>he isn't a nihilist yet

If nihilism is true it doesn't matter whether someone is a nihilist or not.

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>>38525604
>he doesn't have a wicked sense of humor yet

>>38525604
You like skrillex? Or else you can just G.T.F.O

I'm speaking for all of us

>>38525604
As opposed to what? What else is there other than nihilism? I'm not gonna be religious

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>he isn't black pilled yet

>>38525659
No, convincing others to be nihilist is a nihilist's way of improving the world. If you think nihilist "don't care about anything" or that we seek to do nothing other than live our own lives happily then you don't understand the philosophy.

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>>38525604
>has hasn't grown out of his nihilism phase yet

I remember highschool

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>being spooked by the idea of nihilism

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>>38525604
Nihilism is a hell on earth. We need a purpose.

>>38525752
>he hasn't grown back into his nihilism phase
I remember freshman year of community college

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>>38525785
>he hasn't grown out of his second nihilism phase

I remember senior year at Uni

>>38525778
You can have a purpose, but your purpose is self-driven. Meaning is what you make of it. There is no born purpose, no universal driver. Want to commit suicide? Go ahead, nothing is stopping you. Want to help others and live a life full of value to society? Have fun.

>he hasn't graduated to absurdism yet
Enjoy your edgy teen years

>>38525604
Nihilism is cuck: the philosophy

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>>38525604
>being a nihilist

That must be exhausting.

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>>38525666
This, you most go full smug

>>38525738
But nihilism implies the world cant be improved

>>38525731
Is (was) elliot /ourguy/?

>>38525604
>He hasn't moved past nihilism, to an optimist nihilist, to find his own inner spirit through impressions and abstract art

>>38525604
I accept nihilism but it has given me chronic melancholy to top off my depression. I can't stop thinking about how everything is going to die one day, how I'm going to die one day, how inevitable it is, and how we're just insignificant biological masses with sentience, and nothing else. We are born, we fall, stuck in time, guided by some chemicals in our brain, and we die, lost in nothingness forever and ever. and there is nothing out there. It's all random and chaotic. Suffering and evil is rampant , good and bad is just an illusion and we're all alone in an infinity of entropy. I can't get it out of my fucking head for a second. It's always buzzing there in the back and I just want to sleep forever

>>38525604
I don't care about the thread topic but post more of that cutie please

nihilism would be a good philosophy if morality was truly subjective, but its not and even if it was it would be hard for the masses to accept it because most cannot create their own morals

>>38525938
There are no morals in the first place

>>38525888
Just because I'm a nihilist, doesn't mean I agree with every aspect of what nihilism is supposed to lead me to believe. It's the base for my philosophical view, but it's not confined to it.

>>38525938
How the hell is morality not subjective?

>>38525917
> just insignificant biological masses with sentience
>insignificant

i guess humans have made no impact on the world desu

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Don't give up, there is yet hope.

>>38525888
>nihilism implies the world cant be improved
nowhere in the foundation of the philosophy or has Kierkegaard ever stated or implied that the world can't change

>>38525604
Nihilism may be the truth, but society will kill you if don't say otherwise. So unless you are looking to be killed, keep it to your self.

People misunderstand nihilism's base declaration that because things have no intrinsic value that things can no longer have value at all. Just because we are not born with a predisposition to do things beyond our biological nature does not mean we can no longer assign value to something.

I believe that I have a purpose in aiding the betterment of my society. I was not born with this purpose nor do I believe I should be confined by it forever. But I still believe it.

I think the peak of intellectuallism is to realize that everything that is not material doesn't exist and therefore doesn't matter.
This is why when I read about all these philosophers I think how stupid they are.

>>38525963
>>38525956
morality is a biological factor. If youve read any studies of Jane Goodall you would know that it is the chimp that cares for his group and leads them that is the alpha. if that chimp is a tyrant and tries to rule with strength he will literally get torn apart.

nihilism is also disproven by the arguments of Universally preferable behavior. in a world where choices are near infinite for a species to survive if must make choices that are universally preferable to any other (i.e, eating istead of starving yourself). evolution itself is proof of universally preferable behavior, if there were no choices that were preferable to any other than a species would never evolve to best suit its environment.

>>38526085
what about numbers? are those real? how can you prove that numbers arent real?

>>38526096
>if that chimp is a tyrant and tries to rule with strength he will literally get torn apart
This is placing value on the idea of not getting torn apart, similarly all your examples place arbitrary value where there is none inherently.

nihlism is so fucking cringe dude

>haha we understand the universe so well that we know that nothing matters! xDddd

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>>38526041
>he thinks aiding his society isnt the result of a biological factor

>>38526085
The material value itself hinges on it not being a Demiurge creation, although one could argue that the material, whether real or not, simply is.

i was on a shitload of acid last night and op's pic looked extremely fucked up, like all warpy and anime with stuff moving in the background. comforting to see the real pic.

im already a nihilist :)

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>the sophists were right all along and western civilization got duped by Plato and his successors

>>38526219
lmfao

the platonists is honestly so fucking accurate. The allegory of the cave is some shit a neckbeard would come up with desu

>>38526165
youre implying that non-human animals dont place values. if your dog didnt have values that are inherent through biological factors, then it wouldn't eat and would instead chase after animals. but it does have a biological value on eating and surviving, and thats why it is alive.

>>38526219
This is why I've always found H.P Lovecraft's work especially interesting. Excellent example, even though fictional, on the limitations of the human mind.

>>38526181
well then that just supports nihilism even more -shrug-

>>38526096
that's the point, morality is completely subjective on your perceived importance of our biological nature

Lets say that humans one day embrace posthumanism and transfer our consciousness to robots or computers. Will the concepts of morality be the same then? Does this support a form of universal ethical behavior?

>>38526119
Are you using numbers to take away my gay weed?

>>38526302
Its a problem of perception and confirmation bias, you see those things and say it must be correct because you value the idea of survival, you don't see suicidal or other deleterious behavior and that could be a biological inherent and say that is correct now do you?

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MY MOTHER FUCKING GOD ALL YOUR STUPID KIDS AND YOUR NIHILISM!

Deerr the world is nothing. Buddy, I got words for you. You are meaningless, irrelevant. The world cannot be nothing, because it is here! I see it right infront of me and you are telling me it is nothing? Don't project your insecurities into your philosophies. watch some Kirk era Star Trek, you may learn something.

Or you know, stop being some depressive fag thinking his emotions have hold on this world.

>>38526165
>not getting torn apart isn't valuable
Give me one good reason we shouldn't hang postmodernist subhumans

>>38526514
>, you see those things and say it must be correct because you value the idea of survival

youre missing my point, im saying without the interference of human society animals still have a biological will to survive and place value on that will with UPB

> you don't see suicidal or other deleterious behavior and that could be a biological inherent and say that is correct now do you

no i dont because in most cases it is a chemical imbalance that causes suicidal behavior. it is also the case that many people come upon depression because of a neurotic personality, which is also biological.

>>38525868
Oreganolly Underrated comment

>>38525778
Purpose also has its downsides. Camus talks about how if you have a goal a short rest becomes a sin of procrastination. However if there is no purpose, a nap is just a nap

>>38525888
Nihilism doesn't imply anything at all
All it does is state that there is no objective meaning. That's it.

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>>38525980
This image is so stupid

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it pretty much boils down to this

>>38526618
Star Trek follows a nihilist attitude

>circlejerking about how life is meaningless and there is nothing after death like it's some kind of genius new discovery and you're unique for knowing
why do people refer to nihilism like it's some kind of religion?

>>38527338
Because kids want to validate there laziness.

>>38527262
Yeah thanks for pointing that out.

Like I said, Watch some Kirk era Star Trek and you might learn something.

>>38525604
Nihilism is a bridge

>>38527338
>>38527351
>I don't understand nihilism

>>38527587
Tell me more on how kids validating laziness is Nihilism. Heck even the guy who came up with Nihilism looks down on these fag.s

>>38525604
Nihilism leads to moral decay, therefore it's dangerous. Read Crime and Punishment.

>>38527619
because Nihilism has literally nothing to do with "hey bros, nothing has meaning therefore lets not do anything all day!"

>>38527644
Moral decay is irrelevant.

>>38527713
No, it's entirely relevant to the survival of civilization.

>>38527644
>>38527713
not only is it irrelevant, nihilism is a philosophy held by a minority compared to many other beliefs and look at the world as it is; it's not that good

>tfw too nihilistic for nihilism
If everything is without meaning nihilism is too

>>38527703
But that is what kids use it for. And I am pointing that out. Infact that is what most of this thread is. Kids using Nihlism to validate there laziness.

>>38527779
ok? I use Christianity to validate murder therefore Christianity is bad.

>>38527730
>nihilism is a philosophy held by a minority compared to many other beliefs and look at the world as it is; it's not that good

That's a pessimist and not all pessimists are nihilists. Nihilists are just too stupid to understand that meaning is essentially philosophical aether, only those with proper understanding of themselves as a conscious being and the material and metaphysical reality they encompass can truly realize.

>>38527721
Survival of civilization is irrelevant.

>>38527817
The fuck does Christianity have to do with any of this?

>>38527844
It showcases how retarded your statement is. I can use anything to validate anything, that doesn't give me a reason to hate on everything.

>>38527841
To you, because you're an edgy retard. But you enjoy civilization and the internet too much for me to take you seriously.

Other people on the other hand have things to live for and don't actively try to destroy civilization. Knowingly that it.

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>>38527822
>too stupid to understand that meaning is essentially philosophical aether
>meaning is philosophical aether
>literally what nihilism concludes

>>38527876
>have things to live for
nihilists have things to live for

>>38527856
But kids literally use Nihilism has a scapegoat for there laziness. Do you not understand what I am saying? But what is your argument what are you trying to defend here? I have trouble grasping at what your meaning is.

What are you trying to defends the use of kids using nihilism to validate their laziness or what?

>>38527919
I'm not defending the use. I'm saying you are trying to find flaws in nihilism by proxy instead of approaching the philosophy itself.

You are being retarded.

>>38527895
You make your own meaning you fucking dumb ass, and there could be an objective reason for us to even be alive and on this planet, let alone being conscious beings with sensory experience.

Tell me exactly how meaning doesn't exist if you can make your own meaning? If that meaning not true? Who is the judge of that?

>>38527911
Not when you couldn't give a fuck if civilization crumbles (which 99% of you do care about.)

>>38527940
Well there are flaws. Are oyu saying that there are not flaws?

>>38527955
There are flaws in the philosophy and anyone can attempt to find them and explain those flaws if they so please. >>38527919 is not an attempt. It's attacking people who either believe or misunderstand nihilism as an attempt to attack nihilism. It's not effective at all.

>>38527954
>meaning doesn't exist
nihilism does not state this at all

Water not having the inherent property of coldness does not mean water can't be cold. Life not having any inherent purpose does not mean it can't have purpose.

>>38527980
But Nihilism is nothing, I can't attack it.

>>38527644
Moral decay leads to people discovering Nihilism, people and society were already corrupt.

>>38528006
You misunderstand nihilism then.

>>38528028
But the very definition os nihilism rejects nihilism right? Bring me down the rabbit hole of nihilism please. Teach me something.

>>38525778
You can have purpose and be a nihilist. You're confusing nihilim with disillusionment.

Nihilism is the belief that nothing has an intrinsic purpose and that we are all the product of random chance. I am a nihilist and enjoy life because that is my self attained purpose, you can have a self designated purpose without it being intrinsic.

>>38528001
>>38528065
>you can have purpose or meaning, but it isn't real

Really though, how do you people function on a daily basis?

>>38528050
Explain to me how nihilism rejects nihilism

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>>38528086
>nihilism does not state this at all
>YEAH BUT STILL???

>>38528087
the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless Copy and pasted from the first definition of google.

If nihilism is the belief that everything is nothing. Then isn't nihilism nothing aswell?

>>38528086
You're generalising what I said. Real is subjective, you're getting into rocky philosophical territory there. I said that you can have a purpose, it just isn't a purpose that destiny or god or whatever has thrust upon you. It isn't intrinsic. You can have a none-intrinsic purpose and it will be as real as you feel it to be. That is why I said you are confusing nihilism with disillusionment. Nihilism doesn't mean you hate anything, it just means you don't think life has a meaning like life is a story book.

>>38528125
>everything is nothing
the very definition you stated does not include 'everything'

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>>38528102
Do you know how fucking broad nihilism is? Nihilists for the most part do reject all forms of inherent or contrived purpose or meaning and for the most part of militant atheists.

To believe there is no inherent meaning to life or the universe, you have to believe the universe was spontaneously created by nothing without purpose, which is something you cannot prove.

>>38528176
>and for the most part are militant atheists

>>38528154
KK, thanks for pointing that out.

>>38528102
Can someone tell me what emotion this face is conveying? I have autism

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>>38528176
ok? and you can't prove that universe was created with purpose

so...

>>38528176
>contrived purpose or meaning and for the most part of militant atheists.
I can see what you are trying to do and I am just going to call you out on it.

You are sneakily trying to expand what has been said into something more extreme and I do not approve of it. Nihilists can HAVE purpose, they just do not believe it is destined, preordained or otherwise inherent. The militant part is also just you projecting.

>>38528225
I'm not the one making claims about the nature of reality based on presuppositions.

>>38528176
>>38528225
>>38528244
Nihilism isn't science, so there goes that argument.

>>38528230
>Nihilists can HAVE purpose, they just do not believe it is destined, preordained or otherwise inherent.

Based on what?

>>38528257
Nihilists make claims about reality and being so they have to back up their positions with evidence.

>>38528281
based on the foundation of nihilism as set up by kierkegaard?

>>38528281
>Nihilists make claims about reality and being so they have to back up their positions with evidence.
No they don't because nihilism is conjecture like all philosophical doctrines. All you can do is offer counter arguments but you will never be able to "disprove" it because that is not how philosophy works.

>>38528281
>Based on what?
Nigger, I have a career. That is my purpose. I don't pretend the universe gave me my job though.

>>38528304
But how can you prove to me right now that God doesn't have a purpose for us?

>>38528310
>No they don't because nihilism is conjecture like all philosophical doctrines.
Shitty conjecture that damages moral philosophy. We already seen what came of this in the 19th century, let's not repeat it.

>>38528328
You pretend to know the universe wasn't created though, don't you?

>>38528331
>It's shitty because I say so
Nice none argument.

>>38528350
I never claimed to "know" the universe wasn't created. Stop putting words in my mouth. I believe the universe wasn't created. I am an agnostic atheist.

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>>38528331
>back to the moral decay argument

>>38525872
Correct, finally someone gets it

>>38528364
You're a nihilist who believes life have no intrinsic meaning of value but also don't know if God made you and the universe in a valuable and meaningful way.

>>38528374
Definitely Moral Nihilists do in fact damage all notions of morality on the basis of saying they're man-made and therefore pointless and meaningless.

Pick and choose morality is how you get someone like Raskolnikov.

>>38525920
This. I joined this thread for the cutie.

>>38528420
>You're a nihilist who believes life have no intrinsic meaning of value but also don't know if God made you and the universe in a valuable and meaningful way.
And that is apparently hard to understand. I don't know if God made me, I don't believe he made me though. I can't prove he didn't but I think the idea is nonsense and has no weight. You are once again trying to sneak my argument toward the extreme and I am not going to let you.

I am a nihilist, I believe life has no intrinsic purpose and that we were not created or otherwise born with a predestined path. I do however believe in enjoying life because it is temporary and I believe in morals because committing crimes against your fellow men makes no sense on a self preservative level. I don't want to spend what little life I have in jail or dead.

>Definitely Moral Nihilists do in fact damage all notions of morality on the basis of saying they're man-made and therefore pointless and meaningless.
Stop that at once. Nihilism does not bear weight on self preservation. Nihilists do not want to kill and rape everybody. You are now conflating nihilists with hedonists which is also wrong.

>>38528518
You're clearly being difficult around the Moral Nihilism thing. I'm not saying nihilists want to kill and rape people, I'm saying those nihilists don't care if that person is killed or murdered. Morality doesn't exist and that guy was just a meaty flesh bag.

That's what Moral Nihilism is. Please for the love of God, read Crime and Punishment.

>>38528564
>Morality doesn't exist and that guy was just a meaty flesh bag.
Well, that's exactly what he is. No need to sugarcoat things, pal.

>>38528591
>that's exactly what he is, nothing else, nope. Don't ask me to prove he doesn't have a purpose on Earth or a soul, I'm not that stupid.

>>38528564
>I'm saying those nihilists don't care if that person is killed or murdered
Also wrong because empathy is not a spiritual function, it is a biological function. Dogs don't believe in god but they feel bad if they see a human in pain.

>>38528486
>>38525920
She has an Instagram and a Discord
https://www.instagram.com/machamarrow/

>>38528614
You're making an awful lot of claims here on other people's behalf, I'm starting to think you're just being provocative.

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>>38528627
Try again bud

>>38528651
I didn't say a human was JUST a meaty flesh bag, you said that.

>>38528657
You're trying to argue that the belief nothing is inherently unethical some means nihilists belief morals don't exist. I believe morals exist as I have already stated, I just don't believe God gave us morals. I believe in self preservation and morals based on self preservation lead humans to not want to commit crimes against each other for fear they will lose their lives.

Stop trying to twist everything around.

>>38528676
I'm not that guy, but you said
>that's exactly what he is, nothing else, nope. Don't ask me to prove he doesn't have a purpose on Earth or a soul, I'm not that stupid.
Which was pedantic.

>>38528715
But your beliefs are based on absolutely nothing, it's essentially faith. It's not my fault you're lumped in with the rest of the moral delinquents, but that comes with the territory.

>>38528742
I can't tell if you're being purposely retarded. You seem to have me confused with yourself. I'm making no claims about the nature of being or reality, you on the other hand are with this>>38528591

Can you actually explain and prove to me that's exactly that he is? Is that all he is?

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>He's a nihilist

How does it feel to have your whole personality and views on the world on the internet culture?

>HEY BRAH, NUFFIN MATTERS BRA! SO SMART BRAH!

>>38528744
>But your beliefs are based on absolutely nothing
It doesn't fucking matter how are you not getting this holy shit. Yes it is essentially faith because it has no scientific basis, like twice now I've said that nihilism isn't science, but it also isn't religion. Religion is the blind belief in a doctrine, philosophy is a rough system of conjecture designed to tackle questions too big for science. Nihilism is just one of these systems. It makes the most sense to some people, I happen to be one of those people.

>It's not my fault you're lumped in with the rest of the moral delinquents, but that comes with the territory.
Okay so you're definitely just looking for a fight, so I'm going to let the shit posters take over since that is apparently the level of discussion you want.

>>38528776
I'm not making claims about the nature of reality either, you are making claims about the nature of reality on behalf of people in a deliberately provocative way because you are just looking for an argument.

>>38528881
Of course I'm looking for a fight. Nihilism is dangerous hogwash and should be squashed wherever it's promoted. Nihilism goes hand in hand with neo-Atheism and it's essentially it's own religion at this point.

Nobody wants the Soviet Union 2.0.

>>38528940
How does it feel to know the vast majority of people are actually nihilists but don't realise what they believe is nihilism.

;--)

>>38525731

i have become genuinely interested in reading elliots books after reading that, where can i find it?

>>38528992
I'd wager the vast majority of people actually aren't nihilists and I'd like to see some data on that, but if that's what makes you secure in your system of non-beliefs then whatever works.

More and more person are becoming traditionalists and conservatives everyday, how does that make YOU feel?

>>38525967
and where is that impact going to be after heat death?

>>38529046
>traditionalism and conservativism
That's quite pathetic. Now fuck off back to /pol/.

>>38529357
>That's quite pathetic.
Now why is that?

>>38529131
Countering anything with "but the universe won't exist in a couple trillion years!" is pants-on-head level retarded. Nobody ought to give a shit about the heat death of the universe. We're alive now, the impact we can have on the world will be one we can see the effects of in our lifetime. Just because it's all going to disappear trillions of years from now doesn't make it any less meaningful in this moment.

Nihilism is the ultimate truth. Take yourself outside the human experience. You are no more important tot he universe than a rock

>>38529375
>letting other people and tradition dictate your values
>thinking that these values are anything more than a social construct
>thinking that "saving" the civilization is either good or bad
Yes, it's quite pathetic.

>>38529539
Not quite as pathetic as "nothing matters bro, might as well tear it all down we're all gonna die in a billion years anyway BIG FREEZE dude."

>>38529411
Yeah sure, but that's sentimental semantics at this point. You can think whatever you want, 'significance' is a personal judgement made by an individual.
When it comes to anon saying we're "insignificant biological masses with sentience" the counter-response that "we do have significance" doesn't really help anyone with the depression and existsntial dread that typically comes with the above realization. In the end; all the things we did were mostly to fix all the fuck ups we made in the first place. We're problem solvers, we create them and we solve them to some extent and this has been repeating thoughout history.

Humans are significant to humans and humans only.
Animals dont care about our acheivements, nature doesnt care, planets dont care, stars don't care.

You could argue that humans only need to be significant to humans to be satisfied, and I would agree with that. But once again this thought doesnt erase the existsntial dread that naturally leads to nihilistic thoughts.

>>38529651
Pathetic or not, it's true. Your existence is just a moment preceded and succeeded by infinity. But if you ask me, not having to make up meanings and meta narratives because you can actually deal with the fact that you're insignificant is pretty alpha.

>>38529751
>Your existence is just a moment preceded and succeeded by infinity.
You literally can't even prove this to be true.

>>38529651
I think it's pathetic how your spirit crumbles the moment when someone tells how insignificant we are in the vastness of the universe.
There's victories to be won and things to strive for, even in a tiny pond.

>>38525604
>not living a philosophy of own instead

>>38529851
I think it's pathetic you're falling on presuppositions and promote them as objective fact.

>>38529905
It is fact. It's infallible

>>38529905
It's just knowledge, probabilities and hypotheses based on our accumulative scientific knowledge, not really presuppositions.
And I obviously keep the door cracked for revision, unlike you.

>>38528648

that's just some other slut

>>38529767
Well yes, it's a bit of a tacky subject (and that "preceded" part is rather questionable), but I think it's quite a reasonable assumption.
Time is the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present and the future, regarded as a whole. So, as long as something exists, time will exist. Sure, maybe it won't be infinite, we can't prove that, but it'll long enough to make human life completely irrelevant.
If anything, The Big Bang happened 13.7 billion years ago. Those 50-60 years that you call your life span are so fucking irrelevant.

>>38529767
not him but does that even matter?

unless youre vouching for reincarnation or something

Matter of the fact is, there is no facts

Does that matter?

Nihilists are ungrateful pricks
You don't see anyone with actual problems running around going like "hurr durr nothing matters"
Starving children in Africa believe in right and wrong, because they've seen it
Meanwhile you fuckers go around reaping the benefits of society without putting anything in yourself, even going so far as to base your entire philosophy on why that's ok
Die in a pit you fucking nihilists

>>38526219
Homer > Plato

>I'm 15 and read a wikipedia article on the topic of nihilism
grow up, kiddo

>21 have a degree in STEM
>Have done internship during my college years
>good CV + degree = career
>have a gf from college
> 3 years later
>saved money for a house
>three months later proposed to my gf
>married last year during summer

Life is great. Why should I turned towards nihilism? Fucking autist, I swear.

>>38530289
Nihilism doesn't mean you hate life or are unable to enjoy things, anon.

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>>38525604
>implying living nihilists exist
None who truly believe in nihilism continue to live.
99% of those who call themselves nihilists are nothing of the sort.
It's the most hideously misunderstood philosophical topic of all time. Nietzsche himself went halfway mad over he could explain in detail why his philosophy was ANTI-nihilistic and people would just respond with "durr but it's still nihilism."

So it's a garbage philosophy. Especially considering it produces no change in behavior or thought after adopting it.

In order to be meaningful at all, a given philosophy must have some impact on at least the individual level. Nihilism doesn't even meet that low bar, while other philosophies, like stoicism, have shaped empires and historich epochs.

Aurelius' stoic virtue was a significant part of why he was "the last good emperor" and the lack of that virtue in his son is a major part of why the decline was so tremendous during his reign.

Make Aurelius a nihilist and the only change is produced not by the presence of nihilism, but by the absence of his stoic virtue.
Make Commodus a nihilist and absolutely nothing changes.

Nihilism is inconsequential in the literal sense. Garbage.

>>38530357
No, it means ridding one's self of all responsibility, because you're a fucking whimp.

>>38526119
Grab your nuts

How many are in the your sack?

>>38530254
That's probably the reason for how most of the people saying nihilists are that they are 'ungrateful fucks' or 'autists' or 'people time bombs waiting to off because apparently theres no point in anything'
argue in these threads.

>>38526181
Tribes who aid one another outlive tribes who don't, who outlive tribes that prey on themselves.

Therefore, natural selection has favored what we call "morality". That is, it has favored altruistic, supportive, and trust-building behaviors in animals that improve outcomes for individuals by improving the status of communities as a whole.

Solitary animals do not have "morals", but social animals suddenly understand when, for example, one of their own is cheated out food by a zoological researcher. The social animals will begin taking turns sharing their own food with the member of their troop that has been deprived in the experiment, improving outcomes for the troop overall even though every individual in the troop aside from the one being cheated must suffer in order to raise the test animal out of a state of deprivation.

Likewise, infants have concepts of fairness and justice a priori.

>>38530479
most self-proclaimed "nihilists" are actually children thinking how hip they are, because "DUDE LIFE HAS NO OBJECTIVE MEANING LMAO". Nihilism, along with stoicism, is baby's first philosophy and people calling themselves as ones should be mocked.

>>38526302
Values are derived from cognitive belief, not from biological instinct

>>38530425
Nihilism rejects any objective worth to this existence, and only that, not subjective responsibility, you goof.
>>38530546
So you are saying philosophical doctrine is laughworthy the moment some kids learn about it and use it wrong?

>>38530635
Dostoevsky said more than enough on this topic

>>38530777
Trips confirms Dostoevsky is a genius.

>>38528281
Nihilism, like atheism is a lack of belief. Nihilism requires no more proof than you require to prove that you aren't a purple unicorn.

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>>38530546
>stoicism, is baby's first philosophy and people calling themselves as ones should be mocked.

On what basis would you mock a stoic?
Perhaps that they're immune to mockery?

>>38531049
Nihilism is not the same because the content it concerns is available to us for examination, unlike the supernatural.

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>>38528176
>>38528281 #
Nihilism, like atheism, is a lack of belief. Nihilism requires no more proof than you require to prove that you aren't a purple unicorn.
(Le reddit edit)

>>38531084
Inherent morality is not available for observation because it doesn't exist.

Nihilism is the easy option. It is easier to believe that life has no meaning, as the natural extension of that is that you can do whatever you want without consequence. It absolves you of responsibility to do something with yourself.

Do not fall into that pit. It is a hard one to climb out of.

>>38530777
>>38527644
Dostoevsky was wrong, and Raskolnikov was right before he buckled down like the simpering coward that he was.

>>38531247
Why was Raskol right before he suffered heavy consequences for his deed?

>>38531247
>Raskolnikov was right about being able to do anything he wanted until he buckled when he realized he couldn't do anything he wanted

>>38531189
Except it has been studied empirically for years.
Moral behavior exists in non-human animals as well as infants with minimal socialization.
Some facets of what we call morality or ethical concern exist a priori. We know that for certain.

>>38531228
Difficulty of holding a viewpoint (or lack thereof in this case) on something doesn't make that viewpoint correct.

>>38526279
the allegory of the cave is literally the first instance of "we're all living in a simulation"/ "there is an all powerful demon deceiving all my senses"

>>38531272
>>38531286
He suffered heavy consequences due to his insufferable weakness while doing those things, not because of anything related to nihlism.

>>38531300
No, but regardless it is not psychologically healthy to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-sYDf0YGv4

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>>38531354
>didn't even read the book

>>38531354
But you didn't answer my question, why was he right to do so? Why should any man have a right to do what he feels like if he's superior towards others?

this thread is just one dude with pretty girl images defending nihilism. Instead of defending it tell me whats good about nihilism. Why should I wish to become a nihilist

>>38531354
If someone felt right to torture and murder you, would it be their natural right to do so, and would you have and qualms with that person?

>>38531439
there is nothing good about nihilism. choose for your life to have meaning and for the things you do to matter.

Nihilism is crap unlike Buddhism--we're all one, we're the universe experiencing itself.

>>38531296
Moron, I'm not rejecting the premise that moral behavior exists. I'm rejecting the premise that there is an inherent reason for this moral behavior.
And I know what you'll say to that. I read your tripe earlier in the thread.
"Muh survival!"
There is no inherent purpose to survival. The reason that animals exhibit this behavior is because they're not semtient. If they could grasp the concept of abstract purpose, there would be nihilist dogs, cats and bonobos.

>>38531405
No man has a right to do anything, nor do they require rights to do those things. Rights are moral constructs. As a nihlist I reject moral constructs.

>>38531472
>If someone felt right to torture and murder you, would it be their natural right to do so,
You absolute dullard. I'm a nihilist, not an egoist. There are no natural rights. How could you not predict me saying that?

>and would you have and qualms with that person?
Of course I would. Just because my wellbeing has no inherent meaning doesn't mean it has no meaning to me.

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>>38531552
Moron, you said "inherent moral behavior".
Inherent moral behavior exists.
There is wide backing for the notion that the reason inherent moral behavior exists is because it provides an evolutionary advantage.

This applies to both animals and to humans.

>There is no inherent purpose to survival.
There doesn't have to be. This is a red herring.
You've just reversed the premises.
You got hit with "Survival is the goal of moral behavior" and decided to reverse it and claim "there is no purpose to survival." You've created a blatant contradiction to try to evade the point.

>The reason that animals exhibit this behavior is because they're not semtient.
Sentience is a spectrum. Humans are on that spectrum. Some animals are closer to human sentience than others. Moral behavior occurs at many wide swathes of this spectrum.

>If they could grasp the concept of abstract purpose, there would be nihilist dogs, cats and bonobos.
So? They could also hold any number of other beliefs. Why would holding nihilistic beliefs in any way contradict the point that morality exists prior to reason or sense experience, or that it likely exists in this way in order to serve a biological purpose?

>>38525604
>r9k is full of defeatist spineless cucks
I'm not surprised

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>>38530415
>anyone who truly believes that life has no purpose immediately kills himself or he's a poser
what

>>38525604
nihilism is reddit-tier, any true robot is anti-natalist

>>38525738
>nihilism
>valuing improving the world
>valuing anything at all
>>>/lit/ educate yourself, shitlord.

>>38531678
>you said "inherent moral behavior"
No, I said, "inherent morality". Learn to read.

>There is wide backing for the notion that the reason inherent moral behavior exists is because it provides an evolutionary advantage.
Inherent moral behavior isn't inherent morality, you dunce.

>You've just reversed the premises.
You got hit with "Survival is the goal of moral behavior" and decided to reverse it and claim "there is no purpose to survival."
It's an incredibly direct refutation of that claim. There is no inherent point to survival, therefore any follow-up actions using survival for meaning are meaningless. Spooks are not reasons.

>Why would holding nihilistic beliefs in any way contradict the point that morality exists prior to reason or sense experience, or that it likely exists in this way in order to serve a biological purpose?
I didn't. I was taking a jab at you for appealing to the ignorance of animals. Apparently that flew right over your head.

>>38525604
Is there more of this qt?
Great eyed

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>>38525604
>tfw no qt3.14 ginger gf

Why is it that I only see gingers with the aplhaest of chads?

WHY WHY WHY GODFUCKINGDAMMIT