[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / bant / biz / c / can / cgl / ck / cm / co / cock / d / diy / e / fa / fap / fit / fitlit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mlpol / mo / mtv / mu / n / news / o / out / outsoc / p / po / pol / qa / qst / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / spa / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vint / vip / vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y ] [Search | Voyeur Cams | Click for more| Home]

EDH Commander Elder Highland Dragon whatever

This is a blue board which means that it's for everybody (Safe For Work content only). If you see any adult content, please report it.
Voyeur Cams

Thread replies: 469
Thread images: 26

File: 1446665518711.png (195KB, 265x370px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1446665518711.png
195KB, 265x370px
What the fuck am I even casting edition

>RESOURCES

http://www.mtgcommander.net
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.

http://www.tappedout.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.

http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.

http://manabasecrafter.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.

CARD SEARCHING

http://gatherer.com
>Official search site. Current for all sets but has a terrible UI.

http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface.
>>
I wish new Ezuri was better.
>>
I wish RW got something interesting.
>>
>>43466197
He's perfect to replace Vorel, which was getting stale, and I couldn't get enough value out of him most of the time.
>>
I wish both BW commanders weren't shit
>>
>>43466212
You silly gooze, neither white nor red can get fun things! Only green and blue are allowed to have nice things.
>>
>>43466242
nigga, the green-black girl is pretty fucking nice.
>>
I wish autism get cured one day.
>>
>>43466242
BG got the best commanders this time.
>>
File: $_12.jpg (54KB, 353x500px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
$_12.jpg
54KB, 353x500px
>>
>>43466236
Only Daxos has been revealed.
>>
>>43466268
>>43466261
Sh-She's green.
>>
>>43466261
>>43466268

Both have green in it....
>>
>>43466242

>red mage babbies shitting up another thread before it even begins

>>43466236

Only one's been spoiled and he's fine.

>>43466261

She's fantastic.
>>
>>43466166
what a suprise blue gets extremely powerful color-breaking card
>>
>>43466292
blue doesn't really have anything amazing this time 'round. The new Commandeer is kinda cool, but everything else is either fringe or not amazing.
>>
>>43466308
Daxos is straight up trash, BW enchantress is not a thing and never will be
>>
>Commander, where the color pie goes to die.
>>
>>43466322
>Color breaking
how fucking new are you?
>>
GUYS I NEED THIS IN MY LIFE BUT HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I WANT TO DO! I started with a sort of kinda Edric build with unblockable creatures and making them large but... I don't know what to do. Quality Simic creatures and CHoof em? Hmmm
>>
>>43466345
It's ok when it's green
>>
Lorwyn did nothing wrong.
>>
>>43466333
I don't think the BW enchantress support is that bad personally.

But Daxos is pretty fucking shit. Maybe the hardest of the cycle to get counters on with a pretty negligible payoff.
>>
I'm glad they at least acknowledged Kamigawa existed with Kaseto.

Sakura-Tribe Elder reprint please.
>>
As someone who's running Karador currently, I'm pretty excited for the GB and BW commanders.
>>
>>43466359
Build regular Edric
then take Edric out and put him in the 99
then put Ezuri in as the Commander

Done.
>>
>>43466370
Theros did nothing wrong
>>
>>43466359
put edric into the 99, make ezuri your commander
there you're done
>>
Since the face commanders are coming with new cards featuring their relevant mechanics, what are the odds Daxos might give us a constellation card that's actually playable?

>>43466396
Theros did everything wrong. Fuck Theros.
>>
In unrelated to Commander news, Travis Woo got fired from channelfireball for talking about the Holocaust, the Jews, Hitler, and saying the Jews kind of deserved it.
>>
>>43466416
>Constellation
>Playable
pick one
>>
>>43466359
How is he blue? Are counters just inherently GU now?
>>
>>43466328
>>Synthetic Destiny gets previewed
>> Blue got nothing good

You what mate? My roulette wheel of destiny deck freaking loves this shit!
>>
>>43466394
>>43466399

But that feels so kinda boring. I dont want to just take a deck that already exists and switch the commander I wanna brew it up!
>>
>>43466418
Jesus christ, source?
>>
>>43466390
I like the idea of Junk enchantress w/ anafenza, run hate bears and hate/lockdown enchantments.
>>
>>43466418
I swear next wizards is gonna ask to look at your criminal history before giving you a dci card. Think of the children
>>
>>43466428
I guess so. Shares it with black and blue now.
>>
>>43466416
Nope, Theros did nothing wrong.
>>
>>43466428
He's blue because lore. Captured by Jin-Gitaxias and compleated.

>>43466447
Check channelfireball's facebook page.

Also, here: https://twitter.com/traviswizard
>>
>>43466418
>its real
My fucking sides.
>>
>>43466437
they're the same cards
play every small flyer
receive wins
ezuri just trades card advantage for damage

if your local meta is quite controlling and fond of wrathing the board, go with edric
else go with ezuri
>>
>>43466462
That's disappointing. I guess I don't feel so bad thinking he's really boring now.
>>
Theros had amazing flavor, bretty gud art, but such shit mechanics (as in overcosted, rare, or useless depending on which one). Plus the whole ENCHANTMENTS ARE AMAZING thing then ended up... not having many enchantments that were good
>>
>>43466359
>>43466359
>>43466359
Have people not noticed that he triggers with token creatures as well?

You will be able to make some gigantic creatures with this. This is the agressive U/G commander I've been wanting, too bad about the degenerate sage of hours shit that everyone will do.
>>
>>43466235
Vorel is about doubling counters on artifacts, not creatures.
>>
Man, i was really hoping R/W would get something cool. I might force R/W anyways, to be completely honest.
I think the only thing i got out of this set was cool toys for shattergang and I might build G/U snake tribal
>>
>>43466428
You ever heard of Ravnica?
>>
File: sad.jpg (91KB, 300x338px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
sad.jpg
91KB, 300x338px
>>43466370
I wanted the B/G commander to be Colfenor...
>>
>>43466510
So far I have unblockable creautres and a few one drop fliers but I want more. So far I've put in like master biomancer and POK and oracle of muldaya just like sweet Simic shit.
>>
>>43466525
>amazing flavor
Theros' "flavor" was an uninspired copy/paste of pop-culture Greek mythology. The most interesting parts of the whole thing were the Returned, Phenax, Kruphix and the leonin civilization, because these were the only things that were original.
>>
>>43466542
I have found a home for Fable of Wolf and Owl!
>>
>>43466359
Make it bant and cast Storm Herd
>>
File: CS_sLjBWsAAPdor.png (303KB, 449x666px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
CS_sLjBWsAAPdor.png
303KB, 449x666px
And here's one of the amazing responses after Woo's stream. Sorry that this is unrelated but it's just such a weird situation.

>>43466525
Devotion was okay, they fucked up Constellation entirely by introducing it too late and on too few cards, Tribute was garbage, Monstrous was okay, Bestow was fine, Heroic spawned a Standard deck, and Inspired had no impact. So mechanically it was pretty shit.

Disappointing that R&D was so scared of fucking up again like they did with Artifact Lands that we never got even a single Enchantment Land.
>>
>>43466566
So what you're saying is that Theros flavor was amazing.
>>
>>43466551
Yeah, but counters were a green thing before blue came into the picture. It's just not as satisfying for me to have a GU creature that only deals in counters and not some other ability that's just "more blue." but I was never a big fan of simic anyway.
>>
>>43466556
No, you are going to get more Ravinca and Theros and you are going to like it.

At least Kamigawa got some love.
>>
>>43466359
Cast UG value dudes ala Witness, Muldrifter, Coiling Oracle with some zany bullshit like Sage of Hours and you have a decent deck.
>>
>>43466566
>Leonin
only if you're a furry
>>
>>43466604
So far I got all that. I just wanted to see if my fellow brewers had anything really spicy
>>
>>43466566
>the flavor was bad
>The flavor that was good was the flavor

ok then anon
>>
>>43466592
Devotion came from Lorwyn bro.
>>
whats a god commander if i want to cast lots of flying creatures with flash
>>
>>43466592
This stupid mother fucker doesn't understand that you can entertain an idea without accepting it as true? What is this "heroin of the mind" shit?
>>
>>43466645
Devotion is a fixed Chroma, not Chroma itself.
>>
>>43466592
What I got from that response:

>jews are not the analyzers people make them out to be
>Woo poisoned his mind by reading a book and entertaining ideas of the other side's story
>don't do heroin
>>
>>43466377

>pretty negligible payoff

paying 3 mana to shit out X/X tokens that get stronger with the amount of enchantments you play doesn't seem "negligible" to me. He's like Luminarch Ascension, except that you can play constantly and that gets better throughout the game.
>>
>>43466592
>oy vey

That aise, devotion was good but I feel like they're gonna cop out and either:
a) not use it again because of muh god flavor or
b) use it as an excuse to revisit theros.
>>
File: ridicule.jpg (202KB, 1000x1000px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
ridicule.jpg
202KB, 1000x1000px
>>43466525
>>43466593

It's actually hilarious how bad it is.

>the Theriad
>mfw

10/10 imagination there Wizards. I can't wait for flavor text referencing the "Theroddyssey" in the return block.
>>
>>43466437

Don't forget to run Avenger of Zendikar.
>>
>>43466592
The guy in the pic sounds like a moron with "Ideas are like drugs, you may never encounter them".
How you get in contact with such ideas is more important for that stuff.
>>
>>43466684
It's bad because it's derivative?
>>
File: 1363126499288.png (273KB, 400x304px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1363126499288.png
273KB, 400x304px
>>43466702
Oh thats so gross oh my goodness.
>>
Do we have a release date set for the new commander products? I'm definitely picking up the G/B and W/B decks.
>>
>>43466328

Blue's gotten it's share of decent shit. I like the new "counterspell" that takes control of a spell in particular.
>>
>>43466702
And Master of Waves.
>>
>>43466644
>>43466593
The parts of the flavor that got little focus? Yeah.
>>
>>43466739
>Commandeer wasn't printed 7 years ago
>>
>>43466735
Friday the 13th.
>>
>Equip Blade of Selves to Reaper King
>>
File: 200_s.gif (30KB, 192x200px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
200_s.gif
30KB, 192x200px
>>43466800
>>
>>43466757

It's a commandeer that works on creature spells and costs less, and gives you an extra commandeer.

Seems fine to me!
>>
>>43466778
Really? Fuck, with spoilers just coming out I thought it'd be a month before release. We don't even have decklists and its 9 days away!
>>
>>43466817
Are you going to ever stop bitching about blue?
>>
>>43466702
And Hornet Queen.
>>
File: $_12 (1).jpg (46KB, 353x500px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
$_12 (1).jpg
46KB, 353x500px
>>
>>43466800
>Clone Blade of Self with Masterwork of Ingenuity

I so wanna try Godotron with these two.
>>
>>43466852
>>43466745

Yes! This is wanted I wanted! Auto-fucking-slammed into this deck
>>
>>43466800
Mirror Gallery is my favorite jank card in Reaper King.
>>
>>43466844

I'm not bitching about blue. When I say the spell "Seems fine to me!" I mean it seems like it's worth playing and I'm glad it's being printed, and it's definitely a cool new card blue is getting.

I also like Mirror match and the Flash Cat.
>>
>>43466853
Kill yourself tripfag
>>
>>43466724
To put it bluntly, yes, because it's blatantly so. It should take inspiration from mythology, not copy and paste it then change a few words.
>>
>>43466800
How many things does that blow up? 4?
>>
File: $_12 (2).jpg (56KB, 353x500px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
$_12 (2).jpg
56KB, 353x500px
>>
>>43466829
Chances are full spoilers are up on Friday. We did have them quite late this year.

Though I wouldn't mind if they take longer, gives me time to charge my mkm account so that I can preorder stuff before prices spike.
>>
>>43466903
Means that the good stuff is left mostly intact instead of changed to something potentially worse.
>>
>>43466884
As a guy who does not enjoy playing blue apart from cheating out krakens, I can tell you that flash cat is sick as fuck. Easily one of my favorite cards in the set. Think it'll be in Mizzix or Ezuri?
>>
File: $_12 (3).jpg (58KB, 353x500px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
$_12 (3).jpg
58KB, 353x500px
>>
>>43466904
Depends on the number of players. Four for a 4 player game, 9 for a 5 player, 16 for a 6 player, etc.
>>
>>43466921
It means the good stuff is left to stagnate instead of changed into something potentially better.
>>
>>43466903
I agree. I'd rather have some long forgotten God that's a homage to Koios, the titan no one knows a fuck about, then some notZeus or notHades.
>>
>>43466967
In other words, the good stuff is left as is.
>>
>>43466817
>what is spelljack
>>
>>43466949
Wouldn't each copy see each other come into play? Getting 4 kalastria healer via rally the anchestors has 4 triggers on each of 4 creatures and drains for 16.

So in four player commander, you get 2 etb triggers on 3 creatures, at five 3 etb triggers on 3 creatures, etc.
>>
>>43467054
They come into play at the same time, the clone Kings see each other while the original King sees the two clones.
>>
>>43466992
Except it's worse, because it's derivative and lazy. You might as well go read some Rick Riordan, or better yet real Greek Mythology.
>>
>>43466929

It's uncommon so it'll be in both.

>>43467034

Doesn't work on uncounterable spells. This one costs less U and works on uncounterable spells, so it's still different and worth printing.
>>
>>43467054
The clones dont see themselves, and/or there is not a clone created for the original player you are attacking.

There are only 2 clones created in a 4 player game, which each get 2 triggers.
>>
Hopefully this is in all decks
>>
>>43467077
Something that is left as is isn't worse. You could argue that it's lazy, yes, but you can't really say it's worse.
>>
>>43467138
>Rare

It won't be.
>>
>>43466939
Wait...
LEMONFONT?!?
>>
>>43467138
Pretty useless for my Marath deck and Prossh players though honestly
>>
>>43467188
How?

Sure Marath is smaller and Prosh creates fewer tokens, but at some point mana might be better spent and you just need your commander.
>>
>>43467178
shit forgot to take off my trip,
yeah, a guy on ebay has listed some cards (mostly reprints) from C15.

Though they haven't been spoiled anywhere else...
Trying to find out if he knows anymore
>>
>>43467218
any good reprints?
>>
>>43467218
They're in WIzard's Facebook and we've known for a few days already.
>>
>>43467218
More shapeshifter please
>>
>>43467218
I swear 1 reprint in each deck got spoiled on the mothership

Also keep up that art my man, your stuff's real good
>>
>>43467149
>>43467138
>It's in RW to force people to buy all the shitty cards
>>
>>43467242
oh nm, then.
>>
>>43467273
>implying I wasn't planning on building the new RW giant
>>
>>43467276
Incidentally, what board were you on using a trip? /d/?
>>
File: Swells.png (196KB, 602x683px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
Swells.png
196KB, 602x683px
>>43466359
Mana elves.
2 or less power ETB.
Don't forget Blighted Agent and Looter il-Kor!
Whirler Rogue.
Avenger of Zendikar/Craterhoof top end.
>>
>>43467273
I was planning on buying the RW one as soon as Gisela was spoiled.
And Anya too.

Fuck Kalemne, though. I'd burn her but I don't like doing things like that.
>>
>>43467302
probably /aco/ or maybe /d/?
I rarely post, I just lurk.
>>
>>43467288
Don't be a pleb, at least play Stoutarm
>>
>>43467387
Draws too much hate
>>
>>43467288

I was actually looking forward to RW the most, but compared to the other decks it's just really dissappointing so far.

I mean fuck beaters, I run Mardu tokens. I get more damage and power by just shitting out creatures with Gisa/Cathar's Crusade/Purphoros/Brutal Horderchief out.

>>43467336
>Not using a re-cut oversized Gisela for cheap play in your playgroup
>>
>>43467375
Keep making the good porns
>>
THERE IS STILL HOPE FOR B/W RIGHT GUYS?!
>>
File: 1434320353952.jpg (85KB, 435x571px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1434320353952.jpg
85KB, 435x571px
>>43466166
>>
>>43467446
Red and White only really overlap with combat mechanics. Beyond that they have some overlap with destroying artifacts and caring about equipment, but nothing really cohesive enough
>>
>>43467544

I think an equipment deck would have been cool but I don't mind the idea of "red/white fatties" either. I'll wait till Isee the full lists to cry about how much the deck sucks.
>>
>>43467499
Go Abzan or go home.

>getting both experience commanders running
>Recast gods/archetypes, sac shit to Ashnod's and shit out huge Vigilance Firststrike Deathtouch Trample tokens.
>>
>>43467499
There was never hope
>>
>>43467499
B/W is probably getting a fair share of the FUCK EVERYTHING cards coming out, such as >>43466853
Probably
>>
>>43467544
Red and white also have Small creatures in common, and anthem effects. There is more that could have been done.
>>
God damn it WotC, fucking spoil ghost dad already.
>>
>>43467499

You'll get a fixed Necropotence that scales with Devotion
>>
>>43466166

I'm getting a little annoyed by all those expensive combat tricks. They're basically forcing you to play either combo or something like Ezuri/Edric Infect with a bunch of unblockable creatures and card advantage.
>>
>>43467499
We have one last hope in the Obzidat commander. But Daxos is utter trash.

>>43467587
>anthem effects

What? You thinking green mate.
>>
>>43467594
I hope is is good, I hope he blows all of us away with the spooky.

>>43467608
white is full of anthem effects mate.
>>
>>43466929
As I understand it, uncommons are in each deck of their colours. So, both.
>>
>>43467606
Snake guy will be better then new Ezuri for Infect.

Besides we already have Aetherize, what else could they do at 4 mana?

At least this is funny when you trade everything and get a ton of etb triggers.
>>
>>43467605
If it means I can run two necros i'm fine with that
>>
>>43466359

Man, Whirler Rogue is a beat with this guy.
>>
>>43467608
No, I quite like the new Daxos. There are plenty of good enchantments to use with him.
>>
>>43467544
Equipment deck would have been nice, or some "Army" theme.

Would have loved if we had gotten some caring for your comrades stuff. Stuff like Spellskite for spells that target another creature you control, retaliating for one of your creature dying, that sort of stuff.

And obviously Bushido. It's god damn time that they make a new keyword for it.
>>
>>43467618
No shit, but Red doesn't.
>>
>>43467138
Why is it rare? Command tower is common, so why make it rare if it's only available from the new decks.

"Oh wow guys, it's rare, that means you might not pull it in your new commander decks! :^OOOOO"
>>
>>43467608
>anthem effects
>not a white thing
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/321525-comprehensive-list-of-soldier-anthem-effects

there are some artifacts mixed in, but it is mostly white.
>>
Myr Ezuri anon from last thread here, put together a something: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ezuri-artifacts/

Living Destiny is placeholder for Synthetic Destiny.
>>
>>43467649
It's Rare to establish that only one pre-con will have it and the fact that it manipulates a zone that was otherwise untouchable outside of outright casting your Commander.
>>
>>43467646
The Idea of B/W enchantments has always been great. Problem is Daxos himself is weak. Sure you can keep with his theme but compared to the other commanders, he's really really bad. Like it's heartbreaking how piss poor he is.
>>
>>43467648
>>43467650
>>43467646
again It's always been White, but it's not a red thing.
>>
Some guy was talking about Kazuul last night. I looked him up and God damn he looks mad fun. How do I build with him? Control/land destruction?
>>
>>43467647
I wanted a red-white samurai lord, but instead we got more battle angels and giants
>>
>>43467648
>What are Goblins and their "goblins get x"

It is tribal, but it is an anthem.
>>
>>43467681

why

why is he so bad

because he cheaply shits out an army of huge tokens like luminarch ascension?

so, so bad i know
>>
>>43467608
Red gets several anthem effects when it's a RW or hybrid card, frequently split by the colours of the affect creatures.

On it's own, red has some that only boost strength.
>>
>>43467701
You're never getting more samurai. Well, not until the ham set at least. :^)
>>
>>43467717
he'd be less shit if one of two things were diffrent.

His ability costed BW, not BW1
He Costed BW, not BW1
>>
>>43467714
Blue has Merfolk, Black has Zombies, Green has Saprolings/Elves.

Everyone has tribal lords.
>>
>>43467714
Tribal anthems are kinda in every colour. Even in artifacts with obelisk of urd and adaptive automaton.

>>43467701
I really liked the idea of RW angels when I was new to the game. Then I saw the cards and they were just kinda lame.
>>
>>43467701
This would have been cool as fuck
>>
>>43467758

yeah i know if only you could shit out armies of creature tokens that gain permanent power every time you play an enchantment for slightly less mana he'd be not "total shit"

seriously the card is fine, quit being such a baby
>>
>>43467765
>Lords
There are a lot of Goblin enchantments too mates. Also, there are a few "creatures have haste/first strike/ ect ect"

Red has anthem effects mate.
>>
>>43467034
What is Cavern of Souls
What is Boseju, Who Shelters All
>>
>>43467681
Daxos is in excellent pillowfort colors combined any number of creature protections that B/W offers, one would think you would build up a fort before or after bringing him out and then shit out tokens.
That's just me though
>>
>>43467810
>What is greentext
>>
>>43467717
Cause he needs to be on the flied for 4 different enchantments being cast, and then you need 3 mana per creature.

all of this without him being removed. Or your spending a fuck ton of mana.

Too much mana for too small of an ability.
>>
>>43467815

I don't blame you. People are just looking for shit to complain about.

It reminds me of last year when everyone thought Daretti was going to suck.
>>
>>43467717
Except you have to jump through meant more hoops then luminarch ascension and he is much more easily removed
>>
>>43467135
The clones each see each other come in. The original sees all the clones come in.
>>
>>43467806
It's not common at all tho.

Black has Bad Moon, guess black white and red are the three anthem colors aren't they?
>>
>>43467847
>>43467851
these.

He has not real power other than "lol a piddly enchantment creature every now and then"
>>
senpai
>>
>>43467815
But you only get Experince counters with him out.
>>
>>43467847

It's not like B/W is the best pillowfort strategy out there or anything.

>>43467851

Luminarch Ascension isn't exactly hard to remove or stall either, and the payoff with him is much much greater since the tokens are stronger AND enchantments (meaning they trigger things like Sigil of the Empty Throne or Constellation cards).
>>
>>43467336
Why are you people so excited about Gisela? Why do you not already have her if you like her so much?
>>
>>43467872
>not that common
I've got decked builder up right now and there are about 25 cards that are not strictly goblins.

Look mate, red has anthem effects, powerful ones at that. All right.
>>
>>43467902
I'm saying it's harder to kill the Commander if you have some Fort up rather than playing him and then trying to vomit out your hand faster than removal
>>
>>43467928
Are they general anthems of tribal ones
>>
So, in non-spoiler news, what's the sekret tek for Daghatar?

I know I should be using Anafenza instead, but I'm too stingy to buy her now. I'll wait for Tarkir to rotate out so I can pick up her promo version cheaper.
>>
>>43467908
It's not. You're thinking of W/U/B

>>43467908
3 mana for a 1/1 or stronger creature without flying.

Or 2 mana for a 4/4 with flying.

Hmm, I wonder which one is stronger.

Worse yet is Black ramp only makes more black mana, and you need both white and black for this.
>>
>>43467965
but that is wrong.
>>
>>43467951
So you use up all of your enchantments before playing the creature that wants you to play enchantments. Seems good
>>
>>43467974
Yeah, its almost as if you want a land that makes loads of white mana in your enchantment deck....

I like him, but he is pretty fucking slow going.

Beat playing more generic Teysa and "ebin ghost jews XD" shit like a nigger though.
>>
>>43467951
True. And I agree with you. My issue is that he as a commander doesn't measure up to the other options.

The other commanders offer much more, much quicker and that's the big problem.

Given enough time then yeah he'll do alright, but we don't have the time.
>>
>>43466904
(n-1)*(n-2) where n is the number of players
2 for 3 players, 6 for 4 players, 12 for 5 players.
>>
>>43467974

>1/1 or stronger

that scale infinitely into the end of the game? If you play 5 encahntments out, they're 5/5s that trigger constellation, sigil of the empty throne, etc.
>>
So G/B is very clearly the best of the pre-cons just from what we've seen so far. How would you go about building Meren? Just G/B goodstuff.dek?
>>
>>43467988
>>43467928

Again Lord effects.


>>43468012
>Yeah, its almost as if you want a land that makes loads of white mana in your enchantment deck

Man if they print Seras Sanctum in the deck I might reconsider, but that's about it.
>>
>>43468041
two of the G/b Commanders are solids and two of the G/U commanders are solid.

Go Green?
>>
>>43467969
Cathar's Crusade, Twilight Dover, Human Mikaeus, Hangarback, various Hydras, Ashnod's.

And obviously Doubling Season/Primal Vigor.
>>
>>43468036
Daxos and Sigil of the Empty Throne trigger off casting not entering the battlefield so nope it's not that hot.

They will only be as big as the number of enchantments you cast with Daxos out, that's a very very large mana investment for eventually slightly stronger lacking evasion Angles.
>>
>>43468051
nigga, you ain't gonna make me list them, but there are anthem effects that grant first strike, double strike, haste, +1/0 when attacking, trample.

Red has a lot of non tribe anthem effects, just look on gatherer ffs.
>>
>>43468051
>Man if they print Seras Sanctum in the deck I might reconsider, but that's about it.

What? Are you some kind of poor fag trying to talk about competitive magic while not being able to buy a card that costs less than a fetch?
>>
>>43468041
GB sac tokens for goodstuff.
Or go Sultai for mass token pump with Ezuri. And zombie snakes.
>>
>>43468041
>>43468066
I'd argue Snake lord is much gonna be stronger then Ezuri.


>>43468116
Oh you're talking about enchantments, not Anthems. Carry on then have fun.
>>
>>43467969
I honestly don't think Daghatar is worse than Anafenza as a commander, she's pretty underwhelming. You want some real straight up better commanders, there's Karador and Ghave, those guys are busted. Anyway I like Kalonian Hydra and Champion of Lambholt
>>
File: food for thought.jpg (38KB, 533x458px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
food for thought.jpg
38KB, 533x458px
>>43468003
Yes I will use all 99 of my enchantments before I cast my commander

>>43468021
Yes, compared to the other 4 in a vacuum Daxos is the weakest, however if you're playing him you have to consider your local meta, their speed, number of board wipes, what's in your 99, etc.

When he hits the field no one is going to to "Oh shit." But arguably "Oh shit" has never been B/W's strong point, it's always been the long game, which is where Daxos will shine.
>>
>>43468145
Ezuri is going to win games with a huge thrumming bird and it's going to make me laugh my ass off when people die to it.

I kinda want to do something with the Kraul guy but I have no idea where to really start.
>>
>>43468145
>has no idea what an "anthem effect" is
>>
>>43468145
That's just clearly wrong. Ezuri gets out of hand super quick and has ridiculous synergy with a lot of cards. Snake lord is just Thassa but with green and support for a low power level tribe. Not saying snake tribal isn't fun, but it's not powerful.
>>
>>43468117
What kind of Competitive magic decks are running Sanctum? Enchantments are too slow for competitive magic.

I'm talking from the prospect of buying a deck for it's commander to have fun with them. Daxos won't stand a chance in a competitive environment and he doesn't look to even be enjoyable in a laid back environment.
>>
Maren and Mazirek are getting slotted into my Prossh deck. Both are ridiculous cards, as part of the 99 and as Commanders.
>>
>>43468117
What reason would he have had to buy if he didn't already play an enchantment deck?
Why would he have bought the entire precon if he already had an full W/x Enchantment deck? Singles would be cheaper.
>>
>>43468041
The izzet dude looks really good. I'd argue he's better
>>
>>43468199
>What kind of Competitive magic decks are running Sanctum?

Enchantress in Legacy. You fucking stupid or something?
>>
>>43467648
They've Orcish Oriflame and probably a few others but those are knock offs.
>>
>>43468199
Zur and Oloro stax you fucking casual scum.
>>
>>43468175
>Yes, compared to the other 4 in a vacuum Daxos is the weakest, however if you're playing him you have to consider your local meta, their speed, number of board wipes, what's in your 99, etc.

My problem is that I do have a somewhat competitive meta and he won't work there.

The G/U and G/B commanders are the only ones who look like they have a shot.

>When he hits the field no one is going to to "Oh shit." But arguably "Oh shit" has never been B/W's strong point

I've been waiting for a long time for a strong B/W commander. I have yet to get one.
I have one last hope in the new member of the Obzidat.
>>
>>43468221
I think hes the 2nd best of the cycle , but Meren provides value without exp counters, provides amazing value with exp counters, costs the same and has better stats.
>>
>>43468238
I thought enchantress shifted to Leylines in the last couple of years. I mean, they both run sanctum, but I'm just curious
>>
>>43468182
>>43468194

I'd argue unblockable anything plus Commander pumps to be stronger, but I digress.
>>
>just reread Meren and saw you get the card to your hand if you don't have enough counters
Jesus fucking christ, was that necessary?
>>
>>43468280
I don't know about one shifting into the other because I don't keep up too much with Legacy or its meta, all I know is that there's at least two decks in Legacy that run Sanctum as a 4-of almost 100% of the time.
>>
>>43468238
Oh am I in a legacy thread? I must have miss clicked. I could have swore I opened the EDH thread.
>>
>>43468263
>waiting for a competitive bw commander
>is hoping for funny jew ghosts to be good
>thinks kraul guy of shitty anthems is good enough for competitive magic at all, or that slow recursion lady is going to just hit play and die before she ever gets to trigger.

Teysa and Selenia have existed for ages if you want half way competitive commander for orzhov.
>>
>>43468327
>what competitive decks run this card
>these
>those don't count

Also check this out, dumb faggot >>43468255
>>
>>43468300
Big kick in the nuts for Daxos.
>>
I don't think it'll be good but I actually love the direction they took with RW. Both of the new Commanders give you a good Commander damage out while encouraging you to build with a different gameplan from the typical Voltron or token strategies found in the colour combination.

I think it'd be pretty fun to build a Kalemne deck that just spits out a fatty every turn to try and demand answers. I'd rather go Tariel or Zurgo for anything Anya would do but she's an interesting take on a finisher.
>>
>>43466939
Are those reprints confirmed? I was gonna buy just Mizzix but it seems the deck will have a bunch of other singles I was gonna pick up anyway.
>>
>>43466592
>Thinking is dangerous goyim, it's like drugs!
/pol/ is right again.
>>
>Green comes out on top again

Green the Gathering.
>>
>>43468335

If we are talking purely commpettive then non can be used, no shit.

They aren't even close to top tier.

That's why I'm bringing up the power level of the set.

>>43468349
Well I'm not talking about Legacy dumb ass, I'm talking about Commander.

Zur and Olorlo are both banned in Dual and in multiplayer they aren't even top tier.

You found two decks that use Sanctum, two decks that aren't winning anything in multiplayer tournaments, or are just outright not playable in the only truly commpettive commander format.
>>
>>43468147
Ghave is too combo-centric for my liking.
Karador is indeed a really good choice but he's not in Forge for whatever reason, so I can't test the deck before I build it.
>>
>>43468384
Yeah, it's up on mothership.
>>
>>43468440
>competitive commander format

Listen to yourself.
Realize how stupid you sound.
And stop.
>>
>>43468335
I've never seen any Selenia deck, let alone a competitive one. What does it do?
>>
>>43468458
You can suck my balls mate. If you don't think dual is competitive then you can suck my salty nuts.
>>
>>43468147
Anafenza's appeal is really just that it's graveyard hate on demand.

Sometimes you don't care much about your Commander so you just end up picking something that rounds out your deck or provides a passable answer to problems. I've got like, a dozen different builds that I end up using Tasigur in even when I'm not using all the Sultai colours.
>>
>>43467499
No, Jund nigress stole our reanimation.
Ever since fucking Golgari showed it's rotten faces, they've forgotten BW are the colors of reanimation.
>>
>>43468440
>two decks that aren't winning anything in multiplayer tournaments
What multiplayer tournaments are you basing your data on?
>>
File: debtors-knell.jpg (57KB, 480x680px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
debtors-knell.jpg
57KB, 480x680px
>>43468502
True.
>>
>>43468373
>while encouraging you to build with a different gameplan from the typical Voltron or token strategies found in the colour combination
What different strategy are they encouraging?
>>
>>43468475
Phyrexian unlife + ad nauseum/selenia + mirror universe

Or near death experience.

Its not "omgwtfbbq" busted but in most metas that aren't just about who can play hermit druid first or who can sac their academy rector first wins its pretty good.

>>43468502
>mfw they printed debtor's knell, one of the best multiplayer reanimation cards in the same block as the golgari.

BW was never about reanimation in the first place, stop crying about shit you never had you fucking imbecile.
>>
>>43468517
You think Zur/Olroro are doing better then Karador/HermitDruid/Mimeoplasm/Storm decks right now?
>>
>>43468487
I think this is one of the coolest thing about the FRF Khans.

Each of them is very simple and seemingly one-dimensional, but their unique color identity makes them stupidly flexible.
>>
>>43468541
Instead of focusing on a single big threat you have multiple big guys, one joining the fight per turn? It sounds interesting but I never liked RW anyway.
>>
>>43466418
>guy makes abrasive comment people disagree with and don't like
>WELL LETS EVERY BODY FLIP TABLES AND THROW A FUCKING TANTRUM ABOUT IT PEOPLE AREN'T ALLOUD TO BE REWD ON THE INTERNET THATS ILLEGAL BADWRONG OPINIONS DESERVE EXECUTION
fucking christ, why is 98% of the internet fucking crybabbies
>>
>>43468550
Answer the damned question, what godforsaken multiplayer tournaments are you basing your data on, fucknugget?
>>
>>43468548
What?

It literally has all the single color reanimation cards.

Green has recursion sure but B/W has the cards that bring non land permanents from the grave to play.
>>
>>43468475
They usually use all the life switch cards, purposely spend all of their life, and switch. They are usually pretty gimmicky.
>>
>>43468584
There are non obviously.

Again tho, do you really think Oloro and Zur are in any way stronger then decks like Karador/Mimeo/Hermit/Storm?
>>
>>43466475
Well they banned that guy for life for being a rapist (10 years ago) but still let a convicted drug deal into the hall of fame and even let him play magic and write articles about it.
>>
>>43468639
>convicted drug dealer
Who?
>>
>>43466166
I'm fairly new to commander but let me get this straight. Would it be possible to play this card in a deck with a bunch of token generating spells and only really strong creatures. So basically you spend your first few turns filling the board with tokens and tutoring up the card then sack all the tokens and get Emrakul and some other bullshit out?
>>
>>43468657
Yup, you got it right. It's the base of Polymorph decks.
>>
>>43468657
Emrakul is banned, but other then that, yeah sure go ahead.
>>
>>43468656
Patrick Chapin. He dealt E to people for years.

He's not allowed into Japan because of it.
>>
>>43468656
Chapin.
>>
>>43468541
Virtually every RW Commander wants you to go wide.

Kalemne is RW with a fatty strategy. Anya is a finisher that doesn't require extra parts, I think pillow-fort/burn with her would be pretty neat.

RW is still shit but I'm more interested in seeing the remaining cards than seeing what they do with their spellslinger RU. Speaking of which, fuck, I want my RU artificer.
>>
>>43468657
Yup, mean while Green has to spend 9 mana to tutor out 2 creatures and has no access to counterspells.
>>
>>43468719
>and has no access to counterspells.

Not actually true.
>>
>>43468717
Hey leave my spellslinger goblin waifu alone!

There's still the sphinx, it may be something else entirely different (like Thrax and Jeleva/Nekusar in C13 precons)
>>
>>43468624
Zur is up there with Karador and mimeo.
>>
File: Image.jpg (36KB, 223x310px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
Image.jpg
36KB, 223x310px
>>43466166
instant speed delayed mass polymorph? why not just put mass polymorph in the deck? why waste a commander exclusive on this?
>>
>>43468717

Yeah, too bad that Sphinx doesn't look like it'll be R/U.

Hopefully after Innistrad we'll go to a plane that has a legend for us dammit. That's the thing I'm most disappointed about with these decks..like, it's something people have been asking for ages.

>>43468719

>WAAAHH TOOTH AND NAIL ISN'T STRONG ENOUGH WAHHH

fucking babies man jesus christ
>>
>>43468751
okay, so how man counterspells that can protect your entwined tooth and nail are available in green?
>>
>>43468717
One day we'll get someone from Kaladesh or a new throwback Jhoira with Karn in the deck.
>>
>>43468781
As a small Mexican girl would say
Why not both?
>>
>>43468784
autumn's veil
>>
>>43468765
Not at all mate.

Karador/Mimeo are both much faster and much more resilient.

>>43468781
Gets past wraths mate.

>>43468784
Never said it could protect itself, just that it does have counter spell support.
>>
>>43468784
Autumn's Veil? Vexing Shusher? Not straigh up counterspells, but ways to protect T&N.
>>
>>43468781
being instant speed you can drop it in response to a wrath and keep your whole board state intact. it's pretty good as a "fuck you WoG"
>>
>>43468624
>There are non obviously.

So... you're just talking out of your ass. Got it.
>>
>>43468781
the commader one is theoretically more powerful, and being instant speed lends itself to comboing more that actual mass polymorph, and you can set up annoying ETB Triggering creatures while the polymorph is waiting to go off and do some more stupid shit.
>>
>>43468781

This one lets you replay your commander to gather exp counters (and instant speed means you can play it in response to a board wipe and still have an army).

>>43468783

>not R/U.

Meant not artifact based. I shouldn't complain yet since there's a chance but I don't have my hopes up.
>>
>>43468786
>With Karn in the deck

Sit down, son. I need to talk to you about the reserved list...
>>
>>43468809
Not at all mate.

Zur is arguable even above them. There's not much they can even do to stop a good Zur deck.
>>
>>43468831
If Zur being Top tier helps you sleep at night.
>>
>>43468838
That's why it will never happen anon.
>>
>>43468860
Any kill spell stops a good Zur deck. That's why resiliency is so key.

Not to mention that both Karador/Mimeo are much faster then Zur.
>>
>>43466377
>playing an enchantment is harder than casting a 5 CMC creature
>X/X tokens for (3) are negligible in WB

Are...are you retarded?
>>
>>43468891
Barely likely to be a 5/5 by turn 9 and the commander himself has no means of protection.
>>
>>43468566
>guy makes abrasive comment people disagree with and don't like
Bad for business bud. You really don't want your content creators to be talking about that shit in general if your objective is to create content for a children's card game. Personally i would have just reprimanded but I can see where the company is coming from.
>>
>>43468891
there was some ass clown when daxos was spoiled insisting he was the shittest exp counter commander because "you're just going to get wrathed every single turn hes out and you'll never have him out when you play enchantment spells to get counters and the tokens are negligible because they'll just get wrathed away every turn"

some people here are genuinely retarded
>>
>>43468885
>Any kill spell
>Slower than Karador/Mimeo
>obviously hasn't played against Zur
>>
>>43468961
Yes, because most enchantements are 5 CMC and Daxos costs a billion mana to play instead of being 3 fucking CMC.
>>
>>43468977
>games in which every player wraths every turn
looks like that fucks up every single new commander. C15 is shit people, guess we can all go home.
>>
>>43468977
I was there for that, his argument involved a single wrath and you're a fucking retard.
>>
>>43468871
Dude, you're literally giving your own biased opinion.
>>
>>43468885
I can, off the top of my head, name at least 4 kill spells that don't stop a good Zur deck.
>>
>>43468962
I don't blame CFB at all for firing the dude, I blame literally every single person who was offended for being fucking stupid and allowing themselves to feel offended at the mindless ramblings of someone who plays a card game for a living. like holy fuck what kind of fucking hug box world are we raising children in anymore that NOBODY HAS THICK FUCKING SKIN

this is why i quit playing league of legends tbhfamsmh
>>
>>43468993
Does Zur win turn 2-3 consistently with the ability to win turn 1?
>>
>>43469007
If his argument was only over a single wrath, then what the fuck does it matter? A single wrath doesn't wreck Daxos.
>>
>>43469011
Sure thing there mate, sleep well tonight.

>>43469013
Any kill spell might have been an exaggeration.
>>
>>43469007
wrath-every-single-turn poster pls go
>>
>>43468961
if you can spit out 3 mana 3/3s I'd say you're in an ok spot, and that implies that you've played three enchantments already. He's slow and unprotected, but if he can get going he is going be making a lot of p/t on the board
>>
>>43469023
Oh wait, are you just talking about hermit druid decks?
>>
>>43469044
Daxos is incredibly slow and shitting out fatties is done better by basically every other commander that does it.

>>43469049
Literally not him but you can think what you want, I was lurking while at work.
>>
>>43469068
I'm talking more so about Karador

But yeah Hermit wins quickly too.

Karador is arguably the most consistent deck right now that also tops out in speed.
>>
>>43469045
>Sure thing there mate, sleep well tonight.
Oh, you're not?

>these decks are better than these decks in multiplayer tournaments
>oh? What are you basing that on?
>fucking nothing

Go to bed anon, you're drunk.
>>
>>43469075
does every other commander who does it allow you to literally spend the game building a fucking pillowfort as your primary strategy before you start popping out fatties?
>>
>>43469003
Know who else is B/W and 3 mana? Teysa. Know who's better in every way? Teysa.
>>
>>43467717
Heliod is just much better.
His tokens will never be 0/0 unless you have him on the field at the same time an enchantment you casts ressolves.
He's much harder to remove, and can actually win the game through general damage quite fast with anthem effects.
>>
>>43469098

Not them, but I'm curious how turn 1-3 karador wins happen.
>>
>>43469102
If you want to talk about competitive then talk dual.

In which Zur is banned.

If you're talking about Multiplayer then you can go by public knowledge and first hand experience. In which case Karador is better then Zur.
>>
>>43469107
It's a lost cause at this point, you won't get past his thick skull no matter what you do, this thread is MTGS level at this point.
>>
>>43469138
heliod is monowhite and de facto sucks cock before we consider literally anything else
>>
>>43469102
It's pretty clear anon that Karador and Hermit Druid Scion are much better decks given their speed and resiliency to disruption.

>>43469107
Black isn't exactly the best pillowfort color and without strong tutoring or card draw you'll be hard-pressed to make do with white alone. Which I suppose you could do with a high budget in black but the sheer amount of mana you'll be spending to keep up with everyone else will be intense.
>>
>>43469138
>mono W
>better than anything
baka desu senpai
>>
>>43469181
>he's never played Celestial Kirin
>>
>>43469150
>public knowledge and forest hand experience
Yes, your own biased opinion.

But whatever let's you sleep at night.
>>
>>43469171
>white has tutors for enchantments
>black has tutors for fucking anything+card draw
>somehow Daxos is going to have trouble with CA
>>
>>43469141
Boon weaver combo man.

It's stupid. turn 1 wins are god hand territory but with the right tutors/ramp it's pretty easy to win by turn 4 at the latest.

In case you don't know the combo the basics are like this.


Get Boonweaver giant into play somehow.
Fetch Pattern of Rebirth
Sac Boonweaver fetching Karmic guide
Boonweaver brings back Pattern
Sac Boonweaver fetching Fiend hunter on guide
Sac Hunter for Guide trigger bringing back Boonweaver.
Sac Boonweaver fetching Revelark

Guide + Revalar + Fiend Hunter allows unlimited recursion. Boonweaver then fetches every creature in your deck.

Most often wins with Blood Artist, but if your sac outlet is mill alter then you mill your opponents.
>>
>>43469204
Sure thing there buddy, you sure showed me.
>>
>>43468175
Nigger, I too wish we finally had a playable WB commander other than Teysa, but no. Daxos is shit at enchantress and shit at stax. It really isn't worth mixing up both strategies for something so weak.
>>
>>43469200
>Celestial Kirin
Oh damn that's actually not bad
>>
>>43469206
He is when he's 3 mana and his tokens are 3 mana a piece. Even assuming you've drawn into either loads of 1CMC tutors or 1CMC enchantments it'll be difficult for your tokens to be sizable by turn 9.

Maybe for some super casual games he will be alright.
>>
>>43469218
Thank you. How does that consistently go off by turn 4 though? How do you get boonweaver and a sac outlet into play so fast?
>>
>>43469252
Are you literally saying it's not? You've said twice that you're just going off of your own observation. I don't even understand how this can even be argued.
>>
>>43469302
You're in black.
>>
>>43469331
Go on.
>>
>>43468335
Mazirek goes infinite at instant speed with shit the deck will have plenty of: persist critters and sac engines.
Good luck surviving the superior EDH aristocrats with you Daxos.
>>
>>43469302
Tons of fast mana tutors and recursion.

easy way to do it is a sac outlet like Charon Feeder /Alter of Dementia

Then Entomb/Reanimate Boon Weaver.

Can do it turn 1 with something like Lotus petal/ Mox Diamond and a land.

Other then that tutor it out and boom.
>>
>>43469330
Just leave it. He's an autist who has no actual argument and just wants the last word.
>>
>>43469200
>>43469288
If either of you guys know how to build a legit Celestial Kirin deck let me know, because I tried building one once and it was trash.
>>
>>43469350
You tutor for it turn 1 or 2.
>>
>>43469330
I'm not arguing about my observations friend I'm arguing about which deck is stronger, Zur or Karador.

And Karador is stronger.
>>
>>43468475
Stax voltron with a general that can't be killed. Or stupid life switch retards.
>>43468548
>BW was never about reanimation in the first place
Spare us your ignorance.
>>
File: 1374110258936.png (18KB, 600x800px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1374110258936.png
18KB, 600x800px
>>43469372
The same way you run every other monocolor, 50 lands nigga.
>>
>>43469382
What tutors are you using? Entomb? Then how are you recurring it so fast? What if you don't have entomb in your opener?

I can understand that it *can* go off super early, but it honestly doesn't sound like it's as consistent as people are making it out to be.
>>
>>43469395
Based on your limited observations, as you have said. Twice.
>>
>>43469456
Again, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Doesn't matter if at the end of the conversation if you believe me or not.

Have fun with your Zur deck.
>>
>>43469437
I think it's the price of this deck that's going above your head.

We're talking ALL of the tutors.
>>
How do I best utilize/abuse this card
>>
When the fuck did this place turn into Salvation?
>>
>>43469437
You're not talking to the Anon who described the deck to you, that would be me.

Tell you what.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/621075-karador-boonweaver-combo

Give that a look.

My list is different, but he's given a good rundown on how the deck works, and why it's so quick.
>>
>>43469546
Mishra and Ruric like it.
>>
>>43469546
Mishra
>>
>>43469551
What's that supposed to mean anon.
>>
>>43469437
>Demonic Tutor
>Diabolic Intent
>Entomb
>Imperial Seal
>Vampiric Tutor
>Altar of Bone
>Eladamri's Call
>Sylvan Tutor
>Worldly Tutor

And those are only the 2 or less mana tutors, not counting Survival of the Fittest and Fauna Shamin.
>>
>>43469169
Daxos is so bad Heliod does it better while being mono in the worst EDH color.
>>
>>43469579
Fuck I almost never do anything with artifacts
>>
>>43469512
Is that just what you say when someone calls you out for being wrong?

I'm not even the guy who said Zur was better. You just don't have any legitimate basis for what you're saying. You said something was better based on tournaments. Then when pressed, went on to say those tournaments don't actually exist. Then you said it was based on observation. Then said you weren't talking about your observations, while continuously saying whatever let's you sleep at night. You're all over the fucking place and you have literally nothing to back up your claim.
>>
>>43469633
Sorry friend.
>>
>>43469542
Maybe. But then what let's you play him so fast? And how is it all always in your opening hand?
>>
>>43466359
>defense of the heart/tooth and nail
>brood monitor/deranged hermit/hornet queen/any chucklefuck that makes 4+ bodies hit the floor
>sage of hours
>>
>>43469638
If you're talking Dual commander which was my original go to then we have tourney results.

If you're talking multiplayer then I misspoke and we don't have tourney results.

But regardless of the tourney results I as someone who has played both decks on the top of their game can say without a doubt that Karador is stronger.
>>
>>43466702
And mycoloth
>>
>>43469678
>Shallow Grave
>Death (Life/Death)
>Exhume
>Reanimate
>Soul Exchange
>Animate Dead
>Dance of the Dead

Again, this is mana cost 2 or less, and not counting Stitch Together.
>>
>>43469678
You don't play him, you reanimate him, or fetch him with Pattern of Rebirth.

Again check out that link I posted.

There are plenty of ways to get him into play without 7 mana.
>>
>>43469556
Thank you, I'll give it a read.
>>
Seriously what the fuck is wizards doing? I thought we were gonna get the rest of the commander spoilers today. Is it going to be tomorrow now?
>>
>>43469995
Why did you think that? We'll get the decklists on Friday, calm down, it doesn't even release till the 13th.
>>
What are good mardu commanders?
>>
>>43469995
I just want the full lists so I can know whether or not I'm buying the full precon or just picking up singles.
>>
>>43468221
>>43468274
>dude
>he
>>
>>43470024
I thought I read somewhere that the rest of the new cards would be revealed today. I'm just anxious since I have nothing else in my life right now.
>>
>>43470036
Alesha for Dual.

Kaalia in general

Zurgo is alright.
>>
The more I think about Anya the more interested I am. She really is very different from Aurelia and Gisela, with shit like Sulfuric Vortex and Manabarbs eating away at people even if slowly so that by the time you drop Anya, she is already on.

Hmm.
>>
>>43468822
No, you really can't. Have you ever played magic?
>>
>>43470106
Read the card numb nuts.

They enter the battle field end of turn.
>>
Does anyone have a link to an advanced stack guide? I want to make sure I understand it as best I can.
>>
>>43470052
I lol'd
>>
>>43470093
Heaaaarrrtllleessss!
>>
>>43470191

Google "comprehensive magic rules"
>>
>>43470191
I'm trying to pass a judge test.

Care to say what the stack question is?
>>
>>43470221
Well, duh.
>>
File: en_vBZoAOtOg0.png (176KB, 265x370px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
en_vBZoAOtOg0.png
176KB, 265x370px
So, I already have a Pharika deck (Living Plane and Doomwake Giant), but despite my best efforts, I am waifuing hard as shit on Meren. Combine that with my Vorthos side and I really want to fucking build Meren. Like. Holy shit.

Is it wrong to want to make another BG deck? A lot of my black staples are used up between Jeleva, Pharika, and Liliana already, and I'd be adding to what is essentially a Harem at this point because I haven't finished Ulasht and/or Surrak yet.
>>
So, is there anything in the game that removes counters from players? Or are these things just always going to tick up with no upper limit?
>>
>>43470306
Naw man she's pretty neato.
>>
>>43470275
I don't have a specific question. I just want to make sure I understand the stack, and I was hoping someone could post a link to a comprehensive intelligible article or something.
>>
>>43470306
>Combine that with my Vorthos side and I really want to fucking build Meren.
Cmon m8 her UR article wasn't that great. Writing was above par for Wizards but her story amounted to an angsty teenage necromancer's fanfic "why doesn't my family accept me for being a death mage waaah maybe I should kill them all"

Maybe you're not a Vorthos, maybe you're just a waifufag. Just a thoughf.
>>
>>43470375
karn?
door to nothingness?
i got nothing
>>
>>43470375
Leeches is the only card that removes counters, but it only does poison counters
>>
>>43470426
Well it's pretty straight forward.

First thing on, last thing off.

>>43470375
Doesn't Proliferate add or remove?
>>
>>43469372
ASK AND YEE SHALL RECEIVE

http://deckstats.net/deck-8215597-06a42a8dd7810792afa00ea857f7fc4a.html

It's pretty much boardwipes.dec and you win with general damage.
>>
>>43470496
Only add
>>
>>43470430
I didn't like how it ended but everything else was alright. She did what she had to to survive and was punished by everyone she knew and loved for it. I'd definitely be upset. but "GRAAH I'M GONNA KILL ALL LIFE ON JUND" is just silly and hamfisted motivation after she got her vengeance
>>
>>43470306
Moren's story was utter trash, though.
>>
>>43470546
Ah that's too bad,.
>>
>>43470551
Feldon had a great story but he didn't get even close to enough love.
>>
>>43470598
>tfw you make Feldon sad every time you use his ability
>>
>>43470630
I love how his Cane works so well with his ability/story. But he gave his cane away, so now he can never forget.
>>
My LGS still has a Return to Ravnica box. Should I drop 100 for it? Got the money to burn and don't really have cards from this set for some reason.
>>
>>43470630
I picture it as him trying to rebuild his wife and failing so hard he builds an inferno titan instead
>>
>>43470630
>maybe she'll come back to me today...
>nope, she looks like a Wurmcoil Engine this time
>maybe she'll come back to me today...
>oh fuck where'd all these myrs come from
>>
>>43470700
No.

There are very few cards you would want from it.

If you're not talking purely EDH then maybe, but I'd still recommend against it.

If you check online you should easily be able to get what you want from the set for much less then 100$.
>>
>>43470454
>>43470476
>>43470546

These exp counter commanders look like they're going to be incredibly annoying in any kind of a prolonged game, especially with the tucking gone. Like, "I don't even want to play this shit anymore" annoying.
>>
>>43470630
>>43470716
Thank god we don't have a red card that is his wife.

Think of how much we would be breaking his heart.

I don't think they really knew each other but I always imagine great interactions with Arcum and Fledon.
>>
>>43470430
>writing was above par
Holy shit I'm glad I never read UR. I read this one because it took place on Alara but man it was a stinker.
>>
File: Selection_001.jpg (64KB, 341x474px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
Selection_001.jpg
64KB, 341x474px
>>
>>43470792
There are some really nice ones. And then a bunch of stinkers.

Best reason to read is to just keep up to date on the story while every once in a while finding a nice story,
>>
>>43470536
>I actually have most of the cards for this now
Thank you based anon
>>
>>43470775
>These exp counter commanders look like they're going to be incredibly annoying in any kind of a prolonged game
IME prossh was the same way, and to a lesser extent heliod
still not really sure how to deal with it
try nevermore effects, i guess? because trying to punish people who break the social contract of "let's bring decks that are fun to go long with" by building decks that can force them to go short... doesn't work out too well
>>
>>43470828
>And trample

Fuck right off with that.
>>
>>43470775
Naw man. These guys are ass compared to 2013/2011
>>
>>43470828

Wat.
>>
>>43470828
ayy lmao
>>
>>43470828
GREEN DOMINATION!
>>
>>43470828
Now that's what I call a goat
>>
>>43470828
People don't think much about it but Trample is really one of the most bull shit abilities in the game.

It gets past so dam much.
>>
>>43470630
You're making me want to build a Feldon deck. Would that be feasible?
>>
>>43470955
He's actually really good.

Get lots of red draw, loot effects and combos.
>>
>>43470955
Hell yes, just use big fatties and looting effects, tie it all up with some artifact synergy and you're golden.
>>
>>43470828
>dat art
>dat ability
Goat is GOAT
>>
>>43470952

Trample is nothing special, it just gets used more often than the actual bullshit abilities so it comes up more often.
>>
>>43470828
Overwhelming stampede on legs? Into omnath it goes.
>>
>>43470828
>That art
>The flavor text
>Not a shit card

:)
>>
>>43471008
It gets past protection, indestructibility, prevent damage and more.

It's really good.
>>
>>43466592
>anything posted on facebook matters

literally

who

cares
>>
>>43471046
>trample
>gets past damage prevention

How?
>>
>>43471118
Let's say you have a 5/5 trampler blocked by a 2/2 with damage prevention. You only assign 2 damage to the creature, which is prevented. The rest goes through.
>>
>>43471118
Damage prevention to a creature.

it still tramples over.
>>
>>43470828
And into Ruric you go.
>>
>>43470738
Oh wow. Looked at the list and really a lot of things I want.
Are there any sets from after RTR that I should get? Also need more trading fodder to get some stuff.
>>
File: 1357314711986.jpg (74KB, 325x313px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
1357314711986.jpg
74KB, 325x313px
>>43470828
>splitting all five commander decks with three people
>going to be the third one to pick cards
>mfw all the good cards will get dibs before getting to me
last time I do this shit.
>>
>>43467884
>Necropotence
>Grave Pact
>Land Tax
>O Ring
>Martyr's Bond
>Greed

It's not like you need to include sub-par tech to make him work.
>>
>>43471253
If you want trading then current set.

After RTR tho, there really isn't that much with a ton of EDH value.

Again tho, try adding all the cards you want to a shopping basket. Shouldn't come close to 100$ unless you want a fuck ton of it.


>>43471279
The fuck kinda setup you guys doing?

Whatever the hell it is change it so

Person 1 gets a pick followed by person 2 then person 3, doing that over and over in a loop.

Only way to salvage your shit fest.
>>
>>43470054
Same here anon.
>>
>>43470430
>>43470551

Flavor means more than the story. It's why I use shitty card's like Endless Obedience and Necromantic Summons in Liliana and Pharika's Mender in Pharika. There are far better cards for all three of those, yet I'm using them for the flavor. In this case, I really like the flavor of running Meren as GB control and reanimating my opponent's shit because it's what she does.

As for Feldon, he's on top of my list as well, and with that new Sphinx card drawer, I'm probably going to make him, too.
>>
>>43471329
Thing is again his ability isn't really strong enough.

I'd rather add blue and run a true pillow fort deck.
>>
>>43471331
Not even M14 or M15? Every magic player I know bough BFZ so it's hard to trade unless you pull an expedition or some shit.
>>
>and with that new Sphinx card drawer

Don't forget Magus of the Wheel.
>>
>>43470872
No problem. Remember, 4cmc is your strength and weakness. Kirin will kill itself if you cast a 4cmc spirit, which is why I skipped them and added in really nice cards like Hero of Bladehold for a minor token theme. You could also go stax rather easily.
>>
>>43471380
>Not even M14 or M15

Again coming from a commander standpoint there just isn't enough to make it worth it.
Also

>>43471338
This >>43471381
Was meant for you.
>>
>>43471412
I see. Guess I'll just stick to buying singles then.
>>
>>43471434
origins is pretty fucking great for edh cards. I'm never unhappy when I open a pack.
>>
>>43471535
>origins is pretty fucking great
this desu
>>
>>43471592
care to explain? I'm inclined to agree with him
>>
So, Im thinking of getting the GB and UG (since WB is looking like shit), is it worth it to buy them now or wait till more is spoiled?

I'm likely going to get the GB no matter what but the other is kinda iffy.
>>
>>43471434

good call. Don't buy packs for EDH decks.
>>
>>43471713
Why bother getting it now?

You gain nothing buying it now.

Wait until Friday and we will have full lists.
>>
>>43471354
>Black Market
>Attrition
>Blood Funnel
>Circle of Despair
>Dark Privilege
>Dictate/Gravepact
>Fanatical Devotion
>Mind Slash
>Vampiric Rites

Wow that was hard
>>
>>43471771
Didn't realize it was so soon, thanks anon.
>>
>>43471412
>>43471381
>>
>>43471795
What?

I don't see your point?

I never said anything about black enchantments being weak.

>>43471820
No problem man, just don't want you to get fucked or anything. We haven't seen all the commanders yet and there could be some really cool reprints.
>>
>>43471757
Oh man. I calculated the cards I wanted and it didn't come anywhere close to $100. I can even add cards that I know some guys would be willing to trade for!

Thanks for replying to my original post!
>>
>>43471696
I don't really have the time because I'm painting a room but...

>Flipwalkers are mostly good, Jace is cash money
>Dark Petition
>Sword of the Animist
>Alhammarret's Archive
>Day's Undoing
>Starfield of Nyx
>Pyromancer's Goggles
>Knight of the White Orchid
>Woodland Bellower
Just a bunch of cool and unique effects I guess. A lot of people were joking that it had cycles of "strictly worse" cards than before, like Dark Petition and Day's Undoing being worse versions of Demonic Tutor and Timetwister. But they're still good cards and you can run them alongside the originals.
>>
>>43471830
Red is picking a good amount of card draw right now.

Only color that is still really lacking would be white.
>>
>>43471882
ohh, I thought you were being sarcastic.
>>
>>43471881
No problem, singles are always cheaper.

Especially since EDH cares about specific cards.
>>
>>43471279
Bail from that plan. That sounds like fucking garbage.
>>
So, how disappointed do you guys think you'll be when ghost pops is spoiled?

On a scale of "Interesting isn't in the Boros Color Pie" (most disappointing)
to Golgari Waifu (not disappointed at all)
>>
>>43471924
baka
>>
>>43471974
I hope it's closer to Golgari Waifu since I love me the Obzedat.
>>
>>43471974
probably somewhere near the middle
>>
>>43470828
My xenagos deck is pleased with this.
>>
>>43471903
White has to use tricks that it has like Land Tax and Scroll Rack, both are readily tutorable in mono white, Skullclamp, Slate of Ancestry, and Mentor of the Meek work well because of weenies, again two of which is easily tutored. White gains a ton of life, which makes Well of Lost Dreams viable, also tutorable.

You need To go out of your way a little, but white can draw cards.
>>
>>43466620
hangarback walker
>>
>>43471535
I'm ALWAYS disappointed, what kind of jank do you play?
>>
>>43469546
maelstrom wanderer, easy cascades and your opponents can barely try and respond
>>
>>43472141
Oh, that's just evil, fuck it's a obvious card too.
>>
>>43471974
"Interesting isn't in the boros color pie" because life gain is to BW like mill is to UB. Wizards just makes shitty lifegain/drain cards and calls it a day like we're supposed to be grateful that this trash infects our color pair.
>>
File: 635822575733092046.png (257KB, 344x480px) Image search: [iqdb] [SauceNao] [Google]
635822575733092046.png
257KB, 344x480px
New card.
>>
>>43471858
I'll try to spell it out because apparently you have brain problems

You said Daxos' ability is weak

I provided a bunch of enchantments with sac effects that not only make his tokens bigger but get fed by them.

If you want to keep saying a 3 CMC general that shits out X/Xs in colors that love tokens and sacrificing creatures is bad be my fucking guest. I honestly don't know what you fags want out of the BW general when we finally got a decent one that's not based on life draining.
>>
>>43472361
>>43470828
>>
>>43472198
Sigarda, Rakdos, Talrand, Tasigur, and Borborygmos. I don't play jank. I'm the fourth best player(out of more than 10) in a cutthroat as fuck meta who finds ways to make underrated generals amazing with underrated cards. Whenever I open a pack of origins its almost always something I need. For instance, I needed a Jace for Tasigur and pulled one in a pack a week ago.
>>
>>43472361
This might single-handedly make me run Phyrexian Swarmlord in Ezuri
>>
>>43471974
Well Daxos disappointed me more then I ever thought possible.

And I really like the Obzedat best guild

So My hopes are as high as they can be.
>>
>>43472383

oops, guess i'm a fag then
>>
>>43472140
Yeah but it used to draw like red does.

But red is getting more and more good draw effects.
>>
>>43472315
How do you think I feel about "Just another combat trick and/or small double striker" for RW?

Every set with a little multicolor, I wait for the RW card to be revealed as maybe it is something I can add to any RW deck. Every set I am disappointed when it's just another War Flare, or Resolute Blademaster, or god forbid, Desperate Stand.

Wizard just keeps breaking my heart.
>>
>>43472393
>for instance I pulled the single most expensive card of the set and wasn't disappointed
Ebin
>>
>>43472362
>a decent one

We've had a decent one for a long time.

We wanted a good one.

Not a pile of ass.

If I wanted to sacrifice for good stuff I'd play Green/Black or better yet Karador/Mimeoplasm.
>>
>>43469546
Use it to proxy for a card that won't get you kicked out of your playgroup.
>>
>>43472455
Tragic Arrogance
Day's Undoing
Ashaya, The Awoken World
Helm of the Gods
Flameshadow Conjuring
and more that I don't feel like listing
are all cards I needed that I pulled. There are many more cards from the set that I need as well.
>>
>>43472534
Terrible idea. It should be used in a deck that only exists to completely turn the table on its head.
>>
>>43472362
>I provided a bunch of enchantments with sac effects that not only make his tokens bigger but get fed by them.
ok so let me get this straight
as an example of a card that synergizes with daxos, by way of having creatures to sacrifice, you cite... blood funnel
blood funnel, which makes noncreature spells cost 2 less with the sacrifice of a creature
so for instance, when casting a noncreature spell, you can activate daxos for 1WB, then feed the token to blood funnel, resulting in a net savings of -1 mana
Are you brain damaged? You can't just fucking pattern-match "tokens" and "sacrificing" creatures and get a good idea, you fucking cretin
>If you want to keep saying a 3 CMC general that shits out X/Xs in colors that love tokens and sacrificing creatures is bad be my fucking guest
none of those properties (mana cost, */*s, love tokens, sacrificing creatures) have any intrinsic relationship with "not a bad card". They have to exist in a context, and the only attempt to draft a context indicated that daxos is irritatingly inconvenienced by a stray wrath effect with certain timing, which is a new and exciting vulnerability that most enchantment-based decks don't have to deal with and don't want to deal with
if you have an actual argument by all means
>>
>>43466620
Just thoughts so far.


Evasion
>Blighted Agent
>Champion of Lambholt
>Whirler Rogue

Tokens
>Chasm Skulker
>Thopter Squadron
>Whirler Rogue
>Sprout Swarm

Card Draw
>Fathom Mage
>Mindless Automaton

Mana
>Viridian Joiner
>Fertilid

>>43472405
Just cut Swarmlord from my list recently. Seemed too slow.
>>
>>43472599
Devoted Druid would be pretty dece, too.
>>
>>43470828
Huh. That's really cool. Sliding this into Omnath, Locus of Mana and Omnath, Locus of Rage.
>>
>>43472587
oh yeah man, I totally mentioned blood funnel cause I love adding WB to the cost of my spells. It's not like a can spend a turn shitting out 3+ tokens and be ready for next turn.

I have no idea what point you are trying to prove with your second comment. I fail to see how a 3 CMC army in a can is weak to wraths
>>
>>43472812
>It's not like I can spend a turn shitting out 9 mana worth of crappy tokens and be ready for next turn

Holy fuck man are you just retarded?

>I have no idea what point you are trying to prove with your second comment. I fail to see how a 3 CMC army in a can is weak to wraths

Because they are tied to your commander who also dies to the wrath.
Thread posts: 469
Thread images: 26


[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / bant / biz / c / can / cgl / ck / cm / co / cock / d / diy / e / fa / fap / fit / fitlit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mlpol / mo / mtv / mu / n / news / o / out / outsoc / p / po / pol / qa / qst / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / spa / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vint / vip / vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y] [Search | Top | Home]
Please support this website by donating Bitcoins to 16mKtbZiwW52BLkibtCr8jUg2KVUMTxVQ5
If a post contains copyrighted or illegal content, please click on that post's [Report] button and fill out a post removal request
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.
This is a 4chan archive - all of the content originated from that site. This means that 4Archive shows an archive of their content. If you need information for a Poster - contact them.