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Setting where women naturally outnumber men

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A sociological discussion guys.

In my setting, monstergirls (I call them Leanan sídhe) reproduce by having sex with men. When a monstergirl have a baby: 50% will be monstergirls, 50% will be humans. Half the human babies will be boys, the other half will be girls.

In short monstergirls give birth to: 50% monstergirls, 25% girls, 25% boys.

This create a long term gender imbalance where there are much more women than men in that society.

There are two consequences that I can think off:

Since there are more women than men: polygyny will be widespread and women's in society role will be less limited.

However, I'm sure where would me many others societal consequences beyond this two.

So guys, what do you think a setting where women naturally outnumber men would plays out?
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I think you need to grow up a little.
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>>43456264
Why are we assuming the vast majority of men are screwing monsters?
How and why did young societies deal with the burden of having more mouths to feed with less hard workers?
How did those early agricultural societies develope and how did they rise and fall?
Would a society where men significantly out number women due to naturally more powerful monstermen not just destroy these mostly women societies and create an equilibrium through the conquered peoples?
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>>43456264
>So guys, what do you think a setting where women naturally outnumber men would plays out?

I think monstergirls giving birth to normal humans is retarded.
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>>43456264
>Setting where women naturally outnumber men

So, real life?
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>>43456480
I had that thought too, but to be fair, op did specify the ratio in his post.
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So this is actually a question of monstergirl biology and evolution, OP. Do monstergirls have a conventional genetic evolution - e.g. do they gradually mutate and develop different traits to different degrees, which are then selected against by their heritage and environment? How long have monstergirls been on the scene?

In humans and other species with a 1:1 gender ratio, the reasoning behind this is attributed to Fisher's Principle. This is basically just an explanation that a gender imbalance that where one sex is naturally likely to have greater reproductive success (e.g. your society with 25% males) the genetics of those more likely to give birth to that sex will be more successful, until you trend to the 1:1 ratio again.
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There was a marginally interesting discussion like this in a thread a few days ago, without the use of monstergirls. Basically just the natural gender ratio was skewed so that for every 10 children born, 1 could be expected to be male.

One of the outcomes if I remember was the males in monogamous relationships, and these families made up a social upper caste, that was supported by the lower caste of women without husbands as basic laborers, farmers, etc...

Basically the upper class put out the babies, but most women in the society lived and died as childless/partnerless workers.
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>>43456491
Except his math is wrong. Monstergirls don't count as women since they are monogendered, there is no differentiation between male and female.

So there will naturally be a near equal number of men and women alive if normal procreation between humans remains unchanged because roughly half of the human children from the monstergirl x human union will be male, and the other half female.
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>>43456264
>Leanan sídhe
I'm super embarrassed for you if this is your real setting OP.

Also this: >>43456565
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>>43456560
Pretty much like china except with gender roles reversed more or less.

>>43456357
Monster strength would offset the lack of human strength in regards to industry.
You can't assume male monsters would be stronger than female monsters.
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>>43456565
Except that montergirls can birth humans as well.

That doesn't change the matter though, by looking at the human-only population the gender ratio will be roughly 50/50 as usual. In total though there will be more "females" if you include monstergirls. Basically men and women will be in equal numbers, but a man will have a larger number of potential mates in monstergirls.

Just hope that the montergirls don't unfairly outcompete human women in mate potential. Or you'll end up with a massive, massive population of monstergirls propagated by a very small population of humans.
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>>43456357
Actually, monstergirls are used as a general term. I personally call them fairy or Leanan Sidhe; they are classified as fairy in my setting.

A small background here:

>The Creator create the world

>Dawn of Time

>4 Demiurges were set to shape the world.

>Demiurge Danu the Gardener was set to create the ecosystem. After creating all the plant and animals she then populated the wild with fairies, No Leanan Sidhe yet.

>Demiurge Umay the Crafter create the humans. Human industrialize and destroy all the forests.

>War between Fairies and human.

>Danu got mad at Umay. Peace talk.

>The monster girls were kind of created as emissary between the two society.

It is just a minor thing in my setting. But in region where human live close to fairies, there are much more women than men. So I wonder how would that affect the society in those regions.

All this background. Because the descendant of the Creator is gonna go full grimdark everyone.
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>>43456662
>unambiguously putting an entire species in your setting called 'fairy fuckbuddies'
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>>43456325

This.
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>>43456662
>But in region where human live close to fairies, there are much more women than men.

Except people keep rightly saying, that's false. The monstergirls aren't women, they're more like genetic parasites than anything.
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>>43456264
>In my setting, monstergirls (I call them Leanan sídhe)

Call them whatever you want, pervert.
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>>43456264
I don't think this is actually a sociological discussion, anon. If you wanted to look at the effects on society where there's a imbalance in the sexes favoring females, you could look at Europe immediately following WW2, which provides a plethora of societies in precisely that condition, with recovering from war damages to boot. This really just seems like an excuse to just post and talk about monstergirls. Which is fine, as far as it goes, but you ought to be more honest with yourself.
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Basically assuming at least the usual range of social attitudes in human societies (so whether or not humans en masse are accepting of the monstergirls, there are at least some outlets that are heavily religious/conservative/whatever and disapproving of it) I see a major opportunities for the PCs to make $big bux$ selling sperm to dying monstergirl communities.
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>>43456684
To be fairy I try de-emphasize it the best I can. It's a serious setting, this monstergirl thing is mostly background info.
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>>43456560
So 90% of 'upper class' children become lower class?
That doesn't seem likely. Surely each family would prefer to have someone else's children scrubbing the floors.
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>>43456627
>Except that montergirls can birth humans as well.

Which I acknowledged.

My point was that you don't count monstergirls in a gender poll.

The reason being is that it would skew the census unnaturally in one direction, and thus would not give an accurate account of -human- population. If we counted the asexual lizards that reproduces by itself into a poll of gender-distribution by organism count over an area, they would fuck up the actual count because they are all female and the count would thus be inaccurate realistically.

If you go door to door and ask people if they believe in God, and 25% say yes, and 25% say no, and 50% say they are agnostic, and you say "well, they want to believe in God" and throw them into the "Yes" category, you have just royally fucked your poll.

Basically what I'm saying is that monstergirls, as a nonhuman species should not be included in a human statistic.

All that would come of OP's "setting" is that there would be a swelling of monstergirl population which would lead to all sorts of prejudices and eventually a flat out attempted extermination or monstergirls for resources, superstition, or actual fear.
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>>43456759
But that's even more retarded anon! There's no way something as significant as this can mostly be background info!
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Reminds me of the mi'qote in FFXIV. Few males are naturally born, leading to a 100:1 gender ratio. For the survival of the species, the males fight each other to the death for leadership of a tribe and the right to reproduce.

Kind of hilarious to watch the legion of male mi'qote running around as player characters.
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>>43456739
Thanks I'll read on that.

This is really not a post and talk about monstergirl. I personally take some pride in trying to remove the lewd out of it, and integrate it into a serious setting.

>>43456818
Because the main story is about super advanced tanshuman form another universe coming into this setting on a mission.
And before you ask, transhumans consider sex with normal human to be bestiality, so no lewd.
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>>43456759
Is anyone on the entire internet convinced by this?
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>>43456892
God fucking dammit OP, just admit you have a monstergirl fetish setting.
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>>43456875
>Few males are naturally born, leading to a 100:1 gender ratio.
>For the survival of the species, the males fight each other to the death
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>>43456892
>monstergirl race relations will inevitably focus on the fact monstergirls require human men to breed
"trying to remove the lewd out of it"

Who's winning here, anon? Are you winning, by pretending you don't have a monstergirl thing? Are we winning, by lecturing you on how stupid this premise is? I don't think anyone is. I think maybe you should just go whack it to lamia girls or w/e until you get this setting out of your system with your semen.
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>>43456946
Strongest male breeds with everyone I assume. Can't afford to give mileage to dem weak genes.
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>>43456961
>inb4 "lol I don't masturbate, either. "
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>>43456975
What, like the weak genes everyone's going to get due to inbreeding?
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Taking the sex out of it, what would a society look like if a genetic quirk resulted in a 1:10 male:female ratio? What of a 1:100? How skewed could the ratio get before the society would be unrecognizable?
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>>43456739
And the Great War.

One in five men were dead in France at the end of that one.
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>>43456325
Seconding.

Stop watching so much hentai while you're at it. Maybe go talk to some real girls.
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>>43457002
It all depends how it's structures. You could have clans who are swapping or adopting offspring to ensure gene mix-up happens, or you could have a runaway train to genetic diseases.
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>>43456325
Seconded.
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>>43456264
You don't care. Why do you even ask?
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>>43456325
>>43457022
>>43456961
>>43456911

Wow. And to think I added monstergirls in my setting only because I wanted to know how it could work genetically. As a showcase of knowledge.

>>43457087

Beause I like to make things realistic.
When I make a setting. I start with assumptions then see how it play out realistically.
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>>43456975
That would make sense if it was 100 men to 1 woman, but this is the exact opposite.

If anything, the women should be the ones fighting.
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>>43456892
Ill believe this when OP delivers on what elements he takes from the wars.
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>>43457118
>being both retarded and pretentious
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>>43456797
Only most of them, and none of the males.
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>>43456264

Does that one snake have a garter belt on it?
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>>43457140
>>43456739

The setting has WWII tech, with magic.

I tried to create a setting where the tech level is limited by the natural condition of the universe. However, I wasn't able to eliminate guns for the simple reason that I cannot eliminate exothermic chemical reaction without eliminating life.

I made my assumptions to see how it plays out. I though I was going to end up with steampunk tech, but I instead ended up with WWII tech.

The setting actually look a lot like America in the 60s.

And massive hybrid zeppelin that can transport squadrons of tank at 200kph.
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>>43456264
Honestly?

Off the top of my head.

Men are treated like we tend to subconsciously think of women now (and consciously did so in the past). They're infantalized, obsessed about, and (if they choose to) can get get through life without worrying about that much responsibility.

Polygyny is definitely a thing, but these 'harems' won't be built by the man. instead, you'll have women fall into Cliques or parties, who all get along (mostly best friend equivalents). They'll, as a group, seek out their man.

Since women are the new canon fodder, men fall to child raising, and social manipulation.

Pregnancy most likely works in a cycle with one of the women getting pregnant at a time. While a woman is pregnant she temporarily rises to 'man' status, and is similarly corralled.

Over time, this may switch to a single woman becoming the 'group mother' who raises the children for the rest.

Man are taught to choose their groups wisely.
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>>43457304
I don't see a fucking issue this at all. Do you?
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>>43457280
And what is it going to borrow from post ww2?
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>>43457118
>Realistic
>Fetish-bait monstergirls that only exist for the sake of magical-realm no matter how hard you try to convince us or yourself otherwise.

Pick one.
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>>43457329
I have no idea what you wrote.
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>>43456264
I recently read a quite shit romance novel (although it pass itself off as science fiction) called a Brother's Price. The premise of the book is that the gender ratio is 1:10 in terms of men:women.
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>>43457416
Er.. I meant I don't see a fucking issue with this at all, Do you?
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>>43457304
That's really interesting. It's definitively something that I'm gonna explore. But, judging the reaction from most replies, I have to be careful to not turn this into some perv's magical realm.

>>43457329

Mostly Cold War. but also element of WWI and WWII

When the protagonist faction arrive into this universe there is a cold war between the Empire of the Fallen (Ruled by gods), and the Free Cities (Magocracy). Neither of the two faction are good or evil, they just in a cold war. But the arrival of the visitors, kind of made things really chaotic and the situation ended up into a 3 ways war.
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>>43456264
Here you go
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Setting:Harem_Knights
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Damn it wrong reply.

>>43457360

Mostly Cold War. but also element of WWI and WWII

When the protagonist faction arrive into this universe there is a cold war between the Empire of the Fallen (Ruled by gods), and the Free Cities (Magocracy). Neither of the two faction are good or evil, they just in a cold war. But the arrival of the visitors, kind of made things really chaotic and the situation ended up into a 3 ways war.
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>>43456325
This baka desu senpai
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>>43457445
EH, I've seen worse.
>>43457490
> But, judging the reaction from most replies.

Monstergirls are, by definition, magical realm.

That doesn't mean it can't be done well, but there are pitfalls.
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>>43457391
What is weirder than the fetishists are the guys that insist things that can or cannot be fetishes are always fetishes.
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>>43457667
Claiming monstergirls aren't a fetish is like GMing a game where you shove pant-shots in the players' aces every 10 seconds and claim that it's not a fetish or anything.

Monstergirls (at least the kind in OPs picture) literally exist because weebs took their anime waifus and added animal parts. It's a fetish. Deal with it.
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>>43457667
Is this bait?

I will assume this is bait.
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>>43456264
>So guys, what do you think a setting where women naturally outnumber men would plays out?

In the long term, the fittest genetic option is for individuals who produce roughly equal ratios of inseminators and incubators. Think about it, in a society with mostly women, who is genetically the fittest? The people who produce more male offspring, because males will have an easier time reproducing that society.. Hence, over time the ratio will converge closer to 50:50 as mutations that increase the rate of male birth and decrease the rate of female birth become more prevalent.

Sorry, nature spits on your magical realm.
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>>43457520
Let me spell it out for you. If you are sincerely trying to create the societal consequences of mostly female AND monstergirls, despite your OP pic(christ, you didn't even edit the filename), then what have you taken from an outside reference mentioned by another anon?

That is, can you, as a show of good faith, do your own research and share your opinions, from which others may suggest alterations or additions that may benefit you?
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>>43456264
Posts like these remind me of how grateful I am that my gaming group is a bunch of normal cool dudes.
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>>43456800
Monstergirls have a gender and breed true with humans, they should absolutely be included in a gender pole.
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>>43457713
>monstergirls, like the kind in the picture and in folklore from several nations

Just because an animu decided to draw pornography of it does not mean it is automatically fetishistic, and it does not erase past history.

Your fetishy claims say more about you than anything else.
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>>43456264
Your setting is pretty retarded, but having more women than men make sense, as the limiting factor in population growth are the women. One women can produce offspring every nine months, men can produce offspring daily.
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>>43457118
Seriously, man. I have nothing against occasional waifu or monstergirls in general, but don't pretend it has some deep meaning.

>>43457747
>fittest genetic option
And I have to point out that this becomes semi-relevant only long-term (i'm talking 100 thousand years here). And even than "fitness" will be limited to somewhat higher rate of "not being allergic to stuff" or "getting 5% more energy from some specific food".
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>>43458434
Leanan sidhe means fairy-lover. They're all beautiful women who fuck humans. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leanan_sídhe
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>>43459110
congratz, you know a piece of mythology.
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>>43456264
It'd be pretty much as you describe: polygyny. Ironically, this would not decrease male-male competition for women but increase it, as desirable men are no longer limited in how many women they can take and women are now able to share a good man. Assuming monstergirls have the same nature as human women (and let's be honest, isn't the appeal that they are completely different?) then there will be an upper class of men with literally hundreds of wives, a middle class with one or two and a lower class that only gets the scraps, in as far as they exist in the first place.

>>43456325
>Polygyny never existed
>Harems don't exist
>Involuntary celibacy doesn't exist
>What the fuck is the Middle East?
How about you stuff your face with a nice bag of dicks?
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Happens in Outsider, the spess elf males are smaller and outnumbered nine to one.

Basically they live protected lives in some sort of communes but can hold a variety civilian jobs from scientist to artist or philosopher. They get to impregnate females who have access rights (heavily restricted in peacetime to avoid overpopulation). Marriage institutions don't really exist.
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>>43456911
I am, I don't immediately assume lewd whenever the subject of sex reproduction is brought up and even if it is OP has kept his questions entirely based on the sociological implications of things
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>>43457490
>But, judging the reaction from most replies, I have to be careful to not turn this into some perv's magical realm.
Don't worry as much, /tg/'s been infested for the past year or so by anons who sperg out at the slightest hint of anything that could be viewed as sexuality, either that or people who think the quickest way to fill the board with fetishes is reverse psychology. Most normal role players wouldn't care as long as you don't super heavily emphasize sex
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>>43456480
Actually, the most current statistics show that we're close to parity in numbers.
We'll see how it goes in a few years with the new chinese policy, though.
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>>43456264
Aside from fetish fuel, is there a specific reason why monsterboys aren't a thing in your setting?
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>>43456264

You've already taken a step into your magical realm, at this point you either need to take a step back or plunge in all the way. Pretending that your monstergirl fuckfest setting is purely academic and reasonable won't fool your players any more than it did the posters in this thread.
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So... What if we reverse it? Monsterboys are the majority of the population and women are the minority. What happens?
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>>43456264
>reproducing across species lines
So, the offspring of monster girls and humans are sterile, right?
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>>43461481

Wouldn't the population collapse? Unless a monsterboy mating with a human woman produces a litter.
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>>43461559
So... What if each monsterboy involved with a woman added a new child to the mix then? Litters made like that.>>
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>>43457118
>Beause I like to make things realistic.
>When I make a setting. I start with assumptions then see how it play out realistically.
Trying to make a setting with magic "realistic" is a fool's errand. What you want is internal consistency, and that isn't going to happen by you resisting what people are telling you.

Here's one thing. Generally speaking, offspring from different species are nonviable or infertile. Why isn't this the case here?

There's a species of ant that may be relevant to you. I cannot post the link because 4chan thinks it's spam, but Google "the ant with three genders."

But, really, everything will go a lot more smoothly if you introduce monsterboys as well.
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>>43457911
You mean sexually awkward and frustrated manchildren who pop a boner every time a woman is in the room?
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>>43461688
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>>43461555
Read more on interspecies hybridization, sterile hybrids aren't the only outcome, depends on exactly how the species are related
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>>43461685
>Here's one thing. Generally speaking, offspring from different species are nonviable or infertile. Why isn't this the case here?
Could be a ring species, that's what I normally assume in fantasy worlds as to why some races can interbreed and some can't
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>>43456946
japs couldn't write a decent story to save themselves from a third bomb
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>>43461719
You seem to be the one getting all awkward when people talk about reproduction. Do you think people studying biology only do it dor masurbation material?
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>>43461594

Assuming women still release one egg at a time, one would assume the litter is a result of the zygote dividing, similar to the proces for identical twins but amplified by monster gene expression. From there you would assume the pregnancy and biological processes involved are more or less similar to a standard human carrying, say, septuplets.

An exception could be made via fetish magic if that's just something you find hot, though. That's what puts the magic in a magical realm.
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>>43456604
Uh?... That's not how estrogen works, buddy.

Male strength comes from a combination of greater overall muscle mass, testosterone being 7 to 8 times more prominent than estrogen in the male body, higher during puberty, height, the density of the skeletal system, not to mention a dozen other factors.

Unless you're including some magic bullshit, males will still be stronger than any
>DESU MOSTER GIRLZ SENPAI
That you dick around with

And even then, if you model them after regular human beings, considering a female athlete has the same levels of strength as an average strength male athlete, they're not going to be that strong unless, again, magical BS that alters their biological structure.
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>>43461719
Mind if i ask you what your Idea of nudism is?
Because adult people can separate sex between wank material and proper discussion/all normal aspect of people.
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>>43461889
you are assuming there is human-like sexual dimorphism. Thats a bad assumption .
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>>43461889
That's only if monstergirls are human with funny ears, the 50/25/25 split in reproduction says something else is going on here
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>>43461888
Alternatively if the monsterboys were actually implanting a parasite which emulated a baby inside the woman, capable and designed to do so en-masse. That's fetishy, but not exactly just random magic.
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>>43458706
In the long term, even small advantages will completely overtake the original population. An advantage that gives your offspring a mating pool several times larger than their competitors could even be a case of rapid evolution, taking place over thousands of years rather than tens of thousands.
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>>43457304
I don't see it, I think this would be more like lion prides or Chimp groups to be honest, Men fight to increase the harem perhaps with the help of other males with more limitated access to females, the females do most of the hard work like farming (like in lots of societies in Africa) but war and stuff is mostly duels between the top males for resources or females. Its instintive for nearly all mammal males after all, to fight for dominance and pussy. A male can impregnate a hundred female without any problem, the same can't be said of a female.
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>>43462006

So it tricks the woman'a body into caring for it like a fetus? That's actually a pretty clever explanation for how these two species can produce offspring. The lack of genetic diversity could be offset by parasite buds engaging in horizontal gene transfer in the womb - basically when two monsters have a threeway with a woman, they're really reproducing with each other with the woman as a host.
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>>43457022
>go talk to some real girls

Real girls hate me.
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>>43462225
You don't have sisters or cousins?
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>>43462006

Holy shit, you faggots. Just make it normal monsters and rape already, where hideous creatures pollute the pure blood of the human race with their subhuman spawn. Was that so hard?

They're monsters and they breed horrors through rape. Done.
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>>43462224
>The lack of genetic diversity could be offset by parasite buds engaging in horizontal gene transfer in the womb - basically when two monsters have a threeway with a woman, they're really reproducing with each other with the woman as a host.
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>>43462299

The point of a thought experiment is that sometimes it's fun to overthink things. Besides, who says a woman wanting to consensually bang monsters isn't the main fetish being catered to?
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>>43462404

Yes, but not 'monsterboys', which is a fucked-up, effeminate term. MONSTERS.
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>>43456264
considering that there would be more monsters than humans, could result in there being fewer adventurers out there,

people (especially men) might choose or be led to live in settlements, and since women are not prey to the monsters you could have it so it's mostly women as adventurers,

any man trying to do so would be discouraged and even if one is successful, bard don't tell their tales and it would inspire young boys to go out and be like them,


yes men would have multiple wives or perhaps a village of 20-30 women might have one man in it, that one man might have a boring,. safe job, or he might have a typical masculine job like a blacksmith, while the rest of the women carry out the rest of the jobs,


because of what I have typed out, most figures of note and history would be women, warriors, monster hunters, etc. with most men in high positions being in charge of coin or diplomacy (by letter in most cases, might be too risky to send them out on their own)


pour over that OP and take what you want from it
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>>43457490
Anon, he was asking what sociological implications you're picking up from the post war societies, because until you prove that you're actually hitting the books, this whole thread is just you loudly proclaiming that you don't have a thing for monstergirls.

Although that being said, why aren't there monsterboys? What sense does it make to create an ambassador race that is a genetic parasite?
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>>43461963
In which case they couldn't breed unless you go full fucking retard in which case you'd use magic basically allowing players to create whatever retarded fantasies they want

>MOSTER GIRLZ ARE MAGIC SO I MIN MAX SORCEROR/BARD CHARISMA AND USE MAGIC TO CONTROL THEM

And every single fucking That Guy will do it. And good players will fucking hate you for Fetish shit.

If they're a genetic mutation brought about BY magic during days of old when elves didn't really give two shits about what they did, and say wanted to use humans as slaves but because of our ability to survive harsher more extreme environments, decided to conduct chimera tests on humans, resulting in beings more capable in specific environments but mutated in horrific ways, regarded in the same ways Tieflings are, with hate and disgust, as well as a grim reminder why all elves must be purged, then that makes for an okay setting. Depending entirely upon how you describe the chimeras.

From there you can run punnet squares and inject actual fucking logic and math into the equation and story that doesn't make it seem like shit, similarly to what OP is asking, since you'd still have mosterguys, making the population divide 25/25 monster m/f and 25/25 human m/f because NO species would be able to evolve and exist if it entirely relied on another SAPIENT species for sexual reproduction unless it was incredibly subservient
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>>43462470

>effeminate

If you want it to be about manlier men you can imagine vintage Sean Connery with dog ears and a tail or whatever floats your boat, the parasite lifecycle would still work.
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>>43462470
It's the male equivalent of monstergirls. You could also call them monster-people, beastmen etc with the idea being that you're using it as a way to separate say a buff looking man with a human face and horns from the classical interpretation of a minotaur.

So y'know, as a way for people to sort porn by tags.
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>>43456875
I thought XIV didn't mess with the gender ratios at all?

XI did with Mithra, but it also didn't have a retarded reason like that.
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>>43462726
>In which case they couldn't breed unless you go full fucking retard in which case you'd use magic basically allowing players to create whatever retarded fantasies they want
That doesn't really follow

>And good players will fucking hate you for Fetish shit.
don't assume just cause you sperg out about something others will, I personally wouldn't give a shit as long as the DM didn't have us witness said monstergirl fucking
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So, quick point, feel free to shout me down if this doesn't make sense. With the 50/25/25 split, aren't monstergirls as a race basically doomed because their reproductive process only has a fifty percent chance of producing another monstergirl even if an egg is successfully fertilized? I suppose there are ways to get around this, such as them being absurdly fertile, or constantly being on the hunt for men when they aren't pregnant, but that makes the already tenuous assertion that this isn't fetishy nearly laughable.
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>>43463035
Possibly, but it would simply require any male/monstergirl pairing to result in at least four children on average for the population to be stable, that's not terribly unrealistic even assuming nothing like multiple births
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>>43463035

From a monster perspective, you could treat the wold as having the genders Monster and Non-Monster, with them only breeding with a particular subset of non-monster, so it shouldn't trigger a population collapse unless monsters engage exclusively in monogamy. Adventurers, young men who can't get a human girl and monster fetishists would provide a viable pool of one night stands to keep up their populace. (I'm assuming the monsters don't insist on monogamy because if this is a fetish campaign the fantasy is probably about wandering around sleeping with lots of monsters, not settling down with one as a wife.)
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>>43456264
why is like this

just make them like ants
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>>43456264

I sense some vile Heresy in this thread.
Calling the Inquisition for Exterminatus.
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>>43462264
I have an older sister but she is supposed to like me. Doesn't count.
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>>43463187
Alright, so doesn't that not really create the conditions OP was talking about, though? I mean, they're monstergirls right, not human women? So they wouldn't be counted as female since they as a race are mono-gendered.
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>>43463203
>if this is a fetish campaign the fantasy is probably about wandering around sleeping with lots of monsters, not settling down with one as a wife.)
Have you looked at Monster Girl Encyclopedia? Monogamy everywhere is more likely than you think, for some reason.
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>>43463276
Just because they only have one gender doesn't mean that gender isn't female, especially since they reproduce exclusively with humans making them the same species but with mutant super powers.
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>>43463203
I'm not entirely convinced. At that point, monsters are drawing from a fraction of a fraction of the population, and then further cutting that number in half to get 'monsters produced.' Unless the percentage of adventurers and guys who can't get a gal/are fetishists is like 75%+, I can't see it working out for the monsters. Especially in the framework of a one-night stand.
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>>43463276
Eh, I was just talking male/monster pairings, a fully stable male/female/monster population would also simply require males to on average take at least 3 mates and have an average number of 2 children with human female mates. A bit more stress to the system but not terribly much actually
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>>43463315
So, how does that work? I can't think that being dependent on a separate, sapient species for your reproduction is a good plan. What if a queen decides that monstergirls are taking up too many jobs the humans should be getting, and outlaws copulation with them to devastate their numbers? What if the not-pope decides they're an abomination (with some justification, humanity having just finished a brutal war against the fairies) and excommunicates anyone who associates with them, carnally or otherwise? What is the fairies, bitter from a lost war where they were driven from their lands, start killing every monstergirl they come across?

Any of these are something that could easily happen in the politically violent climate OP is proffering, and with monstergirls only producing another monstergirl half the time, any disruption in their breeding could be the trigger that drops their population below a viable level in a couple generations.
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>>43456264
>So guys, what do you think a setting where women naturally outnumber men would plays out?
Your Magical Realm aside, I'd imagine this situation in regular low-fantasy country after large war they just barely won. Assuming predominantly male consription and high casualties, gender disproportion in adult population can go as high as 4:1. Children would still be born at normal (~52:48) gender distribution but it would take a while before balance in adult population restores so the society would have to adapt to some extent.
This would also give ground for plenty of plot hooks - rebuilding and reclaiming what was lost in war, settling old drudges, stuff like that.
Yeah, it can still be turned into Magical Realm as well, especially of /ss/ variety./spoiler]
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>>43462470
If you worry about things being effeminate, then you're probably not very secure in your masculinity.
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>>43463332

One human male could impregnate a number of monsters, maybe due to a quirk in monster physiology (they only sleep with humans when in heat, so the odds of pregnancy resulting from sex are unusually high?) It could also be socially normative that young men have relationships with monsters before settling down with a human, sort of the local way of sowing wild oats.
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>>43456728
>Except people keep rightly saying, that's false. The monstergirls aren't women, they're more like genetic parasites than anything.
in typical monstergirl setting this would be true. But in this setting this is false because monstergirls CAN and do give birth to humans of both genders.
A monstergirl-human couple with 4 children are likely to have 2 monstergirl, 1 female human, 1 male human as children.
And that is the average. some couplings might have 4 human boys just through sheer coincidence.

Unlike the typical monstergirl setting where it would result in 4 monstergirl children every time
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>>43459433
>How about you stuff your face with a nice bag of dicks?
yea that anon is retarded

>It'd be pretty much as you describe: polygyny. Ironically, this would not decrease male-male competition for women but increase it, as desirable men are no longer limited in how many women they can take and women are now able to share a good man. Assuming monstergirls have the same nature as human women (and let's be honest, isn't the appeal that they are completely different?) then there will be an upper class of men with literally hundreds of wives, a middle class with one or two and a lower class that only gets the scraps, in as far as they exist in the first place.
Eh, according to your own example of the middle east, the harems of hundreds would be super rare. A sultan might have one if he really wanted to as a status symbol. There are only so many hours in a day.

Also the 3:1 ratio of females to males would vastly decrease the number of males with no women at all so it would work out somewhat better than islamic society.
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>>43456325

This. Fucking hell I'm happy I've never ran into a cringy as fuck DM like this in real life.
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>>43463618
Alright, but what about this being totally pure and not fetishy at all, as per OP's repeated claims? Or are we pretty much all agreed that's bull at this point, cause I was trying think of a way this could work without the monstergirls tailoring their society to attract human men from human communities, and honestly, I've been having a rough time of it.
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>>43463703
>I was trying think of a way this could work without the monstergirls tailoring their society to attract human men from human communities, and honestly, I've been having a rough time of it.
They're not seen as a separate race and live among humans doing no more than human females when it comes to attracting mates?
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>>43463737
>They're not seen as a separate race and live among humans doing no more than human females when it comes to attracting mates?
this. they should just be considered the 3rd gender of human.
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>>43463703
Why would they have to base their society on going after human mates?
If they and the humans are polygamists multiple wives are normal and they'd not have to do much more than a human woman would
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>>43463771
>monstergirls
>the 3rd gender of human
this
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>>43463703
>>43463771

I can't think of any way for it to work in a non-fetish way. Maybe the existence of what is essentially a third genfer changes social norms change so that triads are more common? Your average stable household presumes one man, one woman, one monster, with pure duos of either kind frowned upon? Romantic love and values would change to emphasize acceptance and sharing instead of possessive and jealous afffection, maybe trend to a more communal and sharing outlook in general? Fetish types can also get off on banging their monsterwife while their human wife watches, that sort of thing?

This would still pose a problem because 25% of monsters would be doomed to spinsterhood.
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>>43463772
>Why would they have to base their society on going after human mates?
You answered your question
>they'd not have to do much more than a human woman would
(think of how human women behave)
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>>43463657
>Eh, according to your own example of the middle east, the harems of hundreds would be super rare.
Probably because in the Middle East, women didn't outnumber men by a 3-1 ratio. If they did, those harems would be a lot more common.

>Also the 3:1 ratio of females to males would vastly decrease the number of males with no women at all
As opposed to create more women with a desire for the wealth and power of the richest men? Increase the number of women by a factor of 9 if you will, women will always go for the best option, even if that means sharing.
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>>43463819
But then you're basically arguing that woman are only in the setting for fetish reasons
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>>43463814
>This would still pose a problem because 25% of monsters would be doomed to spinsterhood.
Just make it quads instead.
1 man, 1 woman, 2 momans
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>>43463737
But in the context of OP's setting (war between the fairies and the humans gets so bad the gods have to come down and tell people to cut that shit out, create the monstergirl race to be the go betweens for the fairies and the humans) is that a realistic assumption? I personally don't think it is, at least not initially, because the monstergirls are in the unenviable position of having to broker peace between two groups that hate each other and don't trust them. I see a sort of thing where the vast majority of both societies sees them as working for the other side, and it's considered almost scandalously progressive for a leader to allow their presence in their community at all.
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>>43463847

For some reason that feels less stable than a 1/1/1 figure - it's easy to feel special as the only one of a gender in a relationship, once you feel like you have a direct competitor then it becomes more emotionally fraught. If you've ever known a couple really into polyamory in real life this is what seems to get to them after awhile.
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>>43463858
A possible way that things could progress, but I don't think they would make very good diplomats if neither side trusted them and given they are divinely created diplomats not trusting them could have dire consequences. So there may actually be a sort of divine mandate for intermingling, which I hadn't actually considered before your post.
Which actually makes me consider something else, could the monstergirls breed with the fairies? They may not be entirely dependent on humanity
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>>43463771
>>43463799
...a third gender that can only mate with males, so just a female with weird mutations.
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>>43463814
>This would still pose a problem because 25% of monsters would be doomed to spinsterhood.
I imagine that such a society would be arranged in such a way that the monstergirl population never gets that high.

A monstergirl and human male pairing needs one monstergirl and one human male kid to reach reproductive age to maintain a stable monstergirl population.

Either you import human males to make up the difference, or you import human females to pair mate with your human males in order to help offset the difference (since a 50% chance of a male child is greater than a 25% chance), or you practice selective infanticide.
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>>43459433
Harems were only thing for the upper class, mostly because that shit is expensive.

In that sense, the middle east isn't super different from the rest of the world with rich individuals keeping mistresses and the like.
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>>43463837
>Probably because in the Middle East, women didn't outnumber men by a 3-1 ratio. If they did, those harems would be a lot more common.
No, this is not it at all. The reason is because a single man can't actually find the time to meaningfully interact with hundreds of wives and unless they rule a nation cannot afford it either. A few sultans had it as status symbols
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Harem
Harem means "forbidden", it was a political organization that included female relatives and servants not just wives and concubines.

Here is a list of the actual consorts of the sultans of the ottoman empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_consorts_of_the_Ottoman_sultans
Osman I had 7 consorts
Murad I had 7 consorts
Bayezid I had 12 consorts
Mehmed I had 3
Murad II had 7
Mehmed II had 10
Beyezid II had 10
Selim I had 2
Suleiman I had 3
Selim II had 2
Marud III had 3
Mehmed III had 4
Ahmed I had 2
Osman II had 2
Murad IV had 1
Ibrahim I had 8
Mehmed IV had 1
Suleiman II had 6
Ahmed II had 1
Mustafa II had 9
Ahmen III had 18
Muhmud I had 10
Osman III had 3
Mustafa III had 6
Abdul Hamid I had 14
Selim III had 15
Mustafa IV had 4
Mahmud II had 17
Abdulmecid I had 25
Abdulaziz had 5
Murad V had 9
Abdul Hamid II had 13
Mehmed V had 5
Mehmed VI had 5

And that is it, that is a list of every imperial sultan in the ottoman empire to have had a harem, between the years 1299 and 1923
The biggest harem was 25 the second biggest 17.
This was NOT due to alack of women, it was due to a lack of time. Most sultans had less than 10 and several were actually monogamous.
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>>43463955
>...a third gender that can only mate with males, so just a female with weird mutations.
Yes, the genders are Male, Female type A, Female type B.
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>>43463896
So now we have an almost dystopian setting where the gods have decided for the benefit of the world as a whole to force the humans and the fairies to accept this new hybrid race and smile, or else. I could get behind this. On the surface, everyone is happy and cooperative, with the humans and fairies barely concealing their disgust for the hybrids, and their outright malice for each other. The hybrids live in constant fear of living in a society that hates them, never going into dark alleys because the average citizen would love nothing better than to catch one of them out alone with no witnesses. But everyone maintains the masquerade because anyone who doesn't go in for peaceful coexistence gets hunted down by the church, newly empowered by the recent direct and massive intervention on the part of their deities.

Now we have something really interesting, something that isn't just 'fantasy campaign, plus monstergirls.' Let's keep building on this, or something like it.
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>>43456325
Yeah, OP is a fag.
Parsley sage rosemary and thyme.
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>>43461313
>>43461555
>>43461685
>>43462299
>>43462050


I included monstergirls because I figured out how one-gender race could work from a biologically stand point.
Unfortunately it only works for one-gendered female race. They are identical to human genetically, but the monster traits are results of cytoplasmic inheritance and epigenetics.
It was an attempt to showcase by knowledge.

>>43462501
>>43457304

I think I could rephrase my question. In a society where women naturally outnumber men 3:1. What is the most economically productive marriage tradition.

In 1:1 gender ratio monogamy is the most productive.

Now I think it wouldn't be too different from our world. expect that a small group of women marries a single man. Men will still work normal jobs because, impregnation is not time consuming, but women will take turn to have children. Women who do not yet have children in charge simply work to support the family.
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>>43464024
I don't like overtly dark settings though, don't mind dark aspects but stuff like that makes me either want to drop it or go full black comedy
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>>43464099
>I included monstergirls because I figured out how one-gender race could work from a biologically stand point.
But that is not what you have at all. You simply have humans in the setting with 3 genders. Male, FemaleA, and FemaleB
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>>43464099
>Now I think it wouldn't be too different from our world. expect that a small group of women marries a single man. Men will still work normal jobs because, impregnation is not time consuming, but women will take turn to have children. Women who do not yet have children in charge simply work to support the family.
Honestly that would be best, though the cycle of pregnancy might end up unadvisable depending on how long it takes, they'll need to pop out enough for population growth at least
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>>43464099
>Unfortunately it only works for one-gendered female race.
It works just fine if instead of inter-species breeding you go for "they are all hermaphrodites who can't breed with humans" or "they reproduce asexually"
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>>43463988

>the elders of the village forbid more than one monstergirl to be born into a household, any past the first are to be abandoned to the elements
>monsters of the woods take in and raise these lost daughters, teaching them to embrace the monster and hate the soft city-dwelling monstergirls and the humans who abandoned them
>rumors spread of beautiful and wild girls in the woods who lure men to their doom, though no one has ever seen proof
>still, you don't want to step foot into the woods alone...
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>>43464024
Actually, I'm writing a wargame rulebook in this setting.

>>43464114
Yes. I think that would be a better way of seeing it. since those monster are human from a DNA stand point.
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>>43456728
>The monstergirls aren't women, they're more like genetic parasites than anything.
Wouldn't the human females be viewed as the genetic parasites in this scenario?
Men are perfectly able to father more men, women, and momen
Momen are perfectly able to mother more men, women, and momen
Women are only able to mother men and women.

Women are thus the odd one out. the other 2 genders are capable of producing all 3 genders while women are only able to produce 2 out of the 3. clearly there is something wrong with women.
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males are taken at birth by the government raised and milked for the rest of their life in top secret facilities, their seeds is sold for extraordinary prices, making this a multi trillions $$$ business.
The few males that successfully go out have to go full trap to stay hidden.
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>>43464200
That's just Wasted workforce.
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>>43464134
That could work, though it needn't be so sinister (unless that's the tone you're going for).

Just set up some monastic or clerical orders in the countryside. Your first monster girl daughter gets married to the son of that other family down the road and your friend's human daughter. Your second monster daughter might be able to find herself a boy looking for second monster wife. Your third monster girl daughter? She might have to get used to the church life.
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>tfw my wife has a scaled, fish-like or possibly reptillian lower half
>tfw she jumps out of our bathroom window when I discover this
>tfw I never see her again
>tfw I would have loved her anyway
>tfw I thought her scales were beautiful
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>>43464102
Really? I would always play a paladin in those sorts of settings. 'Society's fucked, go fix it', that sort of thing. So in this sort of setting I probably encourage the players to play people working for the church, but are actually interested in coexistence, not just riding it to political power.
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>>43464020
But splitting the females in two doesn't make any sense. You might as well make a new gender for every genetic variant of females.
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>>43456360
It happened with selkies, yuki-onna, succubi, all sorts of female-only mythical creatures from all sorts of mythology, really.
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>>43464099
>but the monster traits are results of cytoplasmic inheritance and epigenetics.

It would still be selected against over time. Natural selection doesn't magically only effect DNA. It's a general process that can apply to any inheritable thing. If that inherited trait decreases your fitness, you and people like you will have less babies.

In a scenario with monster girls and regular women, where women do not produce monstergirls but monstergirls produce women, women are going to win out easily.
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>>43456264
your shit's all retarded, mate
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>>43464282

I was shooting for kinda sinister, but I guess that doesn't fit the sort of positive polyamorous society that suggested it first. I just liked the idea that the monsters making the woods unsafe and keeping people from going outside at night could have been part of society before they were forced out. Also to give adventurers in the setting something to do. Maybe after their man was snatched a housewife and monstergirl set out to have yuri adventures and avenge him, that sort of thing.
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How about a setting where they was a massive war and most men 16-40 were drafted and killed in action? That would be a semi reasonable reason to have the women outnumber the men.
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>>43464131

Op here.


The better question would be that who will fight most of war.
Even at 3:1 sex ratio I think they can still afford to lose some men, but how much. That is the question.

I think women and momen will play a bigger role in the army, but it's difficult to determine to which extend. But I think there would be a lot of female army unit on the battlefield.

Cyclops and Lamiae offering fire support while Fauns and Kinnaree get in position with their RPGs.

Hell, some momen may even be better fighter than men.
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>>43456325
>>43456707
>>43457029
>>43457530
>>43463669
>Tumblrscum invading /tg/ once again

Dont you have something better to do like complaning about Fartrape and Manspreading?
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>>43456357
>Why are we assuming the vast majority of men are screwing monsters
C'mon Anon.
Look where you are.
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>>43464581
speaking of, I am reminded of this interview with a woman who claimed she was almost raped by governor schwarzinger when they were young
She want on a date with him. then he walked her home, he kissed her, he was a really bad kisser. She was afraid he was gonna rape her so she said "NO" and he backed off immediately and left. And that is the story of how she was "almost raped" by the govinator
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>>43464581

>they don't want to play some neckbeard's jackoff fantasy, they must not belong here!
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>>43456264
Well, aside from >>43456325, I have an answer for you. Because I've literally got a BA in this and I love monstergirls.

First, harems / polygamist relationships become common. Due to the lack of men, women will need to share. This combines with a rise in homosexual relationships as well for those who do not want to share a man. Both of these would be common place and unremarkable, generally speaking.

Second, the initiators of intimacy would be women. Since there is so much competition for a mate among women themselves men have become passive in society in this regard.

Third, society would probably be run entirely by women. With men at such a premium they'd no longer be doing dangerous job (crab fishing, explosive tech, soldier, etc) or be doing hard labor. Why work your ass off when one, four, or eight women want to support you? Path of least resistance. But it would be easier because the cost of living for the man would be shard by the entire harem rather than on the shoulders of an individual.

Fourth, the notion of romance would change. Rather than being "someone's one and only" it would be "being first wife" or something like that. This I'm less sure on. But it seems to make sense in context.

The rest of society's changes would be from the fact there are monstergirls in the populace, not necessarily the gender ratio. See Everyday Monstergirls for more on this.

Parsley sage rosemary and thyme. Next time just read Everyday Monstergirls and don't post a stupid thread.
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>>43464581
Not everyone who thinks you're a fucking degenerate for trying to make your fap fantasy into a tabletop game is le evil sjw boogeyman. It's everyone who isn't an autistic neckbeard
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>>43464659
>Everything I dont like is magical Realm and thus a neckbeard jackoff fantasy

Yep. You and that stick up your ass really do not belong here.
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>>43464668
>Because I've literally got a BA in this and I love monstergirls.
you got a bachlors of arts in monstergirl sociology? from which college?
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>>43456264
see
>>43456325
/thread
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>>43456325
Seconding
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>>43456325
Because games about violence and death are totally mature and well-adjusted.
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>>43464517
Given that they'd probably make up most of the population?
Fighting would probably be a momen's job
Add in other advantages they'd have and I'd guess most fighting would be done by them
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>>43464687
>Not everyone who thinks

I agree with this. That said, I still believe you are a Tumblrkin. So go bully artists for drawing Steven Universe Characters with the wrong skincolour or something, you Untermensch.
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>>43464699
Hikikomori Poly-technical Institute.

Minored in Internet Arguments too.
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>>43464668
>Next time just read Everyday Monstergirls and don't post a stupid thread

I'm not a weeaboo. I hate those harem/fan-service shit.
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>>43457118
>Wow. And to think I added monstergirls in my setting only because I wanted to know how it could work genetically. As a showcase of knowledge.
your picture gave your intentions away
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>>43464740
Hey, its a fellow HIP guy, I too come from HIP, I have a Masters degree in baiting.
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>>43464749
Yet you make this thread and used that image.

>implying reading manga makes you a weeb
Come on.
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>>43464668
This is pretty insightful but I seriously doubt the first wife thing. its not very romantic at all. I find it more plausible to be a more shared romance between all partners as the idea. where you love your fellow wives as much as the husband.

That being said, it seems the society you are painting is heavily based around modern western society which doesn't make sense, for the vast majority of history marriage was not about romance, it was arranged for reasons both practical and political. You had 10 kids to work the farm, you had professional matchmakers and parental approval.
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>>43464790
Oh man, that's awesome. How'd you do in Waifu 101? Nearly failed that fucking class because I chose a Western Waifu and refused to change it.
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>>43464837
Also, gender roles were also assigned based on physical ability. The reason there were male soldiers is because men are more likely to be stronger. If these monster girls are stronger than human men, they'll probably end up doing the more dangerous jobs anyway.
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>>43464787
Oh no the IMAGE INQUISITOR is here, ready to tell us all about what kind of person OP is due to his picturechoice.
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>>43464861
Well, that and the fact that women are more valuable for population growth. One night and the dude's job is done. He can go fight a war afterwards. Women, on the other hand, take a lot more time and energy on the whole reproduction thing.
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>>43456264
>in my setting

I should probably just filter this phrase, the words that follow those words will inevitably make me facepalm.
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>>43456325
>Traditional Games
>Games

The clue is in the name you colossal sperg.
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Women would be the workers, men would not be risked, so while men have better shoulders and ability to build muscle they wouldn't have near as much opportunity.

Men would be bartered and sold like women are, but be considered more valuable/less of a burden.

Fucking outside the marriage unit would be really really disproved of. Everyone is sharing one cock, so if someone brings in a disease then everyone will get it.

Cultural differences:
Some cultures might have actual sister-wives. A family of sisters all sharing the same father (and who's mothers all shared the same father) would all marry one man.

Or it might be more female focused, where women from one family marry the women from another family, and then take a husband from a third. Harder to track bloodlines, probably more popular in intervillage romance and upper classes.
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>>43459433
>Polygyny never existed
>Harems don't exist
>Involuntary celibacy doesn't exist
>What the fuck is the Middle East?
What are things he never said or implied? Strawman somewhere else you fag.
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>>43464689

Nobody said that was the case, there's been plenty of discussion about how this setting would work, much of it openly embracing the fetishy aspects. What people are calling OP out for is trying to make a monstergirl fetish game and pretending it's something else. It would be more fun for him and his players if everyone was open about it.

You don't need to be so defensive, and you don't need to invent internet enemies around every corner. Just try to relax and join in the discussion.
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>>43464659
It's not so much that tumblrinas don't want to play our jack-off fantasies as much as they don't want them to exist in the first place. There's always the option of ignoring what you don't want to participate in, you know. I'm not into LARP so, and pay attention because this is where shit gets weird, I DON'T go to LARP conventions to tell everyone they're a bunch of childish idiots who need to grow up.
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>>43456264
2 things OP
>In my setting, monstergirls (I call them Leanan sídhe)
One, God fucking damnit OP
>reproduce by having sex with men.
Two, having a sapient race reproduce ONLY by having sex with ANOTHER sapient race is really fucking stupid, especially if you're trying to go about this "realistically". It's also quite fetish-y in this case.
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>>43464687

/pol/esmokers are also human turds, who should be put in a human centipede with the tumblr crowd.
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>>43464867
I don't agree with the poster you replied to, but the picture sets the mood of the thread. It's the first thing people see and what they use to decide if they read the thread or not,

So if you use a picture of some barely clothed anime girls, your more likely to get posters interested in that.
It is OP's responsibillity to not fuck up the start of a thread, and getting the right picture is important for that.
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>>43465176

the word you are looking for is "versimilitude"
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>>43465237
Or you just use it to grab attention or simply because you don't have a better one
...not too many nonscantly clade monstegirl pics come to think about it
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>>43464901
So you would prefer for people to make broad generalisations then indicate when something is only their personal take and when not?

I mean I agree that most ideas that get presented here are bad, but I rather get annoyed and skip after the first sentence then remove the expression of different settings from my perception.
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>>43464851
I cheated on Waifu 101
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>>43465318
When "the new" decided to invade is when the former mindset shifted to the latter. Not that we weren't always "bad" but its getting notably worse.
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>>43464581
I will never understand the rational of people who hate sjw topics, but bring up said topics every chance they get. isn't the main thrust of antisjw movement that sjw's are overly concerned with petty things? If it was petty why do you have to bring it up in an unrelated conversation?
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>>43464851
Man, that class is a trap. Your better off choosing none at all, because either you don't have the waifu your proff approves, or you have his and he lets you fail out of jealousy.
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>>43464922
>Men would be bartered and sold like women are
uh... what?
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>>43465499
Don't. Its bait.

Unless they're literally talking about slavery and or dowries. But that's still bait.
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>>43465465
2/10
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>>43461555
I'm glad somebody understands this.
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>>43465465
This is essentially saying that SJWs shouldn't be called out on their gay bullshit, which is a great way to allow them to continue to ruin everything they touch.
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>>43465616
>Proud kek
Nice
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>>43461555
>>43465617
See >>43461789

They're also explicitly divinely created so they have a lot more wiggle room
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If we go with what other anons have said about men taking lower risk jobs then wouldn't that mean women/monsterwomen are naturally selected for different things than they are historically in our world?

So you'd probably end up with some totally fucked sexual dimorphism which will probably give you a totally different race of humans?
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>>43465616
Fuck off already, /pol/. There's even /his/ now, so you have no reason to shitpost here anymore.
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>tfw monster girl fetishest
>tfw sargon fanboy

Who else is feeling extreme vicarious shame for op's autism in this thread?
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>>43465737
Possibly, but going by OP's other setting details monstergirls may be fairly new, not to mention the confirmed presence of gods could screw with things

I do think there would be some drift, but not enough to get weird, or rather weirder than having a third gender already is

>>43465752
Not me, all things considered it's not bad, anon's just being anon and sperging out assuming the worst case with OP
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>>43465642
yeah but this was a thread about monstergirl harems, and then random anon starts complaining other people complaining about manspreading. How is that related or warranted at all?
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>>43465752
Not me, all I am feeling is boners
This might be because this thread is explicitly stated to be about monstergirls and I went in
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>>43465836

If anything, the HURR SJWS RUIN EVERYTHING guy derailed a monstergirl harem thread into talking about himself and what he hates instead of anything productive.

Great job, anon!
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>>43465747
>pulling the /pol/-card

Shows that you are new to /tg/. Now get out, normie.
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>>43465752
>Sargon fanboy
All I'm getting on a google search is Sargon of Akkad.
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>>43465616
>that pic
truth, saved
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>>43465752
>like a thing
>vlogger doesn't like a thing
>bahh bahh I am a sheep, I must pray to the cult of personality
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>>43465752
Not me, but your autism is making me cringe
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>>43465836
I don't know about manspreading but several anons seemed to think that even the setting of a monstergirl harem was "problematic," which is stupid since this is a board designed to explore a wide range of subjects. Why is fantasy about monstergirl harems more problematic than fantasies of running orcs through with swords?
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>>43465752
>>tfw sargon fanboy
what is a sargon?
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>>43466036
It's more like
>don't like General thing
>guy points out specific things about General thing
>recreationally hate specific things
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>>43466102
A sargon is Sargon of Akkad, a moderate MRA-type guy on youtube.
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>>43456560

I have something vaguely similar in my setting. Basically one of the nations has sizable deposits of a magical mineral that produces a sort of magical radiation that causes most births to be female. So their gender ratio is all screwed to hell. They tend to have polygamous relationships, and the males are considered too valuable to put in high risk scenarios. Hence stuff like learning magic, Adventuring/fighting in general, and other jobs with a high risk of death are considered a "Female's Job". Was fun having the players show up and only the upper ranked members of the local adventurer's guild would treat them seriously.
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>>43466088
It's totally fine if you want to go "Hey so I'm making a thing, I know it's fetishy but my players like that, anyway can you help me make this sound more believable". It's another thing to go OP's route and deny at every turn that your setting where monstergirls make up 50% of the 'human' population may have some fetishy bias to it.

That being said, we have one of these threads every week or so, and they're often as productive as shampooing mud. So far it's been suggested that men would probably have a reduced role in warfare? and that polygyny will likely be fairly common, and it's been 230 posts.
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>>43464442
>If that inherited trait decreases your fitness, you and people like you will have less babies.
>
>In a scenario with monster girls and regular women, where women do not produce monstergirls but monstergirls produce women, women are going to win out easily.
Unless the gods regularly make a couple thousand more of them and drop them someplace at random, since we're talking about a trait that was explicitly created by gods.
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>>43466207
In all fairness there's only been about 60 or so posts of discussion
Most have just been trying to shame OP for fetish with a bit of /pol/ thrown in
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>>43466255
Yes, you can magic away anything with magic.
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>>43466207
>all he'd have to do is admit to his fetish and we'll leave him alone

Yeah, right.
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>>43466276
But how much of that could have been prevented by OP writing a better opening post and having a small info dump at the beginning clearly stating what they'd got so far, with better developed questions targeting specific things?

/tg/ isn't entirely incapable of having this discussion in a productive manner, but with the very vague information that's been slowly added to without the thread it's been very difficult for people to actually have a productive discussion, but OP's left a good number of posts asking important questions unanswered while cutting off certain ideas because they don't fit with certain facts they'd already decided for their setting but didn't tell us.

It really would have been better to have all the information dumped up front in 2 or 3 posts instead of scattered throughout the thread with nothing but wording to distinguish OP from any other poster.
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>>43466453
That's true, but the idea itself isn't shit and even if OP can't use them, on topic discussion can lead to other interesting ideas
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>>43466453
Personally, if OP hadn't kept saying "it's to showcase my knowledge" I would have been more inclined to help him, it just sounds douchy and something a shitty GM would do. Informed settings are great, but the goal of a campaign should never be to inform the players about your setting.
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>>43466453
I'll post something more organized in a few days.
And I'll add some more details about the setting itself to make things less confusing.
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>>43466207
To be fair, there was also a fair bit of discussion on population genetics, and the seed of an interesting setting.

The thing is, /tg/ is bad at concise conversations. They don't go from point A to point B in a straight line. They start at A, deconstruct the role of Z, calculate the makeup of the atmosphere based on vegetative cover in the setting, go read a book on medieval food systems, flirt with roman numerals a bit, call someone a faggot, talk about whether societal trends can be implied by certain details, post some anime pictures, get slammed for their shit taste, talk about the period appropriate techniques that could possibly be used to create the armor in the anime pics that were posted, go to space, call someone /pol/, and then, if the thread has been pruned from the vine, answer the original question.

And I wouldn't have it any other way.
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>>43466714
Yea, I personally put a lot of thought into why my setting is like it is, but don't really tell the players every detail, saving that info for knowledge checks or when a certain area/race shows up.
I have a fairy people section planned for them to stumble on later, incidentally while on a different quest, and when they do I'll tell them the relevant fairy lore
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>>43456662
It's spelt leannan sidhe.
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>>43466207
you know damn well the trolls would do exactly the same thing regardless of how he phrased his thread.

/tg/ can't deal with anything involving ladies these days.
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>>43456264
Someone doesn't biology.
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>>43456911
Convinced? No not 100% but as someone who came here hoping to look at a thread about making a believable setting with gender imbalance but instead got a load of shitposting about OP having a MR I will say it's a maybe.
On topic I don't know if you would get a 50% Leanan Sidhe outcome.
A human female offers a 50% son outcome and a Leanan Sidhe only offers a 25% outcome (I'm assuming natural selection doesn't notice that male human is the best way to pass your DNA on and adjust this as it would IRL) so I would assume 60% or more human unless the Leanan Sidhe offer something human females don't like higher fertility. On the other hand the Leanan Sidhe are peace envoys so we need to look at what that does to their standing.
>>43456662
>But in region where human live close to fairies, there are much more women than men.
If people are free to move about some of them will try and move somewhere that gives them a better ratio so men will move towards the fairies and women away (if they can women would seek to keep the Leanan Sidhe where the fairies are).
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>>43470457
We've been over this, you're making assumptions that might not hold true in this case
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>>43470457
Do you have to, in a fantasy setting?
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>>43470560
It's more of a science fantasy. There are magic, but things are mostly technological. But the condition of the universe caps the tech level at WWII-Cold War era tech.

The setting has to be internally consistent from a scientific stand point.
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>>43470624
>internally consistent from a scientific
Well, in that case not having reproduction work like the real world as long as it's consistent in setting should be fine
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>>43457747
>Sexual selection is somehow affected by an instinctive knowledge of who would produce the highest percentage of male children

So, what, does the guy smell the pussy and know what his chances of a boy are instinctively, or do you really not understand that natural selection is based on expressed traits, not genetic markers?
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>>43456264
women naturally form cliques like they do today, only you have to seduce the entire cliques. men having sex outside of the cliques is considered taboo and cheating. cliques are mostly formed from sisters and long time family friends. once a clique is established it must be legally approved by the regions government system, and the girls must be 18 years of age to create said clique. minimum limit per clique is 3 though cliques can be in the hundreds. the larger a woman's clique the more prestigious it is, and obviously the harder it is to woo them. most women except nobility try to maintain a medium sized to smaller clique to ensure suiter success. most cliques can be formed before birth and are inherited in upper class systems, though farmer and peasant cliques are generally formed from schools and general neighbors. the effort to remove someone from a cliques is a pain in the ass and typically resorts in in court hearings much like a divorce, this generally doesn't happen and is considered to be disdainful disgusting by the population at large and therefore girls must be careful about forming their cliques. not all women join cliques some are antisocial and others just don't like to share, these women typically have an even worse stigma than the ones rejected by a clique.
husbands to a clique must love and accept each member of the clique in order to be an acceptable marriage partner to the clique or have their marriage arranged, it is looked down upon in society to have favoritism for only a select few in a clique thous it does happen, be sure not to ostracize to many of them or a divorce may occur. Like divorce the women generally take everything for no good logical reason and considering its multiple women in the divorce the man is generally left homeless and destitute so treating their women right is a major part of the husbands day or he will end up with jack shit.
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>>43470783
Natural selection =/= sexual selection.

No, you don't magically know who has the best genes. But if you happen to breed with someone with good genes, your offspring have a better chance of passing on those good genes, because compared to their peer's they'll either die less or make more babies. Sexual selection is a mode of natural selection, not the only mechanism by which natural selection works.
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I came into this thread for the monster girl pictures. I have been let down.
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>>43470500
Assuming human? Sex is determined by the male only, if the female was defining the sexual characteristics of the offspring the child would be either sterile, or inviable.
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>>43464892
>One night and the dude's job is done. He can go fight a war afterwards. Women, on the other hand, take a lot more time and energy on the whole reproduction thing.
Not sending your males to fuck the enemy so their troops are knocked up? 0/10. Would not wifu.
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>>43470560
Not really, It's just I will complain like a bitch if your magical realm is inconsistent with reality. It's how I stopped my magical realm DM from inserting his fetishes into the game. Mainly by bitching him out about factual inconsistencies. (like electrocution burning away clothes, but leaving no burns).
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>>43471823
>Not sending your female soldiers into the field with sealed containers of semen and turkey basters so that they can inseminate captured enemy forces even on the battlefield, without endangering the valuable lives of men.

It's like you try to be this shit.
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>>43464892
Depends entirely on the mating strategy, promiscuity? Yes. social or sexual monogamy? Hell no.
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>>43471873
>inconsistent with reality
I hope you're playing in a hyper-realistic setting with no magic, no technology that isn't within current projections of our future capabilities, and no anachronisms at all, otherwise you're heading straight into "Complaining about potato stew in D&D" territory.
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>>43471780
>Divinely created third gender/subspecies
I can buy a mechanism makes this work
We're already assuming it does, now we're just working back what would be the effects
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>>43471873
>is inconsistent with reality
>In a fantasy setting
>When the explanation could be because magic or because Zeus likes titties
I think it's more likely the DM just got tired of you being That Guy and didn't have the balls to boot you
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>>43471948
I did mention it's only when the 'magical realm' part of the game is played up. Fetishes are fine, but not when I have no desire to be part of it and you're involving me anyway.
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>>43471984
He made our minotaur fuck a cow under pain of death. No one but the DM was into it. Trust me the anonymous vote came in at 7 against one to boot. Which we did and now the game is has a lot less tentacle monsters.
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>>43472063
Did you try talking to him first?
Assholish behavior doesn't mean you should reply in kind
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>>43471950
The ultimate handwave! But seriously, if the ratio of children was 100% one gender (sterile), 50% split male/female or some form of parasitic asexual reproduction where in by the adult cloned itself (which honestly sounds cooler) it would make more sense.
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>>43472104
Yeah, and he gave a speech about how we weren't mature enough to understand the themes behind the game. 2 players gave up after the minotaur, the rest made the vote after the orphanage.
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>>43472145
You guys have no imaginations. Have you ever heard of epigenetics and cytoplasmic inheritance?
What you they teach you in biology nowadays.
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>>43472176
Okay then, you have a point then, I'd have advocated leaving but I take back my complaint about how you handled that

Though I do wonder why you think the same sort of thing should be done here
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>>43471997
Why not just talk to your DM like an adult rather than being a passive-aggressive homo?
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>>43472196
Enough external DNA to make offspring of different species without a lot of invalid by produts? And epigentic refers to the non heritable aspect (transcription only) of genes, so hair color change due to temperature. Maybe emergenesis would work.

>>43472213
Trust me, we started out well but the world seemed to be built around forcing us into 'uncomfortable' situations. The only reason I did it was because we had told him to cut his crap out, and when he didn't we just did our best to waste his time.

>>43472216
See >>43472176
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>>43471780
yep sex is determined by the male of the species
unless there is something that cuts the production of y chromosomes produced by males in half its always going to be around a 50 50 split on gender
if anything it would be a 50% male 37.5% dominate female 12.5 recessive female split if monster girl traits were sex linked in the human population. this is a ball park answer to not taking into account sexual selection by mates.
the Y chromosome would express a dominate trait that keeps them human, it would have to pretty much be linked up with the sex chromosomes for this splitting to happen. with out the expression of the Y chromosome the genetic fallback is on the X chromosomes producing these traits. one trait must be dominate as a stipulation would therefore mean 75% of females homozygous dominate and hetrozygous are expressed and 25% are homozygous recessive. these are not exact or ideal selections in that one could die off from natural selection and/or sexual selection. this is just a statistical guideline.
the only thing i can think of that would severly limit the male population is if a XY pairing occurred and the X chromosome contained the monster gene and nothing is viable withjust the monster gene and thus the male dies in utero, so would homozygous females for the monster Gene. meaning only heterozygous females survive and homozygus vanilla human females survive. the statistics on this would look like this 25% vanilla male, 12.5% vanilla female, 25% monster girl, and the rest are stillborns or dead babies. adjusting this ratio to just the living populations it would be 37.5% vanilla males, 37.5 monster girls, and 25% vanilla females. again this does not take into account natural selection or sexual selection.
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>>43472648
But we already have a confirmed 50/25/25 split in favor of monstergirls when it comes to maleXmonstergirl pairing, so that's obviously not what's happening here, your current model for how this works is therefor wrong
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>>43472648
Thank you. Would just be easier to make them sequential hermaphrodites. And say that by maturity 100% are female monster girls.
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>>43472695
Short of magic, or aromatase that ratio shan't happen.
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>>43472695
i was making the point that the 50/25/25 split is fucking impossible on a genetic level, then giving an example of how monster girl trait could pass down and then giving an example based on the previous one that would limit the male population.
this is the best you are going to get on numbers if you want a sciency explanation.

I have been drinking and my words are not coming out good but i checked my math 3 times and it's correct.
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>>43472718
i think he wants some males for the magical realm self inserts.
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>>43472951
Then do it the old fashioned way.
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>>43472915
Again, you're assuming a lot about how it works
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>>43473019
If it didn't work like that then the offspring would be inviable or sterile. So the guys math isn't wrong.
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>>43472915
>>43473054
Question, I don't know much about the inner working of genetics but given 50/25/25 is the observed split, couldn't there just be a sort of a GX sex chromosome on the monstergirl side that if the child gets the G half it overrides the conventional gender selection to GX (monstergirl) and if it gets the X half it takes the other sex chromosome from the father leading to a 50% GX, 25% XX, and 25% XY split?
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>>43473054
Why?
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>>43473006
magic? then why ask for a logical explanation
>>43473019
no, i'm not. I'm giving you literally the maximum gender difference that can occur in a species over one specific trait that only way to increase the gap is for ANOTHER trait to have the exact same mode of inheritance.
the only real assumption made was the disregarding of natural and sexual selection which both can alter the number significantly. but from a pure statistics perspective that is the max number ratio you can get
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>>43473098
If the species have enough differences that they have different sex chromosomes then the GX genotype would be sterile.
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>>43473138
If the monstergirls have a determining sex chromosome (the only way to get the 2:1:1 ratio) the offspring would be sterile as the two chromosomes are in compatible.
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>>43473156
Kek, I mean fuck a women like the faggot he is.
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>>43473054
Again, assuming a lot about how it works, if the 50/25/25 split is the assumed behavior, the model that doesn't come out to match it must not be true

I do get where you're coming from, I'm just assuming OP's split is the observed behavior so models that deviate from it are obviously proved untrue, or at least incomplete
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>>43473173
>>43473249
You're going to have to explain why there can't be a third sex chromosome, I could understand why a GG genotype couldn't be fertile, but why would a GX not be fertile?
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>>43473280
Not assuming, we know that OP wants the male to be a human. And we already know a lot about how sex is determined in humans, and why we have trouble reproducing with other mammals. So the science is on point.
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>>43472915
>>43473249
>>43473156

Op here

Old Mechanism

In the beginning I made so that monstergirl trait is contained in the cytoplasm. You inherit 99.99% of your mother's cytoplasm.

It worked like this

>Monster Cytoplasm + XY = Human boy.

>Monster Cytoplasm + XX = Monster Girl

However I realized that XY/XX may not be enough for such kind of traits activation. And there is also the problem that MonsterGirl cannot give birth to human daughters.


New Mechanism

So a way to get around this was to assume:
-Sex is determined by female rather than male.
>XX=Boy
>XY=Girl
-Monstergirl produce two type of Ovum: Monster and Human
>Human XX = Human Boy
>Human XY = Human Girl
>Monster XX= Death Ovum
>Monster XY= Monster Girl

The end result is 50% of ovum produce monster girl the other 50% produce Human Boy or Girl. It's not perfect but having different ovums type does give biology more rooms to work with.

Right now I'm trying to find that new way so that sex is determined by the male yet still retain the 2:1:1 ratio.

I'm currently looking into alternative way of sex determination in the animal kingdom, so that I can find a even better mechanism.
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>>43473098
if I'm reading what you are saying correctly
that was literally the first part of the argument.
just that would result in 50% males 37.5% monster girls, and 12.5 % normal girls
i then followed up with a what if the monster girl gene is a trait that isn't viable on its own and how it had to be linked to the x chromosome to eliminate males. the issue with this gene is that it would kill homozygous dominate females in utero as well as males, the female population would still heavily outweigh the male population though.
37.5% males to 62.5% female

unless you are saying there is some kind of mutated x chromosome that results in monster girls and when it pairs with the y chromosome the y isn't expressed. then its some kind of mutant male that has female reproductive organs and wouldn't be nearly as fertile as the xx conterparts. i have to sit down and do the math for that.
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>>43473334
>why we have trouble reproducing with other mammals
I had assumed it was due to differing number of chromosomes and differences in biochemistry, why would a divinely created third gender, who hypothetically was designed to be compatible on both factors with human reproduction not work?

>>43473360
Thoughts on >>43473098 override idea?
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>>43473173
Is that necessarily true though? I mean, once you add in handwavium enough that G holds enough genetic data to make both dragon people and slugpeople, then it doesn't matter that we've never seen a nonsterile GX pair or ZX pair in reality.

The other thing that could contribute to a imbalance of gender would be increased mortality rate in males and a decreased mortality rate in females. Base born humans might make up 50% of the total population born, but the nature of the environment they live in means they are less likely to reach adulthood.

Say 50% of the population born is female of which 50% is monsterperson and 50% is basehuman, and 50% is male and 100% of that is basehuman. Basehumans have less survivability due to whatever, and being a monstergirl doesn't consume enough extra resources that they are killed at birth and their monster traits make them more likely to survive their environ. At adulthood (say 16) the mortality rate brings the population to approximately whatever the OP needs to justify his fetish world.
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>>43473280
What he's saying is that realistically/logically there's no way to end up with the numbers OP has given. His point is to prove that the statistics OP gave are unrealistic, which should be valid feedback, considering how multiple times OP has stated "I like to make things realistic." yet the scenario (discounting the fact it's about magic demi-human animal people) isn't possible, and relies on going "It's magic, I don't have to explain shit." to keep the numbers the way they are.
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>>43456662

You know what the original Monster Girl setting needs? Genocidal fairies led by their last few males intent on tearing down the Monster Lord(ess's) reign in retribution for basically condemning their species to slow extinction, IoM style.
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>>43473401
I don't understand the 37.5/12.5 split though
In my head it checks first for Human/monster with a 50/50 split there and the monsters are ALWAYS female due to G doing something to force any Y to be X, and then on the human half does the conventional gender selection resulting in a 25/25 split there
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>>43473322
Different sex chromosomes for a species means different incompatible lengths, genes and maybe even amino acids. For human cross breeds at least this scenario would not exist.
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>>43473531
Okay, but
>Artificially created chromosome
I doubt the setting's gods would forget to ensure G matches length, genes, and amino acids
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>>43473360
so the race functions like a cricket or a chickens genome
look up the ZW sex determination or the XO sex determination these are systems where the female determines the gender.
i do not think you can get a clean 50% 25% 25% cut though but your odds of female to male ratio increases largely with female sex determination
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>>43473531
Here's where you mess up, we KNOW this chromosome is artificially designed, so that probably wouldn't apply unless the gods didn't want monstergirls to breed
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>>43473414
The number of chromosomes is the main problem for reproduction, but just as important is the size/shape of the chromosome. In the case of the 'G' chromosome there is no situation it could exist without producing a sterile offspring.
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>>43473570
Now who's making assumptions. The original post never said magic was involved.
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>>43456264
>Naming an entire race of beings after literal sluts in Gaelic mythology
Why the fuck would you do that
Just call them monsters or some shit
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>>43473628
And a creator god who explicitly had a hand in their addition to humanity and their current relationship with them couldn't make sure they have the right size/shape?

>>43473663
Yes he did, people asked for more details, OP provided them >>43456662, the monstergirls are artificially created add on to humanity, by the same god that made humanity
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>>43473414
>>43473098

I think

The Gene overwrite is to complex and will be prone to error. I don't think there is any mechanism like that in nature. Nature selection favors thing that simple yet effective.

The sex determined by female thing already exist among bird. I simply tweaked a bit with what something that already exist in nature.

>>43473465

Fairies are not one species, but a group of species.

Biologically speaking Monster girls are actually human genetically. But they have the soul and biology of a fairy.

Also both human and fairy are gonna have bigger thing to worry about. Because the descendants of the Creator was planning to kill everyone: Mortal, Gods, Demon, Demiurges, every one and everything.
Pic related: a pic from my sketch book.

>>43473577
Thanks
I'll look more into that

>>43473663
No magic involved. In tries to pull this off with just science.
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>>43473715
>No magic involved. In tries to pull this off with just science.
I'm not assuming magic, I'm assuming the god had enough knowledge to make sure all the gears lined up so to speak
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>>43473592
Then they're the same species, presumably against OP's magical realm.
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>>43473714
I came in at a scientific angle, you can handwave anything with omnipotence. Not to even mention a 3rd gender is completely redundant so why bother.
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>>43473715
Divine intervention is still magic. Besides what is gained by having a 3rd sexual gender. It's as unnecessary as tits on a bull.
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>>43473480
yeah you were giving the 2nd example i said in the last post reading this
the 50% 37.5 and the 12.5% split is this as follow
XmY, XY for males where the Xm isn't expressed in males other wise you get monsterous males therefor the Y gene is dominate to the X in all instances. this means an even 50% are vanilla males
37.5% is the 25% of XmX and the 12.5% of XmXm
12.5% of vanilla females is the 12.5% of of XX
where Xm is a X chromosome that caries the monster girl gene.
I then followed up with the idea that in order to eliminate males the Xm gene would have to be fatal on it's own. this means half the possible males would be dead before birth and 25% of the females would be dead before birth. the deaths would be all the XmY and the XmXm
this would result in a 37.5%,37.5%, 25% split where the females total 62.5%
this is the max you can get from a sex linked XY system without reapplying a new trait that follows the exact same method to kill off men.

your example clearly is stating an additional monster chromosome exists and if you are familiar with genetics at all and what extra chromosome do you'd probably not suggest it.

chicken and cricket gentics might get you close but i don't think you can get a 50, 25, 25 split. i have to do some math haven't touched those in years.
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>>43473360
The problem with this method is it's an eventuality that the female gender dies off, as the only organism that can carry females has such unfavorable odds.
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This thread proves /tg/ is full of Down's Syndrome jackasses.

All OP wanted to know is what would happen in a society of 75% women. That's it. How is that so hard to understand?

This is why I hate gamers and why I stopped playing games (tabletop and video), so I could get away from people like YOU. And every time I think "Hey, I was being too harsh, maybe I'll give them another chance" and what's the first thing I see after a six-month hiatus? THIS THREAD REMINDING ME WHY I LEFT YOU DIPSHITS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Please, please get AIDS and die, all of you.
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>>43474055
This is a bait thread so yes it's cancerous and no constructive.
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>>43456875
It isn't scewed that much actually, with Sunseekers you've got Nunhs which are the breeding males and Tias which aren't. Nunhs can be challenged by a Tia for breeding rights or a Tia that distinguishes itself can be raised to a Nunh. Nunhs apparently also don't automatically lead the tribe according to something I read on the lore forums. Meanwhile Moonkeepers just kick out the men after a certain age and they wander around and try to impress a female when they want to get laid.
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>>43474055
2/10. You were going strong at the beginning but the jump to hating gamers/games was too abrupt and everything escalated too quickly after that. In future apply more effort to keep the insults low-key in order to seem sincere and allow people to take what you say more seriously.
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>>43474055
no he didn't
he wanted an explanation for how a 50% 25% 25% system would work logically and realistically and a few people have shown up to tell him it can't from a standard genetics perspective and a bunch of people that can't get into probability are going no you are wrong math wizards, then some people have suggested the chicken and cricket models of genetics, which everyone that has suggested it also says wont result in those numbers.

this thread is literally OP demanding his accountants to make the numbers fit what he wants when no amount of loop holing will get him there.
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>>43473715
>No magic involved.
>A god creating an entire new species from nothing isn't magic
>Monstergirls, which would probably have impossible anatomies to actually exist, isn't magic
>What is basically a 3rd gender for the human race, which wouldn't make sense from a biological standpoint, isn't magic
m8
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>>43474249
Thank you for the recognition, eventually they seem to have fitted into a 3rd redundant sex chromosome that is perfect and artificially made by a god to fit perfectly into human genetics.
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>>43474331
>m8
Every time I see this or something like b8 or gr8 I can't help but think people are trying to copy her
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I've got it
i'll take from anouther post the idea of Xm with is the monster gene.
Xm is dominate in all instances
XmY is a monster girl that only produces Xm eggs and is half as fertile as other women
Y is dominate to plain X
there for XY is male
you now have a 25% XY population, 25% less fertile XmY monster girl population (think turner sydrome), fully fertile 25% XmXm monster girls, and 25% fully fertile XX females.

I have no clue in hell HOW a Xm would overwrite a Y but lets chalk it up to a mysterious internal genetic signaling that tells the system to ignore the Y chromosome.

essentially they would still be men though just with all the female parts that actually work.
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>>43474598
Chromosomes aren't genes. So no dominant, only determinant forms are present.
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>>43474598
Not even mentioning the hypothetical XmY wouldn't be viable.
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>>43474671
actually y is dominate to X it's how sex is determined
if you have a Y chromosome no matter how many X's you are male, what i'm saying is there is something in the Xm that makes the body ignore the Y is there altogether and the body develops like a monster female XO also known as turner syndrome.
there is no natural mutation to have ever occurred in nature to do this but whats not to say it didnt natural occur in wherever the fuck this is.
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>>43474749
in the instance i was using it, i was trying to say XmY IS viable.
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>>43474772
No Y determines sex (hence determinant), having Y means male. If it was dominant then the organism could exist as YY.
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>>43474823
ok, then switch out the word dominate with the word determinate in ever instance i used dominate.
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>>43474800
So Xm for all purposes is the same as X? The list you're giving so far is asking that Xm is exactly (100%) the same as X. You've just asked for the X chromosome.
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>>43474877
Then Xm can't be determinate without allowing a XmX type. Face it, it doesn't work at these ratios unless they're some form of sequential hermaphrodites. Which would be retarded for such large organisms.
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>>43474935
nope Xm is determinate of sex for female and results in monster traits
XmY is female because the Xm is determinate
the only male posible of being produced is a XY
the only ones capble of producing male offspring however would be
XmX, and XX since a Y egg is impossible to create.
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>>43475029
oh damn i forgot about the XmX
but hey that would slant it more towards the female side
the population would be less than 25% males
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>>43475042
Same size, same bonding, same compatibility.

You have just asked for X, with a few different genes attached. That is also now able to be a sex determinant in a completely redundant 3rd gender that serves zero purpose beyond fetish bait. Yes this pleases Slaanesh.
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>>43475120
Thread is shit, short of magic this can't be achieved without genetic recoding.
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>>43475160
oh emperor no
i've committed heresy unbeknownst to me.
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>>43475274
It's not your fault, the fact is that the only way to achieve the split OP wants is by sequential hermaphroditism, adding new chromosomes won't change the facts. You can't get this split even if they were the same species (which OP didn't seem to want).
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>>43475120
i want to do the math for this population wise
i came up with this
16.666% of each type except for XmX which is 33.333%
XY-16.666
XmY- 16.666
XmXm- 16.666
XX- 16.666
XmX-16.666
XXm- 16.6666

correct me if i'm wrong.
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>>43475338
>>43475042
>>43474598
>>43473884
>>43473401
>>43473426
>>43475386


Me OP. Me already know how it works from a biological stand point:>>43473360.
Not everything is in DNA you know?

Me want to know what happens when society is 75% women. You keep answering the question me already know the answer rather than answering the actual question!

OP is tired.
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>>43475386
Yep, predicted genders are 16.66% male. 16.66% female and 66.66% monstergirl for a XmX type. For XmY type you'd have 0% female, 16.66% male and 83.33% monster girl. XmXm would be 100% monstergirl.
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>>43475454
OP is faggot. that doesn't understand that second generation down the line there is no chances of a male offspring from this type of union.
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>>43475535
And how is that genius?
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>>43475386
the inherent problem with this system is that it is possible for a continuing dwindling of the male population since XmY and XmXm would result in only females, the males would have to have sex on such an epic level with the ones capable of siring males just to keep the male population up. unless this community has a genetic test to determine who is who the male population has the potential to go extinct, the only way to ensure male children with the maximum chance of producing a male offspring would be to sex the XX females.
good thing they are visibly able to determine the XX as vanilla females
they would quickly become the the dominate female gender through sexual selection.
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>>43475535
Should actually mention that it's impossible that I was wrong, you're reworking does allow this. But still doesn't allow or explain for the 2:1:1 split. Just say sequential hermaphrodites. It's that easy.
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>>43475454
you do realize the population percentages given by you are literally impossible from a genetic and statistics perspective alone. so people are literally trying to throw you some bones for your female dominate landscape but with actual realistic numbers like you want.
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>>43475565
Misread due to using X chromosome for both female and monster. Still every monster Ova fertilized by Y would be invalid, meaning you'll never get a 2:1:1 split, as there would be a lot of inviable X(monster)Y pairings. It's not even a matter of making more X(monster) ova as there is still no way that there would end up with 50% of offspring being monstergirls.
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>>43475602
*possible
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>>43475684
Not even mentioning how the fuck two types of sex cells can originate from the parent.
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>>43475673

You don't seem to be able to read or you are just stubborn?

I used two simple assumption, and problem solved.

New Mechanism

So a way to get around this was to assume:
-Sex is determined by female rather than male.
>XX=Boy
>XY=Girl
-Monstergirl produce two type of Ovum: Monster and Human
>Human XX = Human Boy
>Human XY = Human Girl
>Monster XX= Death Ovum
>Monster XY= Monster Girl

The end result is 50% of ovum produce monster girl the other 50% produce Human Boy or Girl.

2:1:1 ratio.


>>43475684

Monster XX Ova already dead. XX monster Ova are all eliminated by the time a monstergirl have her first period. There are no XX monster Ova in her Ovaries.

Therefore: Half of Ova are Monster, Half Ova are human.

The result is a 2:1:1 ratio

How is that difficult to grasp?
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>>43475794
Ova have one chromosome dude. X. Or in your world X or X(monster). Whenever a X chromosome is fused with the X(monster) in your world the ova is lost and the pregnancy fails. Hence why (if the two ova are in equal quantities) there won't be a 2:1:1 split. You could double the number of monster ova, but that still makes no sense except to justify your math.
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>>43475868
One sex chromosome that is.
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>>43475868
Let me repeat again

Monster X Ova are not even released; they are eliminated like polar bodies.

Monstergirl release during her perio.

50% are Monster Y ovum
25% are Human X ovum
25% are Human Y ovum
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>>43475794
that doesnt result in the numbers you want
you are saying you have a third sex and are applying punnet square methodology to it
punnet squares and the math that revolves around only works on duel systems you can cut this into two duel systems and find the average between them but it wouldn't result in a 2:1:1 ratio and it wouldn't be accurate.

just to drive the point home, you made a 3D model of sex and tried to give us a 2D models dimensions.
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>>43476000
What did I say. It's not the gene. It's in the cytoplasm. Monster and human have identical DNA.
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>>43475794
Damn it having changed the sex determinate gender makes this hard to solve. Firstly for this to work 4 times as many monster ova have to be made. Half will be inviable, causing a massively painful and costly first period. Secondly there is no reason, due to Y(monsters) compatibility with X to produce a fertile offspring means it has bonding sites that'd allow X(monster) X(human) bonding. There is no way to avoid that.. Why even produce the human ova, not even mentioning how the fuck does an organism produce two species sex cells. Just use >>43475386 model.
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>>43475946
Nigga it's hard when you invert the basics. Read the knew >>43476097 response.
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>>43476097
*Y(monster) and Y(human). Like I said, inverted controls and all.
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>>43476054
That's not an answer.
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>>43476097
2 times as many eggs but yeah.
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>>43476054
>>43476054
then the way you described is still a 3d model and IT STILL does not add to the numbers you want. A third sex does not mean its a separate species it means you are trying to get the average between if a male had sex with a brunette and then had sex with a blonde what are the offsprings hair color you have literally two different couplings.
the only offspring a monstergirl is capable of having is a monster girl by your model therfore the ratio of coupling with a monster girl is just 1
the coupling with a human girl is the standard 1:1
your ratio is some kind of twisted rip of genetics made by somebody that didnt put much effort into it. because you can't make a ratio based on MULTIPLE acts of reproduction with two DIFFERENT women.
i have no clue why you thought this math was good but it is not.
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>>43476417
Or the explanation that 50% of ova is lost as soon as puberty is reached. Can you imagine how horrible that'd be for the poor girls.
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>>43476460
yes that would be horrible, but the loss of the ova and their lack of viability is what causes the coupling with a monster girl to be just 1,since it can't produce human females, because if it's cytoplasmic inheritance you are limited only to what the mothers state of being is, so all children will be monster children and all children will be female. it has a 100% chance of making a monster girl.
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>>43475794
>>43476558
So are you going with the monster ovum model or the modified cytoplasm model? Which is it?
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>>43476558
I know, where the fuck is the human ova coming from?
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>>43476592
Neither, they both wouldn't work.
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>>43475794
Assuming 50 hOvums are produced and 50 mOvums are produced, the end result is 25 dead, 25 monster, 25 female, and 25 male.

to achieve 2:1:1, that would mean 50 hOvums and 100 mOvums, leading to 50 dead, 50 monster, 25 female, 25 male.

Even if you had hormone balances set to produce Ovums at that ratio, a third of all your Ovums dying is not very efficient. That's a huge loss of nutrients.
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>>43476592
it's both the way its written
and this results in a ratio that is purely 100% monster girl offspring
you dont get a 2:1:1 ratio
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>>43476668
the way its state no males are viable with monster girls period. heh heh heh.
and monster girls are incapable of producing normal human females
all you get is monster girls
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>>43476668
And as I've mentioned in >>43476460 that would be terrible stress for a young girl. Probably even kill a few of them. Not even touching why you'd increase the production of one ova type and not the other.
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>>43476596
it's coming from a human female which is the primary reason his ratio is fucked
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>>43476728
No.

Here is how it works >>43473360
>>
OP why not just use one of the systems already given, the numbers don't fucking matter.

or you can avoid genetics all together
big ass war and 3/4 the male population is dead, half the female population is dead, and monster girls rule the land, bam you have a 2:1:1 ratio
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>>43476841
What most anons here fails to realize is that I ALREADY KNOW how the biology behind it works.

I'm interested in the social aspect, yet the stupid anons keep telling me about the biology.

Also:
>big ass war and 3/4 the male population is dead

That's not part of the story.
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>>43476772
you dont even understand what you are writing.
the only offspring a monster girl can make through this method of inheritance is a monster girl. therefore the ONLY human ovum are in human girls since monster girls can't produce it because they have monster girl cytoplasm in ALL their ovums. therefore the ration of monstergirls produced from sex with a monstergirl is 1. 1 brand new baby monstergirl, it is the only thing it can produce.
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>>43476953
>Monstergirl produce two type of Ovum: Monster AND Human
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>>43476948
you clearly dont because you have no clue how cytoplasmic inheritance works.
extranuclear uniparental inheritance is literally what you tried to describe and failed at understanding it. it's how mitochondria is inherited, all the mitochondria in your body is your mothers, your dad provided none of it and it determined the exact amount of mitochondria you have in each of your cells.
if monster girl trait is a cytoplasmic trait that means all offspring from a monster girl is going to be a monster girl, since you made all male potentials dead.
the literal only place for human cytoplasm is human females
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>>43476977
it cant though if its cytoplasmic inheritance
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>>43477100
The two type of ovum have difference in the cytoplasm that activate different gene during embryonic development.

Again, I'm not interested in biology. I want to know the social aspect.
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>>43476948
>>43476977
As I've said here >>43476668, the nutritional inefficiencies are astronomical for something specifically created by a god, and more importantly as stated by >>43476724, having a noticeable percentage of the population die on their first period, after you already spend several years worth of food and care on them, does not say good things about their long term survival.

And if you handwave that by the god making sure that doesn't happen, why didn't he just make them 1:1:1 or a more balanced ratio anyway?


and as I've said here >>43457140 and >>43457761, you haven't really given much of your own input on how you think the societal impacts would or should play out, what you've taken from references given to you, and which parts you want to discuss.

And if you have, well you've already been criticized by how difficult it is to find your posts in this mess. You could just take a name.
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>>43477189
Well fuck you this is /tg/ that's not how it works.
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>>43457747
The onus of producing a male child is dependent on the male. A woman always contributes a X, while the sperm of a man is either X or Y. A smaller penis allows the slower but tougher X sperm to win, while the faster but weaker Y sperm will win if the man has a bigger dick. Causing a woman to orgasm also increases the chance of a male sperm, aka a Y chromosome carrying sperm, to inseminate the female's egg.

A woman has little bearing on the gender of her child.

Also that exact thought of favoring sons over daughter is one of China's biggest fuck ups. GG no re.
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>>43477264
what?!?!?
what did i just read
>> A smaller penis allows the slower but tougher X sperm to win, while the faster but weaker Y sperm will win if the man has a bigger dick
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>>43477313
Excuses excuses.
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>>43477192
If I knew how the social impact will play out, then why would I even make this post?

I ask only when I don't know.
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>>43477350
and you've been given references. What from those references have you taken. Don't be afraid if you're wrong, there will be others to point out how and why, as well as others who can suggest things that would better fit your setting. This is partly to understand what themes you're going for, partly for you to show sincerity and partly to show that you can do SOME of the research.

They may not do it politely, but if you're still here, I think that's something you've come to accept.
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>>43477313
Tough and weak as in 'lasts longer'. Although I will admit that it generalizes.
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>>43477393

I just want to know what would happen if the long term gender ratio of women vs men 3:1.

I already have the biology aspect figured out, so the systems the anons came out is of zero interest to me.

There were some interesting comments though:
>>43457304
>>43470841
>>43464668
>>43464731

But the thread did not go in that direction. It's just 4chan I guess.
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>>43477264
Did you reply to the wrong post? Who said anything about the woman being the determinate of the child's sex?

And women can influence the over gender ratio. Sperm are the key factor in meiosis, but women still have to carry that embryo to term. It's entirely possible for the uterine environment to favor one gender over the other. For example, in cases of maternal malnutrition, a male fetus is more likely to miscarriage than a female one.
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>>43477551
Ask again in a day or two
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>>43477551
you have made no attempts to steer it in that direction. In fact you did the opposite, by engaging the biology anons without putting specific prompts for the societal aspect.

You said they were interesting, and yet made no comments about what you WOULD use, assuming you actually asked questions on elaborating them.

and again, you were given references but I don't see any evidence that you put in some of your own effort. You just keep going back to the initial prompt, word for word, when plenty people can see the Opening Post just fine.
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>>43477508
that is not even the reason why I went
Wuuuuuuut when i read that.
dick size does not influence the offspring probabilities. the x sperm is only 1% bigger on average than the y sperm in head size and that is still in the standard deviation of y sperm so that is essentially saying on average they are the exact same size where y sperm can be bigger than x sperm. it is a statistical anomaly. other than that they are the exact same. there is no logic for dick length to determine gender of a child.
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>>43477551
75% of the world is women
male rape is predominate, male gang rape is also. men hid in abondened wagons, caves, wells, to avoid women in fear of being put to death by snu-snu, those that are captured are put in public use breeding walls where they are strapped into the glory hole bondage style for women to abuse. there is a myth of a magical city ruled only by men that kill all female visitors or kidnap them have them bear sons before killing them this land is called Alaska.
also your biology sucks like retard bad you might as well just say magic
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