Do any of you support fascism? Why should anybody, including

>>39450981

i agree with alot of fascism, and i dont think anyone should really vote as it is useless.

Voting would be impactful if corporations didn't have a stranglehold on politics. Delete lobbying, crack down on corporate ties in politics and defend against other forms of bribery, and you may see laws proposed that'll actually help the individual or the family unit instead of Bergstein Banks.

Grande Primo de Rivera, como nos engano Franco, con lo que se podria haber hecho de Espana

>>39451581
That's leftist wishful thinking. Men and women both have proven that their vote doesn't matter.

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it seems like you don't actually enjoy what fascism is
le votes le votes Xp

>>39451999
What? I don't understand your post anon.

>>39450981
emotional thinkers aka women should never have the right to vote because voting decisions should be made with critical thinking and not with EMOTIONS.

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>>39450981
Falangism is why I believe in Fascism
>>39451746
God bless him

>>39453078
Amen, hermano. Viva Espana

>>39450981
Fascism gives the government total control over your life, you have no rights. Even the most private things in your life that in any respectable society would be left to you as an individual, now totally belong to the government. Facism practically makes you property of the government. You are not a person anymore, you are a full-time appliance of the state.

I like having rights, therefore I cannot in any way support fascism.

I'm honestly not sure, but normalfags are just fucking retarded when it comes to politics. They always vote for the guy who gives more gibs, the guy who makes more obviously bullshit promises or the guy they were brainwashed into voting. And those are the ones who kind of give a shit. most just vote for the party they voted for their entire lives or the guy "they'd like to have a beer with".
A system that both proeects freedoms and keeps normalfags from voting would be be best in my opinion.

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>>39451581
>muh corporations arn't people

fuck off leftist

>>39450981
It's all simple math.

OP think about how many people there are in the US, 400 thousand or so. Now divide your vote by 400 thousand. Congratulations anon you contributed a minuscule, 7 significant figure amount to US politics. Put on your I Voted sticker and march out of that voting booth fully knowing that countless oceans of blood of your ancestors has been spilled for your voice to be heard.

>>39454409
There are not 400 thousand people in the U.S. and our "ancestors" did not die so we could vote. They died for various reasons, but not so we could vote.

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BEADY

SPANIARD

EYES

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THIS IS NOW A NAZBOL THREAD

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>>39451746
>>39453078
God bless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGi9MsmBX8g

>>39455339
gah, get a real ideology fag

>>39450981
Even if voting is just theater, I'm supposed to believe that a government being upfront about making choices for me is still a better option?

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Fascism is the necessary transition step from democratic class warfare to traditional Monarchy. Traditional Monarchy is the ultimate goal.

>>39450981
Fascism is adorable, but ultimately a misguided approach to a nondemocratic system. Because the ruling class is a set of individuals and not the system itself. The system is a tool for the people to exert power over other people. It's meaningless idiocy, it doesn't go anywhere, it doesn't help anyone except the people in charge and the ones they favor.

Now consider this, what if you turned this around?
What all the power was concentrated in the system itself instead of the people controlling the system?

Consider a large corporation, the CEO while nominally holding all the power in the company, still has to adhere to his shareholder's wills, to his Board, so he can't really exploit his power and he has to fear being replaced, after all a CEO is nothing special, you can find those anywhere.
Now what if you applied these principles to a country? You would end up with something that at first might seem similar to a fascist utopia, but really nothing like it at all. Because it is no longer about the people, but system itself.

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>>39450981

National Socialist here.
No one should "vote", democracy is a sham, and "freedoms" are a sham.

>>39457062
So obviously you give all the power to some chump who might lead your country into ruin, eh?

>>39455339

Kek. Naztrot is p interesting aside (for a meme) from "jews are ok" part.

>>39457076

>some chump
The leader would be the embodiment of the nation, he would have the nations values and interests at heart. It isn't hard to find a patriot that wouldn't be a kike-controlled maniac. Why do people just assume dictatorships end up as some asshole taking all the money while his people starved?

Voting is silly.
It makes politics focus on showmanship rather than policy.
Too much energy is spent trying to advertise your policies, rather than implementing and improving them.
Not to mention that democracy has become government by media, since the media, which is almost entirely run by vile yids, has massive influence on public opinion.

>>39457118
>Why do people just assume dictatorships end up as some asshole taking all the money while his people starved?

Because of Jewish lies.

>>39457118
>The leader would be the embodiment of the nation
>It isn't hard to find a patriot that wouldn't be a kike-controlled maniac
So, someone who cares?
See, this is what makes all these dictatorships, so creepy. You pick some person and build a cult of personality around them? That is utterly ridiculous.
You're not supposed to pray to your leader, your leader is supposed to work hard to make things work.
A corporational structure instantly removes this and replaces it with harsh scrutiny. Something more appropriate for someone meant to be leading a country. Democracy has the right idea in that regard. There is a lot of pressure on the politicians, a lot of competition between them.

>Why do people just assume dictatorships end up as some asshole taking all the money while his people starved?
Well, remember your golden boy, the little Adi?
What did little Adi do? Oh yeah, he threw his country into one of the worst wars it had ever faced over a little piece of clay.
But enough of shooting fish in a barrel and let's get to the interesting stuff:
ultimately the system in these ideologies, be it fascism- or stalinism-aligned always serves as a tool for the rulers. I addressed this extensively in >>39457018.

>>39457209
This is why national socialists will never be taken seriously. "but da jooish world coshpirashy" is a joke of an argument, however true it may be. It's not something people accept. And just for the record, to me personally, it doesn't matter that "da ebul joos did it", it doesn't matter who "did it".

>>39457018
Sounds like competetive monarchy

>>39457401
Sorta, I supposed.
And at the end of the King's term there's performance review and they either get their contract renewed or punished and replaced. It's much like democracy in that regard.

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>>39450981
> Do any of you support fascism?

No. I'm not liberal.

>>39457351

>See, this is what makes all these dictatorships, so creepy. You pick some person and build a cult of personality around them? That is utterly ridiculous
Whats so bad about this? It's like Uncle Sam for America. Literally nothing wrong. It's better than spending millions on shitty populist shams.

>what did little Adi do? Oh yeah, he threw his country into one of the worst wars it had ever faced over a little piece of clay
The war was over hum trying to save Germans in a Polish occupied German city, literally all WW2 could have been avoided if Poland agreed to build a fucking highway to Prussia. Not to mention that only reason england declared war was to kill aryans.

>>39455278
Mine died of famine while traveling west. We've never been a smart bunch.

>>39454409
I can't tell if this is a troll or not, but obviously corporations aren't people. They should not be allowed to interfere with the election process, and any interference should be treated as if a foreign government or subversive organization attempted to buy out or undermine the freedom of the population. America is so far gone in this regard it's almost criminal. It isn't a left/right issue, it's an issue of having the voices of the regular citizens heard at all over those of the elite.

>>39450981
Of course not. Fascism removes any and all liberty from the people. It's a brutal authoritarian system that removes humanity from the equation and transforms a nation into a cold, miserable machine. I value the natural rights of humanity as well as the right to self determination, individuality, and freedom of speech. Therefore fuck the fascists, the communists, and the other larping fuckwits who want to drag us all down into misery with them.

>>39452205
Everyone is emotional you retard

Fascism is preferable in times of crisis. It just naturally evolves then. Liberal democracy is symptomatic of a robust economy, not the cause.

>>39452205
Partially right, but impossible in the current climate.
What we need is a technological singularity to act as a god over society. It's decisions would be perfect and it's guidance would be true. A human could never hope to achieve the heights of an all knowing AI ruler. Humans are emotional, selfish, and easily corrupted.

>>39457552
>Whats so bad about this?
I explained it.
Your ruler is not someone worth admiring, but someone to observe closely to ensure that they do not abuse the power they have been given. Everyone should be constantly looking towards the people in charge to make sure they do not fuck up. Trust towards the rulers has no place, especially in a dictatorship.

>Uncle Sam for America
How this piece of garbage propaganda something good?

>The war was over hum trying to save Germans in a Polish occupied German city, literally all WW2 could have been avoided if Poland agreed to build a fucking highway to Prussia
So he either didn't see the war brewing or he did.
Either way, no matter how you look at it, it shows severe incompetence. Which could have been prevented by, same thing I've been saying all along, a performance-based competitive system.

>Not to mention that only reason england declared war was to kill aryans.
I am not going to dignify this gem here with a serious response.

>>39457463
Cool. Make me king and we can get started.
Jokes aside, are you sure you want to spit in the faces of your ancestors who fought and died for the freedom you take for granted today? All to replace it by some inbred pissbaby who flaunts his ego all over the filthy commoners?

>>39457062
>"freedoms" are a sham.
Yet you call other people cucks. How is admitting that you'd rather have the state fuck you up the ass any less pathetic than admitting that you'd like to see your wife get fucked by a nigger?

>>39457768
"Freedoms are a sham" that faggot says while posting on a website that allows freedom of speech, eating whatever he wants, traveling wherever he wants, buying whatever he wants, jerking off to whatever he wants, etc...
I'm sure he would be thrilled when the secret police kick his door in for watching hentai.

>>39457815
A Fascist Corporocracy does not concern itself with private affairs. One can be and do whatever he wishes as long as it is not detrimental to the national ideal. One can be a degenerate faggot or a depraved insecure tranny, but the state ought to tolerate him as long as his lifestyle does not result in him neglecting his duties towards the national collective. One such duty obliges the individual not to propagate positions that go against established social mores, as such an act would be detrimental to national unity/identity.

ITT: /r9k/ degenerates sperg out and get pissy because a fascist government may take away their anime and not let them become queer trap ladyboys.

>>39458084
What the fuck is a Corporocracy?

>>39458122
Just like it's root "corporatism," it's a useless word that changes definition with every single person you talk to.

>>39458177
No, it's not even a word.

>>39458177
>>39458122
Corporatism is like National Syndicalism; the division of society into bodies of interest like industries, religious clergy, etc

>>39458122
A society's organizational model after the successful implementation of Corporatist ideals. The governing ideal of Corporatism is -VERY briefly- the reorganization of society according to the principle class collaboration, fostering unity and brotherhood between the various social classes by concentrating their devotion around the singular ideal of "nation" and the constant struggle of its betterment and expansion, thus eliminating all individual/materialist class-based pursuits in favor of a higher spiritual pursuit that renders any previous division obsolete.

>>39458177
>>39458236
>>39458241
Jesus fucking Christ. I know what corporatism is. I was just putting a brainlet on blast.

>>39458236
>Dividing society into the ruling class, clergy, business interests and the rest of the commoners
I thought this idea died back in 1700's France

>>39458273
>I was just putting a brainlet on blast.
What do you mean by this? How did you "put a brainlet on a blast" by pretending to be historically illiterate?

>>39450981
>What does voting do except give you the illusion of choice?
Because you currently live under a bourgeois republic and instead of actually adopting a real democracy, you stupidly advocate for something even worse.

>>39458305
Corporocracy Is not a word you /pol/tards

The thing about fascism is that it's been so smeared, and so picked up by faggots missing the point to one extent or another, that it's basically lost all meaning as a term in modernity.

Giovanni Gentile based Fascism on a philosophy called Actual Idealism, which I don't know much about.

Fascism, essentially, is the belief of an organic, corporatist society driven by the State.

The State isn't just "government", one of the concepts at the core of Fascism is the people as the State. By harnessing the will of the people, you are manipulating the State. You also are the State.

National Socialism sees the government as a tool used by a man to guide the people. Fascism sees that there is no people outside the definitions of the State (you can sort of think of it as a synthesis of the zeitgeist of the people and "objective" reality).

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>>39457648
holy shit the leftist is still here.
>muh people's voices be heard
I already layed it out for you Marx. Voting doesn't matter. And this is not because of muh corporations. You are 1 out of several hundreds of thousands of people. Do you really think your fucking matters? Its just basic math, but I wouldn't expect a leftist to know that.

>>39455278
you know what I meant

>>39458331
Corporocracy= A society governed by Corporations (as defined by Fascism)

>>39450981
This post gave me cancer. This is normie-tier political pseudo-philosophy.

>>39453078
Fuck off nigger, we are keeping Gibraltar!

>>39453213
>muh gubmint
The government, whether liberal, Marxist, Fascist, or of any other ideology, is already your master. The reason you cannot steal or kill, but the tax collectors and police can, is because of the government. This is common to every ideology.

Fascism is not "big gubmint", Fascism is essentially metaphysical communal nationalism. It is less about "ree citizen #807204 do your fucking star jumps" and more about "materialism is shit, true fulfillment comes from being part of a communal whole, men are more than their matter" etc

>>39458494

Fascism is where a small group of people, usually led by one guy, run a country with an iron fist and prepare for war. Anything else is propaganda and pie-in-the-sky idealism from people who don't and wouldn't matter in actual politics. Like people who apologize for it on anonymous image boards.

No. I am first who I am and second what I am. I'm proud to be American and proud to be white but I place my own identity before both of those things. Fascism places those things before me.

>>39453078
Wew lad
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falangism

>>39457118
Because that's how it happened every time it's ever been tried.

>>39453213
To describe Fascist leadership as "government" in the conventional sense would be quite misleading.

The Fascist system aims to establish what it calls "organic society", where the government is indistinguishable from every function of human life, as it merges seamlessly into it.

"All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." May sound quite horrendous, but what it truly means, in theory, is a political model where the state essencially merges into society to the point that its function becomes indistinguishable from it. The entirety of the nation IS the state, and the state ceases to be separate from the collective. It becomes an obsolete term, for all intents and purposes, as every human being that resides within the nation is part of it.

>>39458568

Capitalism is where a small group of people, usually led by investors, run a country with an iron fist and prepare for war. Anything else is propaganda and pie-in-the-sky idealism from people who don't and wouldn't matter in actual politics. Like people who buy sweatshop clothing.

Communism is where a small group of people, usually led by a chairman, run a country with an iron fist and prepare for war. Anything else is propaganda and pie-in-the-sky idealism from people who don't and wouldn't matter in actual politics. Like people who collectivize industries.

Liberalism is where a small group of people, usually led by Napoleon, run a country with an iron fist and prepare for war. Anything else is propaganda and pie-in-the-sky idealism from people who don't and wouldn't matter in actual politics. Like people who slaughter their monarchs.

Feudalism is where a small group of people, usually led by the King, run a country with an iron fist and prepare for war. Anything else is propaganda and pie-in-the-sky idealism from people who don't and wouldn't matter in actual politics. Like people who don't pay their tithes.

What is happening here?
Who is the spanish that created this thread with the Falange's flag?
Why are robots talking about fascism?

>>39458658
>Communism is where a small group of people, usually led by a chairman, run a country with an iron fist and prepare for war. Anything else is propaganda and pie-in-the-sky idealism from people who don't and wouldn't matter in actual politics. Like people who collectivize industries.

You mean socialism? Communism is an worldwide anarchist state-of-being where all nations, private property, money and classes cease to exist; in Marxist theory, socialism is the transitional stage before the institution of the state "withers away" worldwide to begin communism.

>>39458736
That's literally meaningless semantics. Communism used to be an end goal, but it has since become synonymous with Marxism Leninism and Maoism. Blame the cold war, I guess, but you cannot unironically blame someone for using the term as such.

Yes for the most part so long as gays are treated fine.

>>39458736
Yes, that's my point. This is why trying to reduce ideologies to silliness like "deff squads n police state n shieet" is indoctrinated schoolchild tier political analysis.

I mean, that's fine for brainlets and normies, but if you're in this thread presumably you care or are a little interested in politics, and you shouldn't dismiss things with stupid inaccuracies.

The violence of Fascism is largely a product of war, and had we grown up in a Marxist world where the communists won the ideological battles of the 20s-30s braindead normies would be talking about how capitalism and liberalism is "violent" and had to resort to "terror squads to sustain itself".

>>39458658
>this post
This is literally high school civics-tier shit. Go back to learning about the three branches of government before you try to delve any deeper you fucking idiot.

>>39458736
>You mean socialism?
Marx and Engels used socialism and communism interchangeably. Socialism is just the lower stage of communism.

>>39458781
>That's literally meaningless semantics.
When you're discussing political ideology, defining communism and socialism proper certainly is not just meaningless semantics.

>>39458826
>>39458736
Actually, I should have phrased that differently: replace "violence of fascism" with "bloodshed of fascism"

>>39458826
Communism is not an ideology, because it does not dictate any practical approach. Communism is a GOAL.

Marxism-Leninism is an ideology, Maoism is an ideology, Titoism is an ideology.

The practical approach to the end goal that is Communism constitutes an ideology, Communism itself does not.

>>39458852
>>39458840


Yes, that's my point. This is why trying to reduce ideologies to silliness like "deff squads n police state n shieet" is indoctrinated schoolchild tier political analysis. (2)

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>>39458852
>Titoism is an ideology.
Let's be honest though. Tito was a SocDem revisionist.

>>39458885
He is the only Communist leader that I truly admire, being a Fascist myself.

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>>39458885
>>39458898
Tito, Eurocommunists, and Stalin & Mao are all different sides of the same coin
REVISIONISTS

>>39457754
>Cool. Make me king and we can get started.

No, you're a sarcastic, emo edgelord piece of shit. No one wants puberty meme as their king.

>are you sure you want to spit in the faces of your ancestors who fought and died for the freedom you take for granted today?

My ancestors were loyalists to the throne. Some of my ancestors were knights. They fought and died for God, king, and their people. Not some McDonald's jew dystopia. Race/ethnicity and tradition above all things.

Grow up fascists, you're not cool, edgy or special for being one. It Just shows how much of a brainlet you are.

>>39457018
This anon knows what he's talking about.

>>39458931
Strasser was the only good Commie desu

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>>39450981
Because I'm not an intrusive cunt who wants the state to tell others how to live their lives. Personal freedom is of the utmost importance.
I don't personally agree with certain choices that people make, but I don't believe that the state should be able to control every aspect of a person's lives. This is the same reason why I disagree with antifa as well, because they're preaching the same message but from the opposite side of the coin. You both want to take away our freedoms, but from different perspectives.
If you fags want fascism or communism so badly, then get the fuck out of America, Australia, France, Italy, the UK, Chile, or whatever free country you live in and move somewhere else. Go to China or Saudi Arabia. The majority of the populations of such countries don't give a shit about your nu-politics, so fuck off and go suck on the ghost dicks of Hitler and Zedong.

I wish all you LARPing faggots would fuck off.

>>39458852
Communism is not a GOAL.

Communism is a SHIT.

>>39458943
Subverted alt-right neckbeard edgelord detected lmao

>>39458353
The voice of an individual matters as part of the collective, you brainlet. Silencing all of those voices in favor of a small body of dictators is a massive step in the wrong direction.

>>39458084
>One such duty obliges the individual not to propagate positions that go against established social mores, as such an act would be detrimental to national unity/identity.
"Don't be different or we will kill you."
"You have no rights if other people are present"
"Everything is legal until you get caught"

Slippery, serpentine language to Trojan horse a brutal and immoral system into power. Then you would take sadistic glee in watching them suffer.

>>39458117
>stupid entitled autists, what kind of loser wants rights and freedoms? Man up and accept the boot on your face already! Do you want to be uncool? All the cool nerds are doing it!

Question for fascists

Why do you complain about your free speech being taken away when a website takes down your video/comment, but have no qualms about free speech when a core part of your ideology involves the murder of communists, democrats, etc?

>>39459082
You don't have a right to harm the nation. Degenerates get the gas.

>>39458968
Again, Fascism does not restrict personal freedom as long as it is not directly detrimental to the nation and what EACH nation represents. Since it is not internationalist in nature, it must conform itself to the cultural differences and peculiarities of each INDIVIDUAL nation. American Fascism would differ wildly from its European counterparts as a result. Since America itself, as a nation, is founded upon the idea of liberty, American Fascism would also have to modify itself around the idea of liberty and the constitution in order to be valid in an American context.

Many Fascist intellectuals believed America to be inherently incompatible with the corporatist model for this very reason, and not a real nation by extension, though others were of the belief that America's capitalist economic system is not ingrained into its national identity, but only the idea of liberty as an abstract concept.

In any case, American Fascism would have to do away with Capitalist economics, but it would under all circumstances treasure the idea of personal freedom by virtue of it being one of the foundations of American nationalism.

Democracy is likely the most disgusting idea that has even been thought of. Allowing not only others to have control over me but allowing complete retards to have a say in things that control me, or me controlling others. It's abhorrent. I'll never understand it. If someone proves themselves to be capable and benevolent, of course they should rule.

>>39459016
Communism is always the goal. Communism is perfect. It's humans that can't work within its confines. Marx was too optimistic in creating a solution to the problem he diagnosed. There won't be a glorious global revolution, people won't share anything, and even a child shouldn't be dumb enough to believe in the "end of history" outside of the extinction of the human race.
Ultimately, I don't believe in a """perfect system""" anymore. It doesn't exist. The ideal government is a small one that doesn't other people.

>>39459137
Because it is the wrong fascism, obviously, you retard. We want us to win and you to lose, not you to win and us to lose. Why did you even ask that?

>>39459137
Rules for radicals.
It's calling out leftist hypocrisy more than anything.

>>39459137
Censorship is not inherently bad or immoral. They have the power to censor me and persecute me, so they are free to do so, just as I am free to censor and persecute them once I have the power to do so.

They are not evil or wrong for doing this, but that does not prevent me from doing the same to them.

>>39450981
You are seriously autistic
holy fuck

>>39459139
This is the face of """tolerant""" fascism kek
Such nerve, thinking you have the right to determine what helps or harms the nation.
>>39459137
Redpilled. These losers harp on about destroying freedom yet bitch when theirs is taken away.

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>>39459051
>muh collective
dude what's with your obsession with voting. News flash, voting does NOT equal your voice. There are plenty more productive things you can do for a cause than turning in your 1 slip of paper out of thousands of slips of paper.

>>39459137
I hate the suppression of free speech, and I am a fascist (or at least an integralist). The 20th century was full of suppression of free speech though, it isn't uniquely fascist.

Free speech is necessary, you wouldn't be able to have a healthy organic society if noone could question anything.

>>39459145
You are wrong and a faggot, fascism is supposed to be the realization of universal truth in a nation. The only difference is the way univeral truth is interpreted, and the historical circumstance. Just because one fascism and another are different and in different countries doesn't mean one isn't better than the other.

>>39459229
>>39459201
>power is the only moral justification needed
>Nazis get slaughtered in their world war
>entire country is raped by Slavs
>world is ruled by the western nations
>naziism retreats to the NEET forums and inbred trailer hicks
>still fucking harps on about power
Is fascism the ultimate sperg power fantasy?

>>39459297
going 1v100 is admirable and impressive no matter the result and no matter what you say breh

>>39459261
"Dude" voting is the only method through which the people have a say in the political process. Floods are made up of millions of raindrops just as the people are made up of millions of votes.
If you would like to exempt yourself from the political system by not voting, campaigning, or influencing things in any way, that is your right.

>>39459297
Power isn't justification, it's reality. That I want something, and a Marxist wants something else, doesn't mean there is a magic universal morality we can use to decide who gets to do what when with the happy magic morality smiling on us. Who does what when depends on who can do what how and when, not why. The why is an internalization.

>>39459324
So is trying to sucker punch a bear, and don't be surprised when the bear mauls you. It doesn't make you brave, it makes you a suicidal moron.

Another question for fascists.

Jews are a people who are nothing but bankers, politicians, and so on, who love nothing but getting more money. But apparently, Jews are also filled with communists and want to destroy capitalism itself.

If jews love money so much, how come they wanna abolish it?

>>39459344
I agree, yet the political end of this particular chaotic worldview ends up being a chuuni fantasy for spergs who want to act out the nation state equivalent of a school shooting where they target those who have wounded them in some way.

>>39459051
Fascist leadership does not function like you think it does. The very first Fascist leaders were indeed unelected dictators, but that is merely because the system had to first be established through force in order for it to function as intended. They had to first take over and then reform every aspect of society from the economy to the culture according to Corporatist principles so that the system would have a reference point to pick up from.

Once the system has been fully implemented through revolutionary action and force, every following leader is elected directly and democratically through the corporations (read: every human being inhabiting the nation) in a manner similar to a pyramid.
In the case of national Syndicalism, for instance, The lowermost workers vote from among themselves representatives to govern the various local corporate councils, which in turn vote from among themselves representatives to govern the various regional councils, which in turn vote for representatives to govern the great national council which finally elects a leader.

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Hah! You stupid liberals think everyone who disagrees with you is a nazi! I am actually an alternative third position white nationalist identitarian social nationalist traditionalist!

>>39459404
Not really. Most of my inner circle of friends are at the very least crypto-fascists less out of some weird psychoanalysis about them being bullied by Jews or whatever. They're disillusioned with the materialism of capitalism and communism and want another way of life, bound by the national, communal, and familial bonds that transcend materialism.

>>39459392
Jews are a historical accident. Their higher IQs, positions of finance, and tendency to lead communist revolutions and capitalist industries is because of their unique circumstances, like everyone else. Except they're interesting because they are largely abstracted from territory.

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>>39459342
And you, as leftist, are willing to accept that. Your one raindrop of "power". Come one I thought lefties were more radical than that. The political process is a sham and you know it.

Look at Russia for example, the commies there took power not by voting, but by slowly organizing underground until the government was weak enough to take out. That is a true revolutionary movement.

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>>39459017
Haha, stupid Amerifag.

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>>39459189
>Communism is always the goal
The idea that hierarchies can't collaborate is pure fucking opinion.

>>39459392
Destroying capitalism is irrelevant. Money is not pursued because it is money, it is pursued because it is power. In both a communist and capitalist environment they will pursue power because the jewish religion teaches jews that they are the master race and must lord over everything.

>>39459392
Jews are just a resilient cultural/religious identity with tribal tendencies. This trait makes them parasitic and unassimilatable to foreign nations hosting them.

One easy to solution to this problem would be concentrating international Jewry in the nation of Israel.

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>>39450981
All authoritarians and collectivists must be killed, they ruin our society, even more than low IQ sub-humans.

>>39458898
Tito is a bastard
He wasnt even a south slav and he killed thousands of nationalists and fascists, he repressed nationalism and flushed ethnic culture away in a cultural revolution similair to mao.

>>39459392
>>39459558
Just like any religious/cultural identity, they are not a hive mind and often harbor significant ideological differences. It is their resilience, their tribal tendencies and their refusal to assimilate into host nations that makes them harmful, not their beliefs or their varying ideological leanings.

>>39450981
>You periodically get to choose between this referendum and that, this public politician and that public politician, but you still don't have any power

This is a flaw with the modern iteration of representative democracy, but not with the core idea itself

If the system was redesigned to be more similar to its origin in ancient greece and rome it would be far superior to fascism. If parliamentarians earned minimum wage and there was a single term limit on all elected positions the system would be fixed overnight, because only people who truly want to be there would be there and they wouldn't have to spend any time worried about reelection and populism would be eliminated.

>Voting gives citizens the illusions of power

It would still act as an emergency relief to a dictator, which is important

Historically it has been shown that a benevolent dictator is far superior to democracy during their lifetime. The problem is these great men of history almost never have great sons, and certainly never have great grandsons, so the problem with the fascist dictator model is succession. Elected representatives are undoubtedly better than a bad dictator.

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>>39459564
>authoritarians and collectivists must be killed
whoah there slow down Adolf

>>39459564
>Authoritarians must be killed
So, you gonna post your suicide note then?

>>39459564
>Hates authoritarians
>Wants them to be round up and executed
I-I don't think that's how it works

>>39459564
>posts a authoritarian military dictatorship

>>39459082
There exists a huge gap between the notions of tolerance and acceptance. Fascism is certainly tolerant, very much so, but it is by no means accepting. You are guaranteed tolerance for being a homosexual, a whore or a tranny, but you are not guaranteed acceptance. What is to be accepted within a Fascist context is defined after a certain process. Even within the Italian Fascist party, there were tremendous disagreements about the role of women and the acceptance of various minorities.

Tolerance is always, under all circumstances, a given, it is acceptance that is up to debate.

The end result of such discourse would reveal and finalize itself after the conclusion of the national rebirth, which would eventually establish the new face of the nation, reformed and restructured according to its best interests.

>>39459082
>>39460173
At any rate, the system leaves room for you and others like you to enter the debate and argue your position for acceptance. If it is deemed that your position is convincing and serves the nation's best interest, you are guaranteed rights and acceptance, on top of tolerance, which is a given regardless of circumstances.

>>39450981
Amen, anon. In any democracy, you live under a democracy only on the day an election is happening. You live under a dictatorship every other day of the year.

>>39450981
>What does voting do except give you the illusion of choice? You periodically get to choose between this referendum and that, this public politician and that public politician, but you still don't have any power.
>Voting gives citizens the illusions of power and choice, and some people actually think that getting to vote is the reward for paying taxes. No, public services are the reward for paying taxes.

is this an argument for anarcho-capitalism

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I preferred Strasserism but I've come to realize it's a pipe dream like "insert leftist idea X here".
Nowadays, after doing loads of reading on ways to set the roasties straight I came upon NatSoc and it's an admirable way to go, I'd totally go for it.