What are the benefits/negatives of No fap
is it just a meme or is it actually beneficial?
>>39168747
nofap is a fucking meme you dip
>>39168747
Its been on my mind too anon.
Is it just Porn that does the damage? is fapping actually okay
>>39168764
How so anon? just asking
>>39168747
I did it for over 90 days and nothings really changed. Superpowers are a joke and after about 20-30 days I noticed I am more anxious with people when looking them in the eyes, interacting, etc. I didn't get any surges of energy or anything like that either. Falling asleep still tough as ever. I persevered because I thought why the hell not. Nothing worked before, might as well.
>>39168747
>implying you even can do it
bruh you'll give up sooner or later even if you persist for a month, the urge only gets stronger
>>39168784
>Is it just Porn that does the damage? is fapping actually okay
NoPorn is much more beneficial than NoFap. What's the point of edging all the time?
>>39169002
this guy fuckshe right doe>>39169126
If you want a stronger libido nofap is effective at giving you a stronger libido.
As for the people that get REALLY into it, the type of people who have deprived themselves of pleasure have existed for a long time, they're called Ascetics. The nofap movement is just a modern take on that wrapped in pseudoscience. There's nothing new under the sun and the Victorians make modern peoples commitment to nofap look like a goddamned joke, they would use chastity belts which would injure their dicks if they ever so much as got en erection.
It doesn't take that much effort to NOT do something OP so why not just try not fapping if you want to know what it's like?
>>39169312
I was thinking i watch a lot of Porn. and i want to stop. i figured maybe not fapping may help.
its sounding like fapping is fne, but porn is the problem
>>39168747
It's not a meme, I can't describe to you how much it is not a meme.
The benefits are very real biological reactions. And it's the profound skeleton key behind why 95% of people here suffer socially.
The people putting it down know almost nothing about it and are just knocking it down because they can feel smarter than people and also not challenge that something they like may be bad for them.
Here's the jyst: Your body is has been engineered over billions of years to reproduce. Every being in your lineage going back to prehistoric algae has managed to do this.
When you get sexual release, your body basically says "mission accomplished" and stops developing you in ways that would make you a happy and productive member of society. Extrapolated to getting sexual release every day or even every couple days and you get resigned to being a pasty, depressed hunchback. Why wouldn't you, you're getting "laid" like Genghis Khan.
After about 3 days, your body starts producing more testosterone. After about 7 days, the testerone begins binding and taking effect in your body. Your voice gets deeper, your jaw actually gets a bit more defined, you have way more energy and (it is miraculous how well this works) you're competent socially. It just happens. You just breathe and the right words and actions come out.
It's not a meme. I'm so confident it is not a meme I spend probably 30 minutes a day discussing it and informing other people if I get the opportunity. I will strangle anybody that says it's a meme, but I can't strangle people through the internet so the best I can do is writing a verbose wall of text whenever someone calls it a meme.
>>39170120
>he fell for the evolution meme
>>39169254
you're from reddit, aren't you?
>>39168747
I don't understand how it's possible that many people find it difficult.
I frequently go a few weeks without fapping and I don't even think about it. Fapping is just another chore for me - sure, it feels good for a few seconds, but it's not worth the preparation and cleanup.
But to answer your original question - I don't believe there is anything to it, I'm exactly the same sperg when I fap and when I don't
>>39170120
>jaw gets more defined
t. Biology failure
>>39168747
It feels pretty good to jerk off after holding it for 5 days
That's it
>>39168747
Bullshit propagated by bunch of puritans
I bet most priests masturbate
Even Pope probably does it
>>39168747
Mirror from /christian/
>semen is packed to the brim with nutrients the body would not give up unless there was a higher priority: procreation
>Semen is only one percent sperm; the rest is composed of over 200 separate proteins, as well as vitamins and minerals including vitamin C, calcium, chlorine, citric acid, fructose, lactic acid, magnesium, nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, sodium, vitamin B12, and zinc
>you literally become weaker after every ejaculation
>if you're single it may be the reason you haven't found the drive or motivation to find a woman - your body is weakened, relaxed and complacent
>unused semen is absorbed back into the body
>masturbation also makes it harder for men to stay in committed relationships with their woman
>>39170418
>Christians
>Using Science
Is this Bait?
>>39168747
>>39168784
I don't think they are necessarily poison of the soul, but I do think it is bad to never take a break from porn and fapping in your life from the time you start as a youngster. And my thinking about the 2 never changed until I quit both for a while. Once you quit both the need goes away and it becomes less important in your life and, instead something you can choose to enjoy if you want.
The problem is that too may anon jerk off to silence their rage or sadness. If masturbation is a cure for you, you will feel even more sad and empty after the ejaculation.
>benefit
You get magic powers before your're 30
>negative
That porn collection you've been gathering for years will be completely useless.
there's this, worth reading if you can overlook how pretentious it is
>>39170120
This is so fucking dumb.
Nofap almost always focuses on dudes, yet men can have insane amounts of children relative to women. Your body isn't going to go "mission accomplished" because there is no hard limit. If it can keep being reproductively successfully, it will. Nothing is "good enough" for a selfish gene.
And you're only defining reproductive success through number of (presumed) babies. Your body won't just depreciate or stagnate because it assumes a woman got pregnant because humans require a substantial degree of childcare from several people. Even after impregnation, a man needs to still be primed (or improve) in order to ensure his offspring reach adulthood.
And you're acting as if, to your body, masturbation until orgasm = sex. It doesn't. That's why nofap is irrelevant to women - they know they're not pregnant after orgasm, so their body keeps going. The male body works the same way - you don't KNOW the imagined female is pregnant, so better keep going. Besides, there are physiological differences between sex and masturbation that your body recognizes.
You're also assuming that masturbation is a behaviour with no purpose - that it just exists as a sex surrogate - and you're wrong.
"In males, masturbation flushes out old sperm with low motility from the male's genital tract. The next ejaculate then contains more fresh sperm, which have higher chances of achieving conception during intercourse. If more than one male has intercourse with a female, the sperm with the highest motility will compete more effectively.[44][45][46]"
>>39171057
Okay Moshe
>>39171233
>used all the stuff from nofaparguments.txt in one go
you dun goofed
>>39171281
I'm sorry that everything you stated is incorrect. There is no biological marker that tells the body whether or not an ejaculation was executed in sex or in masturbation, so yes your body is going "mission accomplished" after every orgasm.
Your body has its own way of recycling old sperm through re-absorbtion, new sperm is created every time your heart beats. If you masturbate you are flushing out new sperm along with nutrients that the body needs, while releasing hormones associated with actual procreation.
I would love to see how many (((names))) are behibd [44] [45] and [46].
>>39168747
Basic science shows it to be a meme. The best option is NoPorn and fapping in moderation(less than three times a week) as your testosterone cycle is, well, cyclical at a rate of 4 days for the total cycle. Any NoFap benefits surrounding the broscience of test production goes out the window because your body will start doing night emissions to keep and regulate a healthy cycle. Fapping TOO much however, more than three times a week, is harmful to this cycle and can lead to anything from arthritis like symptoms to balding and even worsening eyesight its just a bad deal all around.
tl;dr porn and over masturbation is the problem but jacking it moderately is safe.
>>39168747
>>39169126 (this)
Nofap is a pointless meme.
Noporn is legit, though. You get overstimulated by porn. Try masturbatinng on fantasy.
>>39171440
>you
That wasn't me you dumb fuck.
>so yes your body is going
View it from an evolutionary perspective. Who's more successful? The man who ejaculates once, or the one who keeps going, considering how not every ehaculation results in pregnancy.
>new sperm is create every time your heart beats
(Citation needed)
>you're losing nutrients!
If those nutrients are sequestered away in your testicles and this reserved for other use, it makes no difference to your current amount of energy if you masturbate. The supposed "energy loss" could easily be compensated by eating a sandwich and drinking a glass of water after. And that's assuming that a single ejaculation (how many mL?) has any noticeable impact on your body. Taking a massive piss doesn't leave you dehydrated. Cumming doesn't cause malnutrition, you hack.
>using an (((((((ad hominem))))))
It's mostly a meme but a lot of guys get some placebo effect from it so it's not entirely useless. It's also cool feeling like you accomplished something, even if that 'accomplishment' is not doing something. Doing things is hard. If you can get the same feeling from just sitting around it's obvious why people would be drawn to it. There is also a big subculture on rebbit and dumblr where they obsess and talk about porn and relapsing and raid other sites to shitproselytize.
>>39170120
No, total testosterone as a whole doesn't increase. However FREE testosterone spikes, but only for a day.
>>39171742
I'm a nurse and taking massive piss can cause dehydration but that's not what scares me. It's electrolyte imbalance that will fuck a man's shit up. I think the guy you're talking to means malnutrition in a more spiritual sense. This goes back to chi and the indian/chinese ideas about withholding one's sexual emissions.
>>39171824
This. Masturbation is not the Jew stealing your precious bodily fluids. Stopping masturbation won't make you Chad. It's bad because like all pleasurable things, it's addictive. Porn has some problems with altering your perception of healthy sex.
>>39171824
It won't make you a Chad, but the physical and psychological benefits it offers aren't a result of placebo.
>>39170120
>you have way more energy and you're competent socially
Fucking kek
>be turboautist
>stop touching your wee-wee for a few weeks
>boom, shyness gone
>you're no longer anon, the turbosperg, you're now pseudo-Chad: the "passable women" slayer
Post some evidence or gtfo
>>39171919
This is actually somewhat true. I always feel a bit more energetic a week or so into Nofap, but I feel like I'm going completely fucking crazy due to the sexual frustration so eventually I just go fuck it, and jerk it.
>>39168747
it's for faggots that jerk off 4 or more times per day
if you only jerk once per day nothing is going to happen,do you think chad or normies dont fuck daily? JUST
>>39168747
nofap is for faggots that can't get any pussy and can't stop masturbating.
>>39171856
>a person will become dehydrated after a single act of urination
You're fucking with me, right? I work outside in a greenhouse for eight hours straight doing physical work. Sometimes I forget my water bottle or skip lunch. At worst, after a day of sweating and urinating without water I get a mild headache that goes away after a nap and a drink.
And that's after a LOT of fluid loss. The average guy does not ejaculate that much, there are refractory periods, most people stop after one or two times a day, etc. That is not great, fast, or frequent enough to produce a noticeable effect. You'd have to consciously sit down and masturbat intentionally without breaks until you chaffed to start feeling bad. At WORST you'll get a bit of a cardio workout from the state of arousal.
>>39171892
>physical
Shut the fuck up.
>psychological
Obviously. When you're covered in belly semen and see your reflection in the dark monitor of the laptop after a day of shitposting, of course you'll feel depressed. People feel depressed after eating piles of cheesecake or NEETing two hard. That isn't something inherent in the action of masturbation, it's a general antipathy towards the direction your life is taking poisoning what indulgences you do have. It's called guilt, shame, and depression. Not masturbatinh might relieve it the way getting a job might boost confidence. However it is very dependent on the person and this autistic "I'll never masturbate again!" crap is just nonsense. sober people can drink whereas ex-addicts have to avoid falling off the wagon. The average, non depressed person can masturbate and feel fine.
>>39171997
>Obviously. When you're covered in belly semen and see your reflection in the dark monitor of the laptop after a day of shitposting, of course you'll feel depressed.
My sides
>>39171997
>ithinkmyanecdotesandassumptionshavemoreweightthanmedicalfactandpeerreviewedstudies.mp4
>>39172070
>bumping your own post
Sorry to rain on your parade, zlompfkin
Not gonna be party to the debate happening in this bread right now, but I really can't let this slide without giving my personal experience.
I'm a normie for all intents and purposes (I have friends, successful in school and work, haven't gone a month without sex in 2 years now like 6 different women). I'm also an anime loving autist online. I'm basically the bridge between the two worlds, the Avatar of all men.
I really cannot explain why, but nofap legitimately makes my life significantly more positive every time I do it. I lift harder int he gym, I have an easier time waking up, I find talking to people easier and they seem to like me more.
Please, take it from me, I'm begging all of you neets to just fucking TRY IT FOR A WEEK. Pair it with a jog. You'll experience, even for a brief minute on day 7, after your exercise, what it's like to feel accomplished and not depressed. If you're lucky, you might crave that enough to do something about it.
Also if I sound condescending it's because I think you neets are pathetic and should die if you can't do something as simple as go outside, run, and stop jerking it.
For me the only positive of nofap, is the satisfaction that I get from knowing that I can control myself. Thus allowing me to control other problems like my eating problem.
>>39171057
yes, good goy, masturbate, masturbate, yesh. prevents prostate cancer goy.
>>39168747
Noporn is the red pill
Nofap is for addicts
No porn is like eating healthy to lose weight, nofap is like becoming anorexic to lose weight. Also btw with no porn you will want to fap less after awhile anyways. Porn fuels he deserve to jack off more
And like this guy said:
>>39172103
If you do do nofap, fucking put that engry into something worthwhile, what freud would call sublimation.
Many young men today suffer from having no concrete goals to strive towards. Nofap is retarded except for the fact that it can be babby's first concrete goal. Once you become more goal oriented, once you get used to struggling and overcoming, you get better at doing it in other aspects of your life.
Nofap is the lowest of all goals but at least it's a goal, and if you have nothing else it's worth striving for.
>>39172097
>I was the only user that posted any studies
>nofap fags just allude to studies and dismiss and contradictions as a ((((a conspiracy))))
Or rather, in this case, dismiss it as samefagging.
>>39172314
>see! If I say it's the Jews I can avoid refuting the central point!
>>39172103
i just did NoFap. actually, i just didn't jack off for like a week for whatever reason.
on the 4th day i started getting a weird discomfort in my balls, like the type you get when you sit on them too hard.
so 2 days ago when i finally did fap, my dick felt like it was going to explode literally and i could feel the discomfort, then as soon as i came the discomfort went away and i haven't felt it since.
in others words, No Fap is not for me. maybe "works" for other people, but i can't advocate it after that.
>>39172097
That anon used anecdotes, but only in response to another user starting a baseless fact and supporting it with an appeal to authority ("I'm a nurse"). You're being intellectually dishonest because NoFap has zero scientific justifications.
>>39172103
This sounds like the Mormons that come to my door and wake me up.
Capitalism/modern technology provides too many things that make us feel good too easily. In the same way that easy access to sex on tinder is killing young women, easy access to porn is killing young men.
Having access to these things so easily kills our drive, strength, and sense of purpose, and hurts our long-term happiness. It is through struggle and work, and seeing the real fruits of that work come to fruition that we achieve true strength and happiness. Cutting anything out of your life that gives you this easy, worthless pleasure is a step in the right direction.
>>39172382
A shekel for a good goy
>>39172439
>$0.06 has been deposited into your account
>>39168747
Its a meme. Jerking off once every day or two is completely normal and healthy. Your body dosnt hold on to sperm for more than 2 days, you just recreate it I dont know the exact science behind it. Literally the only thing that comes from nofap is a bigger load when you jerk it for the first time in a while.
>>39170588
This makes a lot of sense. Link to the archived thread if you have it, friend?
>>39168747
it give me motivation to workout.
More energy, that's it.
>>39170539
I only masturbate when I get turned on, not to dismiss a sadness or to quell my anger.
Never had the urge to go after a female, never had an urge to have sex or pursue any form of reltionship. I've always just wanted to be alone and away from people, I don't like them.
>>39170418
so if I'm reading this right the solution is to eat your cum
life was going wayyyyy better the 2 sepereate months I was on nofap. I was actually accomplishing things everyday, happy, motivated, way more energy, concentration was a lot better and it seemed like I was on a course to actually getting a good job. I knew before I broke nofap that if I did it my life would be shit again but I did it anyway. I've been pretty unmotivated, lazy af, depressed af, hopeless since jerking off again. maybe nofap is the cure my frans.
>daily "is nofap a meme" thread #45,787
You'll feel less tired and a bit more energetic
Thats about it though
>>39168747
>>39169113
post the bukkake one
>>39171057
>that is why nofap is irrelevant to women
gee golly, it is almost like you think women can't potentially be addicted to porn/masturbation and it can't desensitize them
nofap is relevant to anyone who is addicted to these things and wants to change for the better/wants to improve themselves/their sex life
>>39171057
regular masturbation may be fine in moderation, but I believe watching highly stimulating pornographic material gives less reason to pursue women. If you can do nothing and get 2nd place, why work hard for 1st?
I jerked off excessively in highschool, the same time my crippling anxiety came in and I did not pursue a single woman. I was contempt enough just jerking off than actually putting in work and facing rejection.
Porn is the same as junk food, it makes you happy and contempt in the moment but in the long run only damages you.
>>39171997
>when I pee no fluid or electrolytes come out ever
Wew, you are wrong on so many levels if you think fluid and electrolyte problems can't happen if it's just sweat, vomit, diarrhea, piss, or bleeding.
>>39168747
are you the kind of guy that sleeps 15 hours everyday?
after a week of nofap you're going to sleep 7-8 hours and stay alert
>>39170223
>the preparation and cleanup.
So am I the only one here who just rubs massage oil on my dick and spunks all over the carpet?
>>39168747
you get a sex drive which nudges you to pretend youre a tough guys and go fugg girls for sexual release
if you fap you are satisfied so you just dont care and stay in the house
>>39170539
>The problem is that too may anon jerk off to silence their rage or sadness. If masturbation is a cure for you, you will feel even more sad and empty after the ejaculation.
Actually, masturbation is like a numbing agent. The longer you go without it, you start to think thoughts and feel emotions more strongly, so if you were using fapping to drown your anger , sadness, etc. it will come to the surface for you to deal with.
>>39168747
if you fap daily stop. should jerk off only every other day at most.
>>39172730
>not just googling "rise of the cucked betas"
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/75430875/
>>39174232
not that guy
personally longer i stay no fap more hot i find choking videos and am more mean
>>39171919
>>you're no longer anon, the turbosperg, you're now pseudo-Chad: the "passable women" slayer
I don't feel like a chad that gets pussy. I just feel content with life and am not as tired and I can look girls in the eyes no problem and say hi to them. I'll never be someone to get laid consistantly
I go for no fap just because I get too addicted to jerking off and I waste a lot of time while doing so. So no fap actually gives me more time in life
>>39171462
I'm wondering if any no-fap skeptics will at least admit that, if SEVERE masturbation addicts cannot into moderation, and their only option is quit fapping, or relapse into fapping SEVEN times a DAY, then not fapping at all is clearly the better option?
>>39174359
I'm skeptical that sex addiction even exists. It's as ridiculous as eating addicts. Just don't fap/eat so much. Don't pretend it's addiction.
You feel better about yourself. If you must fap, don't do it to porn. If you must fap to porn, don't make it professional porn.
>>39170120
my god these dumbasses again. promoting some placebo that hasn't even been confirmed by science.
>>39168747
I know from experience, it's far better than jerking off constantly. Gives you a healthy view of girls (or boys if you're into that), lowers your sexual need as far as weird shit.
I went 90 days before I relapsed. I gotta do it again, I'm sick of this shit. I hate masturbating, idk why I do it.
>>39170418
>chlorine
>citric acid
>zinc
Anon... Chlorine is the chemical people put into swimming pools to disinfect them. This is why your eyes burn if you get swimming pool water in them. Citric acid is the acid in lemons, limes, oranges, tangerines, and other such fruit, that burns like hell when you get the juice in any kind of cut. And zinc is a fucking metal, usually used to coat copper and shit.
>>39173683
i hope youre still around
oreganor
>>39170539
I use masturbation as a natural sleep aid.
What does that say about me?
>>39175937
So when faced with the option of fap bit have to put chlorine in eyes, rub lemons in cuts, and eat literal chunks of metal, or just not fapping you choose to do all that extra shit just to satisfy your addiction to touching a dick. Seems kind of crazy when you look at things this way. Consider this a wake up call.
>>39172427
Congratulations anon, you just experienced blue balls for the first time in your life.
>>39175974
Addicted to sleep. You won't need sleep if you'd stop fapping so much and exhausting the body. I average 3 hours a night since nofap, exactly one REM cycle. That's all the body really needs unless you put unnatural stresses on it.
>>39175654
Those kinds of people aren't addicted to food/sex. They are fucking traumatized on some subconscious level so they developed a really really bad coping mechanism to drown it out.
You aren't thinking about what daddy did to you when you were a little kid while listening to yourself chew on potato chips.
>>39176060
>Addicted to sleep.
Lol, no. I use fapping as a sleep aid specifically because I can't get enough normal sleep.
With fapping I can get roughly four or five hours of sleep. Without fapping I just get thirty to forty five minutes of sleep inbetween a couple of hours of rolling around restlessly in bed. Or getting up and walking around/watching tv.
>>39176060
>unless you put unnatural stresses on it
last I checked there's nothing natural about the civilization we live in
I went a month with no fap, it just made me crave a gf more, it also made me really aggressive and would be pissed off about a lot of things.
Still better than before thought, I use to masturbate like 8 times a day now I masturbate in long week periods or if not none at all.
>all that built up pressure
>only think about fucking every and any female you see on the street
>females at office are now even more annoying
>irritated and frustrated
>way more random boners
why the FUCK would you nofap