What's the best political ideology and why is it libertarianism?

libertarianism is the most autistic and implausible of all possible political systems

Libertarianism enables the growth of ideologies that would destroy it.
Fuck free speech and free association, if commies are plotting, fucking shoot them.

Fascism is the only way.

>>36975009
but without free speech and free association, it's just communism

>>36975052
>but without free speech and free association, it's just communism
Never speak about politics again.

>>36974806
close, but it's anarcho-capitalism. the state has no moral right to exist.

>>36975068
why, because your precious ideology may turn out to be shit?

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>>36974806
Fascism, of course.

>>36975009
>Fascism is the only way.
Salute

>>36974806
Because it is the only one that respects individual rights and won't get your civilisation destroyed

>>36974954
>ignores all historically libertarian societies and their flourishing economies

keep on trucking, commie scum

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Social NEETism is the only way to survive

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>2017
Not being a progressive justice democrat.

*giggles* Enjoy never getting pussy in your life, loser!

>>36974806
What is that a picture of? Reverse image search has nothing.

>>36974954
Nope, you're forgetting about Anarcho-capitalism

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>>36974806
Libertarianism is good but i specifically prefer minarcho georgism because regular libertarians ignore that owning land is theft from the community and it can cause monopolies which will lead to corporatism

>>36974806
There is no
>best ideology
just pick what works

>>36975720
Their is only one truth

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>he isn't a radical centrist
>he doesn't wanna throw anyone too far right or too far left into the gulag

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>He isn't a national socialist
Anarcho capitalism is acceptable. Globalist capitalism, corporatism, and any form of communism should be eradicated tho

>>36975068
>never speak about politics again
Sure thing tovarisch Ninel! I will worship Stalin and serve the rodina/Jewish Autonomous Region and stay silent.

>>36975839
National socialism equals corporatism

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>>36975870
nuh uh big poopy head

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>>36974806
libertarianism because it strives for liberty as it's chief value, unlike Liberalism which strives for equality as it's chief value. And conservatism, which put's it's chief value as conserving the past. Liberty is what humans have struggled for, for their entire existence. one con though, is that in America, most active libertarian's are fucking autistic, who are WAY too radical. In multi-party democracies libertarians are a great set of people. We need to moderate the current libertarian party.

Pic related, I collect Gadsden flags

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>>36975009
>>36975296
>>36975839
>>36975909
>be Hitler
>start a war that kills 30 million whites
>ruin the reputation of nationalism
>create the largest leftist backlash in history

>>36975979
>unlike Liberalism which strives for equality as it's chief value.
That's social liberalism, classical liberalism is about liberty and freedom

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>>36975687
This is an example of a faggot who is to radical and needs to be thrown into an oven as my nigga >>36975793 says.

>>36975909
>>36975839
>>36975296
Facists are fags who want a daddy state to rule over them. They want the state to control them and take over every aspect of their lives because they cant take care of themselves like a real person. Probably why so many NEETs like them.

>>36975839
Uneducated "nazi" detected. Corporatism is actually a fundamental tenent of national socialism. And no, it doesn't mean corporate control.

>>36975909
Fascism/corporatism is a system of goverment invented by benito mussolini.Hitler just used the name national socialism instead of corporatism and added white nationalism to it.Modern america is corporatist too but the reason you dont like it is not because your against corporatism.The reason you dont like it is because america is using corporatism to promote anti traditionalist anti white ideas

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>>36976006
Classical liberalism is libertarianism, just under a diffrent name. In America, Classical liberals are called Libertarianism

>>36976069
Geo minarchism is the purest form of libertarianism

>>36974806
>>36975839
>not being isolationist-tribalist
Follow your forefathers
Fuck meme idealism

>>36975984
Implying nazism is fascism

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>>36976163
It also doesn't work. Have a bit of pragmatism. The state is inevitable. Anarchy is futile. and infantile. minimalize the state and maximize private rights. A minarchism ideal of society is IMPOSSIBLE. Work in the realm of possibility, or freedom will die.

>>36975687
>regular libertarians ignore that owning land is theft from the community and it can cause monopolies which will lead to corporatism
What a retarded thing to say. Land ownership comes directly from self-ownership as Locke puts it: the land to which you impart labor is yours. You're not a real libertarian

>>36976292
Well, all you fascists always worship Hitler, see this thread as an example.

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>>36976163
Wrong again, geofag. Anarcho-capitalism is the purest form of libertarianism

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>>36975839
>Anarcho capitalism is acceptable
and national socialism isn't. Embrace anarcho-capitalism

>>36975687
Best post so far.

Libertarianism is generally better than authoritarianism, but I think having a capable government that supports the people (in productivity, health and quality of life) is more important than freedom from taxation. Georgism is good as an eventual aim, but I'm in no hurry to get there.

I'd like to get rid of sales taxes ASAP though (excluding hypothecated levies on products with significant externalities).

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>>36976443
>>36976501
Radicals like you is why the party is a joke. FUCK YOU. You are the reason libertarians are seen as unrealistic. Because you think that there cant be a state. Which is almost as naive as thinking the state can be good.

>>36976443
Ancaps believe in owning resources that they didnt create.You can only own your labor, you cant own the land just because you where there first because thats theft.
Georgists just support a LVT and we are against all other taxes because they are theft.
Also ancapism is a meme ideology.
Private police wont work

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>>36976574
Going though Fascism to get freedom is like going though Communism to get food.

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>>36976574
>wants to tax people for owning land
>"w-we're libertarians, I swear"
I want geofags to get off my board

>>36976649
Why should you own resources you didnt create?

>>36976632
>You can only own your labor, you cant own the land just because you where there first because thats theft
owning land because you were there first is an invalid reason to own land, I agree. That is why the land to which you "impart" labor, so to speak, should be yours. Land that you use for crops should be yours, for example

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>>36976649
Sales tax is okay. Fuck you dumb radicals.

>>36976679
>what is labor-based appropriation

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>>36976744
>theft is ok

>>36976704
Land cant be yours because you didnt create it.You can only rent it from the community and thats where the Land value tax (LVT) comes in

>>36976349
The problem is the supply of land is fixed, so there's not much land left that can be gained by imparting labor to - and most exceptions are of such low value that you probably wouldn't want them.

Land ownership is important, but restricting others' liberty to access your land is not something you should be able to do freely.

>>36976501
Huh, you know there is something appealing about this philosophy. I've always been pissed off by roads for some reason. Where can I learn more?

>>36976776
>Land cant be yours because you didnt create it
see >>36976749

>Autists using Libertarian and Ancap interchangeably

Fucking stop.

>>36975068
Say it with me r9k:

NOT

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>>36976788
Visit daily /lrg/ threads on /pol/

>>36975839

Socialism ONLY makes sense when combined with nationalism. I really don't understand how modern day leftists are so ardently socialist, and yet also so ardently globalist. It makes no sense. I understand they want to use taxes to fund college, healthcare and the environment, but why do they also want to import millions of third worlders that would just substantially raise the burden on the taxpayer? Socialism requires that you have community standards or else it just falls apart because you have too many people taking advantage of the system.

>>36976744
I agree we should still have taxes but sales tax is theft because it steals from your labor.The Land value tax (LVT) is the only tax that respects individual rights

>>36976634
I oppose fascism.
But unlike you, I understand what fascism actually is.

>>36976744
Sales tax is far from OK. Trade creates wealth, and sales tax is an unjustified intrusion into people's ability to trade.

The only tax system that makes sense is a singular flat tax. If a tax code is over a paragraph long it's theft.

>>36976899
Your confusing socialism with corporatism

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> ctrl + f "sociali"
10 results
> ctrl + f "fasc"
> 7 results

>>36976963
You know, there is a benefit to sales tax, since illegals working under the table would still bear some of the tax. I don't see what's so wrong with it

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>>36974806
The best ideology is unironically Stirnerite Egoism.

All societies are corrupt caricatures of humanity's ancestral environment. You can either accept this and contribute, or you can reject it with Egoism.

It is the final red pill, and one step of many to achieve Gnosis.

>>36976986

No, virtually all modern day socialists are very pro-immigration

>>36977024
You talked about taking advantage of the system and in socialism you cant do that because their is no welfare.

In socialism the system takes advantage of you

Contemporary ultra-left, specifically communization.

https://edensauvage.wordpress.com/2016/07/25/reading-list-for-aspiring-ultra-lefts/

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>>36975385
this gjkjkhljkhl

>>36975385
Im a social democrat in public

>read about socialism
>think that in could probably work quite well, in an ethnically homogeneous, high trust society
>look at the socialist parties in my country
>hurr durr fag and trannies
>hurr durr refugees
>hurr durr feminism
>hurr durr diversity

>have ideology that works we under specific conditions
>also support policy that destroys those conditions

Why?

>>36977248
I don't think your thinking of socialism anon. It sounds like your tinkling of capitalism with a social safety net.

>>36977306
Yeah many people think welfare equals socialism

>>36977143
Explain to me how taxation isn't theft you cherry-picking faggot

>>36977436
Taxing cigarettes and using the tax money to subsidize farmers crops is theft to you? Taxing serves the valuable purpose of trying to discourage people from being fuckos

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>>36977560
>>Taxing cigarettes and using the tax money to subsidize farmers crops is theft to you?


>he thinks an appeal to emotion is an argument

>>36977560
>spend hours laboring for money
>state comes by and takes your money regardless of whether you consent
Taxation is theft. Period.

>>36977577
Stirner is shit.

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>>36977610
Still not an argument, kiddo.

>>36977604
So you can recognize the big bad spooky state as being wrong when they take your money, but you can't see that workers are being deprived of the full value of what they produce.

Lolbertarian logic right there, you're a fucking joke

>>36977577
>not an appeal to emotions
>cigarette fags have higher chance of lung cancer
>massive strain in our healthcare system to pay for it
>have to pay for them through my taxes
>if only they were taxed, I wouldn't have to be taxed
So there you faggot, smoking cigarettes is theft. The only way to stop it from being theft is to make them pay for cancering themself

>>36977647
Neither are Stirner memes you fucking edgelord

>>36977560
Anything besides the land value tax is theft because you are taking money you didnt produce with your own labor

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>>36977654
>boss purchases property
>hires workers to use this property to produce goods
>"I'll pay you $X if you do this job"
>workers are able to walk away from job if they're unsatisfied
It's completely consensual; workers don't work for others on an involuntary basis. Stop being retarded

>>36977669
>be taxed to pay for healthcare
>not only do you get your money taken from you by force, but now others in society are a burden to you
>obviously the problem is with the people of society, not that I'm being forced to pay for the healthcare of others!

You suffer from political stockholm syndrome.

>>36977673
Do you plan on making any arguments, property?

>>36977654
>complains when workers are deprived of the full value of what they produce
>supports taxation
fuck off

>>36977733
>>36977604
>>36977577
The money isn't yours.
You owe the state money because the state provides laws. protections, a market in which you do business in, enforces contract rights etc.

It's not theft, if you don't want to pay taxes, you can get out.

>>36977733
No its not. When someone does something like pollute, and other people around them are affected by it, taxing the polluters and giving the money to the people hurt by it isn't theft. In fact, if they didn't tax it would be theft, since the polluter is generating a cost on other people that the polluter isn't paying for

>>36977797
Hurrrrrr it's consensual!!!!! No it isn't.

>>36977836
>The money isn't yours.
>the money you earn isn't yours
wew lad

>>36977836
>t. bootlicker

osfgo

If it's the best that's just a testament to how bad the rest of them are.

>>36977862
Not an argument. I told you why it is, and you didn't refute what I said

>>36977869
>>36977863
Let's put it another way since you're so fucking autistic to read more than the first line.

The money is yours, but you have an obligation to pay your debt to the state.

>>36977891
I don't argue with libertarians. They are beyond hope.

>>36977836
I didnt ask the state to provide me a service so i shouldnt be forced to pay them.Also im not against all taxes , im a geo minarchist so i support the LVT

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>>36977906
>"here are services and shit you didn't ask for, slave! Now pay up, or we'll throw you into prison"
why are statists such cucks?

>>36977941
You can leave faggot. I suggest you do so, since your likely not contributing anything to your country

>>36977941
You're welcome to leave if you don't want to pay.

But you and I both know you're too well off here under the umbrella of the State, and so you won't leave, but will sit here bitching and shitposting because it makes you feel like you're making a difference.

>>36977910
>can't take the time to post why I'm wrong
so this... is the power.... of communists

>>36977862
Because your options are "work or die".

Until people are given a basic means to live, any contract regarding income and work that go towards living conditions are inherently involuntary.

>>36977844
As a minarcho georgist i do believe in taxing polluters, i forgot to mention that.
Polluting does violate the NAP after all

>>36977910
One nice argument, friend! I can clearly see that your ideals are superior, and am now on your side!

>>36977969
>>36977975
>own property in a country
>socialist government becomes established
>"pay up or just leave your property. Suffer the consequences if you choose to resist"
faggots

>>36978032
Taxes have been a part of our society since this country was founded, ever read this thing called the Constitution?

Fucking luddite.

>>36978032
>unironically wants to benefit from society without contributing anything to it
And you wonder why Chad sleeps with your lack of gf

>>36978058
>>36978058
How is the US relevant to this discussion? I don't even live there

>>36977577
Funny that you mention appeal to emotion, when using one yourself. The whole "Taxation is theft" tirade is nothing more than an attempt to give an emotionally charged, negative connotation to a widely accepted practice, namely taxation. You're no different from the "Abortion is murder" kind of people.

And no, taxation isn't theft. Theft is literally defined as an illegal act, taxation isn't illegal, therefore taxation isn't theft.

>>36978019
As a macrocommie taoist lutherian, you are a fucking cuck

>>36978088
Oh, then why are we debating you then. Your probably not smart or educated enough to understand economics if your not from the US

>>36978114
Pollution violates the NAP.Your the cuck if you allow people to contaminate

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>>36978150
This is the sheer intelligence of American libertarians, everybody

>>36978150
Yore*

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>>36978150
>implying the US has the smartest population in the entire world

>>36978263
Yuor're*

Anti capitalist ethno-nationalism

>>36978297
>US GDP $17 trillion
>no one else even comes close
>everyone uses American produced smart phones
>meanwhile, the only thing valuable to come out of Europe have been toilets

>>36978099
>Theft is literally defined as an illegal act, taxation isn't illegal, therefore taxation isn't theft.
>actions are only wrong if the government tells me they are
Surely, you meme.

>>36978326
I'm in Canada, faggot. Your country might have smart people but a large portion of its population are retards. There's a reason the "americans are stupid" meme exists internationally

>>36978338
That's how laws work in most modern countries, yes.

>>36978338
We are not talking about right or wrong here, but legality. A legal act cannot, by definition, be theft.

Once you accept your usage of the word "theft" is wrong, you will realize you have no argument in the first place.

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>>36974954
Ive had my arguing with idiots quota for the day.

>>36976899
This. Especially because the capitalist want to bring in more third world labor to undercut the domestic workers so they can pay peanuts and keep workers insecure. Supporting third world immigration is anti socialist if anything.

>>36978368
Doesn't matter though, since we keep the dumb people poor, and give the rich people all the resources they need to get even richer. Europe and Cuckada take resources from the best and brightest, and redistribute it to the retards. Hence why your best people flee to America and make it even richer. Really shows how dumb your government and people must be

>>36978326
>meanwhile, the only thing valuable to come out of Europe have been toilets
Jesus Christ you're retarded

>>36978403
>libertarians
>calling others idiots
Surely you jest

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I support a matriarchal oligarchy in which my beta orbiters pay for my every need and worship me

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Why the anarcho-feminism ball isn't a thing yet?

>>36978439
Hey how's Greece? Still shitting on the entire continent's currency?

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>Government: "Hey we could really use some money to give you these essential services that everyone agreed that we should all pay for"
>NO THAT"S FASCISM!!!1!!
>Corporation: "Hey we could really use some money to give you these essential services that everyone agreed that we should pay for"
>Okay!

What if we renamed the Federal Highway Administration as the Federal Highway Corporation? Everyone would be happy then, right?

>>36978650
Your analogues are lost on retards I'm afraid

>>36978650
would FHC be able to fucking shoot me if I didn't pay up

>>36978650
So long as the money is going to porky instead of the government wageslaves are content with their scraps.

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Economic: capitalism
Religious/moral: fundamentalist Christian
Social: traditionalism
Political: a small constitutional republican government with a strong stress on individual rights
Legal system: property crime-fines, jail. Intentional violent crime- death penalty

No one gets hurt until they try to hurt someone else or break the law. Say whatever you want.

Basically the u.s. 100 years ago.

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Classical liberalism.

>>36978400
When was this about legality? And are you just saying that "theft" and "stealing" aren't synonyms?

>>36979073
"Stealing" is defined by its illegality as well.

And this discussion is about whether taxes are theft or not. Given that theft is by definition an illegal act, the legality of taxation belongs in this discussion.

>>36974806
Modern American Conservatism you amoral degenerate

>>36978931
At least they weren't hypocrites. Modern day libertarians/neo-liberals believe in capitalism but only if they don't have to compete in the global free market ever and only if agribusiness, banks, and technology firms remain heavily subsidized and dependent on publicly funded research.

While I believe some taxes are necessary, and unfortunately a government is needed to some extent, I also think that taxes should be cut back. Alot of tax money is being wasted which is bullshit. For example, my town recently got a 1% increase in income tax for no fucking reason. Nothing here has changed since then, it's being wasted.

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Social liberalism combined with civil libertarianism and georgism.

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>>36979179
A dog can steal from another, with or without law. Legalities are less real than morals, but those aren't quite real either. Taxation is theft.
I feel like all these arguments end with is
>just go somewhere else if you don't like it
And they're right. You could always just leave, but unless you live on a little jagged rock in the ocean, or in a cave, escaping the almighty grasp of government entities is impossible.