>Ugly men have girlfriends/sex >Short men have girlfriends/sex

>>38804246
You're socializing around enough single women

>>38804246
>What is the secret formula that us kissless virgins are missing? Why is it that people with all manner of mental and physical problems can be proven to be successful with women, but there is a subset of us that never are? What are we doing wrong?
I'm not sure but I find it easier to just blame the jews

>>38804271
>Implying I don't

I go to college and am around women daily. And yes, I pay attention to my appearance and hygiene.

>>38804271

This basically you have to be around women, go to hobby groups and stuff like that, I went to life drawing classes and qts were everywhere

>>38804286
Are you socializing with them though or just standing near them never talking to them?

>>38804296
>I went to life drawing classes and qts were everywhere

Being around qts doesn't guarantee that anything will happen.

I've been around qts for years ever since I stopped being a shut-in and developed a social life, but I'm too stunted from my teenage years of being bullied and excluded to know what to do with them.

>>38804318
I don't know how to socialise with women. They scare me.

Most women I interact with give off a distinct vibe of "I don't care about your existence" and I can't tell if I'm imagining it or not.

>>38804246
[you're effeminate]spoiler[/you're effeminate]

>>38804333

You have to talk to them and make then laugh

>>38804358
Except I've met effeminate men who have girlfriends and have sex, too.

>>38804372
How do you make women laugh? This is a lesson that was not taught to me.

>>38804355
You just talk to them and tell jokes and regular stuff like that and then sometimes one will like you

>>38804246
In my case, I just assume that no woman is interested in me because if they were, I would know. I've never once tried to flirt or ask a girl out. I just assume it's a no and just go about my own business. Now I'm reaching the age where it's impossible for guys like me to meet a woman who would take someone like me and if she did, she'd have baggage like kids or a whore past. I've basically given up. Guys like me weren't meant to have happy lives.

>>38804392

Wikihow says this, I green texted the most important point for 4channers:

Tease her nicely. Be playful and cheerful. More
Practice jokes ahead of time, but allow room for spontaneity.
Make use of your body language.
>Avoid controversial, bitterly sarcastic, or inappropriate jokes.
Relax, don't pressure yourself, and keep it natural.

>>38804396
You might as well be telling me to speak Mandarin to them, Anon. This is a language I simply do not understand.

How did all the ugly/shy/depressed men with GFs/sexual experiences learn how to attract women? Who taught them?

>>38804460

Basically don't be too serious, treat everything lightly and make fun of yourself but not in a way that makes you sound pathetic

>>38804438
>Tease her nicely. Be playful and cheerful
I am too unnatural to do this, really. I believe I have a phobia of women. I am far too uneasy and paranoid around women to be able to joke or tease them in a natural manner. Every time I've tried it I can just tell that it comes across as the most awkward and forced thing ever.

>Make use of your body language.
I try to do this, but I have been told by some female friends/acquaintances that I come across as grumpy and rude no matter what I do. Some girls have told me that they think I hate them, even though I have tried my absolute hardest during every interaction to be nice, friendly, and maybe even flirty (to an extent that I can manage). For whatever reason I just can't project anything other than uneasiness and discomfort.

>Relax, don't pressure yourself, and keep it natural.
Impossible. This is like asking a man to relax in front of a savage, frothing, man-eating lion.

luck, that's it. you can increase your chances by interqcting with more women, but it all comes down to being at the right place at the right time so you can find one who will look past your major flaws.

>>38804460
Can you make guys laugh? If some dude starts talking to you about video games can you tell jokes and make him laugh?

>>38804681
>talking to you about video games
I'm not super into video games. Just so you know. If you met me IRL you'd presume I was a normie.

>Can you make guys laugh?
Yes, generally. I've been told by other guys that I'm funny. I'm not scared of other men though. I AM scared of women.

>>38804372
this you need to be a good little pet dancing monkey entertainer so put on your clown shoes and make them laugh.

>>38804823
Try to get a bigger group than 1 on 1 with a girl and then address your jokes and personality to the guys. Like be in a group of people that includes girls and then just tell jokes to the guys and if guys laugh then the girls will too. You can let your personality show to girls second hand that way if there's a group going.

>>38804862
>Like be in a group of people that includes girls and then just tell jokes to the guys and if guys laugh then the girls will too

I THINK I have successfully pulled this off before. I can't remember clearly. But I think some girls have laughed at my jokes in that kind of situation in the past.

My point is, none of this helps. I could be making a girl laugh every 5 seconds and I still wouldn't manage to even kiss one because I'm too scared to do anything. I need therapy for my severe phobia of women and physical contact because it is so overpowering that I would never be able to conquer it in the moment. Unfortunately there are no therapists that would know what to say to a guy who claims he's "afraid of women".

>>38804914
Are you having a laugh right now? Anxiety about the opposite sex is like the oldest most common anxiety in the world

>>38805012
It's not just anxiety. It's a full-on phobia.

I've had women do everything to initiate short of literally forcing themselves on me in the past and I've still not been able to make even the smallest move because it's the most terrifying thing in the world in my mind.

When I'm in a club/at a party and I see a girl shooting looks at me like she wants me to approach, I literally speedwalk/run away because I am terrified that I will fuck it up.

Being around women makes me incredibly uncomfortable. It's an involuntary mental/bodily reaction. There is nothing I can do about it. It's like if someone was scared of dogs or spiders. When I am standing/sitting close to a woman, everything in my body is telling me "FUCKING RUN".

>>38804246
social darwinism working it's course. Die Robut.

>>38805096
>There is nothing I can do about it. It's like if someone was scared of dogs or spiders
people who are afraid of dogs and want to get over that fear do it all the time. Totally something you can do about it, it's just not easy.

Do you have any friends who have gfs? your friends gf is usually the easiest girl to talk to in my experience

>>38805168
>Do you have any friends who have gfs?
I have a few. Most of their GFs don't hang out with us though as they have completely different social circles, so I never see them. Friends' GF's have a tendency to be very indifferent to me, though, and usually give off a vibe that they dislike me.

>>38805209
>Friends' GF's have a tendency to be very indifferent to me, though,
that's good. They probably are indifferent to you. That means no pressure and you can talk to them and get used to talking to girls. Baby steps

>>38804681
>If some dude starts talking to you about video games can you tell jokes and make him laugh?

I literally can't.

>>38805229
The thing is, I just don't think this will work.

I've had female acquaintances and a couple female friends for years. It hasn't made me any easier around women who I don't know. There are a handful of women I am generally comfortable being around, but that's only because I'm used to THEM as people, not because they've made me used to being around girls as a whole.

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>>38804246
You know what the sad, brute truth of it is, OP? You really want to know the secret behind why ugly, short, fat, shy, depressed, autistic, and literally retarded men are having sex? The secret formula? Why you're still a virgin?

It's luck. That's fucking it.

You can increase your chances by socializing with more people, you can increase your chances by being very hygienic and working out so you're at least somewhat fit, if you were born with good genetics or money that will increase your chances, and there are things that lower your chances but at the end of the day, what actually determines if you're going to get pussy is luck.

There's a reason why beta manlets (such as myself) are getting laid, while what could be described as Chads aren't. There's a reason why many argue the "height meme" is just that, a meme while others seem to have the main issue be their height. There's a reason for the constant bickering between manlets and lanklets, between fat fucks and skinny betas. Why is it that seemingly everyone from tiny, weaklings to gross obese shitheads and everyone in-between either does have a gf or suffers from >tfw no gf ? That some people that have the worst traits possible are able to still have girlfriends? I mean shit, people who are literally disfigured end up having kids.

It's just luck.

>>38805285
>but that's only because I'm used to THEM as people, not because they've made me used to being around girls as a whole.
and if you get a gf she's going to be a ~them~ that you're comfortable around. I was still nervous around girls as a whole when I had a gf but comfortable around gf

>>38805311
>It's just luck.

In which case I have a massive, gargantuan, disproportionate amount of very bad luck with women.

>>38805320
None of this matters if I can't muster the strength to actually talk to a woman and ask her on a date.

>>38805348
>None of this matters if I can't muster the strength to actually talk to a woman and ask her on a date.
you told me you have female friends and acquaintances so obviously it's not impossible for you to meet and get close to new women.

Before you respond with another excuse, fuck off. I don't care about them, go say your excuses in a mirror or what ever you do. I came to offer advice, I'm not personally invested in this so I don't need to hear your excuse for everything

>>38805311
this.
only girl ive had fucked me the night we met, we dated for a bit and ended up getting married, turns out shes was fucking crazy cause her dad was abusive and shit and then she ended up leaving me after a few rough years.

i didn't do anything different when i met her, i wasnt trying to get laid or anything, i was just drunk and smoking outside of an anime convention, and cigarettes and alcohol make socializing easy as fuck.

i got lucky.

>>38804431
>Guys like me weren't meant to have happy lives.
This Anon gets it.
My brother's roastie whore feminist gf keeps asking me why I don't have a gf.
The answer is
>Because I don't want one and 100% of girls wouldn't be able to tolerate my bullshit for any length of time anyway.
>But whyyyyyyy
Because
Life isn't a Disney movie
There isn't "someone for everyone"
Some people are supposed to be alone. Forever.
Fucking women CAN NOT comprehend this.

instinctially men provide for women, when i comprehended this i got confident around women.

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>>38805489
>i got lucky.

How on earth do you "get lucky"? I just don't understand. You people objectively put less effort into your lives than I do and you still get girls, while I get nothing.

I pay meticulous attention to my hygiene, I keep myself in decent shape, I pay good money for good clothes and enjoy making myself look nice. I am sociable, I attend parties, I have friends, I enjoy life. But apparently all of this means nothing just because I'm not a personality-Chad who can le fugg woman.

I'm nearly at the point of 100% seriously believing there is a God/higher power who has literally just chosen me to be permanently celibate. It is as if the entire world has conspired to make me into a permavirgin, no matter what I do.

>>38805492
>Because I don't want one and 100% of girls wouldn't be able to tolerate my bullshit for any length of time anyway.
well its easier to say that than to explain her my weird mix of mgtow and guenons philosophy

>>38804246

Having self pity is what's wrong. If you truly want to change your life, you can

>>38804355
Then what you are missing is that you aren't trying as you are letting fear control you.

>>38805533
i think you need to push your luck by leavin the house first

>>38805550
My personal bullshit is this. Get this Anon. Get how radical this is.
>I want to be left alone sometimes for a day or two. I can still message you or whatever but I just want to be alone.
Yet again another thing women can't tolerate. I've had girls scream in my face and then go around telling other people what an asshole I am.
>Spend every evening with her after work.
>Want to spend Saturday by myself just being lazy.
>FUCK YOU ANON WHAT THE FUCK YOU LITERAL PSYCHO!?!?

>>38804246
YOU ARE A MARKED ONE. YOU CAN FEEL IT TOO CAN'T YOU? WE BEAR THE MARK OF SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN DETECT AND THEREFORE REJECT. I DO NOT KNOW WHY OTHERS LIKE ME ARE GOING THROUGH THIS BUT I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THIS IS !!!PLANNED!!!

>>38804246
It's the confidence meme.
I've never been self conscious growing up, and never knew I had reasons to. Mama taught me how to treat women and how being nice gets your good girls.

Never had issues dating and found my soulmate young. Now that I get on here I'm immune to the bait cuz it's just not true. Now faking confidence is hard especially if you have the mind set that your body or personality is unattractive. And if you want to get in better shape and that makes you more confident then do it. But it's really about just talking to a woman as if you're just talking to a dude, but you can be a little more flirty and bubbly. And don't be afraid to go for the question. If you want an easy first date then ask her to movie and dinner and do the movie first so you have something to talk about over dinner. Then if she is a close talker or you've notice she has been in your personal bubble all night , go ahead and go in for the kiss. Also make a move during the movie, something simple like a hand hold or arm over the shoulder so that there isn't a miscommunication of interest

>>38805689
>YOU ARE A MARKED ONE.
THIS IT FEELS LIKE THIS EXACTLY I NEVER MET ANYONE WHO DESCRIBED IT AS THIS BEFORE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS IS FUCK

>>38805650
This is true. But you don't understand how deep-rooted and overwhelming that fear is.

>>38805663
Are you fucking me about? I leave the house most days of the week. When I'm at college I am out and socialising every single day in some capacity.

>>38805704
BROTHER, THEY DO NOT WANT US TO SUCCEED, THEY DO NOT WANT US TO BREED, THEY DO NOT WANT US TO EVEN BREATHE. I DO NOT KNOW WHO, WHAT OR WHERE BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY DO NOT WANT US HERE

>>38805096
>When I'm in a club/at a party and I see a girl shooting looks at me like she wants me to approach, I literally speedwalk/run away because I am terrified that I will fuck it up.
Get some brews down you first then mate.

>>38805732
DID YOU HAVE A NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE AT SOME POINT ANON I HAVE OFTEN THOUGHT THAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO DIE AS A CHILD AND SOMEHOW I DIDN'T WHICH PUT ME BETWEEN THE LIVING AND DEAD
DESPITE BEING OVER 6' AND 200LBS I CAN WALK WITHOUT MAKING A NOISE
PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE ME IN ROOMS
NO ONE IS COMFORTABLE TALKING TO ME EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT AWKWARD OR AUTISTIC

WHAT IS THIS PUNISHMENT

>>38804246
>not ugly enough to attract the super ugly girls
>not short enough to attract the ugly dwarf girls
>not fat enough to attract the ugly fat girls
>not autistic enough to attract the ugly shy girls
>not manipulative enough to attract the autistic girls
>not retarded enough to attract the retarded girls
Are we literally the biggest losers?

>>38805689
>>38805704
>WE BEAR THE MARK OF SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN DETECT AND THEREFORE REJECT

That is literally just body odor.

>>38805785
>Get some brews down you first then mate.

Okay, now you're definitely fucking with me.

I drink every time I go out. I drink regularly. It makes me funnier and louder, but it doesn't do ANYTHING to lessen my great fear of women.

>>38805533
>You people objectively put less effort into your lives than I do and you still get girls, while I get nothing.
>I pay meticulous attention to my hygiene, I keep myself in decent shape, I pay good money for good clothes and enjoy making myself look nice. I am sociable, I attend parties, I have friends, I enjoy life. But apparently all of this means nothing just because I'm not a personality-Chad who can le fugg woman.
It's because of luck, or in your case the lack of it. Not some bullshit higher power, it's simply the material conditions of your existence. You simply weren't and aren't lucky.

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>>38804284
Oi goy dont involve us in this

>>38805884
How is it humanly possible for me to be SO unlucky? This, in my mind, is not something that is possible without supernatural intervention.

I can't be so impossibly unlucky that NOTHING will make me more attractive to women. It can't be possible that I, as a normal-looking dude who enjoys dressing nice and enjoys socialising, can be so IMPOSSIBLY unattractive to girls that not a single one will entertain going on a date with me or even kissing me.

Either there is a conspiracy, or I'm just not trying hard enough. And I try VERY, VERY hard. I do everything short of actually asking the girls out.

>>38805709
>When I'm at college I am out and socialising every single day in some capacity
As a fellow collegefag can you tell me how? I want an excuse to leave my dorm room but the best I can come up with is taking some walks around campus and then coming right back to my room. I don't know how to meet people.

>>38804284
The jews as partly to blame for this indeed, but you'll have an easier time listing the areas of life they haven't fucked with for tribal gain than the ones they have.

Women's liberation fucked the bottom percentiles of men, there is no denying this.

>>38806011
If you don't already have friends, you're going to have to force yourself. It will probably be very awkward and obtuse. But it'll be the only way.

I got over my friendless shut-in phase when I was 16, so by the time I got to college I already had a social circle back home and I naturally wanted to make friends when I first got to my uni. The first few weeks are THE most ideal time to make friends, but it sounds like you didn't take full advantage of that, so you'll have to do something different.

I'd advise joining groups on campus of some kind. You need to find a hobby that you can get involved with. I'm really into acting and debating, so I joined those societies at my college and made more friends through that. And, no, playing video games is not a suitable hobby. Nor is watching anime.

>>38804372
I can make audiences of dozens and even hundreds laugh, I have no problem joking around other guys or even mixrd gender groups, but I can't hold a 1v1 conversation with a woman for more than a minute or two. There just isn't anything to talk about.

>>38806069
I do have a social circle at college but they are basically all male and they don't like to socialize with others much either. I was in one club my freshman year but it was project based so it wasn't really good for making friends. I guess I should try some more lighthearted ones.

>>38804246
What helped me socialize with girls was distanfing from my parents. Haven't lostbmy virginity, but I found a lot of new friends and my view on women changed.

>>38804246
trancendency calls for you and you and you want to bottom feed on used good whores? pathetic.

>>38804246
>Ugly men have girlfriends/sex

This is not true. 80/20 rule.

>>38806434
Nah, shut it mate. I've seen with my own two eyes PLENTY of ugly and below-average guys with girlfriends or who regularly have sex.

>>38806434
80/20 rule only really applies to tinder or casual sex in general.

>>38804431
Anon are you late twenties? I'm late twenties and I've been finding this. While there's quite a few things I have going for me, facial looks isn't one of them, and I'm just over 29.5 in age now. All the better women are coupled up and the single ones are broken goods - who still don't want me anyway (not that I'd want them).

>>38804431
>Mentally ill, literally sub 80 IQ retarded guys like me weren't meant to have happy lives when happiness is based on having some broad around me all day

Life is so mysterious sometimes.

>>38806434
I'm definitely ugly and I've had so much sex I got tired of it.

>>38804372
Women laugh on jokes of men whom they already like. If a girl smiles your can roll her pussy, but if she's not, you've already lost the chance.

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>>38804246
>omw back home just now
>it's 23:30
>see beautiful asian girl in this really pretty, elegant outfit
>reinforced my yellow fever and hatred for women of my own nation
I wish they weren't such an isolated community, they only seem to date other azns, not that a kissless virgin like me would have a shot anyway

>>38806464
Then why do robots have so many problems?

>>38805348
>In which case I have a massive, gargantuan, disproportionate amount of very bad luck with women.
how many times have you actually tried to get a gf?

>>38807154
>Implying robots are all ugly

Robots are socially awkward/awkward with women and that is the sole reason they don't get girls.

You could be 3/10 and as long as you have a Chad-tier personality you'll get girls in some capacity.

>>38807197
>how many times have you actually tried to get a gf?

I've never asked a girl out, no. Because I have no idea how I would even begin to do it.

I can just tell that they would say no, also. Despite how much effort I put into my appearance. Despite how much effort I put into socialising and being a well-adjusted guy. For whatever reason, I'm just "different" to other men. I don't have that magical ethereal quality that makes me attractive to girls. I feel like they just do not view me as a sexual being, for whatever reason.

there's just one girl who talks to me for some reason and i'm tempted to ask her out but she's egyptian and i'm slavic and too far gone on the /pol/ white genocide stuff

but no white woman is ever going to give me a shot again

is betraying your values worth avoiding a life of loneliness?

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>>38805533
I feel exactly like you.
I put so much effort in my life. I'm going to university to get a degree and have a stable career and income in the end. I keep myself fit since highschool. I take care about my hygiene, I try to look nice every goddamn day. I try to be nice to every person I see or talk to. I have friends I try to go to parties with whenever I get some free time. And yet, no fucking woman ever that knew me, interacted with me or whatever the fuck, seemed to be interested in me the slightest.
I agree that I may have a autistic personality that only comes out when I know the people better. I also may say things sometimes, that make me look stupid. But I don't let those get to me.

Meanwhile I see people with worse personalities than mine have gf's or having women interested in them.

I just never understood. I just accepted the fact that there really ARE people destined to never have a gf or wife. And apparently I've had the bad luck of being on of them. I just feel sorry for my dad who really expects grandchildren from me. Sorry dad, I tried, but it seems god doesn't want me to.

>>38805533

Not him, but I'm someone else who got (REALLY) lucky. You know those "ideal mate" threads that spill over here from /soc/ from time to time? A few years ago a femanon posted: "Any height, any build that isn't dangerously unhealthy, and like light bondage". That was it. I decided to say "Fuck it, maybe something nice will happen", and we exchanged contact info. Then as we talked it turned out we actually had a lot in common and had a lot of the same interests. We've been in a relationship for over a year now.

This is all despite me being 5'7, balding, and a diagnosed autist. It was pure luck.