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My level 17 wizard owns a black hole. She (kinda) saw it one

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My level 17 wizard owns a black hole. She (kinda) saw it one day while looking around, almost fell into it, and planted a big magic flag outside of it, claiming it as hers. I would like your input on what to do with it, /tg/.

>is there any reason not to chuck insignificant problems/general annoyances into it?
>are there any obvious drawbacks to transforming it into a loli for camouflage/easy transport?
>what should I name her?
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>>33884947
You mean a sphere of annihilation?

Or an actual black hole?
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>>33884947
>is there any reason not to chuck insignificant problems/general annoyances into it?
No
>are there any obvious drawbacks to transforming it into a loli for camouflage/easy transport?
No
>what should I name her?
Holly
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>>33884947
I can see your magical realm OP. And i like it
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>>33884947
>Giant world destroying astrological phenomenon
>Transmute into a small, sentient creature and carry around civilized worlds

WIZARDS MAANG.
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>>33884947
Is your level 17 wizard also a loli?
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Wait.

If the black hole is a loli, how are you going to stuff her with your problems?
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How would Fabricate interact with a black hole anyway?
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>>33884960
Actual black hole. The GM has an astrophysics boner so intense, it sounds like Neil deGrasse Tyson when it rubs against his pants.
>>33885000
No.
>>33885001
Magic seals and command words.
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>>33885046
>No.
You should rectify this so you can have cute tea parties with your pet singularity.
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>>33885064
>implying a little girl dutifully serving tea for her elderly father figure while he showers her with love isn't cute
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>>33885046
>Actual black hole. The GM has an astrophysics boner so intense, it sounds like Neil deGrasse Tyson when it rubs against his pants.
Don't do it.

Seriously, don't.

Because if your QM has such a boner, expect the little girl to keep the gravity pull and mass of the black hole. You'll be getting yourself into some serious shit right there, once your loli breaks down the spacetime continuum and unleashes quantum beasts simply by existing.
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>>33884947
>>are there any obvious drawbacks to transforming it into a loli for camouflage/easy transport?
...there is nothing more harmless than a cosmic worlds-destroying phenomenon that is capable of having its feelings hurt and lacking the mental capacity to calculate consequences.

Ayup.
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>>33885046
If he had an astrophysics boner, he'd know that this black hole, if visible to the naked eye, has the mass of several Earths. Shit GM, would not game with
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>>33885141
That is assuming that the transformation grants the black hole loli (black holi?) sentience.

If not, you're stuck with something that just sits there and is heavy.
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>>33884947
How close are you being to real physics because while i'm no expert i beleive that should trigger some sort of galaxy sized death beam due to how the area around a black hole functions. really more like explosion of death beams but i dont want to be mean.
Basically the area just before the event horizon is a halo of energy and atoms being broken by the sheer mass/gravity of it all. Dark holes are surprisingly bright. Every once in a while something escapes and it's essentially a galaxy sized death laser.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/scientists-find-black-hole-death-ray-article-1.273530
Your wizard just released that in all directions.
Wizards have no sense of right and wrong
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>>33884947
>She (kinda)
Plz go
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>>33885224
What. It's hard to see black holes.
>>33885137
I hope to carefully quash that eventuality with my magical antiphysics boner.
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>>33885224
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>>33885224
>>33885356
Oh. No no no, my wizard is all female.
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>>33884947
Name her R?t, drawbacks are that she'll likely develop mental disorders and other things from forcing a phenomena into mortal form, and having no-one around that's like her.

The first problem is a no, unless it's a gravity negator/force absorber.
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>>33885319
It's actually extremely easy to see them. All of the stuff just outside the event horizon is smashed together and lets off enormous amounts of light. (The outside of) Black holes are extremely bright.
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>>33885439
>this thing that traps light
>lets off light

I don't follow.
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>>33885449
It only traps light the crosses the event horizon.
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>>33885449
The event horizon is the point of no return. Just OUTSIDE of that is where light can still escape.

Inside traps light. Just outside is massive amount of light from everything including atoms being smashed into oblivion.
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>>33884970
THIS name her holly, set up the appropriate magical barriers to keep her from destroying every thing, give her sentence, have tea with her and teach her how to be an adventurer like her daddy. trust me on magical matters I'm a shirtless barbarian with glorious golden lochs. also if its pathfinder teach her about sacred geometry because why the fuck not.
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>>33885449
The black hole itself doesn't let off light. However, most of the stuff it devours does. And when a black hole starts devouring something, that thing is broken apart and sucked into the black hole.

Imagine a giant sink, and replace all the water with gas and matter - you know how water moves faster the closer it is to the sink? Same thing happens here. Only this time, the matter that the black hole absorbs accelerates to such degrees that it begins emitting light, heat and radio waves.

So, the black hole itself doesn't emit light, but the stuff it devours emits immense quantities of it in its death throes.
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>>33885458
>>33885457
Still, it can't be that bright compared to other celestial bodies. Right?
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>>33885567
Depends on its size. The supermassive ones are the first thing you spot when looking for other galaxies, they're that bright.
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Spaghettification is still my favourite word in physics. I don't actually have anything to add to the conversation, but I felt like chipping in.
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>>33885614
Mine too.

It's right up there with "cuntisfaction".
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>>33885567
They emit galaxy sized death lasers. How bright do you think they get?
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>>33885690
They don't do that constantly, though.

>the loli will be able to shoot death rays as well as swallow things

Best familiar.
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>>33885567
The big ones are the brightest stellar objects since the Big Bang itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasar
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>>33885001
>Loli vore

>>33885105
>Implying the wizard won't anyway because wizard
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>>33885188
>Vore loli golem

>>33885224
And now I just noticed that the wizard is a she, do >>33885064

>>33886001
Did not mean to hit post
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>>33886001
I think the implication was the other kind of stuffing. The more normal lewd.
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>>33886041
She's a walking black hole in the shape of a loli, you could stuff your problems down any orifice and it'd have the same effect
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>>33886066
Lewd.
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>>33884947
>>is there any reason not to chuck insignificant problems/general annoyances into it?
Besides collateral damage, no.
>>are there any obvious drawbacks to transforming it into a loli for camouflage/easy transport?
Not enchanting it so you have a black hole golem loli daughteru.
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>>33885590
The supermassive ones are grinding entire stars against their horizons, though.
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>>33886492

*Animated black hole golem loli daughteru.
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>>33886563
Golem implies animation already, I think.
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>>33886578
>>33886563

**Awakened black hole golem loli daughteru

CUURSE YOU, BRAIN/FINGER DISCONNECT!!
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>>33884947

Name her Granzon and give long and sometimes inaccurate physics speeches whenever she attacks anything.
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>>33884947
>black hole transformed into a loli
>ends up so dense that the fighter could use her as a hammer with no real damage to her
>can eat literally anything
>secret weapon as fuck

WIZARDS
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>unicron: the early years
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>>33886859
>shota brother primus
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>>33886855
>letting the fighter use the black hole loli to beat off enemies

How about no.
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Do you have definitive proof it's not a well of many worlds pretending to be a black hole? Also, make sure it's not an Umbral Blot.

My epic level party pissed one off once.

ONCE.
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>>33887155
i guess she can beat off enemies on her own
and most of the party
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>>33887155
>Grapple fighter shoves enemies into the loli

Better idea
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How did she just "Almost fall into" a black hole. If your GM really has an astrophysics backround, he'd know that a black hole big enough to fall into can't just "Lay around." If it's big enough to not evaporate from hawking radiation, it would fall into the center of the earth and come to a rest at the core. (I'm not sure if it would really eat the whole planet, some people say it would, but I'm skeptical.)

As for the galaxy sized death lasers, That only happens when it's eating stars. A small black hole would just look like a black spot so rounded by some distortion as light bends around it.
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>>33888705
>I'm not sure if it would really eat the whole planet, some people say it would, but I'm skeptical.

It really depends on whether or not eating the planet would increase its gravity enough to outpace the finite amount of mass in its general vicinity.
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>>33888705
The GM could just like the idea of a black hole and not know too much about them/care too much to keep it accurate
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I wanted to calculate all the radius of a black hole with the mass of a little girl (Lets say 80 kilos)

Unfortunately all the online calculators seem to want the input in solar masses rather than some proper metric measurement.
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>>33891282
That's because no sane person using it for its intended purpose would put in a mass of a stellar object in kg.
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The only big problem I can see is this:

If you encounter any anti magic stuff IE: beholders center eye

That would cancel out the enchants that are holding the black hole in a loli form. so then the black hole goes back to normal and ends the world
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>>33891282
Smaller black holes collapse unto themselves.

To truly operate as a black hole, you need at least 1800 solar masses, I think.
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>>33888705
Magic
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>>33891282
The radius would probably be calculated at the atomic level.
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>>33891282
Not that it really matters (because, you know, order of magnitude and such...) but 80 kg is more "full-grown man" than "little girl".
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>>33894966
Honestly if it's big enough for a wizard to "almost fall in" then it's probably not a realistic black hole
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>>33884947
Is this just another fetish thing?
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>>33897591
>Is this just another fetish thing?
A female wizard uses a black hole to create an all devouring golem to be her cute little daughter/pet/hey kid do you want to /ll/?/ whatever that she also plans to feed people/things/problems too

Nothing fetishy about an all devouring loli vore golem, nothing at all
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>>33897571
Do teleportation spells work within the event horizon of a black hole?
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>>33899376
Probably, but only if attached to a Contingency, as there'd be no time to cast one normally before you're torn apart at an atomic level.
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>>33885145
>has the mass of several Earths
Somehow I don't think that's right.
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>>33903941
A black hole the with the mass of Earth would have a radius of less than 9 millimeters. They are that dense.
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>>33904417
So a fairly tiny loli.
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>>33885145
That's not how physics works. We found black holes because they ARE visible, in the sense that they a massive dark spot where our instruments should be letting us see things.

Also, mass WHAT?
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>>33885145
The bigger issue is how and why the black hole isn't devouring the earth with the power of it's hypergravity from which not even light can escape.

Because that's why black holes are black, their gravity is so strong it even draws in light.
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>>33905038
A black hole would appear as a dead pixel in our vision, that's basically what he's trying to say, and that if it was big enough to be properly visible to a human, would have the weight of multiple earths
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This is a proper black hole. The kind that results from stars overextending their ability to fuse elements, going supernova, and then collapsing.

I almost fell into it because it was in the middle of nowhere. Out in space, not just laying around. We came across a magical device that's kinda like a remote controlled interplanar wormhole/telescope. I like to think of it as a magic tv. It's pretty much just a big oval of gold with a matching glove. The glove has buttons. One for activating it, one for deactivating it, and one for randomly switching planes (which can only be pressed once a day). Waving your fingers makes the view change, flying around whatever you're looking at, and you can still control it even if it's "off". Stuff can pass through it, an early problem we found, and the otherside looks just the same (albeit able to fly around, whereas our side just hovers). It's a rather wonky macguffin, I think.

Anyway, I layered a few protections over it, giving it a bit of a screen, so that things would have a bit of difficulty getting through. I also gave it some nifty things that would trigger if shit went south, a few extra of which were tied to my wizard's personal well-being because fuck the others. One of which was a time-rewinding candle that burned out because of this encounter. I was zooming around some dark space, full of distant lights, and then wham. Black hole.

That's why I want to do something with it. Mostly because it used up my candle.
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>>33907630

I have just one thing to say. Make sure you have Reverse Gravity in your spellbook (you really should have it already) and get creative. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to get more than you candle's worth. If nothing else, making a setup that allows it to launch shit with the force of it's gravity pointed outward will make for one hell of a gun.
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>>33909141
Also galaxy-sized death lasers.
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>>33897571
Magic, anon. Nothing is absolute.
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>>33904417

Is that the radius of the black hole itself or the event horizon? You would probably see an event horizon as a black sphere, given that no visible light's escaping.
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>>33909926
The actual black hole is the singularity, right? And they're tiny. Really tiny.
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>>33891282

That's because a black hole that's too small wouldn't have enough gravity to hold itself together. For that matter, a black hole with one solar mass wouldn't be able to hold itself together very well.

The problem with your online calculators is that they refuse to recognize the existence of magic to magically hold the black holes together.
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>>33910068
Black holes aren't held together by magic.

They're held together by gravity.
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>>33910083

Yes, and when there's not enough gravity to hold the black holes together, you need magic to do the job.
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>>33910091
But... there's enough gravity. They're holding together as we speak.
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>>33910115
He's talking about very small black holes in reference to the anon who wanted an online calculator to give him the radius of a black hole with a mass of 80 kg.
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>>33910178
Oh. Well then.
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>>33884947
I could totally see animu with black hole disguised as loli. I mean there's all sorts of things disguised as loli these days.
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>>33901380
How fast does magic happen? Can it be measured in picoseconds? Does contingency have anticipatory qualities? If contingency anticipated a trigger event, would it trigger before the event happened? I guess what I'm asking is if the contingency greaterest teleport spell would be transporting a person, or a stretched out mass of once-humanoid particles.?
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>>33885722
ALL OF MY YES. Make the lol black hole into your familiar, you're high enough level for it. Then it'll have the ability to learn and grow as you do. Plus it'll mourn you for all eternity after you die.
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I am in full support of all aspects of this plan. Her eyes ought to look like black holes too, with a coruscating ring of light around the edges, a pure black iris and a burning-bright point for the pupil.
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>Eternally hungry
>Constantly snacking on both food and non-food items
>Regularly "eating" unimportant objects, from small to large, when she thinks no one's looking
>Surrounded by minor physical and electromagnetic disturbances
>Can control gravity and gravitation almost like telekinesis
>Astronomically heavy despite appearing small and cute
>Ability to break down or disappear most obstacles and nuisances for her mistress in her preferred little-girl
>Able to devour most anything else when instructed to collapse into her natural state as an awakened singularity familiar
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>>33914978
With all that dangerous power, what kind of personality would she develop?
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>>33912490
Psychotic death robots. Aliens. Midgets.

Psychotic midgets.
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>>33915080

Cheerfully oblivious. Like isolated animal populations with no natural predators, who don't have any reflexive fear or caution.

Rather than being astronomically heavy her weight should vary from "Insanely light" to "3 dudes in armor" because the spell keeping her natural gravity from interacting with the real world can't quite hit a realistic body weight all the time, the variation in weight is rounding error for the spell.
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>>33910068
Black hole-ness is not a function of mass but density. A black hole can be any mass as long as you compress that mass small enough.

The problem is smaller black holes will tend to evaporate from hawking radiation, but that's not what I'm asking about.
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>>33914978
This is the neckbeard quality check apartment speaking. We need more moe.
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>>33916159

I like the way you're thinking. Being the universe's ultimate destructor, Holli herself would essentially be indestructible, and as a result would appear to merrily disregard notions of personal safety and act as if she had nothing to fear in the whole world.

I also like your idea of her weight varying between feather-light and Volkswagen at random, or even based on her current need:

>Holli floats around her mistresses shoulders like some excitable aerial fish, asking repeatedly what she's doing and if she can help.

>Holli needing three grown men and a barrel of bricks as a counterbalance while playing in the seesaw.
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>>33916657

>Constantly snacking on both food and non-food items
>Regularly "eating" unimportant objects, from small to large, when she thinks no one's looking

Holli's idea of "snacking" is the consumption of everything from actual food and candies to keys, marbles, hunks if metal and anything that wont be missed and can fit in her mouth in general.

>Surrounded by minor physical and electromagnetic disturbances
>Can control gravity and gravitation almost like telekinesis

Sometimes, Holli is followed around or orbited by all the objects that she inadvertently attracts to herself. Other times, these objects stick to her person like the universe's worst case of static-cling.
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>>33915555
We haven't have mexicans disguised as lolis yet.
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>>33916943
no lolis disguised as Mexicans?
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>>33891282

http://xaonon.dyndns.org/hawking/

The Schwarzschild radius of such a black hole is 1 x 10^25 m, or one tenth of a yoctometer. This is a hundred times smaller than a neutrino, and ten orders of magnitude (ten billion times) smaller than a proton or neutron in the center of an atom.

For a short moment of 43 picoseconds - a ray of light travels 0.5 inches during that time - the "black" hole will shine over a hundred times brighter than the Sun, as it evaporates from the prime material plane in a violent explosion of gamma rays.

Such is the life of a black hole loli.
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>>33916208

The problem is that if a black hole is too small, instead of sucking stuff in, stuff will suck it apart.
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>>33917266
>0.004304478 Shakes
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>>33916657
How about this:

It was Mistress' birthday, and although she was still very new, Holli knew that humans were meant to receive gifts on their birthdays from those that cared about them. She knew that her Mistress was very fond of pretty rings and necklaces and things of that sort, and she also knew that there was a jewelry store nearby that was full of potential presents.

Although she was indeed a being of nearly unimaginable cosmic power Holli was still just a child, and found much to her dismay that the child's allowance her Mistress gave her each week was far from enough money needed to buy any of the gifts she saw, especially not the wondrous and sparkly diamonds that so caught her eye.

Thinking that there must be some present somewhere that she could afford, she orbited their home, gravitating from one store to the next, asking the shopkeeps hopefully if she had enough money to buy any of the fine things she saw for her Mistress. Alas, Holli was very new, and hadn't had time to save up much allowance at all, and by the time evening had come she had found to her great sadness that all she could afford was a single lump of coal, which she bought, not knowing what else to do.
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>>33918287

Knowing that the hour had grown late and that she would be expected home, she carried the lump of coal back with her, clenched in both hands and hugged close to her chest the entire way. Her Mistress wouldn't like the gift. Her Mistress was a fine lady who had many fine things, and surely had no use for the ugly black chunk she'd brought her. Each step closer to home only increased her sadness, and as her sadness increased she began to fret, and as Holli began to fret she hugged and clasped the lump of coal even tighter.

By the time she'd gotten home, the sun was down and the stars were out, and her Mistress was there waiting for her at the door, clearly worried her familiar had been away so long. Crying and snuffling, Holli approached her Mistress and apologized for worrying her, explaining between her sobs that she had tried to find a wondrous present but had only had enough money to buy her a lump of coal. Slowly, her mistress knelt before her, reassuring her that she was not upset, and that she was sure that she would love any gift she was given. However, she said, she wasn't sure that what she brought was even a lump of coal after all.

Her Mistress eased her hands open, and to Holli's complete and joyous amazement the lump of coal was gone! In its place was a diamond, bearing the worried indentations of her small, clenched hands, catching the starlight. This, her Mistress said, was a very fine gift indeed, and one that she would treasure for as long as there were still stars to shine upon it.
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>>33918314
It's beautiful.
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>>33916943
They're called Hondurans.
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>>33913536
The magic happens the instant the contingency is triggered, so what you end up with depends on what you set as your contingency.
"Teleport me upon my death/upon taking damage" would result in the "stretched out mass of once-humanoid particles" while a contingency along the lines of "Teleport me right as I'm about to cross the Event Horizon of a black hole" would have them coming out fine.
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>>33918314
So. She can be used to make diamonds, for money.

How many lumps of coal could she squeeze at a time? We need maximum efficiency.
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>>33918982

Cute and useful.
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>>33914978

>Eternally hungry

This could either be really cute, or really horrifying depending on just how much of a "problem solver" the OP intends this awakened black hole to be. Will she just have the comedic habit of snacking on and disappearing random items around her, or will she be some sort of miniature walking apocalypse at the beck and call of a wizard who doesn't know right from wrong?
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>>33922930
I repeat myself
>All devouring Vore Loli Golem
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>>33922995

>>She doesn't know right from wrong. All she knows is that she's all empty inside. And hungry. She's always so empty and hungry, all the time. She needs to eat and eat and keep eating, always and forever, to try and fill up that emptiness and ease her hunger. The Mistress knows. The Mistress is nice to her. The Mistress made her, and gives her things to eat. She likes the Mistress.
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>>33923378
And now the Mistress is developing an entire subschool of Enchantment targeting golems, just so Holli can feel full.
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>>33926069
>>33923378
>>33922995
This is shaping up to be a very sad tale indeed. The sort of story where the Mistress created Holli on a whim, unaware that shaping a black hole into a sentient being would curse her to feel unending hunger and emptiness. Unending hunger and emptiness that the Mistress is then driven by guilt to try and sate.

>>33918314
>>33918287
>>33916903
>>33916781
Or it could be the cute sort of story where the Mistress created Holli as a helper and daughter. A tale where this sentient black hole child is quirky and powerful and sweetly strange, where she can compress coal into diamonds and suffer from the gravitational version of "static-cling."

I'm not sure which version I like more.
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>>33922995
thatismyfetish.jpeg
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>>33916657

The wizard pushed her hair back up on her head from where it had fallen forward, nearly sucked in by the cosmically huge tidal forces that had moments ago been ripping at it. She flopped down on a stool by the wall of her summoning chamber and surveyed her work. Where moments ago there was a sphere of total darkness that bent the light uncomfortably and made her eyes water, there now sat something that looked suspiciously like a little girl. The girl uncurled into a kneeling position from her prior fetal cowering. Her eyes glided back and forth around the room, and she seemed to wash out the color in the surrounding space, drawing the colors out of it. The girl's eyes finally settled on the wizard.

"m-momma?"

The wizard almost fell out of her seat.
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>>33917266
Thanks!

Hmm, 100 times brighter than the sun, would creating micro black holes be an efficient bomb? Compared to releasing the same mass in antimater?
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>>33884947
I can't believe Jake didn't tell you that making it a loli was a stupid idea.

The fact that you SAY your GM has an astrophysics boner, yet you somehow planted a flag outside of it, proves that there's no real astrophysics logic here. That being said, make it into whatever you want.

Otherwise you would be an idiot to make a black hole into anything.

>loli containment field breaks
>the whole planet is fucking destroyed by the black hole

good one.
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>>33929969
Entropy tells us that the energy that comes out is less than the energy that goes in.
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>>33930067
Anon, magic.

Wizard > black hole.
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>>33929969
>Hmm, 100 times brighter than the sun, would creating micro black holes be an efficient bomb? Compared to releasing the same mass in antimater?
It's conversion of a chunk of mass into energy either way. Difference would be rather negligible in the face of sheer annihilation either way unleashes.
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>>33888524
Completely out of the question. Way too lewd.
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>While Holli says that her favorite food is spaghetti, you could replace the noodles and sauce with a plate of string in red paint and she would not only eat it just as happily, she might not be able to tell the difference.

>The longer Holli stays in one particular room or area, the stronger her inadvertent gravitation of objects in that room or area becomes. Eventually resulting in objects, furnishings and people being drawn toward her.

>Since her powers include the subconscious manipulation of weight and gravity, Holi can often be seen people watching from up high, sitting upside-down on ceilings, and floating around rather than walking.

>Although her powers ought to allow Holli to fly, she seems afraid to do so and prefers to hover close to the ground or perch on something solid.
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>>33933490
That's just a dim girl, not a black hole.
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>>33933650

It's hard to find pictures of characters that look like they have black hole powers.

Do you think that the things she eats are obliterated and gone forever, or is she more like a bag if holding where she can bring things back in demand? Or, do you think she has a twin sister in another universe that's always full and keeps burping random stuff up to aid her Mistresses and hassle her enemies?
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>>33934104
>that last bit
>sudden nostalgia

RIP Fred, you will be in the hearts of every aspiring young wizard ;_;7
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>>33934104

>Holli slowly and carefully feeding a letter into her mouthing like it was a mail slot in a door: "I'm sending a letter to my pen-pal!"
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>>33934569
>penpal
How does that work? How'd she get a response if a white hole is expelling things only?
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Reminder that white holes existing/being connected to black holes is pure speculation.
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>>33934609
The anti-gravity stuff that's supposed to exist/an reverse gravity spell.
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>>33934609

It could be a one-way sort of thing I guess, but you're right, that would really make them both wormhole familiars rather than black and white hole familiars.
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>>33909926
The actual black hole is a singularity. It has no volume. When people talk about the diameter of a black hole, they're ALWAYS talking about the event horizon, because talking about the mass itself as having dimensions is nonsensical
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>>33934682
Now that's just plain nonsense.

Everything with mass has volume. No matter how dense. And black holes have a lot of mass.
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>>33934663
White holes give your inner empiricist a rageboner, but not level 17 wizards?
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>>33934717
Yes.
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>>33934717
Well see, the premise of the thing is taking a serious physics object and applying magic to it in specific ways.

Having a white hole twin reduces the seriousness of the source material, thus reducing the contrast between that seriousness and being turned into a loli, thus reducing the enjoyment.
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I think we need more speculation as to how Holli might use her gravitational and electromagnetic powers in combat, magical assistant and playtime capacities.
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>>33934704
Actually, yeah, they do have zero volume, though it tends to help if you just think of it as "infinitely small" rather than zero volume (even though that's the same thing).

The way black holes work is that you get enough mass in a small enough space that the mass's own gravity compresses it into an even smaller space, increasing the gravity, further compressing it, in turn further increasing the gravity, etc. The compression continues infinitely (and the rate of compression increases with the lessening of volume) until the mass exists in a single, zero-volume point. That's why they're called singularities.

And if you think that's fucking weird, wait until you learn that the speed of light is tied to EVERY frame of reference independently, which makes shit like "relative simultaneity" a thing (two events that happen at the same time for one person will happen at different times for a person in a different frame of reference)
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>>33934838
>combat
Roundabout telekinetics of astronomical proportions.
Gamma ray burts.
Brawler with a body of approzimately fuckoff-level density.
>magical assistant
Trash can.
Centrifuge.
Experiment poker.
Welding mask.
>playtime
Hide n' seek.
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>>33884947
Magic wouldn't work on a black hole as the time it would take for the spell to reach the surface of the black hole is infinite due to the pull of gravity.

Black Holes are anti-everything.
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>>33934904
Please show me where physics says that a magic spell is subject to gravity.
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>>33884947
Jump into it, casterfag.
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>>33934879
So it's not actually zero, just always approaching zero.
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>>33934912
Projectile spells are subject to gravity.
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>>33934879
Actually anon, you're not quite right either.

That's how black holes start to form, but once the event horizon forms everything inside works on an entirely different set of rules, and technically aren't even really considered part of the universe. It's not that the mass doesn't have volume, it's that volume itself is meaningless inside of the event horizon. That's why Black Holes are usually considered as 2-D objects; the only part of them that really matters is the event horizon, which is just a spherical shell with no depth.
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>>33934912

That spells have durations suggest that magic is subject to time, which is itself subject to compression due to gravity.
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>>33934879
>>33934949
Fuck, and here I thought LOTR lore was trippy.

Fuckin' physics, man. Fiction has nothing on reality's magic system.
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>>33927455
>"m-momma?"
ruined
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>>33934935
According to what? And even if you were to accept that, it's not the magic itself that is subject to gravity. Projectile spells, aka evocation, draw ectoplasm from the astral plane to shape into whatever form the spell requires(in most d&d setting, which is what we're discussing) so it's not the magic itself, but the ectoplasm that gets affected by gravity. Besides, the spells we're talking about are enchantments & transformations, not evocations.

Spell resistance would probably be hella high though.
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>>33934967
Again, not all spells. It's not the magic that has a duration, it's the effects of the magic. This is intended to be viewed as the amount of power in the spell being drained away, hence why spells last longer at higher levels. It's the magic being used up warping reality, not a timer.
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>>33935075
>spell resistance
This is why you use Orbs.
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>>33934975
You know nothing yet, anon. YOU KNOW NOTHING!
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>>33934838

Combat Powers:
>Gravitational "Telekenetics"
>Damage Catcher
>Both Unstoppable Force and Immovable Object
>BBEG Eater

Magical Assistant Capabilities:
>Gravitational "Telekenetics"
>Matter Manipulation
>Hazardous Waste and Failed Experiment Disposal
>Indestructible Test Subject

Playtime Fun:
>Gravitational "Telekenetics"
>Gravity Reversal Permitting "Flight"

I might not be creative enough to think up fun ways for her to use these powers...
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>>33935139
We're talking about awakening a black hole, transforming it into a loli, and making it a familiar. Please tell me how an orb of (anything) is going to help? Combat spells have no application here, unless the awakened black hole is hostile.
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>>33935596
Not hostile, just hungry.
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>>33935630
Wouldn't even say hungry. Just always down to eat.
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>>33891282
wolfram alpha cranks it out just fine. Radius is 1.188x10^-25 m. Tiny.
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Are there any moderate sizes for black holes, or are they all quantum foam to ded star size?
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>>33935630
>>33935755

>Chubby All-Devouring Blackhole Loli Golem
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>>33935936
>chubby

All matter is compressed to an infinitely small point inside her. So, not much chub.
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>>33936043
Right. Any chubbiness in her appearance would have to have been a "decorative" thematic choice made by her Mistress when crafting her appearance in the first place.

>"She's going to want to eat everything anyway. I might as well make her look cuddly and adorable."
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>>33935936
>>33936292
>Loli shouldn't be chubby
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Sarah hunkered down beside her compatriots, long dress her mother always made her wear hiked up and tied off at her waist in an attempt to keep it clean, the baggy boys' pants she preferred to wear already dusty and dirty from a hard day's play. Elbowing her more roughly than was strictly necessary, Jakob pointed up and over the low stone wall surrounding the Lady Wizard's home, motioning with a finger to his lips that they ought to be quiet. While the other boy Samuel nodded quickly and worriedly in understanding, Sarah merely rolled her eyes and straightened up a bit, not a lot, but enough to peek over the top of the wall at the well kelt yard beyond.

Playing in the yard all alone was the girl, the thing their parents had warned them to stay far away from. The magical construct in the shape of a girl, said to possess phenomenal cosmic power, created by the Lady Wizard who, they always said, did not know right from wrong. This construct though, this girl, didn't seem dangerous to Sarah, and once again she felt vindicated in her belief that adults didn't really know anything anyway. All she was doing was playing there in the yard by herself, and the only indications that she was anything over than a normal girl were book that seemed stuck to the back of her dress, the small collection of bric-a-brac that slowly orbited her where she stood, and the fact that the ball she was playing with kept shooting back into her hands every time she threw it away.

Making an executive decision for her little group, Sarah linked arms with the two boys on either side and stood up, dragging both along with her.

"She looks okay to me."

She said.

"Let's introduce ourselves."
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>>33935911
Moderate size in what? Mass or event horizont radius?

Technically (with MAGIC) you can set either one of those at whatever you want. It won't necessarily be stable by physics (so more magic to keep it), and any mass that isn't huge will get microscopic radius.

Of course, at low mass, you won't get any actual funky gravity from the physics alone - it would only eat stuff you shove into it's event horizon (which I remind you, is a microscopic dot), but won't actually be strong enough to gravitically pull anything - just like a fatass in the shop isn't pulling you into orbit.

Lets go do some math.
How much mass do you think we would need to get a black hole with one foot radius to shape into a cute loli?
2x10^26 kilos. That's about 34 Earths.
And here you could in fact get fun stuff with letting the spell slip a bit of that gravity out, and allowing her to pull stuff and devour it.
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>>33937017

The synthesis of magic fluff and real world science in this thread makes me very happy.
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What would Holli "devouring" spaghetti/failed magical experiments/the BBEG actually look like anyway?
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>>33937096
Pointing our 34E loli at a 120 kg enemy at a 40 meters distance and letting out the full force of her gravity will affect a force of approximately 10^15 Newtons.

Be careful where you point her, even a momentary pulse of such force is capable of wrecking massive destruction. And while it does fall fast with distance, it still remains massive for a long time - at 10 km the force is 1.6x10^9 Newtons.
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>>33937462
>for a long time
Oh and of course "time" is a wrong word to use. It affects everything in it's direction instantly.
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>>33937598
This is incorrect. Fields propagate at the speed of light. Granted, for most practical purposes that aren't already using the space McGuffin, this'll probably not matter much but still.
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>>33937626
Well yeah, I meant on planet scale. Effectively instant there.
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>>33937430

>Loli opens mouth
>Everything not bolted down gets sucked into utter blackness
>???
>DeathProfit!
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>>33934922
If we are talking about the real number zero, those two are by definition identical.
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>>33937430
>Loli opens mouth
>Places as much as of her meal as she can fit in her tiny mouth
>Space and time begins twisting and stretching and irregardless of how impossible it is for her meal to fit in her tiny mouth, each gulp pulls more and more of it in, reality bending so it's almost too large for her making her strain with each gulp.
>After the last of her meal disappears down her tiny maw, she lets out a cute little burp and a small giggle before asking for more
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I would gladly put dick inside her to send it on a journey no dick has ever been on before. Ultimate purity of a singularity. And my dick soaring across the empty cosmos.
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>>33938091

Your dick has no business here sir, and you'd be crushed and annihilated besides.
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>>33938156
Acceptable losses.
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>>33938091
>Stick dick in Holli
>That can suck things in too
>Get sucked in dick first
>Have your atoms torn apart and crushed, just another tiny addition to her mass
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/tg/, this is the best thing I've read here in a long time. This must be archived for posterity.
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>>33938183
>just another tiny addition to her mass
Hmm...
How much would she have to "eat" to grow up?
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>>33938011

Every mealtime becomes a cute but bizarre lesson in physics.
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Send everything to the void
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>>33938196
Things get archived on Foolz automatically, but it looks like someone's already archived it on Sup/tg/ as well:

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Singularity+familiar
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>>33938011
I escaped from /d/ to get away from all the crazy sex that makes my dick hurt, and then some faggot voluntarily writes black hole loli vore on /tg/. Goddamit.
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>>33938204
Not sure, but your question brings up the worrying idea that Holli might one day consume enough additional mass that her singularity overwhelms the magic that shapes and animates her.
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>>33932310
Would a black hole of matter colliding with a black hole of antimatter explode, merge, or merge and then explode (unnoticeably)?
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>>33938351
>Imagine her adorably eating a plate of spaghetti wizard mom made for her
>Now imagine her acting the exact same way when wizard mom lets her loose on a bandit camp
Do you think she plays with her food?
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>>33893026
nah our sun is average mass ,it shoul be like 1,5 its mass or more to form a black hole. Or that is what they said to me in astrobiology o.o
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Would time dilation in Holli's presence be a thing?

>"Please play with me just a little longer? Your momma won't get mad! She won't even know! I promise!"
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>>33937462
So...what you're saying here is that if Holli turns off her containment field, she basically obliterates everything within a scale of tens (hundreds? thousands?) of kilometers by way of obscene acceleration?

I can't imagine anything suddenly being subjected to an acceleration on the order of hundreds of thousands of km/s^2 and coming out remotely intact.
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>>33938351
You should know by now that /tg/ is /d/-lite.
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>>33938204
Her loli form is set up by magic and magic alone. So, she can only grow up if parameters of that magic are edited or it fails to contain her mass.

For the latter you'd need to start feeding her star systems at least.
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>>33938415
Merge, then explode very noticeably.

When they annihilate, the masses creating event horizons will vanish. All that energy will become unbound.
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>>33938462
No. Time dilation would only show up if her gravity escapes containment, in which case you're dead.
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>>33938351
>>33938362
>Wizard Mom notices Holli is slightly bigger than she used to be
>After much investigation she realizes Holli grows when she eats
>As a safety precaution wizard mom checks to make sure the magic grows as quickly as Holli does
>Months latter
>Holli mentions that when she grows up she wants to be pretty like mommy
>Wizard mom wondering if she can grow up crunches the numbers for how much mass it will take
>...That's a lot
>Wizard mom tells her she's going to send her to a magical place made of candy so make sure to eat it all up
>Wizard mom sends her to the outer planes
>Weeks latter
>Holli doesn't even grow enough to be a teenager
>There are no more outer planes
>Still growing slightly
>Turns out that because she ate the afterlife, she's the new afterlife
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>>33938488
Yep.

> she basically obliterates everything within a scale of tens (hundreds? thousands?) of kilometers by way of obscene acceleration?
Her range is in astrological scale.
If you point her at the Moon? She will tear the moon apart with tides as she attracts it.

You'll need to be on a different planet to be safe.
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>>33938431

I don't know. I think it depends entirely on how Wizard Mom raises her up and what she programs Holli to feel about her eternal hunger and her ability to consume and annihilate anything and everything around her. If Wizard Mom is very good, she might instill in her the belief that she should NEVER eat sentient beings, and focus more on honing Holli's gravitic abilities instead. If Wizard Mom is mostly good but not opposed to more expedient problem solving, which seems most likely, she might tell Holli that eating people is bad, but that some evildoers don't deserve to be thought of as people any longer and are thus permissible to consume so log as they're not made to suffer unduly. If Wizard Mom is a pretty bad lady herself, she might actually cultivate a more forceful and gleeful hunger in Holli and teach her that matter is matter, and that she ought to have fun and really enjoy her meals when her Mistress lets her.
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>>33938665
>>Turns out that because she ate the afterlife, she's the new afterlife
So afterlives have Highlander rules? Fun.
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>>33938659
Part of this kid's deal is that she can manipulate her containment magic to manifest "powers." Maybe >>33938462 is just another trick or magical cockup of her creation.
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Hypothetically, In D&D terms, assuming they were durable enough to remain intact and had something to pull themselves out/push off on if needed, how strong do you think an individual would have to be to pull themselves out of Holli? Either as a "realistic" black hole, or, given OP's description of the black hole, low sci-fi fantasy interpretation of a black hole.
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>>33938911
>If Wizard Mom is a pretty bad lady herself, she might actually cultivate a more forceful and gleeful hunger in Holli and teach her that matter is matter, and that she ought to have fun and really enjoy her meals when her Mistress lets her.
And that will end with Holli deciding mommy looks tasty, followed quickly by the realization the ground looks tasty
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>>33938659
I'm guessing the surface of the containment field for the black hole's effects would normally be located just beyond her teeth. That way she can appear to be a completely normal girl and there would be no dangerous side effects of being close to her, but can still annihilate stuff that she bites even when her powers aren't fully unleashed.

Looking into her mouth, you'd only see her brilliant white teeth, beyond which lies darkness, blacker than anything imaginable or that exists in the mortal realm. No visible palate, not even a tongue unless she decided to stick it out of her mouth while making faces at you.

This also elegantly takes care of the neckbeards who want to go full magical realm on Holly. A goodnight kiss on the cheek: completely acceptable. A kiss on the mouth: beware, lest the atoms in your tongue be ripped apart.
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>>33938415
Everything within thousands of lightyears would be hit by such an intense gamma ray burst as to vaporise planets and blow stars out.

In fact, the energy produced would be on such an inconceivable level that I don't think physics has any rules that cover it.
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>>33939090
This story ends after a long, long while with the kid floating out in the middle of an emptied universe by herself forever, still hungry, very lonely and wondering worriedly if she might have done a bad thing.
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>>33939243

Not really. A matter black hole meeting and completely annihilating itself with an antimatter black hole would still generate energy in accodance with (E = m.c^2). However, considering the insane amounts of mass of both black holes, we'd get a boom that would make the Big Bang look like a small-timer...
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>>33939237

I like you. What do you suppose her general appearance would look like? I'm curious about but a bit baffled by what her eyes should be like, windows to the soul and all.
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>>33939339
Yeah, but that much energy in that little space would break some rules.
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>>33939339
That's impossible this involves less then al energy, matter and anti-matter in the universe.
The big bang is the largest explosion that can occur in a universe.
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>>33939039
Well in my opinion it doesn't fit.

The cause of time dilation is the immense gravity. If you let out the gravity to create time dilation, then you're letting out other consequences of the gravity.

If you're getting time dilation without gravity, then it's just magic making it.
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>>33939452
Fair enough.
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>>33939069
I'm not going to try mathing that, I'll just give you the neutronium golem for reference.

(I am actually surprised it wasn't posted already, considering that it's nearly the same tier of physics fuckery)
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>>33939237
>This also elegantly takes care of the neckbeards who want to go full magical realm on Holly. A goodnight kiss on the cheek: completely acceptable. A kiss on the mouth: beware, lest the atoms in your tongue be ripped apart.
It will be just a tiny wound on the tip, though. Not worse than accidentally biting it. The strength connecting your body together is not big enough to pull you in.
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>>33939382
Black holes already do that. Physics does not have rules to cover what's beyond the event horizon.

That's what "singularity" actually MEANS. That we don't have rules for it.
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>>33939543
>The strength connecting your body together is not big enough to pull you in.
See >>33938011
You give her tongue space and time starts warping so you fit
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>>33939589
No it doesn't. All effects are localised behind the barrier. By it's basic nature it's permeable one-way.
So whatever is pushed past it, gets the full effect. The effects are so fast they're going to affect the item atom by atom, completely disintegrating it in tiny bits.
Conventional physics of tension isn't even past enough to catch up.
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>>33938665
>>33938961
My question is, what happens when Holli eats gods? Does she gain divinity levels if she consumes them?
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>>33939295
Nah, eventually she'd slam into another black hole and there'd be a new big bang.
>Holli becomes Ao
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>>33916781
>Holli needing three grown men and a barrel of bricks as a counterbalance while playing in the seesaw.

This is why the local children aren't allowed to play with Holli anymore. Not after she lost her footing and her extreme mass falling to Earth turned the seesaw into a catapult. Yes, she caught the boy in an anti-gravitational field before he hit the ground and yes he loved it, but his parents had some stern words indeed for Holli's Wizard Mom.
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>>33939360
It was covered up higher. Her irises will be absolute black, the whites of her eyes will glow to represent the energy released on her event horizon, and there'd be a tiny spark at the center of her pupils, to represent her sentience.
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>>33939770
Yes and yes
She uses her divine powers to make her snack
Magical realm answer: She makes everything happy to be eaten, welcome to vore world

>>33939815
I don't think blackholes explode when they hit each other, I think they merge

>The magic keeps her from evaporating
>Eventually Holli gains enough mass to counter act universal expansion
>The whole universe is sucked into her
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>>33939896
One of the theories as to how the big bang happened is that a galaxy sized black hole slammed into a larger sized black hole at just the right time (sizes obviously used as examples). According to this theory, there's a almost infinite number of universe sized black holes out there waiting to slam into each other and create a new universe.
Don't ask me for the source, I read about it back in 2006
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>>33939360

I would think that her dresses or robes or what have you being fairly nice, seeing as how she's the "daughter" of a wizard. I also like to imagine that they're dark blue or black and have been embroidered with stars and constellations.
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>>33940030
I would like to know where this theory came from
I'm pretty sure it's been recorded that when black holes run into each other the smaller gets eaten
Don't ask me to cite my source though
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>>33940144
It really sounds like pure speculation based on fear of oblivion.

What if there is an infinite number of immensely huge black holes out there, just waiting to explode and continue the existence of the universe? So don't worry guys, you don't need that creepy cat thing to counteract entropy, there is infinite amount of big bangs that we will be able to move into!
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>>33940144
I'm not clear on if you're mocking me, or honestly can't remember. I'm just going to assume you can't remember, since this thread has been civil.
>>33940272
I think it was an attempt to explain what set off the big bang. Because saying it just happened is sorta sketchy.

But honestly I don't know if that theory is still in the running, I quit college and joined the army that year, and had different shit to focus on.
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>>33939896

I've been wondering this whole thread if Holli remembers what she's eaten and if the people and creatures she's devoured are somehow still accessible to her.

Does she just see it all as food to be consumed and mass to add to her singularity, or does she remember every meal she's eaten and consider the people and creatures that have become a part of her special in some way.
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>>33940545
>I think it was an attempt to explain what set off the big bang. Because saying it just happened is sorta sketchy.
"There was a suuuper huge black hole and then another black hole slammed into it and instead of merging they exploded" is pretty sketchy too, to be honest.
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>>33940617
Yea it is, but it's better than "big sky daddy did it"

As far as I know, we still have no idea what happened before Plankt Time, so every theory is gonna be pretty sketchy.
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>>33939452
Considering the adorability factor of 'lets play all day long, and still be back in home for lunch' is right up there with 'three men and a barrel of bricks', I say we have to allow it.

And it means mom can study eldritch tombs for eons before Holli whines that she's getting bored. Well, ok, hours.
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>>33940593
>Does she just see it all as food to be consumed and mass to add to her singularity,
This is most likely

>or does she remember every meal she's eaten and consider the people and creatures that have become a part of her special in some way.
This could be both cute and/or horrifying

>if the people and creatures she's devoured are somehow still accessible to her.
This has implications
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>>33940593
>Holli remembers what she's eaten and if the people and creatures she's devoured are somehow still accessible to her.
>Does she just see it all as food to be consumed and mass to add to her singularity, or does she remember every meal she's eaten and consider the people and creatures that have become a part of her special in some way.

So, loli alucard?
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>>33940593
>>33940790
>>33940812
We already have Damacy Dopplegangers, we don't need to make Holli into one. Link: suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/9010467/
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>>33940892

It might not necessarily be true, and she might not actually be able to communicate or interact with those she's eaten but I could imagine this being something a good-leaning Wizard Mom telling Holli to make her feel better about the few times she is forced to devour.
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>>33941064
This I can solidly get behind.
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>"Holli... Holli I'm alright... It's alright you saved..."

>"No..."

>"Holli listen... Listen to me... you did what you had to do to save Mistre-"

>"NO! NO NO NO!!!"

>"Holli..."

>I did a BAD thing!!!People are FRIENDS, not FOOD!!! I did a BAD thing! I did a BAD BAD THING!!!"
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>>33891282
>little girl
>80kg
I don't think that's a very little girl, anon.

Also, a black hole with a mass of 80kg would evaporate instantly, pretty much doing the impersonation of 40kg of antimatter annihilating.
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>>33910068
>That's because a black hole that's too small wouldn't have enough gravity to hold itself together. For that matter, a black hole with one solar mass wouldn't be able to hold itself together very well.
Yes it would. Most black holes in the universe are supposed to have less than 2 solar masses.
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>>33941732
A 80kg black hole would evaporate from hawking radiation. We've been over this. We decided Holli has the mass of 34 earths, to create a black hole with an event horizon of 1 foot diameter. And the same magic that gives her form and limits the effects of her gravity also protect her from hawking radiation.
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>>33941818
I'm not completely sure about this, but I believe that the Sun weighs a bit more than 80kg.
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>>33941851
The sun also isn't a black hole and doesn't contain a singularity. Come on now, we're just doing armchair astrophysics.
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>>33941851

from memory, Sol is approximately 2 x 10^30 kg. So yeah, just a bit more.
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>>33941912
The fact remains that a solar mass black hole would be perfectly stable for a VERY long time.
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>>33941942
We were talking about a 80 kg black hole...and the theoretical minimum mass for a star to eventually become a black hole is 1.5 times Sol's. Our own star is likely gonna just nova and be done.
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>>33942039
>We were talking about a 80 kg black hole...
Not according to the post you linked to. Maybe you misclicked or misread something?
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We need some more cute ways for Holli's nature as an awakened black hole and her gravitic powers to manifest themselves...
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>>33942099
It would be way more interesting if her mass was significantly lower than Earth.

Then she could safely expose her gravity differential and the effects would likely be pretty freaky.

Things like 30 meters away or more nothing appreciable would be happening, not even earthquakes or disruptions to the planet in general. 10 meters away debris would start getting sucked into her. A few centimeters or milimeters away from her event horizon, the debris would heat up because of the intense pressure. And so on.
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>>33942168
>A few centimeters or milimeters away from her event horizon, the debris would heat up because of the intense pressure. And so on.
1 cm event horizon = 1.1 Earth's mass black hole.

1mm gets you 0.1 Earth, so gotcha there.

How much force it gets onto stuff, at 30 meters?
4.4x10^9 g. Oopsie daisy.
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>>33941564
Aww, poor girl.
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>>33938632
Aren't black holes a function of energy density rather than mass? I understand there can be a black hole made out of photons.
In that case they would just merge and you wouldn't notice any change. Once something is a black hole, it dosn't matter what it was made out of. At any rate, I don't think the matter and antimater could interact inside a black hole, because time stops at the event horizon.
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>>33942409
1cm FROM the event horizon, anon.

I am fully aware of what you're saying. A black hole with the effects I described would be measured in hundreds of megatons, I think. Not anywhere close to the mass of Earth. That's why the effects would be so interesting.

If you could somehow keep it afloat at the surface and not evaporate through Hawking radiation too much. But hey, magic.
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>>33938011
The burp is actually a burst of gamma rays.
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>>33942435
>Aren't black holes a function of energy density rather than mass?
Black hole is mass collapsing on itself until it reaches infinite density. Once it's all gone singularity, density undergoes divide by zero.

Physics goes undefined past the event horizon (again that's the definition of what a singularity IS). But presuming that some aspects still work results in the outcome of the thought experiment being FUN so that's what I went with here.
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>>33912490
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/62527566/#62527819

Cosmic phenomenon are pretty lewd little girls.
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>>33942435
Also sometimes "density" of a black hole is measured in relation to it's event horizon.

That gets fun results such as black holes with density on the magnitude of atmospheric air.
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>>33942596
Or densities lower than any other area in the universe.
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>>33942039
You're right, I misread.
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Re: Antimater black holes

>According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, once an event horizon has formed, the type of mass-energy that created it no longer matters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kugelblitz_(astrophysics)

You can make a black hole out of antimater, just like you can make a black hole out of normal matter, or even photons. But once you have an event horizon, it dosn't matter what it used to be, it's just a singularity now.

Combine a matter black hole and an antimater black hole, and you just get a bigger black hole. The laws of physics as we understand them do not exist inside an event horizon, and thus matter-antimatter reactions cannot happen.
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>>33942095
See>>33942747
It's been a very long day.
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>>33942752
It wouldn't matter if they did happen in there.

And there are slightly more mundane circumstances where it wouldn't matter if you used matter or antimatter for a certain application.

For example, an extreme output mass accelerator used as a weapon, a super railgun or something. If you got the slug moving fast enough, so much energy could be in the simple kinetic movement that it wouldn't make a real difference in how much damage the slug makes, regardless if it's made of matter or antimatter.
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>>33891879
As long as she's closer to the beholder than anything else she'll eat the beholder first and neutralize the antimagic field, causing her to go back to normal before she does any real damage.
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>>33942099

It's really, really not a cute and happy thing, but now I can't help but imagine Wizard Mom giving Holli a little bunny or other soft, cuddly pet as a companion, only to have her make a tragic Lenny Mistake and inadvertently squeeze it too hard.
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>>33936388
have you watched Mitsudomoe?
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>>33944146
That's almost exactly how I was picturing her, except she'd be smiling instead of in shock.
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>>33944146
>The last site many of Wizard mom's enemies see
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>>33884947
I am only fine with this plan if you make her a brown skinned tomboy.
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>>33944739
Also meido?
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>>33942833
Railguns like that would have to launch things stupid fast.
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>>33945147
Well all of the other discussed concepts like getting that much antimatter or compressing an amount of matter on the order of a few tons strongly enough to form a black hole are pretty stupid too.

All are pretty cool though. The black hole one is my favorite. Why would you need antimatter to annihilate when you can just "annihilate" normal matter by itself?
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>>33944550
I think she's probably witnessed something terrible, or perhaps she's just had to devour someone and is still reeling from the traumatic experience.

I've been liking the interpretation of Holli normally being a cheerfully oblivious, always-hungry, nigh-indestructible little sweetheart, but also as a child that can sometimes be frightened of the "bad things" she is asked to do, even if her Wizard Mom says it is for good reasons.
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>>33904417
that'd make one hell of a bullet
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This would kinda be broken, though.
>encounter Tarrasque
>eat it
and how pissed would the vast multitudes of adventurers (who had died fighting the damned thing) be when they realized the solution to be so simple?
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>>33946461
>simple
>simple
>it's so fucking simple, guys
>all you had to do was take this inconceivably massive astronomical anomaly
>make it small and cute
>then sic it on the monster
>fucking
>simple
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>>33946578
Yes, it's so simple that you managed to sum it up into a single short sentence while trying to make it sound convoluted.

Simple is not necessarily easy.
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>>33946461
Kind of broken, but entirely hilarious.

>>Holli is all smiles and looks particularly proud of herself for having saved so many people. Turning to her Wizard Mom, the awakened singularity happily enthuses that she finally feels full, for the moment, but that she was still looking forward to dessert later, reminding her that she was promised ice cream.

>>The assembled soldiers, adventurers and heroes of the whole kingdom, standing in a wide circle around the happy Holli and her dotting Wizard Mom, slowly let their weapons drop and their spells fizzle, various expressions of disbelief, astonishment and bafflement on their faces.
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>>33946759
And then Holli starts gaining divine levels from all the stories and worship that results. Eventually she becomes known as the great devourer, a CG diety
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>>33946975
>great devourer
>CG

True neutral. Like the nids.
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>>33947273
She IS, like time, gravity, and war. A immutable, unchanging existence. And for once, some good comes from it.
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>>33946975
>Blessed is she, Holy Holli, the Great Devourer, Smallest and Largest, the Happy Dark and the Eater of Nightmares. The Protector of the Weak and Friend to all Children. She who Wields the Powers Astronomical, She who balances the Weight of Righteousness with the Lightness of Joy.
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>>33947416
"Mooooom, why are these people on their hands and knees?"
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>>33947416
>>33948063
Perfect. Things like this and the Caretaker make me wish I was good at writing stories. There's a novel in there somewhere.
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>>33948063
>>33948063
>because they want to see under your skirt, dear
>just ignore them
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>>33947273 >>33947321
>>33947416 >>33948063
>>33948657 >>33946759

There is just something so sweet and charming about the idea of little Holli achieving apotheosis as a reward for all her good deeds and her genuine, childlike kindness. The fact that she could become a chaotic-good deity with a name like "The Great Devourer" is also really appealing, as it takes powers and concepts usually reserved for evil deities and BBEGs and uses them in the most interesting and adorable ways possible.
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>>33950007
>>Holli would become a Child-Goddess, known to adults as the Great Devourer, but to children as the Nightmare Eater. Into the smiling mouths of her devotional statues, children would slip pieces of paper onto which they'd written their fears and worries, ritually feeding them to Holli so that she could make them vanish like she had so many other ills.
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the real question is what are holli's paladins/ like?
Sin eating daemon slayers who give "tonight we dine in hell" a new meaning?
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>>33950569
>Exceedingly kind and cheerful to everyone they encounter and especially to children and those with troubled minds.
>Able to subconsciously alter weights and densities, allowing them to more easily wield oversized weapons, pull people to safety and perform various superhuman physical feats.
>Cannot be poisoned or made ill by food or drink, and can eat and drink a wider range of items than most and still gain sustenance.
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>>33950569
Something like being able to atone others by pulling their sins? Coolio.
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>>33938415
Merge. Black holes, as per the no-hair theorem, have no baryon number - there is absolutely no difference whatsoever between a black hole made of collapsed antimatter and one made of collapsed matter.
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>>33950162
>>33950007
10/10

I might even use this in my campaign.
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>>33956235
Mah Niggah
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>>33956235

I'm definitely planning on fitting Holli the Great Devourer into my next setting as her Pantheon's own adorable, eternally hungry problem-solver, and will be sure to include her role of Nightmare Eater for all the children too.

There are so many stories you could make up about things Holli has done in becoming a Child-Goddess, because literally eating monsters, evildoers and fears strikes me as both a very childish and classically mythological solution to fantastical problems.
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>>33950007
>>33950861
>>33950569
>>33950162
>>33958450

You know, I am totally imagining Holli still being adorable and innocently confused as she's worshiped and has paladins and what not. Wizard Mom being immortal and just taking care of Holli and trying, badly, to explain who that weird spider girl is, and why that gnome has golden eyes.
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>>33938665
The Afterlife is actually a super-massive MILF?
I CAN DIG IT!

>>33950007
Not to burst your bubble or anything, but one of the Ebberon Dark Six already has that name...
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>>33958684
No, still a loli, reread it.
>doesn't even grow enough to be a teenager

But really, this is a good example of how much /tg/ likes their creative endeavors. To be specific, they really like running them into the ground.
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>>33958595

>>Holli's "Commandments"
- Be nice and don't be mean
- Be good and don't be bad
- Do good things and don't do bad things
- Eat good food and don't be hungry

And that's pretty much it.
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>>33958684
>Not to burst your bubble or anything, but one of the Ebberon Dark Six already has that name...
it is a very generic name so of course somebody used it, but who cares? It's still free game.
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>>33958792
No, she still grows larger because she's consumed and thus became the afterlife...

...We've been through quite a few Universes since then...
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>>33958792
I'd say it would be running it into the ground to have a second thread, but we've gotten some laughs out of this one, brainstormed an adorable character, discussed some interesting science and created an interesting idea for a new deity.

All in all, a pretty good day's work for /tg/.
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>>33958874
>created an interesting idea for a new deity.
That's the problem, though. You took it completely overboard. It should have stopped before this step.
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>>33958886
No.
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>>33958886
Maybe, maybe. Personally, I plan on using the idea of "Holli the Devourer" while giving her a different, completely mythological backstory and making her an entirely seperate entity from "Holli the Blackhole Familiar," who is perfectly adorable as she is. Inspiration is inspiration though, and I'm thankful for it.
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>>33958874
By my count /tg/ has created two or three deities, right?
Amazo, that Drunk Irish Elf, and now Holli the Nightmare Eater?
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>>33959021

I'm sure there are more than that, but I remember those two.
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>>33959021
is it really tg when a single anon green texted whole origin story?
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>>33959021
We also had Good and Evil BDSM gods. I am surprised you of all people don't remember them.
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>>33960111
Eh, not much of a BDSM person...
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>>>Holli the Nightmare Eater<<<

>Though not considered by most theologians as a major deity and never asking of us much in the way of worship, Holli the Nightmare Eater is, nevertheless, a very interesting and important Goddess to know about.

>Many do not know that Holli the Nightmare Eater is actually one of the very oldest deities, and existed as a contemporary alongside the the High Pantheon shortly after the Creation. As the stories go, in the beginning all but for the members of the High Pantheon themselves was chaos and disorder, and the workd was a very dangerous place even for the Gods and Goddesses that created it. It was a time and a place of raw potentiality and unbridled creation, the dreams and nightmares of deities yet to be given form and purpose.

>It was thus that one evening, for evenings had just been created, the High Pantheon were beset by such a slew of nightmares, monstrosities of such manifold sizes and shapes that our Gods and Goddesses were very nearly overrun and their creation very nearly left to writhe in lawless anarchy for eternity.

>There was one such figment however, something like a nightmare and yet something like a dream as well, somehow tiny and gigantic all at once, that had been watching the High Pantheon hard at work, and had understood the goodness of what they bad wrought and had loved them for it. Seeing the deities' plight, it threw itself upon the horde of nightmarish unreals, and within but an instant consumed and devoured them all, saving our Gods and Goddesses from themselves being eaten.

>Mallos the Highfather and Elloha the Allmother, seeing and knowing the goodness and faithfulness and love within the formless thing that had saved them, mustered their remaining strength and with great care shaped for it a form and a purpose, naming her Holli, meaning "First Child," the Nightmare Eater.
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>>33960321
"How did they get my name wrong?! And I didn't have a husband, or even a one night stand or a research partner! I made her own my own. Damn clerics ruining wizardry again!"
"What was that mom?"
"Nothing, Holli, lets go get some ice cream."
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>>33961326
Fucking Clerics!
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Neither understanding nor caring for matters of theology but understanding and caring a great deal about matters of ice cream, Holli the Nightmare Eater eagerly takes her Wizard Mom up on her offer, leaving the nature if her apotheosis for another time.
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