Can somebody red pill me on meditation?
Preferably mindfulness and how to do it right. Too many online meme articles that contradict or are full of shit.
>>37812389
>Can somebody red pill me on meditation?
Meditation is another form of prayer, if you'd like to think of it like that. It's mostly used to clear your thoughts to the point where you aren't thinking, or are focused on one thing.
>Too many online meme articles that contradict or are full of shit.
There are multiple ways to meditate, anon. Just pick one.
Meme garbage
Origiri
>>37812460
>Meditation is another form of prayer, if you'd like to think of it like that. It's mostly used to clear your thoughts to the point where you aren't thinking, or are focused on one thing.
yea if you're an absolute pleb. it has nothing to do with prayer at all (but it can). and it has nothing to do with clearing thoughts (but it can)
>>37812505
>yea if you're an absolute pleb. it has nothing to do with prayer at all (but it can). and it has nothing to do with clearing thoughts (but it can)
I'm just repeating what a meme college course talked about. I don't really care much for meditation.
>>37812480
>meme garbage
I want to think this, but then I check out sites like this: https://nccih.nih.gov/health/meditation/overview.htm
That is just littered with citations of reputable studies declaring positive things about it.
>>37812505
>nothing to do
>(but it can) :^)
wow dude you totally summed it all up thanks
>>37812389
You need max concentration and meditation skills to continuously reap the benefits.
I suggest just closing your eyes and spinning around before you meditate, in a spinny chair, because the environment will come up in your mind a lot.
>>37812389
Just focus on your breathing and nothing else.
Twice a day and 15 minutes each time.
find out yourself, go find a quiet place, sit/lay down, and think about whatever
new age meditation from some fucking website isnt going to do you any good
you'll probably want to look for things that have discarded explicitly religious goals and methods, in which case what you're probably looking for is the modern confluence of meditation and neuroscience. the practices that both sides agree on are probably the ones worth pursuing. i'm sure your bullshit detector for wushu and other new age wishy-washy stuff is fine, just trust your instincts on that and research further when needed.
speaking of which, you can probably start with sam harris's approach to this, since that scientifically based approach is exactly how he goes about meditation.
>>37812389
>Can somebody red pill me on meditation?
>Preferably mindfulness and how to do it right.
It only works if you're a normie to begin with, with little to 0 actual problems.
Try telling yourself meditation works when you're completely immersed in hell so much you feel demons devour you despite never being religous. Then laugh with some well adjusted normie who has never faced adversity or trauma in their life or some roastie with 50 guys messaging her boosting her ego daily, laugh when they tell you your problems will be solved if you "just meditate :)"
>>37813519
>Then laugh with some
then laugh when*
>>37813519
>It only works if you're a normie to begin with, with little to 0 actual problems.
Lol fuck off idiot. That's like saying weight loss only works if you're already thin.
If you're sperged out in your own head because you can't quiet your demons, mindfulness is exactly the thing you need to cultivate because all the bullshit in your past isn't the problem, your dwelling and obsession over it is.
As you do stuff, consciously pause between any tasks. Even 15-30 seconds and a breath is worth a shot.
>>37812389
palousemindfulness.com
free online course by a certified mindfulness instructor.
takes about two months to learn properly, just follow the course and you'll be fine.
I could also recommend good books written on the subject, but basically everything written by Jon Kabat Zinn (dude who made midnfulness popular in western medicine) is just fine.
I have medidated for so long with my tulpa I can hallucinate whatever I want on command so I hallucinate my tulpa to be a sexy dominatrix who tortures me all the time
how do you meditate if you live in a noisy environment?
>>37813696
>Lol fuck off idiot. That's like saying weight loss only works if you're already thin
No it's the complete opposite of this. One is physical the other is mental. You can easily make a physical response through actions but to change a mental problem is completely else.
What you see as a mental problems is stress because of work or depression because your life isn't going right. These aren't real mental problems though. Try solving schizophrenia with meditation, it won't work.
Meditation is for princesses and normies who like to think they've ascertained some brevity of mindfulness and enlightenment wrought of their own will. The accurate simple answer though is they never had any real problems to begin with.
The fact that you mock the demons as in "you can't quiet your own" shows your ignorance. Have your mind immersed in lava and razor blades on top of a decade of lonliness and isolation and depression then tell me it's my own problem that i cant reach some abritrary mindfulness and zen. You want to blame other people though and grind them out by saying its your own dwelling over it and obsession as if that's actually whats going on. You sick normies always blame instead of attempt to empathize.
The fact that your problems in the world can be solved by sitting down and spacing out shows you never had any problems to begin with.
>>37813884
With mindfulness, if you are a beginner, you use guided meditations, and put headphones on and listen to instructions on how to meditate, for example:
https://palousemindfulness.com/meditations/bodyscan.html
Meditation protip:
>after various years meditating deeply for about 45~ minutes and focusing solely on all the skin of your body, you will begin to feel a sensation akin to a full body orgasm. Start with 15 minutes a session and go up from there. The short term benefits are a calm and focused mind.
protip 2:
>focus too much into a single part of your body while meditating and you might acidentaly yourself up in a way no doctor can fix. This practice is basically brain rewiring/reprograming, so you can do some hardcore stuff if you have the patience.
>>37813920
I'll add more.
The type of depression you normies feel isn't real depression. It's you being sad over things you likely caused and aren't in anyway significant. You also will say you're depressed because 1 out 10 things are wrong in your life while ignoring the 9 other things that are right, like you having a boyfriend/girlfriend, active social life, family and friends who care about you, easy access to paths of success and so on. But since you have 1 thing wrong you call that depression but it's really just a meme and a reflection of your selfishness. Meanwhile someone with real depression has 5, 6, 7 or more of those things wrong in their life, and it compounds plus deepens with timel. THEN as if it wasn't bad enough they have shitlords like you who already reject and ostracize the them day to day tell them their problems aren't big and they just need to mediate xD and it's their fault because they don't meditate.
That's not even including b differences like the person saying meditate usually not having any social anxiety, no long term entrenched problems, no mental illnesses.
>>37813920
>You can easily make a physical response through actions but to change a mental problem is completely else.
"I have no control over my thoughts"
Exactly my point. If you cultivate mindfulness you can choose which thoughts you give any time to, and over time that results in feeling a fuckload better.
Or keep playing the powerless 'I can't control my mind' game and enjoy the benefits that brings to your long-term mental state.
>>37813920
>sitting down and spacing out
Misconception. Meditation improves your ability to dismiss lines of thinking. Once you have that ability you no longer burn brain time on negative memories or worrying about worst-case scenarios.
Over time that is a hugely powerful tool to improve your mental health.
Here's an article on the adverse effects of meditation:
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/
>>37814528
I always knew meditation was bullshit
>>37814528
i made a bet with myself before i clicked this link;
"i bet it's only one study."
and i won. doesn't even seem like a particularly meaningful one.
>>37812389
if you want to pursue this go for it.
do not expect anything from it, you absolutely will not gain anything from doing this.
especially if you go in looking for benefits, you will get nothing. its just relaxing, consciously clearing you mind, kind of a conscious version of sleep.
if you decide to continue please just do it for its own sake, if you enjoy chilling out in silence for a few moments a day then do it, its about the same as just laying down and listening to music (minus the external influence ofc)
but really tho im letting you kno if your going in seeking benefits as your post implies you will not get them, sitting and staring at a wall for 10 minutes a day is not going to change your life im sorry
>>37812389
It's like napping but without the sleepiness, drowsiness, or sleep replenishing.
It is massively overrated (So many self-help gurus will claim it cures all mental illnesses), but it is not useless.
Only real effects you can expect after doing it 3 times a week for a long time, is generally being more relaxed, stop eating easily, more aware, more 'chill', borderline 'photogenic' memory (I seemingly remembered almost anything I read or was taught), more easy to circumvent your own emotional behavior (You will still feel sad/angry/tired and so on, but you will be better at understanding why you do what you do, and then adjust your actions). You can however end up alienating people close to you because of it, if they are not from a family that practices meditation, and are not used to highly meditated personalities.
If you do it persistently for a long time, and become able to meditate for an hour or more at a time as well, you will have a much more vivid imagination and your state of meditation will be much more extreme. You will be able to 'feel' and 'smell' much better, manage more parts of a fabricated experience, and even tiny details wil finally be avalible.
It can even cause you to be completly 'numb' for half an hour after meditating.
Guided meditation when you reach this stage is also really intense, and can invoke genuine deep emotions, which still weirds me out.
One made me able to cry out of happiness, and forgive myself, shit's intense.
Only bad thing I've experienced is that I have false memories now, because my dreams were so vivid and real too, and somehow gets stored as real memories. Only minor stuff however, mostly social interractions.
Source: Been meditating on and off since I was 13 (Family tradition), Did it 3-7 times a week for a whole year once.
I'll be happy to elaborate if asked (2000word limit)
>>37814607
What parts of increased anhedonia, psychosis, disassociation of self, etc. is not meaningful?
>>37814713
Please do. What about that "highly meditated personality" might throw people off?
>>37812389
>sitting with legs crossed
enjoy your thrombosis
>>37812389
Meditation is new-age garbage, there is several esoteric old practices that are still interesting, like Dark Retreats.
To meditate is to think deeply on something. Breath exercises and empty-mindedness is just a variant in a throng of different 'meditations'.
It's better to just go out in the woods butt-naked and eat random plants until you lose your mind by some toxic plant.
>>37814988
You lose almost complete interest in all forms of media. Part is that it feels like overstimulation (Not in the bad way, but more like you feel it pulling you slowly out of your relaxed state), but also how the images and sound might influence your subconcious in a bad way.
Think of how you usually dream of stuff that happened the same day, it's that kind of feeling but before you sleep.
Meditation makes you aware that you subconcious is ALWAYS collecting.
You'll still watch movies at times and play vidya, but just really rarely.
You will also lose all 'tasty' food (Salt,sugar,fat). The fact that you become disattached from sensation makes it less attractive. You will also have an easier time eating blander and more repetitive meal. Oatmeal with milk was my go to meal for a long time, and I only drank water. Sometimes tea without milk or sugar.
The memory thing also makes you at times talk about acedemic subjects in great detail, and it can catch people off gaurd. You will come off as cocky if you are not careful.
Your pain threshold will also be crazy high, and if you do any kind of sport, it will show (I used to go to Boxing and it went suprisingly well despite my lack of muscle)
The biggest though is that your struggles will be different. Things other people seem to have a lot of problems with you don't have at all, and it slowly grows this massive gap between you and the rest of the world. If you ever work with people, this will be very, very apparent.
You will almost never "Treat yourself", you'll just keep going. 99% of social activites are about "Treating yourself", though.
Having to tell people that you are going to meditate for the next 1-2 hours, if you share a place, they will likely raise an eyebrow.
Main effect is that you will turn into this bland but ridiculously persistent in the eyes and mouthes of other people. Not much to remember about you.
>>37815534
that sounds like what I'm already like but I think I'm just depressed and autistic
>>37815576
Do you have a strong work ethic, and an easy time studying?
Does stress and anxiety barely affect your actions and behavior?
Are you able to simply not eat for days at time?
Do you generally just feel alright, and can you use guided meditation to invoke strongth emotions with a physical response? (Tears, uncontrollable smile, and so on).
I'm curious.
>>37815534
So you basically become an super-stoic? Sign me the fuck up and down. Bhudist family? Indian? Now that's an habit worth teaching your kids for sure.
>meditation
>detox
>muh herbs and chinese medicine
All people who claim anecdotal evidence is basis for any medical procedure should hang from a gas station
>>>/t***lr/
>>>/r*ddit/
>>37812389
Meditation is a formalized way to attempt to make stupid people smarter by teaching them awareness.
>>37815576
People with autism have the very trait that people who meditate are trying to achieve: full awareness of all of one's surroundings/not being judgmental of them regardless.
It's honestly comical.
>>37813965
This. Works especially well with proprioception. I also managed (as an experiment on the actual physical power of the mind) to trick my brain into getting my feet's sensory signals mixed up with my hands. Almost thought I wouldn't be able to put everything back in place.
>>37815534
>>37815576
Hadn't read that dudes post and after I did I realized that he gave himself autism through meditation. What. "Crazy high pain threshold" is classic autism, so is everything else he speaks of.
You know what, that's offensive. You're trying to steal my culture you neurotypical cunt, weren't you happy being a small fish in a big pond or something, did you really have to idolize autism? My suffering is real, it's not for you to monetize on it REEEEE.
>>37814729
You do realize this is just modern Western terminology, right? Everything that is not "standard everyday consciousness" is a fucking disease according to pyschiatry when in fact we are MEANT to be able to change our state of mind.
Anhedonia? That means unhappiness. Hardly something uncommon. Especially if you're having profound realizations.
Psychosis? Really? Oneness with the universe and enlightenment is just "CRAZAY BRUH" even though both these things have been a staple of human civilization for milllennia.
As for dissociation, that's pretty much a scary way of saying "you can now put things into perspective and not spend every second of every day absorbed in your own reflection". Woo woo paranormal!
>>37816015
You can teach kids in any way you want.
Personally I got lured in by my mother doing it a decent amount, ranging from once a week to once a month (So more rarely), so she normalized it in my mind.
Also follows the old principle of kids learn by what parents do, not what parents say.
I have no clue what religion she is actually a part of, seems like a buddhist sect. I know it sounds odd to not know, but she never indoctrinated me with religion or spirituality. Probably thought I would slowly naturally believe the same naturally.
Then she also talked about important meditation is, even if just done rarely. I started doing it when I got a bag of various smooth and nice smelling herbs, and I needed to put it under my nose before meditating.
Since I was a kid, I had the easiest time laying down and with guided meditation sessions of 30 to 40 minutes.
That shit was cool even as a kid, I had a guided meditation where you walk around in a garden, then take 20 minutes to contemplate in silence, and it was so real.
It's a more "Modern" approach, relative to the purist sitting up and not taking any control of sound (Even forcing silence is a form of 'setup' which some people disagree with).
I will say sitting upright while meditating is much more intense than laying down, at least for me.
Also, Stoicism is bae. I actually had been practicing sleeping on the floor on a carpet for a while, found out later it was Stoic too.
>>37816496
I was specifically asked about how it changed social aspects. Of course different social behavior will be intepreted as 'Autism' since it's such a broad term.
Also, the main difference is that autistics don't understand, but a meditative personality simply does not feel the need, but can still play along perfectly fine. You're still socially able.
Also, one of the many key differences is that you have less problems than other people, not more.
Main benefits are outside of being social.
>>37816569
The difference that you propose is that you don't lose cognitive empathy, you actually manage to lose affective empathy? Is the idea that only compassionate empathy is the good kind of empathy all that buddhism/meditation foresees of the matter of interpersonal relationship? Because I have very solid arguments against the denying of any form of empathy.
And yes, I have more problems than a neurotypical individual who desires to train to become like me in many ways aside from those which would be less socially acceptable. Of course I do, but I am also a positive influence on the world because I am loud and I get angry and I am not afraid to scream all that I see that is wrong with the world.
Don't make it all sound so good and appealing, you are useless and self-centered, you lose all the importance of being human when you achieve this (wrongfully) idealized state of mind. There's something about what it proposes that nearly makes me write it off as the ultimate antisocial way to be.
>>37812389
>Red pill me on meditation
In the words of Penn and Teller from the episode on Vaccinations: Just because one event precedes another event it doesn't mean the first event caused the second event. Any calming or relaxation you get from meditation is just a ruse for making your dumber. Quieting your mind and removing any extra meanings from phrases may sound good from a source on meditation, but that's a lot like a fox guarding a hen house. The ideas you think, and the connections you make to other concepts through those ideas makes your life more interesting. You can look at a single idea from various angles, from different people's perspectives and consider various ramifications. You don't want to be some brain dead supermarket clerk who just asks "Paper or plastic?" without anything else going on upstairs.
Meditation is done religiously, but the philosophy behind it has no moral position, or ethical guidance. It's all about achieving a feeling rather than achieving any intellectual gains. All the concepts are about nothingness (which doesn't make sense) and oneness (which doesn't make any sense either) only once you've gotten to the point that you stop thinking it feels true. You'd be better off spending your time studying Philosophy, Psychology or even History or Math and Science. Atleast then it would make sense, and you would be giving your mind more things to consider. If you wanted to meditation on what is right and wrong, or what is ethical or unethical that would be helpful, but most people refer to Zen meditation when they say meditation which is when you focus on nothing i. e. you stop thinking.
Brain dead: http://www.ashidakim.com/zenkoans/35everyminutezen.html
>>37813920
>Meditation is for princesses and normies
If princesses or normies wanted to clear their minds they would go to a party, get drunk and have sex. Meditation is for Anti Cis White Males who hate America (and intellectualism) including it's religion.
>>37816873
>focus on nothing
>actually getting insight into things and also yourself
sounds counter intuitive but it's true
>>37813965
the full body orgasm happened to me after i meditated with intense breathing after smoking up
i was a newbie to meditation at that point
>>37812389
>redpill on meditation
it's complete bullshit
>>37816367
not like there are any peer review studies of meditation and it's effects right?
>>37816650
>Of course I do, but I am also a positive influence on the world because I am loud and I get angry and I am not afraid to scream all that I see that is wrong with the world
Cringed hard after reading this.
>>37817595
Oh fuck off you pseudo intellectual shit. You talk as though being passionless and unaffected is the only acceptable le-non-cringe way to live life. Go echo chamber with your rational buddies and get out of this thread.
>>37817701
I'm not that guy you were replying to.
>You talk as though being X is the only acceptable way to live life
This is you, I never made any judgements at all.
>>37817492
That's just part of the ruse. You might get a few revelations at the beginning, but they'll go away, and eventually you'll stop discriminating about anything at all http://www.ashidakim.com/zenkoans/31everythingisbest.html and you'll do whatever anyone tells you to do and always take the path of least resistance.
If you want to gain insight into things read a book or watch a thought provoking movie. Then you'll have a basis for your ideas, and you can decide whether to accept or reject them, and build on them or apply them to different concepts and situations. One time I was meditating and I thought of some great idea which I thought was amazing at the time then when someone asked me what it was I realized it didn't make any sense.
>>37817733
Yes, it is me. That's what the expression "You talk as though" tends to mean. That the way someone expresses themselves can be seen in a particular way, in this case, that the way you expressed yourself made me feel as though you were implying something other. So thank you for telling me that I was doing what I said I was doing.
Why did we spend millennia developing elaborate forms of communication to end up like this anyway? Can't you be more careful about reading?
>>37817864
nigga you are doing the same thing you are accusing me of doing
so much for careful reading
>>37817855
Why are you linking to a martial artists site?
Anyway I have never had those problems you speak of because I have never had an amazing idea while meditating, I've just gotten another perspective on things I have watched, read about etc. Just like you say is the right way to do things. I mean I only have my own experience and it may be different for other people but meditation has certainly been useful to me.
>>37817872
Nigga, I didn't think the guy I first replied to was doing what you did. Unless you somehow manage to both be that guy and not be that guy. Remember that you did write down "This is you, I (as in your person) never made any judgements at all."
So how can you be someone I didn't refer to if you somehow tell me that you are someone that I referred to? The person I'm talking about being a pseudo intellectual shit is the individual who said he "cringed" because I dared to express that being passionate is important. Not the individual whom I was having an actual conversation with.
DON'T PLAY YOURSELF.
>>37817910
are you stoopid? i'm not that guy you were originally arguing with, i most certainly am the guy who cringed, and i am most certainly calling you stupid for saying there's only one good way to live, or atleast implying it.
jesus, learn to understand what you read.
Girls never meditate
I read a book called "The Mind Illuminated" which although was filled with some wishy washy bullshit seemed like a pretty good manual for learning to meditate. It has 10 stages and as you progress through the stages it tells you about the problems you are likely to face and how to overcome them. I'd recommend it if you are really interested just make sure to have your bullshit detector on for the religious shit.
meditation is not about controlling your mind, clearing out your thoughts or any of that rubbish.
it's about being present. unfortunately that's a buzz phrase nowadays but it's true ;)
stay present and simply watch thoughts float by like clouds. this is transcending the mind. The true goal of meditation.
and once you transcend the mind, you'll get to a place where true happiness lies.
>>37817941
I never implied that you were stating it, all I said was that the way you spoke about it made it sounds as though you were saying that there was only one way of living life. THAT'S WHAT THE WORDS I USED MEAN. That the impression you give me by the way you expressed yourself against what I said about living a passionate life leads me to believe that you are full of shit and that you believe in being el cool and collected meme.
Fuck.
You can't be this retarded. You can't make this shit up.
This shit ain't hard.
Have fucking Cirno.
>>37818000
>about living a passionate life leads me to believe that you are full of shit and that you believe in being el cool and collected meme
well who's fault is that
tip: it's yours.
i just made a passing remark about how a sentence made me physically cringe.
>>37818018
You fucking idiot.
That's exactly what I said.
It is exactly the precise very first thing I said in response to your pointing out that I was saying that you gave off that kind of impression.
PRECISELY WHAT I SAID.
You can either look up or, for ease, understand that my reply to you after you so intellectually pointed out what I was conveying through usage of language, intentionally, was a reply that intended to explain that very fact to you.
What I mean is: learn to fucking read, if I implied that it was an impression that you gave off you can rest assured that it is an impression of mine. Not that I am saying that you somehow are this or that.
In order for communication to flow after I said that what you said made you sound like a moron what you should have done is "well, actually, I cringed because /insert reason/" instead of fucking around with semantics because you just can't into language.
>>37818092
that i cringed isn't an impression of mine, i physically did cringe
and also again at this post, you need to tone it down senpai
>>37818092
as for my reason, i'm just an emotional guy, there's no logic behind me cringing at your post, at least i don't think there is
>>37818153
I told you the (statistically) likeliest reason to be honest. You just don't realize it yourself/Or don't realize whatever other reason it was that it made you cringe because your emotional growth has likely been stunted. Like most people's. Living the unexamined life is way better than understanding things after all. It's so much more worth it.
>>37818192
>Living the unexamined life is way better than understanding things after all
first thing you've said that i agree with
maybe you're just bad at explaining your ideas if that's what you wanted to say all along
>>37818123
>>37818153
Also, you said it yourself, you have a visceral reaction of "cringe" to people who express themselves with passion or any form of loudness and intensity.
I don't know what else to tell you or to think of you aside from assuming that you are the kind of person who thinks emotions are pointless and totally uncool. It doesn't affect my life. But it will surely affect yours at one point or another and when you least expect it.
>>37818228
>have an emotional reaction to something
>say as much
>this means that i bottle up my emotions and think they are worthless
???
>>37818208
Maybe you only understand me when I am being sarcastic. The unexamined life is not something I'd consider worth living.
>>37818247
I never said you bottle up your emotions. I only said you don't like emotions. Also, expressing le cringe is fairly common in this anonymous image board. I also don't understand why you'd struggle to express anything at all in an anonymous context. They are different contexts of your existence. But suit yourself.
>>37818255
meditation is all about examing yourself and your ideas, and why you have the idea you do, and why you do the things you do.
you are against this, but also against living an unexamined life. mind explaining?
part of me thinks you're full of shit and talking about things you know nothing about, supported by the fact that you use superfluous language to express simple ideas.
the other part of me thinks you just like playing the devil's advocate. maybe the two are related.
>>37818316
Realistically, you're just not capable of keeping up with me you fucking brainlet. You also seem to struggle with sarcasm to top it all off.
>>37818349
it's because you have nothing at all, your posts are full of contradictions
but have it your way, not like i really give a shit why you are pretending on an anonymous imageboard
>>37812389
Mindfulness meditation is the meme
More like mindlessness lmao
But no seriously most of the shit you'll read is an appropriation of the original practice for the sake of artificially reducing stress of worker drones so they don't kill people or themselves and fuck up the system.
You'll know you're meditating right if you start hallucinating. Can't really help with the methodology but yeah. Buddhists think they're karmic visions or some shit and there's a mystery level beyond them that I have not unlocked but that is supposedly where you really want to go.
>>37818391
I don't disagree with meditation, I disagree with what people who meditate tend to express are "benefits" of meditation.
Also, the expression "The unexamined life is not worth living" is an old adage/dictum that was famously said by Socrates when he was defending himself in trial for accusations of having corrupted the youth of Athens. He said it to express that people should be challenged and force outside of their comfort zone and (one could say) made to cringe because, as the old adage said, life isn't worth living if you don't do so.
>>37817988
Essentially, I'm with this guy and his take on meditation and everyone else can fuck off with their Matrix tier shit.
>>37814468
>"I have no control over my thoughts"
No I have control over my thoughts, I know because I remember a time where I did have control over them. Post mental illness though you literally can't control them though. You never had to experience that though.
>If you cultivate mindfulness you can choose which thoughts you give any time to
You're pretty much saying jump through these hoops or you're not trying not realizing that I don't fit into the hoops.
>Or keep playing the powerless 'I can't control my mind' game and enjoy the benefits that brings to your long-term mental state.
This is how normies unknowingly bully robots on this board and why they're not wanted here. It's an extreme lack of understanding and empathy and their desire to be right about some facility of life that leads them to talk like this. "Keep playing the powerless.." Why even say that? You don't know me and you sure as hell didn't experience what I experienced yet you're projecting your personal brand of change on me not realizing that I have already understood and tried everything you have mentioned to no avail.
You are being extremely snobbish, selfish and accusatory and overall negative.
>>37814514
>Misconception. Meditation improves your ability to dismiss lines of thinking.
Except meditation can literally do the opposite and lead to hyperfocusing on your problems. You like to paint meditation as this cure all but it's not it has its detriments and negatives and just because you don't experience them because you're a normie with no real problems doesn't mean other people don't experience them and meditation is something else for them. My problems can't be solved with meditation what part don't you get?
>>37818477
funnily enough i agree with that guy too, it's because he is concise and seems to know his shit, as in his perception coincides with mine.
now go jerk off to furries.
>>37818493
People who have been blessed with good mental health and the crippling condition of normality will never understand mental illness or disabilities until it happens to them/until they have no other choice but to do so. And even then they can barely understand it, that's why there are so many shit psychologists and psychiatrists out in the world. Most of the mental health professionals shouldn't be allowed to practice.
>>37814468
You realise the mind of a neurotypical and anything that's not neurotypical are not the same thing, and that carpetbomb advice isn't going to help those people?
>>37813920
This guy may seem like an asshole but he's not wrong, meditation will not cure schizophrenia, but nothing will cure schizophrenia, and a tiny minority have schizophrenia anyway, most people will benefit from meditation, and if they can't than mostly nothing will help them because they are too far gone.
>>37812389
some cunts in some mountains had shit to do so they just sat in one place doing shit and people who gave them free food cause muh god saw these cunts and were like eyy thadds breddy gudd, so they told everyone to sit down and do shit for a lenghty period of time and so they did.
>2k17, im one with the spirits jo i just sit down and focus on the chakra magiccc and i see the truth in my minds third eye hole, do you guys have salad?
>>37818583
>implying he ever actually did want to help
>implying he's not just fronting for the pussy
>>37816873
>If princesses or normies wanted to clear their minds they would go to a party, get drunk and have sex.
No they wouldn't have to do anything to clear their minds because they don't have any real issues or problems. The same clearing their minds could be done by going to a movie, the beach, or in this case meditating. If they had any real problems then partying, drinking, sex, movies, beach going or meditation wouldn't solve it.
Look how quick normies are to say sex doesn't solve their problems but then all of the sudden they want us robots to be convinced meditation solves our problems. It's about them wanting to feel like a robot for their miniscule small problems then they want to make robots to feel like their problems aren't real or big and could be solved with mindfulness because in both of these scenarios the normie wants to protect their world view while disregarding others experiences of sex being important in one case and meditation not helping their problems in the other.
>>37813519
Where did OP imply that mindfulness meditation is this cure-all that will get rid of all of your problems? It's just one step in the right direction.
>>37818590
>most people will benefit from meditation,
You mean normies and failed normies.
>and if they can't than mostly nothing will help them because they are too far gone.
Having a healthy and stable life that was handed to normies of no fruition of their own would be a good start. But robots have to work for that (overcome crippling long term depression, find friends/community with the same obscure interests, over come introvertness or embrace it, find a gf that will understand and tolerate a robot or do a massive amount to become normie, etc) while normies already have it and only need to meditate to solve auxiliary problems.
This world was made for normies, its their distinct advantage and blessing and if you do anything to try showing that like saying meditation doesn't work for you then they will shriek and try saying it's your fault and you're not trying.
>>37818750
It's not a step in the right direction. No one with a mental illness know what the right direction is, not even the people who are qualified to tell mentally ill people what the right direction is know what the right direction is.
For some people, the right direction is taking LSD and managing a biochemical miracle.
>>37818807
>You mean normies and failed normies
that only leaves the mentally ill and nothing can help them
>>37818750
I was responding to this poster originally
>>37813696
>mindfulness is exactly the thing you need to cultivate because all the bullshit in your past isn't the problem
This person telling my problems are bullshit, and that mindfulness is the 1 thing that will cure my problems.
1 step in the right direction to get what normies wake up in the morning as?
Do you see the difference between saying its a step in the right direction and the people who say my problem is that I don't meditate as if my life will be solved with it?
Meditation isn't a positive experience for everybody btw. It can make your problems worse. It can be impossible to meditate when you're going through a schizophrenic episode or other mental illnesses. But you normies will never understand that and always blame the person.
>>37818922
only schziophrenics and bipolars can be harmed by meditation, don't overstate it
>>37818922
No one is blaming you for your problems, you came here and started shitting on OP for wanting to meditate which may be helpful for him. If you don't want to change your situation (not through meditation, but through doing whatever would make you life better) because normies have it on easy mode then fuck off.
>>37818852
Your normie mind is kicking in again, it switched from "everybody can help their self through meditation" to "if meditation doesn't work then youre mentally ill and nothing will work so your opinion doesnt matter"
Meditation working is for normies. Society is set up for normies and their problems will be minimal from there on where meditation can work. Normies will always fit and be extroverted with no day to day impairments like social anxiety or worse expressions of this like avoidant personality disorder or avolition.
You don't have to be mentally ill for meditation not to work. But being normie with no real problems is the thing that will make it work easily.
>>37818962
There's probably more than that too. PTSD, abuse victims, major depressive disorder and more.
>No one is blaming you for your problems, you came here and started shitting on
People literally say I still have problems because I don't meditate.
> . If you don't want to change your situation (not through meditation, but through doing whatever would make you life better) because normies have it on easy mode then fuck off.
Implying I haven't tried to change my situation. Implying I deserve the situation I'm in.
>>37819363
>it switched from "everybody can help their self through meditation"
except i never said that
stop creating strawmen
>overcome crippling long term depression, find friends/community with the same obscure interests, over come introvertness or embrace it, find a gf that will understand and tolerate a robot or do a massive amount to become normie
you know what anybody who does this becomes? a normie
i'm not going to waste my time arguing with you anymore
>>37819384
>except i never said that
Well multiple people in this thread have.
>you know what anybody who does this becomes? a normie
Wrong. Normies are born and to a smaller extent raised but youre mostly born a normie. Normies dont go through real depression or real problems. They never overcome anything, they just return to their normal base line after straying from it for a little. At most normies can be is failed normies. Only rarely do they go through any real problems or mental illness and if they do they have the extreme advantage of being an extroverted normie with no other issues like social anxiety, aspergers, introverted, no friends or family.