Was Marx black? It would explain why he talked so much about everybody getting free stuff.
you capitalist dogs are so easy to trigger i'm beginning to wonder if you've been pavlov'd
>>38828497
Is this a shitpost?
That would explain why don't just use Google?
>>38828519
>talks about others getting triggered
>gets triggered
>>38828497
Nope he was ashkennazi jew which explains a lot as to why he was the biggest leeching parasitic bum in recorded history.
Caine murdered his brother that wasn't his brother.
Caine was a subhuman.
>Marx was Jewish
>the real Jews are black
>Marx was black
HOLY FUCK YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING
>>38828497
>getting free stuff
Marx literally considers work to be the most important aspect of human life, retard
>>38828857
*the most important aspect of goyim life
He never worked. Communism is intended to create a large deracinated class of goyim cattle with no nation or tradition. On top of these cattle would sit the Jews, and that's how it did work out in implementation. Why do you love Jews so much anon?
Ooogabooga gimme yo money white boy!
>>38828497
Obligatory WE
>>38828857
>Marx literally considers work to be the most important aspect of human life, retard
So why did he spend most of his life sitting on his ass taking gibs from his friend Engels, dipshit?
"Those who do not work do not eat"
-Vladimir lenin
Keep talking about how communists are lazy and just want free stuff.
Marx was absolutely right.
>>38829312
Why would anyone want to work if they know they'll always be poor and miserable regardless of how much effort they put in? The socialist system has failed enough times because of this.
>>38829465
>Why would anyone want to work if they know they'll always be poor and miserable regardless of how much effort they put in? The socialist system has failed enough times because of this.
>The same countries that saw a massive spike in their standard of living, lead the way in scientific advancement, and even gave the US a run for it's money is a "failure"
100% jewish
just like every other commiekike
Until based stalin purged them and blamed it on Hitler
>>38829502
>goes bankrupt competing with 5% of the GDP
>infrastructure can't even afford factories big enough to build the rocket engine required to send people to the moon
>just got a bit lucky in the beginning using nazi scientists because centralised government starved it's people for dick waving
I take great solace in knowing every commiekike leftpolcuck on 4chan would have moved to eastern Germany and instantly regret it back in the 60s and 50s
>>38829502
As far as I can see, the standard of living has drastically improved in post soviet nations since the fall of the wall. I'll admit, their space program was nice but it wasn't worth having to wait in line to buy toilet paper and getting assigned forced labor for protesting against the system. Saying the Soviet Union gave the US a run for its money is laughable. Don't go throwing praise at a fuckfaced system that ruined every aspect of life for its people.
>t. Czech-born proud permanent resident of the US
>>38828942
>On top of these cattle would sit the Jews
Communism is supposed to be classless, you're thinking of marxism-leninism/stalinism. Ironically enough the Soviet Union was the most anti-semitic country during its existence.
>>38829648
>having to wait in line to buy toilet paper and getting assigned forced labor for protesting against the system
How is that any different than living in the US? I guess you can buy TP from amazon now but you still gotta wait.
>>38829576
>>just got a bit lucky in the beginning using nazi scientists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun
>was a German, later American, aerospace engineer[3] and space architect credited with inventing the V-2 rocket for Nazi Germany and the Saturn V for the United States.[4][5] He was the leading figure in the development of rocket technology in Germany and the father of rocket technology and space science in the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev
>worked as the lead Soviet rocket engineer and spacecraft designer during the Space Race between the United States and the Soviet Union in the 1950s and 1960s. He is considered by many as the father of practical astronautics.[4][5]He was involved in the development of the R-7 Booster Rocket, Sputnik, and launching Laika and the first human being into space.[6]
I'm sorry, but the irony was too strong to not point out.
>>38829576
Ah yes, the same country that was "starving" it's people (even though famines came to end in the Soviet Union because of Stalin's industrialization policies) were putting the first satellites in space, the first probes and rovers on the moon, and were competing with the rest of the world trying to kill them failed. What a failure that Russia went from a backwards peasant country to an industrial, nuclear superpower in only 30 years.
>>38829648
The collapse of the eastern bloc saw mass declines in GDP, increases in prostitution, drug use, and suicides. Funny enough, Eastern bloc growth and life expectancy only began to stagnate when market reforms were implemented.
>>38829465
In a capitalist system I am also poor and miserable. With socialism the government at least helps you get up with social programs.
>>38829312
(1)
"Look over there comrade there's a man who has started a bussiness from the ground up who has spent countless days and nights putting blood, sweat and tears into his bussiness so he can enjoy the fruits of his hard earned labour."
"We must follow the orders of commisar (((goldstein))) kill this oppressive bougesiorse and seize the means of production so that vlad the drunk who always turns up to the factory late drunk, passes out during his work hours, often makes stuff wrong and sneaks off to the bar at lunch to turn up 3 hours later just in time to sign out can be treated as an equal!"
Theres alot i can agree with you commies on in regards to social justice for workers against the oppresive capitalist sytem and doing something about the banking cartels of international finance usury but then you have the audacity to say "commies arent lazy and dont want free shit."
>>38829810
>but then you have the audacity to say "commies arent lazy and dont want free shit."
The Communists have been the ones to crush the lazy capitalists and liquidate parasitical groups such as the kulaks. The whole point is that the producers of society, the workers, are the ones who get what they produced. The non-working bourgeois class will be killed off.
>>38829810
Under capitalism that man's business will either go bankrupt or be consumed by a larger entity and eventually liquidated anyway when the inevitable crisis happens. The state pumping money in with cheap debt can only postpone the inevitable for so long.
>>38829795
Nobody should be forced to help you because you're a lazy retard who can't support himself.
>>38829727
It's different because you wait for the item to be shipped, not because there's a nationwide toilet paper shortage. Please read up on life in the Soviet Union before you post again.
>>38829312
(2)
Instead Take some words of wisdom from this...
"Our social welfare system is so much more than just charity. Because we do not say to the rich people: Please, give something to the poor. Instead we say: German people, help yourself! Everyone must help, whether you are rich or poor! Everyone mut have the belief that there's always someone in a much worse situation than I am, and this person I want to help as a comrade. "
Now can you tell me what is wrong with such a sytem like that its genuine true equality that unites the classes together as one for the greater good, he's not saying poor rob from the rich but simply help yourselves through your own hard work and labour, and that every one regardless of class needs to help out there comrades even if they are poor themselves as their will always be some one worse of than you in need of a helping hand as it is the morally right thing to do.
>>38829998
>its genuine true equality that unites the classes together as one for the greater good,
>Class collaboration
Go back to the mansion you came from, porky.
>>38830042
the reason why class collaboration would work is because there are no more classes
>>38829998
>it is the morally right thing to do
I don't care, it's economically retarded. Everyone is poor under socialism.except the government officials, they live like kings
>>38830069
Wat.
The capitalist mode of production still exists, anon. There is still a State. There are still distinct relations relative to the means of production.
Why do just a few jews get to own all the businesses and land. Shit's gay.
>>38830106
except that of course but they are still chosen by democratic voting so its ok
its better trust me
i think
according to the marxist, if i spend 1000 hours building a car which does not work, it should be sold for a high amount since value is inextricably linked to labour. of course in reality labour and value have no connection whatsoever and value is entirely subjective.
>>38829655
almost all of the founders of the USSR and the leadership were jews
>>38829875
>>>38829810
>>The non-working bourgeois class will be killed off.
Im not denying that under a capitalist sytem that there are vermin who treat others like cattle who deserve to be chaced out espically the jews in usury who make money simply sitting on their arse all day and dont even run a bussiness like (((jacob schiff))) the wall street banker who funded leon trotsky and the 1917 revolution or should i say leon (((brohnstein)))?
But to say that that factotry owners who work long hard stresful shifts treat there workers fairly by giving them good working conditons and a decent wage should be killed simply based on the fact that they earn more for doing a more skilled, stressful and job that say a steel worker is a steel worker with less responsiblity and education is ludicrous.
>>38830170
The USSR had elections too.
Elections do not matter. Especially ones in which your only options come from the ruling class. Unless you also want to brag that the revisionist North Korea is also fair, as they have elections too.
>>38829983
It was a joke. You're Czech, I'm Russian and I also live in the US. I won't deny that life in the Soviet Union was shit. What happened to the glorious free market economies of the west, what we live in today, is even worse. The numbers of people who are aware of how farcical and stagnant the world they inhabit has become grows by the day. History is doomed to repeat itself, only this time there will be no 'west' to escape to. The west itself rotted out and there is nothing to replace it.
>>38830220
Elections in the USSR and its constituent states were just a way to spot dissidents. Those who voted against the Communist Party risked being given unpaid overtime, getting demoted from their position, or even fired and forced to do menial labor like sweeping streets.
>>38830220
>ruling class
nothing stopped a janitors son from entering political parties and working his way up until he had a chance
>>38830210
>But to say that that factotry owners who work long hard stresful shifts treat there workers fairly by giving them good working conditons and a decent wage should be killed simply based on the fact that they earn more for doing a more skilled, stressful and job that say a steel worker is a steel worker with less responsiblity and education is ludicrous.
Marxists want to kill them off not for some petty idealistic reason like "right" and "wrong". Marxists reject idealism and utopianism. Only raw materialism and a ruthless criticism for all that exists.
These factory owners will be killed as they will inevitably stand for the status quo liberal state and stand against the workers, and will use violence to crush dissent. In short, we are simply fighting back.
>>38828497
>free stuff
I'm not even a leftist of any kind but Christ, learn what communism is before you talk shit about it
>>38830258
Actually in the Soviet elections, many of the people that ran weren't even apart of the Communist Party.
In the 1936 election, 273 seats won were won by independents, not apart of the ruling vanguard party. Your claim falls apart.
>>38830280
The ruling class is not determined by simply who is given the spot light in the state. The state will always serve the ruling class, the class that owns and controls the means of production.
>>38829923
I am neither lazy, nor I can't support myself. I deserve more money and respect than from what I am getting. My ass should be helped, because in the end we are all in the same system.
>>38829465
Marx's socialism was never implemented in a country. The same goes for true communism
Marx's socialism is the Scientific Socialism which provides ways to achieve it and maintain a successful ideology.
The socialism that failed is the Utopic Socialism which is just an idea with no solid actual socialeconomic facts to lead and doesn't show how to achieve, so basically it just exists.
>>38828755
>Being a writer or political theorist or leading the international ain't work
>says the professional shitposter who lives off welfare
Like why do we all got to work all the time when we got robots anyways
Sitting on my ass doesn't hurt no one when we got a surplus of stuff. Why do we flush all our food down the toilet anywaysstop virtue signaling lol
>>38830421
It's because you could be using that free time to instead make more money for porky.
>>38829914
Where do you get the idea I am supporting capitalism from im advocating for National socalism a form of socalism that at the same time upholds the principle of nature, the survival of the fittest so if his bussiness goes bust a stronger more alpha bussiness will dominate the market and replace it, yet at the same time intrest capital is abolished so bussinesses are not being unfairly exploited by having to pay back more on a loan.
Although you may think the idea of monopolisng the market is bad, in national socalism monoplies are part controled and funded by the state to work for the benifit of the nation in the form of new technolgies such as vaccines that will improve the nations income by selling on the market and not to mention improve the quality of life in the nation by helping people overcome diseases that are caught.
>>38830198
Based on what evidence? I find it incredible that people take you seriously after you claim to be able to do psychic DNA tests on people that have been dead almost a century.
>>38830470
>im advocating for National socalism a form of socalism
National Socialism and Fascism both support corporatist economics, more specifically that special interest groups should form that shall give workers representation within industries.
However, private property will still exist, commodity production and wage labor will still exist, and the means of production will still be private owned and used for profit.
In short, corporatism is a variant of capitalism. You support capitalism. Just an illiberal strand of it.
>>38830042
Class colaborstion?
Classes are abolished and replaced with the biological concept of a racial volk community in which every one works towards the benifit of the nation and race, the idea of classes dosent exist, yes you have a darwinian concept of alphas who are more succsesful in life and beta's who are not as sucsesful in life it is the simple natural concept in which materialstic wealth dosent matter but simply how far is someone willing to go to become greater in life.
>>38830678
>Classes are abolished
>Private property is still around
>The State is still around
>Commodity production, wage labor, markets are all still around
>The workers do not own and control the means of production
Nope. Classes still exist. You're simply supporting an illiberal form of capitalism.
>>38830072
This is simply a question of taste in regards to how both of us concider the concept of materialism.
>commies dont care they would rather die equal of starvation than belive in materialism and the idea that making money maters.
>free market capitalists woulnt care if people sufered, only higher profit margins matter.
>National socalists acknowledge that the poor must not be exploited for increaced profit margins, though at the same time gives people the means to help themselves out of poverty, however wouldnt care if lazy unwilling leeches starved despite being offerd the chance for work and bread many times and refused.
>>38830920
Marxists are materialists though. They oppose idealism and stomp on utopianism. It's the material conditions of society that determines what happens.
>>38830507
Don't have the infographic, but something like 90% of card-holders were Jews. Here have another one though.
https://www.marxists.org/subject/frankfurt-school/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319
>>38830522
Your point is?
Im not denying that market orientated idoeolgies are inherently bad, given the right conditions mixed in with a bit of socalism it can be a just but fair sytem.
Now a sytem has to have inequality to some extent or nothing would ever happen socitey would break down and people would be robbed of their enthuasim to excell beyond the stuggle to a greater exisance.
Now with communism you reject that natual order and put a leash on every one so they cant break free from that allocated area to go beyond their potential and make something better of their lives.
>>38831137
>tfw great-grandfather fought in that Revolution against Rosa and her scum, even though he had just fought in the entire world war and was not even from Berlin
>recently read about a school in Berlin called Rosa Luxemburg school
>>38831002
Capitalism and marxism are inherently based upon the concept of materialism.
Mind you marxists will deny this and say they only care about humanitaranism and people which is a pack lies.
Marxists try and explain this, your ideolgy is centered around the concept of wealth distrubution, now surley if you reject materialism and the idea of capital being distrubuted and instead support a socitey based upon "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" that there would be no need for wealth distrubution as capital would be soley based upon labour in exchange for goods almost like a barter economy.
Yet how would you buy bread if everyone was working for the baker in exchange for bread, the baker might not want to swap eggs for bread from when you were working on a chicken farm?
(Hard mode you cant use currency as its a form of capital)
yet for some greedy capitalist pig like reason you feel the need to take from the rich and give money to the poor almost a reverse of the capitalist sytem
Of taking labour from the poor, to give money to the rich!
>>38830198
And? They were all purged as soon as Stalin came to power. The USSR was viciously anti-semitic for the longest part of its existence. Why exactly do you think your post is relevant to my post that you quoted?
>>38831394
What a great thing to know about your long gone relative im sure your proud of him anon.
That despite serving proudly for Germany and the Kaiser on the Battle fields of europe only to have his spirt and will power crushed by being defeated at the hands of another victor.
But despite that he still carried on his patriotic by fighting side by side with his comrades in the Freikcorps, against the jewish led masses of russain invaders and traitors, who managed to put an end to their trechery and restore order to the streets of Germany by executing that judeo bolshevik scumbag and dumping her body on the streets like it was a bag of rubish for birds to peck at
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=0ahUKEwjXovfKlbzVAhUQYlAKHUEBAh0Qxa8BCDUwCQ&usg=AFQjCNF1sHlk2z9QIx28jtvfnGP_UlkifA