Political Ideology

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Ancap, best system proposed so far with the most social and economic freedoms for the individual.
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>>37838695
Lib right, I was liberal before I started noticing what was going on with the media and the neo-marxisminvading public education, switched to the right out of necessity

Ancap because I'm individualistic and believe in Darwinism in all spheres of society.

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>>37838695

I really don't think there's another logical option tbqh famalam.

>>37838695
federalised/devolved parliamentary democracy low-tax regulated free market

I believe in a total technocratic authoritarian power, also I condone mind control. As long as this is instituted, I will be pleased

>>37838725
Freedom is nice. What about a police force or basic needs provided by the government?

Every ideology is just Chad cucking you but wearing different clothes.
Take the apolitical pill.

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>>37838725
I agree, quite originally

>>37838741
You're literally a fucking meme if you unironically believe in something other than this

>>37838729
what country are you talking about that "had neomarxism invading public education"?

>>37838695
Left leaning center tard.

Basically incorporate socialist systems into capitalist society to ensure survival of all people, but don't make it too comfy for lazy bastards. I'm all for universal healthcare, free higher education, and social security in this sense.

Also as political systems go, have a look at direct democracy, where people are allowed to vote on laws directly, Only works with a well educated populous of course.

As an experiment, I'd like to see a country try out unconditional basic income once, just not in my country cause it might fuck things up, but it might work out great too.

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what political am I?

>>37838725
Ancap only has the most social and economic freedoms for the few individuals who are already rich. Most people are freer in the green quadrant.

>>37838812
i guess youre retarded fuck neutral fucking fuck noob

>>37838812
You're a centrist.

>>37838812
a reasonable, well-adjusted person who doesn't believe in the political equivalents of fucking fairy tales

>>37838809
If you are also against immigration, then it sounds like nat soc.

>>37838695
Democratic socialism, everyone should be equal and have a say in what equal means. If we grow as a country we become wealthy as a people, our children will be wealthy in a country we raised alongside them.

>>37838800
CA, america, if you have an opposing opinion to what the politically correct you will be demonized, identity politics running rampant, collective guilt, how much more marxist can it be?

>>37838836
Equality is a lie. Nature is a hierarchy. Who are we to deny nature?

>>37838836
There's a difference between equality (equal opportunity) and equity (equal outcome). Democratic socialism strives for equity which is dog shit politics.

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Social democrat. Markets have proven to be the best at incentivizing economic growth and development. But raw economic growth is not all there is to a healthy society, and markets are inherently unstable and need to be regulated. Totally raw capitalism also creates so much inequality that you have hordes of socially alienated young men who are drawn to radical ideologies. Outright socialism as in the government outlaws private companies, has never worked and I'm fine with some degree of inequality.

>>37838836
Its absolutely retarded to force equality especially if you have multiple races living in one country.

>>37838856
kek america is 100% antimarxism so please kkys if you think neomarxism is invading your education xDD

>>37838862
>implying the hierarchies of nature are directly relative to economic hierarchy
I disagree with the anon you responded to, but your point is really odd

>>37838836
Democratic socialism is an oxymoron, the majority shouldn't have the power to strip the minority from their legitimate rights (and no, social rights aren't real rights)

Democratic socialism is as democratic as gang rape, because the majority agrees.

>>37838903
Lol, imagine unironically saying this.

>>37838903
wow you're fucking retarded and have no clue what's going on with the politicization of American education system so fuck off mate xDDDDDDDDDD

>>37838903
Maybe it was anti-Marxism 50 years ago, but these days Antifa and stupid 20-somethings with hard-left college professors are running around influencing the culture.

>>37838856
I remember that in chapter 3 of Das Kapital, it was all about making white people feel guilty about themselves so that their women will become addicted to BBC and then start praising Lenin and Mao.

>>37838957
you just showed us all how a lib-right narrow minded person thinks. America is not even close to the middle vertical line. Way closer to the right limit kek

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i have to say i'm very surprised. i don't even know what this is. i just answered as honestly as i could.

>>37838821
literally nobody who isn't an autistic radical trying to justify his political delusions thinks centrism isn't a legitimate stance

>>37838913
Well, generally with socialists it doesn't just stop at economics. I'm just making assumptions here but the anon I responded to probably supports societal equality too.

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>>37838740
>the bars indicating the part of the board from which you're selecting to zoom out are off-centre
>you're actually slightly left

>>37838963
>>37838972
I had the chance to have classes in the usa and i must say is the most retarded education system ive evwer seen. You learn shit compared to europeans i must say, like for example, you last year of highschool maths level is like here firs year of highschool maths level kek. No joke, is actually true. So dont tell me idk how your school system works.

"Stupid 20-somethings" thinking in that way doesnt make your contry turn into socialism. Your country still so fucking capitalist i could die right now

>>37838972
It was not anti marxist back then. The intellectual class was openly sympathetic towards communism. The red scare is a media meme from the only time somebody tried to crack down on it and we still hear about it half a century later.
Communists are great at creating the image of their ideology being some suppressed forbidden knowledge.

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Libertarian Socialist

life is suffering

>>37838986
I am not lib right

>>37839003
stop using triple negatives. they hurt my brain

Social Democrat, because I'm essentially a gay-ass hippie who thinks we should all just get along. Having said that, neoliberalism and the SJW movement are a fucking disease and I would prefer literal fascism over Tumblr ruling the world

>>37838856
>if you have an opposing opinion to the politically correct, you will be demonized
That's just power of the system in general. Opposing viewpoints are obviously going to go through major difficulty to wade through the system, that's more representative of the broken system
>identity politics running rampant
That's true for both sides, so I can't really say much about that
>collective guilt
feel free to elaborate on this
>how much more marxist can it be?
I don't understand this, the political system does not follow Marxism, the economic system does not follow Marxism, and the majority of the populace is either apolitical or tied to the mainstream parties. How exactly is it Marxist?

>>37839031
How would socialism work without the coercion of the state?

Liberal Corporatism

ancap and reds are all shit

>>37839026
I'm aware that our edu system is shit and doesn't teach anything relevant, I'm talking about the political climate within the infrastructure that leans towards the extreme left. As for "stupid 20-somethings", they're going to be taking positions of power later in life and I would rather them not be influenced by postmodernists who have a clear agenda to rid our country's values.

>>37838695
center libertarian

i dont give a shit about politics, and i like being independent

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>economically right, mostly want free market, no min wage and very limited welfare
>don't even like scaling tax rates on principle
>right on social issues
>anthropogenic CO2-driven climate destruction skeptic
>yet I think business should be regulated in some capacity for safety/anti-monopolies of essential services, nationalized health care is a good idea, and welfare should exist in some form as long as it's able to be afforded and is strict; so the political compass tests always throw me on authoritarian left

>>37838956
Democratic socialism is not about stripping rights.

Under any political and economic system there will always be disagreement about what rights people should have, as some will invariably conflict with others. But there are some rights that should always be protected. The ones specifically included in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights are generally more important than the rest.

>>37839074
I'm not gonna type an essay for you, if you actually want to learn about it then read you fuckhead

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Pic related
I hung around /pol/ too much

>>37839120
You didn't even explain why you thought it was marxist. You're not even explaining what to even read. I feel like you're just saying rhetoric instead of actually approaching this

>>37839093
Surely even libertarians accept the state should enforce the law?

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centrist feels

>there are people who are opposed to globalism on /r9k/ RIGHT NOW
Brainlet genocide when?

>>37839191
>Open markets and trade between nations: indisputably good
>Consolidation of wealth and power in a small global elite: indisputably bad

I'm torn famalam. Should I support globalism or nationalism?

>Humans are horrible creatures that shouldn't be in positions of power
>Prefer a modular ANI dictatorship with free markets
>The ANIs should uphold secular ideals, but be generally tolerant
>0 tolerance for crime and terrorism (some might argue this could lead to many injustices)
>criminals and terrorists should be given two chances at reintegrating and being re-educated, a third offense meaning death
>abuse by corporations should not be overlooked, but be punished
>transparency of how the system spends the money is critical


>meh, still probably unrealistic since you can't take the humans out of the loop for real

>>37839118
I personally don't have many objections against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, but most of the human rights so-called Socialist decry can't be secured without stripping people from their most basic rights: Life, property, liberty, pursuit of freedom. You can't end hunger without raising taxes or taking food from others by force, There's nothing the government can do by force in the name of the "common good" than a free association of individuals can't do in a much more ethical, and even most of the time, more efficient way.

>>37839168
I'm ancap. No state buddy.

>>37839226
The problem with people is freedom. If people didn't have freedom, we could all be forced to work together.
Trouble is, its either freedom for the masses, or freedom for the elites. AI is the only way around, but god knows it wouldn't be infallible.

>>37838695
Civnat :^)

>>37838998
>statist
end your life

>>37839235
You can't have property rights without removing others' liberty to use that property by force. So why do you support property but oppose taxation?

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This right-wing populism is not to be confused with drumpfism

>>37838695
Whatever is needed to counterbalance the prevalent bullshit.

>>37838812
You'rea reasonable person who believes in a balanced society, albiet you prefer current society to move more towards the right economically while having more personal freedom

>>37838695
Fascist, because virtue and intelligence are rare and most people need a boot up their ass in order to be anything other than a degenerate fuckhead.

>>37839387
You can have human rights without removing someones liberty to murder.

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I don't trust corporations or the state, since they'll fuck up the world in the pursuit of chasing profits or power. I also don't like having people tell me what to do, so I'm all about personal liberty. As long as you aren't hurting anyone, do whatever the fuck you want.

At the same time, I'm against immigration. If you're going to move to a new country, you better fucking integrate. There are some good aspects of traditions, like maintaining a cohesive family unit (bedrock of western civilization).

I am also a stanch supporter of the 2nd amendment.

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>>37839522
Truest post ever; you are my hero Anon.

>>37839603
>As long as you aren't hurting anyone, do whatever the fuck you want.
And who decides whether it hurts someone else or not?

Democracy is just a feels good ideology, with little practical use other than appeasing the masses by letting them choose between option A and B. normal, everyday people have little to no knowledge about politics or economy and should have no say in it.
A monarch that views his country as part of himself is my preferred way of government. of course there will always be problems with corruption and having a singular point of failure that could cause widespread chaos is a big issue, but on paper i find in preferable to the situation we are in now where they elected government only does it it can to get the people to re-elect it, rather than what the country needs

>>37839529
Of course you can. That's not the issue.

The issue is that AnCaps regard property rights as more important than other human rights. They have a hypocritical opposition to all taxes because they regard property rights as sacrosanct, even though those rights are the result of restricting the rights of others.

Don't get me wrong - property rights are very important. But so are other human rights.

I identify most with classical liberalism.

I believe firmly that every human being has the right to live as he or she chooses, so long as that dies not infringe on the rights of others. The purpose of the state is to ensure this doesn't happen.

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>anarchotards
>ever

Feels good being able to leave my property for a length of time, traveling on roads might I add, without worrying about it being ransacked and forcibly repossessed by bandits

>>37840095
b-b-but that would NEVER happen in anarchy!! r-right guys?

>>37839974
Property right is the most fundamental right.

>>37838862
Hierarchy is a purely human construct. Animals cannot construct hierarchy, animals only have social relations between individuals.

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>>37838695
taking the political compass test for the first time just to see where I land, this shit is actually retarded. I have lots of gripes with this test, heres a few:

>A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system.

this is true and I agree with it, but this doesn't account at all for any of the cons. you can see the pros of something you disagree with but still be against it, but saying "I disagree" with this statement wouldn't be true because that IS a benefit to a single party system even if you don't agree with the aforementioned systems.

I think this is a little off just because of the way the questions were worded. most of the questions about how society should function and accepting the roles of businesses or the government were hard to disagree with just because of the way they were worded. Id place myself more in the libertarian left if the questions were worded differently. I think anything that doesn't affect you personally (gay marriage, abortion,etc.) should be legalized and you shouldn't give a fuck what others do. The government's job should be to support the members of its society and provide them the tools they need to progress and succeed.

>>37840453
>what are wolves

>>37840429
No it isn't. Freedom is the most fundamental right.

And hypothetically, if property were the most fundamental right, that still wouldn't justify taking it to the absurd extremes you do.

>>37840475
Animals not capable of that level of abstract thought.

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>>37840463
samefagging, this is more in line with what my stance is.

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>>37838695

This is my political ideology, because Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>37840453
>Animals cannot construct hierarchy
tell that to big cats, most canines, most primates. even fucking ants and bees

>>37838695
>Nazis
>right wing
Redit please, we're just too tired to deal with you today.

>>37840499
Freedom is a meaningless concept that is impossible to define outside of an ideology.
Human rights are a subset of property rights. You have a right to live because of self ownership.

>>37840811
do you understand how political compasses work? Hitler and Nazism are extremely close to fascism which falls to the right.

>>37839683
not the guy you replied to, but as long as whatever you do doesn't physically harm anybody else or infringe on their human rights, its fine in my book.

>>37840980
W R O N G

Hitler was a National Socialist. National Socialism is hard to define on a traditional Left/Right axis. National Socialism and Fascism is a 'Third Way', combining elements of left wing socialism and right wing capitalism, therefore, it can fall on the center axis, economically speaking, leaning slightly left or right, depending on current economic policy implementation.

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>>37840980
Fascism, which is simply Italian Militant Socialism, is dependent on state authority, which is actually to the left. Mussolini called himself the Lenin of Europe, and not amount of revisionist history will change that

That being said, I encourage National Socialism, but only for Europeans and other similar races. East Asians can be integrated into the state but any other race is not likely to succeed. We must examine ourselves and encourage behaviors and traits which are good, and discourage those which are bad. Niggers, Poo's, Mexicans, and Aboriginals must be exterminated. Feminism must be crushed and the right to vote only given to men who have had 3 or more children.

>>37841026

"right wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism."

Left and Right wing aren't necessarily to do with economic policy.

>>37841239
yes this is why most political compasses use 2 axis

>>37838725
>capitalism
>freedom
>not getting exploited

>>37841239
All governmental policy is an extension of economic policy, in that it usually dictates how and why resources should be allocated. Blow it out your ass.

>>37838695
Classical Liberalism because fuck government interference, all hail the free market, fuck negative rights, and democracy is pure faggotry

>>37838862
nature is me raping your mom
human nature is an autistic argument tpb

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>>37841239
>do you understand how political compasses work?

Left and right are economic and social policy.
Up and down are Authoritarianism and Libertarianism.

National Socialism is on the centre axis, leaning slightly left or right in terms of economic and social policies. It has aspects from left wing economic and social policy such as universal healthcare etc. while also having aspects from right wing economic and social policy such as privatization in some form etc.

It is high 'up' because it is Authoritarian in nature.

>>37841279
> free market
i am suprised too see so a NEET infested board
suporting wagecuckery

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>>37838695
Libertarian left. I'm not a cruel person or a retard.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1RBz8IdjB5O

Guess.

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>>37841599
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1V7lUbv5YDk

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back and to the left

porriginal

>>37841687
I know you're being satirical, but when I was 13 that was legit me. And people want to lower the voting age...

>>37840820
>Freedom is a meaningless concept that is impossible to define outside of an ideology.
The dictionary refutes you!

>Human rights are a subset of property rights. You have a right to live because of self ownership.
Other way round - property rights are a subset of human rights. More specifically, they're Article 17 in the Universal Declaration.

Humans have rights because they're human, not because they own themselves.

And crucially, you DON'T have a right to freedom from taxation. You only want that right because you care more about property than humans. Which is an evil ideology you should renounce.

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>>37838695
I'm an anarcho primitivist
The system we live in is inhumane, our souls are ill, sedentarism was a mistake

Minarchist

oregioen

>>37842525
>sedentarism was a mistake

you know you can travel more without blaming all of civilization for your fat ass

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Ancap, because all my grievances in life are the fault of government or corporations aided by government regulations

Original rare in pic related btw

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Natsoc
Its the only way to preserve the West

>>37838695
>authoritarian right and Nazism are the same thing
I want reddit to leave politics this instant

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Egoist anarchist/political apathy

I believe the only thing hold individuals back is the belief in abstract concepts designed to enslave them by the Ruling Class. Also, I don't have a fuck to give about politics because life is too short to be worried over meaningless bullshit.

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Ancap
INTP-A

>inb4 muh roads

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Centrism master race

The right government can make society more economic efficient and with more opportunities for everyone.

But desu, i like transhumanism a lot

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Only acceptable result.

>>37838998
>question 1 of 70
no thanks

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Centrism because I can see the FNORDS

>>37838836
Can you define the definition of democratic socialism that you're working with?

>>37841921
>The dictionary refutes you!
I guess we don't need philosophy then? Freedom, happiness etc. have been figured out by miriam webster.

>>37841921
No, I own my body and therefore my body is off limits to everyone else except people I allow. Same about everything I own. This is why property rights are most fundamental rights, because all "human rights" can be boiled down to them.
Taxation is a violation of this most fundamental right and therefore inherently immoral.

>And crucially, you DON'T have a right to freedom from taxation. You only want that right because you care more about property than humans. Which is an evil ideology you should renounce.

Sorry, none of this is an argument. Only humans have property rights. It is impossible to care about them without caring about humans.

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>>37838695
Post-Keynesian
Basically pic related.

Fucking hate Liberals. (Including economically liberal social conservatives.) Don't care about social issues.

>>37839221
>Open markets and trade between nations: indisputably good
Meme
http://www.realitybase.org/journal/2009/7/18/comparative-advantage-the-unicorn-of-free-trade.html

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Social democrat
I don't hate the poor and the evidence against communism seems overwhelming despite being able to learn from it.
Basically lots of free shit under capitalism.


I also don't mind one party states if they actually represent the people but w/e

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>>37838695
Right-Bertarian.
Because of this image.

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>>37838695
I don't have any because politics are gay haha

When I was a 19 year old kid I jumped between anarchist and socialist ideologies, at one point I was anarcho-prim but idgaf about that any more. I voted only once when I turned 18.

What's especially retarded are identity politics, like alt-rights vs SJWs. It's a bunch of grown-ass adults acting like 13 year olds.

Politics are just cancer, people lose sleep over shit that happens in some other part of the country or some other part of the world that they've never been to and get mad at people that they've never met. The most I care about is local politics, that actually affects me.

>>37839168
>>37839093
You get your social freedoms, but we believe the state should redistribute the wealth that the wealthy own to the poorer masses. This income inequality we have is absolutely absurd.

>>37839235
>ancap /= libertarianism

Good thing the very extreme political opinions have no chance of ever being practiced.

>>37839529
>this is an argument someone ACTUALLY made

Progressive fascist transhumanist

Not joking, ask me anything.

And no, fascism and progressivism are not mutually exclusive. You're conflating fascism with nazism and conflating progressivism with regressivism.

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Feudalist.

I don't object to inequality, I object to the mythology built up around social mobility. The defined social classes of feudalism (with prospects for advancement, but far less "anyone can do it!" lies) are greatly appealing and in combination with modern living standards there's little reason living standards would need to fall.

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Minarchist. It's where the government's only job is to protect us and be diplomatic. because i wanna be left alone but not get btfo by nukes. pretty much ancap mixed with republic.
(pic related, my political compass results)

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Radical centrist reporting in,let's bring back the death penalty and eugenics.

>>37846662
>checkmates violate the NAP
>get the nukes ready kids
You can't win.

>>37846693
>government's only job is to protect us and be diplomatic

Doesn't work. The US tried that and look at where we are now.
The only solution is no government.

>>37847769
Where you are now? The US is retty much dominating anything and no army is a real threat to the. I think Americans can feel pretty comfy when it comes to the "not having to fear other armies" scale.

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I'm a leftist but have to vote right because social security doesn't work with millions of random migrants.

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Broadly communist, heavily influenced by Debord and Gramsci, deeply sympathetic to many aspects of anarchist and even right-libertarian or classical liberal thought. Low key sympathetic to Christianity as well.

I basically hold to anarchist moral values. However, absolutism about them is naive. They are best understood as "polar" values or guiding maxims which will never be completely achieved. Concentration of power is inherently antithetical to democracy, due to the informational problem of leadership. Leaders can never completely access and understand the total collective knowledge of those below the - this is also the main problem with planned economies - but formulation of policy at a national level will be necessary for survival. The nation-state isn't going away anytime soon. Federal systems in one form or another will probably remain the best way to balance these problems.

Markets are natural, emergent, self-reproducing phenomena, which arise in response to given material conditions. Historical barter and gift economies satisfy these properties as well. Economies do not just reproduce themselves materially, but also memetically, In capitalism, all social and artistic space is consumed by the market. We live in the "society of the spectacle." Activities which once took the form of mutual participation are replaced by those of mutual contemplation or observation. All social interaction is mediated by commodities. This is the real source of the modern passivity and alienation with which the users of this board are all too familiar. Humanity is now fully driven by the market evolving to its own end. This is environmentally unsustainable, and spiritually empty. We must democratize the economy, or collapse. The post-capitalist economy won't succeed it, though, unless it, too, is self-reproducing. In the meantime, we have to fight tooth and nail for socialism.

>>37848241
Yeah honestly the escalation of internal violence is something to be much more wary of, 'Murica isn't getting invaded anytime soon.

>>37848291
>spiritually empty
I think you're not really a communist, rather someone who's more down on the chart but center left. Communism is materialistic.
However i respect your opinion.

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Centrist, because I love getting metric tons of pussy through my infinite political intellect and perfect, objective view on all topics.
You mere mortals cannot comprehend my mental power.
-An intellectual

>>37838795
You've won the award for the gayest faggiest statement ever made on THIS board

>>37848291
>Broadly communist
Stopped reading there.

>>37838695
Center-left libertarian fascist

>>37839074
>feel free to elaborate on this
Not him (I live in WA) but white boys are taught in school that they, personally, are responsible for everything that ever happened to anybody else. Slavery, Holocaust, Apartheid, all of it. It doesn't matter if you weren't alive, it doesn't matter if it was on the other side of the world, it doesn't matter how hard you apologize and kowtow to "marginalized groups;" it's all your fault and everybody will hate you forever for it.

>>37838695
Paleolibertarian reporting in

who wants to talk about the lost cause of the South?

>>37848418
>>37848484

I don't really consider myself a Marxist, but I used to. I think dialectical materialism and the concepts of basis and superstructure were actually Marx's key insight - economies take the form they do in response to material conditions (although, they also influence/create them) and wider social phenomena (governing systems, religion, etc.) reflect the material conditions of the economy. That's why I say that democratization of the economy/lack thereof is key to everything and actually connected to a sense of spiritual emptiness, and that in turn is why I tend to identify as communist.

I would mostly consider myself a materialist as well. But it's clear that people have a need to "turn on spiritually" in one way or another that - even in the total absence of any nonmaterialistic or supernatural element in the world - is more than just an "opiate."

I think the great dictators of the 20th century understood this intuitively, and their programs were total because they sought to instill a "spiritual" connection between themselves and the people of their nation through their personality cults.

Fascism (Italian, German, Japanese, or even Juche, take your pick) makes this connection completely explicit, holding that the legitimacy of the Leader comes from his status as the spiritual embodiment of the nation and/or race.

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>>37847769
I'm not a fan of Timmy, but this quote sums it up pretty nicely.

>>37848783 was meant for >>37848241

oops originalasdffa

>>37839145
>Egalitarian
>NatSoc

what the fuck. you're no Nazi.

Absolutely apolitical social liberal.
I refuse to pretend like I know anything about how a country ought to be run.
It's fucking pathetic to see a young kid talk about how great this or that radical political ideology is. And that's what most of you are - under 21, frogposting, phoneposting, newfag shits who once read about anarcho-capitalism on wikipedia or saw a vid about how hitler did nothing wrong and now you're basically ready to run for world prez. Get fucked, normal FAGGOTS. S.M.H.

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I grew up in a bad neighborhood so I hate niggers also gays always disgusted me TB.H
But I love capitalism and ordering stuff online. I drink Pepsi every day

>>37848932
I just want an ethno-state free of foreigners and that has a free market economy. It's not some radical ideology.

>>37848962
>free of foreigners
>free market economy
enjoy your illegal immigration

I grew up in a chatolich, middle-class family, who tought me the importance of hard work, traditionalism, so i grow up as a strong conservative

>>37838695
Fascist
I used to be Libertarian until I realised that early America only worked because of Christianity keeping people in check.
Libertarianism requires a country of similar people, with a shared culture/origins/race/faith.
Fascism is required to reproduce those conditions in these troubled, cultureless times.

>>37848974
Tougher border security.

>>37849367
Who is going to pay for border security if you don't have taxes?

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>>37848932
yeah man just ignore it social issues are all that matter

>>37849467
Free market doesn't necessarily imply no taxes you idiot.

>>37849533
Yes it does you bumbling retard.

>>37849554
Are you trolling or something? Or are you really just this retarded?

>>37849587
The moment you have a state actor putting a gun to people's heads and stealing their money, the market is no longer free. I doubt you've even read Mises or watched Molyneaux.

>>37838818
You are mistaking what exists today in "economically free" countries for free market. Today, a chosen elite can lobby the government, which will intervene in the market it controls to create favourable conditions for the chosen few, such as artificial obstacles to enter the market, tax system favouring corporations, cartelization.
In libertarianism the government is legally bared from merket intervention. In ancap the government doesn't exist at all. This creates a truly free market full of opportunities for people to earn their own wealth. All the people, according to the same fair rules.
You should really read some Rothbard before you form any opinion on libertarianism and economic freedom.

>>37849618
He may mean minarchism, where the government only taxes people to support the army and the justice system. No income tax, no central bank, etc.

>>37838886
How do you feel about an estate tax?

>>37850181
I support it. Taxing the dead eases the burden on the living, and the dead are too dead to care. I don't feel guilty that people who are already inheriting several hundred thousand dollars or more will inherit a but less.

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>>37838998
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

>>37850008
I don't get why hardcore libertarians support a justice system. Time and Time again, history has proven that the courts are responsible for the expansion of government. Eg: the US has national parks because a business man wanted to purchase the land that would be a national park to exploit it for timber, sued the government, and the courts set the precedent that the government can do what it wants with the land.

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>>37850308
> courts set the precedent that the government can do what it wants with the land
> mfw

Social democrat.

Markets but regulated, strong social safety nets, socialised healthcare, higher taxes on the wealthy, isolationist foreign policy (with the exception of some sort of obvious genocide or something).

In the future: embracing full-on automation and AI, Universal Basic Income.

>all these NEETs, autists, and general social rejects vehemently believing in social darwinism and anarcho capitalism

You'd all get immediately curb stomped in your ideal society

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>>37839177
>muted for unoriginality
>Fuck my milk float.

>>37839722
I agree. The main benifit of a monarchy is that the ruler is completely tied to the land they govern. If the land is doing well, then so is the monarch. If a certain branch of government is spending way over their budget, and this money is coming directly out of the pocket of the monarch, thrn its going to get shut down for gross inefficiency.

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>>37851254
ikr

"muh freedom! REEEEE"

>has to get into prostitution and selling crack to the mentally retarded to put lead contaminated noodles on the table for his own starving children while trillionaire overlords enjoy recreational nukes

"This is fine. Freedom!!"

Antinatalism. Abort everyone. Administer fetus-killing drugs to the water supply.

>>37852175
So ejjji!

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Gib gibs now!

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>>37852175
Not a bad idea at all actually.

>>37852638
Congrats on not being an autistic selfish piece of shit anon!

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>>37838695
Right now Europe needs facism or national socialism, however my end goal is libertinism or anarcho capitalism.
I grew up working class in Glasgow, hence I saw the end result of the welfare state, I also saw the problems arisen from rampant immigration.
The way I see it Europe cannot simply jump into libertarianism, if we did so it would be chaos, however if we were to implement controll and solve the current problems faced, we may one day be free, to live out lives on our own terms, to be truly free. However as it stands we must first earn out freedom.
I'm not even entirely sure if there is a name for my ideology.

>>37839313
>being lolbergtarian in 2017

either pedophile or jew

>>37839145
lil' hitler

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>>37838780
>there's literally no such thing as moderation
AnCap doesn't necessarily mean being deprived of those things, just like how regular capitalism doesn't mean you have to pay for air.

>>37849746
You're wrongly assuming government to be the source of the problem. But in reality there are differences in wealth and knowledge that create far bigger inefficiencies in the market, and government intervention can mitigate that problem. There are also some instances where government regulation can increase efficiency by removing the need for costly duplication while retaining the benefits of competition.

Considering Rothbard was a follower of that idiot Mises, I very much doubt he wrote anything worthwhile. But I might give it a look when I've got more time.

>>37849554
Actually it doesn't. "No taxes" is just what you wrongly infer, but the presence of taxes in an economy does not stop the market from being free.

>>37845534
If defining things were the objective, philosophers would long have been redundant. But we still have the question of why.

>This is why property rights are most fundamental rights, because all "human rights" can be boiled down to them.
Try reading the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and then see if you still hold that opinion:
http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html

>Sorry, none of this is an argument. Only humans have property rights. It is impossible to care about them without caring about humans.
Humans DO NOT have the right to freedom from taxation. Although they have the right not to be ARBITRARILY deprived of property, they don't have the right to be exempt from taxation laws.

And human rights often come into conflict with property rights. Historically there have been many instances of the rich letting the poor starve to death. The Irish potato famine is the classic example.

>>37854644
>Putting a gun to a woman's head doesn't mean she didn't consent to the sex

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Ich habe diese selbst gemacht. Ich hoffe es gefaellt euch allen.

I'm not that into politics though...

>>37855327
Stay that way.

There are three possible outcomes:
1. You get involved and waste your time on pointless, ill-informed but well-meaning activism.
2. You get involved and waste your time on pointless, ill-informed but spiteful activism.
3. You get involved and waste your time contemplating suicide because the information in front of you is too depressing to live with.

>>37838903
My dude not to ruin your memery but a self-advertised socialist ran for President and almost won a major party nomination until he was cheated out of it by the DNC.

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>>37838695
>libertarian left
Automation will make labor unfeasible/unnecessary. This will lead to mankind's greatest opportunity to allow NEETs to have all the tendies they want without mommy lording over us with GBP.

Anyone got the political chart edit with the 4 anime dickgirls representing alignment? Purely for ironic reasons of course

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>>37838695
I was a liberal, but now I consider myself to be a left leaning centrist. The reasoning being how condescending and dogmatic *both* sides are. However, I still have a lot of liberal beliefs like being for stricter gun control, being pro-abortion and being for free healthcare.

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>>37856047
>pro-abortion
right on, there are really too many people born into shitty situations
>free healthcare
single payer healthcare is inherently more efficient, so I agree
>stricter gun control
SHALL NOT INFRINGE
FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS
RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>37854546
>But in reality there are differences in wealth and knowledge that create far bigger inefficiencies in the market, and government intervention can mitigate that problem. There are also some instances where government regulation can increase efficiency by removing the need for costly duplication while retaining the benefits of competition.
Very well put my dude

>>37856047
Liberal literally means left leaning centrist.

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1. Feminist - fail to see arguing about it on /r9k/ as worthwhile, but anecdotal experience in a male dominated STEM field where a female coworker slept with mace during field projects (among other incidents) prompted me to research it.

2. Not really sure if I like capitalism or socialism. I think all humans deserve food, education, a home, a job, leisure time, medical care, etc. I think some dude making more money cause his dad built a factory while the people who make the product get shit is absurd. On the other hand, I see capitalism as democracy of items, where purchase = vote. I think the problem is making a price reflective of the true cost, rather than building and shipping costs. If a government body could integrate pollution damage to the cost of oil or meat I think a lot of climate change would sort itself out.

3. Vegetarian because I hate the taste of red meat and want to feel superior. Also minimising suffering and the climate and other faggotry.

>just want someone to share these feels

Well, since I'll always be dependent on the state for my welfare payments, I'm in favour of a social safety net, obviously. I never vote, however.

>>37838812
good taste, this is literally me

>>37856383
I'm here 4 u (mostly)

>>37853904
Anarchy and anarcho capitalism means no government at all. Minarchism is ancap except with military, police and court.

>>37855177
Consent under duress is not true consent.

>>37857423
this, it makes taxation extortion.

>>37857465
No it doesn't. Everyone has a right not to be raped, but nobody has a right to be exempt from taxation law.

I know some libertarians think all duty is slavery, but most people know the difference.

Man it makes me sad as fuck that so many people care so little for the world in general... like not even the environment just progress scientifically etc. etc.

>>37838695
like communism but I'm christian so no abortions allowed.

I think if all systems were to work ideally, mutulism or anarcho communism would be the best.
But shit almost never works ideally, so a democratic socialist country would be pretty cool, similar to Denmark or Finland.

>>37857852
>explain your reasoning behind believing in it.
shit I forgot that. I'm very lonely, I don't like competition, and jesus is good

>>37857856
you can't just mix socialism and liberalism like that. pick a side faggot. the war is coming.

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I'm an anarcho feminist because white men are fucking evil. They're literally so triggered by the existence of ethnic minorities that they want to turn their entire country into a safe space.

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Old Republican/American Nativist.

I think America's national character is defined and typified by liberty, and that not only is the upholding of liberty indispensable to the defense of our national character, but also that we have to thank our liberality towards ideologies inimical or averse to liberty (IE: leftism, reactionism, globalism - anything the Founders wouldn't have liked) for the decline of our nation's resplendence and sense of which.

>>37857930
You are the farthest thing from funny, man. Kindly take yourself and your shtick back to /r/4chan.

What's with all these special snowflake political ideologies? I wish all these faggots would stop making up terms for me to recognize them as.

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Classical Anarchist.

>>37857978
/r/4chan is basically /r/the_donald though

>>37858253
I got almost the same as you like %87 progressive, nice anon.

>>37857914
Not only can you mix them, but doing so is desirable to avert war.

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>>37858416
It's cool to see another person like me on here.

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>>37838695
Social liberalism. I support a regulated market, strong labor unions, legalized marijuana/gambling, universal healthcare with a public option, strict rules on civil liberties (i.e. no government surveillance), testing of universal basic income, investing in our future by lowering college tuition costs, gay rights/pro-choice, and a solving of the manufacturing crisis.

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Progressive Liberal/Civil libertarian reporting in.

Basically, I am economically left leaning and socially libertarian. I don't like authoritarian governments or corrupt businesses. Civil liberties and rights, including the right to keep and bear arms, are very important to me. Social democracy is the best economic system currently, but in the long term we should strive to create some sort of post scarcity economy. I also favor the creation of a liberal democratic world government.

Ethno-nationalist libertarian

>I'm not white btw

>>37859266
Pls b in Mogadishu

Social conservatism with libertarian economics sprinkled on top. I'm an ape when it comes to social views (though I do think gays should be allowed to get married) and I've always believed society is hierarchical, and that there should be an equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. I find equality of outcome to be selfish and entitled thinking I also believe that culture is something to be preserved, and it doesn't matter what the culture is. I also believe immigrants should assimilate into the culture of the country they're migrating to, otherwise that results in a loss of culture and less social cohesion.

I think I'm a typical conservative, honestly.

>>37838740
As a centrist, you define your beliefs by assuming where the edges are and throwing a dart at the middle. Except the edges are never where you think they are, so you're easily manipulated. Even communists are better than you, because they have actual beliefs instead of trying to appease all sides.

>>37846020
You might think differently about identity politics when it starts to affect you personally, like nogs standing at your gate with boltcutters chanting kill whitey songs. This is what happens when you go from majority to minority in a few decades like we're doing right now, and I don't want that to happen to my family a second time.

>>37853696
Libertinism gives communists freedom to organize which results either in communist takeover or a fascist government forming to deal with commies.

If you have any ideas for breaking this cycle, try sharing.

Marxist/Accelerationist Maoism/State Capitalist

Nationalize everything possible. Burn The United States to the ground.

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In all truth? National Socialism.

>>37858435
nevermind you like anime bye

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>>37850264
>Unironically being a globalist
Garbage opinions

>>37839115
you're a natsoc then

Neo-reactionary. Leadership traits are 90% genetic, and most people are the offspring of peasants and act like peasants themselves. They have no place in the political sphere. At the very least; the kind of people who can run for office and the amount of suffragettes need to be HEAVILY limited.

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I like Social Liberalism, am I a bad person?

>>37861176
No it means your heart is in the right place, even though you should take a long hard look at where you're standing on all issues. Sometimes nasty things need to happen because the world won't always be nice to you if you're nice to the world.

>>37861176
No, it means you've confused 'good' and 'nice' to be the same concept, like most people have.

>>37838780
The free market can provide almost anything the government can.

>>37861438
Can the free market provide a government if there was a demand?

Free Market Anarchist (I say free market, because most people think corporatism when they hear Capitalist.)

>>37861469
People would be able to make their own mini governments/covenant communities if they wanted to, so long as all participants are willing and can leave at any time they want.

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Nazi punks nazi punks nazi punks fuck offf