Why is the institution of marriage dying?

>get married, get kids, get more expenses related to said kids, buy more stuff, buy a bigger car to haul your kids, pay their tuition, spend more money on our family related products and family holidays

Fuck off jewfucks, I'll drive my 26 year old shitbox without a nagging wife and I will like it.

>>36594535
Daily reminder that biological creatures cannot multiply in hazardous and hostile environment.

>>36594535
>the divorce rate is so high because people don't wait long enough to get married
>people are waiting to get married and thats equivalent to killing the institution of marriage
Really spikes my punch bowl

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Cause women are riding the cock carousel and men have witness the horrors of divorces (mostly they live through such ordeals as a child in a broken-up family)

The current climate is pretty much fucked up, marriage is fixed zero-sum game for men, where the man always loses.

Which kinda sucks cause I want to have a wife and several children of my own.

>>36594535
>get married
>get divorced
>lose all your money and never see your kids
Gee i wonder, it is almost as if people noticed the laws havent been updated since women could work

I blame capitalism

>>36594712
>biological creatures

...i think you mean...

creatures

>>36594741
This. There's also no reason to get married. You can be with a girl and raise a family perfectly fine without the government getting involved

>>36594780
But tax write-offs. And societal pressure. You don't want to be a loser without a wife, do you?

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>>36594779
ANON I WAS TRYING TO LOOK SMART

>>36594535
It's the general loss of the sense of purpose in today's youth.
"Why would I go out when I can stay home and watch netflix/play videogames?"
Of course half the young people are single, no one bothers to socialize anymore. They either can't or won't.
You think you guys on r9k are special? There are millions like you that never found this place.
It's the general pessimism that's covered humanity like a cloud of black thought, combined with the convenience of high-speed internet and to-door deliveries of pretty much everything.
Trust me, this is a pre-war mood that's been taking over the world. It won't be long till the third one.

Because only a fool or someone deeply in love (practically the same) will enter into a contract that serves only the other side. But there always more fools.

>>36594795
>the 100$ a year tax write off vs half your shit and alimony
Hmm

>>36594828
>This generation fighting a world war

will never happen. People can't handle bants on the internet. They will not be down with a world war.

>>36594897
It's what will get them going. I think it'll take nothing short of a total war itself to make the lazy cunts move from their chairs and get moving.

>>36594780
>You can be with a girl and raise a family perfectly fine without the government getting involved
Unless you are in a shithole with common law marriage, then even that will be risky.

People are slowly starting to realize that people are becoming more shallow and will divorce someone at the slightest mistake and then completely destroy their lives, and don't want to take that risk.

Alternatively, it could just be that everyone just wants to keep sleeping around with people and not get tied down with one person.

I don't want to be with anyone because I fear we'll both get bord of each other while I just like to be alone she will be on Jamal's cock

Sluts don't want to get married and men don't want to marry sluts

>>36594535
Lawfag here. The tax advantages of marriage are slowly being whittled away by changes to the tax code (which was literally 80% of the reason to get married), a reluctance on the part of the judiciary to consider pre-nuptials and post-nuptials as little more than suggestions of intent and a mere factor of how to divvy up assets on divorce leading to men basically getting fucked and so being more reluctant to enter marriage in the first place, and women generally see careers as more important than marriage.

>>36594828
Pessimism isn't the problem, optimism is. Optimism always leads to "looking for better things" which is an euphemism for elitism. It's not called elitism aloud, but it has real impacts on low-value losers with no social safety nets. In 2017, if you're a friendless handholdless virgin loser with no skills nor irrational, genetical predisposition for high motivation, you will deterministically become a shut-in NEET, because the world offers you no other choice.

errbody is a demanding perfectionist that always thinks they could "do better"

Don't look at me, I'm getting married in 2 months

>>36594872
I'll probably wed a grill after I've spent like 10 years living with her.

>>36594908
There is not a single country in the world that doesn't remember the pain of wwii. Russia/soviet union 27 million casualties. China 20 million casualties. All of western Europe is still recovering from the moral trauma of wwii I. E. German guilt.

There are only a few countries who are unhinged enough to start world war and none of those countries can actually put up a sustained war effort due to them being shithole.

I don't want to marry unless myself and my wife have roughly equal incomes and intend to split responsibility for the kids fairly evenly after having them. This is the only way not to risk losing everything, and it's a pretty unlikely scenario

>>36594535
Only in the west anon
and that's because the women are whores
you cant expect whores to good wife's and mothers.
Whores who have been sucking cock since grade school don't make good wives or mothers

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>>36594535
>8 billion people on earth and rising

Yeah, I don;t think it's an issue.

>>36595190
Yeah but those are all Africans, Indians and Asians.

is baiting people into rageclicking the only way these retard "publications" can keep themselves relevant now?

>>36594535
Bullshit laws.
Blame whoever pushed no fault divorce and alimony.

>I'm 20 years old
>in college
>no car at the moment
>no job at the moment
>saw how my dad lost his self when my mom passed away, making him feel worthless

Yeah I'd rather just enjoy my 20's and not worry about being in a relationship or even less the thought of marriage. I believe your 20's are your self improvement years, to do as good as you possibly can do that in your 30's and 40's and even after that you can live the way you actually want... I am happy I'm at least not a virgin and have had my fair share of what it's like to be romantic with a girl, now I'm just focusing on myself. I have no need for a woman at this point right now in my life.

>>36594535
The media and government are pushing for the destruction of family

>>36595214
asians are the high IQ master race that will carry humanity to its next level though

Hell yeah. You can thank feminists for killing any and all attempts at pair bonding by men.

Fuck marriage

>>36595280
*so that in your 30's and 40's I meant. Spelling error.

>>36595269

This. Especially if you're not a Chad and you might get completely played by some roastie.

>>36594535
>bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks
that answers your question fairly eloquently I think

>>36594535
Women are too uppity and their standards are too high.

>>36595345
remove all those stupid laws and so women will need to fight hard for the providership of men. alimony and welfare are jokes. if you get pregnant of a guy that isn't fit for fatherhood, that's your problem alone, not his and specially not society's

>>36594535
Why did they have to make it a generational thing? It's not like it's my fault I'm not marriage material and it sure as fuck aint my fault most women aren't either.

>>36595395
>it's never the woman's fault guys

My wife and I are married, just not by the state. We had our own ceremony where we vowed to be together forever, and my my wife shares my last name. State approved marriage is a joke.

>>36594535
Maybe people are realizing that having sex with a ton of different people and having no responsibilites is better than being tied to one person who may or may not fuck you and having to take care of a child.

>>36594779
What about magical creatures?

Instead of asking "why not get married" ask "why get married?"

The fact that the latter is the question people ask these days is telling. Marriage no longer carries value.

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>>36594535
JOOS?
joos and sluts tea bee H

>>36594535

It's because people are not pairing up, relationships are not important, just getting the epic quick fuck and move on, and because leftists and liberals successfully made everything meaningless. That was their goal, to destroy the foundations of society.

>more than half

why am i constantly 3rd wheel then

>>36595427
Smart man. Fuck the system.

>>36595280
Get the fuck out of here god damn normalfag REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Sleeping around constantly is seen as okay in society now. In the past if you acted like a slut or a womanizer people looked down on you.

>>36595633
>relationships are not important
spoken like a true robot

Fucking millenials can they do anything right ?

What are some actual benefits of marriage? Pay a bit less in taxes if your spouse makes significantly less than you?

That's supposed to outweigh getting taken to the cleaners in divorce?

How much is more than half though, 51%?

>>36595745
no
t. millennial
also you spelt it rongly

Let it all collapse fuck yeah.

No marriage
No mortgage
Only freedom

>>36594535
Because fathers refuse to find husbands for their daughters, leaving them to turn into sluts. And they refuse to raise their sons as men, leaving them to turn either into a pussy begging PUA or a NEET.

>blames "fathers" because women break social contract and expects the perks of the old system to still be there

Lol

Lol

>>36594535
It's pretty obvious why.

>most women are used up whores that few men want
>women refuse to marry when theyre desirable so they can fuck around
>men have zero ways to ensure that their women stay desirable and productive during marriage
>divorce rape is common, leading to you losing your property and money
>women can take your kids and you'll never see them
>you'll pay for then to fuck bother kids through alimony and child support
>even if a woman cheats on you, she can still be rewarded for it by doing all of the above

In short, there is ZERO appeal for a man to get married. We have no benefit and no power on the situation , all so we can pretend that we have exclusive access to a depreciating asset. Only a moron would get married anymore.

>chad/stacey can get all the sex they want via apps. there's always someone better just a swipe away.
>jobs suck now so we're too poor to afford a home and raise a family

>>36595714
>relationships are important
>every single one fails and vast majority of people cheat on each other

Yeah, spoken like a true normie.

>>36596023
There is no social contract for them to break when their fathers don't even tell them about it. How many teenage girls today have been told by their parents that they need to stay a virgin and get married and have children, compared to 60 years ago?

>>36595412
I'm a dude. The fuck are you on about? As a guy I'm not marriage material. Most people are not. It's plain economics. Look at the average income and what a female wants a man to have as average and the majority of men that exist are already not considered marriage material. That's even before looks or anything else like personality is taken into account.

>>36595114
Actually, you'd get married to her much, much earlier (and against your will):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage

Unless you live in a shithole, of course. Most countries have some similar law.

>>36595942
>it's always men's fault

Retard traditional conservative or feminist shill?

>>36596267
Yes it is men's fault. Women do what men allow them to do. If men did not allow them to act so horribly they wouldn't. Stop being a little bitch.

>>36596151
Look at how unhealthy you are. Can you honestly say that relationships are not important?

They're just a terrible business decision for males and right now they might also have costs that are not offset by the gains (unless you're Chad).

I mean, I agree that relationships with women are not worth it, but that doesn't make them any less important. And they're important both at a personal level and at a societal level.

>>36596330
>at a societal level

not any more if people are choosing to opt out.

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>>36595235
>rageclicking

The risk and consequences of divorce are too great.

>>36596369
People are choosing to opt out at a huge cost.

Marriage no longer being a thing means all these single-mom children being brought up to become criminals and failures. This is IMPORTANT.

>>36596455

Fuck yeah let it collapse. The only people that care are the wealthy capitalists.

Time to lie in the bed of shit.

>>36596455
You'll never convince men to get with all those single moms. There is zero benefit.

Shit needs to collapse. It's unfortunate but necessary so we can learn from mistakes.

Feels good being the test dummy generation of superior gentlemen.

>>36596321
Ok, you're both. Opinion discarded.

Enjoy getting tricked and divorce raped after controlling your woman fails miserably.

>>36594739
Nice Cirno-tan

>>36596455
at a huge cost.
Let the savages have it.
The reason men work for civilization is to get a permanent pussy they own. Not to get cucked to allow her freedoms to fuck another and still get the ex's money.

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GEE I DUNNO.

OC

>>36595293
The ant people? Yeah real bright future there

I guess you can put it that way.

Hey I always thought it was about being special for each other.

But if it's just going to be reduced to sex then there's no point to be a father or provider (yuck that word) since it's just going to be a pump and dump.

Feminists don't know the golden goose they strangled, dumb bitches they are.

>>36596499
Not really.

Wealthy capitalists can afford private security.

You can't.

You're the one who's going to lie in the bed of shit.

Not that it matters. Very few changes will incur severe problems in less than 50 years, which hopefully will be enough for all of us to be dead, and we're obviously not having any children, so we have no reason to care for the future.

I personally don't. That doesn't make marriage any less important, though.

>>36596641
Apparently you think women are equal to men and have agency of their own. You're the feminist.

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>>36594712
but most things on this planet live and breed under constant threat of death

>>36596815

>I'll just pay people to make the world around me less shit

For a capitalist you're pretty retarded.

http://www.ddorn.net/papers/Autor-Dorn-Hanson-MarriageMarket.pdf

Job opportunities for young Western men in the manufacturing/blue collar/non-college sectors have been declining sharply since the late '70s. Traditionally these were sectors that offered a decent, stable income for the average man, allowing him to form a household as breadwinner. Job opportunities are now instead going disproportionately to a minority of more high-paying, high-education sectors. Not only does this reduce the total quantity of "marriageable" men likely to form a household, but many of these more educated men are betas/less attractive to women. Another factor obviously compounding this is women's "liberation", specifically the huge increase in working women making them less dependent on male breadwinners (and also competitors to men in the labor market). Ignore any kike that tells you these changes are purely cultural. The root problem is economic.

>>36596858
Yep.

He had it backwards, actually. Life reproduces less when the environment is more stable, they also start living longe (some jellyfishes live forever because their environment is stable, then there's trees, etc).

If things are going to shit you need to have 20 children asap so that at least a few of them will live. This is why africans are like cockroaches.

>>36596901

Don't forget the inflated real estate.

That beast is NOT coming down.

>>36594535
Because noone wants to be tied to someone else
Neither do I

>>36596829
Wow, you threw what I said back at me, how clever.

>>36596901
That has it backward, imo. Why make breadwinner efforts when there is no women to keep by it? And I am not working my ass off just to buy all the shitty trash media tells me is are a 'Must have'

Actually I have a quick and easy solution.

It'll cost money but it can work.

Build small town house neighborhoods for single men and women that sell at a fixed and reduced cost. Subsidized housing.

Maybe once most of our generation has a place to call their own, we'll start breeding.

I bet even less than 50% of millennials own property.

>>36597138
You're a loser. Good job letting women control you like a little dog. Sad!

>>36597183
Unfortunately, in America, it is illegal to discriminate who is allowed housing based on marital status.

>>36596233
Did you even read that article? There are only ten common law marriage states in the US, probably only BC in Canada and, as far as I can tell, none in Europe. Unless you somehow think most of the Western world is a shithole?

>>36595293
Sorry to disappoint, but all the high-IQ asians are busy killing their genetic lines right now. The ones reproducing are the ones who make your clothes and electronic devices.

>>36597270

That's fine, it wasn't going to happen. That is a socialist idea to build such neighborhoods.

There's still the generation after millennials and the incoming generation to build families.

Millennials are the test dummy generation. Other than that honestly everything will be okay.

>>36597181
Breadwinner jobs don't just magically appear based on demand for/will to do them, they appear or disappear based on structural economic trends. There are no women to keep because these trends have greatly disadvantaged the role of traditional male breadwinner, making men in general much less "marriageable" to women.

>>36597289
They have different names in other countries, but any place with even moderate feminist activity has something.

The rules also change a lot from place to place, but it's always some sort of automatic-marrying to prevent "evil men" from "taking advantage of poor women by pretending they like them just to fuck them".

>>36597541
Most states have something like that for tax purposes, sure, but only those few go as far as to allow divorces and the splitting of assets. I assumed that was your objection.

>>36597331

We don't have any shortages of high iq bloodlines.

>>36594535
BECAUSE OF NO-FAULT DIVORCES AND FEMINISTS

FUCKING HELL PEOPLE JUST CAN'T SEE IT

>>36594535
It's not, degenerates and their heresy will always try to corrupt everything, they do fool some people but they don't fool everybody.

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Because the Jews have set out to destroy traditional marriage through the courts and finish it off with the support of gays. You'd actually have to be retarded to get married in this day and age.

Most marriages end in divorce, if you have kids, you're most likely not going to see them again. You're going to lose half your shit. The odds are CLEARLY stacked against men and it's done completely on purpose.

>>36594780
Are you retarded? If you're with a girl and having kids with her, you have every vulnerability that a married man has except alimony, (which is usually peanuts next to child support) and you have far, far fewer rights concerning the children.

I'm guessing because people are poor? It's fucking horrible to be single and make over 100k per year. The taxes rape me so bad i'm thinking about a loveless marriage to circumvent this

>>36597909

How bad do you get wrecked?

60k net pay after taxes ?

You get $2,500 biweekly

Everyone is either poor as shit or in debt, why would they want to deal with marriage and having a house or raising children when they can barely afford to live as is? This isn't only happening in the US, either.

>>36597909
It must really suck having so much more money than you need, I feel really bad for you honestly.

>>36597944
I'm self employed so on top of my business expenses I bring in about 50k profit. It probably sounds like a lot but i work about 70hr weeks since i can't scale up to employees outside of contractors.

>>36597989
I'd prefer it not sucked out of my asshole by the gov just because i didn't marry and i'm not working for someone else...

>>36597989

He probably gets destroyed by taxes though.

And works his ass off for it

>>36598012

That's still very good, you make your own hours.

>>36598044
Thanks man, i do love my job (game dev) despite the low points

>>36594712
Actually it's the exact opposite. See, Africa.

>You've done it again, millennials.
That's right, it's all the millennials fault that they grew up watching what happens when people rush into the marriage or watching how easy it is to have your life utterly fucked over because of a messy divorce.

>>36598347
It's just more convenient this way. Then they don't have to address what a disaster feminism and the sexual revolution have been.

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>divorce statistics are misleading. The statistics take into account all marriages across all incomes, races, ages and religions and takes into consideration repeat marriages. Divorce among middle class, white suburbanite couples in their mid to late 20's is far less common than you think
>alimony is rare. Only occuring in 10% of divorces. And it always takes into consideration life circumstances. No one can ever be "ruined" by alimony. Lifelong alimony is basically unheard of. Child support is similar. The financial risks of marriage are negligable
>The cost of housing is expensive IN THE CITY. It isn't to hard to move out of the city and find an affordable home
>people live as though they will live forever. Focusing on their careers, finances, or shallow trends like "travel" thinking it will bring them long term existential happiness. They believed the lie of hedonism and rejected the age old life goal of having a large family

There is no reason to not get married.
If you are having trouble meeting a partner, then I feel for you.
But if you are just yet another video game playing, porn watching, shallow, hedonistic creten like every other single man and woman in this generation, then I won't be feeling sorry for you when you are in your 50's, you are old and used up, and the existential angst is about to hit you harder than anything you have ever felt in your life.

Stop pissing around and have a large family.

>>36594684
>not having kids
>Fuck off jewfucks
you're helping the jews actually
you'll realize in the future when the world gets populated by niggers, chinks and mudslims who reproduce 5 times faster than whites

>>36598845
Sources needed.

Inb4 blogs and far right propoganda outlets.

>>36598845

The tax break isn't that much really, and other than that there are no advantages to marriage. I get nothing from it so I"m not going to do it. Maybe if they made it worthwhile, or at least made it so it won't cause so much damage I'd consider it. I've been with my girl for almost 6 years now and it's great. If we were married for 6 years it would be shit because she could divorce me and take half my shit. This way if she decides to leave she leaves with what she came in with, which is pretty much nothing.

>>36598845
>having a large family
>bringing many people into the world to suffer

why are alt-right normies so evil

who the fuck wants a nagging whore on their back and a couple of shitty kids sucking money from them?

>>36594804
You where smart, there such things as creatures that aren't born by biology, ie robots.

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>>36598845
>No one can ever be "ruined" by alimony.

>>36599063

When you divorce, your partner doesn't automatically get half your shit. There is a lengthy process that determines who gets what. They even created things like prenups to reduce the risk of marriage to a minimum.

But thats not the point, is it. You spelt out why you aren't getting married in the first part of the post. People in your geberation have been trained to evaluate everything in terms of cost and return. What was once a rite of passage has now been reduced to another business deal in your heads. Anything that doesn't bring you short term rewards is discarded, and you are a neutered, weak generation.

Look at people who came here from africa or the middle east. Or even westerners 50 years ago. They more or less face the same risks you do, but they get married anyway, because it is just an important life event. Not some little optional frivolity.

That is why those cultures will dominate in the coming century. Because they are so family oriented. Family leads to strong people, and a happy nation

>>36599361
Courts can throw prenups out lol.

>>36598845

I'm white, there's no way for me to get a gf or have kids. White men are not attractive or wanted.

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>>36594535
What incentive do I have to get married? What would be the purpose?

It's everything a normal relationship is, except if you want to break up, you have to go through a bunch of legal shit and the state and the woman get a bunch of your possessions.

So tell me, why get married? What is the incentive?

>>36598951
This pretty much. Its a shame our governments are so avid about importing migrants to preserve the labour force rather than letting greater automation reduce the necessity of it whilst maintaining our demographics. I have nothing against Asians, blacks, Muslims etc. though they will easily outproduce us and outnumber us within our own country at the current rate (especially since Muslims largely disregard women's rights and blacks have a culture based around fertility and miscegenation, Asians less so though there are an enormous amount of them already).

>>36599361

The whole reasons africans come here is because of money, they stand to gain from divorce. You can't compare a person from a third world shithole hitting the jackpot through divorce to me losing half my shit through divorce. The risks faced are not even close to the same. Prenups are thrown out with no reason given all the time. Why chance it when you can just not marry, get all the same benefits(none), but face none of the risks?

Even if it doesn't cause me to lose anything, court isn't free. I'd have to miss time at work or fucking around my house, pay lawyer, pay court fees, etc.. And all for no short term or long term benefit. You want a rite of passage go out and kill something, build something, or sell something. These things are fun and rewarding.

It's possible to be family oriented without being a feminist numale cuck that willingly lays his balls on the chopping block. I do wonder why the lesser cultures aren't already dominating if they're so family oriented though. Maybe crime and STD rate doesn't translate to economic or military might the way you think it does.

>>36594535
Nofault divorce, women working, "domestic violence", and above all: massive media/eudcational shilling.

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>>36598845
>>The cost of housing is expensive IN THE CITY. It isn't to hard to move out of the city and find an affordable home

Yeah you'll just have to live in some unlivable shithole untill you go nuts and stab up a few people or do heroin to numb the pain

>>36598999

>won't accept far right sources
>had his opinions about marrriage formed by far left sources i.e. the media

>>36599228

>All life is suffering

spouting this postmodern, pessimistic philosophy doesn't make you special or unique. Quite the opposite. It seems to be the defining trait of this shitty generation. Drop that "intellectual" pessimism and you would be happier.

>>36599395

Not if its drafted in the presence of lawyers.
They can only throw it out if it violates the law

>why should I get married?
>95% of the people in this thread are 24 year old white male virgins

It's not like you have a choice either way you bitter faggot losers.

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>>36599361
>prenup
>think courts give a flying fuck about prenups

>>36598845
>It isn't to hard to move out of the city and find an affordable home
>I have no idea what the housing market is like
Housing is in a massive bubble right now, home prices are way higher than they were in 08. Suburbs are insane and if you want to go rural you'll be cranking your commute up to at least an hour each way

>>36599618

The city is what's miserable. I had an apartment for two years and hated every second of it. Being able to bike to work is nice but it's just not worth it. I left 3 months before the lease was up to move into a trailer. I don't even care it's 3 months wasted rent, the city is a sick place. Now my neighbors are cows on one side and trees on the other 3. I wouldn't have it any other way, except maybe trading the cows for more trees.

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I can't even imagine myself in a relationship at that point. It seems to alien to me.
I don't know what's going to happen once I'm old. I wonder what I'll be like when I reach my fourties and I'm still bitter and alone. Probably pic related.

>>36599623
>>All life is suffering
Quantitatively speaking, it is
I've had many, many more painful moments in my life than happy moments. It's barely an 80/20 spread.

>>36594535
>>cultural Marxism
>>abortion is legal
>>contraception pills
>>condoms
>>secular society promoting hedonism
Really makes ya think

>>36594535
Women are unabashed whores now.

>>36599678
We're all better off this way you breedcuck

>>36599678
try 18 year old babies.

>>36599538

The truth is, there is no incentive.

In the past, it would have been because you wanted to raise kids and have a family, continue on your genetic and cultural legacy, and live a Godly life.

But years of pornography, anti-marriage media and hormone altering diets and birth control has killed this generation's maternal and paternal instincts. Modern day westerners are too self loathing and pessimistic to be in touch with their culture and history. And finally, modern day people are atheistic, nihilistic and only care about short term worldly pleasure.

The millenial is a neutured, miserable creature who doesn't get anything out of marriage that people in the past did

>>36594712
It's the flip of that anon. Africa and China are proof of this.

The more stable and safe the less breeding occurs

This is do to longer living creatures

Issue is you still long for a meme that isn't their so it hurts a lot more for you to live

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>>36598698
Hmm...
Really incites those astrocytes.

>>36594535
>You've done it again, millennials
I'm honestly impressed at their baiting skills

>>36594795
You Jew divorce lawyers sure do hate this news huh.

>>36599539

Africans, hispanics and muslims live in traditional catholic and islamic cultures, which are extremely pro family. That is why they are doing so well.

Up until about 30 years ago, asians lived in confucian based cultures.
And confucianism is a philosophy that is centered around family.
That is why they are doing so well.

What do westerners have? The miserable, pessimistic, self loathing anti family culture you can see in this thread.

I absolutely support immigration control. Every country has a right to maintain demographic integrity. But how long can you hold off when your birthrates are ao low, and everyone elses are so high?

If you support immigration control, you need to support pro family ideology. That just comes with it.

Start breeding. Continue your legacy.

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>>36599618
>>36599808
You both are coming from different walks of life. My wife and I love the city and we could be happy living in a hole in the wall as long as it was near all the sites and sounds. My brother and his girl on the other hand hate anything that isn't rural land and find they recharge better when they are far away from the city lights and sounds.
Neither way is right it's just a matter of finding what's right for you.

>>36598845
Neck yourself, breeder.

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>Marrying in a gynocentric society.

>>36599992

tfw you know that when you're 90 years old, a vast majority of the world will be populated by people who were born into deeply religious families, because only deeply religious people have something in their lives that counteracts all the porn-loving, anti-marriage, nihilistic, pessimistic, selfish tendencies of society.

tfw you know that religion can only get bigger and stronger over time because of the behavior of non-religious people.

tfw even your own wife says that the main reason she never wanted kids was because she's too pessimistic about the future of the world -- and both you and your wife are intelligent, responsible, college-educated professionals who probably would have been in the top 5 percentile of excellent parents.

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>>36600079
Is that supposed to be an oxymoron? The PRC's fertility rate is far below the replacement rate, East Asians in general have birth-rates akin to the west (with the exception of those in predominantly Muslim countries). Heck, the PRC, alongside many other Asian countries such as Japan, South Korea and Thailand is expected to enter population decline before 2050. This largely results as an after-effect of the Family Planning Policy and decades of female infanticide, leading to a case where young males vastly outnumber their female counterparts who are more career oriented to boot. Africa on the other-hand needs no explanation. And for the record low birthrates can be held off through greater automation and advanced in technology, though I do agree with your point on immigration control and westerners to a large extent - its pretty pathetic to see hundreds of cultures now homogenized into a pack of self-loathing Americanized defects, not that such isn't inevitable though there could be at least a greater sense of self among westerners in general.

>>36599539

>I have nothing against muslims

You should really rethink that one

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>>36600306
China was a huge birth spike in the 70s and 80s when things were going worse not better, if anything it's simple, life gets better, birth rate declines.

Because it's retarded, unethical shit, by law and by culture.

>>36599228
Because if you have a large family you'll have support

If all of us on this board had 3-4 brothers and non-absent fathers to fight on our side against the hardships of life, how many of us would have HONESTLY become robots?

>tfw married with a son, living mortgage free in a small country town.

Suburbancuck manchildren will never know this glorious, comfy feel.

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>>36600396
Planning on having more children, anon?

>>36600424

Nope. Too many complications having this one, spent way too much time in hospital and our obstetrician advised against it. I'm happy with my little guy.

>>36594535
millenials?

im more worried about how even the oldest people of gen z are swearing off sex and relationships in general and never want kids

were fucking doomed

>>36600386
I have to agree to this. Even looking at mass shooters all of them came from broken homes and many had little or no masculine figures in their lives.
Trump had a hardworking father and thee brothers
Rodgers had a finicky mother, constantly absent father figures and a single sister
Im not saying that's every story but it goes to show the impact of having a stable family nucleus helps boys become men.

>>36600456
Glad you are, hope its going well for you anon. Best of luck and stuff.

>>36594734
Our grandparents could marry at 22 and stuck together
The problem isn't not waiting; the problem is female entitlement.

>>36600522

Thanks man. Same to you. Try not to let this place get you down.

>>36600559

People still marry in their twenties. Stop blaming women because they aren't interested in marrying you.

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>>36594535
Is it bad that i want to be alive for the downfall of american society?
I just wonder what it would be like, how would normies react?
Where would we go?
Canada?

>>36600559
The problem is the meme are gone. Before you only had your peers in your work and neighborhood to gauge what life should be. Now with the internet it's what ever you want it to be because now you can just find a mass of people that will tell you what you want to hear.

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>>36600744
>I just wonder what it would be like, how would normies react?
Either what happen to the Soviet Union or what is happening in Japan.

>Where would we go?
>Canada?
Canada is on a highway of hell as it stands. They are enforcing SJW gender pronoun rules in school and have shamed a professor for going against it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMSmUzDt-7U
fun fact a girl was rape the night before near the university. Protestors didn't care about that shit but they were ready to go full ape because one professor won't use their preferred gender pronoun.

like i give a fuck lmao, im not going to bring a child into this world thats one and two even if i did im fucking dumb so i cant provide for a family

its not like it matters once you die so why care at all, let the jews win

>>36600786
>Before you only had your peers in your work and neighborhood to gauge what life should be.

Holy fuck you really are a clueless piece of shit. How do you get this condescending and arrogant?

>>36600559
the problem is divorce was a social death sentence for them, but now being on your second or third marriage is no big deal.

>>36600905
I'm not sure what I posted that echoed that. I'm not saying that was better but that was what kept the "American dream" going was the idea you had to get married you had to have kids, a nice house and a car.
When everyone buys into it it makes it look like that's just what you are suppose to do. When the internet became mainstream that guy that was the only single person in his office could come to the internet and post his frustrations to discover that he wasn't alone and even see all the bad behind the curtain shit that happens with marriage and couples. Hell that's the bedrock of the woman hate threads here are links and posts to where everything went wrong. These things were not as easy to find in say 1975, it was basically dependent on your neighbors and community how you saw what marriage and home life was.

>>36600948
I think both extremes are bad. Miserable people staying together out of fear of what it would do to their job isn't much better than being a leaf in the wind going from spouse to spouse.

I 100% want to get married, but not until I'm 28 or 29. I don't understand why people scream "MARRIAGE IS DYING" just because people are taking their time now.

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>>36601130
it's click bait.

Culture deal, it's what happens when marxism seeps in.
Gonna move to a rural community, like really rural, closest town 100 miles away, get a job and marry my boss's daughter and inherit the business. Why? Because fuck you

>>36600559
This so much. Civilization is fucking dying because every woman now thinks she's entitled to Chad. Regular, hardworking men are checking out because they see the game no longer works to their advantage.

>>36600893
what the fuck is wrong with leaf country? Is it because they are an irrelevant country so they have to go full troubled teen for attention?

>this cuck going about muh family over and over

sound like my fucking mom. Her family has fucked her over her entire life. Being about muh family gets you nowhere. Fuck family.

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>muh millemnumnomlals
>everyone born after a certain point in time must be stupid and ruining everything because fuck logic
t. (((Bloomberg)))

>>36594535
I don't know and quite frankly I don't care. It's nobody's fault, but I'm so starved of affection and sexual contact that seeing an attractive woman actually makes me jaw clench my involuntarily.

I hope they're lonely as I've felt my whoke life and I hope it breaks them and all of their dreams are naught but spittle from their chin

>>36601627
its actually how it works buddy

Maybe that those kids grew up in dysfunctional homes, possibly divorce or other things. Also it takes awhile to get your career going for both sexes so that eats up many years.

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>>36601627
welcome to humanity for the last million years my friend

>>36600203
>>36599539
>>36598951
Legacies are irrelevant in the modern day.

My line will die with me. I personally do not care in immigrants will take over whites.

>>36601634
Women are never lonely silly you virgin

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Shortsighted, greedy kikes didn't realize that saddling an entire generation with colossal student loan debt and not enough jobs capable of paying it off means less home loans, less car loans and less future taxpayers (children)

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>>36594535
>da fuggen milleddials are gilling _______ :DDDDD

>>36594795
> You don't want to be a loser without a wife, do you?

Did you forget where you are? I am already a loser. So I'll become more of a loser? Oh no, can't have that happen!

Why would you get married when its socially acceptable to live together and have sex without doing so?

Nobody but hardcore religious fundamentalists will judge you for it and those people don't have any power anymore except in places like Wyoming.

Not to mention most divorce courts will always favor the female, its a big risk. I'd say get a vasectomy before getting married and let her know that you won't risk being tied down financially to her.

>>36601738
It's irrelevant anyway. They'll just forcefeed those countries more migrants and print more money.

>>36601773

>people only capable of doing unskilled/low-skilled labor will be valuable citizens in an age where automation makes more and more unskilled/low-skilled jobs obsolete
I'm sure this won't backfire on you, Mr. Schlomobergstein

>>36601823
They can still make money in the meantime off of general increased demand. Full automation isn't happening yet. When it does eventually happen, the elite will just commit mass genocide.

>>36598845
>>36599623
>have a large family
hate kids
like money
like free time

>won't accept far right sources
Doesn't give sources at all

>accepts left media
I don't, I've actually spent a lot of time thinking about this, and, shocking, I know, I formulated a different opinion.

>life is suffering
I'm not doing to explain Buddhism, which I don't believe the anon was referencing anyway.

>>36594535
Boomers started this shit. The rest of us have just had to struggle to deal with the mess.
Some day, the truth will be admitted: that the boomers were the worst generation in the history of mankind.

>>36602119
As soon as they are all dead. We will work quickly to pass the blame onto them.

>>36600559
This. Feminism has reinstituted the old practice of the harem for the 10/10s at the top, working men are stuck with the dregs at the very bottom if anyone at all

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>>36594535
>that headline
Times are a'changin', gramps.

https://qz.com/967785/more-people-than-ever-before-are-single-and-thats-a-good-thing/
>In fact, people who live alone are often the life of their cities and towns. They tend to participate in more civic groups and public events, enroll in more art and music classes, and go out to dinner more often than people who live with others. Single people, regardless of whether they live alone or with others, also volunteer more for social service organizations, educational groups, hospitals and organizations devoted to the arts than people who are married.