Standard General Deck advice, ask anon what he thinks about

Does this have a home after rotation? I really want to force it, but I'm not loving it without Deep-Fiend to munch it.

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>>55405282
Great start, forgot pic

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>>55405333
If you like it then there's nothing wrong with forcing it in there. Personally I'd rather use the card slot to glimmer/pull/etc during my opponents end step.

>>55405333

god-pharaoh's gift decks are still gonna be a thing, as are archfiend of ifnir cycling decks, this card is a staple in both of those

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What's the answer to U/R controls decks /tg/? I can't even start a board presence for one turn before my shit is destroyed or countered by something. They just play a land and pass with full mana leaving me hopeless.

>>55405146
>tfw UR control
>tfw played it since gearhulk was printed
>tfw this set

>>55405731
right now? Lumbering Falls fucks them over hard

Post Rotation? Side in the Carnage Tyrant

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>>55405731
Cats my man

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Where does this fit in standard?

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>>55405786
anon...

>>55405833

would be playable in temur energy splashing black, but i think its not going to find a slot in any of the decks that currently exist, wait for the new GBx decks to appear following the rotation of all the GB stuff from return to innistrad

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>>55405723
GPG isn't great now. Abrade means main decking artefact hate is on the table and now we have Relic of Progenitus lite for sideboards.

>>55405833
Temur Black of Grixis Pirates using treasure to pay G.

>>55405731
What?
U/R loses to just about everything these days.
What kind of janky-ass shit are you trying to play?

So im gonna update my mardu vehicles deck into something competitive. Really liking br vehicles atm, but I want to do a pet deck to have fun with. Thoughts on bw monument? Vamp tokens etc

Vampires.dec

22 Lands
4x Concealed Courtyard
9x Swamp
9x Plains

28 Creatures
3x Legion’s Landing
4x Vicious Conquistador
3x Mavren Fein, Dusk apostle
4x Bloodcrazed Paladin
4x Sanctum Seeker
3x Bishop of the Bloodstained
2x Vona, Butcher of Magan
4x Bishop’s Soldier
2x Duskborne Skymarcher

10 Spells
4x Vampire’s Zeal
4x Vraska’s Contempt
2x Arguel’s Blood Fast

>>55405146
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/759911#paper

R/W dinosaurs looks busted with all these 2CMC dinosaurs you can play for 1 mana

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>>55406249
i also made R/G dinosaurs

>>55406249
>36 creatures, most of which are subpar without other pieces out
>No spells whatsoever
>No card draw or filtering
It's too reliant on having your 'make dinos cheaper' creatures out, which themselves are not dinos, and the deck actually can't get going until t3. You drop your entire hand and then pray.
Also, why the fuck is Ramunap Ruins in there without any other deserts?

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So with everything revealed I want to start brewing on my Revel in Riches control deck ASAP and get to testing that shit.

Put together a rough first build for it that's Dimir with Vraska in it rather than Grixis, using Drake Haven/Favorable Winds.
It's basically that Dimir Drakes deck with some shit replaced for Treasure support, really.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/fiddle-me-timbers-sultai-treasure-control/

Please be gentle. Or don't be and just give me some genuine responses and tips on where to take this thing.

>>55406551
>It's too reliant on having your 'make dinos cheaper' creatures out, which themselves are not dinos
just like eldrazi
>the deck actually can't get going until t3.
you can double spell starting on turn 2 if you get the 1 drop cost reducer
>You drop your entire hand and then pray.
you have hazoret
>Also, why the fuck is Ramunap Ruins in there without any other deserts?
uhhh it can sac itself? the guy who just won a GP with mardu vehicles played 2 without any other deserts

>>55406662
>miscounted when brewing
I should really not try to build new decks with 4 beers in me.

>>55406228
No Gifted Aetherborn?

>>55407024
Forgot about that, he'd be perfect

>>55407130
Metallic Mimic is also good. Yaheeni is the other vampire standard legal but without a sac outet he isn't great.

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>mfw I'm taking UB Metalwork Colossus one last time to FNM
>fully aware that meta is full of Abrades

FUCK IT
WE'LL DO IT LIVE

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>>55407130
>>55407263
>he

>>55407317

I'm gonna gender them and there ain't shit you can do about it

>>55405932
We already have Crook, which is a bit better in the long run, since you can target individual cards before GPG triggers resolve without having to nuke your own graveyard if you're using any aftermath cards.

>>55405740
UR is kill

you must play grixis or USA colors

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>want to play dinosaurs
>dont want to waste 90 dollars for three chandras that will drop to pennies once she rotates
>want to play pirates
>don't want to dip in three colors
>want to play vampire or merfolk
>their tribal synergy is much weaker compared to dinos and pirates and will most likely have to wait for Rivals of Ixalan before they can really take off

>>55407654
>muh chandras
you don't need chandras for dinosaurs
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/759932#paper

https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-hard-truths-about-ixalan-standard/
WTF i hate standard now

So Flying Pirates seem pretty fucking unfair with Jace and the Proliferate Pirate from Aether Revolt.

>>55407654
Chandra is played in all formats mate.

>>55408216
Skyship Plunderer into Jace indeed is pretty fucking absurd.

>>55408216
Is an army of Jace even that powerful? He makes a 2/2 every other turn and has conditional looting. Even with 2 or 3 on the board he's not overly threatening.

>>55407291
>first round temur energy, get slapped with appetites and abraded
>second round r. Red, get knocked down to seven before I can play yev's expertise, he burns me with the gas he drew from courier

God. Dammit. Rip my chance for FNM fatal pushes

>>55407389
GPG doesn't target before resolution so you have to keep their graveyard empty of threats if you don't want to exile your own graveyard

>>55406662
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/fiddle-me-timbers-sultai-treasure-control/

I'm thinking the same thing. Why not Walk the Plank over Essense Extraction? Or is the gain 3 crucial, you think?

Is Bone Picker worth it in a UB flyingmen.dec? Would he be too slow? I feel like I'm already hard pressed for mana, to dump my hand and still keep up interaction, that he would only serve to clunk up my hand. Sure he combos well with Fatal Push, but I'd rather just play a much lower curve and guarantee I can always cast my creatures. Or would the abundant removal my creatures face make his inclusion more than considerable? Thoughts?

>>55408049
That sounds like the exact same doom and gloom that happens ever time a new set is released.

So this standard it is going to be
>RDW
>RG Dinosaurs
>RUG Energy
>UB Pirate aggro
>UBR Revel in Riches control

Right?

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>tfw all the temur energy players found out splashing B for Scarab God is easy as piss to do
Oh god, make it stop.

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If you were to make a deck around a set of these, what cards would you go for?

How UG merfolk looking? Thinking about playing UG merfolk or a stompy deck

>>55413243
Opt
Shock
Lightning Strike
Spell Pierce
Favorable Winds
maybe some card draw like Glimmer or Hieroglyphic if you want to top end the deck with a Locust God.

Looking at limited looks like it favors Gruul.
Black has much more removal than I anticipated, but there's no real hope for good control

Black White looks stylish, but midgame to endgame is going to be overran by dinosaurs
Pirates look like they have a shot at a decent tempo deck, but again, dinosaurs
Merfolk look the worst of them all

What do you guys think? I thinking about prerelease and drafting to get into standard.

>>55413707
>Play prerelease
>"upgrade" prerelease pool of cards to be semi playable in Standard

That's my plan anyway.

>>55411462
I really doubt we'll see Revel in Riches control, you might as well just cut the revel in riches to get better at controlling instead of adding a lot of cards for your win condition.

We have higher chances of seeing some kind of turbo revel in riches deck, maybe even with fogs

Why is ramunap so popular? The card itself is an awful value. 4 mana for 2 damage AND you lose a land? It just seems like a shit card to me.

>>55413848
The value doesn't matter when you're winning games off it. It's reach on a goddamn land. It patches up a big hole in aggro, which is "I got my opponent really low and they stabilized"

Instead of hoping you topdeck some burn, you spend 2 turns and 2 lands to do the final 4 damage. It's a consistent clock, and on a card-type that is very hard to interact with (I think literally only Disallow in standard).

What lands are you comparing this to? Valakut? Valakut is literally fucking broken, not only in Modern but the standard it was printed in. Ramunap is a balanced Valakut.

>>55410015
Because Walk the Plank is a Sorcery. Needed an instant-speed kill spell and not having Red limits my options pretty badly.

>>55413848
>enemy is on 2 life
>you have 4 lands in play and no creatures in play
>draw a burn spell, win
>draw a creature, maybe win
>draw a land, lo- oh no wait you also win with a land
It turns your lategame draws from 1/3 chance of nothing to always deal at least 2 damage if you draw a land

What memebrew should I play? I used to roll an Aetherflux deck but I played Colossuses in it and they're shit now that Hedron Archive rotates. I could upgrade it somehow but I want something new, possibly not treasure related because that looks like shit.

MonoU flyers
Yes or no?
Cards like skyship plunderer, favorable winds, that pirate raid counter from ixalan and glyph keeper

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>>55407791
this is fucking terrible

>>55414578
what's terrible about it

ill play UB Tempo Pirates, dinos a shit

>>55411462
And
>UW Approach
with or without fog

>>55411462
>>55416356
god pharoah's gift

>>55415155
fuck you i'm playing Sultai merfolk

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>>55407654

I think the merfolk engine is gonna revolve around this guy here. It's Oketra's monument for merfolk. I think a curve of metallic mimic into this into herald of secret streams is gonna be your nut draw. The question is where you get the card draw from. I've seen some merfolk lists use growing rites of itlimoc to top out with Tishana, voice of thunder, but I also think the U/G nissa is worth investigating.

Just try and break this enchantment in half, you can do it.

U Favorable Winds
or
UW Favorable winds with Jace and Anointed Procession
or
Monument with Legion Conquistador

I'm going to miss bedlam reveler when it rotates out.
Feels great to drop it with drake haven.

>>55413848
Lmao, i still can't beleive there were people who doubted ramunap before it even came out. How bad can you be not to see it now?

>>55418091
>>55414522
>>55410223
>>55408216

Built a rough draft of a UB flying men/pirates deck earlier. Its not all in on either strategy, just a tempo fliers deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ub-flying-pirates-3/

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>playing Myriarch last night
>get a guy with the 12/12 haste flying vigilance lifelink double strike
>end up going 3-1

>>55418230
EVERYONE said it was shit when it came out.
Because everyone just sees the cost and forgets that it's a land slot and not a spell slot.
Never discount lands that do stuff. Ever. No matter how expensive that thing is. Especially ones that produce colored mana, even at a cost.

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Gimme a cheap deck. £200 or less.

>>55418985
Both temur energy and rumunap red can both be built for that kind of money, both lose almost nothing in rotation, and both are tier 1 decks.

>>55413243
Cathartic Reunion
Strategic Planning
Cryptic Serpent
Crash Through
Fling (haha got em)
Lightning Axe + Fiery Temper (Oh fuck, exit those cards)
Some counterspells
Maybe a Baral or two

Rotation hurts Enigma Drake quite a bit, since we lose LA/FT combo and Bedlam Reveler.

>>55413125

>it's another episode of 4c degeneracy being viable

>>55407317
This will never stop bothering me. 'nonbinary' in the SJW Tumblr sense indicates more than two genders, not less than two. The term for 'we are all the same and don't have gender' is agender. This is one of the most blatant and shallow forms of pandering I've ever seen from WotC. The Myr are also not male or female, but I don't see Maro going off about how progressive these nonbinary metallic gnomes are.

>>55419971
and here i thought my (you) was going to be about the actual game

// 60 Maindeck
// 19 Creature
4 Gifted Aetherborn
4 Sanctum Seeker
4 Vicious Conquistador
3 Mavren Fein, Dusk Apostle
4 Bloodcrazed Paladin

// 8 Enchantment
4 Legion's Landing
4 Cast Out

// 4 Instant
4 Fatal Push

// 24 Land
4 Concealed Courtyard
9 Swamp
7 Plains
4 Unclaimed Territory

// 5 Sorcery
2 Call to the Feast
3 Queen's Commission


// 15 Sideboard
// 2 Creature
SB: 2 Vona, Butcher of Magan

// 2 Enchantment
SB: 2 Arguel's Blood Fast

// 6 Instant
SB: 3 Vraska's Contempt
SB: 3 Skulduggery

// 5 Sorcery
SB: 2 Walk the Plank
SB: 3 Dispossess

I've been doing pretty well with this deck on cockatrice, though I know that isn't saying a lot. It's a wonder how many games go to me just using Adanto, The First Fort at their end step 6 turns in a row before landing sanctum seeker and winning.

I've yet to face anyone actually playing board clears. I'd hope Arguel's Blood Fast, Bloodcrazed paladin, and infinite tokens would be enough to grind through.

>>55405889
Wouldn't be the first time that a planeswalker looks strong but simply doesn't have a home.

//side board time//
Does Solemnity really work against Temur Energy, Pummeler, BG counters and that poor Hapatra?

Are 4 fragmentize too much?
Im a Mummy player and I have to hate the graveyard hate.

>>55420500
No Yahenni? With all the tokens I think he'd be better mainboard over paladin

>>55420500
>lifegain
might as well run the horse thing that makes 5/5 horses

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>standard

>>55421438
>cheaper Wit's End that also ruins any library manipulation they might have done and then throws some minor mill in as an insult (that also sets off any discard triggers you might have going)
Not completely useless, other than the pointless supertype. You'd think something with that name would be less usable at all.
Not useless does not mean 'is good' of course.

>>55421162
Paladin I like better as insurance against board clears and the ability to flash in at their end step. I can try Yahenni but my gut instinct is that if I have enough tokens to make her valuable then I'm probably already winning anyway.

>>55421297
I'm not sure a weenie deck whose curve tops out at 4 wants a 5-mana win more card.

>>55421636
instant too, could be excellent in a limited format with mill theme

>>55421691
>a weenie deck whose curve tops out at 4
it looks like a midrange tokens deck to me
> 5-mana win more card
it wins from any position where you can gain life in the same turn you play it, ie attacking with your tokens

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How come every new RDW has to have a new name? From Rabble Red Boss Sligh to Atarka Red to Rumunap Red. Why not just RDW?

>>55405833
Nowhere currently.

>>55421898
Every RDW is a RDW, but from season to season, to format to another the those titles are used to differntiate one from another.

If I were to use a RDW in modern would you know it's the Rumanap Red or Burn?
You would say burn, but you never know.
Sultai and Boros present the colors in a implicit way, instead UW or Mono-Green present the colors in esplicit way, just like RDW, but sometimes colors aren't enought to diferentiate two decks.

Sorry, what I wrote may make no sense

>>55406228
You should definitely be playing that uncommon Cavern of Souls. Depending on how aggressive you want to be I'd even consider Aether Hub

>>55422203

I'm the same guy as here>>55420500, I added it to the list.

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>>55420999
Pls respond

to those trips

>regisaur alpha is 10 bucks
wingmate roc had evasion and better stats and was a mythic

>>55423658
Roc was also pretty weak in it's season of standard and rarely saw much play as the khans format continued. Alpha is just a decent curvetopper for dinos, who can easily hit it on turn 4.

>>55423658
Doesn't give haste, 3/4 in itself, was overshadowed by other things in khans AND ISN'T A DINOSAUR

>>55423700
>>55423700
dinosaur tribal is going to be a meme deck like mardu dragons was

>>55423792
Dino tribal has way more going for it than mardu dragons, but I think RUG energy/goodstuff will still be the better deck.

How do you guys feel about the Squadron Hawk Vamp? Is he good enough or no

>>55423966
Without evasion or powerful equipment to attach, there's not really a point to it or squadron hawk, is there? Maybe if there was a vampire equipment exactly like that pirate sword that auto attaches

>>55423539
yes, it shuts down all plus and minus counter strategies, energy for players included. gonna be good against merfolk and the new enchantments that flip into lands, might spike up.

fragmitize hits alot of things. might be good if people become too reliant on treasure for ramping and splashing other colors or even as a wincon.

i also am interested in starting to play standard with bw mummies post rotation. got a good list to get started?

>>55423995
Yeah good point. What about with Oketra's Monument, though?

>>55424088
There's synergy, yeah, but the monument is creating 1/1 warriors when vampire tribal only wants to be creating 1/1 vampires. Maybe some sort of aristocrat deck.

>>55413653
Like shit. Weakest tribe out of the four hands down. I doubt they will break out into standard.

Next expansion may or may not change things.

>>55413653
they are going for being more tall than wide by the looks of things.

>>55424711
>go tall theme
>their mythic rewards you for going wide

Godamnit, Wizards

>>55424711
>>55424743
We'll right now I see their gameplan being unblockable with counters and then using Jace's +1 to loot for counters or bounce cards for the threats way bigger than your creatures, but they don't got much besides that

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https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-hard-truths-about-ixalan-standard/

>implying Ixalan isn't a shit, underpowered set

>>55425032
Standard looks like trash but it looks like this set will have a lot of stuff for EDH

>>55417918
>Oketra's monument

If the card had 1 colorless mana cost reduction for merfolks then it could have been cool.

Playing boros humans before it rotates out and looking to pick up a 4th promo fatal push. Grixas Draw go players seem to have wisened up to the matchup a bit. I'm looking for some spicy sideboard tech to give me an edge in the matchup.

>>55425032
Ixalan has no pushed mythics besides maybe Jace. I'm pretty happy with that

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>>55425032
On one hand, it's nice that there are no hugely overpowered mythics and the set has some actual hate and response cards.

On the other, all this is doing is making Kaladesh decks like energy stronger. Temur Energy is going to be unbeatable except for the occasional RDW by sheer tempo alone.

>>55427407
Yeah it's a pretty shitty situation, but if this is the quality we can expect going forward, then I suppose I can suffer a whole year of RUG energy.

turn 1 opt (or anything really)
turn 2 skyship plunderer
turn 3 jace, +1 jace, get in with skyship plunderer, loot and give jace another counter
turn 4 anointed procession, ult jace to get 4 jaces, 1 jace can +1 to set it up again for next turn (assuming plunderer is still alive) and the other three -2 for 6 2/2s on the board

what deck does this combo get jammed into? what else uses tokens in xln standard? esper or uw token maker that sometimes goes off like that?

>>55427574
You're forgetting that the format has Shock, Magma Spray, Lightning Strike, Harnessed Lightning, Unsummon, Spell Pierce, Fatal Push, and several other ways to disrupt that before you even get the Jace down.

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>>55424019
I play esper mummies, but you can try out mine. I still have to understand if Trial of knowledge is good in my deck or not (Opt will do).

https://deckstats.net/decks/76187/803805-racist-mummies-xln

A regular at my LGS is one of the four 7-0 players at the English Nationals. Feels good coming from a meta that can get results.

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>8-0 player on the eng nats stream as the same last name as a guy i went to school with
>google the name
holy shit i went to school with this guy

emphasis on the guy

>>55428842
>emphasis on the guy
I believe you.

>>55428850
like he had a crush on some girl who was out of his league when he was like 13 and she rejected him and he cried for days

also he bashed his head against a wall repeatedly once

>>55428862
This is hardly any news, "women" have been placing at finals and paraded for it for years now.

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will temur energy survive rotation?

>>55428890
i just thought it was interesting that this is the way i found out that someone transitioned

and plays mtg

>>55428906
Yes, and it will only get stronger

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Been modern/edh for thr past five years, want to play standard again because Ixalan looks fun. Can I get a tl;rl on whats it right now, and whats rotating?

Have a want to build treasure esper control with mechanized productions and other dumb alt win cons.

rip zombies

>>55429431
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/standard#paper

Of these, Zombies and Eldrazi will be bye-bye by the rotation. Everything else will stay with little to no modifications.

Also, Naya Dinosaur tribal soon.

Beyond that, no one knows.

>>55429032
How so?

>>55429973
It gets more toys and other decks either get weaker or will cease to exist

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>>55430137
Nice, what do you think will be swapped out? I was considering building it.

Pls tell me I can keep Chandra, Torch of Defiance.

>>55429686
>turbo fog
Welp, back to standard I go!

>>55428842
I remember seeing her at a GP last year and my gut reaction being "Why is that man wearing a dress?"

Fair play if she's happy now but that is not a good look and it's not fooling anyone.

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Should I wait til after rotation to buy Metallic mimics?

>>55428842
got any yearbook photos?

>>55430533
>she

>>55430704
Buy them all NOW.

>>55425032
It's not.
Hazoret is the only thing that's hard to deal with.
Side well for ramunap and you get to play anything.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dom-joins-standard/

rate my meme deck

Dinosaurs seem really fucking pushed, and X-color Energy seems just as gay.

>>55431709
No matter how pushed they are, Glorybringer still fucks dinos in the ass. Being reminded of Glorybringer put me off buying into the temur dinos list I had planned.

>>55406662
This would probably lose hard to any form of ramunap red.

>>55431914
Glorybringer is really good but the dinos can be ramped and given haste. Something will show up surely, and if it doesn't, they will force it further next time.

>>55431709
Dinosaurs are alright both as an element of the block and a creature type. The more pushed thing is Jace, especially when he gets his own PW deck for this block.

Any thoughts on my Treasurezeret ramp?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ixalan-treasure-control-v01/

>>55432051
I'm no pro player, but from what i've seen ways to deal with indestructible creatures is desperately needed now Grasp is gone. I think Tezz and Battle at The Bridge are about to see a lot more play.

>>55430980
I see no dinos and onw of your cute girls is going to leave standard very soon

>>55432051
why not

>>55430149
In the mb I don't think anything will be switched out (unless it still runs deep fiend) then another fatty will take its place
In the Sb they can have that mythic green Dino or some new burn spells. Since the cards aren't out yet it's kind of hard to say what will make it into the deck.
Chandra should be fine tho

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>>55432051
seems like a good idea, i might wanna pick some tezzis up if they are only around three bucks. there is a faster way to ramp, and im using it for a revel in riches booty deck. i think using inspiring sanctuary and such to ramp into revel in riches and start killing things might be a fun plan.

ornithopter(or turn1 slither blade) + dowsing dagger turn two nets you a treasure and three mana land on turn three (after equipping it and dropping a land nets you five open mana for RiR turn three), while they get two chump blockers you can get treasure for later. hell, you could even play more dowsing daggers to get their creature count up to ten then cast hour of revelations with just a lost vale to win the game! there is alot of boardwipes for three mana nowadays (wink wink, nudge nudge). also with inspiring sanctuary you can improvise and sac a treasure or two if needed to spell swindle a big card or HoR(6cmc) for more treasure than you used to cast. of course more riches mean more booty per kill so having a playset might not be a bad idea if you ramp quick enough. vrask makes treasure while killing too and tezz can kill or ramp.

What should I look out for next friday for the prerelease as a new player who played only 3 games?

How do I build a deck with 6 packs? How many cards should I pick?

>>55430734
This is probably the correct prediction considering the amount of tribal in ixalan.

So, how the fuck do I kill a Carnage Tyrant once it hits the board and I don't have at least 6 power to block with?

Is Settle the Wreckage the one reliable way (other than Bontu's Last Reckoning and Hour of Revelation) to kill it for good?

>>55434033
Deathtouch, 6 power, Wrath effects (Bontu's Last Reckoning for example). Take your pick.

>>55434033
Star of Extinction or Doomfall, Star is unplayable though unless you can ramp way faster than your opponent.

>>55433817
Your deck should have 40 cards and no more. You want 17-18 lands and should generally stick to playing only two colours.

Look at the spoilers for Ixalan ahead of time to determine which commons and uncommons are the best in their respective colours and then for look for these cards in your sealed pool. You want to build your deck with the best colours in your pool.

>>55434086
>Look at the spoilers for Ixalan ahead of time to determine which commons and uncommons are the best in their respective colours
How do I understand if a card is good or bad? I already know I definitely can't do it.

>>55433817
Watch videos or/and read articles about the sealed format as a whole
Basic guidelines should get you most of the way there, then it's just individual card evaluation

>>55434140
Remember B.R.E.A.D

B - Bombs. Cards that if unanswered will win you the game. Planeswalkers and Powerful Creatures.

R - Removal. Cards that kill shit, especially your opponent's bombs.

E - Evasion. Cards that can get around clogged board states. Stuff with Flying for example.

A - Aggro. Small, efficient creatures.

D - Dregs. The shit that's left.

Prioritise your cards in that order and you should be golden.

>>55434140
Take a look at ChannelFireball.com, they'll be doing a set review that evaluates the cards. They post an article on each colour every day.

Sealed is one of the more skill-testing formats to play (despite what some players will tell you) but pre-releases are always great fun.

>>55434181
BREAD is quite outdated now (but still good for new players). Quadrant theory is a better method to use when evaluating cards.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/li/quadrant-theory-2014-08-20

>>55434140
Wait till like a couple of days before prerelease then watch/listen to limited resources card rating. They might not be right 100%, but it will give you a good understanding on what's good/not.

It's already one week before prerelease and there's still no vids of stores cracking Ixalan packs. I need my pack cracking fix dammit.

>>55434033
Have Rhonas up to block

>>55434033
Dinosaurs get shit on hard by Fumigate decks.

>>55433817
Keep in mind that limited (draft&sealed) is won and lost on creatures. Don't try and push synergies (especially tempting in sets like this were there's the obvious vampires vs pirates vs dinosaurs vs merfolk) or weird strategies unless you have a bonkers set of cards. A mediocre creature that turns sideways and keeps your opponent from turning their creatures sideways is more often than not better than some corner case instant/sorcery/enchantment.

Removal is incredibly useful, start by looking at which color(s) of cards you got have the most unconditional removal, and see if you have enough creatures in those color(s). If you do, go for that.

Judge cards based on their worst case, not their best case.

In terms of curve, you should have mostly 3-5 mana, and possibly a few 6 or 7 mana spells.

Because this is a pre-release, its much more casual and relaxed. Don't be afraid to ask for help, anyone who isn't a dick will usually be willing to offer advice on specific cards or choices.

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>>55428790
So did he play Temur or Ramunap?

>>55434143
>>55434181
>>55434189
>>55434368
What if I have one or two bombs but no other decent card of that color(s)?
>>55434637
Thanks.

>Keep in mind that limited (draft&sealed) is won and lost on creatures
I noticed that with the prebuilt deck as well.

>>55432297
We have multiple answers, they're just 3 at sorcery speed, or 4 at instant.

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>Deck was 50 tix
>63% win rate over 95 matches
>Get to cock slap people in the face with fling

It's too bad Ixalan is boring shit.

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>>55434817
>What if I have one or two bombs but no other decent card of that color(s)?

Then you need to ask yourself whether you can splash a third colour to play those bombs. For example, if your best colours are blue and white but you've also opened a Scarab God, it's not unreasonable to add a Swamp or two to your deck to be able to cast it as you only need a single black source to cast it.

You can only really add a third or fourth colour if you have lots of fixing. "Fixing" means lands that tap for more than one colour, spells that let you search for lands or creatures/artifacts that tap for any colour of mana. If you have lots of these cards in your pool, adding an extra colour becomes more viable.

The general rule of limited is that a deck with a load of big flashy spells that can't consistently cast those spells is worse than a deck with a lower power level but more consistency.

>>55434817
>What if I have one or two bombs but no other decent card of that color(s)?
This is a common situation, and a common mistake is to try and force those colors. Instead, you should be looking for the colors with the highest concentration of good cards.

If you have 1 or 2 really good cards in a color, and nothing else, you can try "splashing", i.e. including cards of a different color to your main colors, but including some "fixing", i.e. cards that will help you get the mana just for those cards, for example a land that taps for one of your main colors, but also one of your splashing colors, or spells that let you go look for a land, and then include 3 or 4 basic lands of your splash color.

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>>55434891
The flip side to this is that cards with a heavy requirement of a particular colour in their casting cost (like Burning Sun's Avatar) are more difficult to splash because you need more sources of what isn't one of your deck's main colours.

If you're playing a blue-black deck, it would be unwise to try to add Mountains to your deck to cast the Avatar because: A) You need at least three red mana sources in play to cast it, and B) By adding more red mana sources to your deck, you're reducing the number of blue and black sources that you need to cast the rest of your spells - What happens in the games when you have a hand full of blue spells and no blue sources to cast them? You lose.

>>55433817
Some other things

I can't stress this enough:

RARITY DOES NOT MATTER.

Do not even look at the rarity symbols, plenty of rares and mythics are absolute garbage. If you see a rare or mythic with 5+ lines of instructions on it, there's good chance its not going to be good. The rares you want are ones that immediately impact the board, e.g. giving you a powerful creature, removing enemy creatures, drawing lots of cards, or somehow crippling your opponent's ability to play the game.

Don't be afraid of cards which make you discard, especially if those cards also make you draw first (The slang for this is called "looting"). A lot of new players seem to have an aversion to this, don't fall into that trap. Being able to get a new card, and get rid of the worst card in your hand is often the right move.

>>55434817
>>55434891
>>55434947

One thing to add to all this is that with the Treasure mechanic, fixing is readily available in this set, so splashing for bombs really isn't out of the picture.

>>55434958
Rarity does matter to an extent. Rare cards will usually have powerful and unique effects and the best cards in any given set will mostly be rares.

The downside is that some rares are so bad that they're unplayable. A rare like Revel in Riches has a cool effect, but it's completely unreasonable to ever expect to have enough Treasure tokens in play to win a game with it. This means that you're spending five mana and card to do nothing.

>>55434891
>>55434896
How much time are you normally given to build the deck?
The event is gonna start at midnight and I'll finish working at 10, I'm gonna be tired as fuck, hope I'll be able to concentrate enough.

>>55434958
I know, I'm new to playing, not collecting.

The only thing I'm afraid of is not being able to tell what's the worst card under the circumstances of that time.

>>55435049
You'll be given half an hour to open your packs and build your deck.

What I like to do is open all of my packs and sort them by colour, then go through each colour and remove cards that are too bad to play or are for the sideboard (such as cards that destroy artifacts or enchantments).

Then I'll look at what's left for each colour and work out which colours have highest number of average or better cards. I'll also look for bomb cards that will win games by themselves as these are an active draw to a colour.

>>55435042
Yes, the best cards are usually rare, but many new players take the reverse and assume that rare cards are better by being rare. My point was that you should ignore the rarity and look at the cards as individuals.

>>55435049
IIRC deck building is 30 minutes, with 40 minutes per best-2-out-of-3 round.

In terms of finidng the worst card, the quadrant theory the others posted is usually the best way to think about it, tl;dr: Does this help me if I'm loosing or at a stalemate? If yes, its a good card. If it only works if you're already at an advantage, maybe steer clear of it.

This Thursday, the Limited Resources podcast should have their review of all of the commons/uncommons up, give that a listen when you have some time, and that should give you a decent idea of how to proceed.

>>55434033
why has no one mentioned edicts

doomfall and the black trial

So has ANYONE figured out a Revel in Riches build yet?
Tried Turbo Fog with it, but that just feels like a worse Approach Turbo Fog, Grixis Control, but that just feels like Grixis Control, losing good control cards for Treasure support, general Treasure Pirates, which were ultimately just throwing chump blockers into the way to hopefully stall long enough and a Dimir Drakes build that had Marauding Looter and the Treasure stuff added, but that didn't have nearly enough kill spells to get stuff off of Revel and won most games from having Vraska or Drake Haven out and snowballing from there.

I really want to be a scurvy pirate and throw tokens through the room when I win, god dammit.

>>55435168
>edicts
>when there's always going to be at least an Otepec or smaller Dinosaur on-board too

>>55435217
so kill the small dinosaur first

it's a 6 mana creature, you should be able to double spell

>>55435217
Last time i saw the card, Carnage Tyrant doesn't have 'when Carnage Tyrant is on the battlefield, you always have Otepec or smaller Dinosaur on the battlefield too.' ability.

>>55435510
The big 6 drop creature, in a deck full of similar creatures and creatures that let you play those big creatures faster, will always come down on an empty board.

>play fumigate
>don't care about dinosaurs

>>55435813
>gas the dinos, magic war now

>>55434207
>The person I get to listen to the most when it comes to Limited, though, is my podcasting cohost, Brian Wong. For those who don't know him, Brian is a bit of an enigma from the Pacific Northwest Magic scene. He's a world-class Limited player but doesn't enjoy traveling to tournaments, so he stays relatively unknown on the professional Magic circuit.

Literally autism.

>>55435666
Your opponent will wait until you have your big 6 drop fatty before interacting with your board.

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>>55413243
Here is a very cheap deck (1Tix) that works very well for what I've seen.
I stomped some tier 1 decks but it has some problems once the surprise effect is over and some Grasps of Darkness or Hour of Destruction appear.

Questions for pre-release
Do I keep all 6 packs?
Does the shop provide basic lands or are they included in the pre-release pack?
Can I just get my pack and go?

>>55436521
Yes.

>>55436521
Yes to all.