Men have to do everything to get a date. They have to be confident,

>>37465853
>Another episode of lonely sexist has a breakdown
Neck yourself KHV.

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The only thing I'm going to disagree with you on is the part about having to be white.

Yes, if you're going to live in a western society thats full of white people stop complaining that you can't get a white woman.

You have 2 choices

1. Go after women that are from your own racial/cultural heritage.

2. If the above doesn't work, go back to the country where your parents originally came from and look for a woman there that matches you in regards to race/culture.

You have no fucking business as a non-white complaining that you can't get white women. Fuck off with that shit. But that's all I have to point out, the rest of your post is fine.

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Kek, no you don't. I've gotten several dates and I look like Rich Evans. It is true that women don't really have to date down though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcAsad-E9CQ

>>37465853
>women have it easy in relationships. They have the passive role.

no, they have to raise your damn child

I will say something that will shatter your mind:

You're wrong. Any man can get dates easily if he makes an effort. You are a kissless virgin because you have never talked to a girl and asked her out.

Prove me wrong. You can't. You chose to be a kissless virgin.

>>37465947
>le having kids in mandatory meme

>>37465947
>implying OP will ever breed or even have his penis inside a vagina

>>37465961
Not him but the man has to put in more effort than the woman. And if he's not a Chad, then he has to put in MUCH MORE EFFORT.

>>37465975
By your definition 99% of men are Chads.

>>37465947
Said relationships dumb fuck not making a baby.

>>37465994
No. Chads are guys who are tall, attractive and because of this succesful.

>>37466026
Chads are successful in life and with women. Chads come in all shapes and sizes. Their common factor is confidence and a working hard for their goals.

>>37465961
>you make an effort, while she sits on her ass and looks smug
Not worth it, and rarely appreciated even when you try. Fuck that game, hire an escort.

>>37466026
>being tall automatically makes you successful
>being attractive automatically makes you successful

Found the bitter manlet who thinks it's his height making him a virgin NEET.

>>37465947
>no, they have to raise your damn child
hahahahaha

>Women
>raising children

oh wait you're serious?

AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>37466043
Wrong.

Success = hard work + good starting position

mediocrity = hard work - good starting position

Confidence? Guess what gives you confidence? Good looks make people give you positive feedback since youth, so does height. They got their confidence due to their gifts.

Sure they worked hard, but if they didn't get born Chads, they wouldn't be succesful.

>>37466052
You've never made an effort. That being said, nothing wrong with going to an escort. See, you even have that option.

>>37466059
Read this >>37466083

Height + hard work gives you success
Hard work without height is a waste of effort

And when I say height I don't mean just height. I mean in general advantages that you get at birth. Height, looks, intelligence, wealthy family.

>>37466083
You must be one of those raging autists who thinks if he were taller he would be a supermodel millionaire. No, you would be just as much of a failure if you were tall, probably even more so. NEET virgin robots are tall. It's been proven over and over again.

>>37465853
>have 500+ friends on social media

is this how young people think now adays? you are sick.

>>37466086
>You've never made an effort.
Nice assumption you have there.
But lets say you are right, neither has any women. So why should I be assed to?

>>37466111
Man, your couple anecdotes don't mean anything.

It's statistically proven that tall men earn more, are more likely to get into leadership positions and their marriages are happier. Facts.

Point is if I were taller now, sure it wouldn't help. But if I got born tall, I would be a COMPLETELY different person. That is the point, my dear retarded normie friend.

>>37466095
Intelligence is the one and only one of those that matters. The others are you just making excuses as to why you're a failure in life. You chose to be a failure, no other reason.

>>37466141
If you were born tall, you would be a basement-dwelling bitter virgin manchild. You would just be blaming something else for your own failures.

>>37466142
Excuses. Oh how much do normies love to throw this word around thinking it proves anything. It doesn't.

I don't see why I should work harder because of being short and ugly.

>>37466141
Stop making shit up. The only reliable statistic is that taller men are more likely to be virgin robots.

You are a lazy piece of shit who has never worked for anything in his life. If you were taller you would be even more of a failure.

>>37466150
Is no one ever disadvantaged in your eyes or something?

>>37466150
If I got born tall and attractive I would be growing up with positive feedback, would grow up to be more confident, socially skilled, etc.

>>37466155
Ever thought that if you spent half of the effort of being angry on a Mongolian cave paintings forum on becoming a better person, you would be rich and getting tons of pussy by now? You mentally ill east european.

>>37466164
>The only reliable statistic is that taller men are more likely to be virgin robots.
Gonna have to call you on that one.
[citation needed]

You're just wrong. I don't see why I should work hard to overcome shortcomings I didn't choose to have.

>>37466170
Pretty much this advantage stacks, and so does disadvantage. Advantage at birth leads to advantage later in life, this should be obvious.

>>37465903
t. roastie

What are yu doing here

>>37466170
No you wouldn't. Stop lying. You would still be a raging shithead and everyone would still hate you.

>>37466184
I thought about that, but it's obviously bullshit. If I worked hard and some other guy worked hard who is also gifted then he will have better results.

>>37465947
not anymore, thanks to feminism and birth control
>be man
>suffer through all of life's hardships
>somehow have to convince inane, boring roastie to have sex with you even though you could overpower her in an instant
>you are about to cum, everything in life has led to this moment, you WILL reproduce
>"um like by the way I'm on the pill and fucked 13 other dudes this month so like whatever!"
>you MUST resist the urge to kill this person with your bare hands

>>37466198
Why haven't you killed yourself yet? Genuinely curious.

>>37466188
Yeah that's what I'm saying.

>>37466195
I'd have no reason to be angry if I was tall, attractive, had a big dick and grew up in a rich family. Sure, I'd still have something that could be complained about but the 4 previous things would give me so much advantage I would be WAY above most men.

>>37465909
If I'm a mix of white and something else can I complain?

>>37466212
It would make normies happy. One more angry inferior man out of their society. I can't give them the satisfaction.

>>37466234
My nigga. It's amazing how much they triggered by our existence.

>>37465947
my mom chose to be a shitty mom because she had a shitty husband

>>37465961
lel you normies always make it sound so easy

>>37466026
>Chads are guys who are tall, attractive and because of this succesful
You are so naive

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>>37465961
>just ask women out its easy I bet you haven't even tried

Go away roast

>>37466308
>You are so naive
You are naive. Hard work is necessary, but not sufficient.

If Chad works hard, he gets more success than if average man works hard.

Unacceptable.

>>37466319
>that pic
lel Go away ant

>>37466325
I am tall and fairly attractive and it doesn't mean shit if I am reclusive

>>37465903
but this is /r9k/. surely you know this is the only suitable board for such threads

>>37466356
If you started trying, you would have more success than me. That's the point.

>>37466344
Maybe you could read it if you weren't a blind cunt

But anyway I can't find a higher resolution of the image so

>waaahhhh why don't women take initiative and ask me on dates when I am completely physically and socially repulsive in every way!!
Beta. You deserve every minute of your meaningless life.

>>37466410
>implying there are not many physically attractive betas who get rejected
Dumb roastie

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>>37466344
Here, have a higher res version

t: not him

>>37466060
>something that happens all the time and is basically what women are biologically designed to do
>if I post some meme laughter it's not true

>>37466451
Thanks anon you da mvp

>>37466135
Because life isn't fair, you're choosing a life of misery for yourself, and you're making wrong assumptions about women.

>>37466486
>Because life isn't fair
Normies make it unfair. It's their fault. Only a retard would just forgive them.

>>37466185
because this is what literally every person on earth does

>>37466451
Gave it a re-read and the guy seems to lack self awareness. He could probably have landed atleast a single date on tinder with that amount of effort
>unironically watching PUA videos and thinking that they aren't staged
>approaching 500 girls in 6 months (on average 83 girls per day)

>>37466521
Some have much less disadvantages. Also normies are the ones who enforce social hierarchy, who treat the disadvataged ones poorer.

>>37466206
what kind of retarded made up scenario is this? you understand that there is a difference between sex for recreation and sex for reproduction, right?

>>37466528
>>approaching 500 girls in 6 months (on average 83 girls per day)
I shouldn't be surprised that normies suck at math, but damn.

>>37466263
You're clearly triggered by their existence, but they don't give a fuck about you.

>>37466547
I'm not a normalfag, I'm just sleep deprived

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>>37466486
>mfw I realize you're right

>>37466567
You're right. I am angry that someone gets born much luckier, has much better starting position, gets much more out of life and then claim it was all solely due to their hard work.

>>37466512
It's inherently unfair and nothing could make it fair.

>>37466626
And it's their fault. They make it happen, they enforce it. They are to be blamed.

>>37466643
No, I'm saying that no one could make life fair through any amount of effort.

>>37466653
Normies could not treat inferior men poorly for things out of their control. They couldn't. They don't.

>>37466626
>>37466653
So why even live? Do you even realize how demotivated some men are because they know they will never feel true love?

>>37465903
Except all he said is true desu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0m_GVG3Oxo

>>37465961
>if he makes an effort
That is literally the point of the thread
Meanwhile women have to do shit

>>37465909
What if you're an ugly manlet with no race?

>>37466681
They don't 'know' that they will never feel true love, they make themselves believe it because it's easier than actually putting work into their lives.

It is unfair, but no where near as unfair as OP makes it sound. First of all, its silly to rate people on a numerical scale because what makes a person attractive to another can wildly differ, and how people value various traits can vary wildly. If we are using a flawed numerical scale though, realistically a woman can realistically only expect to end up with a man 2 points higher than her on a 10 point scale.

"All a woman literally has to do is wait and a man will come and fuck her. Unless she's deformed..."

More or less true, due to the biological urges the imperative is put the males in our species to pass their genes, while a female just has to find a suitable male. Thus evolution and biology make it easier for women to be the recipient of SEX.

"women have it easy in relationships. They have the passive role." And here's the problem. Easy sex =/= easy relationship. Women are biologically programed to chose the best male to mate with (what you might call Chad). But if they aren't smart (and most people, not just women aren't) and try to fuck out of their league, Chad (who being male is only incentivized to pass his genes, not necessarily stay and raise the child) will most likely just smash and pass. So women seeking higher quality males (Chads with options) actually have to work very hard to hang onto their men and prevent them from passing their genes to additional females, unless they want to end up as single mothers.

TL;DR Robots get it wrong again.

>>37466696
So what? Either you're happy and you make an effort or you're miserable and you don't. You're not making anything better for anyone by giving up, least of all yourself.

>>37466721
You think they don't put work into it? Some men are just not lucky enough

>>37466738
I think most robots just give up and tell themselves they couldn't possibly find love instead of putting in the requisite work, yes.

>>37466756
Point is that due to our inferiority, the requisite work is fucking massive and the result is not that great compared to Chad.

I actually know guys who got a girlfriend without any effort. They're all tall.

>>37466756
The "requisite work" is so God damn high these days thanks to years and years of feminism allowing women to freely raise the standards of men, and just improving yourself won't fix years and years of rejection you've suffered.

I don't understand a normie to understand this, nor do I even really hate your for it: it's true that men start out worthless and have to build all their worth from scratch, so when we tell men to just do something, we don't consider emotional issues because a man shouldn't have those in the first place.

But the only real robot hole is to get incredibly lucky and find someone who really cares about you in the first place, and is happy when you succeed and helps you back up when you fail. Doesn't have to be a girlfriend, but having someone like that is not only the only way out, it's a complete luck of the draw.

>>37466778
>the requisite work is fucking massive and the result is not that great compared to Chad
so what? you'd still be happy

>>37466794
>years and years of rejection you've suffered
Meme. Most robots have not asked out any substantial number of women. Even if you have, actually getting into a successful, fulfilling relationship would make it worthwhile.

>having someone like that is not only the only way out, it's a complete luck of the draw
No, you are much more likely to find someone who cares about you if you are someone interesting, ambitious, attractive, caring, etc.

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>>37465909
I can understand why you'd think this way but think of it like this:

Supposing you're born in a western, white country as a non white the problem isn't that white women don't wanna fuck you, (as much) it's that they all wanna fuck is white guys, including the non white girls.

This means because everyone wants a white person (guy or girl) your chances of attraction are lowered from the get go.

Especially if that person was born in that white, western country and doesn't speak the language of the country their parents are from.

>>37466872
First of all, that's not the kind of rejection I'm talking about, and secondly, like I've said, you can't understand this, either because you're a normie or a woman, but you don't understand the connection between success and emotional state. Someone without any baggage and who is constantly supported will likely be more successful than someone who's trying to go from 0 to 100.

Plus, even your own standards show how high the bar is. Not everyone can be interesting. Not everyone is ambitious. Not everyone is attractive. Not everyone shows care the same way. To ask for all 4 at the same time and then put etc. behind it shows how high the standard for even being around women is.

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>>37465853
i mean i'm 21 and still a virgin so i don't see how that's true at all?

>>37466930
Everyone can make themselves more interesting, more ambitious, more attractive, and more caring. And I never said that you need all four, I said that having any of them makes it more likely to find a good partner.

>>37466930
True, but you can still go from zero to hero over time. The trick for me was to stop seeking women as a source of success. It's hard when you're a virgin who just wants to hold a girls hand, but if you can't break that barrier go and break a different barrier. For me it was getting /fit/. Never do it for the women, I started to impress the sloots but then ended up just doing it for myself because it made me feel like I was succeeding at something. Even after I was /fit/ I didn't go after girls, I finished my last year of school and started making way into a career that I loved. Believe it or not, eventually women started approaching me, contrary to what OP says it does happen. I can't say when it started happening, but I can tell you when and where it was that I first really realized and internalized that, and was like woah, this is awesome. At the same time, while it was nice, it wasn't nearly as nice as the other stuff that was going on in my life professionally and spiritually. I had an amazing circle of friends, I felt like I was growing closer to God and better understanding the world around me, I was making good money DOING WHAT I LOVED.

Go find success with everything but women, and the women will come. It's one of the great ironies of life.

>>37466976
Sure but how many have the drive? The difference between someone who starts out with those traits and has support is that they are always going to think someone likes them for who they are.

The thought that is in the back of the head of everyone that tries to make the arduous climb to the top is "you never liked me before, but now that I've done the things you want me to you pretend like you give a shit." I should know; I was part of a "self-improvement" community for a long time and it was always like this. They took every failure hard on themselves and every success was fake.

If your response is "lol just don't have that thought then," I'm not going to discuss this with you anymore.

>>37467016
Good for you - well done. I know that you're going to get a flood of bitter retards saying that you only succeeded because you were a failed normie and not a true robot, but I'd like to say that I'm proud of your accomplishment.

>>37467043
If you've improved as a person, then you've changed between the time that people didn't like you and the time that people do like you. You're a different person. Why would you have the expectation that everyone would like those two people equally?

>>37467016
Again, congrats, you have a different mindset than me and are capable of doing more. But for the most of us you have to realize that the reason we're in the places we are usually don't have to do with us SUDDENLY realizing we need to eat less and hit the gym, as if the information wasn't already available.

>>37467073
You're also capable of changing your mindset.

>>37466778
Funny, my experience is the opposite. The men I know who get laid the most are below average to average height. The only virgins I know are tall. It's pretty clear you are only seeing what you want to see and not the reality of things.

>>37466778
I don't know what world you live in, but the fact is that it's easier to get laid than ever. The amount of effort needed isn't even that high.

>>37467048
>>37467073
Honestly, I wouldn't claim to be a robot or normie. I grew up home schooled and oblivious to a lot of this shit. It all hit me hard when I went to college, and dealing with all the socialite shit was a shock I wasn't really ready for. I posted years ago about my experience in detail, haven't really visited 4chan in some time.

But yeah, growing up I had absolutely NO interest in working out. Before I was homeschooled, in elementary school I used to hide in the bathroom during gym class because I hated exerting myself physically. I wasn't fat, but I was in terrible shape all my life. I went to college and found myself constantly the butt of jokes, I felt completely out of water socially and like a failure. I stopped going to class and hid in the computer lab. I started failing classes, was on the verge of losing my scholarship, and felt nervous anytime I had to interact with people.

At the same time I used to go to the Uni Gym because it was new and extremely fancy. They had free fruit smoothies and food so I used to go to eat ironically enough. Somehow I started lifting (it's a long story and not very interesting). It took me a while to learn to lift properly, but at the time it was one of the only things I felt like I was succeeding at. Just moving the weight I was lifting up 5lb a week, whatever. I went just for the rush of feeling like I could conquer something at last, even if it was just my own body. I felt more confident for the first time since I had started going to college. I started doing better in classes. By the time I graduated I had pulled 1.7 GPA from the end of my first year up to a 3.65. I went from not being able to curl 15lb or bench 135 to benching 315 for reps. I went on to make the leap and apply for a job I never thought I'd be able to get or keep.

It starts with yourself, never try to make yourself better for someone else.

>>37466930
You've grown in a privileged role like Elliot and like him throw it all away. Meanwhile many Chads had a worse childhood than you in every way. There is no one to blame but yourself.

>>37467209
Don't make assumptions about my upbringing that you don't know about.

I'm not a virgin and you are.

Hearty keks were had.

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>>37465947
>your damn child
>in a room full of HKVs

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>>37467301
>tfw i've held hands with and hugged a girl before
guess i'm a turbo normie now

>>37465853
I have only half of those and I get dates all the time. Doesn't get me laid though because my confidence evaporates the moment it comes to making a move. The important ones are well-kept, well-dressed and confident (which you wrote like 5 times).

I don't understand this mentality. Do robots really just think that every girl is at any given point in time being courted by every Chad? Even Chad has standards, or at least a type. That frumpy looking girl with unkempt hair and bad fashion? Chances are she's just as lonely and autistic as you. The next time you go out, look at every girl you meet and ask yourself, and be honest. Is she actually attractive? If the answer is no, she probably doesn't get much attention either and doesn't get asked out.
Girls will always have it easier than guys in the dating world. Doesn't mean they can't lose, and guys can't win.

>>37467536
Of course women have it easier, even if they do face rejection from time to time.

>Be woman
>Get approached/ hit on by at least 10 dudes per week
>If she's in the mood, all she has to do is pick one of them

Versus being a dude, where I can approach tons of women over the course of a year, and only manage to fuck a few of them.

Women have it way easier in sex & dating, and there is no way to deny that fact

>>37467766
>10 times a week

This only happens in /r9k/ memes.

>>37467766
reading comprehension nigga, do you have it?

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http://www.vogue.co.uk/article/david-gandy-had-trouble-with-women

"...2010, David Gandy said his appearance and career hadn't helped improved his abilities with the ladies. "I'm not confident with women. I'm better than I was, but that's not saying much," he said. "As a child I was pretty shy, and I'm not sure you ever lose that. It's only in the last couple of years that I've been confident enough to go up and talk to a girl."

6'3 and one of the highest paid supermodels in the world

>>37467536
Roastie get outta here REEE >: |

>>37467795

I've seen that happen myself. At my last retail job, there was this 8/10 Latina chick working there, and guys would always go up to her and flirt with her and try to get her number.

>>37467822
Yeah, but what were his standards for that?

I bet women approached him. I bet he fucked loads of them. But maybe he just didn't quite find any wife-material women. Poor lad.

>>37466730
Incorrect because you assume woman absolutetly have to date up, instead of it beeing a choice they make.
They only have to work to keep Chad, while a man simply doesn't have the same options as a woman in terms of dating, sex and relationships.

>>37466953
But you're also a lesbian tripfag who has never asked out a man.

>>37467937
Your math is off. You assume that there is a Chad for every girl, even the ugly fat ones. The only way that works is if every man is Chad.

>>37467838
This. I work at some shithole and guys are always going up and talking to the attractive girls.
Often, those girls don't actually manage to get any work because there's always some guy or another talking to them.

>>37467962
That's not what I'm saying at all, read again.
I'm specifically saying woman only have to work to keep a Chad bf since Chad are the only men that have alot of options.

>>37466953
>implying men have never hit on you
It's sad that I recognise your trip now. You're that gay girl, and the thing is that both you and any other lesbian are both waiting for the other one to make the first move. Regular women just wait for a guy to make the move, and eventually one will do it. But when you're both women, no-one is ever going to make that first move.
(You) have to do it.

It's almost like being male. Almost.

>>37467998
And the women who will not get a Chad? Are you seriously saying there is one Chad for every woman, even the trash ones?

>>37467937
No. Women have to work to keep quality men (6/10+) if they want to date at their level or higher. This is because as men and women both age, a man will be better able to leverage his value if he's living his life as he should (progressing himself FOR HIMSELF), where as a woman value will decrease in the dating market despite nearly all efforts. This is because what goes up, must come down. Women evaluate men more complexly than men evaluate women. It's what people on /r9k/ complain about: "Women want a Chad who's 6'3, muscular, has an attractive face, funny, rich, independent, charismatic, good with kids, loves dogs, big dick, etc.". Men primarily judge women based on looks and looks alone. So while some of the things men are judged on are immutable, many can be developed with age. Where as a woman just goes down in value. So for a woman in a long term relationship to keep a man at her level (whose level will only raise if he takes care of himself) while her level is simultaneously dropping (even if shes putting on her A game), it requires more effort.

But yes, when you're young even a less than average woman will have an easier time obtaining casual sex than an average male.

>>37468100
What's with your reading comprehension? I never implied all of them get to have a Chad bf, that's why he has options and usually he ends up pumping and dumping them if they aren't quality woman.

A young woman will have no problem finding a relationship and she doesn't have to work for that while in your post you said that the men have to work to increase their chances.
That's exactly what OP is saying so I don't understand how you are disagreeing with him.

I'm not going to sit here and blame my problems on other people, I know my lack of a sex/social life is due to my own decisions and problems. However, I will say that it is far easier for women to make it in the dating world than men. I have a truly morbidly obese cousin, she's 400 pounds, she will die before she's 30, it amazes me that her lower legs are able to support her weight. And yet, she's married. To a computer engineer. He's a nerd and all but he's a good provider and he makes a good paycheck. The fact that this fat, annoying, hyper-liberal idiotic cunt can find a respectable man with a good job to put a ring on her fat, greasy finger proves that being a woman is living life on easy mode.

>>37468211
>Chad will dump a woman who doesn't satisfy him
>all women can easily get and maintain a relationship

Don't you see how you are contradicting yourself?

Bitter virgin robots should be rounded up and hung in the streets.
Chad my ass grow up you autistic fucks

>>37468338
Not that guy but you seem to be assuming every man is chad.

A woman can get and easily maintain a relationship with any non-chad. With a chad, he's likely to dump her for whoever else takes his fancy.
Running in circles, both of you.

>>37468338
>Women maintain a relationship

Lol, no. If shit gets difficult they just bail, unless they feel they can't.

>>37466528
>He could probably have landed atleast a single date on tinder with that amount of effort
It's always something else, isn't it.

>>37468581
There's a reason we call them the vaginal jew, always shifting blame to anything but themselves.

>>37468338
That is no contradiction unless you're implying that woman cannot have a relationship with a non-chad man.

>>37468633
There's a reason we call them robots, always shifting blame to anything but themselves.

>>37468700
What a shit analogy, even for a roastie.

>>37468733
What a shit denial, even for a robot.

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>>37469310
>>37468700
>simply rephrasing arguments in the opposite
>still being wrong in the process
You are one dumb cunt

>>37468700
Is that what robots are known for?

>>37465903
Stop trying to displace the robots.

>>37465853
>waaaaaah I have to DO things!!!!!!!!1
Pathetic

>>37465853
>they have to be all those things
bullshit. A few of them are sufficient.

You just want an excuse to not take control of your life and try to get laid or find a gf.

The 500+ social media followers requirement shows that you are just using this delusion as a cop out.

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>>37465853
no they don't. they just need to not be an autistic retard with no friends.

>>37469668
NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT

>>37469668
They won't be happy until they own everything you have.
And then they'll throw it all away because they don't even like or want it. But don't you dare try to pick it up after they've dumped it, because then they'll try to take it right back only to throw it away once more.
Simply, you can't have anything.

>>37469715
>The 500+ social media followers requirement shows that you are just using this delusion as a cop out.
Your comment on that one shows that you can't understand a little humourous hyperbole. It's a bit autistic to take out one point, that was obviously a joke, and try to use it to break the entire argument.

>>37465947
What are you talking about? This isn't the 50s, that's a shared responsibility. At least claim its about birth.

>>37465961
>I make claim
>prove me wrong
That's not how it works anon. I don't like making these "that's a fallacy!" posts but seriously you need to prove this. Especially here.

>>37466486
>life isn't fair
This can be used to dismiss any moral argument.
>sir, should we nuke the Japanese?
>well life isn't fair..

>Sir, I'm doubting this whole white supremacy thing, it's really bad for those other people
>life isn't fair
>ah I guess so

It's fucking dumb. It's an apathy towards everything but your own satisfaction.

>>37466953
>21
That's not even old. And no doubt you've had romantic experiences. I haven't hugged a girl outside of daycare. We were forced to 'forgive', that only fuels the war by the way, she told me I touched her inappropriately after that, must have given her ideas.

And you wouldn't date someone like me. You'd rather be alone.