Psychological Issues #107

Psychological Issues Thread Regulars

1. Nick !!fj+6JtTXdtt
2. Dan !!PN2b+OY1wIv
3. Facet !AhnkjmgKCA
4. metapsych !a/rF/lI3WM
5. Winter Coat !!Hk4v4zKE1XV
6. Mac II !!6lVQFpZ/l1n
7. Zeno !!fyiIl19MUvj
8. Medman !!Sooz56wUGqu
9. attenuated !!oXJDpK2abs7
10. Charlie !!g+ifZJDNiIY
11. Tanny !!8uqjvCcoSkX
12. Mac !!zyvLbPc8BEP
13. Atlas !YiwP2pBVzo
14. checkers !!AWl2YAu3pjs
15. hurtbro !!NctRL2wsiyk
16. Ziggy !fJMyvXO.mA

1 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35498409/
2 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35521806/
3 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35541735/
4 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35547290/
5 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35567230/
6 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35668421/
7 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35689780/
8 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35716442/
9 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35740738/
10 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35763440/
11 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35777773/
12 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35803625/
13 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35835561/
14 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35855848/
15 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35876435/
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18 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35926221/
19 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35945942/
20 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35971403/
21 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/35994443/
22 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36019645/
23 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36040635/
24 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36089774/
25 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36093480/
26 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36108068/
26 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36132647/
27 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36158561/
28 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36183284/
29 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36210653/
30 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36244000/

When numbers appear twice, I merely misnumbered. It happened a few times.

31 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36259571/
32 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36284773/
33 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36294613/
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38 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36394647/
39 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36414900/
Bar Session - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36425918/
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47 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36620323/
Bar Session - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36644294/
48 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36664702/
49 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36697612/
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52 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36773599/
53 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36794358/
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55 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36842342/
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Here's some more:
61 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/36987179/
62 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37015031/
63 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37040728/
64 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37085943/
65 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37105759/
66 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37130800/
Psychological Support - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37154739/
Psychological Support - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37171552/
67 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37198958/
68 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37220653/
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70 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37270112/
71 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37558329/
72 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37583554/
73 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37600377/
74 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37706039/
74 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37640621/
75 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37729443/
76 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37824755/
77 / https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/37849700/
78 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38014184/
79 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38035776/
80 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38056924/
81 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38082378/
82 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38099205/
83 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38122695/
84 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38153894/
85 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38176228/
86 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38192581/
87 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38212902/
88 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38230437/
89 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38234076/
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And here's the rest:

91 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38279739/
92 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38297476/
93 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38320670/
94 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38345791/
95 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38365231/
96 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38393163/
97 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38407284/
98 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38430676/
99 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38454230/
100 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38474702/
101 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38501148/
102 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38519081/
103 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38542384/
104 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38569686/
105 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38593312/
106 - https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/38619409/

Wow these threads are starting really early now, hopefully EU schedule > NA schedule

Hey Nick, sorry to hear you weren't feeling that great at the end of the last thread. Also, wasn't last thread 107?

Here 'early' for once, hope you're feeling better Nick.

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>>38658329

I could start "earlier" but I'm not sure it means anything, since we're a worldwide bunch.

>>38658330
>Also, wasn't last thread 107?

It's very likely. I never remember what number we're on. I have to check the archives every time. Thread #107 AGAIN!

>>38658340

I'm less shocked but I don't feel better. I've decided to starve. Haven't eaten much yesterday and have no appetite today.

I'm most likely going to be a shithead today. I'll do my best.

>>38658380
Any Nick- as long as it's the real Nick is good enough tbqh

And yeah, last thread was the 107 as well.

>>38658380
Not the biggest of deals luckily, I know how easy it is to mess up counting. When I would do my Doom videos, I often would realize I skipped a number or posted a number twice only after weeks had gone by since it had been up.

>>38658434

Let's try to do some work before I fucking jump out the window.

Coats, I reread the past thread this morning. There was a tonload to read, and I'm glad I did.

You mentioned having BPD, which surprised me a lot, and even more surprising, you mentioned having a female entity in you.

This sounds a whole lot like DID, what Facet has, and he also has a female inside him. She takes over sometimes and I have talked to her a few times.

Is your inner girl something like that? Do you have other alters?

BPD doesn't have to do with alters (that's DID); the "multiple personalities" are called "alters", or "others".

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Hey guys
For how long was the thread alive yesterday?
I checked in the morning and it seems like you guys dont sleep at all

Also noone told me good night yesterday when I was leaving

Hey boyos not doing my best today but what's new.

The other bit I had to share was for Dan. Reading your conversation with him, when you asked him why he didn't just accept being inferior. I believe Dan doesn't truly believe himself to be inferior, precisely, and that he's slighted somehow, that he doesn't get what he deserves, unfairly. If he was coherent with his beliefs, he would be a happy man, because he'd get exactly what he deserves, based on his "genetics" and the rest, but that's not how it goes. Dan is furious, and he is furious because injustice is at work, in his opinion. That's why he can't just observe, come to conclusions, and work with that, because he doesn't actually accept the reality he forces himself to see. It's tragic because reality isn't what he tries to feed himself. If he could only see that, he would progress a lot. Dan needs to remove himself from his own eyes so he can see clearly.

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>>38658584
Good night Atlas. Looks like the cholesterol has finally got the better of you, huh?

>>38658584

Past 6 am. I started checking around 8. I don't sleep much nowadays. No food, no sleep, I hope to disappear into thin air before the end of August.

> laying in bed nit falling asleep
> rain starts building up into a just-perfect noise level
> can hear the ambient sounds from the cargo train passing by
I feel like it's supposed to be /comfy/

>>38658613
Have you ever tried Rainymood?

>>38658587

Do tell.

I'm surprised to find so many people so quickly today. I'm usually alone for an hour or so.

>>38658644
Never even heard of it. The rain only inhibits my night-time outdoor activities, which sucks.

I tried Nandos for the first time today, was pleasently suprised.

>>38658584

I don't remember if I was there or not. Sometimes I don't because I assume that the person is already gone.

I'm sorry if I was there and didn't wish you a good night. It doesn't mean I don't like you.

>>38658700
Just feeling a little paranoid. I'm alone. I've decided to just starve for a few days. Wondering about whether or not to use sugar in my tea or not.

>>38658736
>I've decided to just starve for a few days.

Have you read my posts? Uncanny.

>>38658747
I did, in fact. The timing is strange, yes.

>>38658726
You finished with your emails a while before that. After I asked about my favourite poem

I should make my post more colorful or something, lots of times people dont reply to me at all

>>38658563
The best way to describe this is to say both identities are with me at all times, we know each other's experiences. It isn't like how I have seen on TV where they are living completely different lives, it is more like we peruse the same information, yet process it in different ways.

The female identity is quite weird to talk about. If you read all of the last thread, you will have known I did play some adult games to make my waifu. As I made her more and more, I wished to enhance her realism. I think a turning point was that breakdown with Morrowind, I mostly played as her and started to roleplay as her. Then I had my breakdown and stopped touching Morrowind.

Somehow rping as my waifu messed me up. It wasn't exactly clear what was going on at first, as I said she doesn't exactly like to identify as any human, and she doesn't act at all like I imagined her to. She is not an ideal gf, but more of a cynical apathetic machine. Yet somehow it is the same identity, now inward.

When I look in mirrors, she is there. She has made me smile while I have had no reason why I am smiling. Her presence can be felt usually by a chill from no known source. Usually she is just content to watch, she doesn't care about much, but she can decide to take over my body sometimes. It is like a literal Hyde transformation, I can feel like I am shifting somehow.

As her, I still am aware of what I am doing. But it is like my normal personality has no control. Imagine being a prisoner and having to watch, almost third person, as another personality of you hurts others. I have screamed in my head at her to stop hurting close friends, yet as her I can still be me. It is like my entire mindset changed, my entire personality, yet I am stuck inside myself as well. If we communicate, it is on a subliminal level, it isn't blatant voices talking to each other. She makes me look quite optimistic.

As I said, it is uncommon for her to come out, more than likely due to apathy or plotting.

>>38658792

Oh yeah, I remember that. You should ask questions. Sometimes, when people only post statements, we read, but don't always think you expect a response.

>>38658800
>but she can decide to take over my body sometimes. It is like a literal Hyde transformation, I can feel like I am shifting somehow.

This is exactly like the DID I know. Just to be sure, you experience her as another mode of consciousness, right? It's just not just you imagining her?
>As her, I still am aware of what I am doing. But it is like my normal personality has no control. Imagine being a prisoner and having to watch, almost third person, as another personality of you hurts others.

Yeah, it sounds a lot like what Facet has.

When did she first arrive and are there any others?

And have you fucked around with the occult?

>>38658901
I dont know what to ask, I just want to chat with someone
And as I said before, I have problems with being scared that people hate me
So if people dont respond I usually feel like Im not wanted and leave

Pretty much the reason why I havent been here most of the time in past few days/weeks

>>38658960

Well, you're in luck. I've been meaning to talk to you more because I realise I don't know you. Apart from the daily Atlas bullying, I have nothing in memory about you, and since you never talk to me much, I mostly felt like you didn't want to be bothered, so I left you alone for that reason, not because I hated you. More like I wasn't sure you were interested in talking to me, so I left you alone.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy: you're scared that people hate you and the result becomes that they indeed avoid you, but not for the reasons you think.

What are your symptoms/issues again?

>>38658563
I should also mention she seems calculating. She isn't unintelligent. She doesn't come out when I am around others in RL, so it is a trait you wouldn't even know I have. Most of the time she can be harmless, just sitting there in depression. She doesn't like to do much, unlike me she is not the most talkative, she is heavily introverted.

If I had to say a time she likes to come out, it is when I am heavily depressed. Say I think about death too much or some other misery, I will often spiral in circles, I am terrible at letting things go and so it gets worse and worse. At some point I break down and she takes over. She generally seems content to watch when I am happier. Lately life has been looking up for me, so she is quite a rarity, but she does exist and she is sure to remind me of this with grins in mirrors with some weird chill.

That is my only other personality. I thought BPD had that issue, I remember some anons in the past saying they had this issue. I couldn't understand it at all, it is nothing like your usual split-personality. It is easier to manage than that, but I have to avoid depression. Needless to say, it works counter to my OCD. I let myself get more anxious by fighting my OCD, she comes out more often.

It has been a slow process to find out as much as I know about her, odd to say about someone in my head. It took time for me to realize it was the same woman from my RP.

Amazing Facet has this. This is one of those things I find hard to try to talk about, as I said last time I just assume people will think I am a tranny or trying to be a female. How do you explain you have a female identity in your head that you can therefore identify with but yet at the same time not wish to be a female? How do you explain that you often play her in games that allow the choice of gender because somehow it is easier to identify with that part than a male in a virtual world?

>>38658584
How do you even say you identify as a female while not being a female and yet can make her into a sexual toy at times only to break down because it feels like you are just making a fetish out of yourself? How do you see her sexually, but then see her as yourself, and have respect for her?

From what I know, my female side doesn't really approve of my hyper-sexuality and especially not seeing her in such a lewd manner. She actually gets pretty resentful about all of that.

>>38659011
>At some point I break down and she takes over
The breakdown trigger is familiar. For me, it's usually when I'm drunk or extremely stressed or otherwise emotional. For me, there are three though the female is the most common. As others will attest, they and especially her have spoken here several times and, I believe, over the phone to two posters, one being Nick.

I absolutely know what you mean about the gender issue, and it was a bone of contention for some time. I don't tend to play her in vidya though. I only know her to like one game: Splatterhouse for PS3.

>>38659048
Mine is fairly hypersexual, I think. Takes after my mother in that regard. She was never a waifu or anything like that though. She's got us into some dangerous situations in the past. You might want to watch Filth. There again, you might not. It triggered the fuck out of me, and it might for you too.

>>38659011
>. At some point I break down and she takes over.

The ones I know also tend to come over as defenders of the primary personality.

Do you connect this to Buddha Buddha your imaginary invisible dragon whose name is not exactly that but I can't remember?

>>38659011
>I thought BPD had that issue, I remember some anons in the past saying they had this issue.

Facet has both, but all other BPD's I know don't have that. It's strictly a DID issue.

>>38659011
>it is nothing like your usual split-personality.

Can you define that? Because if you mean films, they're not usual DID at all.

Is there anything else that makes you think of BPD? Because for the moment, I see no symptoms of that.

What's her name?

>>38659083
I watched Filth just the over night and I liked it, not sure how accurate it is though.

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ITT: Dan and Coats find out they have similar warped belief systems about the world; bees and Chads.

Meta and Coats find out they have similar OCD.

Facet and Coats both have other personalities in them.

>Coats

COATS IS THE KEY TO EVERYTHING!

>>38659113
Well some parts of it definitely resonated and it was uncomfortable enough to watch that I had to leave the cinema and take some deep breaths. The effect stayed with me the rest of the day. The odd thing is, I read and enjoyed the book before that and experienced no adverse effects.

>>38658942
>Another mode of consciousness
Exactly. It is like we are two different people. She has her own tastes, her own interests. I wish it was just my imagination, it would mean I could stop myself from hurting people. As I said, I can see it happening and try to fight myself to stop, but I might as well be yelling at a TV screen for all the use I have.

>A lot like what Facet has
Fascinating, even weirder to think it isn't BPD at all.

>When did she first arrive
As I said, she was my virtual waifu in various erotic games. She even had a different name back then. When I started RPing as her, I switched names to make it more "realistic". I don't know when she switched from being a sexy character to RP with to being part of my identity. As I said, it took time to even realize it was her.

>Occult
Closest I have ever done was talk to a Satanist. I never partook in any cults myself.

>>38659083
>I believe, over the phone to two posters, one being Nick.

Yes, she called me "frog scum" and told me to "shush." I almost told you to go fuck yourself but then figured I was now speaking to someone else.

The strangest phone call of my life.

>>38659131
Sucks that it made you feel that way, I might give the book a read.

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>>38659146
Maybe you'll think twice before invading us next time Dumb frogposter

>>38658991
Damn, you not knowing me made me feel real shitty right now considering Ive been here since #68 or something like that

I've been feeling depressed for 2-3 years now, lots of times considered suicide, selfharmed alot. I sometimes have random moments when I cant do anything for a few hours, I just get completely overtaken by my emotions and sometimes just spend the hours crying, sometimes I just listed to music on repeat and sit motionless in the middle of room, sometimes I harm myself, but I havent done that in quite a while.
Always was scared to talk about it with my parents, im pretty much the black sheep of my family already.
Im pretty sure they would understand but I just always felt kind of left out because of my brother that was very problematic and most of attention went to him even tho he is older

I kinda turned into nihilistic thinking asshole
I just dont think anything has any point

My biggest wish right now would be to get in shape, join the army and let myself get turned into spaghetti strainer by some goatfucker just I can be carried home with a flag knowing my death atleast was honorable

Definetly better than overdosing in my room

probably forgot lot of stuff, too much happening to stuff it into one post

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http://www.gotoquiz.com/results/how_much_of_a_robot_are_you

Do this. I'd love to know your scores.

IN ANOTHER NEWS

My brother and his wife both gave up on therapy. My parents "finished" therapy, also. My mother has now seen her grandkids again. I was asked by a third party if I could imagine talking to my mother again; I said it wasn't out of the question, upon which I was told that she doesn't want to. Just what. Why ask me...

It boggles my mind how two different therapists failed to make any progress with them, all four of them.

>>38659186
I feel it. I've been fantasizing about becoming a police officer.
At least I might help a few people before some triggered super-liberal blows my brains out point blank.

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>>38659190
What a silly thing.

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>>38659190
This is about the result I expected.

>>38659175

I'm Swiss. If we had invaded you, you'd speak French right now. After we had reorganised your nation and made it super clean, you wouldn't have wanted to be governed by anyone else.

>>38659083
>Have spoken here several times
Amazing indeed. As I said, I have been luckily avoiding my ticks lately, she did appear when I came to a head with video game depression, but otherwise I haven't been upset enough for her to come out. Amazingly, she didn't when I tortured myself one night to try to confront my OCD after Nick posted the videos.

>Gender issue
I am glad it makes sense to someone else. It has been something I always wondered how someone else could grasp. I have no plans to wear a dress, to put on makeup, or get a sex change operation. Yet that is exactly what I assume people think when I tell them this.

>Vidya
She doesn't generally play vidya. She will load it up, but then will sit and brood. She might change her avatar to be a statue or something else of such an empty nature. I play her in vidya as I cannot identify as a male in games. A male I just troll around and get bored with, it doesn't feel like me.

>Filth
I shall definitely check it out. Mine is completely asexual, she makes a moral Christian look like a slut. She doesn't want to be human, she is disgusted by humans, and finds everything about sex to be all the more disgusting. She is cold and pessimistic to the extreme. As I said, she makes me look quite optimistic.

The biggest danger for me is that she will respond if you talk to her, even if she likes to just brood, and she can be pretty harsh. Anyone she talks to she has successfully hurt, the best was one who accepted me back as soon as it was over.

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>>38659260
Tell me more about the glory of the Swiss Empire

>>38659186
>Damn, you not knowing me made me feel real shitty right now considering Ive been here since #68 or something like that

No reason to feel shittier about it than I do. It's my job to know the people in this thread. I always saw you interact with Facet, so I never intruded, sorta.

>>38659186
>selfharmed alot.

What type?

>>38659186
>My biggest wish right now would be to get in shape

I can help with that.

Do you have any ideas as to why you are depressed?

>>38659270
>She doesn't want to be human, she is disgusted by humans, and finds everything about sex to be all the more disgusting. She is cold and pessimistic to the extreme. As I said, she makes me look quite optimistic.

Well now this is interesting, since it sounds much more similar to one of the others. I'm sure Nick knows which one I'm talking about.

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does loneliness count as a psychological issue? cause it's starting to eat away at me

>>38659270
>she is disgusted by humans, and finds everything about sex to be all the more disgusting

Maybe she is where you hide all the normal shame that humans feel about sex, which I don't think you experience in yourself.

The only DID case I know seems to have a role for each alter. The way you describe her, she sounds like a terrifying machine, the opposite of the bubbly manchild you seem to be IRL.

My meant-to-be-dealer didn't show up which pissed me off. Not alot of things make me mad but that rustled my jimmies, maybe it was the rain that came and stopped me from paying him a visit.

>>38659296

The plan was to train as mercenaries and fight in other people's wars, thus making money and protecting our nation, while training in war.

Since we stayed out of everyone's business, people stayed out of ours. We became the center of the civilised world, the nation where the mighty meet to discuss what to do. We also have everyone's money. We surrounded ourselves with a geopolitical barrier we call the EU. From there, we have the highest salaries in Europe.

>>38659102
>Defenders of the primary personality
I believe that is it indeed. I get depressed to the point I cannot take it, I get a personality that is entirely apathetic to nearly everything. The ultimate defense mechanism.

>Do you connect this
Not at all. Booga Booga was an imaginary friend I can admit was imaginary. I never saw myself as my invisible friend, nor was Booga Booga anything like this. Truthfully I cannot remember too much about my invisible friend beyond what I said.

>Strictly a DID issue
Which I find strange, I thought that is the new term for multiple personality disorder. All I can think of with that is City Sushi from South Park. I thought in DID you had no idea of what the other was doing.

>Define that?
See above. Either that or Jeckyl/Hyde.

>BPD?
Yes, I have extreme issues with abandonment. I believe constantly everyone is going to leave me, that I should relish the time I have because it will not last. If you don't focus on me, put me at the center of attention, I get quite lonely and start getting emotionally upset.

I almost always have a FP. One person I put on a pedestal and will praise constantly, wishing to tell the world my love for this person. Not romantic love, just the sheer obsession I have with this friend. I cannot handle other people talking to my FP, I need them to have their constant attention on me, and one of my greatest worries is that anyone that knows my FP is trying to take them away from me.

Distorted self-image? No matter how much people try to bring me up, I seem to have trouble accepting I might have some redemption. I just feel I am a complete loser. I worry if people just talk to me for pity, then I hate myself for generating such pity.

>What's her name?
I don't wish to say that here. That is how personal she is to me, it would be like me writing my own name on 4chan for the world to see.

>>38659313
>I'm sure Nick knows which one I'm talking about.

Yes. The one who doesn't want you to be happy.

>>38659345

Yes, it counts. It's a horrible thing, it's clearly an issue. Anything that makes you unhappy is.

>>38659310
I usually talk with Dan and York the most from here
but I havent seen York in quite some time and havent spoken to Dan much too

>What type?
Usually cutting, usually didnt stop until there was blood dripping from my hands, that moment when the drop was slowly coming down and falling on the floor from the tip of my finger was fascinating
Also burned myself sometimes and even bite myself

>Do you have any ideas as to why you are depressed?

Not really, guess I just got hit with reality of life when I started growing up
Also started drinking alot and smoking too in that time

>>38659416
>Booga Booga

I love that name. Please draw Booga Booga some time.

>I thought in DID you had no idea of what the other was doing.

Think about it, if you didn't know what the other was doing, how would you know that you don't know what they're doing? It varies. Facet also describes it as taking a backseat while someone else is driving, but he doesn't remember all that well, sometimes not at all. So it is a bit like that.

You're right, these are quite BPD in nature. I have some symptoms myself, but not many.

No problem about the name; I figured that was why you didn't mention it.

Nick, do you think these threads are a suitable substitute for getting a psych?
I don't feel like I need a psych, but I only really 'let my guard down' around the kind of people that visit these threads.

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>>38659523
>Nick, do you think these threads are a suitable substitute for getting a psych?

I certainly don't claim that, but from experience, I also know that a lot of therapists don't do a good job, and I don't know how or why they fail so hard. I'm thinking of people from this thread as well as people I know offline.

I'll say it's worth a shot here. I'll do my best.

I stress out about money because I can't depend on my parents for money anymore. So far my biggest problems are:
> I have 2 job offers. The first one is what I want: flexible hours, very close to home an a chance to do some different work as a teller.
> The second one is at a company I've worked at before, but in a new department. Soulless corporation. The job itself is going to pay about 1-2 dollars more. It's also going to be extremely demanding because they don't want to pay for a proper staff. The perks are getting every holiday off, two weeks vacation and they don't fire at will. They just steal a part of your soul everyday until you fantasize about quitting.
> my 2nd problem is that I don't want to room with my friends anymore. We got an expensive place in the city so we aren't saving any real money. My one friend can't afford his portion and he's not even trying to get a second job to cover himself either.
> I'm thinking about rooming with my girlfriend but the problem is she's got an autoimmune disease that makes her very weak (weaker than the average woman) and she's vegan. I've stopped eating meat around her when we go out, but she's disappointed when she sees a burger wrapper left in my car.
> I think I can handle her because we have days when we are apart, but I think she'd start to grate on me if we lived together. My other roommate who can afford to pay is unstable. Bad attitude and likes to wake everyone up to complain about his oneitis.
> Can I live with my gf, try it again with the roomies in a cheaper place, or work full-time so I can live alone?

>>38659562
I don't plan to bother you with my story, it's nowhere near as fun or interesting as a few others, but I like it here. Even though i constantly surround myself with 'normal' people I'm more disgusted by them then I am remotely for anyone here.

>>38659571
>I'm thinking about rooming with my girlfriend but the problem is she's got an autoimmune disease that makes her very weak

Does she have candidose?

If you're serious about her, live with her. Better know now if you are compatible or not.

Anyone up for some thread soundtrack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ4CXxhAF8k

>>38659587
>I don't plan to bother you with my story, it's nowhere near as fun or interesting as a few others,

Please bother me. And if your story is more normal than the usual, Hallelujah. Please spill it all out.

>>38659639

I can't listen to this anymore. It's the last Korn album I bought when I was a teen. I listened to it the night before a nasty operation that pained me a lot, and that nobody knew I was having. Bad memories. No fault of your own, though, I just had to share.

Favourite Korn album was their first.

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Are there any Christians here? If you'd rather not say, it's fine by me.

>>38659639
I realised i like Korn, but never listened fully to any of their albums, guess i have what to do now, any albums that "are bad"?

>>38659631
I suppose so. But no one bringing in one of the roommates? Also, what's your opinion on the job situation? I'm pretty sure the shitty one is going to call me. Do I take it or turn them down?

>>38659684
Raised christian, or with christian beliefs?

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>>38659129
Seriously, I am so messed up I apparently have the messed up issues of everyone else. It is odd indeed how it feels like I can share one of my major issues with another anon.

Dan I don't really see. He seems to have a completely different view from me, he wants to be part of society to the point he tortures himself. His values seem quite fruitless.

Meta I don't even remember. I believe I said I forget people rather quickly if I don't communicate with them enough. Sorry Meta.

Facet is quite intriguing indeed. I don't believe it is good to have, but it is nice to know someone else has it and can thus understand what I am talking about. I am not the only one messed up in this way.

I don't know how you don't think I am a troll. This is the main reason I worry about memeing. It doesn't seem possible for me to have so many issues. I speak the truth and yet somehow seem to be a multiple layered mess. How can I have so many?

>>38659146
Mine is quite vocally hostile as well, but not so openly. She speaks in harsh truths, often twisting your words against you. She might be heavily manipulative. Might... sad when I don't even know my own identity.

>>38659190
Pic related. Yep, I don't really belong anywhere.

>>38659313
Interesting indeed. Somehow I am sharing even more traits with everyone here.

>>38659362
>Shame
Perhaps? I am extremely hyper-sexual as long as the fetishes are on the extreme end, so I don't think I have much shame. She on the other hand is entirely repulsed.

>Terrifying machine
Great way to describe her, though she is pretty useless besides hurting those over the internet. Perhaps because she is apathetic to doing anything grand.

>>38659644
I really don't think it's all that special.

> up until 15 lived with physically and mentally abusive mother
> kicks me out day before my 15th birthday
> go from a home that starves me emotionally to my dads house which he showers me with love and affection
>don't know how to handle the sudden change, retreat into myself
> bullied at high school and stuff, a few biggish fights, the usual
> father doesn't understand how I went from an extremely loving kid to an adult who is very emotionally cold towards him

That's basically it, I go out a bit and put on a facade, I don't really interact with people 1-on-1 unless I stand to gain more then what the time invested was worth.

>>38659684
I wear a cross a lot, not entirely sure why. By the way, you never answered my questions. Let's see that theology in action.

>Why is Christ important? Seems a bit culty
>Why worship a cosmic bully?
>How isn't his 'suffering' as Christ equivalent to blacking up then hanging out in the ghetto for a while to prove some vulgar point?
>How is the whole thing not a sickening vanity project by a being that created others to worship him?

If I think of any more I'll let you know. Stretch those muscles.

>>38659686

Everything after the first two.

>>38659706

For the job, take the one you think you'll enjoy more, even if it pays a little less. You'll feel that money invested in your daily enjoyment of being alive at work.

>>38659723

Either. I meant people who have faith right now. But both are interesting.

>>38659686
The new ones pretty much all suck,but the newest one (The Serenity Of Suffering) is pretty damn good

I think I ended at Untouchables, didnt really lsiten to ones after that too much

>>38659661
>Favourite Korn album was their first.
Same, I still hate my life for missing out on the whole rise of nu-metal

>>38659745
I see theres going to be a religion discussion here, I realised over the years that Im not against religion as the idea, but against organised religion. Do you see any advantage to the idea of religion to the advance of our society or is it a spine in our evolution?

>>38659793
One from SOS, my favourite I guess (probably because it has Corey Taylor in it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zXDys_gwHk

Hey guys I have a problem.

Nick is so good at helping us out with problems and he is so knowledgable I wish he would start a cult. Despite not even knowing what he looks like (and not even knowing if Nick is his real name or not) I dearly want to suck his cock and call him supreme leader of my arsehole.

How can I get over these feelings?

>>38659784
My religious "adventures" have been all over. Im a part of the lutheran church (was baptised there) from my fathers side, but my moms family is christian with old school beliefs. Crosses on the walls, paintings of apostles as gifts, etc. So i was surrounded more with christianity i guess, but none of them tried to make me believe in any of their religions. As i grew up, i thought i was an atheist, that there is no power above what we humans are. But I realised now that its kind of weird for it not to be, i only hated the idea of mass manipulation of people with organised religion.

So i guess im lutheran, raised in a christian house, with my own beliefs that arent linked to any of those two religions.

>>38659727
>I am so messed up I apparently have the messed up issues of everyone else.

To be fair, I have the same, but in smaller doses for certain things. I recognise some things I do as OCD because there's no reason to do them other than I got used to doing it and not doing it feels bad.

>Dan I don't really see. He seems to have a completely different view from me, he wants to be part of society to the point he tortures himself. His values seem quite fruitless.

What you said of society is very close to what he says.

>>38659727
>I don't know how you don't think I am a troll.

You're genuine. If you were trolling, that'd be too much effort for virtually no result. The only way our usual trolls get anything in return is by being edgy and beyond the line, where they become obvious. Before being obvious, there's not much fun.

>>38659727
>It doesn't seem possible for me to have so many issues

It makes sense. The more abuse you're under, the more stuff you have. Call it C-PTSD and have all these conditions as symptoms of it and you're done.

If all the BPD stuff was considered a condition in itself, it'd be the same.

>I have self-harm syndrome
>I have intense emotions syndrome
>I have disturbed self-image syndrome

Etc. It's all one under BPD, so who's to say how to categorise those things?

You have so many issues because your past and life is a fuckfest of insane behaviour. You were raised by extremely fucked up people.

>>38659727
>Pic related. Yep, I don't really belong anywhere.

I'm surprised.

cont

>>38659837
I guess you better just give him the old suckaroo and see what happens

>>38659495
>Please draw
I could try, not sure how to even go about it or how much I vividly remember.

>It varies
I see. I thought this was the main separator between BPD and DID. Very weird indeed to keep finding all these issues. How is it that 20+ threads later we are still finding I have more issues?

>Quite BPD in nature
Indeed, if you are my FP you can easily hurt me and I will become obsessed with you to the point where you can unintentionally hurt me by missing something. I need constant (you)s to not feel lonely, otherwise I start flipping between threads and hoping someone responds to me soon while fearing everyone forgot about me. It is probably why I can be obsessed with privacy and yet reveal so much, I am obsessed with talking about myself because it is one of the only things I feel confident talking about and which hopefully I can get some communication with so I don't feel alone.

>I figured that was why you didn't mention it
Indeed. I use her when I can in MMOs. If there is a choice of gender, I always make her. It is a weird hybrid between continuing to RP, but also due to the fact that I cannot identify with anyone else. As I said, a male I will just mess with the various options, troll a bit, and get bored. Things can only hold significance as her.

>>38659587
Tfw people think it is a competition to be abnormal here.

>>38659727
>Perhaps? I am extremely hyper-sexual as long as the fetishes are on the extreme end, so I don't think I have much shame. She on the other hand is entirely repulsed.

That's what I mean, her shame is yours, but cast out of your primary personality. I understand alters like this: they have split from your main consciousness and took with them something you didn't want to be in your primary conscience. You didn't want to feel so sexual, so she took the shame of your sexuality, and the result is your primary conscience feels none of it.

An exercise here would be to locate that sense of shame and feel it in your primary personality (that is, you). It's in you, you should be able to find it.

>>38659728

It's actually interesting and not at all any less special than anyone else's story here.

15 years living with someone who's physically and mentally abusive is more time than people in death camps. And you'd be surprised to know who is more marked by the experience.

I'm interested in your reaction to being shown love.

You know Nick, you're okay. Some people just need someone to listen to their story of their lives. Just stop suggesting people's parents are narcs. It's okay to suggest minor things like 'I guess that felt pretty bad,' but don't apply severe personality disorders to people you barely know.

t. Licensed therapist

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I always lurk here i'd like to talk about other things but theres too many of them

>>38659745
>I wear a cross a lot, not entirely sure why.

Here's my guess: you like making others think you're Christian. You get off on fooling them, and the "religious" one in you probably comes buckets from it, especially since his name is inked in your skin, and that won't go away easily, while the cross will.

Wearing a cross and not knowing why is excusable if you're a guido in New Jersey, but that's not you. You have a reason for it, dig it up. I'd like to know.

Responding to your question next.

>>38659968
Write your questions and people might answer and start discussions about your desired subjects, dont neglect your opinions.

>>38659451

Guess I got forgotten again

Anyway heres more soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaTsWYjGVT0

Dont judge me I just like to shitpost music

>>38659971
Well, one reason is because of the overwhelming number Muslim co-workers. It annoys me. I fantasize about being called on it and being able to case trouble for all of them in turn. I think there's more to it though. For example, I think it lends a certain air or respectability, perhaps age, The Man, while they're all young and cool. I still feel like that isn't the whole picture though. People ask about my tattoo all the time, and I always answer the same: it means nothing, I just picked it out of a book. I feel guilt whenever I say this.

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>>38659745
>Why is Christ important? Seems a bit culty

Culty would be if you function in a group, but you can be Christian on your own at this point. There's no guru, so to speak, and without a guru, no cult in the sense you mean.

Christ is important because He is God as a human being. He became one of us so we could be one with Him. (I used to say this all the time back in the day.)

The idea, to me, is that to save someone, you need to understand their pain, which is how I function here. I have very specific theological views about God that make more sense but aren't traditional or shared. A big question to me was always whether an omniscient God could know what it meant not to know. To experience human existence, God had to diminish His knowledge, reduce Himself to a human. This is why Christians love Christmas, the idea of an almighty God turning Himself into a small human baby, completely vulnerable.

Christ is God incarnate (technically, the Second Person of the Trinity) and His life as one of us is what saves us. I compare it to how, if I didn't have any idea of other people's suffering, I couldn't do anything for them. (I'm aware that the flip side of this is to project one's own issues on someone else.)

>inb4 someone whines about my picture, I'm ready for your rage

>>38659745
>Why worship a cosmic bully?

You're thinking of the Old Testament God, Who indeed acts as a cosmic bully. That said, different stories recount the same events and in one, God did it, in another, Satan did it. It's more likely that the Hebrews, much like an abused child, preferred to think their Father was a cruel and ruthless caregiver who still "loved" them, hence the strict discipline, than to think their Father was gone or didn't interact. Pain and suffering is easier if it has a cause and a purpose. Suffering for nothing is where it's hard.

Christians tend to vary on which version they prefer, Old and New Testament. American Protestants often lean on the Old Testament rather than the new, because they're a text-based faith, while Catholics are a tradition-based faith, a tradition that compiled the Bible, making it secondary to tradition, and meaningless without it.

When I was a Christian, I regarded the Old Testament as badass stories from a tough time, but not to be taken literally. Job, for instance, is a poem. Reading it literally is like reading Paradise Lost literally. It's stupid.

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>>38659745
>How isn't his 'suffering' as Christ equivalent to blacking up then hanging out in the ghetto for a while to prove some vulgar point?

I think I partially answered that one in my first answer. It wasn't to prove a point, it was literally to save us. Say you're a colonel and you made some rules for your soldiers. They fucking hate it and you don't understand why, and nobody really tells you. You integrate your own troops as a noob to see what's up. Your understanding of their condition becomes the same as theirs, you are now able to "save" them.

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>>38660141
>Christians tend to vary on which version they prefer, Old and New Testament. American Protestants often lean on the Old Testament rather than the new, because they're a text-based faith, while Catholics are a tradition-based faith, a tradition that compiled the Bible, making it secondary to tradition, and meaningless without it.
>When I was a Christian, I regarded the Old Testament as badass stories from a tough time, but not to be taken literally. Job, for instance, is a poem. Reading it literally is like reading Paradise Lost literally. It's stupid.

>this is your mind on narcissism

>>38659745
>How is the whole thing not a sickening vanity project by a being that created others to worship him?

To see it as a vanity project implies that God would take any pride in being worshipped by us. It's as if you took pride in having a toddler drawing you. You can only have vanity when you are less than everything, and by comparison with what you aren't, or others. God being both transcendent to His creation and part of it, vanity makes no sense. He is you in a much more intimate way; He is consubstantial to His creation, which is you. Loving Him is loving the source of yourself.

>>38660062
>Culty would be if you function in a group, but you can be Christian on your own at this point. There's no guru, so to speak, and without a guru, no cult in the sense you mean.
Sure, and you could worship L.Ron Hubbard at home if you wanted. There's enough material out there.

>Christ is important because He is God as a human being. He became one of us so we could be one with Him. (I used to say this all the time back in the day.)
Why should we be grateful for that?

>>38660062
Saving someone from the pain you created is just a control tactic. Works well in an interrogation context. Great, he took the afternoon off. An infinitely small amount of time to experience the merest fragment of human suffering. Meaningless, a token gesture driven by ego.

Great, so he creates an unwinnable situation then 'saves' us rendering us dually powerless - either for the damning or the redemption it comes down to him. We lack agency, except to choose to worship him or be destroyed.

As to Catholics, they just make up their own DLC (Catechism) and declare it retroactively canon to justify things like a pope.

>>38660170
So God fucked up, then provided a half-arsed fix and said 'No need to thank me' (but seriously, thank me or you're going to Hell).

>>38660208
Not sold in the least.
>I am a jealous God, worship no other God but Me
Sounds pretty vain to me. Plus, I have nothing to worship in myself, much less my shitty life experience.

>>38659803
>Do you see any advantage to the idea of religion to the advance of our society

All great civilisations were based on a religion: if offered law, mythology (stories that explain the current situation) and a purpose. Humans aren't happy without all three. It served a practical purpose beyond its potential truth, and that was enough to make society move forward. Contrary to popular belief, religion in Europe helped science more than anything else. Many famous scientists of the early Renaissance were financed by the Church. Even today, the man who first came up with the Big Bang theory was a Catholic priest, Georges Lema[i]tre, whose name is less famous than Stephen Hawking, simply because he was religious. You'd know the man who came up with the Big Bang theory would be famous today... His theory was rejected by the scientific community because it was too "religiousy", including Einstein. Funny.

>>38659837

That's much better trolling already.

>>38659870
>Indeed, if you are my FP you can easily hurt me and I will become obsessed with you to the point where you can unintentionally hurt me by missing something.

I fear I may have some of that FP shit as well.

>It is probably why I can be obsessed with privacy and yet reveal so much,

I can relate.

>>38659870
>Tfw people think it is a competition to be abnormal here.

Yeah... Who will be the King of Pain?

>>38659953
>Just stop suggesting people's parents are narcs

2/10. It's been a while since I have suggested that. Most I do now is post the article and let people see.

You're no licensed therapist, and you're transparent.

>>38659968

Talk about any you want, even all of them.

>>38659866
>I recognize some things I do as OCD
What is really odd is when people start describing their OCD symptoms and it is something I can share, but is something I just thought was normal. It is hard to determine what OCD is this way. The only ones I can clearly say are chronology and collecting. Otherwise I start saying meme things like collecting these mental issues could be part of my OCD.

>Said of society
So he may view society as the enemy and have disdain, but he has drawn a completely different conclusion. He wants to stay but complains about the situation, I wish to live on the outskirts, making raids when needed by otherwise being separate, but keep getting forced back in more than I wish.

>Too much effort for virtually no result
I am glad you can see this. I know I am being genuine, but I do remember your earlier concerns and do believe I can easily be misinterpreted.

>The more abuse you're under, the more stuff you have
I still have trouble seeing it as abuse Nick.

>Who's to say how to categorize these things
Fair enough. At least that makes me feel a bit better, it is bothersome when I don't even feel I have the right to a mental illness.

>I'm surprised
A bit busy right now, will continue later as well.

>>38660035
>it means nothing, I just picked it out of a book.

You don't see anything wrong with that explanation? Who'll believe it was in a book if it means nothing?

Anyone who knows what a sigil looks like will see the resemblance and look it up. That's what I did.

>>38660442
You've spent a bit too long on /x/. Most people have never even heard of a sigil, much less have a frame of reference for looking one up.

>>38660190

Job is listed between other works that are considered poetry: Psalms and the song of songs, if I'm not mistaken. And it is written as a poem, with the same structure and rhymes and whatnot. It was read as a poem by the people who wrote it. Just because something is ancient doesn't make it nonfiction all of a sudden, and being fiction doesn't mean it denies the real existence of its characters, just like Inferno or Paradise Lost. John Milton and Dante believed in God, and they knew they weren't writing literal stories.

>>38660477
But for Dante it was as much a hit piece as anything. A chance to attack public figures.

>>38660253
>Sure, and you could worship L.Ron Hubbard at home if you wanted. There's enough material out there.

You could, but nobody does. Why would you?

>Why should we be grateful for that?

Why would you be grateful to live forever happy? Is that the question?

>>38660492
If I have to obey, I'd sooner suffer. You're wrong about Hubbard too. Do you truly believe that no one owns a copy of Dianetics for personal use without going into a centre ever Gorzag's Day or whatever?

>>38660253
>Saving someone from the pain you created is just a control tactic.

In Christianity, God didn't create the pain, He only allowed you to be free. While there's no need to read things literally, humans messed up in the garden of Eden. I personally read it as a coming of age story. You grow up, things change, you are expelled from the garden because you're no longer a child.

>Great, he took the afternoon off. An infinitely small amount of time to experience the merest fragment of human suffering. Meaningless, a token gesture driven by ego.

The problem here is that Christ, being God, exists outside of time, and the Crucifixion as well, since it was lived by Him. It's like the Emperor in 40k.

Talking of ego when it comes to God is nonsensical to me. Ego is what a man of insecure powers can have, God has power and needs no ego. You should seek to update your vision of God to something less like a crazy, angry bearded dude.

>>38660477
>t was read as a poem by the people who wrote it.
>>38660477
>this is our mind on narcissism

>>38660477
>Just because something is ancient doesn't make it nonfiction all of a sudden, and being fiction doesn't mean it denies the real existence of its characters, just like Inferno or Paradise Lost. John Milton and Dante believed in God, and they knew they weren't writing literal stories.
>>38660477
>>38660477

what the fuck are you trying to say? I thought it was poetry you fucking retard

>>38660253
>Great, so he creates an unwinnable situation

What would be the unwinnable situation?

> We lack agency, except to choose to worship him or be destroyed.

That's a very strict understanding of Christianity, which wasn't what Christianity was for its first 5 centuries.

Religion and mental illness have a lot in common, and it shows sometimes. Your choice isn't about submitting or rebelling, it's about loving or not loving, and not loving is its own punishment. CS Lewis wrote that there are only two places where you are protected from love: Heaven and Hell.

>>38660551
>God created everything
>Except the bad things, that doesn't count
>Jealous God, worship NO OTHER GOD
>Not insecure because there are other gods
I don't think he's angry, I think he's a smug cunt; a real false benefactor. A philanthropist who poisons the water supply then opens an aquarium

>>38660611
Ok, this is more interesting material

>>38660253
>So God fucked up,

If your troops don't follow your orders for a reason of theirs, based on a weakness of their, you didn't fuck up, especially if you meant to have them be free. As a parent, you let your kid try things, even if he gets hurt, as it is better than not letting him do anything and be scared of the world. You're still there to help him and put a bandaid on.

>As to Catholics, they just make up their own DLC (Catechism) and declare it retroactively canon to justify things like a pope.

Catholics, as the Orthodox, didn't make up their own DLC as they were simply under the Bishop of Rome, at a time when every major city had a bishop, and all were equal. The schism happened then and divided Christiandom between Catholics and Orthodox, but Catholics didn't specifically add anything; their Bible is older and contains more books that Protestants removed to better fit their theology.

>>38660253
>Sounds pretty vain to me.

I told you that anything from the Old Testament is to be read very different from the New Testament, as they are collections of very different types of texts.

The OT has poems and stories from a much older time, while the NT is mostly made of letters, personal letters, and accounts. The OT has law, chronicles, stories, poetry, intended for an entire nation, while the NT is made of letters to small groups, and accounts of Christ's life. Even the language is different. Contrary to King James' Bible, the original text is written in vulgar Greek, the language used by people. So much so hellenists sort of laugh at the Greek used in the New Testament, because it sounds uneducated.

>No need to thank me' (but seriously, thank me or you're going to Hell).

That's mixing the OT attitude with the NT theology. There was no heaven or hell in the OT.

>>38660253
>Plus, I have nothing to worship in myself, much less my shitty life experience.

You're made of stuff that was already there when time began, when the Big Bang "exploded". You're pretty sacred stuff.

>>38660662
So you're saying that the Catechism is not a later addition?

When your troops are forced into service and have limited understanding of their mission why would you expect anything of these slaves? Not to mention, if God is all knowing this should have been ironed out before he even started. Hell, he could have just run simulations on his celestial computer. Which does beg the separate question as to whether we are some simulation anyway, but that's another matter.

>>38660712
I do like the King James best. As to Heaven or Hell, if we look at NT only, how am I off the mark? The new covenant was intended to establish precisely that, surely.

>>38660719
Can't say I'm moved by that.

>>38660434
>I still have trouble seeing it as abuse Nick.

That's part of the abuse. It's the main thing I got from therapy: someone else's perspective. The way your father treats you, or how the people you live with treat you is obviously dysfunctional. Your people do things that shouldn't be done.

You need to convince yourself of this if you want to mentally break free from them. It's like a cult. Watch cult documentaries: gurus are brazen assholes who lie a lot and shamelessly, and get anything they want, and nobody bats an eye. And everyone loves him.

>Son, God told me I had to make love to your wife.
>Uh... OK, father...
>Father grins like a cunt.
>Son collapses against a wall, undone.

I've seen this. It's abuse, and the son knows it on a lower level, but he can't rationally be aware of it, because it requires undoing everything he believed since he was born.

Like you.

>>38660471

I suppose that's true.

>>38660490
>But for Dante it was as much a hit piece as anything. A chance to attack public figures.

Yes, but to reduce it to that would be unfair. Using public figures was a way to make it seem more real and contemporary. Although not all public figures were contemporary...

>>38660817
Sure, I really enjoyed the translation of the Divine Comedy I read.

>>38660533
>If I have to obey, I'd sooner suffer.

You don't have to obey, that's the whole point. The other main thing in Christianity is that the true law is in you, and you know it. Disobeying the law amounts to doing things wrong. You will feel bad for it, and you will have to do mental gymnastics to make it somewhat OK, but every time, it's detrimental to your mental health.

>>38660533
>You're wrong about Hubbard too. Do you truly believe that no one owns a copy of Dianetics for personal use without going into a centre ever Gorzag's Day or whatever?

Dianetics is basically talk therapy and is actually used by completely non-Scientologists as well. Owning a copy of that doesn't mean much, especially as Scientologists do their best to look sciency.

Still, I don't see what the comparison is supposed to bring beyond guilty by association stuff. Hubbard is an obvious liar and manipulator, and if you listen to his tapes, the man sounds like he's doing stand up comedy and people even laugh, and yet they take him serious. It's pure mental illness.

>>38658604
Not really. I just don't understand why I should have a vastly worse life because of things out of my control.

Also, hello everyone.

>>38660867
Have you seen Going Clear? Very interesting. Worth the time.

As to your point about obedience, doing good is one thing, surrendering and submitting is the part I have a problem with.

>>38660880
Ey up Dan.

>>38660643

Creating everything doesn't mean you create what doesn't exist; we humans can use concepts for things that "aren't", like a shadow. A shadow isn't a thing or an entity, but it's pereceived as such. A rudimentary understanding of physics makes you realise that a shadow is just an absence of light. You can say God created light, but not shadows, since they don't "exist" and are basically an illusion. I wouldn't use that example on everything, that's not the purpose here. Many "bad things" serve as very useful alarms, such is pain, physical and moral. Depression, for instance, is a clear alarm that someone's life isn't going the right way.

>>38660643
>Jealous God, worship NO OTHER GOD

Again, Old Testament. I know it's a very precious collection to people who want to bash on Christianity, because it's 90% of the argument, but I can't just repeat what I said before.

You can see the switch in the OT, where "God" mentions other Gods as if they were real, and when this switches to them not being real.

Your next line is what I was going to say. The difference between us that you're more of a Protestant than I am here: just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it's true. So when you see something like this, my reaction is to think it is wrong, while yours is to believe it and think God is wrong.

>>38660643
>I don't think he's angry, I think he's a smug cunt; a real false benefactor. A philanthropist who poisons the water supply then opens an aquarium

Why would you ever define such a being as God? Does any of that sound Godly, good, and loving? Do you think the entity that created the universe would be such a puny character?

>>38661002
>Do you think the entity that created the universe would be such a puny character?
Look around you. And before you give me any beauty of creation, artists are mostly dickheads.

>>38659878
>She took the shame of your sexuality
Logical perhaps. It is an odd route to think based on how I am, but it would explain the situation.

>You should be able to find it
I can if it is simple missionary sex for the sole purpose of procreation. Of course that is more disinterest than anything.

Not sure how to find my shame, it seems like such a foolish thing to be ashamed of your fantasies. The only reason one could be shamed is because they are worried what society might think, for example Dan could suffer this problem. I wouldn't be vocal about it because I know the repercussions for being banished, especially by those that control you, but I feel no personal shame.

>>38660389
>I fear I may have some of that FP shit
I am very sorry. From what I heard from one of my FPs, people don't want to be put on a pedestal because you will often do it by downplaying everyone else. I just can't help myself, they are such an amazing person and I wish to express my full appreciation by devoting everything I can to them.

>I can relate
I just love it when people listen, when it feels like I matter in a place. I like feeling important to someone and my BPD makes it so I constantly doubt my value to others. I enjoy being appreciated, I just don't like doing such by constraining my values. I don't want to be cucked, to be made into some mental submissive for them by swaying to their every wish. I just wish for unconditional caring, nonstop devotion. My ideal relationship would be with a yandere. I need constant affirmations, constant proof of someone caring for me, to the point that I admit I wish for unhealthy levels. This is why I talked about a submissive, I would want one doing what they doing as a willing sacrifice to me, a continual proof of their devotion to me, to put me above them and to worship me as their god.

>>38660389
You know, now that I think about it, I wonder if Dan sees it as a competition he is losing which in turn makes him more defensive.

>>38660768
>So you're saying that the Catechism is not a later addition?

It's from the early 90's and was requested by John Paul II, but what it states isn't nearly as recent. Before that, Catholics had the Baltimore Catechism, but that stuff is spoopy.

Books are created by tradition, the living humans who carry on the teaching they received.

>>38660768
>if God is all knowing this should have been ironed out before he even started.

This is where my personal theology differs from mainstream. I believe(d) that God, in making us be conscious and free, that He also gave up omniscience, just the same as He gave up space so we could exist. If God foreknows all, then He would be evil not to intervene at the right time, or make things so that no evil unfolds. Free humans who will do evil, while God lets them, makes God evil, so that can't be. God giving up powers is the only thing that saves logic here, and the whol incarnation is about God losing His powers.

Christ was the first anti-hero, to my knowledge.

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>>38659190
Well this seems about right. Hope you're doing better Nick, you do a lot of good for everyone here.
>>38659684
I am. Why ask?

>>38660768
>I do like the King James best.

It is great, but it's written to show off, while the original was written by humble people who spoke like simple people. The NT uses a very limited vocabulary, which caused many problems.

>>38660768
>As to Heaven or Hell, if we look at NT only, how am I off the mark?

You used the OT attitude about NT concepts, that's how. Conceptions of hell also differ a lot depending on the translations you use: ranging from "eternal damnation" to "temporary cleaning".

>>38660768
>Can't say I'm moved by that.

You're not supposed to be moved, you're supposed to take that in rationally, literally.

>>38660880
>Not really. I just don't understand why I should have a vastly worse life because of things out of my control.

Simply because you can't control them.

The fact that this answer doesn't solve your problem is proof that your problem is something else.

If the Old Testament doesn't count and we're talking about an entirely different God then cast it off and leave it to the Jews and the Muslims. Unless of course it is the same God and you're cherry picking.

>>38661057
Convenient. Maybe rather than making up excuses for him you should acknowledge the glaring flaws. Sounds like something you've criticised me for in the past. Recognise your abuser.

>>38660947
>Have you seen Going Clear? Very interesting. Worth the time.

No, but I spent 2 weeks binging on everything about Scientology. Lo did as well. I used to know everything about it, pretty much. OT levels (not Old Testament, this time, but Operating Thetans), and etc. When I realised there was no real theology to it and that it was just a big scam, I lost interest rapidly. Hubbard was some Dark Triad person and that's pretty much all of it.

>>38661131
But the leaders who succeeded him were far more sinister.

>>38661014
>Look around you. And before you give me any beauty of creation, artists are mostly dickheads.

Looking around I see the mess I made myself, so I'll jump to the other level of what you said. I believe in a creation that evolves, and that does so in very brutal ways. I see nature as McGyver with genes.

Even Christianity has a vision of the universe as a flawed thing. You may argue on the cause and effect of eating apples, but that's missing the point: the universe is flawed is a fundamental point in Christianity. So you're perfectly in line.

It's a post lapsarium world we live in.

>>38661025
>Logical perhaps. It is an odd route to think based on how I am, but it would explain the situation.

Just trying things, exposing them to you, see what happens.

>>38661025
>but I feel no personal shame.

You feel no personal shame for things she feels extreme disgust. I'm sure there's something to connect there.

>>38661025
>I am very sorry. From what I heard from one of my FPs, people don't want to be put on a pedestal because you will often do it by downplaying everyone else. I just can't help myself, they are such an amazing person and I wish to express my full appreciation by devoting everything I can to them.

Your father is your FP, right?

>>38661025
>You know, now that I think about it, I wonder if Dan sees it as a competition he is losing which in turn makes him more defensive.

Dan punches himself and walks in front of cars, so I think he wins this one and likes it.

>>38660787
>It's abuse, and the son knows it on a lower level, but he can't rationally be aware of it, because it requires undoing everything he believed since he was born.
That sounds logical at least, someone indoctrinated in a cult is going to believe the cult leader no matter how wrong he is. Drink the koolaide. The hard part is seeing my father applied to that, it seems quite different from my perspective. I just worry I say things wrong and so your interpretation is wrong.

>>38661110
My genes are one thing, but what truly decides the inferiority is normies and society in general. That is why this answer doesn't solve my problem.

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>>38659451
>but I havent seen York in quite some time

it's because im the same as you. when i dont automatically get showered with attention i assume im disliked, intruding or just being annoying. then i dont enjoy the company of the people anymore since im assuming im not liked.

i've also been feeling real tired lately and havent had much energy left to be social.


>test
whelp, seems im a chad. better go slay some pussy tonight. it's not like i havent talked to a female outside of a professional setting for the last 6 months.

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>>38661080
>Well this seems about right. Hope you're doing better Nick, you do a lot of good for everyone here.

I'm not. And I'm not sure I help anyone really. I often believe people help themselves if they want to. I might make that easier, but I'm not saving any lamb that can't run on his own.

>>38661080
>I am. Why ask?

Curious. I miss God.

>>38661129
>If the Old Testament doesn't count and we're talking about an entirely different God then cast it off

We almost did, with Marcion. We kept it for background, then Americans went to town with it.

>>38661129
>Unless of course it is the same God and you're cherry picking.

There are various ways to reconcile OT and NT; Mormons think of the OT God as Jesus learning how to be a God and being a young shithead.

As to cherry-picking, it's a term often used in arguments but it's what everyone does. You can't "take everything" in a context like this. You have to choose a number of things, and that is no choice.

Parts of the Bible cancel other parts, that's not cherry-picking, that's reading the damn book and applying it, but because of that, people will accuse you of cherry-picking. If the OT says no shellfish and the NT says sin isn't in what you eat but what comes out of your mouth, I think it's pretty clear, but it seems to be a problem to a lot of Christianity-bashers out there. Nevertheless, it is no cherry-picking.

Applying rules from a later edition than rules from an older edition is just applying the right rules.

>>38661190
>See what happens
The main thing we can do, just see how things happen and go from there to figure out what is going on.

>Something to connect
It sounds logical that something must exist. But, if so, I don't see it.

>>38661190
>Your father is your FP, right?
Actually, no. My FP right now is a very good friend I have, another INFJ that is absolutely amazing.

>>38661204
Which would make him uninterested in lacking mental issues since he cannot enjoy that which he is good in... which is why he is trying to get rid of them?

>>38661129
>Convenient.

It would help if you quoted the bit you're thinking of, because these posts are long with many ideas, and now I have no idea what you were thinking of exactly.

You're doing what atheists and literalists alike do: you sit on the text and won't budge. If the text describes flaws, am I to doubt the universe, or the text?

As to recognising my abuser, I'm not the one who remains submissive to his parents. I have done my work.

Glaring flaws of the OT are easily explained by history and textual analysis.

>>38661311
Isn't it reasonable to assume that anything not directly redacted by the NT still stands?

>>38661228
Papa bless for responding

Anyway I was getting scared something happened since I havent talked to you in quite a while
Good to know everything is alright

Atleast now you can see that youre not annoying to me

> better go slay some pussy tonight

Go get 'em tiger

>>38661148
>But the leaders who succeeded him were far more sinister.

Miscavidge is made of the same crap. Hubbard tried to abort his wife by punching her in the stomach and other things. He was a dangerous maniac and a filthy liar. There's only one leader that succeeded him, I don't know of any other. Members below miscavidge, the pillars of the church, were usually born to Scientologist parents, and most of them have now left the church. Some made their own branch of Scientologist, like Protestants who gave up on the Pope.

>>38661342
I'm saying you're doing exactly what you accuse me of, only with a much greater force. You've created an entirely different interpretation in order to defend a figure that logically you can see is cruel. You've come up with excuses beyond those used by everyone else. You've really gone the extra mile.

>>38661375
Yeah, Miscavidge is the guy I was referring to.

>>38661213
>The hard part is seeing my father applied to that, it seems quite different from my perspective. I just worry I say things wrong and so your interpretation is wrong.

You do say the wrong things, but the other way around. You describe what amounts to serious abuse in the nicest way possible, while you worry that you say horrible things about a nice situation.

You will desribe an adult strangling a child in nice terms, not realising that such an act is vile and abusive.

>>38661229
>I'm not. And I'm not sure I help anyone really. I often believe people help themselves if they want to. I might make that easier, but I'm not saving any lamb that can't run on his own.
You only help those that want help, Nick. You can only show the running lambs a way out of the burning barn, you can't save those that refuse to see the fire.
>>38661239
>I miss God.
Have you tried to find God?

Today i applied for a job at Subway, seriously, if I don't getbthe job i will fucking hang myself.
I don't give a fuck anymore

>>38661221
>but what truly decides the inferiority is normies and society in general.

So you are bound by your genes, but they aren't because?

>inferiority

Another concept where you always remain abstract. Because any attempt at being concrete ends up failing. Being "inferior" means nothing, it's religious mumbo jumbo. It's like saying "The energies are bringing you down!" You'd have to say "inferior at" and then name something. Instantly, your belief would take a hit. There aren't many things that genetics will have such a strong influence on.

The abstract is your protection, you hide in it and it allows you to say anything, like a scientist who doesn't want his hypothesis tested.

>>38661321
>Actually, no. My FP right now is a very good friend I have, another INFJ that is absolutely amazing.

Wouldn't you say your father is treated like an FP in some ways? You'd rather he abuse you than feel disappointed in you.

>>38661321
>Which would make him uninterested in lacking mental issues since he cannot enjoy that which he is good in... which is why he is trying to get rid of them?

I wasn't completely serious about it. But maybe he ISN'T trying to get rid of them.

>>38661370
dont worry i havent been suicidal for years.
did go to the doctor again today. 4th time this year, 6th time in my entire life.
im not sure if i feel like he didnt take me serious or that he saw my issues weren't serious. took some tests, so far everything has been normal, ofcourse the one im most interested in will take some time to process so we'll see.

what have you been up to?

>>38661446
>So you are bound by your genes, but they aren't because?
They are only inferior because people decide they are.

>There aren't many things that genetics will have such a strong influence on.
Looks are heavily influenced by your genes. Which are extremely important like I already said. Also intelligence. Height. Your family is also important and out of your control, but that's not genes.

>>38661406
That is definitely interesting to note. Though note I never said rape was a good thing to have happen, I just said there were ways to lessen the blow and remove the trauma.

>>38661406
>while you worry that you say horrible things about a nice situation.
If chubby improv guy was nice, I definitely already do.

>>38661350
>Isn't it reasonable to assume that anything not directly redacted by the NT still stands?

Considering the many books of the OT and how they were written over 2000 years (imagine, that's like putting together a novel from 2017 with a poem from Antiquity, quite a gap), you can't generalise for the entire OT.

Is it reasonable to assume that a text which states that the world we live on is a half bubble stuck between infinite waters, which is why the sky is blue and why sometimes water rises up from the ground?

No, it's not. That answers your question partly.

Is it reasonable to assume that poems still stand? Yes, because it's poetry, it serves a different purpose. The OT was a portable nation: it contained the law, the culture, the history of a people who had no land. You can't consider it without having this in mind.

>>38661483
>You'd rather he abuse you than feel disappointed in you.
Yes, but I still can get aggravated with my father, there is plenty he does that annoys me and drives me up a wall. I like just to not rock to boat, so I try to communicate as little as possible. I give my father respect and appreciate his kindness, but he is not my FP.

>>38661483
>But maybe he ISN'T trying to get rid of them.
Why isn't he trying to get rid of them if he won the competition?

>>38661376
>I'm saying you're doing exactly what you accuse me of, only with a much greater force.

I am not, since I don't have faith. How would that work?

>You've created an entirely different interpretation in order to defend a figure that logically you can see is cruel.

As if being cruel was something you minded in a figure. Your reactions to my apology of Christianity is very personal and seemed filled with stuff that comes from you. It's personal between you and God, you almost forget that I wish I believed in God. You act as if I'm a Christian. You may want to lash out at Christians, but I'm the wrong target. I only defend the stuff.

Interpretations are all we have, being new or older doesn't matter so much as how well they match logic and tradition. Christianity was heavily influenced by Roman thinkers whose ideas were different, and this is why Chritianity from a good news religion to a violently repressive one, with insane punishment for disobedience, but is this any surprise when you know Christianity was selected as state religion to unify a whole people?

What you call excuses are just ideas. God doesn't abuse me

>>38661542
For a minute I thought you were arguing about the Star Wars movies. I was scared how sacred you held the OT. One day I may be able to see the NT and have an opinion.

>>38661418
>Have you tried to find God?

From 18 to 33. Then I found Him and He threatened to sue for rape.

>>38661602
Hmm, yeah I suppose this is pretty personal to me. I also don't believe that you've stopped believing in God.

>>38661433

Don't. Applying is a success in itself already. Whatever happens afterwards is something else. You can have other successes by applying to other jobs. And re-applying to Subway in a month. Don't give up. I once applied to the same thing for 4 months straight. I got it in the end, and it was shit. So I dropped it after a month.

Welcome to this thread.

Drop some Pepe's on it.

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>>38661498
>dont worry i havent been suicidal for years.
Thats good to know

>did go to the doctor again today
For what reason?

>what have you been up to?
Not much really, work and suicidal thoughts mostly
Also started drawing new stuff
Just a humble beginning right now

>>38661678
What an amazing image. Is it your own work?

>>38661625
>From 18 to 33. Then I found Him and He threatened to sue for rape.
What? I'mma need some context here.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/dissociative-identity-disorder-multiple-personality-disorder#2

So looking at DID, I found this little interesting nugget.

>Compulsions and rituals
Are they saying OCD is a symptom of DID? I don't believe I had this when I was younger, even when I had OCD, which makes it confusing.

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>>38661673
I mean, i got an interview at said Subway, it went great, never wore a fake smile for so long too.

They said they'd call me for training if i got the job, i got till monday to find out.

Im riding my last hope of a fucking subway job, how pathetic do you have to be to reach this point?

ITT:

>Nick defends the faith he has lost against Fedora Facet
>Nick attempts arguing with Dan
>Nick attempts saving Coats from Dad Cult
>Nick just wants to fucking die already and didn't want to get too involed in the thread today
>Nick fucks up again!

>>38661738
We did mess up Nick, we shouldn't have pushed you. We knew you were depressed and should have been more careful.

>>38661738
We can dial it back, but I resent the fedora implication. The fact is, I want to be convinced or I wouldn't argue so hard on this topic. It matters to me personally.

>>38661738
>>38661738
Ayy bby what's going on. get a grip. The lives of others are not your responsibility and shouldn't be.

>>38661506
>They are only inferior because people decide they are.

But the people who make the rules, "people"; aren't bound by their genetics? You're not answering my question.

>>38661506
>Looks are heavily influenced by your genes.

That's not true. Just watch a makeover show or two and you'll realise how much of looks is about your diet, your haircut, your makeup, your clothes, your personal hygiene. Taking care of yourself is over 80% of looks, easily. An easy proof of this is pictures of people in their youth and pictures of them ten years later when they got fat. It's not genes. It's calories.

>Which are extremely important like I already said.

And you're wrong there. I am not exceptionally handsome and women have been madly in love with me. I'm also the same size as you. And Charlie in the thread isn't the same Charlie you insulted. And Tanny doesn't know you're 178 cm, the day you tell her, she'll tell you you aren't short.

Intelligence is less about genes than about how you're raised, and unkown factors. Height doesn't matter

Your arguments are not convincing.

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>>38661738
>Nick doesnt reply to my post after saying he wants to know me better

But dont worry, I know you cant keep up with everyone
We can do this next week when im done with my summer job and will probably spend half a day on /r9k/ for a few weeks

>>38661516
>If chubby improv guy was nice, I definitely already do.

Oddly enough, you did the opposite with chub improv man. The opposite of what you do with your father.

I wonder if the same symmetry is applied to "her": you feel no shame, she resents you for things that you should feel shame for (should, from your point of view, unified point of view).

>>38661678
>For what reason?
found some lumps on my throat. it's really discouraging that i keep getting new pains and various issues that turns out to be nothing, but the pain doesnt go away.

>Not much really, work and suicidal thoughts mostly
same only instead of suicidal, i keep thinking im severely ill.
that drawing made me feel really bad until i saw the dont part. there's some sort of romance in it.
in general the whole writing obsessive messages on the wall thing is something that's made me feel very anxious all my life.

>>38661692
Yep, been working on it since yesterday evening
Also thanks

>>38661848
I'm listening, me old lad. Would you like to talk more about the self-harm? What do you get out of it?

>>38661874
The attention to detail on the cuts is just right.

>>38661579
>there is plenty he does that annoys me and drives me up a wall.

Greentext stories are welcome.

>>38661579
>Why isn't he trying to get rid of them if he won the competition?

Not to keep winning but Dan would prefer being right than being wrong about his world view, because without his world view, he would be just a bitter asshole that nobody likes because of his attitude towards them. His belief enables him to think he is the heroic victim of serious bullshit imposed on him by genetically superior Chads.

>>38661868
>Opposite
Indeed I did based on your interpretation.

>You feel no shame, she resents you for things you should feel shame for
That could possibly be the case. But I am not sure how to handle it.

>>38661621
>I was scared how sacred you held the OT.

Hah! The Old Trilogy. It's quite the opposite, I regard the OT as less sacred, because less direct than the NT.

>>38661738
Is it really a fuckup if you're doing something you enjoy deep-down? You wouldn't get sucked in so deep into these conversations if you didn't.

>>38661656
>I also don't believe that you've stopped believing in God.

Now that's interesting. And a complete projection, as I am not sure I ever started. My faith was 99% hope, 1% insecure intuition. When asked if I believed, I could never just say yes.

>>38661678

Very nice! You should make us some OC, you're good.

We need some original Pepe's.

>>38661842
>But the people who make the rules, "people"; aren't bound by their genetics?
Most likely yes. And also peer pressure.

>Taking care of yourself is over 80% of looks, easily.
I'm not convinced about that. Your genetic shortcomings will always shine though. I know guys who take care of themselves, lift and pretty much work their ass off. It does nothing for balding, narrow shoulders (and no, narrow shoulders aren't only decided by muscles, but also bones) and other things.

>And Charlie in the thread isn't the same Charlie you insulted.
Did not know that actually. But the one I insulted was also a woman, wasn't she? I'm little fuzzy here.

> And Tanny doesn't know you're 178 cm, the day you tell her, she'll tell you you aren't short.
I'm not tall either. And that is the point.

>Intelligence is less about genes than about how you're raised, and unkown factors.
Don't know. My father is pretty intelligent, he didn't even finish high school and was beaten heavily when he was young but he knows more about many subjects than people who studied it (although his knowledge is more practical). He actually does a job that is usually done by people with a masters degree and 10 years of experience.

Also reading this: >>38661738
If you wanna stop this conversation, feel free to. I shouldn't have forced you into this conversation yet again.

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>>38661698

Everything I had looked for in God I found in a woman. Then she turned Old Testament on me. And I turned New Testament on her. That means I keep getting fucked up and hurt because I believe in love.

so i have only been skimming through this religion discussion, apologies if this has been addressed.

i wanted to become a catholic a long time ago, i felt it would give my life meaning. however i just could not get over the supernatural stuff.
if Nick's the only religious one here i kinda feel bad for laying more on him, but this is something i've been thinking about for quite a long time.

how can one accept that faith and in particular prayers have an actual effect on the real world? this was the real dealbreaker for me, when the people in church asked if they could pray for me. it confused me and i didnt realize they saw it like helping me out until the next day.


also it bothers me immensely when the captcha asks me to click on a parachute and then forces me to click a parasail

>>38661734
>Im riding my last hope of a fucking subway job, how pathetic do you have to be to reach this point?

I don't see how that's pathetic. Plenty of people here don't even dare apply for a job. You're a champion among the helpless. Besides, I always respect a man who looks for work. You'll make food so that people can eat. Is that not beautiful? We have a tendency to shit on everything if it pays less than something else. People have more respect for a cunt who poisons humans but makes millions than for a man who makes sandwiches for much less money.

>>38661767

It's fine. It made me feel better, in fact. I need to keep busy and these subjects are safe for me.

Just keep debating my shit and never give up.

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>>38661871
> it's really discouraging that i keep getting new pains and various issues that turns out to be nothing, but the pain doesnt go away.

Look at the bright side, atleast it turns out to be nothing, being in pain is still better than dying with no pain... well atleast for most people...

The leave me alone/don't leave me alone is based on one of my favourite songs, I kept thinking about how to put t in some picture
Sorry if it made you feel bad

>>38661887
>What do you get out of it?

Wish I knew. I usually act like im drunk when I get into the selfharming state of mind, everything is just blacked out by misery

I used to think I did it to prove myself that I can handle the pain
Now I think I do it just to know I still feel something, to know i havent became completely numb yet,the pain is like a drug at that moment
The kick when you pierce the skin is really something

>>38661848
Email him. thread moves too fast. Nick has OCD tendencies, he won't miss you on purpose

>>38661795

That was tongue in cheek, I don't consider you a fedora, but I feel your rage.

I was your kind of atheist.

I enjoy being able to talk about Christianity like that. I used to do it 8 hours a day back then. Sounds familiar, uh...

>>38661827

Sup famalam. We have the responsibilities we choose. I choose mine, and these people are my responsibility, within the small scope of this thread.

>>38661848

I must have missed it. I made you a priority.

I saved that Pepe. Pepe's are easier to save than people.

>>38662085
>I used to think I did it to prove myself that I can handle the pain
>Now I think I do it just to know I still feel something, to know i havent became completely numb yet,the pain is like a drug at that moment
>The kick when you pierce the skin is really something
I feel you, and feel your feel. It's partly why I'm going to go without eating for a few days. Just to feel a feel. To suffer and to see it.

>>38662123
Fair dos then. I don't consider myself an atheist, but the point still stands.

>>38661902
>But I am not sure how to handle it.

This may sound meaningless: try to connect to your shame as you. Feel what you feel deep down.

>>38661912

Indeed, that was ironic. I really didn't want to get involved, but did anyway and feel better for it.

>>38662123
>>38661971
I'll never understand you.
Seriously never.

When I told myself I'll be determined to be happy I made sure I did and made decisions all for myself. I never take responsibility for others, it doesn't make sense.

I have great friends and I don't have to take responsibility for them, not even when I help them to the end of the earth

>>38661964
>I'm not convinced about that. Your genetic shortcomings will always shine though.

Genetic shortcomings are things like genetic diseases, very precise things you can pinpoint both the nature and its effects. You blame genetics for chess inefficiency, that's completely different.

>>38661964
>It does nothing for balding,

I've never heard a woman say she dislikes bald men. Only men dislike it because they're scared it may happen to them.

Narrow shoulders, if you get enough muscles, you'll have wide shoulders, but that's just physical stuff. There are plenty of women who don't care much what you look like.

>>38661964
>Did not know that actually. But the one I insulted was also a woman, wasn't she? I'm little fuzzy here.

Yes. Current Charlie is a man.

>>38661964
>I'm not tall either. And that is the point.

Then you lied to her because you told her you were short, not average.

>>38661964
>He actually does a job that is usually done by people with a masters degree and 10 years of experience.

Would you look at that, it looks like the man who gave you your genes is pretty fucking intelligent, eh? Some top-tier genetics right there, and it shows, since you're intelligent too and can learn like a turbo motherfucker.

And no, the conversation is going fine. I am fine.

>>38661971
>Everything I had looked for in God I found in a woman.
What were you looking for in God that you thought you'd found? Love? Happiness? Security?
>Then she turned Old Testament on me. And I turned New Testament on her. That means I keep getting fucked up and hurt because I believe in love.
I've learned that women are simply different than men. Honor, loyalty, and love are things they simply can't perceive the same way. For an example:
My sister was raised the same as I was, yet little bro caught her sleeping around on her boyfriend with her nigger ex.

>>38662201
Good. Having a purpose fights depression, at least for me.

This is me:

>>38661087

Any advice, I guess?

>>38661981
>how can one accept that faith and in particular prayers have an actual effect on the real world?

Two ways to answer this. First, some experiments suggest that many minds focusing on the same thing can indeed have an effect, regardless of whether God is involved or not. If that sounds crazy, know that I have personally experienced telepathy with someone and we verified it, so I am forced to admit that our minds can do things at a distance, things we don't explain yet. It's not evidence, but it means we don't know everything yet.

People like to pray for people they love when there's nothing else to do. Even if it does nothing, it allows people to do "something" and let you know: both of you feel happier for it. If that's the only effect, it's still a good one. Most people who pray, in my impression, don't really think it works, but hope so, but expect nothing much.

Same issue with captcha myself.

Also, praying isn't just about asking God for things. I almost never prayed to God this way.

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>>38662176
>It's partly why I'm going to go without eating for a few days

That seems quite brutal
I just do it for a quick kick, youre doing a fucking marathon, nothing good can come out of that

>>38662158
Im pretty sure you missed 90% of my posts today

Also related soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdyQofT-p_g
>I dont know why I cut myself

>>38662176
>I feel you, and feel your feel. It's partly why I'm going to go without eating for a few days. Just to feel a feel. To suffer and to see it.

Don't fast for more than 48 hours at most. I recommend not going over 24. You have a fragmented mind to take care of, don't be a dick. Fatigue and hunger will do a number on you. Don't.

>>38662224

I don't live for myself, I don't see the point of it. I am only happy if I can live with people. This is why living like a robot destroys my soul. I wasn't made to live alone.

I was made to lead a tribe, have 15 wives, 50 friends, and hundreds of people to take care of and teach. And 75 children.

Instead I have a king sized bed whose half is shaped like Lo's body, hiding under the blanket.

>>38662399
>>38662364
>Can't drink
>Can't cut
>Need to occupy myself with something for a few days
>Need to suffer in order to focus
I don't believe the fragmented mind stuff will occur. Plus it would be nice to rub some weight loss in my gf's face when she returns.

>>38662085
>Look at the bright side, atleast it turns out to be nothing, being in pain is still better than dying with no pain
im having a hard time convincing myself that that is the case. i want to start up the process of building myself a life again. but all these issues are getting in the way. i really dont have any capacity left on focusing on someone else when im certain my health is going down the shitter. im not that afraid of death, being crippled is much worse for me. a while back i was sure i got rectal cancer, which would mean a fairly high probability of getting a colostomy and having to shit through a back on my stomach.

the dont part of you drawing made it all good. though me feeling bad is not so much about the message as it is about the fact that there's messages on the wall. it's destruction of property and also extremely exposing. if you write your shit on the wall then you have to hide the wall instead of just a part of yourself.

>>38662276
>What were you looking for in God that you thought you'd found? Love? Happiness? Security?

Completeness, hope, confidence that the universe was good, redemption of my past, hers, and everything.

https://youtu.be/tSRYvYN1ayw

We both liked this song. The lyrics were exactly that. Gorecki also happens to be my favourite composer.

>>38662271
>You blame genetics for chess inefficiency, that's completely different.
So if you have two people, one is intelligent and one is very stupid and they both put in the same amount of time into practice, is there only going to be small difference between them?

>I've never heard a woman say she dislikes bald men.
It's like with height. Women don't say it, but being bald is considered unattractive. Surely you're not gonna deny that?

>Narrow shoulders, if you get enough muscles, you'll have wide shoulders, but that's just physical stuff.
Not really. You will have wider shoulders, but some guys have very wide shoulders without working out too much. Wider than many guys who do work out. If a guy with narrow shoulders puts on muscle, you can still tell by the shape of his shoulders and he is still smaller.

>Yes. Current Charlie is a man.
Oh well. I'm pretty sure I insulted someone here who you said was a woman. Putting Tanny aside, who I probably didn't even insult, or did I?

>Would you look at that, it looks like the man who gave you your genes is pretty fucking intelligent, eh?
This is funny as fuck. First you say how intelligence isn't affected that much by genes and then when I say it is, you now agree with me and use it against me?

>And no, the conversation is going fine. I am fine.
Great.

>>38662276
>I've learned that women are simply different than men. Honor, loyalty, and love are things they simply can't perceive the same way. For an example:

The women you engage with are related to you psychologically. I disagree with what you said. People with mental issues will have values that seem different but often come with their own manual.

Being raised in the family doesn't guarantee being raised the same way: she's a girl, you're a boy, your parents may have raised you differently for that alone; you're not the same age and didn't arrive together, so that may change things too; and her personality and her choices are hers, we're not machines.

And I know I'll sound like a SJW but you shouldn't use "nigger" literally. I would certainly like to know her reasons.

>>38662291

Explain fantasies that would make you unhappy... normally, they'd make us happy, that's the point. How do you explain that?

>>38662357
>many minds focusing on the same thing can indeed have an effect
holy shit, is there a name for this or atleast something to google? i would love for this to be real, it's like real life WH40k.

>Even if it does nothing, it allows people to do "something" and let you know
maybe this is just my lack of trust in emotions speaking, but this is the same as nothing to me. it's a pointless act since it doesnt actually have an effect.

im well aware that prayers arent stuff like
>let me win the lottery
or
>give me a nice car
even so you're saying that most people dont expect prayer to do anything, then why do it? doesnt it debunk all of religion so have such a central aspect be worthless?

it is beyond me to see how one would feel the need and motivation to pray expecting it to do nothing.

>>38662364
>Im pretty sure you missed 90% of my posts today

If you backlink men to the ones you want a response to I will respond to them.

>>38662443

Why don't you study like I was supposed to do? I'd be scared to see you as a therapist, but for everyone out there with low empathy, you'd be perfect, for as long as you don't see your own stuff in them and turn them into Power Edge Lords.

>>38662364
>marathon
im a bit like this as well. though i was never that into self harm. i find the endurance part is more rewarding it gives me some sort of sense of achievement.

>feet have been hurting since fall
>every step hurts
>go on a 4 hour walk

>>38662476
>Completeness, hope, confidence that the universe was good, redemption of my past, hers, and everything.
Fuck that hits too close to home Nick. To quote my ex before we dated, "I'd never cheat on a guy, I know how bad that hurts."

>>38662711
It's a nice idea, but I don't think I have the capability and I'd likely tire of it.

>>38662588
I just think of shit that pisses me off or I come across a post or some news that ticks me off and I just get really angry. Or you know how there's that one co-worker you really dislike and you imagine yourself kicking the shit out of them or putting them down or something? It's like that but much worse. I'm an unusual case, I know.

>>38662514
>So if you have two people, one is intelligent and one is very stupid and they both put in the same amount of time into practice, is there only going to be small difference between them?

I know stupid people who beat me at chess, and I don't consider myself stupid. Intelligence isn't a monolithic thing. The brain is extremely complex.

People don't learn at the same speed either. You might think it's easily predictable, but you'd be surprised. Some students I have I'd imagine would be bad at a new thing, and they turn out to be better, for no obvious reason.

>>38662514
>It's like with height. Women don't say it, but being bald is considered unattractive. Surely you're not gonna deny that?

Of course I am. Bruce Willis in the 90's? He wasn't even muscular or anything, he was very average, and women loved him. The Rock has no hair, John Statham has no hair, Jude Law has no hair, Tarantino has a horrible Nicolas Cage my hair is a bird hair style, Nicolas Cage never had much hair, and all these men are considered attractive and women wet for them, so yes, I am fucking going to deny that! Women don't say it because they don't think it.

Here's another example of your BS:

>Women call short men "manlets" because they're direspectful bitches
>Women don't say anything about bald men because reasons, but they don't like them, trust me

>>38662466
See what the doctor tells you
Maybe youll get some comforting news

>if you write your shit on the wall then you have to hide the wall instead of just a part of yourself.

Not if its a wall in your place where you live alone

>>38662670
Forget it, Im getting tired anyway, Ill probably go play the new DOOM or something

>>38662514
>Not really. You will have wider shoulders, but some guys have very wide shoulders without working out too much. Wider than many guys who do work out. If a guy with narrow shoulders puts on muscle, you can still tell by the shape of his shoulders and he is still smaller.

If you think something like shoulder width is the way to a woman's heart and pussy, I am not surprised you never found either. Trust me, it's not how you go to either.

>Oh well. I'm pretty sure I insulted someone here who you said was a woman.

Yes, the original Charlie, as I said. And you were dead, dead wrong about her, so fucking wrong it still pains me to this day.

>This is funny as fuck. First you say how intelligence isn't affected that much by genes and then when I say it is, you now agree with me and use it against me?

That's because I'm using your frame of reference, Dan... I'm not changing my mind, I'm pointing out that you don't make sense in YOUR OWN frame of reference!

>>38662783
>I know stupid people who beat me at chess, and I don't consider myself stupid. Intelligence isn't a monolithic thing. The brain is extremely complex.
Well yeah, I know one guy who is autistic (not in a meme way but really mentally disabled) but it's fucking impossible to beat him at chess. Is that really relevant though? I believe that intelligence translates mostly to your mental capacity. If you are smart, you're gonna be able to do most things well.

>all these men are considered attractive and women wet for them, so yes, I am fucking going to deny that!
All these men also have extremely high status and a shitload of money. Something that most men will never accomplish.

>Women don't say anything about bald men because reasons, but they don't like them, trust me
Point is women actually do say things about bald men. Not usually to their face though, that's the thing.

>>38662657
>holy shit, is there a name for this or atleast something to google? i would love for this to be real, it's like real life WH40k.

GOogle stuff like "mass group thinking experiment" and weather stuff. George Noory, whom I don't like, or maybe even Art Bell, stopped doing those because it spooped them.

> it's a pointless act since it doesnt actually have an effect.

People spend intimate time thinking about you. That should give you some feels.

>>38662657
>even so you're saying that most people dont expect prayer to do anything, then why do it? doesnt it debunk all of religion so have such a central aspect be worthless?

99% of the time I prayed was to feel one with God. Wordless prayers, unless I used my rosary, but then the words were used mostly to empty my mind so I could feel one with God. I miss this very much and only my absence of faith prevents me from praying again, especially as I found my rosary again.

>it is beyond me to see how one would feel the need and motivation to pray expecting it to do nothing.

Feeling better when you feel bad was a huge motivation.

Lol I kind of just want to die today.
I think I don't even have enough energy left to be cynical.

>>38662821
>If you think something like shoulder width is the way to a woman's heart and pussy, I am not surprised you never found either. Trust me, it's not how you go to either.
Well it is a part of looks. A big one. Whenever I mention any part of looks, you just focus on that one and try to pretend like it's the only thing that can matter. It's a part of a bigger picture.

>Yes, the original Charlie, as I said. And you were dead, dead wrong about her, so fucking wrong it still pains me to this day.
I didn't know there was a new Charlie, or that I even insulted him honestly. Good to know.

>That's because I'm using your frame of reference, Dan... I'm not changing my mind, I'm pointing out that you don't make sense in YOUR OWN frame of reference!
Well, what do you want me to say? I do not think of myself as extremely dumb. If I take the effort I put in at school and see the results I had, I'm actually sure I have better cognitive abilities than the average person. That I never denied.

>>38662880
>I think I don't even have enough energy left to be cynical.
For me these are the comfiest of times. When I'm just completely out of energy. I'm incredibly tired and yet I feel rested and at peace. It's hard to explain.

>>38662771

The first isn't a fantasy, and the second is, even if it's violent. I have imagined that and even used it here as "dark therapy". It's experimental but it works.

How long do you spend thinking about hurting people?

>>38662797
>Forget it,

Welp, looks like I'm good to ctrl F that stuff.

>>38662560
Can't argue that.

True, but we were all raised on "golden rule" and all that.

I said nigger only because he was. Well is. Pants-saggin fro-picked weed-dealing stereotype. Dad and Mom angrily fought for weeks over whether to allow her to date him or not.

>>38662961
>How long do you spend thinking about hurting people?
I'm bipolar and can switch between my moods in an instant. I'd say several hours once every 2-3 days. I've been training my mind so that I don't really do that but it's hard.

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>>38662797
intelligent me is pretty sure everything will be fine, emotional me wont believe if even if i see the results. i'd think we missed something, that there must me something else that's wrong.
im usually torn like that, reason and emotion doesnt work together in me, pic related.

>Not if its a wall in your place where you live alone
well you never know when someone might decide to come by. the fact that it can happen is enough to set me off

>>38659451

There's this one, but I read it and since it had two responses already and the conversation was ongoing, I kept reading.

Although I missed the bottom part:

>>38659451
>Not really, guess I just got hit with reality of life when I started growing up
>Also started drinking alot and smoking too in that time

Can you connect these to specific events?

The rest are songs, and I responded to the drawing one. I responded to 80% of your posts, and the ones I didn't respond to had no obvious material to respond to.

is it rude or weird to laugh in public?I've been trying to stifle my laughs

>>38663121
Depends on the setting
>message brought to you by /tg/

>>38662876
>People spend intimate time thinking about you
but it doesnt DO anything. they can say they will pray for me and then dont, i wouldnt be able to tell the difference. it will just be faking it.
a nice gesture, one that i wont allow to affect me since i dont trust it.

>>38662876
>99% of the time I prayed was to feel one with God
this is a new angle for me, makes it seem a bit less unreasonable. though im sceptical as to using it as a way to feel better, it's just escapism isnt it? using prayer is just the same as using vidya.

what made you lose your faith?

>>38662855
>Well yeah, I know one guy who is autistic (not in a meme way but really mentally disabled) but it's fucking impossible to beat him at chess. Is that really relevant though?

Absolutely. He will be dumb at some things and intelligent at others. >>38662855
>I believe that intelligence translates mostly to your mental capacity. If you are smart, you're gonna be able to do most things well.

That's exactly what your own example shows is wrong.

That's also why you can't guess if an intelligent kid will be good at maths or not.

>All these men also have extremely high status and a shitload of money. Something that most men will never accomplish.

I'll Danrail your ass here; if I had said this, you would respond, "But if you take the Rock and bring an exact copy of him, BUT WITH HAIR, she would go for the one with hair," and you'd be wrong. I am absolutely not convinced that a Rock with hair would be more attractive to women

As to men with money being more successful, do you ever think? For a misogynist, you don't seem to put your ideas together. If all women are whores and rich men attract women, then surely the reasons to be attracted to a rich man aren't good reason. Why would you eny men whose money makes women fool them? Would you like that? That doesn't make sense.

>Point is women actually do say things about bald men. Not usually to their face though, that's the thing.

Literally doesn't happen. Bad hair, yes, bald heads, no. Don't claim you'd know because I doubt you were ever close enough to a woman or group of women to share such gossip. I have.

>>38661896
Except that I am not good at greentexting. Plus usually what annoys me are rather small things, like quirky jokes he makes or his annoying habits. I wish to be accepting, to tolerate others, but with my own father all I can feel is frustration at everything he does.

>>38661896
>Not to keep winning but Dan would prefer being right than being wrong about his world view
I can only imagine it natural to turn cynical when you feel unaccepted and unloved. Society is such an unjust place where those who have any strain of individuality in a way society cannot handle thrown to the curb. Truthfully though I see genetics as a cop-out because that is essentially blaming the parents for society being garbage. If I believed all my problems came from my father abusing me, I would be blaming my genetics, and then I would just be another Dan. Not my fault I am not a master manipulator who cannot play the games society expects me to play. Dan's folly is his determination to get a family when he doesn't even know why he wants one. As far as I figure, it is for social status, Dan is obsessed with social status and yet is at the bottom of the ladder. He keeps complaining the ladder is too high when he could simply walk away.

>>38661908
I don't know, that part where Noah's Ark made the Kessel Run in only a couple parsecs was quite amazing.

>>38662081
Tfw I need to become the ultimate psychologist for the psychologist by remaining stubborn.

>>38662187
It does feel meaningless, I just don't see the connection. How do you see more than what you see?

>>38663213
please try to greentext, in the past things you've seen as minor have turned out to be really massive. i'd love to read more stories.

>>38662926
>Well it is a part of looks. A big one.

Most men are rated 2 out of 5 for women, meaning they don't care much about looks.

>>38662926
>you just focus on that one and try to pretend like it's the only thing that can matter. It's a part of a bigger picture.

That's what you do. You do it with your height, penis size (even though I wonder how women can see that).

>I didn't know there was a new Charlie, or that I even insulted him honestly. Good to know.

The hell? The Charlie you insulted was a woman. The Charlie that's been coming here for over a month isn't that woman. It's another Charlie who is a man. You didn't insult him, you insulted the woman Charlie.

>>38662926
>Well, what do you want me to say?

That you have good genetics.

>>38663008

So why did she cheat?

>thinking about life, what I want my future to be like, my friends and family
>inferiority complex keeps screaming everyone is better than me and that i should just give up trying to be successful in life in general
>feeling of dread that is hard to describe followed by hot flashes and sweating
>have two therapists for different issues respectively
>however autistic it may be, i'm not telling them about my self hate and suicidal ideation because even with them I feel like I don't want to bother them. i have tried to talk about it before but i just cannot express myself well enough to explain anything

sorry for sounding melodramatic

>>38663208
>Absolutely. He will be dumb at some things and intelligent at others.
The point is, he is an outlier. He is only this way because his brain is malformed. Other stupid people will be pretty much bad at everything. Only less bad at some things.

>That's also why you can't guess if an intelligent kid will be good at maths or not.
I'm pretty sure that anyone really intelligent could get good at maths. Or anything they put their time in.

>If all women are whores and rich men attract women, then surely the reasons to be attracted to a rich man aren't good reason. Why would you eny men whose money makes women fool them? Would you like that? That doesn't make sense.
And here we are again. Point is, you think there is a "good" reason woman is with a man. You call it love or attraction or whatever. If she's not with him for his money, she's with him for his height, for his looks, for his penis. All the shit about harmony or a good fit, all the shit about hobbies and understand are based on primal attraction. Of course women will then say (even men actually) how they are with the other person for understanding or whatever, but this is only a result of the primal attraction.

>Don't claim you'd know because I doubt you were ever close enough to a woman or group of women to share such gossip. I have.
I haven't. But we have the internet now. And saying that all the women on the internet who complain about bald men are actually male trolls is just a hairlets cope.

>>38663158
How about a bus stop or on the bus? usually it's kind of quiet but I accidently let out a giggle when something silly gets posted here.

>>38663028
>I'm bipolar and can switch between my moods in an instant.

Then you're not bipolar, my man. Those cycles are way, way too short for bipolarity, and bipolar disorder isn't a personality disorder. Bipolar cycles happen for no reason and last from 3 weeks to several months, you don't switch them like that.

You probably have BPD instead. Those people can switch moods like that, I've seen it.

>>38663264
>Most men are rated 2 out of 5 for women, meaning they don't care much about looks.
Or it means that they think most men are very ugly and only really want Chads. Of course you will choose the more "positive" explanation.

>That's what you do. You do it with your height, penis size (even though I wonder how women can see that).
Well yes. The point is to compensate for for example height you have to put in so much effort. And that's my whole point.

>The hell? The Charlie you insulted was a woman. The Charlie that's been coming here for over a month isn't that woman. It's another Charlie who is a man. You didn't insult him, you insulted the woman Charlie.
Fair enough.

>That you have good genetics.
Not with my height, dick size and looks.

>>38663188
>but it doesnt DO anything.

Uh, yeah it does. If someone I know spends time on me, I'm honored. It gives me feels, that does something.

>>38663188
>one that i wont allow to affect me since i dont trust it.

A woman could give you a kiss and say she loves you, if you don't trust her, it won't make you feel loved, but that's not her fault.

>>38663188
>this is a new angle for me, makes it seem a bit less unreasonable. though im sceptical as to using it as a way to feel better, it's just escapism isnt it? using prayer is just the same as using vidya.

I wouldn't call feeling better a form of escapism. It's a form of meditation but God-centered. It's self-care. I used to pray in bed. I fell asleep with my rosary in my hand. Lo would take it from me and place it on my bedside chair. She was raised Catholic and liked my interest in faith. We would argue a lot about God, she being the atheist, oddly. When I lost my faith, she was very sad. So was I. I really miss Christ a whole lot.

>>38663188
>what made you lose your faith?

If I have to give a short answers: Catholics, the false prophecies of Christ and Saint Paul.

>>38663213
>Plus usually what annoys me are rather small things,

Bring it on, baby.

>>38661981
>how can one accept that faith and in particular prayers have an actual effect on the real world? this was the real dealbreaker for me, when the people in church asked if they could pray for me. it confused me and i didnt realize they saw it like helping me out until the next day.
The answer is in your question, as much as you may or may not like it. You have to -believe- it will. To believe in an omnipotent creator, you have to also believe he knows your thoughts and actions, your desires and sins. He knows your limits, and everyone elses' as well.

>also it bothers me immensely when the captcha asks me to click on a parachute and then forces me to click a parasail
Use legacy captcha, it's much better. I can't stand clicking 30 streetsigns.

>>38663352
That should be fine. If you're on your phone most people in public won't mind. Hell most won't even notice, as they're doing the same thing. As long as its not loud obnoxious laughing.

>>38663305
If only I knew. In the breakup argument I never got a straight answer. Closest I got was, "You're so fucking depressing all the time."
NO FUCKING SHIT I WAS UPSET, I'D WATCHED A MAN DIE AND WAS STILL BLAMING MYSELF FOR IT. Not like she ever tried to, you know, comfort me about it or try to help me through it or anything. Just acted like nothing was wrong, like usual.

>>38663357
I have literally been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. My moods can last a couple of days but if something upsets me or something good actually happens to me, my mood can switch then and there.

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>>38663040
>Can you connect these to specific events?

Not sure, the biggest change in my life at that moment was braking up ith my gf
The breakup wasnt the bad thing, the relationship was

She was a nice girl but she dreamed of perfect love and shit like that
Every time something went wrong she became crazy
Also she was fucking obsessed with me
Sometimes I caught myself being happy when we had a fight ande didnt talk because I finally had time for myself

She was my first and only gf and I imagined it to be amazing
Instead it was emotional torture

(but she bought me a ticket to Hollywood Undead so yay)

I dont know if this was the starting point but it definetly fucked me up good

>>38663213
>If I believed all my problems came from my father abusing me, I would be blaming my genetics, and then I would just be another Dan.

Abuse isn't genetic. You can blame your father for your problems, yes, but doing that won't help you, which is why it's not important. We're not looking for excuses, we're looking for reasons and trying to get better. Knowing who caused what is important, just so you stop feeling like shit for things that aren't your fault.

>>38663213
>It does feel meaningless, I just don't see the connection. How do you see more than what you see?

You think in ways you haven't tried before.

>>38663254
That is exactly the thing. I forget most minor things with my father because they are minor. If I have DID it would explain my memory, apparently DID has a bad memory.

Sorry to be a disappointment, but I just can't think of anything to even describe. Anything that does annoy me I forget when I leave him. If I remember things I generally try to post them.

>>38663306

Screencap your post, print, show therapists.

Or write it down and give it to them. They need to know.

You're not melodramatic. All these things exist for a reason.

>>38663510
>(but she bought me a ticket to Hollywood Undead so yay)
So I'm not the only metalhead who secretly enjoys Hollywood Undead?

>>38663534
>Abuse isn't genetic
It means it is in you to be an abuser, it means it is in you have these dark traits.

>Just so you stop feeling like shit
See, that is the thing, I just feel like I am a naturally pessimistic person. It is just natural for me to view things negatively and that includes myself. I am not so sure anything caused this to happen, I just have a bad outlook I cannot get rid of.

>>38663534
>Ways you haven't tried before
But if I am getting nothing out of such thoughts? I assume it is just an attempt and we will try a different route?

>>38663448
i cant really accept feels as something. they may be wrong, they may be caused by lies. maybe it's nothing but some equivalent to hallucinations.

>I really miss Christ a whole lot.
im sorry to hear that. but im to caught up in finding faults with missing something that you now dont believe in to be able to relate to your emotions.
wouldnt a lost faith mean that all the good stuff you experience praying was just you fooling yourself?

>>38663349
>The point is, he is an outlier. He is only this way because his brain is malformed. Other stupid people will be pretty much bad at everything. Only less bad at some things.

Makes no difference. Take a less extreme case and you won't know how they'll perform on anything before they actually do.

>>38663349
>I'm pretty sure that anyone really intelligent could get good at maths. Or anything they put their time in.

And maybe they wouldn't, and maybe even if they tried hard it wouldn't work. You're good at maths so you assume everyone is or can be. Imagine being good at maths as being good at empathy. Sometimes when you can't, you can't.

>>38663473
>You have to -believe- it will
this to me is on the same level as pretending to do magic when you were a kid. there's no indication that it's real or that it will work. but you do it not because you want it to work, but because it's fun. which is no problem when you're 5 and goofing around. it is a problem when grown people try to dictate other people lives by these fantasies. and try to solve actual problems with imagination magic

>Use legacy captcha
will look into it

>>38663666
Get thee behind me, Satan. Mislead this flock no longer

>>38663349
>You call it love or attraction or whatever. If she's not with him for his money, she's with him for his height, for his looks, for his penis.

This is so dumb. Your idea of women is so insane. Do you know nothing of love, Dan? Have you ever been in love? You base everything on secondary things like height and dick size, which I guess means your attraction to women is of that sort as well: boob size, slim or fat, too tall, etc. If you could love like a normal person, you'd know there's a lot more to it than just secondary traits that don't matter when you're in love.

And yes, it's not about COMPETITION, it's about COMPATIBILITY.

>All the shit about harmony or a good fit, all the shit about hobbies and understand are based on primal attraction.

Dan knows better than everyone... You know better than people in actual relationships. Well, you don't. It's not about attraction, primal at that. I've fallen in love with women I wasn't attracted to, you know? I only became attracted to them physically after falling in love.

I think you may never have felt that so you don't realise it happens in other people.

It's all about superficial things for you.

>>38663349
>And saying that all the women on the internet who complain about bald men are actually male trolls is just a hairlets cope.

>hairlet

Then how come even men with hair see the same thing? You'd sooner believe trolls on 4chan than women offline. Just look around. Plenty of bald men with women.

You always have any sort of excuse and don't seem to care where they come from.

>>38663666
>Makes no difference. Take a less extreme case and you won't know how they'll perform on anything before they actually do.
Can we back up a little? Let's say this is true, why is it relevant?

>Imagine being good at maths as being good at empathy. Sometimes when you can't, you can't.
That's terrible though.

>>38663398
>Or it means that they think most men are very ugly and only really want Chads. Of course you will choose the more "positive" explanation.

Except women don't necessarily go for pretty boys. What women find sexy isn't what you find sexy in women. You must not realise what women like.

>>38663398
>Well yes. The point is to compensate for for example height you have to put in so much effort. And that's my whole point.

Don't you get tired of your fucking bullshit? You think of relationships like a fucking DM looks at RPG stats. It's so fucking moronic it makes me angry. How the fuck would you even know any of this?

>>38663398
>Not with my height, dick size and looks.

Height is fine, dick is hidden, looks don't matter much. You have no excuse left.

Your problem is your attitude and you know. You're such a woman-hating motherfucker that women at your work don't even talk to you anymore but you have the nerve to blame them for it.