Is society actually degenerating or is it just a meme here on

Yes. Things are terrible.

>>37388185
depends on what you think "degenerating" means

if you agree with /pol/ and their bullshit, sure I guess it is

otherwise no not really

no, it's just getting more autistic because people are making arithmetic the epicenter of their live

If you can't see the signs then you aren't paying attention. Society has been degenerating for a while now.

>>37388185
More promiscuous sex and increases in drug use by young people indicates a yes to me.

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>>37388185
/r9k/ is degenerating. The userbase on this board is reflective of the current state of society has a whole. The conception of the beta male has been watered down and diluted to the point where it no longer has meaning. Betas like rap? Constant threads to bait females into conversation? Using ebonics in text? The behavior of normies and robots are the exact same because the conditions underlying their social existence are the same. This place is dead.

>>37388185
nah it's getting better by most metrics, we just don't see it sometimes because of autism.

>>37388185
Yes. Look at Europe and the so called "migrant crisis", look at the "LGBTQ" movement and trans acceptance which spawned from feminism. You can't even criticize migrants online in normiebook in Europe without literally going to jail. Crimes committed by migrants like rapes, murders, sexual assaults, and child trafficking go unpublished and suppressed by major news outlets. /pol/ gets as many unique views, and sometimes more, every day as a mainstream news station does. It's no surprise that /pol/ memes actually leak into daily life when you have so many people looking at them and spreading them. Also see how we haven't had a major war in a long time, there's already tension everywhere and the economy is shit.

yes our society is degenerating but that's not what you should be worried about.

we are becoming more homogenized and less unique every day, that's what you should be worried about. if you are not an agreeable person you gonna get in trouble one way or another.

My life is just a joke... I'm 21 and have a small penis it's only 5 inches long and 5 around and I'm 21 so I done growing and I just feel like any girl I'll get with will just laugh at me cus of it and I know size doesn't matter but really it does any girl especially my age wants a 6-8 incher :( I'm told I'm a nice, kind, funny, cute guy but If I get with a girl try will laugh and I know I'm youn bu I just want a girl and fall in love but no girl will want to love me cus of my penis :( I don't think my life is going to be worth living so what's the point of living it? I just think my life is worthless with a small penis.. I'm thinking about suicide. I know its a stupid reason but if u were me u would see why

>>37388185
Society is basically the same as it has always been sans PC culture and immigrants of peace.

Europe is a fucking shithole, beautiful and quaint English villages near my home town have been raided and desecrated by Muslims

But it's ok because Californian liberals reassure me that it's all just a /pol/ meme.

>>37388185
It's a meme. People only label things they don't like that are degenerate.

>>37388478
your penis doesn't really stops growing at 16 or 18. that's my really outsider opinion here.

i think that some people have really child like features for a very long period of time and once they hit a certain age their body starts growing again.
i remember seeing those 20 year old girls who were like 5'5 and a few years later they were like 6'1

>>37388185
>Is society actually degenerating

Every society has been shit. Humans have a shitty nature. Ergo, anything that humans create will consistently be shit.

Society's gradual collapse is nothing new. Every society eventually collapses. Then humans conceive a "better" society, which of course also collapses, because humans are quite shitty by nature.

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>asking robots for an unbiased perception on the state of the world

Yes, but /pol/ is wrong as to why. I'm pretty sure Western culture is just unsustainable in nature, at this point, and it's nearing an end phase. But this is applicable to all cultures. It's just that people at this point are more aware of the specific nonexistent features of themselves

>>37388549
i also agree with this

>>37388549
well society degrading is not whats bad.
whats bad is that we learn to accept things for what they are.
i remember asking my dad why things are so shit and he just said" well sonny that's how things are :)".

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We had the bad luck of being males in the downfall of our civilization.The future lies in emergent powers.Look at yourself as you would see a roman in the lates stages of the Western Empire.

>>37388185
No it's really not that different to be honest. There just is a different set of things to do with. First of all the lgbt thing dosen't have to really affect you, it's the same proportion as it always was (just without closeted people), and the problems in the community don't really influence straight people. The migrant crisis sucks, it's leading to a rise in crime in those countries certainly. However these rises aren't tremendous, and they are occuring in low crime countries and the police are stepping up. Healthcare issues (both privatized and socialist) kill far, far, far more people that terrorism in the west. The immigrants will be bad behaved for awhile, their kids will get westernized, it will end. Even in Iran, the billionaires who run it's kids try to act american and emulate "The OC" and such.

Back in the day there were other things to deal with. Lead paint, leaded gasoline,actual racism (not the shit they call systematic racism today), and the cultural standards were very strict. These days you can have nerdy hobbies without being judged for it, and men don't swing their cocks around everywhere at eachother as much. There are less expectations of being super masculine or feminine constantly, and people can get help when they have their issues with less shame. It wasn't some kind of paradise. The one really big thing is people excercised more and didn't eat this trash food, do they looked and felt better. They know more about what is good now though, so you can diverge and do that if you wish.

>>37388185
I posted this in an older thread:

Society is on the verge of collapse. The "brave new world" we created after the war was founded on nothing but short-sighted decadence. The sexual revolution threw rampant hedonism into the mix. The peak of the cold war added nihilism and consumerism. These issues get worse every day and it really feels like its going to boil over soon.

>>37388185
Yoh spend too much time on the internet rather than going outside to get your worldview, it's obviously going to be warped.
>>37388535
This the word is ill defined.

It's just people being bored amd wanting a happening. I have a theory that is what might kill us. We'll just get bored and make war for the excitement.
>>37388697
Are you going to kill the old gods and link the flame, chosen undateable?

>>37388703
unless you were born in1890 you have no say in the matter, you grew up in degeneracy and its getting worse

and dont bother with the "it doesnt effect you" nonsense, you should view things more altruistically. LGBT has caused a lot of shit in society. They are normalizing mental illness and pedophillia

There is FAR too many people in this world, all immigration should stop immediately or else the world will grow into a giant african/chinese hellhole

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>>37388719
Bullshit, the average man or woman never had faith. The people who rule societies have always been decadent and hedonistic. People have always been hedonistic, decadent, and nihilistic (maybe only for the last 100 years for nihilism, as pre modern science people did believe in something usually). The thing is the common person has always been only as hedonistic and decadent as they can afford to be to fill their nihilism void. This is what makes capitalism work, it wont collapse because people arent going to stop working and generating and technology and effeciency have improved.

>>37388807
>everyone who doesn't do as I'd like is shit.
>but I am a proud American.

Pick one. Shitting on how other people want to live and living here is hypocritical as fuck dude. This country is literally founded on letting people do what they want

>>37388807
That's extremist nonsense, there are not massive groups of people normalizing pedophilia. They used to not acknowledge it, and pedophiles would never get caught usually. Now they prosecute it and throw them in jail. That's an improvement, you don't know shit if you think pedophilia just popped up, it's acknowledged and dealt with now.

>>37388819
You're not wrong, but the difference is that contemporary society actively encourages degeneracy

>>37388807
>They are normalizing mental illness and pedophillia
please don't tell me you actually believe in that "pedosexual" bullshit. it was perpetrated by /pol/ in the first place

>>37388859
This is wrong because?
I've never seen a convincing argument otherwise. The fuck else are you going to do?

>>37388819
well that might be true but back then we had more empathy because communities were a thing. you had more religious people and that meant more virtuous people.
yeah we had alot of wars and conquests but its probably not exactly what the history books are describing.

>>37388891
But if one is biologically attracted to kids it isn't their fault logically speaking yes? You don't condemn a dog for being a dog, you train it

>>37388911
pedophilia is a problem when you act on your attraction to children, and you can control if you do that or not

>>37388859
Yeah I agree. I have my own sense of what that means, but really anyone with sense can see it is in some way encouraging that. I just think it's a better time to live, just because we are talking about the intrinsic effects of living in modern society. Which is more pronounced, cool tech, less industrial waste hazards, more media, more information about anything. Those trends are bad, and the average normie is a fat shit who knows nothing of living well. However, that's not an intrinsic effect, because that normie is choosing to be that way in a day of information and access to philosophies and faiths. I like living now, because I have information about whatever I need it for, and I enjoy the benefits and just don't make the mistakes popular culture has people making. I work out, eat well, read a lot, enjoy some dank media, when I find work in tech I'll make comparatively more money, electronics are better and cheaper. It's dank, and has more oppurtunity for the smart, even if the average normie is being a fat, abortion, nihilism, pleb meme.

>>37388893
We've lost our moral compass. The way we're going isn't sustainable for a society. Hard times breed strong men, strong men breed good times, good times breed weak men(we are here), weak men breed hard times

>>37388977
>Dank

Kill yourself. You are the problem

>>37388904
That I can't argue with. Stronger communities, and a character and reputation based society was better for people. That's the one point that I really have to admit was better. I would live like that if I could, even if they were christian and im not or something.

>>37388992
you should get off the internet and take a look at the real world once in a while
just because you see trap threads every day doesn't mean that the entire world is turning into feminized soft numales

>>37388891
>>37388846
OBviously I dont think it JUST popped up, thats ridiculous. And you didnt acknowledge the important part: Gayness (and trannies of course) are mentally ill, and it should not be celebrated or normalized. LGBT has a sick Marxist agenda

also, 1/3 of pedo cases are gay people even though they make up 2% of the population. They are sexual deviants and pedophilia is always a possibly for them, as if molesting their siblings during childhood

>>37388999
Oh fuck off. Some people here are so up their own ass. I bet you created this complete picture of what my character is like, and it's super inferior (especially compared to a perfect gentlemen like yourself). Your being a rude poster on r9k, you not only are spending a bunch of time here, but you post nasty things to make people feel bad. Go prove that you are some kind of superior person who would never use such a vapid word in such a context.

>>37388992
How are men weak today? Go outside and show me. Do you have any proof to back up your platitude? It's like when people say, "if you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything" but there's this thing called skepticism you twat

>>37388992
that's a meme, Rome was strong for generations when Nero and Caligula were around

>>37389031
Yeah they are, and no I don't think being gay is a mental illness. It's not something only humans do. Gay men having that higher incidence would happen whether they are in the closet or not, it's probably a lot harder to tell you should be cautious if no one admits to being gay like they used to.

>>37389031
How is it mental illness? Or is anything you disagree with considered mentally ill? In which case the definition becomes bunk. Also how is it Marxist?
M8. Go to the mirror. Look in it. And tell me you aren't wearing a fucking tinfoil cap

>>37389083
i don't think i can be so ever so specific about describing why.

but everytime a woman makes a comment on youtube that have a 128x128 avatar of her face she gets like 100 likes or more.
that's weakness man. even if i used such a small and shitty example to describe it. we lost all sense of self respect

>>37389008
I walk outside and what do I see? I see gay pride parades where men March down the road in gimp suits and kids are told that's ok. I see every race there is yet I see no culture. I see people taking more pride in their own image than their country or god. Trap threads look like a joke in comparison.

>>37389031
>Gayness (and trannies of course) are mentally ill
Is it mentally ill to be attracted to masculine women? Where do you draw the line?

>inb4 hurr durr offspring
So now infertile people should be shunned from society?

>also, 1/3 of pedo cases are gay people even though they make up 2% of the population.
Source on that?

>>37388185
No.

Life goes on for everyone outside the /r9k/ /pol/ bubbles.

Everyone here is so bitter they can't see everyone else are living normal happy lives.

>>37389083
Have you never seen a nu-male?

>>37388977
Prove nihilism wrong then

[Spoiler]protip: you can't[/spoiler]

>>37389068
That reply was even worse. I still recommend you end your life.

>>37389136
God is literally Santa Claus. If you think otherwise prove it.
And your nation is just a demarcated plot of dirt. Consider self reflection

>>37389191
This mentality is responsible for the downfall

>>37389132
>we

Maybe you're just looking for the bad. It's easier to notice a thorn in your side then to stop for a nice breeze.

>>37389109

Animals have mental illness too. Animals can be depressed, retarded, or gay.
Obviously being gay is a serious mutation because it means you cant reproduce. Also the great majority have that signature accent. All this points to why I believe its mental illness

the only reason it isnt labeled as such is because of political correctness halting scientific study on gays

>>37389167
I can't, and people haven't been able to for a long time. It's been at least 100 years since the average person was really convinced by religion to any serious extent.

>>37389132
>men have never fawned over women

We have literally been putting them on pedestals since forever

>>37388185

Society as a whole is totally "degenerating," yes. People are becoming more atomized, social cohesion is dropping, politics are becoming more viciously partisan and tribal, the Anglosphere and Western europe are parting ways, etc. The western world order is overwhelmingly in decline.

This has happened before, and it will happen again. Society's history is cyclical. Very soon, there will be some sort of massive, cataclysmic event that will greatly shake up the current world order, and then the cycle will repeat.

>>37389147

I don't think societal decay is an exclusive /r9k/-/pol/ thing. Lefties seem to be picking up on it too, with the whole "late stage capitalism" meme picking up. One can live a perfectly fulfilling, normal life while recognizing what is going on around them.

>>37388424
Yeah if you consider the metrics that don't matter, the world is great!

>>37389167
Nihilism makes you a useless human being. You will have no drive or true ambition. Its usually a Stepping stone to Idealism and finally creating your own fantasy ambition and going for it


>>37389191
Nice globalist, marxist rhetoric. People like you should be shot

>>37389247
>We have literally been putting them on pedestals since forever

yes but at some point it turned into a virus that is eating us alive and we aren't even made aware of it.

>>37389225
yes i am a very pessimistic person, maybe its because i look at old people (boomers) and question their rationality when they constantly question ours (millennials)

http://www.gapminder.org/

Western society is definitely degenerating.

>>37389259
What would replace it? An Eastern/Chinese centric society?

I feel the world is too interconnected to have a failure you describe

>>37389191

Yes, but I happen to live in this demarcated plot of dirt and would like it to be very nice. In this case, your deconstruction makes very little sense.

>>37388478
5 inches around is rather thick, mate

>>37389349
Equality is evil.

>>37389395

>What would replace it? An Eastern/Chinese centric society?

Oh no doubt, the East is going to definitely be taking advantage of western collapse. China is already softly colonizing Africa. Nick Land has talked about this to some degree. Globally speaking, China will only become more powerful. Japan has been hobbled by the US-written constitution, and Korea by its split and hilariously accelerated entropy in the northern half. I suggest keeping tabs on Nick Land, he talks about this a lot.

>>37389395
asians by far have the best culture.
no rape culture, no marxism at schools, you get with a girl from a very early age and marry her. they don't feed themselves with shit food and get fat, they aren't afraid of hard work like westernes and breed their kids to be super talents.
i didn't even touched on the humility and respect you get from everyone.
their schools even give you a fixed meal that is very nutritious

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>>37389454

And "evil" is utter nonsense. Your point?

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>>37388185
Dude the American South 300 years ago openly fostered Duel Culture which was basically men coming together and attempting to gouge each other's eyes out of their sockets with dirty finger nails. American Southern men used to grow long dirty finger nails and then sharpen them, and wax them before a duel to accomplish the task of skewering the enemy's eyeball and ripping it out of the socket.

If you really think that "OH MY GOD SOCIETY IS DEGENERATING EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE! THIS IS THE WORST HUMAN HISTORY HAS EVER GOTTEN" just because sluts can have sex with 1 guy in a college dorm and be marginally less shamed for it than 20 years ago then I've got some news for you buddy: your priorities are fucked up. We live in the safest times of all human history. If you want to go back to the degenerate times of dirty hillbillies maiming each other in duels then build a time machine and fuck off. I'll stay right here enjoying great access to food, shelter, water, and health care.

Oh no some women give in to human urges while not hurting anyone, what a terrible state of society. "We should burn it all down and start over" because sluts would rather have sex with a good looking guy than with a dirty smelly unkempt virgin boy with no social skills who stays in his room all day. Yeah that's a great reason to "burn down society because it's degenerating"

>>37389622
Nice assumptions m8, this is probably the worst reply in this thread. We were having a pretty decent conversation until you came and had to be retarded.

>>37389575
oh and you have these faggots that say " an asian woman will marry you for the visa"

bull-fucking-shit. it would be a downgrade for an asian woman to be in a western country

>>37389622
>government have total control over your life
>safe

>>37389590
People arent equal is the point.

Trying the create equality means bringing others down

>>37389575
none of that applies to China

>>37389590
Am I not allowed to spook myself?

>>37389622

this is one stupid post

>>37389622
one of the worst takes ive seen in my life, off yourself you fucking subhuman trash cunt

>>37389695
china has undergone radical transformation.
its not the 50's anymore

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>>37389681
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>>37389734
>>37389750

>getting this asspained about having your worldview questioned

>>37389622

Is this copypasta? If not:

1) I'd like a citation on that "duel culture" thing.

2) American Southern Culture has collapsed and never truly recovered. The Civil War was an apocalyptic event, and northern interference prevented the cycle from continuing. It's not really a good model to use for this argument. Likewise, it doesn't really challenge my arguments posited in >>37389259


>>37389695

Why shouldn't I bring others down if I benefit from it?

>>37389712

One of my main criticisms of Stirner is that total de-spooking of oneself is impossible, and hardly even beneficial. Instead, one should understand the spooks, their effects on others, and use them to their greatest possible gain.

>>37389622
Society can be seen as degenerating in ways other than increased sexual promiscuity you projecting cunt.

Western society is absolutely in decline from a simple economic standpoint; hell I wonder if even a quarter of my generation will be able to afford a home. But no, society now must be great because we're not trying to gouge each others eyes out in duels? What the fuck are you on about, seriously just kill yourself.

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>>37389681
>>37389734
>>37389750
>RAH RAH UR STUPID JUNST... SHUT UP M8...

Ok man maybe explain why I'm wrong with an argument instead of just screaming that I'm wrong and I have to stop talking?

If it's sexual "degeneracy" you are interested in then why don't you look up The Ranters who were prevalent in the 17th century? Let's be honest: you're sad losers who can't get laid and want to shit on everyone who does get laid, so you cry about how "SOCIETY IS TERRIBUL" despite the undeniable fact that the modern day is the best time in recorded history. You have no facts, you haven't compared today's "degeneracy" with yesterday's "degeneracy," you just want to waggle & stroke each other's cocks and have your world view affirmed.

Millennial are marked as having lower sexual participation rates than previous generations so I'm really curious what you think exactly is "degenerating" in our culture. Until we start watching people kill each other for sport (gladiators) or killing people in public as a family event (public hangings and beheadings) then I really don't see how the moral fabric of our culture is "degenerating." I think you should just be happy with what we have rather than bitch about it, because if you're not happy with what we've got now then there isn't anything that's going to make you happy. Everything that happened in the past was markedly worse than what we have now.

>>37389910
Listen you fucking retard, most of the posts here don't even mention sexual promiscuity. Anyone that isn't blind can see our society has profound issues. Increase in political divide, racial tension, governments moving towards totalitarian regimes, corruption, mass use of limited resources, stagnation of wages and mass economic decline. Maybe if you read the thread you wouldn't have to look like a knuckle dragging mouth breather.

>>37389816
>1) I'd like a citation on that "duel culture" thing.
"Gouge and Bite, Pull Hair and Scratch": The Social Significance of Fighting in the Southern Backcountry by Elliot J Gorn.
This book talks about the duel culture that Southerners had. Why are you talking about the civil war? This culture was prevalent far before the civil was was even dreamed of. Where do you think american niggers get their violence culture from? They were uprooted and stolen from Africa and brought here, depriving them of their own culture. They had no way to maintain their culture without cultural artifacts, locations, or anything else, so their culture was largely destroyed. After they were freed they ended up adopting the culture of the people around them, which was largely the Hillbilly Honor culture.

None of this is really relevant, the point I was making is that violence was commonplace only 300 years ago and nobody seemed to care about it or try to stop it. They even found it honorable. It was like this everywhere in the world, not just the American South.

To disprove >>37389259 and your talk of "atomization," I'm not really sure what that even means. Are you being some kind of anti-smart phone hipster who thinks we don't talk to each other enough anymore or socialize? Because even if I accept that premise, that's nothing compared to taking your kid down to the town square to see Johnny Rapist get his head cut off, which happened yesterday in terms of the historical record. No, society is not "degenerating" in any meaningful way and if you think that it is, you have no big-picture understanding of what human history has been like. Be thankful for what you have because it's very rare.

It's a world view thing. Imagine how a prisoner feels when he just gets out of jail. The freedom, the laughing people, the vibrant colors, the trees. Of course it's a world view thing, actually world hunger decreases every year, so it is literally getting better.

>>37389910
>he doesnt know about the cycles

Obviously the 17th century was degenerate as shit, thats why wars happen and things change. Strong men create strong countries that create weak men that create weak countries that produce strong men


Also, theres nothing wrong with public executions

>>37389766
I was talking about Mainland China. I dont consider Hong Kong and such to be real china. Mainland china and its people are the worst this planet has to offer

>>37389816
>Why shouldn't I bring others down if I benefit from it?

Hopefully you are playing the devils advocate and not a real communist....
It will ultimately lead to a non-working society that degenerates. There will be no warriors, no mothers, no culture nor tradition. How do you expect the Human race to survive in the future when the planet becomes uninhabitable? The great population is 10x larger but not a single healthy motivated person, how will we defend the planet from possible invaders?

>>37389985
>political divide
True but we still have democratic elections where all people have a right to vote, an absolute rarity in human history

>racial tension
and 153 years ago we had racial slavery in our own country, and currently in Africa there are more slaves than America ever had. Obummer increased racial tension by standing with black shooting victims in disputed circumstances before any of the facts were out and saying stupid shit like "he could be my son," but that hasn't let to any large scale racial fighting so we're good. A small increase in racial dissatisfaction is nothing, it's not even noticeable.

>governments moving towards totalitarian regimes
? Name 1? Trump is not a "totalitarian" and the Brexit decision is not "totalitarian" either. Also the conservative candidate lost in France. We've only seen a conservative/Right-leaning swingback in response to a decade of liberal politics. It hasn't gotten to any level of "authoritarian" and there is no nu-Hitler anywhere in the world.

>corruption
Corruption was far more common hundreds of years ago and what's more; there was no way for the people to stop it. The French Revolution was one of the only notable times the average people took a stand against corruption and succeeded. In USA today we have the luxury of the Freedom of Information Act and we can uncover gov't schemes and corruptions using it.

>mass use of limited resources
If we convince the average person that thorium reactors are the answer to climate change, then the climate change crisis can be solved in a short time.

> stagnation of wages
The U.S.A. Real GDP is $16.662 trillion which is the highest it has ever been in history

> mass economic decline
? We are recovering from the recession in 2008 though????

>>37390008
>None of this is really relevant

You're right, stop posting. You are far too autistic for even r9k

>>37388185
muricunts are more and more into anime, ponies, muh GENDERS XDD, etc. So yes usa is degenerating hard

>>37388478
Same size as you and I'm 26
Just letting you know it doesn't get better
You might find a gf or someone to love you, but the inferiority complex with never go away.

If you wanna continue living, it's best to put your efforts elsewhere.

>>37390198
Not sure why you compare now to 150 years ago. Compare now to more recently to see the issues.

GDP has nothing to do with wages, research stagnation in wages, there hasn't been any real wage growth since the 70s. Also research the coming recession, not only have we not gotten out of the last recession, but another one is on the way.


Our society is unsustainable, this is fact.

>>37390198

Rational guy detected

Brofist from a neoliberal bro

>>37388302
You aren't paying attention

>>37389274
suure buddy totally you totally are being serious

>>37390008

>"Gouge and Bite, Pull Hair and Scratch": The Social Significance of Fighting in the Southern Backcountry by Elliot J Gorn.

Thanks for the link, anon! Though I have to say, it's more of an article than a book. Having more properly understood the context now, I can phrase my argument a bit better: Violence is tied to material living conditions. Gorn notes that the moment planter culture started to take off in the 19th century, violence fell out of favor almost immediately outside of the lower classes of the south. And then, after the civil war, and the destruction of the south, those people were absorbed by the growth of industry and northern culture, their living conditions improved, class disparity fell, and the violence stopped. The effect of the apocalyptic fall of the south in the civil war eventually had its impact

>the point I was making is that violence was commonplace only 300 years ago and nobody seemed to care about it or try to stop it. They even found it honorable. It was like this everywhere in the world, not just the American South.

I've got bad news for you anon, violence is coming back i style.

>The punching of Richard Spencer
>The three battles of Berkeley and the rise of the #BasedStickMen
>Paul Gianaforte and the bodyslam heard 'round the world

Each time, the condemnation for the violence becomes more and more tribally divided. The only reason these weimar-era street fights aren't becoming more common is that law enforcement is stepping up to prevent them. The outrage over the violence is slowly vanishing, especially with the diminishing living conditions for the majority of white America.

>Are you being some kind of anti-smart phone hipster who thinks we don't talk to each other enough anymore or socialize?

Somewhat, though I don't see it as a net negative. I highly recommend Robert Putnam's "Bowling Alone" for how socializing is slowly changing in Americam society.

>>37390194

I'm not a communist because I understand that I would not be benefiting from communism. That being said, your romanticism is genuinely cringeworthy, especially given the rapid growth of technology.

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>>37390198

Holy shit are you from The_donald or some shit?

>he thinks democracy is a good thing
>he doesnt know about multiculturalism causing civil wars
>he doesnt know whites are going extinct now
>did he just state the USA GDP like it means something?

please man, spend a year getting redpilled before posting

>>37389440
Lol no it's not dude

>>37389910
>Millennial are marked as having lower sexual participation rates than previous generations so I'm really curious what you think exactly is "degenerating" in our culture.

that's the degeneration you idiot. our society is becoming homosexualized. 4chan didn't even have tranny culture up until few years ago. now r9k have majority of homosexual posters. i mean you even have them on tinder. the misandry in our society is so powerful its better to be a fake female than a male.
divorce is in all time high, men and female relations are worse than ever. we are entering a technological dark age because we have been promoting woman over men (deliberately)in the workforce. we have feminism Marxism and PC culture pushing gender relationships into the toilet. just because we don't each other flesh to survive doesn't mean we have it the best ever. we are actually more disconnected than ever because we have so good

>>37390198

>True but we still have democratic elections where all people have a right to vote, an absolute rarity in human history

And thanks to "MUH RUSSIA," and "MUH POPULAR VOTE", these elections are slowly being delegitimatized and eroded.

>that hasn't led to any large scale racial fighting

Ferguson, Baltimore, San Diego, etc. would all put that into question. Likewise, the massive amount of violence between hispanic and black gangs in southern California is worth noting.

>In USA today we have the luxury of the Freedom of Information Act and we can uncover gov't schemes and corruptions using it.

And Hillary Clinton more or less stole the democratic primary and walked away with it. Her cronies still run the party. The machine is still in power.

>>37390575

>he doesnt know whites are going extinct now

Oh enough of this nonsense. The white population is still growing, but the white proportion is what's shrinking. Displacement doesn't equate to destruction. I'm all for demographic control, but there's no need to be a melodramatic idiot over it.

>>37390548
so if you wouldnt be benefiting, wtf is your argument? You would be against "equality" then

also attacking my character? kek. You might not be a commie but you are a marxist for sure.
Technology isnt inherently a good thing either. Watch the large spike of depression among GenZ because they drained all their dopamine with the internet since birth

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>>37390727

>You might not be a commie but you are a marxist for sure.

You are so poorly read it's astounding.

>>37390706
>but there's no need to be a melodramatic idiot over it.

I live in Socal. I watched the mexicans invade, take over all the schools, the workforce, the city, everything. I watched the Chinese come and buy all the real estate, launching the price of homes. The whites didnt leave, they stayed and race mixed

So they took over cali, why dont you think they would continue further across america?

>>37390853

Do you read Steve Sailer, by any chance?

Nope. The losers just have a place to vent their feelings. There wasn't a place like this before

>>37390813
>stirner
no comment. maybe try James Mason or Moldbug before trying to talk to me

>>37390886
I have not, is that a recommendation or are you making fun of me?

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>>37388185
I'm unhappy BECAUSE of what's happening in the west. My unhappiness is reflective of society. It sucks seeing the west collapse before our eyes. This how the Romans must've felt seeing the fall of the Roman Empire. Civilizations come and go, and I know this. But it happening in my life time? Fuck.

I shutter to think what a world where China is the superpower of the world will be like. Well lads, western society had a good run, it was fun while it lasted.

It's degenerating but not in the way that pol describes it. Pol essentially sees the opposite of what is happening, the social change comes from the change in economic conditions. What we are seeing is the result of what happens when you base a system on continual growth and it stops growing.

>>37390902

what an enlightening post. thank you

>>37391014
What?
>a system on continual growth and it stops growing

what even are you talking about exactly? what system? what stopped growing?

>>37391008

>justifying romanticism and non-accelerationist political engagement
>has read moldbug

u wot m8?

Also, I recommend Steve Sailer because he writes from a similar perspective, about the collapse of California due to "diversity" and what can be done to prevent it. The difference is, Sailer knows how to make his writing palatable to normies instead of engaging in "white genocide" hysteria

>>37391012

I recommend reading the Analects of Confucius and Sun Tzu's Art of War in order to understand how pretty okay the Chinese era will be.

>>37390575
Dumb frogposter

-mmmdddd

ITT: it's not like /pol/, but it is like this hunch i have or some other vague idea

>>37388185
>Are things actually as bad as they seem or is it just because we are unhappy and that affects our world view?
The answer is yes to both.

>>37388522
This. I fucking HATE to no end how fucking Americans (mostly Californians and New Yorkers) project their self righteous delusions on a part of the world they know very little about. They aren't over here, they don't know how it is. How about Beverly Hills imports a few thousand of these immigrants see what happens to their perfect little world.

>>37391119
Our entire economic system is based off of limitless growth.

This is, of course, impossible to sustain.

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>>37391012
That pic really needs to have St. Mattis on the bottom.
>>37388819
>tfw no tanya to have edgy fedora conversations with
>>37389550
There's some truth behind the idea that society's decline is in large part due to the overwhelming primacy of the individual over the family and community, and China is already happily barreling down the same route we've gone down, and they have the same demographic inverted pyramid that Japan has, all due to the one child policy. If China becomes a true superpower, it won't last long, and we'll either have another unipolar moment, or we'll go back to having no true superpower, which will be fun for anyone who likes war.

>>37391145
I disagree with many from moldbug, but I do believe Technology is being used irresponsibly and that humans cannot keep up evolutionary with it, so it poisons the mind


Its not romanticism its what I believe are the necessities for human survival. I dont mean literal knights-type warriors, I mean the roles of man, woman, and community are being lost and this will lead to generations of weak people, eventually extinction of the human race unless we go back

>>37391290

I assume that China will invariably abandon the one-child-policy once African colonization takes off.

>>37391165
This is r9k, the home of pepe and wojak.
This is literally the only acceptable place to post frogs

>>37391341

>I disagree with many from moldbug, but I do believe Technology is being used irresponsibly and that humans cannot keep up evolutionary with it, so it poisons the mind

Bad news, buddy, we passed the point of no return back in the industrial revolution. There's no stopping the train we're on now, so you better figure out a way to get the best out of the future.

I work at a theme park and that means I get a good eye view at the people in this world.

I see alot of children dressing more adultish and alot more wmaf and bmwf couples. For the most part it's true. It makes me sad but having money distracts me from those things.

Protip: /pol/ isn't right all the time, but sometimes they are.

>>37388977
I can't tell if people like you are trolling for (you)s

>>37391145
China ruled world won't be that bad? China where:

>40% of the water is polluted beyond consumption
>air pollution has exceeded safe levels
>heavily censored intranet
>organ harvesting of Falun Gong political prisoners
>more human right violations than I'm even aware of
>number 1 polluter of the world
>3rd world living standards for anyone who doesn't live in the major cities
>hellish working conditions for workers in places they colonize

I don't feel like the term "degenerating" is a good one because of all of the moralfaggotry and far-right connotations associated with that word, but the West and America in particular is definitely in a period of steep decline. Economically, we continue to accrue debt that will never be paid back, while simultaneously more and more of the wealth in society is seized by a select few. Culturally, our music and film is all very similar and deriviative, there is very little originality. Politically people have begun longing for a better time, and looking towards the past rather than the future. America probably has ~25 years before Balkanization, and that's assuming there's no major fiscal crisis or war before then.

>>37388435
I am looking at all those things and i fail to see what is the problem in that.

>>37391348
I don't think that they can fully colonize Africa unless we let them move the nogs to Euro...oh

You speak of degeneracy as it was a bad thing i think we should embrace it

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>>37391784

>yfw /r9k/ becomes a accelerationist board

>>37391725
there wouldn't be balkanization without some form of nuclear exchange.

>>37391831
That's what people thought about the Soviet Union potentially collapsing as well, but the truth is that mutually assured destruction is an extremely powerful deterrent, and states in America have far less of a reason to use nuclear weapons against each other than the Russians did with their Eastern European vassal states

>>37391831

Unless there's peaceful balkanization. Hopefully when the writing on the wall becomes more legible, people will accept this and we'll start discussing a national divorce.

>>37388185
1. every generation in the history of mankind has said "society is degenerating XDDD." saying that things are changing which you find problems with is a sign that you're an old senile fuck who can't keep up. maybe even retarded. i work at a company that literally refuses to automate its paper systems for data tracking and trending because the managers are afraid that computers may be compromised or go corrupt randomly. but they're not worried about paper getting lost or the millions they spend in man hours every year.

2. the people who complain the most about degenerates are people who surround themselves with losers and degenerates. the most effective/efficient lifestyles and philosophies will always outcompete the shitty ones, so even if you manage to find a place where people are becoming dogshit media zombies (see newspapers or theater in the past), you'll quickly get smacked in the fucking head by entire subcultures who take control and advance their quality of life. if you don't go follow them, nobody will miss you.

3. it's easier to say the system is broken than to say you don't fit in. people here who think they would have connected better to a "traditional" society would have probably been murdered in the streets for being the same complacent spoiled faggots.

>get enough money to buy a nice house in a remote location in Canada
>get enough money to buy a boat, maybe a jet ski and an ATV
>spend my days hiking, biking, hunting, etc
I hate the city and I hate people, but I dont see anything wrong with this plan

>>37391988
Fuck off we're full. We don't need any more of you gooks, amerimongrels, or pedophile-worshippers

>>37391979

>every generation in the history of mankind has said "society is degenerating XDDD."

Because society is cyclical. It has its strong moments and its weak moments. This has all happened before, and it will all happen again until technology (the only thing that develops in a linear fashion) somehow breaks the cycle.

We've already been over this, haven't you read the thread?

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>>37391988
There will be no more remote areas unless we stop immigration. The chinese will buy everything, they already are

>>37392152
That's what we thought the Japanese would do in the 80s, but then they had the rug pulled out from underneath. China's the same.

>>37392052
I already live there retard

>>37392207
I fucking wish but no, sadly the Chinese have already bought Hollyood and most real estate. Plus, one day Mainland china will be so full and so dirty that a great portion will landslide into America and Canada, as many already have. Our Children's children will be learning Chinese in school by 2050. Screenshot this

>>37392075
>reading any thread, ever
shut the fuck up.

"society is cyclical" doesn't mean anything. society doesn't have "strong moments" by any meaningful measure as a global unit. society is constantly under pressure of competition from within and by the conditions of the world around it. to say "society has degenerated" is to forfeit any critical thinking about what society should be. what's good to you is bad for someone else, regardless of scope or scale.

there's no cycle to break. old, shitty people like to say that everything is getting worse because they are losing touch with what was once familiar to them. they've complained about the stress of wars and the comforts of peace. they'll complain about anything and everything as "degeneracy" for the simple reason that their predictions about the future were statistically unlikely to match reality in the first place, and everyone likes to think their predictions are the only "logical" ones.

>>37392236
Then please return to your homeland, Chang

>>37392315
Nan, je suis bien ou je suis et je te chie dessus.
Meme si tu ne comprendras probablement pas ce message car comme la plupart des anglos t'es probablement trop stupide pour apprendre le francais :)

>>37392312

Sounds like someone needs to read Spengler.

>>37388185
you made a false dichotomy

the world is degenerating socially in certain ways *and* r9k has a distorted lens

it's not an either/or thing

>>37391145
>steve sailer
>palatable to normies

What are your best posts by him ? I've mostly just seen basic blogging by him although his 90s National Review article on interracial dating was spot on

>>37392380
I understand your French to a degree. If you're a white and native-born Qubecois you're good in my books. If you're some Moslem you need to go right now

>>37392528

I can't really think of any one post that sticks out, since I'm not terribly invested in the normiesphere or normie-adjacent writers. You'd have to ask around, probably.

>>37392537
why didn't you learn french anon ?

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>>37388410
this pink headed duc is getting the SUCCC and basipally you are a meme

Things certainly feel more tense, but unless Trump facilitates some sort of economic disaster, which is possible, I don't think we're going to collapse any time soon. I'm wary of projection my personal deterioration onto society. If anything it was caused by society functioning properly.

>>37392312
you are speaking out of your ass. Yes, society has "Golden ages", like directly after a big war. Obviously nobody knows the future, thats why discuss these ideas. What argument are you even bringing to the table here?

>>37388185
There is very little socio economic mobility in life for most people. While there are probably a lot of separate causes and symptoms and arguing who gets effected by it the most it really doesn't change that it's a fact.

>>37388185
The internet changed everything. tv? Movies? Even vcr? That's nothing compared to the drug called the internet. Want to see naked ladies? All men do. 100 years ago, you would only ever see the women in your town, and most of them clothed. Now you have a limitless supply of 10/10s doing the most unrealistic shit ever. Even 25 years ago this was hard to get.
Want social attention from guys? Endless tinder matches, instagram, etc.
People were always degenerate but there were hard physical limits to what you could get your hands on.
Internet took off the brakes of sociality

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>>37392207
>china will coplass any day now
>says increasing nervous American for the 20th year in a row

>>37392928
This is a good point, especially since I just masturbated.

I think society has pretty much lost any meaning of standards in every aspect in life. Nobody has any standards anymore in regards to anything. Business/work ethnic, the way people dress, the way people act, etc. Nobody gives a shit anymore.