What is your political ideology? Feel free to write out any ideology

>>36826948
Anarcho-capitalism, its the only way things will ever be good

>>36826985
Political compass?

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>>36826948

I really think I should retake mine it's been a while before this I was really green and left but that was years ago. SJWs have made me hate the world more

Radical Left-Libertarian here

>>36826985
sex slaves and stuff r cool amirite

>>36827145
sjws are our friend man, gotta learn to embrace

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I'm a pissed off neoliberal. Don't need to take a test online to tell me that

>>36827180
10/10 SJW is friend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTyUSEMOjkM

>>36826985
I thought you'd been memed into oblivion by now.

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>>36826948
tfw too smart to even have a political ideology.

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>>36826948
I consider myself a Marxist-Leninist.

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>>36826948
The single rudest thing someone can do here in the UK is ask what my political beliefs are, yet every fucking normie seems to feel entitled to know

Literally walking around asking to make enemies, why would anybody want that? Keep your beliefs to yourself, nothing worse than some cunt who thinks they know what's best for you to think.

>>36827316
So don't respond genius

>>36827330
I tell them I don't want to and they proceed to pry, like I said, they believe they're entitled to this information.

Apparently I'm the rude one for not engaging in poor conversation.

>>36827371
I mean don't respond to this thread

>>36827309
>>36827180
Yay I have friends

>>36826985
But who will make the roads?

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current one. main inspirations are John Lock, Thomas Hobbes, Milton Friedman, and Maximilien Robespierre

>>36827421
You know that Maximilien Robespierre was a socalist right?

>>36827371
Rather stop being such a pussy and just tell them, or if you're so afraid of hurting someone's opinions, just give them a super bland, generic position that has absolutely nothing controversial. Better yet say something really basic and vague that any lazy dullard would say like
>I'm just a pragmatist. Whatever works works, y'know?

>>36827467
>Hey anon, you support Hillary too right?
>Y-You too

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>>36827180
>Radical Left-Libertarian here
kys antifa faggot
t. demsoc

>>36827388
I'm here to tell you to stop attributing so much of your personality and your identity to the politics you believe in, makes you a boring and annoying retard no matter which part of the spectrum you're on

Stop, vote and move on.

>>36826948
Egoistic autocrat

>>36827455
>You know that Maximilien Robespierre was a socalist right?
He was a bourgeois man mass slaughtering people and creating cults. Not a proper socialist.

>>36827487
that isn't a nice thing to say
go ki- no wait dont do anything you centrist fuck

oh look you just split the party

I'm for sure a leftist, wouldn't consider my self completely libertarian though because there needs to be a line drawn between monopolies and crony capitalism as opposed to a free market.

Also I never understood modern day fascination of marxism, if everyone receives the same amount of respect, gratitude, and monetary pay for what they do it destroys motivation to do anything better.

>>36827493
Okay, so follow your own advice and MOVE ON. If you don't like political discourse, just move on.

>>36827455
Uh... The Jacobins were socialists? The ones that wanted liberty?

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>>36827487
>demsoc
Ah yes, I remember the last time socialism was just voted in.

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>>36827518
Forgot attach

>>36827518
Here's why marxism is appealing to people today:

If you were a 20-year old person in Cuba, China or Soviet, you'd have an education and a job.

If you are a 20-year old person in America, you probably don't have that

>>36827518
Try a political compass

>>36827536
>facepalms into 5th dimension

>>36827518
>Also I never understood modern day fascination of marxism, if everyone receives the same amount of respect, gratitude, and monetary pay for what they do it destroys motivation to do anything better.
Things such as self-achievement, learning something new, and doing what you love are far better motivators. I mean fuck, just look at all the NEETs on this site who are miserable with the wagecuck life.

Marxism also is the answer to the question of class struggles and the unsustainability of market economics.

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I don't even know anymore. I fluctuate all over that green rectangle, sometimes right in the middle, sometimes dead centre between authoritarian and libertarian. I think the more I spend on this site with it's hatefilled, angry views, the further left I drift desu.

>>36827578
sorry i only have high-school-built intellect on the jacobins. ill look it up rn.

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> (((having political opinions)))

Good to know there's at least someone else who's expressed the above.

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everyone else is wrong

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>>36827713
The class cuck has been spotted.

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>>36827301
When you don't follow politics but want to seem insightful about shit

>>36827713
>he fell for the profit incentive meme

>>36827713
>>36827421
>>36827219

But how can I be rich If I don't let the rich trot over me?

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I tend to float around in the blue.
Surprised this is the only one on the authoritarian side so far, but I suppose it's due to the rise in normies and reddit-tier kids.

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I've been reading up on communism

>>36827742

When you get deeply invested in the most trivial issues but want to seem impartial.

>>36827730
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>>36827804
piss off commies

>>36827309
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>>36827626
I had no idea /r9k/ was so left leaning. You'd never know it from all the misogynist, racist, /pol/ spillover that goes on here.

>>36827833
When you don't get invested in anything but lamenting about people who do

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Stalin did nothing wrong, also I'm glad to see all these leftist political compasses

>>36827833
When the future of the human race and society is a trivial issue

>>36827487
Why are some people so afraid of antifa?

They're not a credible threat to the internal security of the country. Mostly the only thing resulting from their actions is a little damaged property and some nazi douchebag with a bloodied nose.

I'm not antifa myself because i'm too good to get my hands dirty. But I mean. Come on, get over it

>>36827858
>Stalin did nothing wrong, also I'm glad to see all these leftist political compasses

we know you are. commie.

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>>36827841
Awwww, are you angry about us pointing out how cucked you are by your pay masters? So cute!

>>36827846
4chan is much closer to the center than you'd expect. Tons of the frog-posting nazis are just being ironic

>>36827822
Same, it's crazy how much words like socialism have been stripped of their meaning.

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this is now a hostile takeover

>>36827846
left-leaning social ideology is mostly based on empathy, and it's hard not to be empathetic when you're literally human trash, I can see why all the little whiny bitches on this board are leftists.

>>36827895
Wow, commie!
My watch says it's 2017, not 1956

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>>36827895
>commie
no shit retard lol

>>36827865
It's always important to take your opponent's threats seriously, no matter how much you believe they are just LARPing. Underestimating them is the quickest way to get your shit pushed in. I don't think anyone is particularly scared of Antifa, we just realize how quickly people with such radical ideas can turn violent.

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Left economically. Workers should own the means of production and all that. Fuck nigs and spics though. Ethnic homogeneity should be valued.

>>36827935
I think you forgot that everyone from /pol/ are middle aged dusty ass old men.

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>>36827935
As long as class society persists, Communism will be relevant. That's the way it is. Join or keep being a wagie to your pay masters while they ruin this planet.

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>>36827937
>>36827923
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>>36827538
>>36827479
>>36827309

Commie takeover please

>>36827897
no i just want you to go back to /r/eddit

>>36827804
Look man capitalism has been demonstrably good for global society. Now we enter the phase where we reign it in, spread the wealth around a bit and inject a healthy dose of compassion into the system. I'm into things like socialized healthcare. But if we can cover the basics while continuing to reap the unprecedented growth benefits of capitalism then why the fuck would we not??

For some shitty idea (even in theory) from some ugly freeloader who's been dead for centuries?

>>36827967
Do you have links to all these? I've done the 8Values one and the American election one, and the political compass, but where did you get the rest?

>>36827982
>20$ wage american factory job

HAHAHAHHA WHO MADE THIS ROFL

fuckin moron

>>36828016
>>36827982
Yeah I don't think there's ever been a point in American history that an assembly job paid 20$/hour. And if there was, it for sure was not the median wage.

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>>36828003
here we go comrades

>>36828005
You are angry. How cute.

>>36828012
Capitalism has been shown to be eating up our planet's resources, wealth only continues to go to the top, and the peoples of Earth just being exploited.

The "capitalism with a human face" meme needs to stop, the Social Democrats need to stop.

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>>36828003
Suppressing the counterrevolution you mean?

>r9k beta pale-skinned nerds get assigned marx in political lit in school

>omg wtf i can be a lazy asshole and still get payed the same amount as someone who puts in more effort then me?

>wtf i love marxism now

>>36828003
I feel like there's always been a niche of communist threads on this board, i mean fuck the board even uses the term wage slave

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>>36828016
>taking a meme this seriously
>missing the point this fucking badly
>this retarded

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>>36827858
Nice, comrade

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ravioli Ravioli Free me from class strugglioli

>>36827180
Slavery is a violation of the NAP. It is not endorsed by ancaps or right-wing libertarians.

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suppose overall I am a centrist but I do hold a few radical ideas so go figure

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>>36828080
The lazy ones favor the capitalist system because they can make profit exploiting their workers while doing nothing themselves!

Unless it's fellow workers supporting capitalism, buying into the meme that they one day too shall be porky (a day that will never arrive).

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memes of production and all that jazz

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>>36827180
>sex slaves and stuff r cool amirite
Slavery itself is involuntary. Thus is has no place in an anarcho-capitalist society.
>sjws are our friend man, gotta learn to embrace
Embrace subversion, demoralization, and degeneracy?
>Radical Left-Libertarian here
So you're not only completely economically illiterate, but also absolutely retarded?

Nice. If I were allowed to kill every single anarcho-syndicalist or anarcho-communist or whatever the fuck, I'd do it. You people are a threat to our safety and our liberty. Fucking scum, all of you

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When you feel healthy

>>36828061
>capitalism is a drain on nature, under communism people won't consume resources like food, clean water, wood for houses, and fuel for cars
sounds about right

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>>36826948
Centrist Constitutionalism.

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>>36828141
>If I were allowed to kill every single anarcho-syndicalist or anarcho-communist or whatever the fuck, I'd do it

I don't even have to argue with you, you just made your point

>>36827967
>somehow siding with everyone on foreign policy

How does that work?

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>>36828148
No. Under Communism the economy would be left up to the anarchy of the market system. There will be no need to keep using fossil fuels or mass producing cheap shit goods that people play with for five minutes before breaking it or forgetting about it.

A market system favors profit above all else, including human well-being and sustainability.

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>>36828141
>>36828125

No my friend, It's not slavery.
It's just a legally binding contract forced upon you by a secret police!

>>36828131
>be a architect
>be payed exactly the same as every other architect
>shit out building blueprint and spend rest of day fapping
>other architect who is passionate about his work produces a fine piece of structural art
>you both get payed the same

and tell me again why either architect should be motivated to do anything above and beyond then what the state tells them to do?

>>36828061
>The "capitalism with a human face" meme needs to stop, the Social Democrats need to stop

To borrow a phrase (from a bunch of losers) it's never been properly implemented

>>36828194
Dammit. I meant to say the economy wouldn't* be left to the market system.

>>36828131
>give me your money: the ideology

>>36828125
I meant of course - subjects wherein under their patriarchal warlord's god given right has been sold to service the needs of men. Sex property.

>>36828177
>I don't even have to argue with you, you just made your point
Of course I made my point. What are you trying to imply?

>>36828213
>>36828080
>everybody will get the exact same amount meme

>>36828213
Because that's what they want to do with their lives? There's people who want the simple life as a janitor all the way to people who want to be doctors and everything in between. You can chose want you want to be, and be free of the exploitation of porky.

>>36828194
We have no problem with each scenario in your pic as long as each is voluntary

>>36828218
no matter how you want capitalism to brand itself - it demands exponential growth. it will eventually without fail kill us all.

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Wavering between natsoc and fascism.
Can sympathize with commies on their desire to end capitalism, even if it is for the wrong reasons. Natsoc is the closest to the third position Im looking for economically.

Also all jew lovers should be executed regardless of ideology

>>36828246
That you're batshit fucking insane and no one takes you seriously.

>>36828194
yes that is exactly why it took a year of being on a waitlist to get a shit heap car and bananas were a rare delicacy in soviet russia

communism isnt so economically feasible when half of your potential work force sucks up more money and resources than they produce

>>36828275
because thats what they want to do with their lives

implying every job employment is going to be someones passion

implying anyone has the passion to be a janitor

implying everyone wouldn't just chose to be a lawyer or doctor, and since there's no supply and demand in the marxist system theres no way to levy more pay to jobs in high demand

implying that people are going to be motivated to produce fine work in a marxist system

implying your not retarded

implying your not a fat beta nerd

>>36828218
Social Democracy only lessens the suffering of the capitalist market system. It doesn't solve the innate issues of capitalism. Also it has been implmented before, sadly where it has been it has been crushed quickly. Some examples are:

Bavarian Soviet Republic
Hungarian Soviet Republic
Paris Commune
Alsace Soviet Republic
There's a few more I'm forgetting right now

national socialist

thought leaning on the freedom side

>>36828213
Yeah honestly communism is just a shitty idea. If i'm smarter, a harder worker, more of a visionary hell yea I should be able to parlay that into better business, greater wealth (WITHIN REASON ffs it's not hard), more influence over the direction of architecture etc. That doesn't make me bad it's just makes me human.

Communism seems dehumanizing. And above all else, a boring existence artificially imposed by some government dudes

>>36828335
If no one wants to be a janitor, then simply the workers of whatever establishment will come together and decide upon a system. Perhaps certain people will clean on certain days of the week?

Humans are pretty cooperative and reasonable, y'know.

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To >>36826822
to besiege sexism
I have you retards reonsidering

>r9k is full of antifa and commies
This is really making me think

>>36828431
literally the same as /mu/ and /lit/

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>>36828324
Actually under the Soviet system it was the fastest growing economy in the world, even during the times of the great depression! It was only faster the west started to really take the USSR as a threat and began to embargo and actively sabotage it that things started to fall apart.

>bananas were a rare delicacy in soviet russia
Gee, I sure wonder who was the only fucking pro-soviet state that produced bananas.

>>36828367
Under the status quo, great minds are pushed away by debt and the burden of over work in jobs they might not want. Under Communism, you can peruse whatever job you desire, free of being forced to spend 40 hours each week producing surplus wealth so your higher ups can take it.

>>36828431
>really getting mad about different opinions on a website
lel

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>>36828450
REALLY making me think

>>36828297
There's nothing morally wrong with killing those so-called libertarians, my friend. Rights exist only between others and they must be reciprocated. If self-ownership is adopted as a fundamental right, the right to exercise non-aggressive will and own private property acquired non-aggressively follows; you "libertarian" leftycunts with your views contradict these rights. Therefore right do not apply to you

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What does this mean? What do I call myself?

>>36828480
you rationalize gulag better than any tankie

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>>36826948
>all these fucking leftists

>>36828482
you're left leaning, welcome to the club

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The political compass makes me look like a fairly moderate person, this is probably more accurate.

>>36828504
Not at all. I'm not rationalizing anything leftist in nature

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>>36826948
Left-communist.

>>36828524
my man

srkgbo

>>36826948
liberitarianism with socialized healthcare but this would probably require gassing the jews to implement

>>36828528
But I wanna go further left, where should I start? (Any help, commiebros?)

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>>36828535
Political compass for reference

I'm probably more of a liberal reformist than anything else really. I just want to snip the Marxist politics out of the liberal sphere for good. I think alot of the problems we're seeing in America can be fixed over the long term with some moderate measures. The system isn't completely broke but goddamn is it SHITTY, but that's at the fault of incompetent politicians that have been ignoring the problems for all these decades.

I don't want to smash the state, abolish private ownership, privatize everything or anything radical like that. I just want people to get a decent education and upbringing in life and all try to get along with each other at least.

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>>36826948
Who /Ghandi/ here?

This wasn't original post

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Post compass memes

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I dont like ideologies, fanatism, irrationality.

Other than that I am open for pretty much anything that has any merit.

Professional fence sitter.

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>>36828576
First understand Marxism. Understand class struggle, have a basic understanding on Dialectical Materialism and Historical Materialism. Understand Scientific Socialism.

After that, start reading up on works by people like the Bolsheviks. Lenin's State and Revolution is a wonderful and notable example. Also stuff from Rosa Luxemburg too.

>>36828576
it's time to read up, laddie. Read Das Kapital or just search up reading lists to find starter material

>>36828466
>Voluntarily enter an agreement with an employer to perform a task to receive compensation
>"Fucking cucked capitalists, how does it feel being told how to live your life and build wealth for your boss?"

>Communism: an authoritarian economic idea that allows the government to have full economic control over the people
>"It's perfect :')"

>>36828277
A strong opinion isn't the same as a fact. Fact is with the right protections in place, some of them fairly radical, capitalism can be a fun and safe toy to play with
>>36828338
The "innate problems of capitalism" are called Human Nature. Every neoliberal is simply an individual who has been exposed to and come to grips with fundamental human nature. We can only hope to lessen it. Communists think we can fully suppress it. Not only can't we, we won't ever really want to

There's a type of man-animal out there, these capitalists called super predators who are the worst of human nature. Probably as much as any communist I want these animals heads on a pike but I also understand that there's a bit of that animal born into every person. If we don't indulge it within reason we will be continue to be a miserable species. Happiness will come with the first REAL compromise

>>36828649
Communism is a stateless system in which the workers own the means of production you dumb shit.

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Fascist

Oregegano

>>36828595
> I just want people to get a decent education and upbringing in life and all try to get along with each other at least

Have fun trying to achieve that in an ever self-consuming capitalist society

>>36828691
You're closer to national socialism than fascism

>>36828662
Competition is the law of the jungle. Cooperation is the law of society.

>>36828617
>I dont like ideologies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk8ibrfXvpQ

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>>36828662
"Human nature" is a spook that means different things to different people. In practice there is no innate human nature.

However, even ignoring this, if there is human nature, you know what it is? Cooperation. Us humans have survived for hundreds of thousands of years in our respective tribes, cooperating with each other and not really having class distinctions or private property.

Engels famously called this "primitive communism".

Us humans evolved cooperating with each other, not competing. If we were like what you suggest, we would have died out a long time ago.

If you were correct, it also wouldn't explain the existence of charity, volunteer work, and the fact that humans naturally gravitate towards natural cooperation rather than retarded competition.

>>36828662
>capitalism can be a fun and safe toy to play with
Until growth seeps into state institutions (e.g see capitalists in government right now) - and it will eventually wither away any sorts of right that will impede on growth. (see any shady trade deal being developed, third-world exploitation)

Fun fantasy world

>>36828669
kek you really think there is no form of government in communism? when they say the means of production is owned by the people, "people" means government dumbass.

by definition, a group of people coming together to decide on something is a government, and those people would be your leaders (lets face it, some college kid that spends all day on the internet will likely be on the receiving end of the AK47) and those leaders arent any less susceptible to corruption than the leaders in any other government/economic system

>>36828669

You mean Anarcho-communism right? Because with regular communism you relinquish all ownership of property to the state, which includes the means of production.

>>36828713
Why do people refer to Hitler as a fascist if he self described as a national socialist?

>>36828776
sounds like you're describing Marxist-Leninism bud

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Is it okay to lean left now?

>>36827251
>10/10 SJW is friend
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTyUSEMOjkM

Good post. Thank you for sharing that vid

The SJW which is discussed by people on the right doesn't exist, there are no people actually like that, or very very few.

There are problems in the world, and waiting around doesn't fix them.

>>36828776
A state and a government are different things.

>>36828793
Not quite. You relinquish private property to the Commune.

What is important to note is that private property is different from personal property. Personal property are things like your home, computer and yes, your toothbrush (which is where the leftist toothbrush meme you might have seen comes from). Private property specifically refers to the means of production (factories, railroads, stores, etc.)

Private property shall be expropriated by the capitalist class and collectively owned and operated for the betterment of all, not the rich.

>>36828776
>>36828793
Its goes like this. Capitalism -> Socialism (State with the proletariat as the ruling class nationalizes all property and suppresses bourgeois) -> Communism (Function of the state becomes indistinguishable from that of society itself and because without classes the state serves no purpose the state withers away leaving a stateless classless society)

>>36828817
>DEMOCRATIC people's republic of North Korea
>national SOCIALIST
>NOT a pedo said the ancap

its fun to self-describe yourself as many things
I am self-described a master of kung-fu - it does not mean that I am

>>36828831
Yes because the American government is right. Once it becomes left again we'll need to be conservative again.

>>36828830
And it sounds like you're a little autistic, bud.

>>36828856
Maybe by definition, but no by practice. Just one of the many reasons your fantasy system has never worked and will never work until fucking robots can do 99.99% of all jobs.

>>36828737
I wont argue that I am without an ideology or without values, because I have them as much as the next man, I guess I just juggle so many opposing ideas that it's difficult to narrow anything down to a core.

I guess most of us struggle with that.

I dont know, I am not an intellectual.

>>36828888
woahh i just got roasted hard

>>36828876
So what is fascism to you and why isn't Hitler it? Who IS fascist? Mussolini?

>>36828888
Ah, the counterculture has shifted. When will /pol/ be flooded with lefties?

>>36828767
>>36828732

Cooperation and competition are not mutually exclusive. Our species thrives because we have an innate knack for both. We cooperate. And we compete. We drive other species literally out of existence. We are APEX PREDATORS. Humans are predators. Doesn't mean we can't cooperate.

But it does mean that communisms "one for all" thing is not gonna work. It's not going to sufficiently indulge our knack for competition.

That's why I mentioned C O M P R O M I S E. Neoliberals understand we're gonna have to compromise between the cooperative and competitive parts of ourselves. Communists seem to think we will just ignore the idea of competition. To that all I say is L O L

>>36828926
Actually it has worked a lot of times! However, strangely enough, the neighboring capitalist countries get scared and crush it quickly each time.

>>36828936
Hitler is fascist, Mussolini is fascist. Authoritarian Nationalists. Just google mayne.

>>36828944
>>36828887
Meant for him
oregano

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Fucking commies
>Autistic Screeching

>>36828951
Name one fully communist successful society

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>>36828950
There isn't even competition under capitalism. Everything is dominated by mass multi-national corporations. And the market system is complete competition, a drive to the bottom for who can scrub up the most meaningless profit by exploiting their workers and resources the most.

In reality, people act as greedy and self-interested as they do because your shitty neoliberal system forces people to think like that to survive.

>>36828887
The American government may be right but going left isn't a good solution. Abolition of the welfare state and an end to government intervention in the market need to be implemented

>>36828817
Fascism and socialism are not mutually exclusive. Fascism is more a system of government. Socialism is more a system of economic exchanges.

And Hitler wasn't socialist any more than the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a Democracy

>>36829013
The Paris Commune
The Hungarian Soviet Republic
The Bavarian Soviet Republic

There's also Rojava today, which is coming along quite nicely (already 75% of all economic centers there are owned and operated by the working class).

Also, while the USSR was not communist, it still achieved some great things. In just 30 (!) years it went from a peasant backwater country stuck in civil war to a nuclear, industrial superpower.

>>36829015
Yeah always amazes me that the liberal solution to too much government is more government

>economics is totally separate from authoritarianism/libertarianism

I don't get it. That doesn't make sense.

>>36829013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIddCEBCKHQ

>>36829015
>There isn't even competition under capitalism. Everything is dominated by mass multi-national corporations
You're confusing cronyism and capitalism. These multi-national corporations have so much power and exist because of government intervention in the market, which defies the notion of pure capitalism aka free-market capitalism. Stop thinking its always capitalism vs socialism, because its not. There are systems that are more socialist than others, and systems that are more capitalist than others. The only true socialist system is a system in which all means of production are owned by the workers and the only true capitalist system is a system in which the means of production are privately owned and there is no state intervention in the market

>>36829058
>Paris Commune
Lasted literally 2 months
>Hungarian Soviet Republic
Lasted literally 5 months
>Bavarian Soviet Republic
Lasted literally a month

Come on... Really?

>>36829144
Goal post moved.

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>>36829138
That's a fair point until you realize we did have countries that had practiced completely free capitalism in the 1800's and early 1900's. Guess what, it was even worse and more exploitative for the workers. Governments HAD to step in and intervene and create welfare and stuff to stop worker uprisings.

>>36829144
You moved the goal post. Also, all of those things were coming along nicely until they got violently crushed by invading capitalist countries.

Oh wait, I thought capitalism was completely voluntary.

>>36829015

Well corporatism is a bane on society. I think everyone can agree on that. If Mcdonalds fail, or google just can't make a profit anymore. Instead of bailing them out we should just let them fail. That's all you need to do. Problem is Neocons and Neoliberals that bail out the massive corporations in the first place when they fuck up. Creating this idea that WE rely on them. Because really don't. We don't need shit like communism or anything like that. We just let those companies either adapt or die by their own accord. And if they die, then no biggie, new businesses will grow from their place.

>>36829166
No, I'm just saying that the timespan is literally too short to feel the effect of almost anything

A "successful" typically lasts a little longer than a few months. This is like telling people you have a ferrari in your garage but its actually just a hot wheels toy

>>36829015
>There isn't even competition under capitalism. Everything is dominated by mass multi-national corporations.

Right and no neoliberal ever said capitalism was perfect. . In that case we'd just be librarians or some such bullshit. Neoliberalism has had a slow burn and JUST LIKE COMMUNISM it has OFTEN been ascribed to people who are NOT neoliberal. As flawed as it is as a shorthand, I probably don't even need it to label my beliefs. I don't really need any labels. I need a system of economics with a growth incentive, with enough fluidity and conscience for plain utilitarianism. We don't have that now and we sure as hell don't have neoliberalism now

>In reality, people act as greedy and self-interested as they do because your shitty neoliberal system forces people to think like that to survive.

In reality, even as a young species enjoying our so called golden age of "primitive communism" we needlessly caused the extinction of numerous species including other primates.

Face it. Humans are shit

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I can't believe there are people here who are unironically communist. Why

>>36829224
I couldnt fucking starve to death if i tried during the timespan of some of those governments, so how can you measure anything like how well-fed they were, how stable the economy was?
Or how SUCCESSFUL it is like I asked

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>>36829228
If those companies failed, the crises caused would be so immense that the system would shatter apart instantly. kek

Your whole capitalist system relies so badly on the fragile system of bailouts.

However, you also have to understand that said bailouts won't stop. You know why? Because the current state is a bourgeois state. The current governments are liberal regimes that are bought out and represent the interests of the rich, ruling class. Every State throughout the ages has represented the class that wields it. In our current age, it's the bourgeoisie the wields it.

>>36829309
>If those companies failed, the crises caused would be so immense that the system would shatter apart instantly. kek
He was simply stating an example. This applies to any company. If those companies were failing it wouldn't matter if they failed completely.

>>36829286
They're what we have to go off of, and for what they did, they were extremely promising.

You know man, I would have love to let them keep going and see how long they would last in the long wrong, but some capital-driven countries were scared about the red banners and crushed them.

Not the socialists' fault that porky is war-hungry and doesn't want his workers to have power.

>>36827846
the left-right spectrum on this axis doesn't account for racial views, it only pertains to economic issues. Stormcucks still want their bennies so they're not considered right wing on this scale (but are considered far right wing on the standard left vs right political spectrum)

>>36829138
Not the guy you're responding to, but the problems under that capitalist system won't magically go away if you remove all government influence over the market. Marx's critique of capitalism assume a free market.

It's funny because two people with radically differing opinion can fall on the same spot on this scale.

>>36829364
uh huh communism is so great, thats why it gets BTFO by capitalism at every turn

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>>36829350
If those companies kept failing, then unemployment would rise while the best companies slowly eat up the competition, forming what we have today.

It's over. Capitalism is inherently monopolistic. It's profitable to form monopolies like that, and so capitalists will do. You can try to stop it with government intervention, but then you're letting the state intervene which ruins the idea of capitalism. And besides, the state is a state for porky. So it doesn't matter either way.

>tfw can't decide if I'm libertarian or authoritarian
>seen negative repercussions of people having a "do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody," attitude
>also see it as kind of futile to try to legislate things like morality

On economic issues, the best system is a predominately capitalist one with some regulations a socialist safety net. I'm not sure why anyone would disagree aside from being an idealogue.

>>36829444
because college kids are retarded

>>36829409
Military power is indepednent of economics you dumb shit.

Like, how the fuck is a single city (the Paris Commune) suppose to fight against two empires (Germany and the rest of France)? How is little Hungary suppose to survive both a civil war and a war with it's bigger enemy Romania? How are socialists in Finland suppose to win when they have the Germanys lining them up and killing then?

this test is retarded. just because you agree with the proposition "there is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment", that doesn't mean you want to regulate it through government. it just means you have an opinion about the culture. you're not more "authoritarian" just because you think some aspects of the culture are worrisome.

>>36829309

It wont be the end of the world if those companies failed. Will things be shitty? I'd imagine so but we are capable of rebuilding. Although we don't need EVERY multi-national company to fail. Just one, to set as an example to the others that they are NOT above the government. But I suppose you could call me a Paleo-liberal in that regard. I'd be libertarian but I don't believe in privatizing everything except for military.

Speaking of libertarians, what's with all the fake libertarians who are really just mainstream conservatives?

>>36829454
But I'm also talking about the people who want pure laissez faire capitalism and no workplace or environmental regulation

>>36829459
youre kidding right? how the fuck is an army paid for if economy and war arent related?

besides I was speaking more on the fact that succesful capitalist nations have been thriving for hundreds of years, while not a single long lasting communist society has succeeded. Hell, europe and the usa have gotten shittier recently and I would say that is directly influenced by the fact that more socialist policies are created year after year

>>36829472
The point is that if companies failed, others would cannibalize on it's corpse and slowly eat the competition.I mean, isn't there a statistic that like three in every five start up companies failure within their first year or whatever? Huge companies are making the money.

The people who really need the bailouts are banks fucking up, which is ironically due to market economics and hence capitalism.

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>I'm a paleoconservative

>>36829492
thats just 20 year olds on the opposite side of the spectrum

>>36829506
Ummm, capitalist countries have been thriving on the backs of the third world. And capitalism was shit at first, hell, capitalism failed horribly at first (the English revolution was the first true bourgeois revolt, which quickly stagnated and fell apart).

Capitalism is thriving (relatively speaking, of course) because it's the status quo. It's been established already.

>>36829521
What about Ron Paul, Thomas Sewell, Lew Rockwell, Gary Johnson, Austin Petersen, etc.?

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>>36828831
Congrats you get a free ticket for my helicopter ride

>>36829556
authoritarian faggot

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>>36826948
I'm a white nationalist but don't want to big a government

>>36829414
>If those companies kept failing, then unemployment would rise
If those companies were failing there would already be a lack of employment due to low profit gained by the corporation. Those companies would fail due to a lack of favor for those companies by consumers because of corporations that provide the same/similar goods/services in a more favorable way or because of a lack of demand. Society wouldn't suffer one bit
>while the best companies slowly eat up the competition, forming what we have today.
Wrong. Government intervention in the market via the beaurocracy and corporate welfare is what makes corporations so big. The government stamps out competition in favor for corporations would would in turn benefit the state.

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>>36829564
Die lefty scum

>>36829556
*teleports behind helicopter*
heh...catch me later..

>>36829590
I'm a center libertarian, fuck you authoritarian bootlicking scum

Do you really think authoritarian society is good for neckbeards like you who jack off to Hentai?

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>>36829573
>Wrong. Government intervention in the market via the beaurocracy and corporate welfare is what makes corporations so big. The government stamps out competition in favor for corporations would would in turn benefit the state.
>Ignores the fact that there's anti-trust laws

Holy fuck, you need to brush up on your history. Do you know what trust-busting was? What happened was there were a few huge companies that were owning everything so presidents such as Teddy Roosevelt came in and broke up such vast businesses through government intervention to help out the little guy.

Today there is anti-corporate legislation to stop monopolies from forming.

>>36829556
Sure thing, we can ride over in my black limo.

>>36829614
>libertarian
>not right-leaning
what's your definition of liberty?

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>>36829636
You know libertarian originally denoted leftist politics, right?

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>>36829614
It would have stooped us from getting to the retarded degeneracy were at now.
Pic related needs to happen again but to the entire West

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>all this leftypol

>>36829564
>calls grandpa giving free helicopter rides authoritarian
>stalin and mao dindu nuffin guys!
Pick one faggot.

>>36829508

Business isn't exactly an easy thing to do. Although Small business tend to suffer alot because of over regulation. I'm all for cutting down on some regulations for small business to give them a bit of breathing space to operate. And those monopolies, especially in the ISP sector can be chalked up to either government over regulation and big companies colluding with each other and not competing with each other, essentially marking their own territory. It's a rather complicated problem which will take a very long time to sort out and frankly I'm just not educated enough to have any concrete solutions. but I'm confident that we can still reform the system rather than just abolishing the concept of capitalism altogether. It's not like you can redistribute the wealth of the hyper-rich. Because all their wealth is hidden behind offshore bank accounts that are impossible to reach.

>>36829636

I believe in maximum or near maximum personal freedom, and as far as economics I believe in a capitalist society with some regulations (environmental regulations partly because air and water are commonly shared, workplace regulations, etc.) and a safety net

>>36829661
You're part of the retarded degeneracy

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Authoritarianism is the only way

>>36829653
Because libertarian used to denote a lack of hierarchies, yeah. That is leftist in nature, but right-leaning libertarians have a different definition of liberty compared to the definition of liberty leftists maintain

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>>36829701
kys you gaytheist and fagnostic

>>36829671
you stormcucks have way too much time on your hands

>>36829672
I hate Stalin and Mao too, I am not a fan of authoritarianism whether it be left wing or right wing

>>36829671
>one director = all of leftypol being compromised
that's the equivalent of that "who is this 4chan" meme

>>36829689
Reform won't work. We've tried reform since the New Deal, hell even further back then that. Nothing works and we're rapidly eating up our planet's resources at an alarming rate, not due to us humans alone, but because of market economics that doesn't care about the environment in the slightest.

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Originalleo Commenteo

>>36829718
Both left and right libertarians agree on personal freedoms. Where they disagree is economics.

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Side note, how is Atlus shrugged? Does it present a valid argument, or is it just peddling propaganda for the right?

>>36829755
It's very badly written, no joke

>>36829755
Ayn Rand would like disagree with mainstream conservatives on many things

She was an atheist and believed that racism and nationalism were dumb forms of collectivism

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>>36829752
Right libertarians maintain the notion that liberty means self-ownership, which I personally agree with. The right to liberty in a right-wing perspective implies the right to act according to your will insofar is not aggressive against another party, which in turn implies property rights. The essence of capitalism is contained within such notions: voluntary interaction and private property and non-aggression. By the right-wing definition of liberty, left-wing economics is inherently against the notion of liberty

>>36829842
>insofar is not aggressive against
insofar as*

>>36829842
But water and air are commonly shared, so a libertarian might say that businesses have a right to pollute the environment, but they're polluting things that they don't actually own in doing so, so I disagree with that

>>36829728
>you stormcucks have way too much time on your hands
You don't need to go to stormfront to make fun of a communist who shits his pants. Crazy notion that.

>>36829739
You're right, instead we can look at your tranny board owner for instance. Leftypol is an endless source of hilarity like most antifas.

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>>36829755
Its not greatly written (theres literally a 70 page speech inserted awkwardly in the middle)
but its worth reading just because its an important book

t. you would probably consider me a objectivist but i dont

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>>36829889
>so a libertarian might say that businesses have a right to pollute the environment, but they're polluting things that they don't actually own in doing so, so I disagree with that
Same here. A business would have no such right in a libertarian society since doing so would be aggressive against the property of other property owners: polluting the environment would harm the environment thereby harming the property of other property owners

>>36829934
>Its not greatly written (theres literally a 70 page speech inserted awkwardly in the middle)
The entire book exists just for that speech.

>>36829931
>instead we can look at your tranny board owner for instance
what'd this have to do with my last post lol, do you have down syndrome

>>36829945
okay so we're in agreement there.

A similar notion, I don't believe businesses are entitled to do literally whatever they want to their employees, because if they decided not to pay them or not make workplace hazards clear, it would be a form of fraud.

>>36829982
No, just reminding you that all of leftypol is "compromised".

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>>36829971
well i skipped it because i wanted to finish the story desu

I'm a libertarian but.sometomes the left makes me want to go full NatSoc sometimes. I reallt hate women, niggers, and spics.

>>36830019
>because there's a tranny board owner that means everyone on leftypol is an instant shill
your logic is hard to follow

>>36830051
I doubt you're even a libertarian

>>36830009
>I don't believe businesses are entitled to do literally whatever they want to their employees
Neither do I. A business being entitled to do literally whatever they want to their employees would violate the non-aggression principle, which can be derived from the axiom of self-ownership, as the set of "literally anything" contains the ability to impose aggression on employees, which is involuntary of course

>>36830009
>A similar notion, I don't believe businesses are entitled to do literally whatever they want to their employees, because if they decided not to pay them
Pretty even the most extreme ancap would be in agreement with that. The whole premise is that society is built around consensual exchanges, and trying to violate your agreement would in turn be aa violation of the NAP.

>>36830045
I'm almost inclined to suggest you read Anthem instead then. Not the greatest work, but much better than Atlas Shrugged.

>>36830095
I like hands off economics and personal fredoom. Just not for minorities.

>>36829474

95% of libertarians are fake. They are either reactionary fascists or marxists/socialists.

If someone calls themselves libertarian, there's a good chance they are more radical than most moderates

>>36830124
So you're not a libertarian

see

>>36830130

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>>36830051
just take a look at this thread on /pol/ >>124363663 and look up Hoppean libertarianism

So why don't all the socialists and marxists just make their own employee owned stores to get around Porky? If Porky is just leeching off of the system, shouldn't they be able to out perform him consistently?

>>36830124

How does that even make sense? Putting aside personal freedoms what do you want for a white and black business owner? The state to keep their hands off the white business owner while they regulate the black business owner out of the market? That's just retarded.

>>36830130
Agreed.

>>36830159
No, you do not speak for all libertarians

Hoppean libertarianism is not libertarianism, it is authoritarian paleoconservatism

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>>36830130
Actually libertarianism originally was used to describe socialists and anarchists.

>>36830157
Well either way, I will never lean left. Reactionary is probably more accurate to discribe my political compass. Along with my white supremacy views of course.
>>36830200
I just want.a country with no blacks or mexicans. Is that too much to ask?

>>36830159
The guys on the right are all fake libertarians. Lew Rockwell aligns himself with fucking Pat Buchanan.

>>36830227
>The guys on the right are all fake libertarians
explain

>>36830200
Yeah it's totally retarded. It's uselessly abstract /pol/ garbage.

>>36830211
Then I guess whether one calls himself a libertarian depends on their definition of libertarianism

>>36830225

>I just want.a country with no blacks or mexicans. Is that too much to ask?

Then you're just an ethno-nationalist in denial. I'm sure you'd be in good company with Richard Spencer.

>>36830267
Yeah. I think it depends more on what you consider liberty, or more importantly if you consider liberty to be sheer freedom or the freedom from negative things (such as exploitation and hierarchy).

>>36830245
The paleolibertarians/hoppean libertarians implicitly want the state to enforce their socially conservative views.

Didn't Murray Rothbard say something about wanting the police to rough up black neighborhoods? And Lew Rockwell stands behind guys like Pat Buchanan and Donald Trump who are obviously not libertarians.

>>36830287
Ok then. It's settled then.

>>36830302
>I think it depends more on what you consider liberty, or more importantly if you consider liberty to be sheer freedom or the freedom from negative things (such as exploitation and hierarchy).
Agreed. The right-wing definition of liberty is the right to self-ownership and the left-wing definition seems to be a total lack of class inequality

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>>36826985
my man

sldbgo

>>36830555
But with an-cap, there's a profit incentive to imprison people because of the existence of private prisons. It's a might makes right situation.

The existence of trials is now also gone.

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AnCap, but lately monarchism is starting to grow more and more on me.

>>36830660
>an-cap
>nowhere near bottom of the chart

>>36830674
>what are conservative values
Most AnCaps land around where I am, there is a difference between abolishing the government and supporting degenerate progressivism. I never claimed I wasn't a reactionary, I definetely am, that doesn't mean I can't be AnCap. Hoppe is really an eye opener.

>>36830707
You can't abolish the government without being towards the bottom. Your position solidly indicates that you believe in the state. Let me guess, Lew Rockwell is your hero

>>36830211
>le maoism
Truly the reddest of all the pills.

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>>36830727
Now I see what you mean, that's an issue of the test, not of my ideology. The compass mixes social views with libertarianism/authoritarianism. Pic related does a way better job of keeping social issues out of the y-axis.

>>36830759
there's another test with the same graph, but two seperate axis, one for pascifist vs neoconservative and the other for the culture war

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>>36830787
This one, desu desu originale?

>>36828535


so you're a cunt basically?

>>36830840

Yes, that one. That is the best one I've seen so far.

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>>36830870
I like this one, too. Seperating issues into more individual spectrums makes it somewhat more accurate. Not perfect, but quite nice nevertheless.

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I don't need a compass because this sums up my ideology. Just leave me the hell alone.

>>36830931
this one is kinda hard to interpret

come play cards against humanity:

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>>36830949
It gets clearer when you actually see the questions. Also, there is an explanation key at the end if needed.

http://abtirsi.com/quiz2.php

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>>36827865
See picture related.

oreganoandmayo

Not going to do political compass since its bullshit

I am a relatively hard left social democrat but I respect consequentialist libertarians including neoliberals to a certain extent. I also understand nationalism in old-world countries insofar as it its justifications are rooted in empirically verifiable logic (the value of culture, standards of living, etc.)

I agree with Marxists on a moral level but not beyond that since they rely on continual ad-hoc appendages to their ideology which basically make it unfalisifable. There's just a lot of bullshit around it too, like, can you tell me why advertising and mass media are inherently bad without coping out and resorting to unverifiable, emotion-based claims of 'alienation' and 'spectacles' and the like? Especially if peoples' overall quantifiable utility is increasing

They are also economically retarded to the point where Marxian economics is a joke in all academic economic circles

t. Masters in Economics at LSE

>>36830660
monarchy? holy fuck, don't get me wrong, all the communists itt are fucking babybrains, but MONARCHY???
jesus christ anon, just do yourself in. for the rest of us

>>36831025
authoritarianism=bad
libertarianism=good

>>36827487
Daily reminder that Bernie Sanders killed Rosa Luxemburg.

>>36831025
Democracy isn't fit to protect liberty. Allowing people who want to limit liberties to vote in people who represent them is foolish. A monarch kept in place by a constitution and a armed populace is far more fit to protect freedom. Not to mention that it has far more historical legitimacy than some commie fucks that get voted in by the mob and abuse their power to stay in charge indefinetely.

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>>36831025
>>36831121
On a second note, monarchism is by far the most aesthetic ideology.

>>36831156
Say what you will but no one has anything on the nazis fashion

>>36831008
(((academic economic circles)))

>>36830847
Only if you're in the way.

>>36826948
Somewhere between original Italian Fascism and reactionary republicanism.

>>36831121
>it's dangerous to let people have other opinions and have a chance at fairly implementing things that i don't like, so we must remove any possible platform for change
kek, nice.

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>>36831008
>masters in economics at LSE
and I have 4 PhDs: one in nuclear physics, one in pure mathematics, one in biochemistry, and another in philosophy

>>36831262
I have 5 Phds

>>36831262
Yeah but do you have one in communications?

>>36827673
>>36827301
>when you're too stupid to understand how the world works but pretend to be smart anyway

>>36831025
Would constitutional monarchy sound better to you? Because that's probably what that anon meant; no current libertarian would grow to support an absolute monarchy

>>36831291
that's how I feel about all the "both sides are bad" people

>>36827673
>>36827301
>tfw to smart too have real principles and opinions
enlightenment truly is uplifting

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honestly don't know.

I guess I want society to be more like me: frugal, ascetic, proud of society, participate at a community level, trust in local government, willing to actually work for society, not just to win the rat race. Honestly, religion appeals to me because people don't need to be "redpilled," have more money, or radically destroy social inequalities in order to be happy. They need to feel connected to their community on a local level, have enough money to survive, and feel some sort of agency. We have enough resources to build this for ourselves right now but we are culturally fucked up. I think the decline of religion in the US has something to do with this. Most of our social ills can be fixed if people feel some agency.

Creating society on a local level is the easiest solution for this, but most people don't have a framework for it. They HAVE to work for someone they don't even know in order to survive, which is the easiest way to feel lonely, isolated, and angry at your fellow man. And the rich aren't particularly happy either; they're embroiled in the rat race as well.

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>>36831236
Libertarianism doesn't work in democracy. Democracy is a hoax, it is designed to serve those in power and is nothing more than communism lite. You will never have true freedom in such a system. Besides, why should a status quo that grants the most possible freedom be able to get voted away? It is only logical to not allow changing it back to a more statist point.

>>36831179
I've got to admit, Nazis had style, but I personally prefer the whole flair of the time that predates them. I just like the very pompous attire and art, but that is just personal preference.

>>36831294

(You) are right with this assumption, I mentioned it >>36831121 here. Absolute monarchy is no better alternative to democracy. There need to be rules that the monacrh must follow and if he doesn't he must be able to be overthrown, in that way he will act in the interest of the people, since now it is in his own best interest to act like that as well.

I don't give a rats ass about politics. Politics isn't fun. Why should I invest time in it?
Humanity has done nothing for me and for all I care Hitler could take over as long if he'd mercy-kill me.

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>>36831121
>>36831351
100% agreed. The notion of pure democracy contradicts libertarian ideals, which all follow from the fundamental libertarian notion of the right to self-ownership.

>>36831342
>Creating society on a local level is the easiest solution for this
Sadly, people start to distance them more and more from this principle. Not only the Left who wants to politically integrate the whole world into one entity but also the right (especially the /pol/ types) strive for their sacred ethno nationalism nonsense, wanting to unite more and more people under one flag, completely forgetting about the small perspective. I agree with you, we should return to a more local/ regional level of politics. How in the world could one government represent tens of millions of people. The less people are in a group the better you can hear the voice of the individual.

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>>36827817
Me too buddy-o(riginal)

>>36827817
Authoritarianism is for retarded stormcucks

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>tfw i get this every single time

>>36831599
Read some basic economics friend
>inb4 "muh socialist economics"
they don't work. They're even ridiculous in theory because they don't take human nature into account

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Who here /NazBol/? It is by far the least degenerate and most redpilled ideology out there.

Also, it's high test

>>36831488
Yeah. And not only that, it helps the people as well.

The older I get the more I realize that agency is the number one thing that brings people happiness (outside of interpersonal relationships).

Doesn't matter what job you do or how much money you make if you feel like you have agency. The problem is that most people feel stripped of their agency because they don't understand what their job is doing for society (because society is too large)

I wish we could shame people who spit on the bus, but we can't. The person spitting doesn't feel any sense of agency, because they're not proud of the bus. Someone who lives thirty miles away cleans the bus, and the spitter works someplace where he sees dozens of people a day but knows none of them. And I don't feel any agency, because the person spitting isn't part of my community; I didn't grow up with them. I'll probably never see them again.

I don't believe in this weird mono-ethnic nonsense either because I don't think ethnically homogenous places are the key to this agency I'm talking about. Although it might help.

Maybe someone's written about this already.

>>36831718
you can say the same about capitalism matey !

:)

>>36831772
Your concept sounds similar to communitarian thoughts. Hoppe for example taps into this stuff, self governing communities and that like, if that's what you have in mind. It's not ethno centric per se, but nobody permits creating a ethnically homogenous community. It bases one the freedo of association and the right to deny people you don't want on your property access. It basically boils down to micronationalism, if you can call it that.

center left basically
don't fit in with crazy left
crazy right judge as well
libertarians have some slight crossover (not an-caps)
get along with most people either way and won't just dismiss their opinions/thoughts/ideas
was never good at explaining political stuff anyway

>>36831841
Hoppe "Libertarianism" is so retarded, it's like he took Libertarianism and made it white nationalist friendly

>>36831898
He also made it commie "friendly". You shouldn't complain about an ideology that actually tries to satisfy everybody. Unless you want a global revolution and force people into your ideology, you can live however you like (provided you do this in your own community where everybody has beforehands agreed on living the same way aswell) There is objectively nothing wrong with freedom of association as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others.

>Board for jobless depressed NEETs
>Most of the political compasses are socialist/economic left

Go figures

>>36831979
but /pol/ is just right wing, bitter, angry NEETs

>>36826948
Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Hoxhaist here

>>36831835
>scientists say creationism is wrong and doesn't take into account scientific facts
>"you can say the same about evolution matey !"
Socialism is a load of non-sense. Your socialistic thinkers are absolutely full of economically-flawed rubbish

>>36831979
really fires my neurons. Could it be that these people are socialist to justify their parasitism?

>>36831979
gee are you saying that people capitalism fails are more likely to complain about capitalism?

>>36832019
>/pol/
>right wing
80% of /pol/ are lefties in denial. NatSoc doesn't magically become not Socialism because people call Nazis Right wingers. Collectivism is and will always be left wing.

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Libertarian is the one I agree with most often but not on everything.

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>>36832075
What's your definition of liberty?

fgndg

>>36832123
Living without unjust restriction being placed upon you by anyone else.

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>tfw no pure centrist gf

>>36832065
Nazi's weren't socialists. Strasserist are the closest you would find and they were killed on the night of long knives.

>>36832174
Nice. Just making sure you're not one of those leftist twats who maintain libertarianism to mean a total lack of hierarchies -- no freedom in that; hierarchies are completely natural

>>36832065
You're right, they do want socialism but only for white conservatives.

And when most people say left wing or right wing, they're referring to the 1D political spectrum and not the 2D one in this thread

>>36832258
Believe me when I tell you that Nazis were socialists. I had to endure several years of history classes only regarding the third reich. Public healthcare, welfare programs, nationalizing of industry, the whole thing. Sure, they weren't outright commies, but calling them anything less than socialists is just wrong. Economically they are on par with today's socialist/ SocDem parties here.

t. Germanon

>>36832280
Exactly, that'S why I appreciate the compass, despite still being quite flawed, it becoming more known made it a lot easier to discuss this whole left/right nonsense. People should just stick to naming ideologies individually, though, that'd be the most accurate thing to do.