For all the virgins or sexually under-experienced; Why not just

Both and more. First, I don't live in murrica, brothels are illegal here. Of course I could find whores who are probably std free if I really want but there is no way it could go well.

I'm extremely afraid of women, not to mention the performance anxiety I have. 99% chance it would be a terrible experience and I would hate the tought of having sex more than ever. But let's pretend everything goes well and I get hooked. I'm poor, I will never have enough money to do this regularly. It is better never experiencing it then.

>>39382780
I'm married but I'd do it if I had the money and the opportunity. I'd pick that brunette in lace and thigh-high stockings.

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>>39383118
Why would you go to a brothel if you are married?
wife not put out anymore?

Because I'm a faggot who still believes sex to be an intimate thing and I don't want to kiss a whore on the mouth.

>>39383284
Variety. She's still down to clown but she's gaining weight and never sucks my dick

Almost positive I've ruined myself due to excessive masturbation.

I guess maybe I could do nofap but it would be such a struggle and I have no future anyway so hard to justify giving up porn

>>39382780
I don't want to put my mouth or dick where 5 other dicks have been in the very same day, I don't want to kiss a mouth that just had cocks inside it. The very thought is enough to make me gag. I don't know how anyone could do such a thing. Maybe you delude yourselves into not thinking about it?

But even then, it's hundreds or even thousands just to get off, with someone who means nothing to you and you mean nothing to them. Just fucking fap, what is the point?

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Serious question how is anyone able to have sex with a rando?
Even if she isn't a whore I need time to get comfortable around her before I can actually go through with intercourse.

>>39383749
I wouldn't go to a brothel or hooker just to fuck. I'd want something more exotic than that, like pick a kink-friendly one and live out some weird autistic fantasy or just ask for a long edging blowjob or something.

>>39383788
sometimes all the blood leaves ur brain and goes to ur cock, anon.

In saying that, I've had an experience where I want to fuck a whore and I was sort of disgusted in myself at the same time / in the verge of having a psychotic episode and I couldn't get hard, every time I tried to fuck my dick would just stay soft, eventually I just got a hand job to cum and then afterwards I felt really terrible / wanted to kill myself.

Not all experiences are like this though, I've had good experiences too.

Funny to see this thread, I've just been looking at ads for whores, I'm not going to hire one but for some reason reading the ads really turns me on.

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>>39382780

>Why not just visit a brothel?

Because i take losing my virginity as a right of passage to becoming a man, and also joining the ranks of wider modern adult Western society. The imperative is to prove myself worthy of uncoerced sexual selection by a female.

Going to a brothel would be like having someone bring me a caged lion to shoot, so I can say that I 'hunted' it.

Yes, virginity in this context is a social construct, but social constructs are not necessarily without subjective value.

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>>39382780
Brothels are illegal in the glorious bongistani caliphate.

I couldn't do it, anyway. Would be too anxious. A brothel/hookers makes it all far too casual. The woman doesn't give a shit. She's just selling her body off as a fleshlight while she switches off her brain and just muddles through it like a job.

I'll give up on that soon enough, though. A few more months and I'll give up entirely on ideals of love and genuine intimacy and just start ordering hookers. Hopefully there are some who do discounts for regular customers so I can just keep a good one on call.

>>39383861
What is the value of sticking penis in vagina? Sounds to me like you are just vain.

>>39383962
He is arguing that it's not about just sticking a penis in a vagina. It's about getting someone to accept you as a partner and doing intimate things with you, like sex, of their own volition.

>>39383994
Exactly, just vanity.

>>39383951
Geezer where in our glorious nation are you?

>>39383962
>>39384002

>"I want to work hard and earn a 100k salary by the time I'm 30."
>"You're just pretentious!"

>>39384038
The majestic midlands. Our mosques and designated shitting streets are a marvel to behold.

>>39384068
If you want to earn money just to feel better than others, then you are just pretentious. You already explained your motivation. To be accepted into "the ranks of wider modern adult Western society". You crave acceptance. It is vain.

>>39382780
I know damn well I could obtain sex whenever the fuck I want I've visited brothels countless times already. Hell, my country's known for weed and hookers. It's not about sex though, I just want someone that's not a whore to cuddle with for the night as faggy as that sounds.

>>39382780
Because I don't want to support the degenerate life style of one night stands, whores, short term fucking.

>>39384085
Damn your shit out of luck could have helped you out but I'm a south east posho here... at least Remember us when mummy may let's in these diverse scientists and engineers through the channel tunnel

>>39384153
>I don't want to support the lifestyle that has existed for all of humanity's existence and even in the animal kingdom

mmkay you keep working your way to some beautiful evolution, the rest of us are gonna get our dicks wet

>>39384193
How were you planning to help me out, anon?

Anyway we'll probably build a wall dividing the south-east from the rest of the country, and then we'll scrawl the names of all of you on the wall as a memorial. The minarets will just be decoration and not actual guard towers.

>>39384119

Rites of passage in societies are comprised of activities that are generally : A) Objectively good; and B) Valued by society.

In tribal Africa hunting animals proves physical prowess and mental ability. In Polynesia getting an ancestral tattoo demonstrates pain tolerance and familial solidarity.

You focus on A and ignore B. Sexual desirability is one of the most significant evolutionary traits a sexually dimorphic organism can have.

>You crave acceptance. It is vain.
Yes, because humans *aren't* societal animals, and community integration *isn't* one of the psychologically healthiest states of being. /s

Choosing isolation is a valid lifestyle choice, but it is not in line with my ultimate life objectives, which are to be financially successful, have a family, and command influence in some community. Achieving sexual success is condusive to all three.

It seems even if I stated a rite so obviously beneficial like 'being able to benchpress 80 kilograms', you would still deride it.

Your position appears contrived to the point of willful ignorance; perhaps dismissive, for self validation.

>>39384353
*focus on B and ignore A.

>>39384339
Places to go for ez fucks with hot chicks and how to go about it as well as places you can buy quality sex for cheap

I had a hooker recently, it was terrible. she was okay for 20 minutes but then kept rushing me to finish, which killed my boner. ended up just rubbing it out on my own stomach while she rubbed her tits on my face

my suggestion would be to get a girlfriend experience kind of thing, see if you can kiss if you are into that ( i am), and keep her for the whole night. its so much better than going for an hourly deal.

>>39384353
Complete gibberish. First of all, good is always a subjective term as it is dependent on a subject and not a trait inherent in an object.
Psychology is more of an ideology than a science, and it proposes that the ideal state for a human is to have all their instinctual longings fulfilled, completely blind to the addictive nature these longings have been granted by evolution. There is nothing healthy about about addiction. Nor is there anything sane or virtuous about it.

Because I don't usually want sex badly enough to go out and get it. If I really wanted to get laid I have 5 or 6 women on a backburner that I could most likely bang without trouble. Plus, I live in a small town with a surprisingly present police force, so there isn't a prostitute or escort to be found within an hour of where I live. Just college girls and former high school classmates who never left home. Then you can also take into account that I'm a college student on a budget who lives off campus, and now you know why a prostitute is totally out of the question.

Its not about the sex itself. Its about being unable to get any without paying

>>39384542
You always pay it in one form or another.

>>39382780
Prostitutes are literally the proof of failing in life. You deliberately admit your inferiority. You can't function as a normal human and you need to pay for things other people get for free. Not mentioning how pathetic it is to fuck a complete stranger who doesn't remotely have nothing to do with you and probably finds you disgusting. Don't be slaves of your passions and start using your time better. You're not horny. You're bored.

>>39384735
>Pay for things you can get for free

Tell me how that farm's coming along?

>>39384735
Prepare to be proven wrong and BTFO.

Many people who go to prostitutes are Chads. Successful people. Men who can and do get it for "free" as well.

>>39384735
Rich people fuck prostitutes all the fucking time, see the dubai whores, you are a retarded normie.

>>39382780
I would if brothels were a thing, illegal prostitution is not worth the risk, not so much the legal risk as much as the possible diseases.

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>>39384464

>First of all, good is always a subjective term
Even if this were granted, the implicit contexts for evaluation of the listed traits were universal enough to the human experience to be functionally objective.
And if you disagree, let's see you try to prove it while holding the theory of evolution to be true, as you just indicated.

>Psychology is more of an ideology than a science
Prescriptive psychology is a subset of psychology, which is just the observation of human behaviour.

Regardless, let's go ahead and disregard everything the entire field has produced, for example, the principle that humans develop best with a strong father-figure throughout childhood, because the discipline is, "an ideology".

>There is nothing healthy about about addiction
Conflation: The post


You don't even present any coherent structure. You're just picking out statements at random and trying to refute them (badly). You are clearly arguing just for the sake of arguing at this point.

>>39384735
Lots of high-career people go for prossies. Think of the benefits:

>no fuss
>professional
>can get really attractive ones
>can use them as escorts for parties
>non-judgmental
>more honest and less manipulative than a regular girl

>>39385039
I refuted your poorly structured argument. You tried to pass the "rite of manhood" of as an objective good, which would be impervious to my criticism, as it was 'objective'. There is not much else to do than simply state that you do not understand what objective and subjective mean.
Then you argued from the position of psychology that humans are "social animals" and therefore it follows that vanity is actually a good thing . This is non sequitur if you view outside the false framework of psychology. Psychology is not just 'observation of human behavior', but includes the proposed explanations for this behavior and the theory of human needs. Which you need to be true for your argument to be made.
It's time to stop watching Prager University and Jordan Peterson and open a book instead.

>>39382780
That situation just makes me so uncomfortable.
All that stare and pretense.

>>39383687
>she's gaining weight
So tell her to lose it?

>>39385152
>>non-judgmental
you're an idiot if you think that.

>>39383687
>never sucks my dick

Run m8. If she's not happy to suck you off *and* happily guzzle your jizz she's got attitude problems or, worse, sees you as someone who can't get it anywhere else.

>>39386018
>never sucks my dick
not wifey material. Has to go

>>39385255
She won't judge him for the freaky stuff he wants to do and she won't the people they both know, possibly ruining him in the eyes of his peers.

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Because it's not just sex that I want. It's validation in its most vulnerable form.

>been kissed by girls
>held hands with girls
>hugged girls

None of those girls ever saw me as someone who deserved sex simply for just being who I am. And I don't mean it in the "I'm a nice guy, where's the sex I deserve" either. I mean no girls in my 24 years of life have deemed me worthy of giving up what they would easily give up to others. Maybe this is truly natural selection by women to weed out the weaker men on this planet.

>>39382780
Iv visited a prostitute before, but honestly.

I still want to know what it's like for someone to WANT to be around me. That WANTS to have sex with me.

That'll never happen though, so I settle for what I am get. I'll hire a hooker once a year or so.

>>39386359
Ultimate truth.

And that just makes it even sadder when you see normals continuing to bastardise and casualise sex more and more, stripping it of and any and all value it ever had.

>>39386438
hookers want to have sex with you because they want money, They provide a service and you provide the money

dipshit

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>>39387878
Yeah, but they'll do it with anyone who has the money. There's something to it when a grill has chosen to be with you out of thousands of faggots.

I'm 27 and I would find it embarrassing to tell a prostitute I'm a virgin.

>>39388600
Yeah but why would you tell them? You don't need to tell them anything, short of warning about any STDs or cannibalistic tendencies you might have.

If you performed poorly or seemed particularly nervous, she would just assume you might be going through a dry-spell and went to a prossie to break it.

>>39382780

From my experience women in brothels are extremely ugly and low class

>>39382780

What you really want to do is look in the back of a newspaper for a girlfriend experience

>>39388650
I literally wouldn't even know where to put it in or move. There's no hiding it.

>>39388822
Dubs master, pls, you know where to put it. You've seen enough porn.

>brothels
>murrica

>>39383091
>I'm extremely afraid of women, not to mention the performance anxiety I have
>I'm poor, I will never have enough money to do this regularly
so lets be honest, why dont you off yourself?

>>39382780
I literally don't go because I don't have money to support this vice, which will be my future vice.

>>39384735
If by paying money I can force a woman to suck my dick and let me penetrate her who is inferior now?

>>39390255
This, it's 100% a money problem for me

>>39389031
I know it's a hole in the front. But even pornstar dicks slip out sometimes.

>>39383091
u can just do it once in a while...treat it like a luxurious steak dinner, you can't have it everyday but once in a while. People do this literally with every pleasure of the world, most people aren't rich as shit but still occasionally enjoy luxury.

It also may (possibly not) motivates for more hard work, especially if you earn commission for whatever u do.

Lastly I must assure you that good providers will ensure your time is very pleasant, they do that shit for a living, and have to deal with virgins and inexperienced men ever so often, so you need not worry about this.

typing all that shit makes me feel like a salesman for hookers, but just saying.

>>39386603
sex can be meaningful for some and not others, the same way holding hands with someone while watching the sunset at the beach can be extremely emotionally significant for some and not others.

Don't bitch about how other people "bastardize" sex or what not just because you cant get any, if theres anything worse than a beta fag, its a sore loser beta fag.