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Explain to me why we aren't meant for this board
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>Implying MBTI hasn't been thoroughly debunked and isn't just extremely cringy
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>>37712277
I'm assuming that you did the test, received an MBTI that you hated, and wanted to spread the salt, yes?
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>>37712919
You never receive a type that you don't agree with because the results just reflect what you think of yourself. It's totally unreliable.
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>Aragorn was a capricorn
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>>37712944
I can see why you would think that. But this test serperates the people like yourself into groups, so the intps would sympathise more with other intps, rather than to sympathise with esfjs.
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>>37712205
We shal inherit the earth my ISTP brother, it is only a matter of time...
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>>37713111
So? It separates people into groups based on their perceived qualities, not necessarily their actual qualities. The test asks "are you cerebral? are you introverted?" And when you reply yes it qualifies you as an introverted cerebral type. Then people act surprised that the test reflects their view of themselves. It's stupid.
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>>37713014

Why not?

Anon keeps tellimg me I'm Cancer, and I'm actually a Cancer, so...
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>>37712205
Is there one for INTP?
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>>37712205
S types are alright, its the F types that should be physically removed
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ISTJ where u at homies
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Because you use extraverted sensing function as your secondary function. You seek to enjoy the world you experience. Us intuitives wallow in existential crisis.
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>>37715612
Holy shit I always thought I was one of the only ones on /r9k/
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Do any other ENTPs wear masks here? I feel like I don't even know what the real 'me' is anymore.
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>tfw INFJ Virgo
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>tfw INFP pisces

Is the zodiac real?
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Why are INFPs so qt?
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>>37716592
But I'm not qt I'm uggo.
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>>37716592
>tfw no INFP gf
it hurts so badly
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>>37716357
hey me
how is your life going?
mine is shit
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>>37716649
Mine is going okay for now I guess.

I hope things get better for you anon.
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>>37716672
whats your birthday buddy?
mine's march 18
good thats things are ok for you :) im drunk at 1pm, been drinking since 10am
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>>37716793
Mine is March 8.

What year?
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>>37715788
of course anon. This is a true entp feel. We don't have a "self"
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>>37712205
>See Yield sign IRL
>Start thinking of pearl jam song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJcQE5chOJE

What kind of trait is this?
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>>37713532
The issue with this is the fact that there is no other human being that can completely and accurately assess the mind of another human being.

You've only got yourself and your own prior actions/history to base your answers off of.
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>>37712205
>>37713465
I'm an INFP, but ISTP looks so bad-ass and cool.

I feel like that's the personality type that is in on some special-force, black water tier shit.
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>>37716842
1991 here buddo.
cool we're 10 days apart.
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>>37716646
>tfw no INFP gf
iktf
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>>37717124
Infp really sounds like a hippie or chill tier mbti. Istp sounds good, and it feels good to have people respect us, however, we feel kind of isolated, and fiercely independent. We mostly try to get along with everyone, but accidentally end up in extroverted excercises and people. I guess it's because we find the intuitive stuff boring and the extroverts like the "fun" stuff. But what would I know. I'm just a sociopath who browsed /r9k/ in the school urinal for morning tea and lunch time.
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I'm an ISFP. It is literally the worst one. I fucking hate it.
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>>37717447
>It's literally the worst one.

I don't think so.
You can probably create beautiful art.
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just lol if you think females have any personality type other than "attention seeking whore"
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>>37717714
>lol
Get out of here faggot
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>>37717746
kill yourself you dirty fucking redditor cunt
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>>37717781
>posts reddit speak
calls other people reddit
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>>37717802
keep talking shit loser melvin kid
I could snap you like a twig while simultaneously beating you at chess
loser incels like you dream of ascending to my level of slayerhood
stay mad little beta virgin
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>>37716357
>>37716649
another INFP pisces here! it feels good being the "cute" one
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>>37712205
>dependable
>want no ties of obligations
This seems contradicting.
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I am an INTP and I lust after womens vagina holes because i want to put my penis into it inside
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>>37718107
>cute one

holy shit is that a pisces thing? im cute wtf
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Most popular MBTI theme discord server:
Dcm6nYu

Great active community, anything goes except for spamming.
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>>37718436
I want to cuddle a woman that is over emotional and feel her immense love for me while we go to sleep.
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>>37718387
We are very dependable. We just dont like long term relationships. I have a pet cockatiel and i absolutely adore how it is so loyal and dependent to me. However, i can see that in the next 5 years, if it hasnt changed and is still dependent to me, i wouldnt love it as much. Thats the fucking worst thing about being an istp
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>>37718900
You have high expectations of that fucking bird,
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I'm an ISTP and my twin is an ISTJ. That's interesting
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who /has extremely high integrity/ here?
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>>37718934
Well im really not used to people or animals relying on me, so I guess it's nice to have someone rely on me
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ISTP here, and my sister is an ENFJ. Pretty weird, i guess
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>>37719046
>job performance review comes around
>first thing my manager compliments is my integrity
>all the people I supervise agree
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>>37718456
pisces and infp are often described as cute
its the only thing i have to be proud of
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Threadly reminder that F types are subhuman
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>>37719286
Reminder that T types are subhuman. They lack the ability to feel, while as F types have a healthy balance of both feeling and logic.
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>INTP
>Can't relate to anyone else
>Feel cold and unemotional 95% of time and intense emotion the other 5%
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>>37719340
>They lack the ability to feel, while as F types have a healthy balance of both feeling and logic.

what the fuck am i reading
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>>37719340
>F types have a healthy balance of both feeling and logic
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>>37719519
Is there any type with a healthy balance?
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>>37719556
S types seem like the most reasonable people
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>one chance at life
>born an INTP
I don't even hate it, in fact I sort of like it. But like I know I'm never gonna get anywhere.
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I'm an ENTP

Twisted fuckin psychopath! Every angel... has a devil raging inside! We all have our sins!

Nah, I'm just an outdoorsy asshole lol
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>>37716592
Im an infp male and this makes me want to kms
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>>37716592
well looks like infps are retarded
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I'm calling all my ESTJ boys.
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>>37716357
>tfw INFP Aquarius
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>>37717124
INFPs can actually be alright outside of the stereotype memes. Not retarded and dependent like >>37716592

My INFP bro is pretty chill. Still fairly depresso, but hanging out with him is very relaxing, and it's nice to listen to all the ideas for vidja he's been coming up with lately. Ne is ridiculously creative.
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>>37719046
Fi dom?

I'm an INFJ, it's practically pretend integrity at this point. Kms
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>>37719286
I've been talking to an ENTP bro of mine, and after gradually coaxing him into not masking himself, I really admire his thought process and the way he thinks, if that makes sense.

All the logic and planning, along with being able to piece shit together easily makes it all seem so interesting. He's very social, but it's all planned and coordinated with a clear goal in mind. T types seem to have better drives and have more potential while not being people-centric.

All of this kind of hurts, as an INFJ. I didn't ask for the redpill.
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>tfw you're a TiNe dating an FiNe since February

Her depth of emotion is so fucking rewarding. If you can nurse a fembot, that fembot will repay you beyond your wildest dreams with cuddling and sleeping galore.
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>>37721551
>>37721617
I really thought that the comic would get more of a lash back, especially considering how many INFPs are on here. Guess they're just not capable of sticking up for themselves.
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>>37722496
You give me hope anon

All those other posts are bullshit though, INFP is suffering
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>>37717802
>lol
>reddit speak
You know how i can tell you are a newfag?
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>tfw infp but hate niggers and kikes and want a white ethnostate
What did Jung mean by this?
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>>37719449
The intense emotion is the worst part desu
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>>37715777
>>37715612
We're the most prevalent types but we have nothing interesting to say so we're just lurking, lurking and more lurking until somebody says the biggest bulllshit ever. Then we go type some big response until our inner voice tells us wtf are you talking to a online retard go back to work.
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>>37717447
What's so bad about it anon-kun?
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>>37723097
He's kurt cobain and coasts through life until he's 20-something. Only then he discovers how shitty the universe and humanity is so he kills himself.
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>>37722844
Now image feeling it all the time over nothing

That's what it means to be infp
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INTP

>enjoy being around closest friends
>avoidant of everyone else

anyone else like this
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>>37723400
You sound like a normal person you retard
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>>37712205
Fuck this shit. ENTP is true suffering
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>>37723778
>E

leave normie, you know nothing of pain
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>>37723778
>E
Fuck off normie scum
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>>37723778
I remember one anon said it really well. I'm only paraphrasing here though

>ENTP
>Normie enough that you crave socialization
>Not normie enough to form any meaningful relationships
>At best you'll always just be that weird guy

>Robot enough to understand robots and feel some of their feels
>Not robot enough to truly understand all the robot feels
>You'll always be seen as just another normie

No matter which group you socialize with you'll never fit in anywhere.
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Someone post those images assigning a character from media to a personality so I can be escapist and feel like I'm just as cool as they are.
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>>37723821
>>37723822
Being an I type is like being born blind. It sucks but at least you never know what you're missing out on. But ENTP is awful as it's like seeing for the first few years of your life and then going blind: you know and appreciate exactly what you're missing out on and what you can't have,
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>>37722767
Do you also cry a lot when you feel like the 14 words are an impossible dream at this point in time?
Because I do.
I think the liberals are sensors. The Alt-Right is a good home for infps.
Hitler was an NF too.
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>>37723926
>I think the liberals are sensors
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>>37723067
It's also likely that most ISTJ's never have heard of R9K due to spending all there time chasing careers and doing their duty. The idea of an imageboard probably doesn't appeal to them, because what the fuck kind of value does it have.
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>>37723926
I think of nothing else but the 14 words.
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>>37712277
>implying this whole pop science bullshit isn't already just an obvious tumblr tier circle jerk
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>>37717124
INFP here
a close friend is ISTP and he goes well with my brother ISFP. I think it's the practial way they live their lives. If they have hunger, they eat, the guitar is broken? No problemo, let's repair it, etc...

ISTP are not like the "meme" so don't trust all the shit you read here.
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>google mbti test
>do first one that comes up
>am INTP-t
Well, time to become a scientist I guess. I dropped out of university when I did chem but I guess I'll do what the test tells me.
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>>37724272
they recommend different jobs for you, and what youd probably like, they dont say
>become a scientist, faggot
Its probably why you studied chem in the first place, instead you already tried it and found out it wasnt for you
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I really want to act like those eccentric types you come across once in a blue moon, but I just don't have the courage.
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istp is suffering

atleast im good at shooting games
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>>37717468
You failed for the isfp are artist meme
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>>37715788
For me it feels less like mask, more like mood. In my good, I'm ENTP, versa - INTP. Sometimes even somewhat close to ISTP and INFP.
The fun thing, is that I've gotten ENTP result a lot in web, and rarely INTP.
So yeah, I can relate to wearing masks.
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>>37716357
Zodiac is as meme tier as MBTI :^)
t. INTP Pisces
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>>37716357
INFP Taurus here.
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Zodiac is bullshit.
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>intp
>brain never stops thinking about everything all the time
>pic related
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>>37723926
I tried being altright for a while. It just went against my values a bit too much, and I ree'd back to libertarian

>>37717342
INFP is the worst MBTI type to be. Permanent depression, having to deal with normies to feel some sense of peace while simultaneously hating the fuck out of them.

>>37718107
Wish i could be the "cute" one. Reeeeee

>>37719286
INFP here agrees.

>>37721551
T h i s
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ENTP is just the Ubermensch, the rest is garbage
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>>37715788
It took me years to figure out I was a ENTP and still debate it daily. I can look at any other personality and be like "Oh, that is definitely me.". INTP, INFP, INTJ, INFJ... the only thing I know about myself is that I cannot stand people for too long, but even that is conflicting. I have zero idea how to describe myself and have taken on multiple personalities. I feel transformations like I am turning into Hyde, then become some brooding individual who hates everything and just wishes to be extremely cynical. I take every mental condition and apply it to myself, then argue how I am perfectly stable and have no mental conditions, while at the same time doubting it and believing myself messed up. At this point I am just hoping I am ENTP so the ride ends.

>>37716912
I believe we are the type likely to believe we have BPD. I swear BDP symptoms and being a ENTP line up. We are walking contradictions that don't make sense to anybody, even ourselves.

>>37719340
I have emotional breakdowns and am ridiculously possessive. I am the maniac who will get a friend and start singing "You Are My Sunshine" before writing poetry on them and drawing MS Paint images on them. I am obsessed to a near creepy level, I think you are quite incorrect to say ENTP doesn't feel. Of course, we are also the type to get cold and detached, acting like we are entirely emotionless.

>>37720804
I tell you, I cannot think of the word devil without thinking of anal lubricant. But I would agree, I am a pessimistic angel and a optimistic devil. I am not even outdoorsy, going to work is enough stress. I like people, but only when those people aren't normies, otherwise they get under my skin and make me act like Julia in Sesame Street. They hear a joke on the radio and they will repeat it while laughing. Why do normies insist on repeating exactly what was heard, like that somehow makes it more funny as opposed to making it as grating as a laugh track? Then they decide to whistle.
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>>37722767
it means you're isfp.
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>>37726201
At least that makes waging easier. I can think about shit all day long to pass the time.
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>>37726399
Holy fuck, you're me. Everything in your post.
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>>37722594
We love you all the same INFJ, you are our opposite and make us quite stable. Our thought process is confusing, even to us, but we do love sharing it to you guys because we love to ramble. The problem is 99% of people don't get what we mean when we ramble, while you INFJs follow along perfectly and accept every red pill or insane deviation from the normal path.

Planning? I don't think that is ENTP talking, we are more spontaneous in our goals. We don't really know where the train tracks are going, we just revel in the fact that we are going over some ground we haven't been over before. Think of it this way, I will go into a store not knowing what to buy and get some food I hate on a rare occasion simply because I avoid eating it most days and thus it is an uncommon experience for me. I need variety, I need unplanned inconsistencies. We ENTPs are the type to brush our teeth one day, then forget the next, then five times to make up for forgetting the last week and forgetting that it was yesterday as we have little idea what is going on. We are ramblers that can't keep on topic and people who are confused with everything.

Yet while being confused, somehow we get things. How that works is beyond me, perhaps it is the logic that we highly embrace, but we tend to overthink and realize stuff. Maybe out of boredom from monotony, we can't just sit there or not have something new going on.

>>37723778
Gotta love it. We are the cyborg type. We feel unwelcome around normies due to our insane thoughts even if we are magnetic in our personalities. Yet with robots we are unwelcome due to being too people needy while at the same time being absolutely in love with them.
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>>37726293
ENTP are just ADHD retards that no one likes and have massive angst
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>ctrl-f no ENFP

what the hell guys surely ONE of you is infp with a little bit more social skill
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>>37726399
>>37726484
As an ENTP myself I've come to the conclusion that we're simply incredibly egotistical. We think so highly of ourselves and are so dismissive of others because we see ourselves as the only true 'people' so to speak. I look at people like a bunch of reactions. I know that if I act positively they will act positively and if I act negatively they will act negatively, but I don't really take the time to think about how they'll actually FEEL, just what their reaction will be. This is why ENTP's are socially driven people but can also detach themselves from their emotions and those of others; because they care about the consequences of others' emotions and not the emotions themselves. ENTP's want to interact with the world, they crave this interaction, but solely on their terms. To an ENTP the world is their playground and things which are not of interest or consequence are ignored.
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>>37726609
But where does this egotism come from? From the ENTP's form of thinking. ENTP's demand a wide breadth of knowledge and at least a reasonable depth too. They enjoy switching from topic to topic at their pleasure and if you have a position or opinion, DEFEND IT, don't just tell me you like something, explain WHY you like it. If you cannot substantiate a thought or belief then you have nothing to offer me. But I don't see it as cruelty but as cutting my losses. After all if we're unable to think in a like minded fashion then what possible relationship can we form? Unfortunately this is where the ENTP's extroversion turns against them. They cannot simply cut themselves off from those around them because they crave social interaction and so if they cannot empathize with and truly understand those around them then they may as well induce those around them to think well of the ENTP in the same way the ENTP thinks well of themselves. This is the part in which most ENTP's become incredibly frustrated: they're witty and charming enough to make people laugh, smile and converse with them if they play their cards right, but not emotionally inclined enough for most people to feel a true connection with them and vice versa.
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>>37723836
This so much. It is lonely being a ENTP, you are distant from anyone and even among the rejects you feel rejected. You are the type that has no idea where to go or what to do, but luckily you don't really care for conventions and go places regardless of the fact people will resent you to some degree.

There is a route out though. It is called INFJ, they are our perfect match and the only ones that can give us a sense of entirely belonging with someone. But the problem is that they are the rarest of the MBTI types. And, due to your nature to probably be bouncing around due to all the creative synapses, you will run into plenty of times where you just don't have a INFJ to turn to if you have even managed to find one. Perhaps it doesn't help that we struggle with continual need for compliments and thus break down into loneliness when we cannot distract ourselves or have our INFJ companions around.

>>37723862
This. I am the type that can quickly become popular in a new place to the point you would confuse me for Chad. Except that I get overwhelmed by all these people embracing me and am emotionally breaking apart inside. Then everyone leaves as they get fed up with you and your mannerisms, I am the type to lose popularity the fastest as well. Then I am lonely and emotionally breaking inside. No matter what I cannot win, I am conflicted between wanting something else and just wanting to be happy.

>>37724643
I think you mean us. ENTP is heavily eccentric and we love being such. All I can say is stop caring what others think. What matters more, their happiness or your own? Remember the former is the one causing you harm, while the latter you can try to convince to hopefully accept you at the end of the day. Just be yourself. By that I mean do whatever impulse strikes you, whether that is seeing a kid walking on the street and chasing after them or yelling out "OOMBA! BOOMBA! DOOMBA!" and run into a wall. Your mind tells you what to do, JUST DO IT!
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>>37726802
And so for many ENTP's they feel there is an invisible barrier between them and most people. They can only advance so far in almost every relationship they have, as though each one has an expiration date or point where it cannot grow anymore. I'm sure many ENTP's have been in a similar situation where you're at some party or something and you're racking up tonnes of laughs and everyone's having fun because of you and the next day, even though you're familiar with the people you met, it's as though you're emotionally strangers.
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>all these long ENTP posts
E typers are normies though, can we talk about INTP instead?
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>>37726895
INTP's are intellectual cowards. At least an ENTP will tell you what he thinks of you to your face or stand by their arguments. An INTP will just pretend to agree with you to avoid an argument.
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>>37726938
But that's wrong, I'm INTP and start arguments all the time when people are being wrong about something.
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>>37716592
>And they will cling to this person
>in a good way
Ha no, I'm pathetic, so much so that I've cut contact with pretty much everyone so they don't have to put up with my clinginess and I'm forced to depend on myself.
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>>37726561
I agree with you on the basis that I love this song called Angst.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAZL4W7koGU

>>37726484
Welcome to the special club. I hope you washed your hands before doing the secret handshake.

>>37726609
I think you are onto something, fellow ENTP. I fear I am empty inside. I get emotionally attached to people like some addicted autist, but then have this problem where I find I just cannot feel what others feel. Someone has something bad to them, it doesn't mean much to me unless I actually have consequences. What you said makes sense, it isn't the emotions, but what occurs due to those emotions that interest us. The internet is great for controlling the terms of interaction, in fact it is one reason why though I long for real life friends to have someone to hug and have compassion with, I at the same time don't want due to the fact that they would actually wish to actively be around me. I love who I love... but I love them on the basis that I control when I am around them. I need to recede, much like a mage in a tower, and even the slightest noise will drive me crazy. It is only through sheer willpower that I don't destroy things in a fit of rage simply because I heard someone giggle too loudly. Perhaps because it is a sensory input I did not chose to have, one not caused by me, and thus bothers me.

As a ENTP, I must say I struggle constantly with word limits. It is perhaps for the best so I cannot ramble too much, but it is a noticeable limitation indeed when I often need to take more away than not because I went over the 2000 character mark.
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>>37722717
>I forgot to play the flute
So the entire time he was just blasting random music and hoping that the snake would dance to his Breaking Benjamin albums?
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>>37723926
I'm INFP and got social liberalism on that political stance test.

What exactly is the appeal of /pol/-tier views for other INFPs?
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>>37726802
Thank you. I am the type of person who creates Youtube videos to rant on a video game and go into 10+ minute long rambles about a certain particular flaw a game had and how it caused my experience to degrade to the point that I loathe the title. I find I often either like something or hate it, if it is in the middle I just get bored. I get obsessed with finding out other people's opinions, I want details about everything and their every thought. This is the main reason for me creating videos in the first place, it is an output for me to speak my mind and to have those that wish to debate or contribute to the conversation to speak their mind. It bothers me that nobody else seems to have strong opinions on anything. How can you not care about what you are doing and have absolutely nothing to talk about?

This is the problem in a nutshell. We seek like-minded individuals to share our thoughts with, we NEED to express ourselves and our every whim to someone. But people seem so uncaring, so vapid. I say something, all they say is "lol" or "ikr" and it drives me up a wall because I want contribution to the conversation.

Your dilemma speaks to me as well. A friendship dies because they turn out to be vapid. I cannot stand them. Yet... I cannot leave. I cannot just recede once I am in a place, which makes me burn out even more. Usually this is when I get bored and in turn start to get more random. I start using the person as a bouncing board for my amusement, to see how they react to various stimuli. I will tell them the weirdest things just to see what they will say. Say this vapid friend asks what I am doing, I will say I am fapping to an image of them or speak to them only in Furby quotes. I have random thoughts, but normally I don't yell them out to people like an autist, but will do such as soon as I need more stimuli than you are giving me.

I am the type to get people to remember me, to want to say hi to me. But these people keep their distance.
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>>37726977
Here's how I see it anon. ENTP's ARE empty inside. That is our base state. Our emotions are not produced internally but are drawn from external stimuli. This is why ENTP's are constantly drawn to new things and why most often an ENTP can ignore the emotions of others; because we do not produce emotions on our own and thus cannot understand any emotion which perpetuates itself instead of being contextualized as the outcome of an action, consequence or situation.
To be an ENTP is to desire situational favorability, not control. By this I mean that an ENTP wants people to act a certain way, not consistently, but whatever the ENTP prefers in the moment
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>>37726961
lol are you me? Honestly though I think I can be alone forever doing absolutely nothing and still be pretty content. I push people away so much thinking they will miss me or I will miss them but they just move on with their lives and although I get hung up as to why they are so quick to get over me I realise that being alone is just want I'm bound to be. And I'm comfortable alone. And that's fine.
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>>37727141
>This is the problem in a nutshell. We seek like-minded individuals to share our thoughts with, we NEED to express ourselves and our every whim to someone. But people seem so uncaring, so vapid. I say something, all they say is "lol" or "ikr" and it drives me up a wall because I want contribution to the conversation.

Nothing vexes me more than this. Whenever I'm conversing with someone as to what their hobbies are I put in a lot of effort to come across as interested because I am. I'll ask all sorts of questions as to why they enjoy it, the technical details behind it, I'll even let them go on long winded anecdotes with the occasional question to really understand what they're saying. But when it comes to MY hobbies, to something I enjoy, suddenly no one cares. At it's not malicious but just a lack of interest. Sure they'll pay lip service at best but they'll generally try to change the topic as quickly as possible or end the conversation and I cannot stand it. Even when I don't give a shit about someone's hobby I at least appear interested, all I ask for is the same. But all you ever get in relation to what you enjoy and what you like is the same old "Mmmmkay"
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>>37723400
I feel exactly the same. Usually I just get one really good friend at school that a be around a lot to the point that people think that I am gay. (also INTP)
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>>37726864
I am the life of the party, I love being crazy, but I just cannot go to a normal party as everyone wants to stand around chit chatting about stuff I have no interest in. Say for example sports, something I find so mindbogglingly repetitive and boring to watch, yet don't have much to rant about because I feel there is so little there and could care less about the subject matter. I want to debate, but debate about what interests me, otherwise I just find it annoying to bring up in the first place.

The problem is that all friendships for us have expiration dates. At some point we are going to pursue some new stimuli that takes us outside of the interest range of our old friends. We will continue talking to them out of kindness, but they become dull and predictable, so we start turning to the experimental side once again. Of course eventually we find the wrong buttons and push them away. Oh well, they never really cared for us anyway, never could appreciate the real us. I have always said I am better at making friends than keeping them. That first time is always the most magical, then it slowly falls apart. I swear most people talk about the same things every time to.

>>37726895
Sorry anon. I love to talk a lot and don't know how to simplify things at all. I am far from a normie, simply because I feel so distant from them and find them so inane. Of course, I feel the same about robots, but you don't get to interact with them unless you get plenty of (you)s. And that is of course giving the fact that they contribute in any way to the wide range of info I am covering.

>>37726938
The worst thing to be is a girl. I will determine how attractive you are and will answer bluntly if asked. Normies found it attractive that I would give such a detailed and honest answer, but always would loathe me when it came time to stating my opinions on them. I am bad at keeping things to myself, at least if I want to say it.
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Holy shit. ENTPs are the normiest of the normiest.

How can someone find them interesting outside of your usual debating partner fodder is beyond me.

INxPs are better t b h
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>>37727147
You speak to me, but are not all emotions drawn from external stimuli? If you hit someone, they will be upset you hit them. If you give them money, they will be happy at your generosity. Neither was something that they would have felt without me punching them or giving them money. I don't think people have internal emotions. It just is that when someone is sad, we will not have the same thing affecting us and thus no reason to be sad, while others are sad because the first is sad, like a domino effect. Thus, with that being of a hive mind, couldn't it be said that the individual lacks emotions even more than us?

This is part of the thing that is bothersome indeed. We want people to be a certain way, just on our certain desires. Sometimes we want people to be sad when we don't really have a reason for it beyond the simple logic that we wish to see others in such a state. If we cannot control the emotions, we start feeling like we don't matter, and thus get bothered. I feel emotionally unstable when people talk to each other instead of me, I need to direct the conversation and be the reason you felt the emotion you just did, for I otherwise feel you are telling me I don't matter.
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How normal is it to have to fake having reactions to things that people tell you or show you because you don't have a spontaneous reaction to what they said because what they said was unremarkable and boring? Most people will just recount mundane details of their life and expect something from me but I always have to fake my reactions to what they're saying because my real reaction is that I don't care and feel nothing about the shit they're talking about. I feel some anxiety because I have to come up with something to say so that the interaction will go well but otherwise nothing. I can pull it off well enough to satisfy most people though. I also feel emotions when I have a reason to, I feel excitement and joy and fear and sadness, just not in response to 90% of human communication.
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>>37717468
The ISFP=artist meme means "is a tumblr hipster autist" in reality
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>>37723862
Meanwhile you're missing out on the introspection and "thinking before acting" ability
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>>37727266
Indeed, the reason I make long-winded discussions is because I am trying to tear apart everything, to clarify every detail, and see things from every angle. I want to know why this thing was great or not. I want to know why you do as well, though I have my own thoughts on a subject I am quite obsessed with knowing other people's thoughts on a particular interest.

Indeed, I often go out of my way to check out things my friends are interested in, just as a brimming curiosity for what fascinates them. The problem is that I usually dislike what you like and so I come back with long winded rants about why I find X terrible and wish to discuss it until we can reach a certain conclusion. The problem is that most people get fed up with explaining, especially since it usually goes "I don't know, I just like it". Usually they don't appreciate me bashing what they like, since I tend to get descriptive and lengthy about every flaw with it. They turn defensive, which should make for great debate, but then they just argue "Well, it just isn't your type" or "I like it anyway" without even describing how it still redeems itself with such overwhelming flaws.

I know that route well. My interests and knowledge is a bit random and more obscure, so it doesn't make for much great conversation. So it just ends with "Never heard of it" or "It sounds fun" without explaining what they found fun from my description. I will definitely seek to learn about your interests, but probably will rant about them. I would be fine with someone bashing my interests in intellectual debate, but it is like nobody even cares either way. Even stuff they know about goes "Lol, X sucks" and when asked why they are like "Idk, I heard it does". It makes for depressing conversations. I want to talk to people, then I get that and realize I rather just seek out more new stimuli.
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>>37727467
>but are not all emotions drawn from external stimuli?
> I don't think people have internal emotions.

Because you're using Fe. Fi people have actual emotions.
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>>37727467
Allow to clarify what I meant regarding externally stimulated emotion. By this I mean that an ENTP feels emotion corresponding solely to what external influence has caused it. If an ENTP is hit he will express anger in proportion to the blow. If he is given money he will express happiness in proportion to the money given to him. Another person will do the same but here's where the similarity ends. Have you ever observed someone talking about something sad that happened to them and then get themselves worked up and up until they're utterly miserable far out of proportion to the original negative stimuli? This is the sort of internally produced emotion that an ENTP does not understand. In that even though the original stimuli which caused the original sadness/sadness was external, the memory of this stimulus and its subsequent perpetuation of itself was entirely internal.

So while all emotions are drawn from external stimuli, not all emotions are produced by external stimuli. The emotion an ENTP feels lies solely in proportion to what caused it and will not perpetuate itself.
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>>37727427
I will bite the bait because I am a ENTP and thus interested to know why you find me such a normie. In fact, the fact that you say we are good for debating partners confuses me, since normies tend to dislike debating anything besides politics and sports teams, two things which feel very conventional due to being discussed so much and thus not as interesting as other stimuli.

Look into ENTP, you will find they are quite eccentric. They are known for going outside the box and having "weird" thoughts that normies can't understand. While we are social, we also cannot be too social without getting overburdened. So without being able to be entirely social butterflies without coming off as that weird guy that likes to be contrarian and argue about everything, how exactly is a ENTP a normie? Simply because they have the letter E in their four letter combination?

Look up the most common type of MBTI individual. A normie is in essence someone who is normal and therefore common in society. Yet it is an introvert, ISFJ, that is the most common. In fact, going by most common in society, ENTP the fifth least common and slightly less common than INTP, who has been said to be your typical robot. So if a INTP robot is not a normie, how can ENTP, who is more rare, be a normie?
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>>37727807
Fascinating, but I would have to concur with your theory. Myself as an ENTP would be quite upset if someone hit me, how dare someone strike a blow to me with no real reason for it in the first place? If I am given money I will be quite happy, I will be quite enthusiastic and thanking you up and down for the unprovoked thought to be so heavily generous. But though both would have relatively powerful (since it is all based on circumstances) emotions, I can't see a reason to get more emotional. The hit already happened, the money already given, there is nothing else adding to the stimuli.

I find it odd that other people can generate further stimuli. They sound almost like tremors, vibrations, of the original impact. I see what you mean about someone talking about something sad and getting more and more upset. That doesn't make much sense to me, since the event already occurred. I can recollect it was upsetting and probably hold animosity to the original generator if I can, but I don't see how one can get more upset or angry. That animosity would be animosity I already had, the sadness being something I admit as a sad event but don't feel the need to produce more tears or get miserable about.

I think this is in essence why when I get told someone is suffering from injury, I cannot lament unless such injury made it so they couldn't communicate with me. There is just no external stimuli until you have them give their absence, which is the lack of a constant stimuli.
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>>37727869
I wouldn't call ENTP a normie, but I'm going to have to respond to this one.

You're taking the argument of least resistance just to contrast the other Anon's point. INFJs (like myself) are the rarest type, but are much more normie than INFP and INTP, but they happen to be more common. ENFJs are often normies, but they make up about 2.5% of the population.

I'd argue that it types that fit in most with the mentality of the mass majority, rather than merely their numbers that make them up. The normies will still make up the majority, and be made of mostly more common types because of that, but there's no restriction to say that less common types can't be a part of that group. Just because ENFJs are involved, doesn't mean that normies still don't make up more than 80% of people. The correlation isn't direct, you're generalising.
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>>37727704
I notice as a feeler type, I don't actually feel a hell of a lot 90% of the time. My emotions are fairly detached from my actions, motivations, and what's going on around me, I stay fairly level-headed.

>t. INFJ
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>>37727572
What's your type? I have a feeling it might be XXFJ or EXTP.
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You wanna know true loneliness
>Being the only reply who's ENFP
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>>37729173
ENFP right here, brother
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>>37729293
>muh xNTJ villains
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>>37729364
Their autism tends to lend itself to villainy, but they can be good.
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>>37729395
>Their autism tends to lend itself to villainy
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>>37729421
Are you really going to argue that xNTJs aren't peak autists? The fact that this bothers you so much is proof enough.
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>>37729436
No, what I'm saying is that you should forget about "villains and psychos are xNTJ masterminds", because it's fucking retarded
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>>37729472
Honestly, I just picked notable characters who screamed of belonging to the MBTI types. It just so happens that some of the strongest xNTJs in the media are also villains. Personally, I think INTJs especially are oft misunderstood. They have very strong moral centers and care for people more than they let on. Even Walter White is a good example of that.
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>>37729508
Orilginalsi
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>tfw ENTJ
>tfw never any other ENTJ's to talk to about the ENTJ life
>tfw when everyone assumes you're some autistic sociopath when they read ENTJ

Maybe not so many ENTJs here because all the self pity and lack of personal accountability is frustrating to reason with. Hopefully you're out there too lurking and giving direction to help rowboats too.
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>>37729624
>>37727427
ENxPs are usually very different in truth to what they convey to other people in a public setting.
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OC
which in itself means originality
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>>37729690
Yea, in public, I appear as a normal person, but when I get home, I browse 4Chan
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>>37729009
See, that is what I don't understand. I don't see an INFJ as being normie at all. In fact, your unique mode of thinking means that you tend to end up rather alone. It is unfair, you INFJs are absolutely amazing, but most just cannot handle you.

Perhaps you are correct, on deeper look a ENFJ seems to have the normie mindset even if they are more rare. I had overlooked this typeset and it appears to throw a wrench in my argument indeed. It works as a generalized rule, but not as an entirely valid case. Look at the socially accepted ENTJ.

The best correlation then, as you said, is those that fit in with society. ENTP does not, they remain detached even when they interact with others and cannot entirely relate to anyone but the one MBTI class that is on the same page as them if in a different way, INFJ.

While not accepted by society, I almost wish to consider INTP/INTJ/INFP as being more normie than us because they have found a group of acceptance and thus a feeling of community, something neither of us can attest to. They do not fit in with common society and thus hate "normies" in that term, but define their own society which makes them normies within their own. Think two budding lifestyles at opposite poles. We are the least normie simply because we are not at either pole and thus not accepted by any community. There is no ENTP/INFJ community, we just are the aliens within either or.
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>>37729293
This is the most bullshit MBTI chart I've seen yet.
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>>37712205
Try being ISTJ on this board.
>Haha wagie
>Ur boring
>No life
>Robotic
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>>37729674
Aren't ENTJs meant to be hyper-achievers? What are you doing here?
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INTP - Schizoid
INTJ - Paranoid schizophrenia
INFP - Major depression
INFJ - Schizotypal
ENTP - Attention deficit hyperactivity
ENTJ - Malignant narcissism
ENFP - Attention deficit
ENFJ - Narcissistic
ISTP - Autism spectrum
ISTJ - Obsessive-compulsive
ISFP - Borderline
ISFJ - Avoidant
ESTP - Antisocial
ESTJ - Paranoid
ESFP - Histrionic
ESFJ - Dependent

Tell me what you think.
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>>37730027
If you are on this board you very likely DO have some problem.

>>37730070
Not him, but those are usually mistyped ESTJs. Just like INTJs who talk about how productive they are are usually ISTJs
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>>37730091
>Not him, but those are usually mistyped ESTJs. Just like INTJs who talk about how productive they are are usually ISTJs

I've been lead to believe both ENTJs and ESTJs are highly ambitious, productive people.
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>>37730116
I got me the sequel to your little chart there
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>>37730175
Ambitious? Yes. Productive? Depends on what kind, ESTJs are the "does loads of physical shit" kind while ENTJs are about things that have lots of actual (but sometimes not directly visible) impact
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>>37730073
>ESTP - Antisocial
You do realize ESTP is Chad right? Chad NEVER shuts up and will impose his will into everything. Think an insecure control freak.

>ENTP - Attention deficit hyperactivity
I entirely agree. I am lonely most of the type and am quite hyperactive. Of course, I would say ENTP also sounds a lot like BPD, personally that feels like the perfect match.

>INFJ - Schizotypal
Definitely sounds about right.
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>>37730070
I works from home and do work as it needs to be done, leaves me with a bunch of free time here and there. Had a lot of bad health problems when I was a teenager that got me started coming here and now it's just comfy. I have irl friends and a gf so I guess I'm normie tier but I still feel like I owe something to this community for getting me through hard times and giving me a distraction so I try to give advice where I can. I also enjoy all the story threads and seeing what people from here end up doing work wise and life wise and hopefully help people get their shit together.
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>>37730219
>control freak
>P

Just no
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>>37730219
>You do realize ESTP is Chad right? Chad NEVER shuts up and will impose his will into everything. Think an insecure control freak.
Antisocial as in antisocial personality disorder. Literal psychopathy.

Prone to bouts of reckless substance abuse, manipulative using charisma, lack of empathy for others.
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>>37730219
>Think an insecure control freak.
Nah, that's SJ. SPs just don't give a shit about almost anything and are often too "laid back"
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>>37730219
I think he means anti-social as 'asshole', not literally 'not a social person'
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>>37730219
You're confusing 'anti-social' with 'asocial'.
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>>37730285
It didn't occur to me that most people wouldn't be as familiar with the majority of these, so let me clarify myself.
>INTP - Schizoid personality disorder
>INTJ - Paranoid schizophrenia
>INFP - Major depression
>INFJ - Schizotypal personality disorder
>ENTP - Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder
>ENTJ - Malignant narcissism
>ENFP - Attention deficit disorder
>ENFJ - Narcissistic personality disorder
>ISTP - Autism spectrum disorder
>ISTJ - Obsessive-compulsive disorder
>ISFP - Borderline personality disorder
>ISFJ - Avoidant personality disorder
>ESTP - Antisocial personality disorder
>ESTJ - Paranoid personality disorder
>ESFP - Histrionic personality disorder
>ESFJ - Dependent personality disorder

Funnily enough, introverted intuitives tend to be the really nutty ones. And speaking from personal experience, I could see Ni's correlation to being psychotic.
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>>37730219
Jesus Christ anon your superficial knowledge is slipping through here. What the fuck are you doing? Pull yourself together and stop going on a self affirming rant every single post.

t. ENTP who is disappointed in you
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>>37729690
>Harley
ESFP
>Wolverine
ISTP
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>>37730243
Chad will to protect his insecurities. He will gain control if needed to prove that he can, that he can control things if needed, and that everyone else is incompetent in comparison to him. He will also gain power to make others respect him. Chad will go about world domination if he feels that is what it takes to get a thousand likes on his Facebook feed.

>>37730259
Okay, you nailed it perfectly. My father is ESTP and fits the bill perfectly.
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>>37729757
Explain the reasoning behing Poppy, Ezreal and Taliyah. I think that Braum would be better ESFJ.
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>>37715788
If everyone was to show their true inner selves the world would collapse. Society is built upon labor and false pleasantries.
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>>37730323
swap ISTP and INTP and the rest is accurate I think
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>>37730427
I'd argue that a show of external self-assuredness can be a sign of true security as much as it can insecurity. The more mentally stable people might not be cuntish, but cuntish and confident don't go hand-in-hand either.
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>>37730339
I don't have much knowledge about anything. Never said I did. I just A. get lonely and B. feel a need to express my opinion because even if it is wrong I learn right from everyone.
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>>37730475
Eh, potentially. I figured INTPs were more infamous as schizoids, but I could see either.

I also thought that ISTP fitted full-on autism better. INTPs might seem to almost always have some degree of "aspergers", but Ti+Se+Ni comes off as much more actually autistic to me.
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>>37730491
That is fair. You need to make a compromise, though, because when you always state the wrong around other people, they'll make a mental note to take you less seriously, making your life more difficult.

It's obvious, but I suppose it doesn't matter as much here. Just making a point because your extroverted autism irks me.
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>>37730486
Well, you are correct in the fact that Chad will often be correct in what he does. He is self-assured he can do it, knows how to go about it, and gets it done. Nobody believes he can possibly do it and he proves him wrong.

But the problem is that he is insecure when it comes to the self, the part that cannot change. ESTP is the type that can easily snap if someone tells them they have a small penis. Say a girl says this to Chad, he responds with something along the lines of "I just never was hard because of how disgusting you were.". You tell him he has any weakness, he gets quite defensive and wants to prove you wrong, and if he cannot he will snap and insult you.
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>>37730491
>I learn right from everyone

WRONG. Truth has nothing to do with popular opinion even on this board and you're not even trying if your own value structure takes its principles from others. Weak ENTP>>37730491
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>>37723067

Yep. Lurking istj here. Sometimes I type up a reply but realize that I'm talking to an anonymous person.
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>>37730584
Perhaps it's something to do with not being used to being insulted or demeaned, but that's just a theory. I'm the exact opposite type, and despite being in the crybaby corner with INFP, it would probably take someone threatening to fight me to actually bother me.
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>>37730363
Harley's love for the Joker and her reasons for doing things are too abstract for her to be an S. She believe that they're soulmates and that she is the only one who sees through to the Joker's true nature beneath his psychopathy. In addition to that, she is a deeply perceptive person when she wants to be and is far less insane than she would typically have people believe, which implies that she says one thing and thinks another: another trait which lends itself more to N than S.

Wolverine is also definitely a Feeler. His decisions are typically made based on what he feels and his moral code and not on objective logic and what he knows. He's prone to letting his emotions get the better of him in any situation and is even something of a romantic when he wants to be. You have to remember that his standoffish personality is not so much the result of being an ISTP as it is the result of years of loss, rejection, exploitation and pain making him a very defensive and untrusting Fi user. When he's around people he knows and trust, he's actually a surprisingly friendly, emotionally sensitive and thoughtful sort. It's just that he doesn't trust most people.
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>>37730578
One of the reasons I have few friends anon. ENTP are supposed to have all this knowledge that I seem to have trouble accumulating and thus seek to obtain. Everyone takes you less seriously anyway if you tend to break social conventions enough, you are seen as the eccentric or even mentally challenged individual that most don't want to have a part with.

Indeed, I am an extroverted autistic individual. That describes me in a nutshell. That is why ENTP belongs here, we are as much autists as our INTP counterparts. We just are the side to never shut up about it, being the ones making a bunch of noise and turning people away, as opposed to being the silent one doing nothing. Not sure how ENTP can annoy someone else with external autism.
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>>37730586
Never said I was a strong ENTP. I am 6w5, the weakest type there is.
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What test should I take? Someone answer me this time.
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>>37730694
I'd like to add that S users typically live in past events and the present, basing their actions and decisions on what has previously worked for them and what is commonly accepted as being the right way of doing things.

N users, on the other hand, live in their dreams and the future, basing their actions on what they intuitively believe to be the right course of action in any given situation based on their ideas of what is important to them. As such, they typically try new methods more often than tried and tested ones.

Which one sounds more like Harley?
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>>37730637
Perhaps. It is Chad's biggest weakness. He is proud, skilled in society, and can pretty much do whatever is thrown at him. But he relies on the opinions of others to an extreme amount. He won't take a shower because it benefits his health, but because he doesn't want others to think he smells bad. He will not buy a fast car for his enjoyment, but to have it as a trophy piece and say that he owns it. He is the type who wants to make posts on Facebook and gets upset if only a few reply, feeling his words have the most importance, and will start uploading more photos of his accomplishments to prove all the stuff he did. Chad is always getting new awards, achievements, and anything else he can acquire to say he did it and prove that he could do it so those around him know he did it.
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>>37730524
I don't think it's a good fit for either of them. The only similarities I can see are trouble socializing and obsessive interests in odd subjects, whereas people with autism personality disorder generally possess very little self-awareness and are overly dependent on routine, which isn't true of either INTPs or ISTPs.
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>>37730778
>What test should I take? Someone answer me this time.
http://keirsey.jung.test.typologycentral.com/
or
http://keys2cognition.com/
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>>37730716
It depends on what you want to do. If you really want to get ahead, you'll have to be able to blend in, talk to anyone. Just getting by in life requires some degree of social compromise, people's insides are selfish, standoffish and ugly. Don't excuse yourself for things just because you set an expectation for yourself.

It can be a particularly isolating feeling when people are acquainted with your carapace, and not you, though. I feel like I'm living life through a mask at this point, like it uses me more than I do it. But I obsess over deciphering what I'm actually feeling so often it could just be paranoia. INFJ feels.
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>>37730435
Sure
Poppy: She seems extremely extroverted and energetic with the things she says. She comes over as a very socially oriented person.Most of her quotes are sort of impulsive, and don't have much substance.
>The hammer does most of the work, I just swing it.
However, she does have deeper reason to fight. She does have a moral cause to which she's convinced, and i'm not sure actually. I think thats the expression of her Fi. Now that i think about it, I have to admit that the 'N' is rather hard to defend. But ESFP seems off as well, to me at least.
Ezreal:
Ezreal comes over as a very independent person, whose main motivation is fun and exploring new things.(S) He loves danger and adventure, and hates structure.(P)(becomes more apparent in PFE) is confident and takes a lot of pride is his skills. Also he never says a word about anyone but himself. Not even in PFE.(I)
And finally T because is curiousity, and apperently he does research.
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>>37730842
What type would you consider most likely? Out of curiosity.
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>>37712205
if you are anything other than INTJ you are human waste deserve to be sterilized for the sake of eugenics
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>>37730876
>Ezreal comes over as a very independent person, whose main motivation is fun and exploring new things.(S) He loves danger and adventure, and hates structure.(P)(becomes more apparent in PFE) is confident and takes a lot of pride is his skills. Also he never says a word about anyone but himself. Not even in PFE.(I)
That really seems more of ESTP than ISTP. I'd say that Graves or Lucian could be more of a ISTP.
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>>37730909
There's no need to act so tough anon, we all know INTJs are big softies on the inside.
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>>37730909
>INTJ trying to trick people into thinking he's all tough and emotionless when he's really just a sensitive soul who's scared of being hurt or exploited

coochie coochie coo
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>>37730944
INFJ here, honestly mature INTJs seem pretty cute. I wanna keep one.
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>>37730073
My ex was an ESFP and she did anything she could for attention. My current GF is an ISTJ and she's an absolute control freak, except in the bedroom where she lets me act out my sadistic ENTP fantasies.
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>>37730435
Now Taliyah: Now that i think about it: she really doesn't strike me as an Fe dominant. However, while manually typing her, I keep getting ESFJ. Maybe she's introverted? Maybe that makes more sense. I have no idea.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jKSNU9IUdI
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>>37730874
This is my problem. I cannot conform to society's expectations. It just isn't me, it would lead to complete unhappiness. I don't want to have friends that can't accept me, but the rare INFJs that can. A few quality friendships are more than enough, but this is my problem with general society and why I have learned it is better to be reclusive outside of the internet.

The problem I find is that I try and do all of this, then I put on a mask anyway and draw a lot of people to me. It takes a long time to figure out who is even loyal to me and not just a mask I don't know I am wearing. You have to love the "But I sense the good in you! You just need love!" that many of these put out. If they truly loved me, why could they not accept me for me?

A bit destructive to throw away that many friendships and it does cause quite a bit of pain, but the good news is that the magnetic side of ENTP to lure in a constant stream of new friends means I can jump from tree to tree. It just takes some people longer to realize just how bad my autism is because they want to see me as just a unique and cool person. I live with what I have been given, a INTP at least doesn't have to care because nobody will bother with them in the first place. An ENTP is living a life of "close" friendships and eventual rejection, meaning you learn to expect expiration dates on everything and just focus on yourself.
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>>37730998
>sadistic ENTP fantasies
Wait... are you telling me ENTP is tied into this as well? I thought I was alone in having extreme fetishes of domination as an ENTP. I cannot accept anything less, I am bored and perhaps even repulsed by vanilla.
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>>37730990
Funny, because INFJs are the opposite in my experience; an amiable and relaxed exterior with a cold, serious interior. In essence, you have strong values and you're willing to do whatever's necessary to uphold them. Also, you never let go of a grudge and you feel frighteningly intense hate for people that you consider your enemies.
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>>37731026
Yeah, that was i thinking about. Just listen to Braum quotes - pretty Fe ones.
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>>37730927
I get where you're coming from, and you might even be right. I thought of him as introverted, because he is so fiercely independent, and he is always, also in lore and stuff depicted as a loner, who never depends or engages with other people. ESTP's are in my mind, more focused on other humans, and sort of external success. But perhaps I'm misjudged E for being exclusively socially extroverted.
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>>37731116
ENxPs are the kinkiest. INxJs are pretty kinky too, but they lack the ENxP sex drive to back it up.
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>>37731074
I've mostly given up on getting anywhere socially, although an unlikely gf wouldn't be bad. I keep up a mask, entertaining enough to keep people around, but weird enough to me I can give myself the illusion this is somewhat true to myself, whether it is or not. I have a few friends that I can almost take off the mask for, but even then, I can't take it off entirely.

Sure, I can crack jokes, but I don't have the same charisma as an ENTP, for example. If I lose the few friends I have, I'm not going to get more. I'll just sit inside and wait to rot and spoil.

To have friends I need to keep the mask. Everyone does things for selfish reasons, and in friendship, it's mutual entertainment and validation. People find me funny, insightful, and enjoyable to be around. Deep down I want to scream. But then, I wouldn't have friends, and it wouldn't have been worth it.

It feels calculated.
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What's your MBTI type? What are the types of your immediate family? What are the types of your closest friends and your significant other if applicable?
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>>37731121
I've always reveled in how edgy INFJs are described on /r9k/. It isn't wrong, though, especially for more unhealthy types you may find here.
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>>37731123
Yeah Taliyah is probably ISFJ then. Might as well: whats your take on her?
As for braum: I'd personally type him more as ESFP. I mean look at this:
"Sometimes, shield becomes smashing board."
"The goats are wise; eat everything, climb everything, and if something kicks you, kick it back!"
"Ooh! Now I need marshmallow." (when you buy sunfire cape)
This really resonates with the non-caring attitude of ESFP's. As well as with the Se as dominant function. It seems as if he isn't battling to win or anything, but more because he wants to have fun. He literally cares for his enemies sake. He isn't even sure if he has ones:
"Today we fight each other. Tomorrow, we may fight together."
He's just a nice guy who doesn't really care about things other than being just that..
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INTP

Wanna know if anyone else has had a similar event:

>the first time I took ecstasy it caused me to go into a hyper logic loop thought train about who I really am
>I started to tear up because it was the first time I had felt emotion in years and it was overwhelming

I can't be the only person to have experienced something like this
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>>37729047
INFJ is one of the coldest feeling types.
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>>37731436
>>37729047
They use Fe which is typically colder and more detached than Fi
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>>37731239
I pretty much have just accepted no girl would ever want me for me, could love me for me, and would cause more harm than I ever have known. Needless to say, I don't mind being in the friend zone at all. Usually females are a type I can't stand anyway, the only type I can get along with is INFJ and good luck finding one of those in your every day life.

I have no idea at this point what is and isn't a mask. I just do what I feel like and let the pieces fall into place. Being ENTP, my autism comes across as quirky and actually somewhat charming to some individuals to begin with. People like my individuality to begin with, but then get upset when I am too much of an individual to be exactly like them.

I don't even mean to crack jokes, but people around me all the same will be drawn to how "funny" I am. I can imagine it being hard to be an individual if you are afraid of losing the few friends you have. I just never really cared about that. It is painful to have them leave, but I also admit they aren't the ones I want around me. Being true to myself is the most important thing, others are secondary. Of course, the biggest problem is I have no idea what self I have or what I want for myself, so I just act on my impulses in a rather contradictory manner. I know to tone it down to hold down a job, I like material possessions, but beyond that I love just doing whatever I do.

Friends just don't feel worth it to me. I rather be free and alone than have a bunch of friends and be constrained. As I have said, I draw people anyways, so as long as I am somewhere like the internet where I can generate new voices I am fine. Reality is pretty bad, you see the same faces and they come to dislike you over time for being different. Worst case scenario, I run out of people, change my name online while remaining the same in mannerism, and go again. Having multiple personalities, it isn't at all untrue to myself.
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>>37731383
>my own
INFJ
>father, step-mother
ENFJ, ISFJ
>mother, step-father, sister, half-brother
ISFP, ISTJ, ENTP, ISFP
>friends (in order of closeness)
ENTP, INFP, INFP, INTP, ENFP, ENFP, INTJ
>significant other
You're kidding, right?
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>>37731411
>Yeah Taliyah is probably ISFJ then. Might as well: whats your take on her?
From quotes, she seems more of a ISFP because she's very keen on surroundings especially about earth and she has very strong moral code against Void and Noxus.
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>>37727119
I'm an INFP monarchist traditionalist. The appeal to me is the knowledge that decisions are going to be made solely by one individual with (hopefully) the best of our nation at heart. Democracies are messy and just end up in total mob rule.

I like traditionalism because of the sense of closeness with others that we once had that we no longer have now. It's sad to me that my grandparents would have known everybody in their area but I don't even know my neighbors name.
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>>37731463
It's not necessarily that I can't get sick of people. Most of them sicken me, but that's more of a reflection of myself than of anyone else.

I just know that if I continue to let what few friends I have drift much further, I don't have anything. Except for Discord whoring or a family member or two. I'm not that cocky, if I tried to stop talking to literally everyone, I know I'd be much worse off.

There's other things to do, but unfortunately, homo sapiens is a pack animal.

4chan is good for over-sharing, I can't say any of this irl.
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>>37731383
>me
INFP
>family
I've tried to get them to take it but I think they forgot
>friends
Haha good joke
>significant other
INTJ
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>>37731470
>ENTP girl

That's kinda hot
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>>37731582
I wouldn't, personally. With experience with her, I think being an NT female does much more harm than good.

Much the same as an NF male being suffering, the same is true for NT females. You can tell which ones are legit, because they won't hold down more than three or four friends for very long. At least she's not an introvert.
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>>37731634
>the same is true for NT females
Why?
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>>37731383
INTP, no fucking idea what anyone else is.
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>>37731236
I'd argue otherwise. My ESFP ex thought my fantasies and desires were too deranged (she was more into daddy Dom and age regression) but my former ESTJ Dom and ISTJ mentor and my current ISTJ gf point out that I'm too afraid to act on my more aggressive fantasies outside of basic rope and device bondage and rape roleplays.
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>>37731660
In the same way that NF males are thought of as pussies who fail to meet the standards of traditional masculinity, NT females are thought of as bitches who fail to meet the standards of traditional femininity.

Effectively, NF males are too soft and NT females are too harsh.
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>>37731733
>NT females are thought of as bitches who fail to meet the standards of traditional femininity.
Too bad they still spread legs for Chad.
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>>37731706
ESFPs aren't kinky, they're just slutty. Similarly, xSTJs aren't kinky so much as they're just bossy/submissive inside the bedroom and outside of it.

A true kink master has a wide-spanning variety of kinks both mainstream and obscure and so they're usually Ns with a strong concentration in ENFP, ENTP, INTJ and INFJ.
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>>37731660
NT females can't get along with the regular females (NF/ST/SF).

But, since females are practically their own species in the way they act in comparison to males, it's not like having male "friends" would work either. It's a social limbo, like being an NF male.

Her ENTPing could quickly gather friends, but she'd piss them off or ditch them just as fast. Don't get me wrong, she's as obnoxiously female as any other, she just doesn't mix with them.

Watching your little sister you grew up with put on the happy Ne-Fe act, despite never going out anywhere and having poorly hid cuts on her wrist kind of hurt. I wouldn't advise going after NT females, though, because people that hurt like that will probably hurt you too.
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>>37731383
>Me
INFP
>Mom
ISFP
>Dad
ENTP as FUCK
>Brother
Took 16 personalities test and got ESFP, I can kinda see it but he doesn't fit the stereotype at all, fairly reserved person in general but also very physically active and impatient. Got offended when someone insulted a haircut I had.
>Grandma
ISFJ
>Closest friend I've had
ESTP, he once told me that we were nothing alike, hurt fucking bad but I knew deep down that it was true. Good guy but I haven't talked to him proper in a long while.
>Former oneitis
ENTJ who I thought was an ENFJ, extremely kind person in either case, I think about her almost every day though we haven't talked in months and I still haven't finished the book she let me borrow since I'm a POS.
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>>37731765
Everyone loves good-looking people, anon. That's just a fact of life. That being said, an INxJ female is a lot more likely to care about your personality than any other variety.
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>>37731791
>That being said, an INxJ female is a lot more likely to care about your personality than any other variety
>INTJ female
>Caring about you
No way.
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>>37731843
Fi stronk, if you were good enough to break through the Ni and cold Te then she'd love you like an INFP would.
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>>37731843
INTJs still have feels, deep down. They're more accessible as INTJs grow up.

Ni > Te > *Fi* > Se
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>>37731843
INTJs are pretty feelsy
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>>37731890
>if you were good enough to break through the Ni
How can you break Ni?
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>>37712205

What are some examples of female ISTPs?
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>>37731383
>mine
ENTP
>father, mother
ETSP, ENTJ
>friends (in order of closeness)
INFJ, ISTJ, INFJ
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>>37731768
ESFP's are sluts. I've noticed most of the women and men I've had sex with are ESFP's, with the exception of my current ISTJ gf and my INFP ex. My ESFP ex's all turned into major whores after I dumped them or found some way to weasel me into an open relationship.
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>>37731960
Real of fictional? Black Widow from Avengers is ISTP female
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>>37731383

Me
>ENFP

Mum
>ESFP Lovable Goof

Little Brother
>ISFJ Day-Care Worker

Grandma
>ESTJ Hardass

(Deadbeat) Dad
>ISTJ Normie

Best Male Friends
>ENFP Mad Scientist
>ENTP Comedian
>ISTP Degenerate
>ISTP Chill Dude
>ESTJ Weirdo (Seems normal but will occasionally come out with weird shit said completely straight that makes us laugh)
>INTP Nerd (Hard to know, but a funny and witty guy once you do)

Best Female Friends
>ISFP Lesbian
>ENFP Weeb
>INFJ PhD Student (The most put together person I know)
>ENFP Histrionic Tumblr Girl (Kind of annoying/selfish, but heart in the right place)
>ISFJ Mum Friend
>ESFJ Camerawoman

Girlfriend
>INTJ Creepy Girl (Is standoffish, sharp-tongued and creepy to most people, myself included, but it's mostly just an act and I live for the moments where she tries to make her love for me clear in the most roundabout and indirect ways possible)
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>>37731383
>me
INTP
>Father
ISTJ
>Mother
INTJ
>Sister
ESFP
>Friends
INFJ, ENTJ, INTP, INTJ
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any other ENTPs here with great issues expressing themselfs though text here? Is this a common thing or is it just me?
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>>37730743
Enneagram 6 is usually SJ though
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>>37729436
I just want you to sit here and think about the fact that you posted an image that doesn't make Spock a rational. Apparently, according to you, he is the very same type as Vegeta.

Just think about that, mull it over, and then you'll figure out why you should never ever post anything ever again, because it will inevitably be stupid garbage.

good luck to you ~<3
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>>37731987
Both work. Thank you
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>>37732123
I have an ENTP friend that can articulate himself fine irl, but it near impossible to have any conversation with through text.
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>>37732130
Spock's very grounded in reality and past experiences. He's rarely willing to colour outside the lines and relies heavily on what he's been told is the right way to do things. He reacts to any dangerous or unconventional new plan with apprehension and reluctance to go along with it, regardless of whether or not it might work better than the traditional way of doing things. He has strong habits and methods and relies on tried and tested systems above all else.

The guy really doesn't seem like an N to me. Just because he's smarter than the average ISTJ, doesn't mean he isn't one. An INTJ would be nowhere near as consistently reliable, orderly, rigorous and conventional as Spock constantly strives to be.

>good luck to you ~<3

Don't be a fag.
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>>37732130
>Implying Vulcans aren't an entire race of xSTJs

That's illogical.
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>>37731557
Fair enough. I tend to take the route of a pessimist, believing everyone will end up hating me in the end, so I just make the best of it and try to have some good experiences before I am left. I am selfish in a friendship, I focus on my enjoyment because I know focusing on you will be pointless when you get fed up with me. I have more trust in an INFJ than others, my past has shown they are the most loyal and willing to stick around regardless of what I show.

It isn't a matter of being cocky. I know I would be worse off without people as well, though I have had bouts where I resent people in general due to not knowing any INFJs. I just hold my ideals in such a limelight that I cannot step down. I believe everyone should be true to themselves, I wouldn't mind if nobody had masks. I believe the things we mask, intentionally or not, are quite similar, which makes me feel good to know I am not alone.

I am definitely a ambivert. I spent a long time believing I had to be INTP due to my general loathing of people in general and my stress when surrounded by people in a chaotic environment. But I have the magnetic side of ENTP regardless and am extremely vocal, I just need good periods of isolation as well as extroversion.

Oh, I blab like crazy on 4chan. I wouldn't share most of this stuff unless you were my best friend. Being anonymous means even if I am found a horrible monster, I can return to the shadows and emerge as some other anon. You never know when you are talking to me and not some other autistic ENTP.
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>>37731843
>muh evil mastermind meme
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>>37732148
Real:
Scarlet Johanson
Ellen Page
Demi Moore
Emily Blunt
Anna Kendrick
fictional
Annie Leonhardt
Katniss Everdeen
Lisbeth Salander
Toph from Avatar
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>>37730842
I agree. Personally, I'm INTP and I see myself as leaning more towards Avoidant personality disorder, but I can see INTP overall as being schizoid. For ISTP I'd say Antisocial or sociopathy rather than autism.
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>>37731383
>>37731383
>Me
INTP, although I am considering that I may be INTJ as the keirsy test ranks Ti=Ne>Ni as my most used functions.
>Mom
90% sure ENFP
>Dad
90% sure ISTJ (maybe P)
>Brother
Not sure, definitely IxxP though
>Friends
Not sure, but out of my 3 friends my best friend is likely an INFP, and my other 2 are likely INTJ and INFJ.
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>>37732314
Perfect thank you!

I can't compare to any of these people ;_;
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>>37732433
>I can't compare to any of these people ;_;
Why not? The main thing is assertiveness.
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>>37732358
ISTP and INTP both seem to have a notable amount of schizoids, at least on /r9k/, but that might just be confirmation bias, with folks like that gravitating to anonymous sites and this board specifically. Nevertheless, schizoid INTP are the true robots.
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>>37732264
I wish there was a world where I would never need to use a mask, and I could always understand exactly how people felt and what they needed. I could actually have an environment where I can come to understand what I actually am.

The more I try to understand how people tick, more questions get raised than answers. People may act on simple desires at the very lowest level, but with constant interaction with their own values and their environment, people are so fucking complex. It's gotten to the point where it seems like it's too arbitrary to take what people say at face value any more.

I guess I just find it very hard to trust people. I tend to be strenuously aware of how things are in the exact moment, but it's hard to explain how. Ni for you, I guess.

I want to avoid taking any responsibility for people's actions. I know, if you asked someone if they were responsible for some rando, they'd say "What? No?" But I use it as a means of ignoring other people, because I can't trust them. I'm only responsible for myself, and them for themselves. If they get hurt - that's their problem. I expect that they wouldn't help me either.

I'm aware it's an excuse, but the feeling's so far lost I can't bring myself to change my attitude. I'm consciously aware of my empathy and feeling becoming gradually more suppressed, but I don't do shit. Rather than being sad, now I'm just there. I don't connect, and nothing happens.

Mentally dissociating from my own life is starting to induce genuine depression, though. I'm not sure which came first.
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>>37732124
Trust me, Enneagram 6 applies to me. I lack confidence in almost everything I do. I turn out alright due to being an ENTP, but always fear next time I won't. I have extreme fears of abandonment which conflicts with my acceptance of everyone eventually leaving me with time. But an even greater fear is the loss over control over myself. I could not contemplate suicide, doing anything illegal, or drugs. If it is something I feel would inhibit me in the future, I am terrified of it. Not due to a lack of commitment, I make choices and try to live by them, but because I fear losing control over my life and everything within it. Death is naturally one of my greatest fears, it is the ultimate loss over control of oneself.
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>>37732457
I think in the real world it translates as being a pushy bitch. People already don't take me seriously.
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>>37732196
tfw INFP and it's the opposite, I'm great at writing but I'm a mess when it comes to actually talking to others.
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>>37732650
>People already don't take me seriously.
Whats wrong?
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>>37732196
Over text I actually find it leads to a greater release of emotions than in person, where the ideal people I imagined aren't as ideal as I think over text. Basically I imagine you all as really hot anime girls that secretly want to have sex with me and thus it makes it a lot easier to talk to you this way. I can't stand females if they are non-autistic.
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>>37732408
>"Network"
Snarky as fuck IT guys.
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How do I tell if I'm an INTP or an INTJ?
I've always considered myself an INTP, but recently I've noticed myself using Ni a bit, so I took a functions test out of boredom and sure enough my stack was something like Ti=Ne>Ni>Te>Fi>Fe>Se (I'm only 100% sure about the first 4 btw)
The result still said INTP though, but I'm curious, what are the main differences?
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>>37732699
What are autistic females like?
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>>37732711
The functions aren't dichotomous in reality, like what most shitty tests claim. Most people use a mix of everything.
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>>37732675
Nothing today. It's one of those things that has always been a constant in life.
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>>37732767
>It's one of those things that has always been a constant in life
What are the other days?
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>>37732801
>What are the other days?
Damn, i meant things.
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>>37732711
This >>37732751

Not from a test, introspection, but I'd say mine is something like

Ni>Fe=Ti>Te>Fi=Ne>Se=Si

I'm an INFJ, but atypical, nearly an INTJ. Which explains why I used to have so much difficulty in understanding it, but after some further reading, it made much more sense to me.
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>>37731383
INTP

ISFP mother and ISFJ father and ESFJ sister. I get along with them all well enough, though I feel I have to suppress myself significantly to so, but that's the same for every interaction I've ever head in my life. My relationship with my father is somewhat odd in that we share the same functions but in a different order, so for the longest time I could sense some core similarity between us and yet also that we were very different from one another. It essentially means that although our perspectives are similar we reach them in an entirely different way, so that even when we agree upon a subject we seem to frustrate each other with our methods of reasoning.
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>>37732864
>Ni>Fe=Ti
That's 3 out of 4 INFJ functions.
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>>37732889
Followed fairly briskly by decently developed Te and Fi. Ni is both an INFJ and an INTJ dominant function.
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>>37732931
>Te and Fi
They're like strains of INTJ
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>>37731383
>Me
INTP
>Mom
Hard to tell the exact type, she's definitely a Feeler though.
>Dad
I could be wrong, I'd say ENFJ but also could have been INFP.
>Sister
Definitely ESFP
>Stepdad
ISTP or ISTJ
For friends, I haven't really talk to my best friends in a while so I can't tell that much. Though one of my female friends I'm still in touch with is probably INFP or ISFP.
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Trying to make a chart of fictional races from fantasy and sci-fi media which embody certain MBTI types. Anyone have any suggestions for:

>INTJ
>INTP
>ENFP
>ENTP
>ISFP
>ESTJ
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>>37719449
>>37723161
> be me
> INTP
> barely feel anything
> short burst of emotions occour from time to time, mostly followed by shame
> have a very small circle of actual friends
> can't relate to anyone else
> relatives keeps asking why haven't I founda girlfriend yet
> "you seem like a cool guy anon, I can't believe you don't have a girlfriend"
> keep saying I'm just too busy to find one
> Despite reading pic related, I'm still can't encorage myself to have a normal conversation with a girl
INTP is a special type of torture. The one you'll feel but get used to pretty well.
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>>37733014
Well, do you actually want a gf or do you just want to fit in and tell yourself that you tried?
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>>37732568
Same here, it would be great to have a world where I could know I know the real you as opposed to some mask. I would be the one embracing people for those dark flaws, plus perhaps it would make it easier to make me think I am not a monster. I used to loathe myself heavily before some INFJs showed me my worth.

People are complex, that I can agree with entirely. I am a walking conflict that makes zero sense. In fact, I am probably more complex than most, and not in a good way. I am not sure how I would go about explaining what makes me tick, I am very impulsive and just do what I feel, I rationalize it later.

I am unaware of how things are at the moment and usually fear the worst. I have paranoia that makes it hard to trust, too much rejection and people saying they will be your "BFF" does that to you. So many people made me feel like I mattered, only to forget that when something came up they couldn't handle.

I would try to help, but though I am supposed to be good at finding solutions as a ENTP, I just fail at that point due to no experience with the issues people approach me with. I wouldn't expect anyone to walk on egg shells around me, nor me them, I just want there to be mutual acceptance. We are different, lets accept it. Yet if you aren't INFJ you cannot accept me. Or your path is so different from mine that I feel abandoned.

Truthfully, just being there is perfectly fine. You don't need to connect. You don't need to feel my pain. I just need someone who is willing to listen and possibly offer some opinions. It is all I can offer people and all I expect for me.

I have the other problem, I have mixed up my identities to the point I now have multiple in one body and am not sure which one is the real me. I am conflicted in almost every way and I am unsure how to tie it all together. There is a physical reality, but the mental reality makes things more complicated and confusing then they should be. I feel like I need a manual to understand me.
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>>37733014
>have friends
Are you sure you're not a normalfag?
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>>37732860
>>37732801

I spent a long time carrying my hurt. I've moved beyond my edgy phase but I think people still treat me as if I were an edgy emotional teen. I work in a chain coffee shop and while I enjoy the environment I ignored often by my coworkers because I give a shit about getting shit done. I would like to move up but I've been shot down 4 times.

I have a fucky upbringing too and I'm still coming to terms with it. Right now in life I'm trying to work with what I have. It's better than nothing but you know how that green grass works.
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>>37732714
I don't know, never met one in reality. Perhaps that is why I romance them so much. They I assume are autistic and thus heavily clingy, possessive, and love random objects. I see that GIF of a girl with a hat saying she has autism and it is more attractive to me than any porn star. I don't even watch anime, can't stand the voices and them screaming in fast emotions or the boring nature of western series, but I am in love with my own personal concept of anime girls achieved through seeing GIFs on 4chan.
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>>37733042
Probably the "you tried" part. I've been alone for most my life. I've turned 21 2 days ago, I'm still a virgin and I'm studying C++ because my parents don't want me not to waste life on playing games and get a better job than they did.
>>37733116
Not with friends like mine.
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>>37733014
That's all terrible advice anon. Just go after people who you enjoy and like for who they are. They can be a virginal waifu or bitch, but being a bitch or waifu shouldn't be the only factor.
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>>37733166
Having friends make you pretty normal, anon. At the very least you're not a robot.
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>>37733155
>but I am in love with my own personal concept of anime girls achieved through seeing GIFs on 4chan.
Waifubots when, anon?
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>>37731383
ISTP
Don't know, don't have, I only care about myself and I really wish I weren't here
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>>37733214
This is what I want to know. As a ENTP I have limitless erotic scenarios she could be in. I can envision an army of them, each with their own styles and personalities. The best waifus are inside my head and don't even exist in the media. But it would be nice to experience what it is like to have the waifu, to live out the erotic fantasies, and watch her reactions.
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Is it a common thing for INTP and ENTPs to not get along with each other? Because my two friends don't, the ENTP guy might just be retarded himself though
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>>37733193
But what about 21 and virgin part?
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>>37733295
>This is what I want to know. As a ENTP I have limitless erotic scenarios she could be in. I can envision an army of them, each with their own styles and personalities. The best waifus are inside my head and don't even exist in the media. But it would be nice to experience what it is like to have the waifu, to live out the erotic fantasies, and watch her reactions.
My extrovertially challenged NTP brother. This is the true patrician dream.
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>>37733307
Are you one of those tfwnogfforeveralone faggots who thinks just because they didn't get laid before 18 they're doomed, despite otherwise being functional human beings?
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>>37733323
I am quite curious to know what the girl in the picture would be saying. She surely would still be capable of communication, her head looks like it is still functional, perhaps on some emergency battery supply. Would she be thankful that she gave you bliss, even if it brought about her end? That is one reason a waifubot would be amazing, many of my fetishes are quite morbid to the point only a suicidal female would do them for me and I would have lost the female after the pleasure is done. Having a waifu bot I can do my morbid pleasures to and bring back to life would be the happiest thing.
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>>37733299
It depends. The best ENTPs I've known have been very humorous people and competent debaters, the worst have been obnoxious little shits who spout memes and can't string a coherent argument together before losing track of their thoughts.
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>>37733307
Would anything change in your life if you would have been laid? If you're really an INTP then why do you care so much about fitting in in illogical memes?
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>>37733355
No and I think that sort of logic is a complete nonsense

>>37733542
It's hard to stay logical when you live in shithole, where logic is absent
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>>37733528
Thank you. I am terrible at debates. I just feel passionate about issues and ramble about them. Then I forget what I rambled about. I am very forgetful. But also lonely.
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>>37733601
>>37733307
"Well at least I'm not a virgin looser like that nerd" is said by dumb normies to make themselves feel better and not like a complete failure, even if that is what they are
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>>37733642
> tfw my classmate used to say that all the fucking time untill he got a girl pregnant and now has a son.
Anyone want's full story?
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>>37733616
Are you sure you're an ENTP? The ENTPs I know aren't particularly attached to their positions, they will argue whatever point they feel inclined to argue in the present moment while not truly believing it.
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I've taken the 16personalits test 4 times and i got 2 times being an INTJ and the other 2 as an ISTJ

tf those that mean robots?
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what is the difference between INTJ and ENTJ?
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>>37729674
I've met some and all of them were unaware of our similarities and I met some who knew that I was like them but I didn't realize right after.

I guess it's something that you don't really get to know unless you have a certain level of self awareness.

I don't come here to give advice though lmao I only come here to gain type feedback
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>>37729757
Pretty good, familia. Made me do my own.
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>>37733920
Summing it up nicely because there's a lot of differences among the two of them: ENTJs know how to hide their autism unlike INTJs.
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>>37733920
ENTJs are more
>assertive
>people oriented
>dynamic
>goal-oriented
>outgoing
>practical

INTJs are more
>sensitive
>standoffish
>ponderous
>independent
>soft-spoken
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>>37733833
You're probably ISTJ, the tests tend to type people who are intelligent as xNxx types

ISTJ: http://www.typeinmind.com/site/
INTJ: http://www.typeinmind.com/nite/

Here's the difference: SJ types have Si, NJ types Ni. What this means is explained here:
https://www.careerplanner.com/8CognitiveFunctions/Introverted-Sensing.cfm
https://www.careerplanner.com/8CognitiveFunctions/Introverted-Intuiting.cfm

>>37733920
One has Ni as the main function, the other Te. So while they might appear not very different on the outside, there are differences in the worldview, motivation, thoughts etc.
The ENTJ will be much more driven to "do" things, the INTJ more to understanding everything. The usual differences between introverts and extroverts apply too, of course
>>37733996
The actual autismo types are INxP though
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>>37731383
>ENTJ

Family:
>Dad: ESTP
>Mom: ISFJ
>Sister: INFJ

Close close friends:
>INTJ
>ENFJ
>ISFJ
>INFJ
>INTP
>ENFP
>INFP
>ISFP
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>>37734093
P types are all too laid back to be autismos. J is a must have for any kind of autist since it makes them try to keep everything one way and to impress their autism on anyone at any time.
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>>37717447

Nah esfp is worst,you're close though
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>>37733982
>tfw INFP
>a literal fucking robot
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>>37734174
Good, you read some theory. Now read more and realize that what you said is fucking retarded.

By the way, immature INTPs are often literally hair-splitting autimos obsessed with "being logical and correct" about bullshit and impress people with their "intelligence", while INTJs usually don't care about irrelevant shit
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>>37734251
Are you an INTJ by any chance, anon?
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>>37734272
Yeah, is that a problem?
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>>37734235
But anon, you're a qtp2t robot who just wants to be left alone with his cute bird waifu
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>take one test
>get INTJ
>take other test
>Get INTP
>identify with some things from both

????
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>>37734291
I can't help but feel there's some bias going on, my dude. In fact, I'd go so far as to say you're displaying some hair splitting J autism right here right now
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>>37734303
You're a flipflopping dingaling who can't think straight.
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>>37734093
INTPs maybe but even the ones who are assburgers can't get to grasp the autism some of both xNTJ types have.

It is less noticeably so in both of them because they tend to be aggressive but once you overcome their aggression their autistic selves jump out.
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>>37734303
They are pretty different, read this description
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>>37734093
The most autistic types I've ever met have been ISTJs, ESTJs, INTJs and ENTJs. INTPs are kind of weird and out of touch with their emotions, but they never strike me as being autistic and obsessive compulsive about things. And INFPs are like anti-autistic, they have feelings and thoughts about everyone and everything all the time.
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>>37734322
I agree in a very original way
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>>37731771
>poorly hid cuts on her wrist

>am INTJ and used to bully this girl who cut herself
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>>37734500
>tfw I'm an ENFP who bullied someone in school to fit in when I was insecure and scared and now I don't remember hr name and I can never apologise

I'M SORRY I'M SORRY I'M SORRYYYYYYYYYY
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Anyone got the meme of all the types represented by different wojaks.
If it helps I think INTP is wojak looking out to the sunset.
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>>37734361
that doesn't really seem that useful
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>>37734739
INTP: https://www.careerplanner.com/8CognitiveFunctions/Introverted-Thinking.cfm

INTJ: https://www.careerplanner.com/8CognitiveFunctions/Introverted-Intuiting.cfm

Articles on the differences:
http://www.personalityhacker.com/intp-vs-intj/
http://personalityjunkie.com/08/intj-vs-intp-type-differences/
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>>37734588
Here. I actually think this is the only accurate MBTI chart.
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>>37723067
oh god this hit me so fucking deep
I'm having an existential crisis over some shitpost on /r9k/
someone please let the ride end
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>>37735042
What does the INTP Wojak mean?
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>>37735283
>What does the INTP Wojak mean?
He's remembering better times.
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>>37733700
Tell me more about their retard babies, Anon.
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>>37735283
INTPs are outsiders contemplating the world, but never taking part on it
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>>37733295
Fuck share the waifus inside your head, don't hog them to yourself
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>>37729436
>Other IN**s get Gandalf, Sherlock and Neo
>We get Shinji
Not saying it's even wrong but c'mon man
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>>37736021
>Not saying it's even wrong but c'mon man
Shinji saved Earth tho.
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>>37732130
>ISTJ = irrational
The intuitive bias is pretty insane, I can understand why people like the ISTPfag kept shitposting.

ISTJ fits Spock like a glove.
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>>37736116
The idea that it's more complex than intuitives are smart and sensors are dumb triggers the INXX's.
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>>37716357
>tfw ISTP Gemini
what am i doing with my life?
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>>37736225
>intuitives claim to be open minded and intelligent

>stubbornly spew "sensors are dumb" every thread, and can't comprehend anything that isn't black and white to them

activates the almonds
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>>37736116
I don't agree with him, but "rationals" refers to NTs in MBTI. Just like SJs for example are often called "Guardians"

And that shitposter was an ESFP with depression
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>>37736596
>actually thinking the INTPs are being serious
Is this the power of the sensor brain?
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>>37736642
>i was only pretending to be retarded

woah
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>>37736719
No, not quite. It's a kind of bantering and teasing that on the INTP's own cognitive level can easily be spotted as cheeky bullshit and won't be taken seriously, but sensors, taking everything at face-value and being incapable of rapid in-depth thinking keep falling for it, just like every other piece of bait out there.
To explain it simply, it's like pretending to throw a ball to a dog and watching it run and wonder where the fuck the ball went.
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>>37731044
Well that's a bad video
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>>37732087
How is it even possible to have so many friends?
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>>37733616
You sound more like an ENFP. I'm an ENTP and I'll debate any issue from any side just to get a sense of what those around me know and understand. I'll often debate issues I know nothing about just so that I can learn from those that have a truly in depth and accurate understanding of the issue.
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>>37736778
>i was only pretending to be retarded: Extended cut

thanks, INTP ambassador
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>>37736902
No, thank you. Time to time I enjoy aggravating sensors and feelers and seeing them unable to form intelligent or witty responses to the most simple bullshit.
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>>37736856
I'm an ENFP, man.

Making friends is like the one thing I'm good at
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>>37736880
Well hold on now.

I'm an ENFP and I also love a good debate and readily play the devil's advocate. I think ENxPs in general enjoy arguments and debates, but ENTPs do it for the thrill and ENFPs do it for their ideals.
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>>37736980
How do you make friends?
Just out of interest, I don't want them.
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>>37736265
Wait is it bad to be a gemini?
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>>37736970
It's a trilogy now
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Can somebody please describe dominant Ti, dominant Ne, dominant Ni, and dominant Fi in clear terms even a dipshit can understand I need to find out what i am for real
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>>37716592
Mfw I used to be INFP but developed hard Ni and Ti and now test INTJ
>>37717342
INFP can be great assuming you don't lose yourself in your ideals to hard. Being and idealist is great but you also have to have a rational plan to achieve those ideals. It's great for dealing with groups though, you can make everyone feel at ease simply by talking to them one on one about ideals and how to get there while also never giving up on your fight for these. The one bad thing about it is you need alot of time to recharge and then get back out there but often we spend to much time alone and become extremely depressed.
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Introverted (I) 83.33% Extroverted (E) 16.67%
Sensing (S) 50% Intuitive (N) 50%
Thinking (T) 79.17% Feeling (F) 20.83%
Judging (J) 62.5% Perceiving (P) 37.5%

Nigga 50/50 S/N wtf?
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>>37737075
You know what anon? It's going to sound like your typical normie rhetoric and a lazy answer but I literally earned most of my friends by being myself. Before college, I suffered from severe social anxiety. I often found myself repressing my personality out of fear of chastisement or rejection. When I finally got to college, however, I remember making the conscious decision to take the fresh start as an opportunity to stop hiding away in fear and start openly being who I am. It turned out that people genuinely loved my personality and, before I knew it, they were gravitating towards what they described as my "positive energy". My sense of humour went that added step further in ingratiating myself to them and friends gave way to friends of friends who became friends and gave way to more friends of friends.

Now I can't imagine what I was ever worried about. Making friends is almost second nature to me. It's a combination of taking the initiative and reading people to understand what they're looking for and how they feel, and I've always been good at that. Most folks want to befriend others but are too anxious or reserved to do so. The fact that I'm willing to make the first move and extend the hand of friendship alone often goes a great length to winning them over.

From there it's all about listening, learning and talking. Keep an eye out for those subtle reactions to what's being said and done. Always be willing to lend an ear or a shoulder. Go the extra mile and stay loyal. Eventually you'll be swimming in people who can't get enough of you.
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>>37737292
Well that's interesting. You've almost perfectly describe the opposite of me. No wonder I'm alone.
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>>37737351
Chin up, man. It's not about quantity, it's about quality. If you're unashamedly yourself and you keep putting yourself out there looking for people of a similar mindset and corresponding interests, eventually you're going to stumble upon people who like being around you. It's simply a matter of when.

It's like skydiving: the first step is always the hardest, but once you're out in the open air feeling the wind slapping against your face, you'll wonder what you were so scared of in the first place.
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>>37737450
But anon, I already said I don't want friends. I'm perfectly content being alone.
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>tfw your INTP banter becomes straight up insults and you ruin it all once again
>tfw you pull "and I'm the queen of England" style jokes and people take you seriously and you have to explain that you are not, in fact, the queen
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>>37737450
You see, people with a similar mindset to mine hate other people
See where I'm going?
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>>37737487
Why are non-INTPs always so goddamn serious and simplistic when it comes to banter and bullshitting?
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>>37737271
INTJ has Te not ti

I used to be INFP but a calcavade of cynicism demolished my Fi and an intense and discipline journey of self improvement shot my Te way up. I'd say it's my aux at this point, to call it my 4th would be plain wrong.
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>>37737563
I think it's because they still have hopes and dreams
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>>37737477
Different strokes, man. You do you.

>>37737518
Nobody outright hates other people, they just hate their experiences with most other people. The trick is to provide them with an experience that changes their mind and comfortably eases them into trusting and confiding in others. That's how I got my INTJ girlfriend. She was basically covered in thorns when I first met her. Now she's happier, more expressive, humbler and in touch with her emotional side.
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>>37731539
Good to see a fellow Monarchist, God save the King!
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>>37737286

Re-taked the test

Introverted (I) 87.5% Extroverted (E) 12.5%
Intuitive (N) 54.17% Sensing (S) 45.83%
Thinking (T) 87.5% Feeling (F) 12.5%
Judging (J) 66.67% Perceiving (P) 33.33%
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>>37737563
It's not non-INTPs you fucking dolt it's just sensors in general. Level two coversation always has to be lampshaded if you're talking to a sensor, with intuitives, there's an understanding an even an expectation of it
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>>37737573
>>37737271
>it's possible to stop being INFP
How do I do it?
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>>37737584
What exactly do you mean by this? They spend their time doing this inane nonsense, "hopes and dreams", so they never learn in-depth introspection and bullshitting on the same level?
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>>37734588
Stop trying to make us INTJ's look bad.
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>>37737563
In my experience, it's more that INTPs don't care enough about anything and aren't emotionally/socially intelligent enough to realise when they're crossing boundaries. I'm an ENFP and while I love INTPs and am perfectly okay with almost any joke they make, I can tell when they're about to cross a boundary that will get under someone's sin and am basically just forced to sit there and watch it happen.

Honesty isn't always the best policy. INTPs can be too tactless for their own good.
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post more 4chan originated mbti comics and memes you guys
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>>37737635
I simply mean they don't have the same state of awareness an INTP has (though maybe other NTs do) that allows you to understand how absurd generalizations are. It's this absurd that makes you see your "sensors are dumb" as silly shitposting. Without that, they see a normal insult.
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>>37737649
>Honesty isn't always the best policy. INTPs can be too tactless for their own good.
It's not the INTP's problem, it's the problem of the one feeling insulted and upset.
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>>37737690
>that allows you to understand how absurd generalizations are. It's this absurd that makes you see your "sensors are dumb" as silly shitposting. Without that, they see a normal insult.
Why does everything always come back to people being dumb?
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>>37737631
Get irreparably broken. Get your love of people sucked out of you. Stop giving a shit about morality and ethics. Have a strong emotion (jelousy or hate) spur you towards success and relentlessly follow through on your plans. The habits born of this transformation will stick and just become who you are. That's the path from infp to an (unhealthy) intj
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>>37737253
Ti: Very "logical" person, has a consistent thought process that is almost like a programming language and enjoys solving problems that were already solved be cause he likes figuring things out himself, not focused on being productive or his solution working or be efficient in reality
Ne: Sees the "potential" in anything, tons of random ideas, a desire to always experience new things
Ni: Somehow often "knows" how likely things will be and what is important, solving things without thinking, knowing things that can not be sensed but are likely
Fi: A bit like Ti but concerned about own morals and feelings instead of cold logic, have own feelings and wanting to keep them to themself
Se: Having very stimulating (through the senses) experiences
Si: Experiencing things through the senses that bring up memories, caring for oneself and own's body, using memories of past events and similar experiences of others to solve problems
Fe: Noticing and "feeling" the obvious feelings of others, wanting to create harmony between the people in their group
Te: Using logic appropriate to the situation, being "productive"
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>>37737711
well, maybe you can be smart without constantly thinking of the rules behind behaviors and systems. I wouldn't know though!
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People say Hitler was INFJ but how do we know that?
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>maybe you can be smart without constantly thinking of the rules behind behaviors and systems.
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>>37737614
>Be ENFP
>Friends with an ESTJ autist
>So emotionally sensitive about everything you have to fucking walk on eggshells so he doesn't have a hissy fit and cry about being victimised
>So autistic that you have to explain that you're only joking about things to him so he doesn't think you're being a dick
>Gets angered by facetiousness and tongue-in-cheek joking. If you pretend to believe something that's blatantly false, he'll get irked and ask you to stop
>Talks almost non-stop but says nothing. Thinks he's hilarious and witty but mostly just quotes the Simpsons, brings up pop cultural references and repeats jokes.
>Gets unreasonably, excessively overstimulated about games, screaming when he wins and loses and taking it as a personal affront if you act against him in a competitive mode
>No inside voice
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>>37737573
Yes, that is true. I still test INTJ though, dependent on the test I test INTP due to the laziness I still have.
>>37737631
Well the simplest way I can explain how it changed for me was I had to go through a continuum of shit things in my life until eventually I grew hardened and learned that the only thing I could trust was myself, my brain, and my gut. This guy also said it well >>37737717.
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Why are ENFJ girls so popular with guys?
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https://strawpoll.com/b8wxc5r
https://strawpoll.com/b8wxc5r
Vote on your type and gender
Let's get some data on mbti
https://strawpoll.com/b8wxc5r
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>>37737770
I feel aggravated and annoyed simply by reading that. Thank God I don't have to deal with folks like that.
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>>37737753
Because we measured his brain activity, like we do with every MBTi test

But seriously, because we do know a lot about what he was like in private and before becoming a fanatic
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intp-anon here, kys that image is so fucking cancer, you are 100% meant for this shithole
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>>37737795
>Why are ENFJ girls so popular with guys?
No really, most guys prefer introvert girls
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>>37730070
Also an ENTJ and I am here because talent is obnoxious to higher ups and I am super unhappy with everything around my work life right now. I just finished the last IV for my dream job and I don't know anything yet but it's a Silicon Valley kind of company. So if it works out, I am good. If not, I can't even pay next months rent and nothing remotely interesting is available around here anymore.
It's always still up to other people to some degree. And that leads you here real fast. Especially since colleagues make awful friends, I haven't been hurt as much as last year all my life by people I thought I knew. Actual "old friends" are boring and weird to me now, though, because I just expect so much more from life than they do. Their lifestle and the activities they like just freak me out or I just don't feel like I belong anymore. I'm probably already an entrepreneur capitalist but still have a heart left inside my chest, if that makes any sense. That way I'm liked by everyone but no one REALLY cares about me or would call and invite me to something.

Being terrible with women because I am super rational probably also helped.
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>it's another NTs think their shitty banter and jokes puts them in "level two" conversations that others can't understand since they are just that more "intelligent" than others

man. as soon as you call an NT out on their bullshit, they immediately pull out the "you actually couldn't understand me, too deep 4u" card to create some divide, even though it was just shitty conversation. you guys are so far up your own asses, it's unreal
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>>37737694
You'd think that, but you'd be wrong. We live by a social contract and, whether INTPs want to confront it or not, people DO have feelings and soft spots that you have to navigate in order to communicate with them. INTPs do too, they're just not fully aware of them until they get pushed. It's not everyone else's fault for having these sensitivities, it's the immature INTP's fault for being too stubbornly set in their ways and convinced of their own intellectual/moral purity to take such matters into consideration or admit their mistakes. A lot of immature INTPs who haven't developed their Fe wear their lack of tact and social grace as some sort of badge of honour that serves as a mark of distinction between themselves and the superficial masses, but that's a misconception born out of ignorance, not genius. People are communal and emotional in nature and you have to understand how to deal with that or you'll forever be that obnoxious asshole that nobody wants to be around.
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>>37737631
It's not
>>37737573
Protip: look up what an IxFP does when he gets into the grip of Te, because that's what you are currently in
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>>37737848
How popular do INFJ girls tend to be? Do they have a lot of suitors?
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This still being a perpetual thread is more perplexing to me than katawa shoujo general still being alive. Is it just a newfag conveyor belt of people arriving, noticing this and posting their results or are there actually somehow regular posters in these threads and if so how in the fuck is that possible without the existence of ESTP-tan or some shit?
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>>37737880
>even though it was just shitty conversation.
See how the sensor assumes this does not come naturally and easily to the intellectually superior NTs, thinking a shitty conversation would be above these traits and actions, because he himself is unable to understand it and needs to muster all his capabilities to attempt.
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>>37737880
Yeah alot do, I always tell my friends and family to call me on my bullshit because I'm not all knowing. If I'm wrong I'm glad to be wrong because it makes me feel more human.
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>>37737753
>People say Hitler was INFJ but how do we know that?
Cared about people and had grandiose futuristic ideas bigger than himself, that's INFJ
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>>37737741

So
classify my dom trait

>Walk into gamestop
>Automatically assume that the friendliness and chattiness of the cashier is off
>Notice a quick glance from casheir towards a person towards the other side of the room after he's done with a satisfied customer
>Assume the person glanced at is his boss and the cahier is trying to impress him


2

>Just meeting person
>Tell him about job interview
>He says "lol bet you fucked it up"
> instead of getting angry Automatically assume that slight negging is his way of establishing comraderie and categorize him as being of that ilk or that kind of person


So am I ti dom or ni dom?

Because I'm defintiely Te aux so if I was Ti dom then I'm undefined by any of the 16 types
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>>37737795
Their Fe-Ni combination means that they know exactly what to say and do to push a guy's buttons both sexually and romantically. ENFJ girls are basically the ultimate manipulators. They see through you to your heartstrings and delicately tug at them until they're all you can think about. It's second nature to them. Most wont' even realise they're being manipulative.
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>>37737892
>You'd think that, but you'd be wrong
No. All you said is blatantly obvious and does nothing to rebut what I said. The weak sensibilities and senstive feelings of people are THEIR problem and it is simply up to the INTP to decide whether or not he wishes to respect, or pretend to respect them. It's not a problem if he doesn't choose to.
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>>37737896
what is the proof of people who claim types are unchangeable like it's a law of the universe?
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>>37737753
>Wanted to be an artist, but quickly dispirited by criticism and obstacles
>Loved small children and dogs, saw the potential in them
>Willing to sacrifice his own happiness and the well-being of others for "the greater good"
>Powerful public speaker and manipulator
>Very private person when not in a public setting, enjoys being alone with his thoughts and musing on them

All adds up to an INFJ.
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>>37737957
Sounds hot. I want to have my heart broken by an ENFJ girl!
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>>37737990
Debate is useless with an INTP who is convinced of the own purity of his argument and belief system because his unwavering faith in his own intellectual superiority blinds him to other ways of thought and the possibility that they could be equally as rational and rooted in intelligence as his own.

You're free to maintain your belief that everyone must conform to your standards of morality and socialisation, anon. I'm merely explaining to you why nobody finds you quite so charming and witty as you believe yourself to be.
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>>37737944
I don't know if a conclusion can really be reached based on just those two examples, but you might be an Ni?
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>>37737919
ESTP-tan is either with his gf or whining in a tfw no gf thread here

>>37737944
You seriously need to learn how the functions can be ordered, they always follow a certain logic

Ni and Si can be called Pi functions, meaning they perceive internal thoughts
Ne and Se are similar but focused on external things => Pe (external perception)
Ti and Fi are about internal feelings or logic, and can be called Ji (Judging internally) functions
Te and Fe are Je (Judging based on external things)

The e or i of your first function determines if you're extroverted or introverted

You can only have one type of function with the same letter, e.g. you can't have both Te and Ti or Ne and Ni

The possible orders are always these:

Ji Pe Pi Je
Pe Ji Je Pi
Pi Je Ji Pe
Je Pi Pe Ji
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>>37738109
Yeah INTP is really bad when they hold onto their intellectual principles to hard, especially if they're bad. Even worse when they convince others of these points because they're "Smarter than them." Now don't get me wrong, INTP's can be right and they just disagree with someone. I disagree with my friends on politics and I think they're wrong but I understand that they have come to this conclusion because of what they know.
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>>37738109
>Debate is useless with an INTP who is convinced of the own purity of his argument and belief system because his unwavering faith in his own intellectual superiority blinds him to other ways of thought and the possibility that they could be equally as rational and rooted in intelligence as his own.
So, you have no arguments then?
Debate is enjoyable, it's both an intellectual and entertaining pursuit and if you find yourself unable to effectively argue against an INTP's stereotypical devil's advocacy, then the fault and ineptitude lies completely at your own end.
>You're free to maintain your belief that everyone must conform to your standards of morality and socialisation, anon. I'm merely explaining to you why nobody finds you quite so charming and witty as you believe yourself to be.
Woah, where in the living fuck did you pull these retarded assumptions out of?
You're not a sensor, are you? A feeler, maybe?
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>>37727630
>>37725165
It's true though.
ISFP is capable of truly seeing what's on the paper in front of them.

They've got more mental-power than any other type.

They're the artist that has incredible lines. Incredible colors. Incredible everything.

They do something, and they shit all over everyone in their immediate vicinity.
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>>37737056
ENFP here, my hobby is arguing. Everybody hates me.
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>>37731383
INTP

Only know that my father is an ISTP

My oneitis is an INFP that makes me want to kill myself

>friends
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>>37717975
you've never had sex, ever.
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>>37737944
My wild guess would be that you're some feeler

Do you think before acting? Are sometimes bothered by how much people talk? Talk rather quietly and not as much? If yes you're probably introverted

And keep in mind that the functions interact together so the descriptions are never accurate, and that certain behaviors alone don't prove that you use that function and how much

>>37738292
It depends on the person and their intelligence
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>>37738109
>Debate is useless with an INTP
Yeah. If an INTP is telling you their idea, they typically mulled over it for hours. What you're hearing is the "perfect" end product that relies on nothing but logic, or at least tries to. But if you say that an INTP is wrong, they will think you simply don't understand them. An INTP getting called 'wrong' feels exactly like getting called a 'liar' since they try to be objective about things
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>>37738365
It would be beneficial for everyone if the person saying the INTP is wrong had actual, logically sound and intellectually rigorous arguments to back up whatever claim he or she is making. That way it'd actually be interesting and mentally developing. It's far too rare though.
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>>37738417
>actual, logically sound and intellectually rigorous arguments

i think you're forgetting we're talking about mbti here.
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Does anyone know what xSxx is really like?

They seem to be that friend that was really grounded in reality.
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>>37738365
>>37738238
I have a few INTP friends who are pretty interesting and fun people to be around. They're intelligent, witty, laid-back and typically very easy to talk to. I find that most of the INTPs who inhabit this particular board, however, are INTPs at their very worst intellectually, socially and emotionally. They're closed off to any notion which doesn't fit with their overly cynical and pigheaded beliefs and are content to recline in their self-satisfaction chucking insults at people who think differently from them in the hopes that one will take the bait and give them an excuse to flaunt their supposed intellectual superiority.

They're understimulated INTPs who try to use their excess mental energy any way they can, even if it's just by acting like an obnoxious dick until someone calls them out on it, getting into a pointless argument until they give up and then either claiming that they were pretending to be retarded, spewing buzzwords or flaunting their victory.

They really give healthy INTPs a bad name. If these threads were to be believed, the vast majority of INTPs would be unbearable.
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>Used to be INTJ
>Now INFP

What does this mean? Did I grow a heart?
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>>37738459
I meant in general. I just wish people were more capable of argmentation, were smarter, capable of fast analysis and some amount of in-depth thinking on the go, instead of what folk tend to actually be like. People are genuinely kinda dumb.
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>>37738351
I don't think that's true.
Intelligence is a non-factor when it comes to soft-skills like art. You're not exactly launching a rocket to the moon.

Perspective isn't hard to learn, and kids do it all the time.
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>>37738485
Yeah, that's definitely true. Every single person needs some friends so that they don't go fucking wacko.
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>>37738477
I'm an ISTJ
get complimented a lot on being "real" and "easy to talk to"
can't really speak for every xSxx but I like to think that we're an okay bunch
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>>37738477
My brother is ISTP, I'm INTP. He seems less interested in games with numbers or grinding and more in racing, sports, etc. He reads almost exclusively humor comics. His fetishes are very vanilla compared to mine. Overall, he seems less interested in fantasy, horror, muh conspiracies etc.
Other than that he's just as autistic.
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>>37738503
>>37738417
I don't think there was anything remotely illogical about my argument, you just didn't believe in the mindset and values it espoused and so it became illogical in your eyes.

There's nothing illogical about the idea that social grace and tact are both beneficial traits which one must cultivate in order to get ahead in society.

There's not unsound about the idea that everyone has emotions and feelings and that t's as much your responsibility to be wary of them around people who are reasonable about their boundaries if you don't want to come off as a douchebag.

It's more illogical to think that everyone who isn't an INTP is doing it wrong by getting offended when the INTP takes things too far but you seem to have this solipsistic mindset which asserts that most people who aren't you are morons and therefore their beliefs and values are invalidated by yours.
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>>37738485
I have a relatively healthy life and come here to shitpost all day tbqh
It's just fun
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>>37738485
>I have a few INTP friends who are pretty interesting and fun people to be around. They're intelligent, witty, laid-back and typically very easy to talk to. I find that most of the INTPs who inhabit this particular board, however, are INTPs at their very worst intellectually, socially and emotionally. They're closed off to any notion which doesn't fit with their overly cynical and pigheaded beliefs and are content to recline in their self-satisfaction chucking insults at people who think differently from them in the hopes that one will take the bait and give them an excuse to flaunt their supposed intellectual superiority.
Welcome to anonymous posting 101. There's no incentive to put on a front and filter output when chucking shit at full speed and seeing what sticks is so fucking fun. Is this genuinely just an INTP thing, or the end-result of too many years on this site?
>They really give healthy INTPs a bad name. If these threads were to be believed, the vast majority of INTPs would be unbearable.
Because you're in an MBTI thread on an anonymous imageboard. It's a pseudoscientific, inaccurate and unreliable personality measurement system that is taken altogether too seriously by many here. You will not find serious discussion from INTP here, unless the discussion derails onto another topic.
Though admittedly people you described do exist in great amounts here. INTP who never mature, or are simply too young, the latter I believe are a great percentage, are annoying and almost autistic in their behaviour.
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>>37738511
If we're talking about how good something looks purely from an aesthetical point of view, sure, any Se user will likely be good at that
But you mentioned "brain power" so I thought you meant creating art with a deep, not so obvious meaning, aka having intelligence
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>>37738587
>in order to get ahead in society
This is the problem here. It's not the mindset, but the objectives. What makes you think he wants to "get ahead in society"? It's too much work to obtain stuff we don't care about that much. Appealing to others is something we do in order to be allowed to do our stuff, and be left alone.
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>>37738597
I get that. It is all a part of anonymous posting. I've been here for years. Maybe it's just that I'm getting too old for this shit, but I can't help but just feel worn out by all the shitposting after a point. I understand why it's done and I even get the appeal to a point, but it can all get to be so tiresome. Sometimes, you just want to have a civil, mature conversation with people of like minds and opposite arguments on any topic.

I don't know. Maybe I'm just becoming disenchanted by it all.
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>>37738618
I believe there are different mental advantages to different cognitive functions. An ISFP has the mental brain-power to become a professional children's book artist or cartoon designer, etc.

I'm an INFP, and everything I make looks ugly, boring and bland.

Pic related. I just can't do what other people can do when it comes to lines.
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>>37738477
Like normies?
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>>37738676
Shit mother fucker 10x better anything I can do.
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>>37738587
>I don't think there was anything remotely illogical about my argument, you just didn't believe in the mindset and values it espoused and so it became illogical in your eyes.
You are not "in general".
>There's nothing illogical about the idea that social grace and tact are both beneficial traits which one must cultivate in order to get ahead in society.
Which was never the original argument. You, just now, added the condition for "getting ahead in society". At no point have I denied that. The emotions are still the person's problem and the choice between whether or not tip-toeing around them is worthwile is the INTP's.
>There's not unsound about the idea that everyone has emotions and feelings and that t's as much your responsibility to be wary of them around people who are reasonable about their boundaries if you don't want to come off as a douchebag
Again you are adding your own conditions. "not wanting to come off as a douchebag". It's only a problem if a person chooses, or finds it to be.
>It's more illogical to think that everyone who isn't an INTP is doing it wrong
Once again, I never said this. You are continuously twisting my arguments and creating strawmen out of what seem to be your own assumptions, preconceptions and quite possibly projections.
It's not a matter of right or wrong. Not objectively, at least.
Subjectively, it just comes back to the hurt feelings being the issue of the person having them.
>but you seem to have this solipsistic mindset which asserts that most people who aren't you are morons and therefore their beliefs and values are invalidated by yours.
Oh boy, more insults. Remember that bit where I talked about wishing people were more capable of argumentation instead of spouting nonsense?
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>>37738666
That's all well and good, but understand that this isn't everyone else's problem: it's your own. That you have no esteem for any of what the vast majority of people hold sacred or important is a reflection of your own failure or unwillingness to be a part of it all. When you step on someone's toes, therefore, it's not their fault for having toes in the first place, it's yours for deliberately or capriciously stepping on their toes because you couldn't be bothered to watch where you were going.
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>>37738741
Oh come on, you can't be serious. Of course it's my "fault". But see, I don't care. They can deal with it if they choose, because I am not going to change it, and at this point it's their fault if they touch the frog and get goop on them. Because I don't want to be part of them. I look at society and see disgusting, you guessed it, normies.
Only very few people are nice enough to be worth talking seriously to.
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>>37738676
- that's not bad at all
- your type does not predetermine how good you can be in something, as long as you're interested you can become good at it
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>>37738729
Your original argument was that it was the fault of the offended party for being offended and that the INTP was not complicit in any way. That doesn't hold true. If you want to be a douchebag, that's your prerogative, but it's not everyone else's fault that they're offended by your douchebaggery.

And the solipsism comment was more of an observation based on your own constant assertations that other people are stupid and incapable of keeping up with you intellectually which is, again, based in your belief in your intellectual superiority. I'm just calling it as I see it, man. Don't play humble now.

I mean, if you really want a debate so badly, it would help if you had an actual argument beyond "sensor and feelers are dumb and babies" for me to counter.
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>>37738676
If art depended only on personality, there would be no fucking perspective classes.
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>>37738667
With mature INTP your chances of having that conversation are actually quite high, so long as you can simply get past the funposting and make an attempt at serious discussion, without insults, logical fallacies or bullshit of the same sort. If they show no signs of reciprocating after a few posts, just accept that they're either autistically baiting, or retarded.
>I don't know. Maybe I'm just becoming disenchanted by it all.
Quite possibly. Shitposting, to me, is something of a way to cope with it. It both filters out people incapable of having a serious, intelligent discussion as well as attracts the ones capable of it. Hell, I just get annoyed and aggravated by retards on this site if I take it too seriously. Stupidity has always peeved me like hell, as it tends to do to all INTP.
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>>37738802
I'd like to think that, but reality doesn't agree with me. I'm "good" at making pictures, but I'm not good at lines because I've never been able to truly see what's in-front of me.

There are people that are in-experienced 18 years old that whip out incredible lines on the first try.

They can see what it is they're doing, and it doesn't take any effort for them to stay in that place.

I've seen other people follow linear trains of thought to line-art that do nothing but hurt their art-work.

It's not fair, but nothing ever is.
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>>37738842
It doesn't explicitly depend on personality, but it does to an extent.

It's like saying "This guy is pretty dumb. Lets force him to learn trigonometry"
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>>37738847
how can you invalidate mbti in one post by calling it "pseudo scientific, inaccurate and unreliable," then validate it in your next post?
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>>37738729
Your emotions seem to be leaking a bit
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>>37738798
See, now you're just retreating into the typical insular /r9k/ mindset of "eww normies, people are stupid". What was the point of your argument? That people are at fault for even talking to you in the first place because they should know just from looking at you that you're going to be a dick? That's a ridiculous sentiment. If you don't want to be a part of them and you freely understand the reasons behind their being offended by your actions, why even make a point of saying it's their own character flaws that are to blame for it all?

Next time just post "lol sensors and feelers are dumb haha" and leave it at that so no one wastes their time actually trying to have a proper argument with you.
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>it's an INTP tries to pretend he's an emotionless robot episode

Seeing an INTP become overwhelmed in a display of their own childish and underdeveloped emotions is actually pretty amusing.
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>>37712205
Because we're almost ESTP, which is Chad's MTBI, but Chad knows well enough to avoid this board, so we fill the place of Chad by the robots' definition. Ergo, we should "get off my board," as they say.
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>>37738937
I'm not whoever you were talking to in the first place, I've replied like thrice. But anyway,
>If you don't want to be a part of them and you freely understand the reasons behind their being offended by your actions, why even make a point of saying it's their own character flaws that are to blame for it all?
Does it not make sense that their character disgusts me and thus I don't want to be with them? I don't know what you're missing here.
But yeah, if someone says something stupid (no, I don't mean having a different opinion but literally stupid shit that any adult should understand) I either stop taking people seriously or stop talking to them. It's not really REEEEEEEEE, just shutting them off.
My guess is that you'll want to know what criteria divide stupidity from different opinions, which I can't really describe in a single post, but it includes that motherfucker playing music in a boombox in the middle of a bus when everyone is visibly annoyed, or that guy who can't really explain why he likes a movie. I don't expect knowledge of the area, I expect a bit of reflection. Kids can say why Spiderman is cooler than Green Lantern, ffs.
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>>37738999
It can be difficult to elicit an emotional response from an INTP because they basically don't care about anything, but once you find their weak point it's fairly easy to send them into baby rages.
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>>37738837
>Your original argument was that it was the fault of the offended party for being offended and that the INTP was not complicit in any way
That it was the problem* of the offended party, see this very post.
>>37737694
Stop strawmanning.
>that other people are stupid and incapable of keeping up with you intellectually
I never said that. You keep making up bullshit and attributing it to me, either directly or as my thoughts. You are extremely intellectually dishonest and you cannot seem to keep your arguments or ideas in check for two consequent posts.
>based in your belief in your intellectual superiority. I'm just calling it as I see it, man. Don't play humble now.
What you see are delusions. I point them out to you, yet you keep repeating the same pattern of action as if it never happened.
>I mean, if you really want a debate so badly, it would help if you had an actual argument beyond "sensor and feelers are dumb and babies" for me to counter.
Yet you fail to even counter that non-argument, digging yourself deeper and deeper as you work to prove the insult true with your fallacies and blather.

I'm tired and tired of your bullshitting, so I'm going to bed. You can call this a victory for yourself if it makes you feel good. If you're baiting instead like I have to assume at this point, it's good bait.

>>37738923
Because MBTI as a whole, a system, is bullshit and when I talk of "INTP" I mean the specific kind of stereotypical person to whose idea everyone will attach those four letters to. I could very well have written "autistic fedoranerd" and you'd probably have gotten the point.

>>37738934
Just a tiny bit, yeah. I over-exaggerate my emotions in my posts though. Same with posting all these images of anime girls. I'm not actually as smug as Shinobu there >>37738729 but it adds flavour to the post and I like that.
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I come up different ones all the time, but generally waver around INTJ, so I am a robot. Seems fitting for this board of moronic shitstains.
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>>37739042
>Does it not make sense that their character disgusts me and thus I don't want to be with them?
It makes perfect sense, it's just not relevant to the whole "it's their fault" thing. Regardless of how "disgusted" you are by your supposed intellectual inferiors, if you go around swinging a bat in a public area and you hit someone with said bat and they proceed to lash out at you in turn, it's not their fault for having a low pain threshold. That's just you talking dumb shit to show everyone what an edgy, nihilistic non-conformist you are. That doesn't really mean anything in this argument.
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>>37737770
Is your autist a 7 foot neckbeard weeaboo who wears anime shirts?
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>>37739101
>fault
The discussion is about it being their PROBLEM, not fault.
Sensors and feelers, truly stupid. Can't even keep the core arguments in mind for a single discussion,
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Post type and a song you like

INFP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOKfeDK01iU
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>>37739153
Nah, he's a 6ft neckbeard football/video game fanatic who wears Zelda shirts
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>>37739101
>comparing being offended to being hit by a bat
See, this is the point. It's like saying "retarded" jokingly, maybe even about yourself, and seeing the other person get buttmad because of actual retarded people. Do you think we go around calling people names all the time or telling dead babies jokes or what? Now you're exaggerating.
Also, I even put your cute word in quotes so that you understand, finally, that "it's their fault" was a joke, because anyone with half a brain can see the causality here and understand the absurd position can't not be a joke. Except for you, it seems.
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>>37739164
ISTJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icGTBLeBXnE
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>>37739164
ENFP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMEnQe6JQYQ
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>>37739189
Footfags have gone too fucking far
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>>37739164
I like this song.
INFP here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyiQSje09BI
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>>37739162
>problem
Clearly I misinterpreted the initial post and for that I humbly apologise. Regardless, though, your initial point is mired in the belief that you're somehow above those emotions and sensitivities and that you wouldn't have a similarly inflammatory reaction if you were placed in the same position.
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>>37739202
Said the footfag. I hadn't even realized that image could be interpreted that way, I just thought the bodytag was lewd.
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>>37739207
This one too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuiewEuduBc
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>>37739182
>I was just pretending to be retarded

Look man, it's like I said: I'm not impressed by shitposting anymore. I want to have legitimate discussions that aren't layered in five walls of irony. I'm sorry I'm too stupid to get that all your arguments are just bullshit you spout to get a reaction, but considering the frequency with which such arguments appear in these threads, I'm typically inclined to believe that they're sincere.

Regardless of my intentionally hyperbolic argument, though, I still very much believe that you should understand that certain people have different boundaries and be able to navigate those effectively. It's an important skill to have, especially in this increasingly PC world.
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>>37739254
>>37739207
Another one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYGmz1nVgUE
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>>37739164
INTJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwBGtgoVPLs&t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOYkjt9F81c
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>>37739303
Dude, once again, it was a goddamn "I'm the queen of England" joke, why is this not obvious? Hell, you yourself explained the joke.
And (once again) why should I be able to navigate boundaries effectively? To gain what, exactly? I do that with my family because I'm forced to. With people who can't affect my income I have no reason to, and with people who can, I can simply stop all interaction. You seem to value social standing to a very high degree. That is not among my objectives.
I'm not saying that knowing the rules is dumb. I'm saying I don't want to play the game in the first place.
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>>37737821
I was kind of hoping more people would vote on this. Not the test maker, just curious what kind of actual demographic we have in the thread.
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>>37739217
No. Those emotions are simply my problem and I do not specifically expect others to respect them, or truly care about them. If they don't, it's not a big issue to me.
Also, it's relevant that I'm (diagnosed) a schizoid, so I probably wouldn't react as much as others in the first place.
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Tell me, what do you know about ENFP
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>ISTJ
>just want a stable, secure life
>born in era when stability and security are decreasing again

I'm graduating this year and I'm stressing myself out thinking about how I'm not gonna be able to get a job.
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>>37739418
What are you like?

Yeah, they are a bit like that.
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>>37739389
>Dude, once again, it was a goddamn "I'm the queen of England" joke, why is this not obvious?
I know that's what you're doing, I just find it irksome that you expected me to know that from the very beginning with nothing to indicate it other than how silly a belief it is in the first place, as if we're not on a board full of people who hold ridiculous beliefs unironically.

>>37739393
It's less about expecting others to respect them and more about being at their mercy in certain situations and understanding that others are prone to the same thing.

If you're a schizoid, then I can perfectly understand the detachment from emotional responses and I wish you well.
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>>37739418
Literally my mother. Will always be late, will cry or get angry if you disagree, feels your feels, will be hard on you if you don't agree with the group, will get annoyed by little things, devoted to friends and family, not comedian and jokes often go over head, bunch of friends. At least this is what I've observed, still love her to death though even with the negative things I listed.
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>>37739468
>you're literally a retard if you're not into -insert extremely obscure fetish-
>hey, I take offense to that! I'm not into -fetish- but I have a proved IQ of so and so
I don't know if you're so close-minded that you dismiss everything as ridiculous, or if you're so open-minded that literally everything seems worthy of discussion. Either way, it seems like you should learn to navigate the degrees of seriousness in conversations.
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>>37739047
circle 9 friend, I'm intp that i took a year or so ago but never thought again about it until thid thread. Usually just to lazy to post or banter (or anything) so i'll sit back and contemplate shit for days
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>>37739434
I think everyone wants that my feloow robot
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>>37739545
I don't dismiss everything as ridiculous, it's just that this board has a number of ridiculous beliefs floating around in it.

And I was interested in having an actual debate. I apologise that I wasn't able to intuitively detect your facetiousness through the internet, anon.

I get that INTPs can count the amount of shit they have an interest in on one hand, but generally speaking most other types take interest in all manner of things and just because I too an interest in this particular argument doesn't mean it's literally the most important thing in the world to me. I'll move on pretty quickly, but for now I'm just a bit annoyed that you're trying to blame me for your "joke" not landing.
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>>37739532
Sounds like an SJ though
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>ISTP and ADHD

I'm the most useless person in the universe
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>>37739606
I'm not trying to blame you, it's this simple. I found it funny, you didn't. You finding it offensive does not matter to me. I had my fun.
Also, just as a reminder: you were the one to say "fault" in the first place, when the other anon said "problem". The point was that while the INTP's actions trigger the reaction, they do not feel any need to "fix" whatever was broken in the poor listener's mind.
It was explained but you had to struggle with the idea, and even had me nurse you through it. That's why I found it funny, and even quoted it (maybe I should have used a ridiculous amount of quotemarks?). I just stuck this long because I like to explain things.
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>>37739613
I can see that, but she's not a J. Literally I was waiting for her till 12:15 at church one day to go inside, the mass started at 9:00. As to S, maybe but she always has told she tests as an N. So I trust her.
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So what is your type and what do you do for a living? I'm really curious to see how types match up with careers.

I'll start
Type: INFP
Career: US Army, soon to be a cop
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>>37739418
It depends. Extreme enFps can be a bit anoying to deal with because they're just louder INFPs who are just as prone to breaking down and crying over fucking nothing.

ENFPs who are balanced, though, are friends to all. And for good reason: they're impossibly easy to get along with. They can find common ground with practically anyone, they aren't dogmatic in their beliefs and they're down for anything. Even when they aren't, they're not judgemental about the fact that you are. It's typically very difficult to offend a well-balanced ENFP since their immeidate response after an inner flare of upset is to rationalise your feelings and thoughts using Ne-Fi and come to terms with why you would act the way you did. If you do offend an ENFP, though, they'll forgive and forget very quickly since they don't like to live in the past and enjoy getting along with other people. As friends, they're typically loyal and outgoing but can be flighty if thy feel as if your relationship is shallow or going nowhere. As partners, they're emotionally expressive and affectionate to the max and strive to wring as much potential out of things as possible. Be good to them, and you'll have a thoughtful and sincere partner who loves to give.
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>>37739238
I was just being cheeky desu
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>>37739697
Well, INTPs are certainly every bit as insufferable and smarmy as their stereotypes make them out to be. Sometimes I have to wonder why you guys even come here when you're so above communicating with others. Happy to have made you laugh at my expense, I guess.
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>>37739434
Depends on your degree.
>ISTJ
Not looking good for you outlook with that personality. What is the degree?
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>>37739805
As long as you understand it was your...
Fault.
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>>37739756
I take my fetishes very seriously.
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>>37739697
You sound like a stupid cunt that needs a good punch in the face. I bet you have a very punchable face too.
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>>37739827
Well, that one was funny, at least.
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>>37739852
ooh I'm so scared
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>>37739827
>acts smart

>has to file name his ebin photos so he can locate them

ebin
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>>37739729
I don't think you're gonna see much over-lap.
Life is that way.

People that want to be carpenters never get to be, and people that hate carpentry wind-up carpenters.
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>>37737868
>Actual "old friends" are boring and weird to me now, though, because I just expect so much more from life than they do

Story of my life right here
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