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>>44177548
>What would you consider the all-around easiest Neverborn box to play?
Probably Lilth. She seems has a decently shallow learning learning curve.

>>44177548
I feel like people should be concerned with what that dude is constructing in his shed.

>>44178699

That's what I was thinking also.

She's interested in Dreamer but I think that might be a bit much for a complete newbie to skirmish/wargaming.

>>44179044
Why is that?

>>44245781
Do not seek reason in falling to chaos.
It is cancerous madness what drives a man to fall, not reason.

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>>44245781
It was more because he believed that the Emperor wanted Godhood (which was probably the case anyway) and Chaos playing on his fears. It was less that the Emperor did not appreciate him and more that the Emperor was using and abusing all the Primarchs for the reason above. It just spirals downhill as it gets further into the heresy becoming more of a Horus ascending to Godhood and pulping the shit out of the Emperor.

You have to remember that he had no real encounter with Chaos, even though he mentions it earlier in Horus Rising when talking to Loken so as stupid as it sounds to us, he has no idea that they are playing him fully.

The writer of the second book was not really the greatest at explaining what happened.

Pretty much what anon said, he went mad then tried to justify it.

>>44245411
That thing in his/her mouth... is that a bait?

>>44245411
If a game is so bad I want to quit, I'll do any of the following EXCEPT try to get my character killed.

>Let the group know they suck and just leave IRL with no concern for the story

>Try to get everyone EXCEPT my character killed in a terrible way.

>Try to stick it out as long as I can just shit on the story and the GM for lulz.

I've been trying to do that for the past three months with my current character.

>>44244058
>3.5
>Scout
>Sudden attack
Wut? you mean skirmish, right?

>>44244086
Whatever nerd

>>44244240
They also don't stack in the sense you think they stack with swift ambusher, that feat only allows you to pick rogue feats that depend on sneak attack as you were a rogue of the required sneak attack damage, you don't end dealing 10d6 from sneak attack and 10d6 from skirmish.

Track a kill list. Once a weapon takes a hundred souls it gains some sort of power based on the lives it's taken. A weapon that's killed many orcs would gain a preference for them, while a weapon that's recklessly used against enemies and innocents alike may drive the wielder into a bloodthirsty rage.

Throw in some foes who are slaughtering innocents just to power up their sword in one of the early adventures while you're at it. That'll let you introduce the idea within the context of the setting and show them the consequences of abuse firsthand.

Number of kills need not be the only factor, though. You can let them gain power based on valiant actions on their part or powerful foes they defeat. A sword dipped in dragon blood may come eternally aflame, while the paladin's sword, after being lead by his hand to deflect many blows for innocent lives, has begun to do it of its own accord. I'd encourage you to base it on actions on their part rather than simply letting them choose, as it reinforces the impact those actions have.

If you throw it on the player, there's a good chance they're going to try to make something game breaking. The best thing to do is keep the respective character in mind. You said the growths depend on their actions, right? You can expound on this by also basing gains on their personality too.
As for how often the gains should be awarded, that could vary with participation. Or, you could have them meditate/pray to get a new gain after a notable event. Like, a Paladin who stopped an assassination would gradually gain higher range and magnitude to his ability to sense evil intentions.
You could come up with a chart to make things easier, but there's no surefire way of accounting for every possible combination of actions your players are going to take.
This sounds like a really neat idea, though. The players are essentially forging their own weapons through their very being.

>>44243590
If you're going down this route (which is cool) you should probably have it so that everything can be explained to the player as to why the weapon is a certain way (at least to a degree). If a weapon is possessed with a desire to constantly shed the blood of any and all nearby, it should be relatively clear to all players that there is a reason for that (likely that it was used on anybody that moved for a long time). This isn't to say you can't have some "mystery weapons," but they should be extremely rare or be plot devices.

Some abilities could be a bow whose arrows fly almost silently and appear to almost seek towards a targets vitals, as it was used by an assassin for an extremely long time.

A shield can be naturally fire-proof as it was used by a famous dragon fighter, and be significantly more dense than it normally would be.

An axe used by an orc-slayer could speed up the attacks of its wielder in the presence of orcs, at the cost of exerting a considerable willpower to make the wielder engage in combat and then be unable to disengage from that combat.

A sword used by a necromancer could begin corrupting people into undead, with the speed and strength of the disease dependent on how long the sword was used to do so. It could also halt aging and grant the wielder considerable strength, but atrophy his appearance and drain the health of those around it.

>>44241566
Bob

Totally Spies 101

>>44241566
Officio Administratum Edgelordium.

Not really, though I've run into people who independently developed the same concept.

No. On the contrary, I'd really like to see what someone else would do with one of my characters, and if I'd be able to get over the 'but they wouldn't do that' hump.

I ran into a player who did this repeatedly in several different online games. They'd either resort to a boring and cliche archetype, or take one of the other players ideas (or multiple other players ideas, smooshing them together) except make it less interesting in every way. This, in addition to other things which made them a shit player, eventually ended with them getting booted form every game I shared with them, and they're not getting invited to any more.

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>>44237857
Move to Florida

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>>44237857
start with not being such a filthy heretic

>>44237857
Masturbate incessantly to your own intellect while arguing with literally anyone who you can perceive, all while stewing in your own grease and filth.

So...post on 4chan, basically.

>>44236287
Very well if you ask me. Up until the unmask which just reveals something -much- worse.

>>44236341
I've been toying with this idea for a while, trying to figure out a good way to keep it both CoC-y and like Scooby Doo. Most of the guys who play my game don't know anything about Lovecraft, so I can do almost anything I want right under their noses and they won't realize it. I need a good plot hook and a Lovecraft-y monster.

>>44236287
Skooks.

>>44230221

Balanced and more fun?

1. More than five creatures on any side of the field. With Magic you can build an army, with or without stomping monsters. YGO has a limit of 5 and you can choose which one to pew with yours.

2. YGO monsters have either 0 attack/defence or 100... Why such a big number? Summoned Skull is way more powerful than Blue Eyes White Dragon or whatever power card because you summon him more early in the game and crushes the opponent before he can do anything. When it comes to Magic, you just need to be really smart and good cards usually start at 4 mana.

3. I've met both nice and jerk players from ANY kind of game. You are generalizing a player base against another.

4. Power creep in both games. 'Nough said.

5. In YGO you can only win with rare cards. The ones shown in the series. With Magic you can get an advantage with rare cards, but you can win without if you're clever.

6. Short? I summon something, to sacrifice it to summon something else, then bring the other back to life as it isn't a sacrifice in the same turn but I can polymorph them AND polymorph back to prevent damage. In Magic you have a counter spel or a bounce spell.

7. YGO has a ton of gimmicky cards where you need some kind of dependant combo in your hand like Ritual cards, Fusion cards, Exodia or some other very specific combination. Magic has enough freedown to create your own combo's and RARELY has those kind of cards.

8. Lastly, I never heard a Magic player call a phrase like: I ACTIVATE MY TRAP CARD!

>>44230221
1 reason both are bad:
1. Nerds

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>>44231079
>8. Lastly, I never heard a Magic player call a phrase like: I ACTIVATE MY TRAP CARD!
You must not have played during original Zendikar block.

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Evil Clown House

A completely by the book evil clown, with non-lethal pranks to be the most annoying shit ever. Fighting inside an appropriately themed madhouse.

Fun moments include:
> Constant bike horns and laughter from nowhere and everywhere.
> Heavily trapped hallway with clown jokes such as sprinklers, stink bombs, boxing gloves to the nads
> Lubed hallway leading to a glass window, failing acrobatics would mean you'd often take fall damage.
> Trapdoor leading into a deep ballpit.
> Chest full of bananium coins. Completely worthless.
> Fake magical weapons that bent when used.
> Clown kidnapping a PC with a "Lets put a smile on that face", PC was found later with lipstick smile.
> Acid Cream Pie touch attack
> Curse of the Cluwne, Spellcaster had to succeed a concentration check or Honk mid-spell, ruining itè
> Clown Mech boss battle.

Yes, I played a lot of SS13 back in the days. I'm probably gonna run it again with my new group.

>>44230131

I once sent them on a fetch quest for an item that was

A) Cursed, but not immediately apparently so (It would react badly in the presence of the clerics of a major church, causing irrational hostility all around)

B) Was worth way more than what the guy who commissioned them was paying for its return.

Thus making it very likely that they would in fact abscond with said magic weapon instead of delivering it; which was Just As Planned, as a means of pushing the PCs over towards the bad guys, as they started alienating a major benevolent force in setting.

>>44230551
God I was subjected to something similar, some macguffin that we had to fetch, only for our employer to be assasinated, the item cursed (we couldn't get rid of it), and us now becoming the center of attention for every evil factions on the plane trying to steal it, including the one big evil god.

Shit was annoying.

>>44226322
I'm here

>>44226322
Hello!

>>44226336
>>44226370
Hello

Because if people were rational about things they wouldn't get to start big stupid fights on the internet.

>>44225443
Min-maxing is a problem for systems if the system is *particularly easy* to break, or if some options are significantly better than others; this can make players have significantly greater or less impact on the game as a whole.

This leads to two problems;

First, the GM will find it difficult to judge what level of challenges to throw against the players as three players could be super-fantastic and stomp all over the opposition, or all three could be bullshit weak and die in one hit. Or any mix inbetween, and in particularly, challenges of too high a rating may cause one player to be doing all the work while the other two if they even take a glancing blow would die instantly.

This can be alleviated by a good GM that can tell how optimised a player is, and can also be gauged after a couple of encounters, but it's far from ideal, and if you've got featherweights and heavy hitters together it's not going to be very immersive.

Secondly, players can start to be angry at each other and the GM, if they see each other as trying to game the system, or holding each other back, or deliberately trying to kill off their characters. If everyone can contribute at least on the same power level, then it reduces the levels of conflict between the group.

Shadowrun is a good example of this. A poorly build character in that will be horrifically outshadowed by a powerful one. And that will just make the GM AND all the player's jobs much harder. But you do have to have a good knowledge of the system to get a good character; not just D&D level "roll a druid, get cool powers lol".

If the system doesn't give as much leeway between classes, that also works out well.

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>>44225443
>>44225744
I admire Mutants & Masterminds because the book openly admits that the game is blindingly easy to break if you looked at it hard enough, and it trusts you, as players to not do it. It's a game that trusts you will build for the narrative than for the power; build the character you want, not the character you need.

We won't know till we get there. I personally think it might be Bolas, cause fuck you that's why?

Could also be some kind of internal issues. Some corruption of the heavenly host due to Avacyn's presence within the hell vault that she used to lock up scores of demons, vampires or ghoul callers discovering something to give them an upper hand over humanity, or an unforseen consequence of the Cursemute.

>>44224870
Black/White corrupted Avacyn when?

Advice to new STs:

Always have a cheatsheet and/or Storyteller screen ready.

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>>44217095
Already on that.

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>>44217139
>>44217095
Not what I meant to link.