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Hello /sci/,

Reality is composed of three separate things: what exists, what we make of it, and what the resultant effect is.

If we were to live in a simulation, it must be that the image, representation or depiction of something is an acceptable substitute for that actual thing itself (for example, if no one loved you not even your own parents but you could make up a world where one could make it look as though people did, then pretend it were real).

With this in mind, what would a computer game inside a simulation be? Given the precept that "looks real means really real", in the simulation the computer would look like the simulation due to how it works, but then the simulation world would become reality. The mathematical analogy is thus: when you rotate a vector by 90 degrees it goes out of phase with reality, when you rotate it by 90 degrees again it is now pointing backwards. Thus there is no such thing as "simulation within simulation within simulation ...", due to the fact that a simulation can't really become reality, one can only take it as such. You couldn't literally jump into the computer to start another simulation within that, could you?

We are already familiar with the concept of living one's life vicariously through computers, this is perhaps due to the fact that the notion of living in a simulation translates into the context of the simulation itself - people who in real life would live in a simulation when things aren't going well would even in the simulation find some way to live vicariously.
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>>9072533
I can confirm all this, I don't have much time but this is proof of it all, if you see him do not trust the man in the yellow box, this is also the last known image of him. I'm not sure he's even real in the sense we understand it
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>>9072533
>Computers are proof we live in a simulation
Just because we can make attempts to simulate reality doesn't mean reality is a simulation.

You're so fucking retarded it really bothers me thinking there is a chance you're not trolling and actually being serious. Go read a fucking book.
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>>9072555
>Just because we can make attempts to simulate reality doesn't mean reality is a simulation.

This is a straw man, if you actually able to read, you would see that my argument is that the fact that the way people treat computers is analogous to the real world and the simulated reality.

Also, let's take this person's comment as a matter of scientific interest. If we were living in a simulation, wouldn't there be people in that simulation trying to convince us otherwise?

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When you physics and math majors see things related to the Global Consciousness Project or evidence from RNG experiments, what is your reaction?

Just candy for lesser minds?
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>>9072529
Is this experiment and all the evidence for it really ignored? I I guess nobody here cares or knows. Kind of depressing.
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>>9072529
Such a thing as the "noosphere" undoubtedly exists. My hypothesis is that the randomness comes from people not caring and they are forced to when major events occur. I suspect it is all related to prime numbers somehow.
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>>9075241
To add to this, see my post here >>9072533

My idea is that the world as we know it is some kind of game whereby people pretend to be gods in some way. God made science in his image, so QM in our reality would be something that people made in there own image. Particles act "randomly" in this scale because people are content to just bounce around randomly (morally speaking) without regard for what is right. Randomly would really mean "according to some meaningless cyclical pattern" - space-time in our reality has both an imaginary and a real component. When highly emotive things happen time shifts phase from imaginary to real just causing some pattern to appear out of the randomness.

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Anyone have the /sci/ discord server invite? Asking for a friend.
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>discord
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>tfw not in the four inch club
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Federico?

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How is objectivity possible?
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>>9071837
it's not. if people saw different colors differently, contrast of light wouldn't be the same between all people, but it is.
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>>9071837
because reality exists
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>>9071837
what's more interesting is how the same stimulus can evoke different emotional responses from people, leading to different neurons firing and whatnot. I dont know why i find that weird

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Governments, politicians, and useful idiots have been impeeding scientific progress that threaten their ideology for centuries. How do we stop them? What will it take to protect our findings and promote the new innovative technology?
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SAY IT LOUD SAY IT PROUD

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>>9071578
>artificial wombs
>abortion
What is the connection here? I don't see it. Unless they're gonna pull the "how can she demand an abortion if the babby is formed in an external womb" argument, which has the implication that by the same standard, men should be able to demand abortions be carried out when babby is formed inside the woman.

Well, if this tech does progress and doesn't get legislated away we might see some really interesting effects on society.
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>>9071578
its going to sound obvious but better education for the public is really the only answer. America has really slipped in the global rankings in the last 40 years and you can tell by the general stupidity of the American population. What we teach kids in school should be based on facts, not political/religious ideologies.

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I'm a biochemistry undergrad, not a psychology student, but I was randomly wondering what the purpose of sleep was...or rather, the reason we fall asleep. Is it because there are energy intensive biochemical processes occurring that could not be done during our time awake?

Does anyone have any research documented on this topic I can find/look up?
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>>9071069
Sleep makes life predictable.
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>>9071069
I encourage you to ask one of your professors about this in class. Right now we just don't know
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>>9071069
>Does anyone have any research documented on this topic I can find/look up?
i think the best way to understand why is to read about what happens if you dont sleep. Look up FFI, fatal familial insomnia

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My aspergers has gotten me somewhere interesting. Why are cancer rates in the northeast/new england still so high even when they smoke less and are less overweight/obese?
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>>9070923
even adjusting for a specific race, the rates only get worse. What is so different about say Utah, California or Colorado in comparison to Massachusetts or New Jersey?

They have comparable rates of obesity, comparable rates of smoking.

Utah has a lot of mormons, and I presume they don't drink or smoke, and they like hiking and stuff, so their low rates make sense JUST based on that, so why isn't that the case for these other parts of the country that have similar low smoking and low overweight/obesity rates?

Is it the colder weather in New England? Is it something to do with altitude and natural cosmic radiation? Are these areas more industrialized with more pollutants? Does everyone in New England binge drink alcohol or what? Is it all of those Irish and British ancestries causing these high rates for some reason?
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>>9070923
>>9070930
My first guess would be pollution. The west is so huge, plus all the fresh air from the pacific. Think about it, the East gets the most concentrated portions of pollution from the rest of North America.

Again, this is my guess without knowing anything about jet streams and such. Doesn't explain Kentucky though...
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>>9070953
You might be on something.

Its not only about local air polution, but air streams. I live in area (moutanin valley) that gets huge influx of polution from whole Europe.

Also what about population density in diffrent areas, its obvious that states with more population living in large cities will be less healthy.

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ITT: We post amusing & or intriguing Wikipedia articles that are Science & Math related.
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I saw your deleted thread OP

if you want to link a post on another board you need to include the board name in it and 3 arrows

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>>9069731
t-thanks
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I'll post some interesting chemicals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thioacetone

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If you could become an unstoppable force in your field of study with nearly unlimited funding, what wild dreams would you try to achieve?
Ethical?
Unethical?
What scar would you leave on the planet for future generations to see? (implying there would be any)
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>>9069403
Would make the cure for natural death and make it so that it makes you permanently sterile.
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>>9069403
W would like to reaserch the methods of rewriting the human genetic code without harming the subject. Ultimately stoping death and aging, and tuning humans into godlike creatures.
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>>9069421
But then you'd have a steady decline of population through non-natural causes of death.
You'd kill mankind with stairwell tripping and casual accidents, one at a time

Immortality is hardly "godlike", but I'll admit it gives quite some time to try and become one. Unless the immortal subjects lose an era or two playing videogames and indulging in various risky hedonistic activities, that is.

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How advanced must science be in order for the cycle to be broken?
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You should try Peter Turchin instead, he makes sure his hypothesis can be proven wrong, this one can't
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Hard times create "strong men" in the context of "surviving hard times", not creating good times. Being good at survival does not equate to being good at governance. Revolutionaries who wrest control of a country from corrupt plutocrats don't necessarily bring everyone out of the dumps. As P.J. O'Rourke said, it's one thing to burn down the shit house and another thing entirely to install plumbing.

Hard times create a memory of recent mistakes that people go out of their way to avoid. Depression-era parents and grandparents hoard, as do many immigrants from poor countries. This bias of "live preparing for tomorrow" leads to its own set of mistakes in a time of peace, such as low investor confidence and a stagnation of higher education due to unwillingness to go into debt.
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>>9069315
go back to /pol/, they will give you an answer

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Less than 25 days until the first total solar eclipse in 38 years for the United States mainland and nearly 100 years since the last time a total solar eclipse has spanned the country coast to coast. I've been waiting for this event since I first learned about it in 2005.
I'd love to hear from other anons who are interested in the event, and those planning to travel to the path of totality

Where are you going to be during totality?

How is the atmosphere in your area regarding the eclipse, is anyone you know excited about it, anyone talking about it?

How do you think it will pan out? Will cell phone service crash? Will roads become parking lots? Will it inspire people to become newly interested in science and astrology?

I will be driving from Phoenix, AZ to Casper, WY. Crossing my fingers for weather.
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>Berlin
>Behind screen
>Nothing special
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>>9067826
If you're interested, Nasa will be live streaming the entire event.

https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/eclipse-live-stream
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>>9067831
Bookmarked. Thx

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What's /sci/'s opinion on eugentics? Is it right or wrong? Make sure to back up your opinions with proof.
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Not science
>>>/his/
>>>/pol/
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>>9065823
wrong. no proof. it's just wrong, inherently, to tell people who they can and cannot breed with. my proof is simple, "would you want to be told you cannot breed"?
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>>9065835
Why is it not science?

>One of the best authors and most influential scientists in his field
>Can't talk about him without Christians getting butthurt
>Can't talk about him without SJWs getting butthurt
>Can't even talk about his books about evolution or genetics without people getting butthurt
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>Who are you quoting, brainlet?
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>>9065341
>thinks green text is only used for quoting
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW7607YiBso
How can anyone not find him lovable?

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Ask away.
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When magnetic potential energy is changed into kinetic energy, what actually changes within the magnet to satisfy conservation of energy?
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>>9062411
can the number one be a function in your basisset ?
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When human stands submerged in a water, why water doesn't enter his anus and goes up all the digestive system?

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Are all high-level maths students intuitive geniuses, or do you think some of them just studied their asses off?

Asking because, though I'm pretty gifted at maths, I'm still a 135 IQ brainlet nobully (tests used in my country might be different from the burger ones though) and I'm pretty sure that means I can't get into one of the more prestigious schools

Well actually I used to think that, but then recently I met a friend of a friend's who's going to the école polytechnique (french equivalent of MIT), and I don't remember how exactly but we ended up picking up a math puzzles/riddles book that was lying there, we had sort of a contest since none of us has actually had sex ever, and the didn't strike me as particularly gifted or intuitive.
Actually he didn't figure out one single puzzle, while most of us did.
>in b4 "that doesn't mean anything"
let's not get into that, you all know it does
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>>9058373
Maybe, that's why applied math exists.
Do you happen to be a Pure Math major?

Also if you did some geometry puzzles, not everyone has good spatial intelligence OP, I'm a living proof.
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>>9058379
Nah it wasn't geometry puzzles, just logical brain teasers and such. You know the type, the dragonfly, the 100 windows, etc. (none of these obviously, these are well known). Actually I'm not as good at spacial reasoning (and my IQ scores seem to confirm it)
I'm a maths student, at the shittiest university there is. (attitude problems got me expelled from everywhere else)
Yet this guy who evidently has average intuition somehow got into one of the best school in the world. I'm bitter as fuck m8.
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>>9058393
>Yet this guy who evidently has average intuition somehow got into one of the best school in the world.
He most likely has acquaintances that helped him to get into that uni or rich dad.

Most prestigious places are actually populated by average richfags, it is rare to see an actual smart guy on a prestigious uni these days, especially in the U.S. where saying #BlackLivesMatter a hundred times gets you to Stanford.

Can't be helped, but
>(attitude problems got me expelled from everywhere else)
And why didn't you solved this problem? Were you in a good uni before?
You know that schools can contact each other about you and never admit you, right?

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