn't sit still for that and a dead daemon primarch would discorporate, so I assume Morty's heart actually fell out after a serious injury and it was left laying around. Or something.

So do they still produce pre-Primaris marines in the 42nd Millennium?

So how are vehicles these days? They look tougher than before, is this true?

>>55423047
Things in this book are already so expensive I'll be sticking with regular combi-bolters, blight launcher, flail, and maybe a mix of axes and swords.

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Do you guys think this is a serviceable list? And no, I cannot take out the Hierodule because each army must have one and only one LoW.

Are death guard in battle scribe yet?

>>55423057
That would make more sense than a regular Astartes being more powerful than a Daemon Primarch.
Why are the grey knights filled with such Mary Sues anyway?

>>55421078
Pick a different image you've posted it a dozen times anon.

>>55423041
The base models are pricey and wargear is pricier still. Couple this with a lot of low range weapons on the slow infantry it's hard to build an army list that's offers flexibility. You basically have to take the fast attack vehicles if you want to snipe objectives, since the troops are slow as all fuck. Because you're forced to take these units, you have less points for the bread and butter of your army. And the terminators are retardedly expensive, and they're your only option for deep striking.

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Anyone ever lose a vital piece in a model by some means or another? Why even live after that? I'm so sad );

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Post good Regimental Standards pls.

>>55423114
Two words: Matt Ward.

What Combi-Weapon, if any, would you give Blightlord Terminators?

Melta? Plasma? Flamer?

>>55423084
Need 2 malanthropes and 1 squad of 20devil/10terma for the tunnel since only 1 unit can burrow. 2 units of genes are a bit much, for the cost of the 16 and 10 less termagants you could get 2 blobs of hormagants which are actually amazing with malanthrope adaptability.
Pyrovore aren't worth taking, nor is the broodlord. You may want to take a vanilla heirodule instead of barbed to be the target of hive commander as well but I could be wrong there.

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>>55423000
>>55423009
Green looked weird, and yellow made the whole thing too bright - I still want some sort of semblance of urban appropriate camoflague on my units, and save the bright colours for sept and rank markings. This is the best I could come up with. Maybe it'll look better on the actual painted miniature as opposed to my hacky photoshop job.

>>55423178
Yeah I know.
That reminds me what's the source on him being rehired without putting his name on books?
I mentioned it and my LGS' owner didn't believe me.

>>55423194
Use some of the light grey you have on the missile caps on a few panels of the suit and drones armor. That will add some visual interest while still preserving the overall scheme.

>>55423198
It seems he was hired on a one-off project. I honestly don't know if that's true or not.

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>he doesn't duel wield assault cannons
lmaoing at your chapter.

>>55423191
I have no second Malanthrope, nor Hormagaunts, and the Pyrovore's just there as a unit tax. And the second Genestealer unit is already going into the tunnel.

>>55423198
Photo on his Twitter feed.

>>55423231
>>55423243
Can you link it so I can BTFO my LGS' owner?

>>55423041
other anon is basically ignoring all of the other handy buffs to DG like 18" rapid fire, no penalties on assault or heavy weapons and the blightbringer letting you roll 2 advance die. If you take a normal sorcerer with warptime they can get a pretty good pace going. I do think a lot of the stuff is too expensive, but I'm not worried. It would be nice if I could actually buy half of the units tho

>>55423241
Get a second malanthrope, get hormagaunts, throw the pyrovore into the trash and don't tunnel your genestealers, they extremely rarely succeed the charge. Not only does the trygon need to be out of range of enemy units for deployment but the entire mass that surfaces needs to be, which is why tunneling a ranged unit is optimal, especially one where you can get 80+ s4 shots

>>55423018
Isn't the Blightlord Champion still a Terminator though?

>>55423252
https://twitter.com/thetowerofstars/status/760503644076793856

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How do I make a banner for Fuegan that doesn't suck?
I'm using a Dire Avenger banner.

I tried painting a white bar in the centre, then placing the big yellow dragon rune transfer on it, then painting a gradient (white to yellow to orange to red to dark red) towards the edges. However, it looks like a fucking fruju (pic related).

Can someone give me some ideas on how to paint it while incorporating the rune? I'd use the black rune, but it's too small for a banner.

Thanks in advance.

>>55423322
Design something in the computer and then print it out as a waterslide decal.

>>55423318
>all those responses
Truly he is skub incarnate, thanks.

>>55423290
I've yet to actually fail the charge with them, though. You're right about the Pyrovore and the Malanthrope though, but I just don't have the time to get said units before the campaign starts up next week. And what would I bring in the third elite slot without the Pyrovore?

>>55423114
GKs are tuff and anti daemon specialists, not "regular astartes. The idea that GKs couldn't beat a daemon primarch is retarded.

If a primarch can't be beaten by astartes, then you'd have situations where a primarch (esp a hyper aggressive one) tells his men "hold on, I got this" and just clears a planet of the enemy invincibly while yawning.

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tbhlads these dice are super comfy to roll and they don't scatter all over the place

>>55423349
more
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ALL THE HIVE GUARD