Why not law school?
Because stem is life
you want to kill yourself?
preemptive original comment
>>37846498
>Because stem is life
you can do both you know
stem undergrad with JD is a good combination
Isn't it really useless if you go to school outside of the T14 though?
>>37847888
>Isn't it really useless if you go to school outside of the T14 though?
I mean you aren't gonna be a celebrity politician anon. useless depends on what use you want from it. A JD is a professional degree that can open a lot of doors for you, it obviously isn't useless no matter what school you get it from.
Many law schools have connections with the businesses in their local area and you will make a good living, possibly better than you would have been able to without a JD. But your degree may not be as valuable outside of this area, for example. While T14 law schools have powerful brands that carry weight across the country.
I can't speak for non-americans, I don't know if there's a difference, but America is a particularly litigious nation.
A JD from any college give you a good living, a JD from a good school gives you a great living.
The problem with law is that everybody beats you down. You're client is an asshole, either out of fear of losing or just because litigious people are douches. The judge and the prosecutor/defense is basically there to tear you down.
That being said, most JD recipients aren't lawyers in the sense that they go to court.
Most wind up doing a fuckton of paperwork their whole lives and never step into a courthouse. That might sound bad, but they're getting 300k to sift through that paperwork. For 70 hours a fucking week though. That's for the JDs from good schools.
It's a viable career but it's rough.
>>37844864
Because I got my master's in a hard science. I was thinking about a PhD yest-
Fuck you. Fuck off. Where do you think we are?
>>37848002
>:A JD is a professional degree that can open a lot of doors for you
Yeah, well you better be sure there's a decent job on the other side of those doors because law school is very expensive now.
>>37848117
>A JD from any college give you a good living
This is not true in America. You have no idea what you are talking about. Theres a ton of lawyers working in law and taking home under $100k. Theres a ton of lawyers that are underemployed and not even working in law.
>>37848892
>Theres a ton of lawyers that are underemployed and not even working in law.
This, it's a very saturated field these days
>>37849374
Isn't everything saturated
>>37844864
> I have a JD but don't work as a lawyer
Ask Me Anything faggots
>>37850040
How's that debt
>>37850040
What do you do then faget
>>37850084
minimal, down about 20k now - i went to a pretty cheap school and was able to pay for most of my tuition/fees/supplies/living expenses out of pocket
fortunately I have no undergrad debt either, so that's nice
>>37850106
Work in one of those regulatory/compliance "JD preferred" roles that Career Services offices like to push. They're mostly a myth but I somehow landed one.
>>37850131
How much you make my friend? Did you attend a shit school or a good school?
>>37850220
>Did you attend a shit school or a good school?
When I went it was ranked in the 70s - SEC school. It's fallen a LOT though, bunch of SJW faculty members had a mutiny and turned it into a liberal hell hole.
> How much you make my friend?
Will make between 60-70k this year. I've been out for 2 years and live in a super cheap flyover state. Not amazing money by any stretch, but I get to work from home so I can't complain haha
I would literally kill myself if I went into law.
>>37849589
Apparently not, since there's 6 million blue-collar jobs out there that people don't want.
>>37850332
It goes by quickly but it absolutely sucks. Every interaction you have with people from professors to students is adversarial.
Prepares you for practice pretty well actually .See >>37848117
>>37850380
>Every interaction you have with people from professors to students is adversarial.
lol u serious? your school must have been a real shithole. definitely not the case universally
>>37848002
Ignorant statement. Gorden Amadus, Marco Rubio Ted Cruz all went to non important law schools and look at them.
>>37848337
>masters in hard sceince
FUCK YOU
>>37850408
> your school must have been a real shithole
not really, just competitive with a lot of southern "blue-blood" types. When class ranks came out after first semester 1L year, people pretty much broke into cliques based on that. Career services only catered to the to 10% so the rest of us naturally walked around pretty resentful.
This was at the height of the "too many law students, not enough law jobs" period though, so everyone was pretty freaked out and neurotic. Even moreso than law students normally are haha
>>37844864
>Implying you can get that far in school as one who struggles to communicate with others
>>37850408
your school was a shithole.
>>37844864
Can't speak for the United States, but in Europe that's one of the biggest meme degrees right now.
I literally see twice the job offers for psychology, that's how saturated it is.
>>37850506
It wasn't and it isn't.
>>37850599
>psychology
That's the biggest meme degree in the US probably.
>>37850423
Ted Cruz went to Harvard.
>>37844864
Because you have to do groupwork as you LARP presenting a case.
Got in for law, dropped out of university entirely when they tried to make me do groupwork. Not happening.
>>37844864
anyone else fail LSAT here?
>>37844864
Speaking from experience, the market is way too saturated. Having a degree doesn't guarantee you a job anymore, much less the high-paying ones that got everyone chasing degrees in the first place.
>>37850423
well I mean, those are three examples. 99% of politicians at the national level are gonna have law degrees from like 5 law schools, however I think it would be a good idea to look up statistics on this instead of me just pulling shit out my ass - what percent of Congress or Senate has a law degree, of those what law schools did they go to? My point wasn't that its not possible to be successful without a degree from a T14, it's that at a national level those schools are objectively gonna be over represented.
You have a good point though, many people with degrees outside of the T14 are very successful and a "T14 or nothing" mentality most definitely isn't good to have. And the law climate is changing in the United States, albeit slowly, such that law graduates are seeing a much more agreeable job market than they were a decade ago
>>37850932
the issue with psychology degrees in the United States is that there is no standardizing body of psychology undergrad curriculum between schools similar to ABET for engineering. It's also seen as a STEM degree, and the push for STEM at any cost has resulted in many misguided students looking for "STEM lite" degrees, yet not being prepared for actual quantitative coursework, watering down the curriculum with no real oversight to stop this from happening.
The psychology bloat in the United States makes it a pretty shit degree but that being said I don't think it's bad for those who ACTUALLY want to study psychology. It's possible for it to not be a meme degree if you go to a school with a strong psych program and make sure you don't take meme shit classes
>>37850646
>t. gunner who went to UCI law or some horseshit place
>>37851182
>anyone else fail LSAT here?
I'm a sophomore in college
how should I prepare for the LSAT
Law school unironically made me want to kill myself, I just graduated and I've never been this depressed
t. Canadian law school graduate
>>37844864
> being a piece of shit
>>37851474
invest in 150$ worth of books
put in a collective of 140 man hours of studying. I maybe did 50 hours and fell laughably short.
I used to want to, but really its not nearly as glamorous as it seems, and I'd rather not be a paperwork cuck.
how accurate is better call Saul as a depiction of legal life
>>37851577
how much did it cost?
how did you get used to the massive amount of daily reading, any tips?
>>37844864
Because it hard.
Originaol
>>37851577
why is law school so bad?
could you work in the US? Like is the Canadian bar and American bar pretty similar
>>37851746
Thankfully it didn't cost much because I live in a province where it was affordable.
It's nowhere near the cost of US law schools.
I didn't read anything past my first semester
>>37851777
Everything is competitive, most people are extremely cutthroat and are willing to do anything to fuck you over and gain that slight edge over you on the curve
>could you work in the US? Like is the Canadian bar and American bar pretty similar
Yes but I would have to pass the bar in the State where I want to be licensed (some people do this with the NY bar)
>>37851687
What will studying do for you on the LSAT anyways?
Is the more you study a good indicator of how well you'll do?
law school is for normies
>>37849589
It's almost like our population growth isn't proportional to the number of jobs we're creating.
>>37850379
I've worked those. It'a not that no one will work them, it's that they fire you after 6 months to bring in a new wave of temps so they never have to give you benefits or decent wages.
>>37846498
Starting law school in September with a Masters of biochem. Hoping to turn it into a patent law career. Very lucrative.
>>37853543
>Starting law school in September with a Masters of biochem. Hoping to turn it into a patent law career. Very lucrative.
do most patent lawyers work for companies or do companies usually come to some specialized patent law firms to file patents and stuff?
what does life as a patent lawyer look like
>>37849589
exactly. in fact law is probably a bit less saturated than others because there's not as many people going to law school now. would be a good time to go if you really want to.
>>37853599
>>37853599
>>37853599
there are law firms specialized in patent laws, msot lawyers there are also registered patent lawyers
>>37853844
ffs I can't write
specialized in patent law*
most lawyers are also registered patent AGENTS*