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Tell me /sci/ why am i good at math but absolute shit at physics
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Because you have Autism instead if ADD
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inb4 this turns into a math vs physics shitflinging contest
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>>9086334
Overdeveloped maths part of the brain. The rest is underdeveloped.

In essence a brainlet.

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I'm looking to get into finance, not econ. Anyone have some textbook recommendations? A track to follow would be even nicer, as I have only read on non-academic book, and took one class on personal finance in high school. Thanks
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>>9085769
one*
By one, I mean one finance book (the intelligent investor).
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The Talmud with diary of Anne frank reference material
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I'd youtube it. Warren Buffett I know has talked about which books he recommends to everyone wanting to get into it. What are you wanting to do with your knowledge?

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If a fly collides with a car travelling the opposite direction will the car slow down to a standstill for a really short duration? Before the fly can start moving in the car's direction it will have to first reach a speed of 0. When that happens that must mean the car is also at standstill.
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>>9085619
Lmao

That's a good one OP. Obviously the car doesn't stop, but I can't solve the apparent contradiction. Im stumped
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Objects never actually touch each other. They just get extremely close. There is always space between atoms.

As the bug "hits" the car, really it is just the front atoms of the bug are repulsed by the atoms of the windshield, causing it to slow down. Again, they never actually contact, just get slower as they get closer. Eventually the bug stops completely and reverses in a very short amount of time. The car itself never changes its speed.
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>>9085710

So if you hit someone in the head with a baseball bat none of the matter actually makes contact. What kills you is the repulsive force of the atoms?

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What's the scientific reasoning for this?
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It means you have Huntington's Disease
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>>9085279
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>>9085279
Looks like a case of arteries. You should cut them open and take them out forthwith.

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Alright guys, here's the deal:
Lately I've been thinking more and more about Godel's incompleteness theorems and other "paradoxical" or unintuitive results in math. Whenever I come across them the general attitude is "yeah, it's unintuitive, but the proof was formed logically and consistently so it's correct". But the more I think of some of these unintuitive results, the more their formulation seems flawed to me.
The main thing most of these results have in common is that they rely on inner paradoxes that are defined by the person who formulated the proof (for instance, Godel shows how to form a statement that is both true and unprovable). But my argument is this:
These paradoxes are always linguistic, not mathematical. They rely on objects and ideas that are not properly defined, in a manner that leaves place for potential contradictions. The only reason these theorems and proof seem correct is that they usually include an example of a self contradictory case (which supposedly supports the proof) whose origin is of a linguistic type. These linguistic paradoxes mostly arise from improper definitions and self reference.
Let's look, for example, at the proof of Cantor's theorem. It's based on defining the idea of a set that contains all elements that are not members of their corresponding subset. But who's to say that this set is even properly defined? Mathematicians are so used to the idea of "let there be..." that they usually just state the existence of objects without first proving that they are well defined and do not lead to possible contradictions.
(part 2 in next comment)
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(Part 2)
I know this issue was already referred to, especially in the context of Russell's paradox (again, why did people assume that the idea "set of all sets that don't contain themselves" is well defined?), and was allegedly solved by formulating ZFC and other axiomatic systems. But the only thing these systems did was decide on "stricter" rules, without dealing with the problems itself (one can still use objects and statements that are not well defined).
I think that in order to give a truly consistent and complete math, math needs to develop a linguistic theory that deals with how mathematicians form statements and definitions. I'm not talking about logic; I'm talking about a real linguistic theory that specifies under what circumstances mathematical statements are well defined. (The bad new is that it'll probably also force math to ditch Godel's incompleteness theorems and other ideas that'll be regarded to as "not well defined").

So at this point I have to admit that I don't really know what I'm talking about - I'm not even close to being an expert. But what do you think about this idea? Has it already been done and I just don't know? Is it possible? Is it worthwhile? Do you have any suggestions to problems that might relate/counter examples to reject my idea?
Starting next semester I'll start taking courses in axiomatic set theory and advanced logic and linguistics in order to start working towards a proper understanding of the subject (with the goal of one day creating this postulated linguistic theory). Until then, I'd love to hear your thoughts!
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Mathematics is a subset of linguistics. If you believe in a "True Mathematics" that exists beyond the scope of any form of language or formalized logic then you're already implicitly buying into the fundamental idea of Godel's incompleteness which is precisely THAT no formalized system of Mathematical arithmetic can prove all properties of the system.

As will all things mathematical, Godel works off of axioms, which you can think are neither pertinent or well-reasoned. One could easily argue that the theorem is not a limitation of logic and reason, but rather is a limitation of "elementary arithmetic" of distinct and finite operators. But it is a proved theorem within its well-defined scope. (And on that note there is no such thing as "proving something is well-defined." The concept of being well-defined is more fundamental than the concept of a proof. After all, proofs are the things most subject to being well-defined or not well-defined.)
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>>9084811
Pfftt, Gödel's theorems are simply inspired by the liars paradox: "This statement is false" which is False and I can easily explain how. But more interestingly, the paradox comes from our acceptance of "This statement is True", which is also False. Better yet, I can refute the Halting Problem's proof here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGLQiHXHWNk

I will start with how the Halting Problem was not proved after I take a screenshot of the flawed proof.

imagine a function both_one(f,x,y) for f(a) either 1 or 0
if f(x) = f(y) = 1 then both_one(f,x,y) = 1

you can create now another function called paradox:

function paradox(x):
if (both_one(x,x,x)==1) return 0;
else return 1;
end paradox

Here is the problem for paradox(paradox): if both_one(paradox,paradox,paradox) is 1 then paradox(paradox) returns 0, thus paradox(paradox) and paradox(paradox) can't be both 1. And if both_one(paradox,paradox,paradox) is 0, then paradox(paradox) returns 1, then both_one(paradox,paradox,paradox) must be 1. This is a contradiction, but the function both_one(f,x,y) exists, and is easy to create unlike the function halt(function,input), so this proves that this kind of recursion is wrong

A good way of creating consistent recursion is using algebraic technique i.e:
x = 10
2x = 10 + x
x = 5 + x/2

Algebra applied to "this sentence is false" is simply:
x = -1
x = 1

In terms of sentential logic, you have to differentiate a statement from a non-statement, otherwise you end assigning True or False to sentence elements eg Chicken = True, Blue = False, without any adequate context... But you don't have to differentiate, as long as you are consistent, and this is useful when such differentiation is unpractical: you simply assign a True or False value to any sentence. Effectively, however, all true sentences will be true statements, and all false sentences will be either false statements or non-statements. Take the sentence "Is false", [to be continued]

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I understand that one side of the beam will enter the glass first and will slow down first but why does each individual photon need to change direction when entering glass?
Wouldn't the photons carry on in the same direction but the photons that entered the glass afterwards be slightly behind?
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>>9084490
Light just knows the shortest path.
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>>9084502
How does it just "know" the shortest path?
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>>9084506
God is all knowing

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How can we know that the speed of light is the fastest?
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>>9082323
Because it's massless.
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>>9082328
So even in 1000 years we will not discover something faster? Are you sure?
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>>9082336
The stars at the edge at the observable universe are receding 3x the speed of light

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>mfw Calculus 3 kicked my ass (D, passed) years ago so you must forever take philosophy courses as electives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL0CqVbhs7Q
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>>9082173
what kind of shit school do you go to? If you get D in any of your major courses at my university, it must be retaken and you can't use that credit as a prerequisite. (ie you failed)

also brainlets are actually rare. you should feel proud of your inability to pass simple undergrad classes kek
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I passed all my math courses with good grades even thought I didn't even attend the lectures. I just read the course books, solved exercises and aced the exams.

I also happen to be a CS major. How's this make you feel?
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>>9082173
I've passed over 12 subjects attending less than 10 total lectures (combined).
Almost zero labs (excluding compulsory).
And literally zero tutorials.

I'm no brainlet, just an idiot.

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Is human space exploration dead for the time being?

It seems the most powerful nations in the world are more concerned with building weapons at the moment.
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Government work is kind of pointless right now because it has been successfully privatized. Private corporations are successfully launching satellites and beginning to build manned rockets.

The future of space travel will be commercial and will really gain traction once it becomes profitable somehow other than just government grants.
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>>9081329
Fuck human space exploration. Human space exploration is just plant a flag, take a picture, grab some rocks, then leave. I mean it's nice and all, but what we really need to focus on is changing the way we do space.

Right now we need to ship up everything from earth, if we're ever going to live in space this needs to change. What we really need to do is get In Situ Resource Utilization working. IE using shit from where we're sending people rather than hurling it from earth.

One of the best ways to start doing this would be to mine the Moon. So unlike asteroids, the Moon is damn close. Lag time is only like a second so teleoperating robots from earth is possible. This also means we can get stuff to the Moon within days of launch as opposed to years.

Now if you haven't heard, they just found a lot of water on the Moon
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v10/n8/full/ngeo2993.html

Now water's cool for a number of reasons, we crack it into propellant, we can use it for a bunch of metallurgical processes to refine moon rock, and we can use it to keep meatbags alive

Water has been found on the Moon before in permanently shadowed regions. Except we know fuck all about permanently shadowed regions and it's hard to power a rover some place that is PERMANENTLY SHADOWED.

So this new discovery is that some rocks we have from apollo that turned out to have quite a bit of water aren't anomalous and are found all over the moon. And most importantly they're out in the sun, where we have energy to process them. The concentration of water is high enough that with a small rover like one of the ones used in NASA's regolith mining contest(https://www.nasa.gov/offices/education/centers/kennedy/technology/nasarmc.html) could potentially mine tons of water per year.

Once we have a way to make propellant, we can set up a taxi to and from the lunar surface to bring more rovers/extraction plants to make more propellant
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>>9081329
Rate of CNS degeneration in open space, away from Earth, would render most humans useless in a matter of months. Who would have thought cosmic rays and iron / helium nuclei traveling near c pelting the skull for an extended period of time would damage neurological machinery in irreversible ways.

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1. Math
2. Physics
3. Chemistry
If you're not smart enough for math, then you go into physics. People who aren't smart enough for physics go into chemistry. Math is at the top of the food chain and biology and psychology aren't sciences.
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>>9083521
>Instead of studying what I'm interested in, I'll just do what le "ecks kay cee dee" tells me to
Neck yourself immediately
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that angry german kid completely WRECKS his computer !!!
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>>9083521
I bet you're so stupid you believe you're smart.
Look up "arrogant."
Tell me math genius...why does 1/3*3 on a calculator = 0.999999999999--to 16 or so decimal places--rather than equal to 1 or 0.999...? This is your great math.

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Has anyone ever made a fake studio moon landing just to see if it's easy to make a fake landing look real? Would be interesting
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THIS IS GROUND CONTROL TO MAIJAH TOM!!!
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>>9086484
Watch "From the Earth to the Moon" HBO series.
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I honestly don't see how, in an age where the existence of a veritable junk yard of near Earth orbit satellites creates the foundation for modern communication, people would draw the line at "being able to create a container which could sustain 1 atmosphere of pressure differential." Yes, it would require a lot more fuel, but we put a lot more money into that particular pissing contest.

It just seems like an anachronism.

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Why do people seem to think that we are living in the most objectively correct time? They think that just because the current scientific consensus is in favor of the earth being round, that it must be objectively correct. Science can never be 100% sure of anything. For all we know, the the scientific consensus in a few hundred years will be that the earth is flat again, and the people of the future will laugh at us.
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what the fuuuuuuu
are you seriously making this argument? Or is this bait are you actually joking

You could use that kind of logic on anything and everything at all. With that kind of logic you can't prove anything. How much proof do you need to say something is or isn't Jesus Christ how do you not see the inconsistencies with that line of though
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The scientific consensus today, is that your mom is a whore.

Not even a few hundred years can change that.
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>>9086436
b8 checklist:
>Langan
>Flat-earth
>we can't no nuffin

>b8/10
>Great Job Billy!

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what math would i use to divide a circle evenly using 2 (or more) lines that do not intersect with each other?
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Photshop, count the pixels.
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>>9086284

integrals
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>>9086285
but i need it evenly in a circle

with 2 lines the outer regions of the circle will have less area than the center region, so the lines have to be spaced unevenly with each other to make it an even area with the circle

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Need more math books. Recommendations?
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>>9086094
>Hunger games
Are you 12 year old girl? No, right? Then throw that shit into the trash. You are pathetic, grow up.
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>>9086121
OP should get rid of Thing Explainer as well
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>>9086121
calm the fuck down

Let's say there is a man and a turtle that agree to race.
The turtle gets a headstart. When the man reaches the point where the turtle was, the turtle has proceeded farther. This repeats ad infinitum and as such the man can not surpass the turtle.
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>>9085514
Until the man's quantum uncertainty resolves itself ahead of the turtle. Checkmate.
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>>9085514
well, that's that then, lads. motion is impossible, let's move on, shall we?
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The space between them would reduce each time the man reached the turtles previous position, and as a result the time to reach the turtles new position would also be reduced. Even though there would be infinitely many of these checks, they would start happening so quickly that an infinite number will occur in a finite amount of time, thus allowing the man to finally pass the turtle.

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