Why do betas feel so entitled to women?

>>37337106
>You cannot disprove this.
/r9k/ is probably 90% beta males, so they're gonna shit hard over your theory.

You probably knew this anyway and posted this as bait.

I agree with you, though.

Why the fuck do i care about the replacement rate of society?

You're one spooked cunt m8

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>>37337106
ABANDON ALL HOPE YE WHO GET BAITED HERE

Actually monogamy came about because it was more compatible with civilization. Having tons of men be sexually frustrated leads to a decrease in productivity.

Yeah I've pretty much accepted this desu.

I just wish society wasn't so sexualized. It's driving me mad. I hope waifubots happen soon.

>>37337233
>Having tons of men be sexually frustrated leads to a decrease in productivity.
This won't be relevant with automation though. Men are ill suited to the service industry. That's why women outearn them now. And why most have become kind of useless to them.
Only a certain fraction of society needs to be productive. Most jobs are just busywork already.
Society doesn't need men to be productive anymore, it just needs the betas to stop trying to oppress and exploit women, and to not be violent.

>>37337181
I thought we could have real, non-PC discussions on 4chan. The only reason this isn't openly talked about yet is because it would trigger the betas who haven't realized how much of a problem they have become. It's good that they have realized how horrible men acted towards women in the past, but most haven't realized how their expectations and entitlements towards women are still a huge problem, and how it will become even more of a problem in the near future.

The whole problem with your theory OP is that betas are the worker bees of this society. Without a fuckload of cogs the machine won't work. If the majority of men are unhappy because they're unable to have sex/ relationships, why should they contribute to the society that's causing them to be unhappy?

I know this is bait, but fuck it i'll bite.

>Cares about what women want
>Islam is probably the only thing that can save the west

You literally contradicted yourself. Also:

>Islamists are prime breeding material

LOL yeah no they are inbred as fuck and also frustrated aggressive betas. Muh 42 virgins!

>>37337394
Because if you need sex/relatioinships to be happy you're pathetic and entitled. In nature, this was only meant for alphas.
Humanity has had a brief phase of a few thousand years where women had to be forced into sexual slavery for the betas to kickstart civilization (because apparently beta men won't do shit unless they have women to rape), but this wasn't meant to last forever. Now, with automation approaching fast, our primary issue with the betas isn't to keep them productive, it's to keep them peaceful. And it's about time women will finally be free from them.

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>>37337316
>Most jobs are busy work
>Men aren't needed in the workforce
>Women out earning men is indicative of better quality

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>>37337106
>It was basically rape
Women always had the choice
>betas seem to be rape apologists
What do you mean?
>In nature, roughly 40-60% of men reproduced while pretty much 100% of women did. That's a very basic evolutionary mechanism with most primate species. Most betas are not meant to reproduce
Just because something is natural, doesn't mean that it's good.
Rape is natural, murder is natural.
>women from the genetically superior alphas and force them to be with them, regardless of what women would actually prefer
What women innately prefer isn't always what's definitely the best thing for them. Do you honestly think that's its better for them to chase a stuck up Alpha male who cares little about their love or well-being. And besides, they aren't fucking FORCED to do anything.
>This whole attempt to enforce monogamy and traditional family to keep the betas satisfied is actually starting to destroy our society due to low birth rates
Every nation that has maintained traditional family values has higher birth rates than western sexually liberal countries.

This is bait though so, whatever.
Oh and the main argument, that betas don't matter because their betas is both immoral and unempathetic.

>>37337472

Having a sex drive and a want for companionship is part of being human. In nature men would just rape women. Even an average guy is miles ahead of the average woman in terms of raw physical strength. So if you'd really like to use the MUH NATURE argument you're basically agreeing that women should go back to being literal fucktoys with no control over their own lives.

>>37337106
Doesn't work because "alphas" aren't really alpha when we start talking about modern humans. They're just fat normies who make 7 children with their gf on welfare.

Basically the most humans that reproduce these days are the ones with negative evolutionary traits (disregarding their alpha and betaness), that's why humanity is going to the shitter. So I don't think you should bother looking at this from an alpha/beta perspective; it's not "survival of the fitness" for humans because we've overcame that ages ago.

>>37337467
>You literally contradicted yourself.
Islam in the west will be different from how it is in those middle east shitholes.
It'll merge with western culture and transform it. Feminism and Islam may seem contradictory now, but it makes sense when you consider that certain elements from it is what will finally free women. Acceptance of harems and less beta male entitlement to sex in particular.
Most islamists understand that you're not owed a woman, you have to deserve her by being better than the other men (many of whom will get none). While they often do so in a barbaric way, the general attitude is correct.

>>37337394
And worker bees are... well, sterile.

>>37337614
>Islam will merge with western culture

That's working out great for Europe isn't it?
Islam doesn't merge, it overtakes. Stop shilling your backwards desert goat fucker religion.

>>37337577
See, that's what I'm talking about. Justifying rape.
I hope you realize that you're comparing violent and non-violent approaches here. Women preferring alphas is natural and non-violent. Betas sexually enslaving women is natural and VIOLENT. Even if the system becomes so elaborate that women don't have to be physically forced to do it, it's still economic sexual exploitation allowing it.

>>37337577
> In nature men would just rape women.

Gee I wonder why you don't have a gf.

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>>37337106
Nobody understands

For one gender to win, the other must lose

If women are free, then 80% of men are total cucks and the 20% get cucked by the 10%

If men are free then 80% of women are stuck with a wimpy beta filling their womb with wimpy seed

We don't force anything though. Just lurk here. This space was invaded and not the other way around

>>37337650
>That's working out great for Europe isn't it?
Look who are resisting it and trying to sabotage it the hardest though? Beta, entitled white males. The ones who are behind modern society's problem don't want the fix to be implemented. Big fucking surprise.
>Islam doesn't merge, it overtakes.
The west has pretty powerful capitalist institutions that are actually behind this whole process. They wouldn't support it if they couldn't survive it. The west will remain strong and productive. But it probably needs islam to keep things orderly because of the beta male problem.
Islam may seem very backward now, but it will see rapid, engineered progress.

>>37337614
Islamist believe firmly that women shall be slaves to all men and that every man deserves his own.

>>37337765
>It's not the problem that's the problem, it's the people trying to deal with the problem
>The beta males are the problem, not the rapists who don't work

Low energy, try harder.

>>37337752
And the later is clearly worse. From an utilitarian perspective, the liberation was morally superior. By far.
Now beta males just need to accept that they aren't entitled to women. Before women had to accept being molested by them and being impregnated with their inferior genes.
Who the fuck could think that this was in anyway acceptable? Future generations will look down upon this as a sad, shameful element from their past. Like slavery and the many genocides.

>>37337835
>And the later is clearly worse.
Based on what? The US has been steadily going downhill since the sexual revolution.

>>37337106
>people feel like they deserve love
what a bunch of stupid assholes

>>37337828
Of course there are hiccups at first. Mostly it's the beta males that aren't ready for the big changes yet (like polygyny) which would solve our problems. And yeah a lot of the young males they import are violent and entitled too, but at least their ideology would allow for the cultural changes which would fix our problems.

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>>37337106
oh,so what you are saying is that betas(majority of males) should slave their life away while the few alphas get all the pussy doing nothing.sounds like a shit deal to me.

You cannot disprove this.

>>37337924
>Seceding this early because you know it's indefensible
>Their ideology would allow for the cultural changes that would fix our problems
>The same ideology that wants to implement Shariah, the thing that you said was the problem with the countries of origin for these immigrants
>Contradicting yourself again

Really getting btfo here aren't you?

>>37337876
And it's mostly an entitled beta male problem. They don't want women to be free. For all of history they have conspired to enslave women.
>>37337915
Most of them aren't undeserving of receiving love, but it doesn't mean it's owed to them. And love is different from sex. If they truly valued love from women they wouldn't feel like they should be stop from being with alphas.

>>37337979
>being THIS entitled
See, that's what I'm talking about.
Women prefer sharing alphas, mostly for biological reasons. It doesn't mean betas can't get women, just that many of them won't.
You can't fix it without restricting women's freedom (even if indirectly through economics), and only a psychopath would think this way.
Humans are more like chimps than bonobos. Our females are much more selective than men. And it's not a bad thing.

>>37337876
Biologically, women lose.

To be fucked and bred by a nice, amicable, accommodating, good natured, humble, empathic man is a fate almost worse than death for a woman.

You know the visceral disgust straight men feel when homos hit on them? That's how women feel about betas.

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>>37337106
the problem with your shitty ideology is that its not gonna work.EVER. thomas edison,einstein,nikola tesla,neumann janos they were all considered "beta-males" yet without them we would be nowhere.those "alphas" are dumb souless fags with the personality of a mug and the only thing going for them is their genetics.the real innovation and most of the work comes from the beta's.and if you tell them : "hey from now on you cant even have sex and every woman will look down on you for creating the future" i dont think there are many males who will jump on this amazing deal.

>>37337982
We won't have their shariah, we will have our own variant of shariah. Our values will merge. The elite have been working on this plan to save the west for a LONG time.
I thought this "Islam is feminist" crap was hilarious and complete nonsense at first too, but then I realized they had a long-term plan with it. Feminist, westernized Islam would fix most of our problems.

>>37338083
>You know the visceral disgust straight men feel when homos hit on them?
Well, that's on you. There's nothing wrong with homosexuality and it's definitively something betas should get used to in the future.

>>37338141
>Westernized Islam
You can keep saying this but we all know the two are incompatible because any deviation from the Quran results in that sect getting purged by all the others.

>>37338139
Betas can still live meaningful, fulfilling lives and contribute to society. With basic income many might choose to waste away into escapism. Which is a shame, but fine as long as they're not violent and entitled.
Bogus expectations and entitlement is what causes a lot of depression among betas, and it'll get worse int the future. Education could probably fix most of it. If the expectations and entitlements are kept under control, most won't be bothered by it too much, and the intelligent and creative ones will still spend their lives doing things they find interesting and pursuing intellectual endeavors. It's offensive to think that men only care about sex and can't function without it. This idea is a modern phenomenon (and it's a lot due to sex being massively used in marketing to sell things, and by the elite to control people). But this can all be changed and everyone will be happier for it. It's always been a lot of pressure on betas to insist that they should breed while it's completely unnatural. Not to mention oppressive for women.

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>>37337582
You're one of those "cult of science" betas and yet you don't even understand Darwin; Sad!

>>37338352
>Trust the elite goy, they have a plan in place that will make everything better
>The elite are using sex to market things and control people

Can't even shill right baka

>>37338438
The elite are always busy.

But what are the alternatives though? The current system is already failing. The beta male problem is real and returning women to slavery to satisfy them is absolutely out of the question now.

I agree with OP.

Islam is the natural continuation of feminism and sexual liberation. You already see a shit load of young women converting because they want to be free to be a part of Chad's harem.

Islam is the only system in which women can actually act as they want to inline with their biological imperatives. It will save civilization.

>>37338504
>The current system is already failing
because of everything you are trying to push, this is what's destroying society not saving it.

>The beta male problem is real
Because they have no gfs.

>Returning women to slavery is out of the question now
That's where you are wrong kiddo! It's gonna happen one way or another, either Islam or a rebirth in western conservative values. Feminism is a failed experiment and if all men agreed on it women could be back to being house slaves tomorrow.

>>37338279
Oh yes, it'll definitively cause problems. But it's probably needed for the long-term common good. There would have been other solutions, but that's not what's happening as it is. We need certain elements from their culture. We don't need Islam, but Islamist enclaves will support cultural transformation for the whole west. And culture needs to be transformed this way because western beta males are too resistant to the needed transformation. Largely due to entitlement.

>>37337179
You should care about giving birth to a son and a daughter who can add value to your worthless existence and let the alpha chads worry about societal issues that are too complex and demotivating for ancap autists like yourself to ponder.

>>37338585
>We need certain elements from their culture
Conservative values, which you are trying to undo.

>We don't need islam
You spent literally all day saying we did, jesus man learn to argue

>Beta males are too resistant to change
They want change though, beta uprising and all that noise.

>>37338617
>implying you have said a single intelligent thing all conversation

Pot loves calling the kettle black eh?

>>37338574
>unironically wanting to enslave women to the betas
How can you live with yourself?
How could betas be happy to be with women who were only with them because society coerced them to be anyway? That's disgusting.
It's because of this attitude that radical plans to transform culture seem to have become necessary (and yeah, they're not risk-free).
Betas just can't stop thinking with their dicks. Always planning and plotting on how to force women to get with them even though they're not genetically fit for it.
They literally just have to stop being so entitled and rapy and society could function well with women being FREE. At fucking last.
THIS is why there is such a backlash against males.

>>37337316
>won't be needed with automation
Haha, who do you think is going to design, build, install and maintain those machines?
Also, look at /r9k/. This is what sexually frustrated looks like. You really want more of us?

>>37338662
>You spent literally all day saying we did, jesus man learn to argue
We don't need all of Islam. But it will be useful to effect the needed cultural transformations to western culture, which is too resistant to change.

>>37338662
I literally btfo your retarded spook pseudo kike philosophy in a single paragraph on my phone, like I said, let us Chads take the wheel and you betas can get whatever we feel is unworthy of us. Kinda like leftovers. Oh and we will also save the west in the process. That new graphics card doing good anon?

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>>37338352
your writing tells me that you are either a woman or a man who thinks he is "alpha".if the latter let me tell you you are not as alpha as you think you are.if you are a female you need to tell your owner to punish you for talking to strangers on the internet.

>>37338700
>How can you live with yourself
better than you apparently, who seem to be having a breakdown.

>How could betas be happy with women
I don't know, how can any man be happy with them? Even chads seem to dislike them.

>It's because of this attitude that radical plans to transform culture are necessary
No, it's because at the current rate of decay you seem to want to speed up, society is falling apart.

>they are not risk free
They are also benefit free.

>Beta's can't stop thinking with their dicks
And women can't stop thinking with their pussies.

>Not genetically fit for it
By your definition, if you get laid, you succeeded. Betas find ways to get laid, therefore they succeeded. Women's feeling aren't involved, hence why rapists are genetically successful.

>Society can function well with women being free
Show me a matriarchy that can build an iphone.

>This is why there is such a backlash against males
No, it's because women are bored of peace and being in charge.

>>37338739
>too resistant to change
Western culture has changed a lot in the last 100 years. Islam hasn't changed in hundreds of years. Dumb ass.

>>37338782
>I btfo of your philosophy
It's like you haven't even been reading the conversation. Saying you did and actually doing it are 2 different things. I have been blowing you the fuck out all day.

>like I said, let us chads take the wheel
You aren't chad. Chad doesn't go on 4chan.

>You get whatever we feel is unworthy of us
We already do, hence the societal decline.

>New graphics card
My 650 is shit, I need a new laptop. Chad doesn't even know about graphics cards btw.

>>37338861
Well it's certainly as illogical as a woman.

Get btfo.

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>>37337106
When I look at the right side of OP's pic, one thing screams out at me:

Patriarchy.

Why aren't feminists decrying the obviously hierarchical structure in the whole alpha/beta system? The patriarchs are the alphas, so why aren't feminists calling for an end to the social movement that put the alphas in a position of power and elevated them in the hierarchy?

That article's comment section has a lot of women saying they are satisfied with their 'beta' partners.
Or are they just hamstering?

>>37337316
>>37338708
>>37338700
until now...I think this would be the best temporary solution to those problems.
https://page.co/Po92
betas are happy and so do women.

OP this would be more fun on /pol/

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>>37338700
>only islam can save the west
nice b8 son

>>37338023
>they wouldn't feel like they should be stop from being with alphas
huh i don't understand. if a woman doesn't want to be around you and would rather be around someone else how is that love. that is like saying you love some one and then never wanting to touch them, see them, be around them, or share anything with them
also
>i was having one of those days were i am being nice to people
>thinking i was just being bitter and unkind previously
>especially to women "maybe they are people with their own unique tastes and values and maybe they love people as individuals like men so some like soft kind boys and others like hard mean boys"
>see this thread
>gone

>>37338861
I'm an enlightened beta who wish to see society progress.
>>37338913
Because there's nothing wrong with it as long as it is non-violent?
Different people are good at different things. Some men will be better at science, or playing an instrument, or sports, etc. Some will be better at attracting women. In most cases genetics has a part to play and it's never completely "fair", but everyone can get good at something.

>>37337106
>Why do betas feel so entitled to women?

Because women feel entitled to a man, to provide for her and give her kids (or take care of her kids) past a certain age. But after partying being with a ton of guys in their earlier years though? You don't get to have it both ways.

Or if you do, you sure as shit don't get to complain. You want to party around while you're young? Ok, sure. You want to settle down when you're older after you're partied out? Go ahead, knock yourself out. You can't settle down with the sort of alpha guy you used to party with? That's a shame, but they're in the minority and not everyone can win. You're pissed because you can't find some other guy who will overlook your past history? That's fair, I'd be pissed too.

So your solution is to blame the guy who won't accept you after you're all partied out and want to settle? Eat shit, honestly just fuck off.

>>37339027
>huh i don't understand. if a woman doesn't want to be around you and would rather be around someone else how is that love. that is like saying you love some one and then never wanting to touch them, see them, be around them, or share anything with them
Sheesh, not all love has to be erotic. You can still be around people and love them without fucking them. One of the problems with betas is that they confound the two and feel very entitled to the later. Sex is very primal, largely biological and for most women is optimally enjoyable with alphas. Love and fondness are emotional and most women can still feel this towards betas.

>>37337106
I agree with some of what op saying, betafags act as if they're entitled to a qt girlfriend. There's no trophy for being alive and not going full retard. The worst part is most of you fags having nothing of value to offer women, your 150 iq means nothing if you're not able to commodify it or turn it into something of useful.

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When will the obvious corollary that is suicide booths be available then?

>>37337106
You're implying that polygamy is eugenic. It isn't. Being an attractive Chad isn't actually a good measure of how productive and sane a citizen someone is. Monogamy is superior because it encourages choosing a partner based more off how good a person is for a nation.

Also children are raised better this way rather than being born out of wedlock and raised by a single mother. I'm sure you know the effects of single motherhood on child development.

Now that's not to say I'm against eugenics. If it were up to me, I'd have superior couples have more children and limit the birthrates of inferior couples that way a society keeps getting better.

>>37339368
It's not really about eugenics to me, just about having a free society function well despite the autistic screeching of beta males.
Yeah some alphas are terrible people and it's not going to select for the best traits, but it's not like they'll be the ONLY ones breeding. There will still be some variety and overall it'll select for good physical traits and health.
And with polygyny, a child can have many mothers giving it love and affection. And a very alpha dad to set out a good example.
Betas might still involve themselves in the raising of children, but they shouldn't expect to be the biological father for that unless they can convince a woman to accept their genes over that of alphas. Which is how it should be. I really don't see how someone could suggest otherwise.

>>37339307
This might be an option. They would probably mostly be used by betas who can't make it through their teen years without going crazy due to the urges or old betas without much purpose without a family. But those who make it through adulthood would probably do fine and function well in society. And people don't need to live this fucking long anyway.
Kids who would clearly end up being betas should probably be chemically castrated as soon as possible to spare them the pain they would endure as a teen. It would save live and makes life so much simpler for everyone.

>>37339368
>limit the birthrates of inferior couples that way a society keeps getting better.

That's needlessly cruel towards those kids, their life would be a real torment.

Personally I would offer longlife basic income and paying for top tier plastic surgeries of below 7/10 people at the price of them being sterilized. That's fair and humane IMO. Repeat every generation until we get rid of recessive inferior genes while increasing overall happiness.

I'd take such a deal in a heartbeat.

>>37337151
>90%
Try a 100%

>>37337106
This is all caused by fucking subhumans being allowed to breed. They poisoned the gene pool to the point of even Chads having recessive shit genes.

Both male and female subhumans MUST be stopped from breeding.

>>37339685
who is to decide subhumans from humans?

>>37337710
Do you have any reason to disagree or do you just not like what he's saying?

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Why do I keep coming to this place.

>>37339716
Thankfully not only do we have eugenics correlating specific traits with health but every single human is born with a mechanism used for detecting subhumans. It's called being able to tell who's good looking and who's not, which are perfectly objective criteria used even by infants. It's an innate ability.

Good looking = health.
Health = good, nonmutated badly genes.

>>37337106
>someone went out of their way to dig up a seven year old article by a pseudo journalist whose writing disappeared after 2012
lol

>>37339716
>>37339822

And yes, 90% of humans are actually subhuman trash which should have never been born. Proto-humans (cavemen) all looked literally like top tier models. Being good looking is a natural trait of a human.

Only I our genetic-trash-heap of a society is being good looking considered extraordinary. Basically humanity is fucked and becoming more subhuman with every generation. We need to take action clean up the gene pool, something we can do with non violent means currently.

>>37339834
>lol
hehehehe

>>37339900
>what getting BTFO looks like
kek

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>"Why do betas feel so entitled to women?"

>posts a Jizzabel article

>>37339800
Masochism and cuckolding fantasy anon. You know that you might not be able to get laid, but maybe you could get a girl to kick you in the balls and cuck you.

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>>37339973
I ain't gonna pretend I don't fap to this sometimes, but I think I'm mostly gonna stick to waifus.

>>37339973
you forgot that he should watch them

sometimes from a chair or sometimes from the closet but almost always dressed as superman.

>>37337106

Nah, I'm the opposite. I feel like I'm not good enough for a woman. There are billions of better men than me, no reason for a woman to choose to be with me. There are better men than me, so women should just be with them.

>>37338381
Explain why he is wrong then instead of posting a smug fucking mobile phone picture

>>37338700
society
requires
coercion
to
function

>>37338352
Basically your solution is to encourage monkish behaviour and even create downright eunuchs.

Your views personally disgust me and enhance my dislike for humanity.

>>37337106
>Most betas are not meant to reproduce. So this is nothing new. Yet they would try anything to cut off women from the genetically superior alphas and force them to be with them, regardless of what women would actually prefer. Betas have always been the primary source of male on female violence, and in the most disgusting way too.

But only the violent should reproduce anon

>>37340532
You're one of the good ones anon. If all betas were this self-aware there would be much less problems in society. Society is changing and a lot of them are left confused and grow bitter.
>There are better men than me, so women should just be with them.
And they are.
The problem is when the time comes to get married and have children.
They are very used to alphas but they can't all commit to them.
When it comes to sex, women are picky. When it comes to committing, alphas are picky.
Some women force themselves to settle for betas like in the old times, but it often doesn't work out so well. They can't be happy with betas. Betas don't understand why it all goes so wrong or what they could have done differently. But it's not really their fault. Or anyone's fault. This is all counter nature.
Women settle for them just because it's expected and there's a shortage of alphas.
If alphas were allowed to take multiple wives, things would start working a lot better in society. We would start seeing more functional family units again.

>>37340710
>You're one of the good ones anon. If all betas were this self-aware there would be much less problems in society

Are you fucking stupid, don't encourage his shitty mindset. In this day and age it's effortless for a beta to kill alphas with no trouble at all thus becoming the true alpha male.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Steven_Kraft

Look at randy kraft a homosexual faggot who targeted US marines and other "alpha" military types for his gay sex toture killings. He possibly killed 67 men. A true alpha male

>>37340792

Or patrick kearney

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Kearney

Another faggot who did killings at the same time as kraft who killed 43 people and who was a wimpy manlet

>Standing only 5'5" tall, being of slight build, and typically preferring victims of greater stature than his, Kearney was forced to resort to a system of subduing his victims that was unlikely to fail or create situations which could place him in physical danger or cause unwanted exposure to authorities. Kearney was not known to resort to sadism or inflict pain on his victims as the other "Freeway Killers" did, preferring quickness and efficiency.

This 5'5 faggot killed and raped the bodies of 43 muscular chads. He's a true alpha male as he used their intestines as a fleshlight while he jerked off to faggot porn.

When in doubt about the future of society just look at Japan and Germany to an extent as well. They're 'ahead' of most industrialized nations and are good indicators of where we're headed. Examples: herbivore men and hikikomori in Japan, and severe declines in birth rates in both countries.

I, for one, welcome automation and escaping the clutches of this reality.

>>37340670
>Basically your solution is to encourage monkish behaviour and even create downright eunuchs.
What's so wrong with that?
Society is much too obsessed with sex.
Culture and the economy were engineered to make it available to betas who wouldn't otherwise have had it, but this is no longer required and it has become harmful.
Mostly harmful to women, who are still expected to settle for betas at some point and to repress their real sexuality.
But also to betas who have to experience these increasingly alienating contradictions, and it often ends up being very painful for them. In nature they wouldn't have had to deal with any of this. Their place in the mating hierarchy would be well-understood.

>>37340792
>>37340833
kek
Terrible. See, betas are much more violent than alphas nowadays. They have to resort to that. It's all due to entitlement.
In nature everyone was violent but the alphas came out on top.
But we're above that now and we have to make the competition non-violent while maintaining everyone's freedom. Especially women who have had their freedom restricted until very recently.

>>37340710

Nope, my thinking is that everything attractive about me, other men have and are better than me. It just doesn't make any logical sense why a woman would choose to be with me over anyone else. And even if I somehow were able to get a gf, they'd probably just cheat on me when a better guy inevitably comes along.

It's all basic logic. There is no logical reason for a woman to be with me or stay with me. I know my own strengths and weaknesses and how attractive I am. I'm not a beta, I just know my place is not with a gf.

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>>37340948
>In nature everyone was violent but the alphas came out on top.

There's no proof of this, I promise that violent warriors of legend from days long past would be angsty teenagers listening to slipknot and linkin park while getting bullied at school.

>Especially women who have had their freedom restricted until very recently.

What, women are just objects don't be stupid, they're just sex toys.

>>37341011
that jiggle, how much i need for this?

>>37341031

I'm not sure if it's real doll or another doll company that makes these

I'd just say $3000

>>37341031
heh heh heh my friend if you have to ask you cannot afford it ;) yu kno wat im sayingmy funky fresh bro?

>>37341011
wow I didn't know they were that realistic

>>37341011
>What, women are just objects don't be stupid, they're just sex toys.
No they're not. Not generally. This is definitively not the way they want to be treated by betas. But they're free to act however they please with alphas.
It's terrible how much betas have grown to disrespect women. I guess thousands of years of enslaving them will do this.

I see this as a failure on the female's part if anything then. They choose to date the ape instead of the intelligent.

>>37341153
Women are by definition, cumdumpsters.

>>37341153
Maybe if you cucks didn't twist the narrative so much people would be less misogynistic.

>free around alphas

as if betas don't bend over backwards for women

if you're talking about MGTOW it's more like them not wanting to be beta

stop fucking with us we see through your bullshit

>>37339899

Main problem with your plan is that women are creating subhumans with their poor parenting skills.
Physical development isn't purely genetic. Incompetent parents ruin the genetic potential by not properly raising their sons.

>>37341203
Alphas are often very intelligent. But in a social way. Intelligence isn't just nerdy things.
>>37341221
>as if betas don't bend over backwards for women
And women fall for that mostly due to societal expectations, but it usually makes them happy in the long run (again due society pressuring them to settle with one).

>>37341373
>And women fall for that mostly due to societal expectations, but it usually makes them happy in the long run (again due society pressuring them to settle with one).

So you're basically a feminist complaining about the human condition and blaming it on men.

Honestly I don't care, go for the alphas and end up alone, that's the freedom neets deal with every day.

modern society has divided us and it's leftist modernism not wholesome unity.

>>37341373
>Alphas are often very intelligent
I wouldn't say very often. I'd say there are intelligent Alphas and then alphas a la the Chad stereotype. It doesn't take much social intelligence if you're physically superior.

>>37341407
>go for the alphas and end up alone
See, that's the problem with society. It still actively coerces women to settle with a beta while it's no longer necessary nor desirable.
Polygyny being illegal is just a leftover from a time were women were oppressed and forced to pair up with entitled betas to keep them happy, regardless of what women actually wanted.
>modern society has divided us
It only feels this way because betas still hold on to their pre-liberation expectations and entitlements.

>>37341451
Physical and mental superiority often go together.

>>37339240
i didn't just say erotic, you don't want to see beta men, you don't want to hear beta men, you don't want to touch beta men. i want to see my grandmother, hug my grandmother and be around my grandmother but i don't have erotic interest in here you sick fuck. that and men have natural desires just like you. what entitles low tier women to high tier men. in fact why do you even rank people like this are you capable of liking people as individuals or is every an object to you. i know it is hard for you to imagine but imagine being rejected all the time told you are no good and nobody wants you or wants to be around you that the only time people will value you is if you provide them something (money, information, social stability) that is how it feels to be me or any other average looking man. all of histories progress has been to make these miserable disheveled people humanized and treated with dignity and respect (monogamy, human rights, medical access). reasonable intelligent women have similar problems in that they wish to be humanized rather than fuck toys for chad and so all of history's progress for them has been their moving away from being part of a harem or a man's property (women's rights, monogamy, suffrage). to want to go back to being part of a harem is to devalue yourself and me why would you want that.

>>37341153
>No they're not. Not generally.

Yes they are, there's no fucking debate on this

Women are objectively by any standard you use an object used for sexual pleasure. That is the definition of what a woman is, an object used for sexual pleasure. Their entire biology is designed to give sexual pleasure. There's no "they're free to act however they please" bullshit because objects do not act. My table does not act, my chair does not act, my fridge does not act and women don't act either.

They
Are
Objects

You're fucking retarded

>>37341517
>our entire work force should be allowed to reproduce
good plan. why do you even want to be part of a man's harem

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you are right society is oppressive to women for not letting be one of a man's ten concubines. we should be more progressive like the mongol hordes, saudi arabia, or african tribal societies

>>37337106
>It was basically rape. Deep down, most betas seem to be rape apologists.
>islamic honor culture will prevent rape and humanize women
holy shit that is good

>>37337106
>Muh naturalistic fallacy
No one gives a fuck about nature, faggot. Humans have transcended nature. Monogamy and the traditional family elevated the human species to glory, not fucking indiscriminately like wild animals. If you really care about nature you should be railing against hookup culture. It's literally ruining our species' special place on the food chain.

>>37341588
>what entitles low tier women to high tier men
Nothing. They're not entitled to it, but for various reasons, women can be more picky than men. It's all supply-and-demand. There's nothing forcing it to be this way.
>in fact why do you even rank people like this
It's just to have a formal approach to the whole thing.
>are you capable of liking people as individuals or is every an object to you
Of course women are capable of this, but you're not entitled to being liked by them.
>will value you is if you provide them something
>that is how it feels to be me or any other average looking man
That's exactly why the attitude towards polygyny must change.
Betas trying to win over women by providing them things is an archaic leftover from when women needed men for protection and subsistance. At first it was because they were weaker (which doesn't make it right). Then it was institutionalized economic oppression. This was all done for the benefit of betas regardless of what women truly wanted.
This has to stop. Betas are STILL trying to act as if they're entitled to women if they work hard and provide this or that. It's all very wrong.
Women were not meant to be with betas. At all.
Look what those expectation did to you. It made you miserable. It's culture and the educational system that failed you. You should never have had those expectations.
>all of histories progress has been to make these miserable disheveled people humanized and treated with dignity and respect (monogamy, human rights, medical access)
Betas absolutely deserve to be treated with dignity. I never implied otherwise. Everyone deserves this. I'm not saying alphas are "better" than them. They aren't. Not generally.
But betas are not entitled to women and monogamy. This is not their choice. It's women's choice.
Giving them agency and the freedom to make their own choice is humanizing them. If women tend to prefer sharing the alphas among themselves then everyone should respect their choice.

>having only ten percent of people breed
>better gene pool
what are recessive bad genes. you will literally breed us into extinction if you do that. inbreeding will be rampant and disease immunity will be nonexistent.

no one will believe me but I was the first to draw up an image like that

happy to see my meme continue after all these years

>>37341907

>beta men should be used to provide resources for everyone else and recieve no benefits and their gf should be able to sleep with Chad

You're a piece of shit.

>>37339141
You saw the word 'patriarchy' and got triggered, without realising that the post was saying that women should in theory be opposed to sexual liberation because it enables patriarchy.

I'm a misogynist but I at least carefully read arguments. Nowhere in the post did it say patriarchy was bad. Stupid child.

>>37339524
>It's not really about eugenics to me
Then you're deeply misled. No society lasts long when being bred dysgenically. No society functions well from dysgenic breeding. You're example of communal parenting relies on men selected for physical attractiveness simultaneously also being able to provide for a multitude of women. You didn't think this through.

>>37339628
What do you mean needlessly cruel towards kids? There will be no (or few) kids.

>>37341936
>>having only the top ten percent of people breeding is bad
You're literally denying the benefits of natural selection right now. Stop denying science Christfag.

>>37341884
And we must continue transcending nature.
Right now we're still organizing society around betas' entitlements to women. As if they were slaves to their primal urges and couldn't function without sex. This is very denigrating to them. We mostly got over our natural urges to kill and brutalize each others. Now betas must get over their natural urges to rape. It's not violent rape, but society trying to enforce monogamy is a leftover from when (economic) oppression forced women to mate with betas even if they would have preferred mating with alphas. This has to end.

>>37341986
>beta men should be used to provide resources for everyone else and recieve no benefits
Of course they should receive benefits. But they shouldn't expect women to be forced to be with them just because they worked.
>and their gf should be able to sleep with Chad
You do not own woman. They should be able to do anything they want as long as they're not directly hurting anyone. And no, not sleeping with someone isn't hurting them. The entitlement here is *terrible*.

>>37341010
exactly, your best isn't good enough so why bother. i know my place, and that's in front of the ol' computer.

>>37342073
>This has to end
Explain why.

i got an idea. what if only people with down syndrome were allowed to reproduce. down syndrome men are typically infertile so healthy women will be there harem and the workers of the world and down syndrome women are fertile so healthy men will be part of their harems and the workers of their world. the healthy woman and men's worlds will not be allowed to coincide. eventually we will have a whole world of down syndrome super men. also scientists will be working underground to figure out how to get down syndrome men to be able to reproduce. soon everyone would have lots of energy and be super strong

>>37342046
>genetic diversity is denial of science
>literally one of the key principles of genetics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_diversity
i am a genetics minor you idiot

I'm not wannabe chad OP here. From ages 17-24 I fucked 41 girls (26 now). I'm 5'11, above average looks, and surrounded myself with socially intelligent extroverted dudes; some of them being highly alpha.

My experiences with girls proved that they are animals. If they see you fucking other girls, they will offer themselves to you (subtly). There's no calculation, introspection, its literally a subconscious drive.

I would fuck entire friend circles because once I fucked one it would signal to the others that they should come get used by me.

There are guys that are less attractive than me that get more pussy because they're socially ambitious and gain energy from socializing. This appears to be key. I hate people and socializing is a chore, but I did what was necessary to fuck roasties. As I've gotten older and more intelligent, its even harder to deal with.

There have been several girls that I've treated like absolute shit. One girl wouldn't let me fuck her but sucked my dick easily a hundred times. She eventually let me fuck her, and then kept coming back despite me treating her like shit.

Don't treat women with any respect or dignity because they are animals. Let them choose chad and suffer for it.

>>37341986
>natural selection means the creatures make a conscious decision to reproduce with good ones.
>it isn't just people with less than preferable traits not surviving
evolution isn't a conscious entity but a natural phenomena

>>37342243
Because it's wrong to force people into having sex with people they do not want to? I really wish this was a given.
See, one of the reason women like alphas is that they don't think they're entitled to sex out of pity or because they provide things or because they're nice or whatever. They earn it by being sexually attractive to women. As if this was asking too much.
For various reasons women are more sexually selective than men (and everyone has a right to be). They mostly cannot help it. They are restricted to a smaller pool of men.
Before it was only men who were entitled to have sex with people they found attractive. But female sexuality was repressed and they were forced to mate with betas as part of an economic deal. And many still are eventually because of polygyny being illegal. This is frankly horrible. I don't see how anyone could support this in good conscience. Especially betas who claim to be "nice guys".

>>37342120
what benefits what entitles them to benefits. why should they just be cattle. in fact why shouldn't women just be cattle for the top guys too. why shouldn't everyone be cattle for these top 10 guys.

>>37342379

See, this is something people like you will never understand. We don't have a choice in the matter. Women don't want us. We don't "let" them get away with anything. So because you got to use and abuse women means you got to see the game first hand. We don't even get that.

So imagine how shitty your life has to be to know that women are dirty fucking whores but you also are a virgin loser.

>>37342445
>you aren't sexual attractiveness
women aren't really forced to be with betas they choose to exploit them for money and pretend to love them. if women had any integrity they wouldn't do that.

>>37342462
Nobody should be cattle anon. We should treat each others with respect, not feel entitled to using one another, and respect each other's personal decisions (especially women's decisions when it comes to choosing sexual partners, which betas still have a huge entitlement problem with).

>>37342466
heres the thing man: I fucked a prostitute in tijuana (# 42 but i paid so i don't include it). I enjoyed the fact that i was able to call her down from the dance pole, manipulate her with cash, and then go use her for ~50$

To me, it was economically expedient and i got exactly what i wanted, plus she was really hot. I could've fucked a roastie that was on the trip with us, but i was keen to fuck a stripper.

In summation, if I was a less attractive guy, I would find a way to work remotely, work in a 3rd world country, and live like a king surrounded by hot exotic girls who transacted their pussies for my cash. Sounds good to me.

Love is a meme and women are a nuisance.

>>37337106
>How was this OK that before the sexual liberation, women were forced to pair up with betas they didn't find attractive and that bored them?
Because that's what literally keeps civilization going. The more of the betas start clocking out, the less time there is left.

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>mfw I can literally fuck a prostitute right now if I wanted
Pussy is worthless tbqh

>>37342445
fair enough can you please stop being entitle to male resources then? women are extracting male resources with the welfare state and is being payed mostly by male taxpayers.

>>37342515
>women aren't really forced to be with betas
They kind of are if they want to get married because of how the laws are regarding polygyny.
>they choose to exploit them for money
They kind of get entrapped by betas. Women still feel societal pressure to be attracted to them because of our monogamous culture, but they end up lying to themselves. And if guys throw resources at them them and insist that it's to make both of them happy, etc, then it's hard to say no. Mostly it's betas who act very foolishly.
>if women had any integrity they wouldn't do that.
Women end up very confused because of societal expectations regarding monogamy. This is what has to change. If they didn't have to be so dishonest with themselves (and thus others too), there would be less "misbehaving" like this since there would be nothing to lie about.

>>37342622
>women are extracting male resources with the welfare state
Mostly because of single mothers. And there are lot of single mothers mostly because polygyny is still illegal (because betas still think it'll get them women). But they would rather be single than live in world like this and this ends up hurting children too.

>>37342655
>waaaaaaah my feelings are more valuable than having enough working men and soldiers to keep society running

this is retarded because it's central principle is wrong. women never exclusively fucked the top 10% of men. we have two eras to consider here. the first was the paleolithic era in which sex was wild and undetermined anybody who forced themselves on anyone could have it. then the neolithic era birthed the harem. men with many women had many children and larger royal families to help run their dynasties but for commoners monogamy was the standard as it was to preserve the smaller lands they had and maintain social order. the modern era may be shifting

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Fucking beta scum entitlement

>>37342655
women aren't forced to be with betas. they choose to because they're worthless parasites. A women would rather be miserable with a beta than work a job and support herself.

Conversely, an alpha isn't going to let some washed up roastie commit to him even if she is part of a harem. It seems to be a lose-lose for women

>>37342719
>have sex with me or else we'll stop working
Pathetic.
Women should never have had to put up with this, and they mostly aren't anymore.
Thankfully immigrants are less entitled and more grateful to live in the first world and will gladly do the jobs of betas that drop out of society because women hurt their feefees by not being attracted to them. And soon automation will render all of this irrelevant. We'll only need a small fraction of the male population working. The others will just need to stop being so entitled and violent.

are women really this disgusted by regular guys. i thought women were like men and loved on an individual basis (i.e some can love a poor ugly man cause he is him and some liked rich pretty men cause he is him) can women not see different perspectives of beauty

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>>37337106
>This entire post
>Islam is probably the only thing that can save the west
>being this stupid

wew lad.

>>37342782
>men are entitled for wanting a regular person to love
>women are naturally in the right for wanting the number one man and having an entire class of loveless slaves to work for them

>>37342805

Look around you. Do you see young women with young, average men? No, you see them with Chad's or older men. Women don't get with average and ugly guys until they are ready to settle down and put their pussy in retirement.

>>37342782
>Thankfully immigrants are less entitled and more grateful to live in the first world and will gladly do the jobs of betas that drop out of society because women hurt their feefees by not being attracted to them.
Lmao. Immigrants are literally gonna outbreed and massacre all of you westerners precisely because they know to keep women in check.
>And soon automation will render all of this irrelevant. We'll only need a small fraction of the male population working. The others will just need to stop being so entitled and violent.
Maybe if you're an isolated society with no internal threats, like Japan. And even then they might have jumped the gun a little bit since someone still has to do the automating, which is beta males. In the western nations flooded with shitskins, this is never going to work. Either the men get their shit together, or the mudslimes outbreed and outfight you. Again, automation could help (autonomous killer robots), but it's just not there yet.

Enjoy dooming humanity to die on this single shitty rock.

>>37342782
>immigrants don't reproduce and have sex
holy shit you are reaching. you have ignored basic genetic diversity principles, haram's never being as large as that, you are either baiting or trying really hard to ignore a simple natural principle.

>>37342744
>women aren't forced to be with betas. they choose to because they're worthless parasites. A women would rather be miserable with a beta than work a job and support herself.
This is the usual beta narrative to justify how they abused women.
The thing is that the workplace was very hostile to women. This was to force them to be with betas. This has now changed and women outearn men because they are better suited to the service economy. Hence the lower marriage rates (which could be fixed with polygyny).
And now with automation work will become unnecessary for many. Betas will REALLY have to address their entitlement issues because women won't have to put up with them anymore.
>Conversely, an alpha isn't going to let some washed up roastie commit to him even if she is part of a harem.
Why not? If the laws are changed it could become risk-free. Alphas could get as many wives as they can handle.
>It seems to be a lose-lose for women
It's a win for women. They will have many options of Alphas to share with other women, and MUCH more single betas to choose from than before, if they ever felt so inclined for some reason. Maybe some of them would enjoy having a harem of beta men instead of being part of an alpha's harem. That would become an option too.

>>37342869
that is really sad. i am bad nobody loves me and they are right to do so.

>>37342900
>an alpha male will provide for an absolutely regular woman
bitch you will literally live like a slave under this system

>>37342805
>are women really this disgusted by regular guys.
No, absolutely not. Not generally. But they're not sexually attracted to them.
>i thought women were like men and loved on an individual basis
They can still love ordinary guys in some ways, but they're biologically driven to seek the best genes when it comes to mating.
That's generalizing but that's a very strong tendency. That explains why they flock to alphas so much. And why betas have tried to control them for so long instead of accepting the women's sexuality is different from men's.

>>37342900
>the workplace is hostile to women
because women are worthless and aren't supposed to be there. They're literally children forever.
>if the laws are changed
that doesn't magically make a post-wall women appetizing
>harem of beta men
thats pretty wishful thinking

>>37342925

The first step is to know your place. You are human garbage. The reason why women don't want you is because you're worthless. They'd much rather be used and abused by alphas than be peacefully and happily married to you. All women are like this.

Just think about it, women all are drive by lust and will accept abuse if it is done by Chad and alphas.

>>37342445
>Because it's wrong to force people into having sex with people they do not want to?
Nobody is forcing them to have sex, anon. I do want to restrict them from all being able to share Chad, because it is dysgenic. Your code of morals is stupid and unsustainable.

>>37342849
Nobody is going to be made slaves by this. It's only women who are going to be freed from betas.
And what makes betas "entitled" is that they think that women shouldn't be allowed to act freely.
Both men and women should be allowed to act freely.

It's threads like these that make me really wish Hitler had just tried a little bit harder.

>>37342949
He won't have to provide for them. Life becomes much cheaper if many people share housing/appliances and shop together, etc. Not all wives would have to work. And it could just be part time work. And with basic income soon, it might not even be necessary.
It's unfortunate that betas living alone will have higher living expenses. That's an inequality that might have to be addresses. Maybe betas could share housings too. And who knows what this could develop into.

>>37343072
>not realizing you just described a 3rd world country

>>37342994
>I do want to restrict them from all being able to share Chad
Thus repressing women's sexuality. Betas don't realize how horrible they can be.
>>37343037
Hitler was a good example of a beta leading an uprising to control women's sexuality.
Betas have literally killed millions of people just because they couldn't attract women. And they still think they are the good guys.

>>37343111
It's incredible isn't it? I am convinced this guy is fishing for replies and he is doing an excellent job of it.

>Thus repressing women's sexuality
Good. We live a society where we suppress some of our urges to keep it running. It's why I don't murder everyone who bothers me or steal anything I want.

>Hitler blah blah blah
Not even going to honor this level of stupidity with a proper response.

>>37343111
The third world has a very uneducated population, extremely corrupt leadership and low industrial development. We don't have to do the opposite of everything they do just by fear that it'll make us like them. When it comes to polygamy I'd say they're more advanced than we are.
I'm not downgrading the usefulness of monogamy to bring us to the stage of development that we are. But it was immoral and is no longer necessary.

>>37343202
The second half of this post was meant for:
>>37343129

>>37343202
>Good. We live a society where we suppress some of our urges to keep it running. It's why I don't murder everyone who bothers me or steal anything I want.
Only the urges that are actively harmful should be suppressed. Coercing women into mating with betas is infringing on their rights. This is not moral. Everyone has a right to a certain freedom. Especially when it comes to things personal and intimate like this. What's the point of social progress if it's going to keep people enslaved?

>>37343212
well i've followed your logic thus far. so i guess ill now ask: what kind of propoganda would you use to convince betas that an ascetic, non-sexual, yet productive life is palatable?

>>37338023
>It's their fault because they don't want to be cuck slaves

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>>37342900
>Why not? If the laws are changed it could become risk-free. Alphas could get as many wives as they can handle.
Why would Alphas want wives, you dumb whore? It literally makes no sense. The very concept of a wife exists to limit the alpha's options, and give the beta a chance. Alphas won't support women because alphas don't need to support women, they get to reproduce extremely successfully regardless.

Core idea of marriage: alpha is limited to just 1 woman in theory, beta gets a chance to reproduce and assurance of paternity. In exchange, beta contributes working and fighting abilities to the tribe.

You whores think chad will take care of his harem, but he generally has neither the incentive, nor the ability. Shit you take for granted, like tap water, electricity, power, industrially produced food from half way across the world - is Chad going to somehow produce all of it alone for his entourage? You live in a bubble of civilization. You are being artificially kept alive by a multitude of things that you're not even aware of.

>>37343332

They don't have a choice in the matter. See, it's happening either way, might as well embrace it.

>>37343266
>Only the urges that are actively harmful should be suppressed
It is a harmful urge. Polygamy is dysgenic. Especially when the only selection is for physical attractiveness although I'm not claiming attractiveness is worthless.

>Coercing women into mating with betas is infringing on their rights.
Says who?

>This is not moral.
I don't subscribe to your moral code.

>Everyone has a right to a certain freedom.
Says who?

>What's the point of social progress if it's going to keep people enslaved?
Superior society. One that is more stable, productive, and prosperous. You'll find that people can also be quite happy with this "enslavement". Have you noted that women with more past sexual partners are more likely to be depressed as per CDC statistics?

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>This whole fucking thread
>tfw I know OP is baiting and sympathetic to us betas
>tfw I still want to kill him
>tfw he's probably right and this is our future
>tfw I used to think Chad was a cool dude but now want to kill him too
>tfw I want to kill the baby boomers too I think
>tfw no gf

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>year of our chad 40
>wake up at 6:00 am
>me and my bloc work for internet corrections corp as a whole work of creeps fills the our glorious chad's internet with crap
>get out of bed in my single bedroom apartment,
>the other men from block b-ta (tech corrections bloc) are off to work too
>my neighbor doesn't leave his block
>as i am walking to work ask what happened to him
>suicide
>a slow and somber march to work continues down brad st (one of lord chads favored) when all the sudden a man covered in pale purple clothe walks towards the b-ta march
>i have never seen a man covered in clothe like this before and thought it a joke so i laughed as most of the march did (a few of our more cold faced fellows refused laughter how can they be so joyless i wonder)
>"get back here you slut" a loud commanding cry echoes around the corner
>the man gaily murmurs "sorry, master"
>this truly was a strange and humbling walk to work i lost my neighbor and i saw some sort of talking man covered in clothe
>punch in to work and enter my cubicle
>the man from the block next to me says "hey anon did you see that thing on the way here i have never seen a woman before"
>what.jpeg
>i ask him what is a woman
>"come here anon look at this"
>he takes me over to his computer to look at some strange deformed naked man
>this is a woman
>i am intrigued and fascinated with this deformed man it is exciting to look at him
>"this is what make babies anon, lord chad makes babies with this"
>i am pretty pissed at this point. he is being tricked by the creeps into believing that chad didn't birth use by taking his soul and planting it in the dirt, to say otherwise is heresy towards our glorious father
>tell him he is being lied to by the creeps and that this image is a lie
>he stares sadly at me for a moment and then says "didn't you feel something when you saw it like something drawing you toward this man's embrace"
>how did he know
>meet me at bloc 14.88 and we can talk about this
cont.

You're right. Evolutionary speaking we should not let betas have wife's.

However the world doesn't revolve around evolutionary principles. We build our lives and society around the abstract rules and customs we have set up for ourselves. What is evolutionarily right and wrong is irrelevant, because humanity has ascended the evolution.

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>>37343369
>>tfw he's probably right and this is our future
Nice false flag. OP consistently fails to address the actual replies, and engages only the low hanging brainlet moralistic arguments.

>>37343436
yep. he's a master baiter

Can we stop beating around the bush and just admit that betas should just be culled for the good of the herd (society)? They are just using resources that should be going to Chad and his family. I mean, betas usually off themselves but we should make it public policy that betas have to be killed if they reach 18 years of age.

>>37343422
I'm unironically enjoying this. Please continue.

>>37343311
I think it wouldn't be *that* hard. Mostly betas are being mislead with unrealistic expectations very early on their lives. It's marketing and education doing that. Both have to stop poisoning their minds. Sex isn't a big part of most people's lives (unless they make it to be). And it's not equal to love. Betas wouldn't have to live a loveless life. If you stop expecting sex and have never had it, then you won't miss it. Marketing is terrible with this. It's sex everywhere. Because it sells and it drives people, but women can't handle sex so much sex with just about everyone.
Without the expectations most people would live just like before. Spend their income on cool hobbies. Just look at Japan. A good fraction of the population are virgins and they just wish they had more free time to play with their toys.

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>>37343432
>evolution only applies to individuals
Memes - like morality, religion, ideology - are just as much subject to natural selection as individuals. Some behaviours grant the group a better shot at survival and outcompeting other groups. How exactly do you suppose monogamous, agricultural societies came to dominate the planet? Through ruthlessly destroying or assimilating the hunter gatherers and inferior civilizations.

>>37343525
yea i think legalizing prostitution universally would also be cool

>>37337106
>It was basically rape. Deep down, most betas seem to be rape apologists.
I'll show you rape, all the feminist bullshit in the world doesn't change the fact even a small adult male can easily overpower most women.

>>37343570
So? I was speaking in reference to human evolution, not societal, meme or whatever else kind of evolution

>>37343525
>marriage is about love and the pleasure of sex
I wish all the 120iq normies would leave.

>>37343598
I think that it would be wrong. You cannot buy consent. It's still rape in a way.
Women often do so out of economic desperation. Even if they don't need to to survive, they often fall victim to this unhealthy lifestyle because it seems easy and they regret it later on. Society should put some effort into preventing people from hurting themselves I believe.
Both men and women should be encouraged to flourish in ways that does not involve exploiting anyone's sexuality. Sexuality should be something private and separate from the economy. Anything else is dehumanizing. That's why it's so important for no one to be coerced into it in any way whatsoever.

>>37343686
>typical beta entitlement to sex
Most rapists are betas. And they'll claim that alphas are the bad guys.

>>37343422
>i leave work at 8:00
>stars shine bright over head
>i am so aw struck by their beauty that i stop to sit on the curve
>i look up and their colors and shapes seem so much more vivid than ever before like a grand intelligence was performing a ballet for me
>in Orion's belt i see the man on the computer but as he too shoulders i instead saw the two nipples of the man on the computer and in messier 42 i see his strange deformed genitals
>i begin to cry at first from sorrow with the loss of my neighbor but the sadness i feel has a strange levity too it as if i were sad outside myself. despite my loss the cripple was still on my mind
>curling inward a felt the warmth of my thighs against my face and could feel my tears dry against the denim of my pants
>after a brief while in this comforting position i got and continued my walk home
>i walked down brad street until i got to the intersection of thad and tad street (the lord loves rhymes)
> thad lead left to home and tad pointed right to bloc 14.88
> i began to walk to me left but as i turned around i saw orion's bow point right and so i followed.
>i soon reached bloc 14.88 and there by the door was my coworker
>come in he said as he lead me upstairs
>this bloc was not unlike mine at all and soon we reached his apartment
>"hey anon" said my coworker as he opened up the door, walked behind me and lead me in by the shoulders
>"yes" i said
>"i am sorry" he said as he shoved me forcefully into his apartment and closed the door behind him
>i ran back to the door pounding on it in anger "is this a joke what the fuck are you doing" i screamed
> there was no reply but sobbing
>when i turned around i saw a man who i hadn't noticed before he was tall and his hair was slicked back
>he walked close to me and pressed his chest against mine "what's up bro" he said as he looked down at me
>this vocabulary indicated noble birth and that he was one of lord chad's favored i fell to my knees in respect
cont.

>>37343369
I only wish the best for betas AND women. Whatever "rights" betas imagine they should have cannot infringe on women's rights, that's all.
>>37343422
>>37343797
NICE
>cont.
You better.

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>>37343721
They're very closely intertwined. Did you miss the part where the groups that evolved certain memetic behaviours now number in the billions and dominate the planet? An alpha takes all approach is obviously inferior from an evolutionary standpoint, since the proponents of it get machinegunned by the betas.

What you probably meant is that allowing betas to reproduce is dysgenic, which is true. All kinds of defects get passed on which aren't otherwise. But so long as thr compound effect of all these defects does not stop the monogamous group from defeating the polygamous and matrilineal groups, it's not an evolutionary loss. Think of it this way, could you really analyze the evolutionary merits of an ant population purely by looking at the individual insect? A single ant is pathetic compared to many other bugs, but a colony can dominate their surroundings.

>>37341601
I need you to school me. How can I get to your level of understanding?

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The vibe I'm getting from this thread is we either have the rape of women or the enslavement of men to have a functional society.

>>37343850
i think legalizing prostitution is the happy medium desu

>>37343850
None are necessary. Notice the autist known as OP stops half his arguments once they get too hard for him? I doubt he even believes his drivel.

>>37343850
>enslavement of men
Who will enslave the men? A chad might get 10 times the women, but it doesn't mean he can take 10 betas in a fight. This would conceivably work with automation, but at that point you don't need the betas anyway. Too bad the alphas will probably not overlap with the ones maintaining the robots.

>>37343876
In a society with basic income and polygyny, the prices would skyrocket though. And most men would be put out of work due to automation, so they wouldn't have much to buy with. Women are better suited to a service and care economy, so they would generally have more money than men. It's mostly women who would buy the services of men for some quick gigs. Like taking care of kids or cleaning the house, etc.

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>>37337316
>betas oppress and exploit women, not be violent
so your telling me the betas who cant get any action are doing that while the top 20-40% of guys who fuck em n leave em arent? seems like you need to figure out where you stand first kid

>>37343887

The government enslaves beta men to provide for alphas and women. It already is happening with welfare and taxes. You think taxes and social services are for beta men? No, they are for Chad and his 9 baby mommas with 23 kids.

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>>37343887
>who will enslave the men
Who enslaved the jews? Who enslaved the Africans? Who enslaved the slavs?

I think the enslavement of "betas" i.e. the genetically inferior is pretty common throughout history. But it's been race/ethnicity based up until now. We may very well be moving towards the enslavement of "the uglies" by "the beautiful."

Unless, of course, the rape of women - via monogamous loyalty to a beta male.

>>37337765
Your bait is obvious man you come across as in idiot. You think betas are resisting? Betas are going out in the street punching on with leftys and islamists you dont know what beta means

>>37343920
Betas have long systematically exploited women through economic oppression.
And now for the first time in thousands of years, women will finally, truly be free and betas might not get their way anymore. And in large numbers, yeah I fear that there's a real risk that betas might turn violent if their sense of entitlement isn't kept in check.

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>>37343946
>The government enslaves beta men to provide for alphas and women
Who is this "government" guy? He sounds hella strong

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>>37343797
> "you know what is about to down bro" he said as he looked down at me removing his sunglasses and slicking back his fine noble hair filled with the grease which was an even greater sign of his high birth
>"i know not sir" i said with some fear
>"well your'e here aren't you" he said with a tinge of anger
>i could sense what was going to happen but dared not leave my humbled state
>"you came here to get some puss huh nigga"
>this speech was so refined i couldn't even understand what he has said with my layman's mind so i agreed out of fear
>"that's what i was thinking bitch step off from my dawgs's bae" he removes a hand gun from his coat pocket
> now i knew for sure he was of noble birth only those with the mark of chad could refer to him as dawg to do such in my position was punishable by death
>"let me explain this too you faggot, i am part of normie i keep creeps like you away from harassing chad's bitches like you did today and you came here trying to do"
>he was right when i saw that image it changed me the creeps had gotten into my head and i had become one of them
> " i am sorry" i said to him with a voice hollowed out in regret "kill me if it pleases chad but let him know i am sorry"
> "sometimes sorry isn't enough bro" he said
>"o-ok" i said as he pulled the trigger and my life went out with it's fearsome bang
>it is 6:00 am the men leave bloc b.ta one of the men notices the loss of his neighbor from the line, he asks the other worker what had happened
>suicide.

>>37343369
The pain will never end anon.

>>37343497
what does beta even mean. if the term beta means 90% of men then no

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>>37337614
Islam
>mutilation of womens genitals
>honour killings
>Persecution of gays
>Domestic abuse accepted in middle east
>women not denied many rights

Surely you arent this delisional kid. Go live in the middle east and tell me what happens. Pro tip last woman who tried to hitchhike across itm to prove how nice they are got raped and murdered before she even got past turkey

>>37343761
Yeah and what are you gonna do about it bitch? Cry to a male? If Chad has a harem he doesn't have much time to protect you, especially since I guarantee you aren't his main bitch.

See, this is what happened. You got raped so much your inferior gender is n ow genetically programmed to fantasize about being raped.

>>37343958
>Who enslaved the jews? Who enslaved the Africans? Who enslaved the slavs?
While all these are examples pulled out of ones ass, the answer is soldiers. Aka people that only exist in a civilized society, who don't produce their own food, weapons or other gear.

>>37344001

We can use the term beta to mean the bottom 80% of men.

>>37343959
>Your bait is obvious man you come across as in idiot.
I know I'm saying things no one likes to hear (not even women or alphas, it makes them feel bad too), but as society progresses and people are free to act and spend their time the way that they wish (without harming anyone), beta males will have to adapt and there's a real sense of entitlement wrt. women that is completely archaic.
>You think betas are resisting? Betas are going out in the street punching on with leftys and islamists you dont know what beta means
That's what I'm talking about. They turn to violence the instant their needs aren't being gratified. Even if it was at the expense of women.

>all these people who don't understand evolution
most creatures reproduce in nature it is survival and testing that causes trait selection not conscious animal decisions

>>37344028
See:
>>37343838
>>37343570
It's nature that created monogamy.

>>37344019
ok so only 20% get to reproduce. no genetic diversity means inbreeding, recessive gene disease (Huntington and down syndrome everywhere), no disease immunity, no varity in traits means stagnation. honestly if any of you knew even the first thing about evolution this thread wouldn't be here and the guy who made the good green text wouldn't have written that so good i guess

>>37344028
>survival and testing

No, it's rape. The strong rape, the weak die.

>>37344068
no everyone rapes, weak, strong, old, young. rape just happens and usually savage females are indifferent too it. really do you think apes are sitting there thinking "yeah i am not going to want to reproduce cause i am not as large as king banobo.

>>37344011
>Yeah and what are you gonna do about it bitch?
I'm not a woman. I'd gladly walk my female coworkers home to protect them from people like you until a final solution to the entitled beta males problem is found. And I'd do so because I respect them as people, not because I expect them to become attracted to me for things that I do. Unlike you.
>your inferior gender is n ow genetically programmed to fantasize about being raped
Only by alphas with superior genes.
Being raped by a betas is actually the most horrific thing a woman could ever experience. It disgusts them to their very core. I would never wish it upon any of them.

>>37343961
so they've gone from being violent to being at risk of becoming violent? good work on the bait btw but you went a bit over the top with the wording so pre obvious you dont believe any of that garbage

>>37344064
It is about evolution, but genetic diversity doesn't come into the equation. 20% of today's male population is still about 280'000 times larger than the supposed amount required to maintain sufficient genetic diversity into perpetuity And that's ignoring that the number of women stays at 100%.

The problem is they'll all starve/die of thirst/cholera/fighting for mates

>>37343978
SUPER original upboat

>>37344152
>GENETIC DIVERSITY DOESN"T COME INTO THE EQUATION
holy shit are you joking. did you ever read origin of the species genetic diversity is literally one of the traits necessary for the survival of a species

>>37343961
>And in large numbers, yeah I fear that there's a real risk that betas might turn violent if their sense of entitlement isn't kept in check.
WELL WHY THE FUCK SHOULD LEGIONS OF LONELY MEN SUPPORT THE FEMALE SEX WHEN THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO THEM?
I KNOW THIS IS A BAIT THREAD BUT HOLY SHIT YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAKING MY MAD ENOUGH TO HURT YOU IF I MET YOU IN REAL LIFE. MOST BETA MEN JUST WANT FEMALE AFFECTION WHICH IS DENIED TO THEM MOST OF THEIR LIVES.

>>37344181
yea tough shit kid. go hire a prostitute or go to a 3rd world country where your perceived value will skyrocket

>>37344171

The origin of all of humanity is literally a few thousand humans. YOU literally don't know shit about genetic diversity. You can safely kill off 90% of ALL men around the world. Come back to me when you make it past your first year.

>>37337106
>The alphas must be allowed to take on multiple wives.
Go fuck yourself, Achmed.

>>37344181
>MOST BETA MEN JUST WANT FEMALE AFFECTION WHICH IS DENIED TO THEM MOST OF THEIR LIVES
It's nice to want things, but what women want also matters. They have a right to their own sexual autonomy and to be attracted to what they are attracted to. And betas never were able to respect this.
How would you like it if you had to marry another beta guy and have sex with him to survive? See, women never did anything like this to men.

>>37344243
the original men were in a very precarious situation. genetic diversity is super important.

>>37344283
Pretty sure when you say beta you mean omega. A society without betas is doomed.

>>37337106
>Islam is probably the only thing that can save the west
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

no.

>>37344171
>>37344283
I think it's time to stop, OP. Pretending to be retarded is still retarded, even if you are getting (You)'s. I suggest you go do something more productive, like actually read the argumemts presented and think on it.

>>37344357

It's happening whether you like it or not. Embrace the Muslim cock or you will get the sword.

>>37344448
I wasn't the one arguing about genetics BTW.

I'm surprised that r9k is in so much denial about the future of betas.

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>>37337106
>Islam is probably the only thing that can save the west

GEE I WONDER WHO IS BEHIND THIS POST

>>37337106
>This whole attempt to enforce monogamy and traditional family to keep the betas satisfied is actually starting to destroy our society due to low birth rates. The only humane way to solve this is polygyny.
Overpopulation motherfucker. I'll accept that as a truth if we mass genocide China, India and Africa as they are the world's largest contributing factors to overpopulation, poverty, pollution, and so much other shit.

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>>37341011

what the fleshlight equivalent for a titty toy? I just want to knead some dough

>>37338077

So out of curiosity, if I don't really get anything out of society, why shouldn't I just go around setting shit on fire?

>>37344791
Because you're not a psychopath? Hopefully. Just because society isn't coercing women into gratifying betas anymore doesn't mean that you don't get ANYTHING out of it. You still get a lot. A lot more than in the third world for example.

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>>37344530
>fails to refute any of the biggest points brought against his thesis
>claims victory regardless

>>37344934
>hey beta, keep this society safe and running so that chad can hoard all the pussy
>you wouldn't want to be a PSYCHOPATH, would you?
It is sometimes painful to watch normies try to argue. How can one be this fucking clueless?

So basically betas have 3 options:

1. Go gay. Possibly live a fulfilled life with a partner who loves you.

2. Stay virgin. Hope for robot waifus, even though the new matriarchy will probably make them illegal. Women want to keep their control over betas.

3. Better yourself and become "alpha". The catch though is that your genetics can only take you so far, and the best you'll get is a single mother who wants a provider for little Jamal.

I'm choosing 1, I was bi already.

>>37344988
Chad isn't forcing anyone into anything. You're the one who would impose your wishes upon others. This is psychopathic.

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>>37344009
Pippa Bacca was her name.
http://conservativetribune.com/liberal-hitchhiking-islam-safe/
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/04/19/theater/19peac.html

>>37345000
>I'm choosing 1, I was bi already.
Good for you.

If polygyny were legalized I'm pretty sure society at large would recognize the need for robowaifus and not outlaw them.

>>37344934

We're human. Our main motivations are sex. Hell, most of civilization has just been men trying to get women in various ways.

If I'm not getting any women by following the rules of society, why not just take my gun and do whatever the hell I feel like? I'm not concerned with the morality of it anymore (As objective morals do not exist) and since society has pretty much kicked me into the gutter, I fail to see much reason to play by the rules.

Basically, having lots of young, fighting-age men with no access to women is, historically, a guaranteed recipe for civil discontent.

>>37345129

Addendum, if women are allowed to follow their instincts to be part of Chad-Harems, I'll just follow my instincts to, when I am not getting what I want, to do my best to burn it all down.

>>37345028
>psychopath
What a retarded word you chose. I know you're using it because it has a bad connotation and it makes you feel like you're right if you label your opponent with it, but unfortunately for your retarded ass the definition doesn't fit.

Google says a psychopath displays either abnormal or violent social behavior. We can cross off violent since monogamy as it has been in the west is not violent (though I'm sure your next reply will contain various stupid mental gymnastics to paint it as such).

Normalcy is relative. As of now monogamy isn't abnormal. People do it all the time. It was less abnormal in the past. All it takes is changing society to make it normal.

Now that we've established that the word doesn't work, can you stop spouting it like a downie on crack? (If you're reasonable, you would. I really suspect you're not).

>>37345129
I can't understand your thinking. How in the hell is society owing you sex? Sex is not right. Even if only because getting it infringes on other people's rights.
There are people suffering much more than this not turning into psychopaths.
And then you'll claim that betas are "too nice".

>>37344453
I'm waiting for a civil war to break out so I have an excuse to kill those mudslime goatfuckers, it's only a matter of time.

>>37345194

Where did I say it did owe me sex?

All I am saying is that if I am not getting what I want by following the rules, why should I follow the rules? As a heterosexual male, what I want is women. Trust me, I wish this wasn't the case, since, I hate the vast majority of women, but, I have no choice in the matter.

>>37345173
Look at an extended definition. It also means egotism, lack of empathy and remorse. Imposing your wishes upon others' personal lives is psychopathic. Because it does not concern you and it ignores other people's wishes even if they're not actively harming anyone.
Monogamy in the west wasn't violent because it had been institutionalized. It was mostly enforced by economic oppression, the whole system being backed by violence. Marriage is still restricted though.
Bringing back monogamy would require bringing back heavy economic oppression of women to force them into mating with betas. Wishing to oppressing a whole class of people like this is pretty psychopathic to me.

>>37345280
I don't know what to tell you. It is not a right.
Chemical castration or kys.
Damn beta entitlement is a very serious problem.

>>37340592
listen, just because you want to comfort yourself over wasting your youth as a "programmer lel" doesn't mean "evolutionary fitness" means something different now. "evolutionary fitness" is what works, plain and simple. the traits that allow you to breed.

>>37345345

Nope, it's not a right. But, then again, having men who are getting nothing out of the deal obey the rules isn't a right, either. There are consequences to all actions, and it's entitled to think that society can just cast people aside without those people getting pissed about it.

Society is based on an exchange. In exchange for not burning shit to the ground, I have to actually get something out of the deal. I'm not getting anything out of it, so, why not?

In any case, men are created by biology *specifically to kill things.* That's why we, upon reaching adolescence, get bigger, meaner, and stronger. If women are just gonna be nothing but animals and join their harems, I'll just be nothing but an animal and start getting violent.

>>37345028
And? What do I gain from not being psychopathic? What makes you think a word will stop men with nothing to lose and everything to gain?

As I said, you normies are utterly clueless. You live in a bubble, an illusion and never stop to ponder how the world works and what actually makes your lifestyle possible. You're like that girl in the video, asking a bear to "please stop" ripping up her kayak and stuff. As if her appeals had any power on their own.

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>>37340592
I almost forgot
>he
sure thing, kid

>>37338352
>Betas can still live meaningful, fulfilling lives and contribute to society
They can, yes. You can go work at Walmart for free, probably. I don't think you understand what the problem is, dumbass.

>>37337106
i don't have a problem with is as long the state doesn't force us to pay taxes for single mother welfare or any other kind of welfare

>>37345379
Again, still expecting that society should somehow force women to be with you because that's what you want. Regardless of what women want.
No, society cannot get you that. It can get you A LOT of things if you're willing to work, but not that.
If you truly cannot function without institutionalized rape, then you would have to be put down. Like alphas did to betas who tried to rape women before. You don't belong to the civilized world if you are going to be violent.

Seems like entitled betas revolting because they have no more leverage on women will be a huge issue in the next decades. Maybe some kind of testing could be developed to identify at risk individuals and they could be sent to camps or castrated.

It's really ridiculous that betas are so sex-obsessed that they would let it come to that.

>>37345466
There would much less single mothers if polygyny was legal, so this coud work out.

>>37341679
>mongol hordes
>mongolia is clearly black on the map
u dum

>>37337106
Women are meant to serve men. There is no disproving this.

Feminsm is cancer. A non-virgin woman is tainted goods.

>>37345324
>egotism
On the contrary, monogamy creates a more generate and prosperous society for everyone. You've yet to even challenge this point in favor of saying that it doesn't immediately assuage the sexual desires of women so it must be bad.

>lack of empathy and remorse
You've lacked empathy more than anyone else in the thread. Remorse is felt after doing something immoral. Your next move will be to say that "oppressing women" by means of enforcing monogamy is immoral. My response is to say your moral code is retarded, dysgenic, and inferior.

>Monogamy in the west wasn't violent because it had been institutionalized. It was mostly enforced by economic oppression, the whole system being backed by violence
You just said it wasn't violent and that it was in one breath. You're going to have to explain what you mean here.

So called economic oppression is just women choosing men based off what resources they have. You're arguing that because they're denied following their most basic and anamalistic desires that their being oppressed. A child could see why this argument is retarded. As I said we live in a society where we oppress some desires in order to make it work. Your response will be that this particular desire doesn't cause harm. My response is to tell you that's wrong, because it leads to dysgenic breeding.

>Wishing to oppressing a whole class of people like this is pretty psychopathic to me
You're stating this while trying to make a whole class of men work without being able to have any women. If you're going to follow your (heavily flawed) definition of psychopathy then you're just as psychopathic as I am.

You're going to have to try harder if your going to keep this bait up, anon.

>>37345491
>Again, still expecting that society should somehow force women to be with you because that's what you want. Regardless of what women want.
men don't want to pay taxes to support single mothers. why isn't that taken into account? women got their freedom so betas should get theirs too

>>37345491

Where did I say that society should force women to do anything? All I am saying is that there are consequences to all actions, and, denying most men access to women is an action that has consequences. It is entitled for anyone to expect that their actions won't have negative consequences.

If women want to be animals and follow nothing but their instincts, then they should be prepared to accept the consequences to those actions. If they make that choice and are fine with it, then, more power to them.

>If you truly cannot function without institutionalized rape

I'm a heterosexual male. Most of us biologically cannot function well without access to women. That's not our fault.

>You don't belong to the civilized world if you are going to be violent.

There is no such thing as the "civilized world." Humans are still basically animals, and we're only a few missed meals from complete societal breakdown, at the best of times. As I said, human males are, quite literally, biologically constructed solely for violence.

So, let women do what they want. Just don't be surprised if guys who are not benefiting from the new deal of society decide to check out and stop holding up their end of the bargain now that they are getting nothing from it.

>>37342379
Fuck off, normie. Your opinion isn't valid nor wanted here.

>>37345491
No one is actually being forced to be with us, that's pretty fucking apparent by the fact that we are all friendless losers. All this argument boils down to is that you don't even think we should be able to have girls to like us. How is this not completely benign?

>>37344283
>what women want also matters

Spoken like a true cuck/beta. Women only need to want to serve their man.

>>37345000
Bettering yourself is limited to age. If you are past 25, or let alone past 30 - your hope will be less than zero.

>>37337106
We are already using stored energy to support our overgrown population at an unsustainable rate. We are not a species at risk of extinction, low birthrates are increasing common in educated countries out of choice not lack of resources. Fluctuations in population numbers are normal in most species based on resources available, why should we be different?

>>37345661
I'm a 25 female still looking for a future husband. There has to other girls like me out there for him.

>>37345558
>On the contrary, monogamy creates a more generate and prosperous society for everyone.
But everyone has to WILLINGLY participate in it. And women have increasingly shown that they are unwilling to.
They are one half of the population and their will matters. Democracy will guarantee that their rights are preserved. If you do not value democracy then I don't know what to tell you.
>You've lacked empathy more than anyone else in the thread.
I can empathize with betas, but also with women.
>So called economic oppression is just women choosing men based off what resources they have.
They paired with betas largely because they lacked their own resources. Now more and more women don't need to get married at all for financial reasons, they don't have to mate with betas if they don't want to. The main reason they still do is because of polygyny isn't legal and accepted yet.
>My response is to tell you that's wrong, because it leads to dysgenic breeding.
Eugenics could be handled differently. Most alphas aren't brutes like betas like to pretend. They are intelligent and well-adjusted. But if that's really an issue, then another layer of selective breeding on top of this or genetic engineering could fix this. There's time to see problems coming.
That women should be forced to mate with betas for genetic reason is yet another ploy they might come up with to justify oppressing women.
>You're stating this while trying to make a whole class of men work without being able to have any women.
Nobody is entitled to having sex with anyone else.
People are expected to work in a society.
Simple.

You want to fix things? Drop the alpha/beta dichotomy. It's beyond retarded.

>>37345747


No one is entitled to someone else's labor, either.

>>37345787
You do get paid.
You just don't get to sexually exploit women for it.

>>37337472
I personally have no need for affection anymore and have never been in a relationship but that's not for everyone. Most people pretty much go insane over not being loved. Do you think all those women you care about would be OK with being in the same situation as a robot? Sure we hate where we are but women would go completely off the walls ballistic if they don't get Chas dick. Hell they're already crazy even with the miles of available Chad dick.

>>37345718
Women have all the chances in the world. I was referring to men.

By 25 you need to be very sexually experienced and have had least one serious relationship to be considered a good, functioning member of society.

>>37345806

So you're saying you're still entitled to my labor and will force me to labor even if I don't want any part of the deal offered?

I reject the deal for the same reason I'd reject a job offer that wanted to pay me in rectal exams - the reward is not worth the effort.

>>37345768
Pic in the OP is exaggerated but represents a real phenomenon. The alphas on top and the betas on the bottom. It doesn't matter why they are alphas are betas. But there's a huge disparity and it's increasing. The situation is a natural one. It used to be even more extreme and that's probably what we're heading towards. Societal norms used to keep this in check, but it was very oppressive to women.

We won't return to our oppressive ways of the past, so society will have to adapt to these behaviors. They are part of human nature.

You guys do know that betas are actually the guys still getting married and what you're referring to are omega males, right?

A beta male is a textbook normie with a mid range GF who gets married and moves to the suburbs to breed. An omega is the guy you're talking about.

>>37345844
Yeah, their reality is different. Men compete, women choose. There's a biological basis for all of this.
Overall women have a large advantage over men in modern society. Men being stronger doesn't matter anymore. And the average intelligence of men and women are about the same (men have more variance though). And women are better at social tasks. And women are more sexually wanted (BY FAR) and they don't mind sharing alphas, leading to a large surplus of betas. So yeah, there's a reason people were wearing those "The future is female." t-shirts. It's literally true. Beta males really need to manage their expectations for the future.

>>37345906
I'm all for welfare FWIW.

>>37345747
>But everyone has to WILLINGLY participate in it
And I should believe that because you said so? We should do it because it is better. Women weren't as unhappy in the past as you think.

>If you do not value democracy then...
Then you don't know what to tell me. Instead of sitting here and telling me democracy is great because your facebook friends told you so, how about you tell me what's good about it? Democracy assumes that the mass of people somehow know what's good for a nation. Often they do not. Don't do something because a lot of people believe it. Do something because it is better.

>I can empathize with betas, but also with women.
I can empathize with both as well. Since you're in the same boat, you can concede that you can empathize with a group without wanting to fill their every desire. Drop the "psychopath" cope you have going on, anon.

>The main reason they still do is because of polygyny isn't legal and accepted yet.
It should remain that way. Polygamy is inferior, afterall.

>Eugenics could be handled differently. Most alphas aren't brutes like betas like to pretend. They are intelligent and well-adjusted.
Many "alphas" are not intelligent or well-adjusted however. And basically the only good trait selected for in your proposed society is attractiveness. Without genetic engineering (and I personally doubt it will come around as soon as some people think), a lot of good traits that come from other men may not be as prevalent.

>That women should be forced to mate with betas for genetic reason is yet another ploy they might come up with to justify oppressing women.
Your definition of oppression is stopping anamalistic desires for the sake of society. All who live in civilization are "oppressed" under your definition. I couldn't care less.

>>37346016

That's not answering my question.

Why should I grant my labor to society when I am not getting what what I want in return?

>>37345747
>Nobody is entitled to having sex with anyone else.
I agree, which is why I never said people are entitled to sex. Furthermore, women aren't entitled to sex with Chad. Interesting what comes to you when you use your brain!

>People are expected to work in a society.
Yes people work in society in return for reaping its benefits. Good thing I'm making sure people can get something out of it.

Your logic is getting worse by the reply. Don't get flustered.

>>37346029
>Many "alphas" are not intelligent or well-adjusted however

No, just most of them. That's why they continue to succeed on all levels. It's funny how utterly in denial about this people are who aren't as smart as they think they are. The world would collapse if well adjusted, intellectual, alpha man didn't run it on every level that matters.

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>>37337106
Fight the statue not the shadoe.

>>37342561
You are right you know. Everyone its free, the humans relations should have respect, etc.
But the consequence at the end its that society should accept inequality, and Betas realize they are shit in the society and that they will never have personal fullfishment (understanding that affective relationship its necesary to fullfishment).
Under these circumstance Beta man can just die in the shadows, or rebel against a society that only want their jobs

>>37337383
It is the betas that are the working cogs of society. Only through monogamy and a nuclear family are they given incentive to even participate in furthering civilization. It is the construction worker, the post master, the chef, the gardener that maintains the very foundation society. Of you want their labor and taxes them you must compensate them it. If you think that you can just take it, then expect to be murdered in your sleep. Alphas are few while betas are many. Remember that, you little shit, and shut you fucking mouth.

>>37346070
Consider reading your post again. Both my quote and your response. I think, if you put enough effort in, even you can see why you made yourself look like a massive retard.

>>37343072
>Betas could share housing
>And who knows what this could develop into

It will develop into a big fucking spectrum of cucks

>>37346016
crypto commie thread

>>37346029
>And I should believe that because you said so? We should do it because it is better. Women weren't as unhappy in the past as you think.
Yet you don't get to decide that for them. That's a pretty basic western value that people should be free.
>Democracy
Is not going away. Betas have always tried to restrict women's rights to force them to breed with them. They're NOT going to give it up. Preventing women from getting high paying jobs to force them back to the kitchen is a beta fantasy and it shows how much disrespect they have for women.
>Polygamy is inferior, afterall.
But it's not what women want. Society should accommodate the will of its people. We're already half-way there anyway.
>Many "alphas" are not intelligent or well-adjusted however.
Probably more so than betas.
>And basically the only good trait selected for in your proposed society is attractiveness.
Which correlates with physical fitness.
>Your definition of oppression is stopping anamalistic desires for the sake of society. All who live in civilization are "oppressed" under your definition.
There's things that harms others or violate their rights, and things that don't.

>>37345440
Don't even bother it's just low hanging bait

>>37337106
>It was basically rape

Okay.

>>37346140

>I'm calling you a retard but refusing to elaborate because I expect you to come the same conclusion I did when you triggered me - the post

You didn't honestly think I read your whole post, did you?

>>37346221
>Preventing women from getting high paying jobs to force them back to the kitchen is a beta fantasy and it shows how much disrespect they have for women.
no one is doing that
women are not going to stem or high complexity medical specialities or any other high paying areas because they don't want to
>There's things that harms others or violate their rights, and things that don't.
like forcing taxes on betas to sustain women's lifestyle

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>>37343422
>>37343797
>>37343978
incredibly original comments

>>37346221
>Yet you don't get to decide that for them. That's a pretty basic western value that people should be free.
Don't give me that anon. Even you recognize that not everyone can get what they want. Spouting buzzwords like "freedom" around won't make you look any less retarded.

>Is not going away. Betas have always tried to restrict women's rights to force them to breed with them. They're NOT going to give it up. Preventing women from getting high paying jobs to force them back to the kitchen is a beta fantasy and it shows how much disrespect they have for women.
I couldn't help but notice you shifted from arguing the validity of your point to arguing what you believe is going to happen in the future. Note your cowardice, but I'll play your game anyway because I'm bored.

>But it's not what women want.
Don't care if it isn't what some subsection of women want and I don't care what you think society should do just because it makes you feel warm and fluffy inside. I'd argue we're not going toward polygamy anyway. Imagine we had a vote on it tomorrow. Swaths of women across america at least would resoundingly reject it. You're counting on liberals to become more prevalent and I doubt it will happen like you think.

>Probably more so than betas
You meant to say less so than betas I'm guessing. But that's just your guess and therefore doesn't matter in the slightest. I'm going to assume other traits are distributed equally among men of various levels of attractiveness. You're still failing to select for other good traits other than perhaps physical fitness which I'll give you.

>There's things that harms others or violate their rights, and things that don't.
I've never suggested harming people. As for "violating their rights":

Your definition of violation of rights is stopping anamalistic desires for the sake of society. All who live in civilization "have their rights violated" under your definition

>>37346292
You're pretty fucking stupid. Stop eating paint chips.

>>37338861
This was actually my favorite version of Pepe. The /pol/ Nazi Pepi and the Reddit Kekistan Pepe were never as good as the /r9k/ Poopoo Peepee Pepe.

>>37344025
Betas are going out in the street punching on with leftys and islamists? you dont know what beta means

there was meant to be a question mark but thanks for proving my point. Betas dont beat people up thats why their called betas thats what alphas do. again thank you for proving ym point and showcasing your bait

>>37346263
I will bother because if you allow retards to speak unimpeded, the newfags will just think they're in good company. I know most of these posts are a faggot fishing for (You)'s, but I also see that many robots are having trouble constructing good counter-arguments.

>>37346550
>dont know what beta means
Most men are betas. Socially enforced monogamy is how 80% of men get their shot at reproduction. It doesn't even matter how good or bad you are at being a man, what matters is where you are on the distribution of all available men. In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is chad.

So am I alpha since I'm married?

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>>37337106
This was some pretty intense b8 OP
nice job

>>37337106
Stale bait definitely a 3/.... >>37337151

8/10 good bait

>tfw my bait only gets ~100 replies and then dies
>Very low amount of (you)'s when I post in an existing thread
Can I get some tips? Honestly shitposting like this is an artform.

>>37346483
>buzzwords like "freedom"
It's an essential value of our culture. "Not getting what you want" is very different when what you want infringes on the freedom of others.
>I couldn't help but notice you shifted from arguing the validity of your point to arguing what you believe is going to happen in the future.
True. Taking away women's rights and economic independence is such a ridiculous idea that it's not worth thinking about. And it's immoral to me.
How their independence will shape society matters a lot though.
>Swaths of women across america at least would resoundingly reject it.
It's what the sexual liberation logically leads to though. There's still cultural resistance, but it will eventually change. It's just a legal thing at this point. What do you think will happen to the hordes of millennial women who can't get high status men to commit? There's a huge shortage of those (relative to women's status). They might try to settle but it might not work. Many will keep on dating the highest status men they can well into their 40s. We're looking at millions of unmarried millennials in the next decade. They'll form all sorts of non-monogamous arrangements. Probably mostly polygyny.
>You're still failing to select for other good traits other than perhaps physical fitness which I'll give you.
Give some credit to women. I use "alpha" in a very loose sense. It's just that the distribution keeps getting more skewed and more and more men will not get married. As it is it is overwhelmingly related to status.

>>37346728
Man in this case it was just raw effort. I literally spend ALL NIGHT debating this whole giant cuck fantasy of mine to make you guys rage.

There's some truth to all of this though. Things are already bad and they could get a lot worse. The millennial generation is the most fucked since the one following the civil war.

>>37337106
>Clearly you're right. First, we need to chadwash history by photoshopping the appearances of famous (male) figures over time. Next, we need to also portray people on the wrong side of history as betas characterized by short or round stature, balding, a weak jawline, etc. Clearly these guys lacked the masculinity to cultivate civilization.

>Anyways, after some female media domination (as in complete domination), we can move to stage 2. So this is known as the Beta Genocide, basically we'd have a rigidly diverse council of female and nonbinary people evaluate every straight male in the land. Men over a 7.5/10 would be salvaged and appreciated, men under a 7.5 but over a 6 would be further analyzed. Signs of whiteness, white personality, obscure interests, physical/mental disability, and political incorrectness would act against a given man, possibly making him an 'undesirable' with the other subpar men. They would then go on to beheaded by the sexiest men rated by the council- the ultimate humiliation.

>The final stage involves the economization of the male human race. With the undesirables gone, attractiveness standards can be contained in a reasonable range such that men have a monetary value associated with looks and assets. With hard work and a forced (hormonal) desire to improve society, a woman can save up for various guys to impregnate her according to her needs.

>Overall, I feel that after these three stages a woman can truly feel liberated and in control of her body and family. This would be the peniultimate way to accelerate the progress of the human race (not as efficient as eliminating the male threat entirely), thank you for tuning in.

>>37346814
Outstanding. Upboat.

>>37346735
>It's an essential value of our culture.
You just said freedom is good unless it infringes on the freedoms of others in plain english. But it's okay when it infringes on the freedom of some males because they are not the majority. That is your logic. It is piss poor and when push comes to shove your life philosophy is inferior and will inevitably lose to a people that strive for something better.

>True. Taking away women's rights and economic independence is such a ridiculous idea that it's not worth thinking about. And it's immoral to me.
How their independence will shape society matters a lot though.
This sentence is what really makes your posts smell like bait. You just made women's rights (read: wants) a core issue worth restructuring all of society for. This is either elaborate bait or incredible stupidity.

>It's what the sexual liberation logically leads to though
Maybe. Doesn't make it any less stupid. If it does come to be it'll die fast. It's just not productive or sustainable.

>As it is it is overwhelmingly related to status
Except for a few young executives or otherwise very successful people, high status among women is mostly physical attraction.

>>37346798
If it's really you then congratulations. This is the most effective bait I've seen in awhile.

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3/10
It was fairly believable up until the "this is basically rape" part, at least.

>>37346798
I recognize the effort with the replies but this just seemed so obvious that I though no one would reply after a few posts. Is the trick antagonizing them with the replies or setting the hook as best you can and hope for the best?

>>37337106
Society is built by betas. Chad and his harem cannot build roads, operate powerplants, maintain sewers, extract oil, engineer and produce cars and planes, etc. by themselves.

How are you going to sell a life of slavery to betas? When they realize they're literal slaves paying for Chad and women's lifestyle they'll realize that they have zero reason to participate in society. This will give you even more "where are the good men" and "ree those fucking manchildren playing vidya instead of marrying me to support the kids I had with Chad" articles, an maybe, maybe some kind of beta uprising down the line.

Civilization or nature. Pick one. Civilization is built upon marriage. You're doing an appeal to nature "it's like this in nature, therefore it's right!", and fail to realize that it's exactly where it would lead us, back into mud huts.

>>37347058
I dunno. Does it matter how obvious? People love bait. It matters that people get emotionally involved and that there's *some* real truth to it. And this is what many radical feminists actually believe. Even if they won't express it clearly. And yeah it pushes people's buttons that women control the sexual market. Especially here. I *always* try to work it in.

>>37338180
The school of thought that believes sexual orientation is just a choice is a big fucking contradiction my friend. If things continue like this we will soon be filled with strange gangs of geeks all over the nation. But it is natural and I accept it my friend. VR might fix all of this though.

>>37347085
Literally nothing you wrote in your angry nonsensical rant was true. Spoken like a NEET who has never done a single contribution to society. You are a waste of oxygen and I hope you die soon from obesity related complications.

>>37347357
Anon I'm not going to reply to you anymore if you keep throwing retarded bait and projections instead of debating like an adult. You're the only angry person here. That says a lot about you.

>>37347357
Witness the obsession

>>37337106
No problem with abolishing monogamy and going back to only a minority of men being able to mate and have a family. But then you can't have a welfare state, rule of law and order, modern infrastructure etc.

Without incentives betas won't work their ass off for that shit anymore.

>b-but they're not entitled to women
Neither is society to their compliance and hard labour, let's just end modern civilization and problem solved.